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Witchcraft - Creative CommonsA dramatic spiritual paradigm shift is taking place in the western world. At the end of last week, I discussed the fact that more Americans than ever before appear to be turning away from the Christian faith, and this is particularly true among our young people. And while it is undeniable that atheism and agnosticism are both growing rapidly, it is also important to point out that other faiths are on the rise in the western world at the exact same time that Christianity is shrinking. If you are a Christian, what you are about to read should concern you greatly.

Let’s start with witchcraft. It has been estimated that Wicca (one very popular form of witchcraft) is now the fastest growing faith in America. Books and movies featuring Harry Potter and others that use “magic” for good have fueled a tremendous amount of interest in the dark arts these days. Just consider the following excerpt from a Salon article that was published earlier this month…

Stores specializing in metaphysical sundries (think ritual candles, blended oils, sacred herbs) like Spellbound Sky and House of Intuition in Los Angeles, while not brand-new, are suddenly crowded. In Brooklyn, Witches of Bushwick has evolved from a venue on the underground party circuit to a social collective that celebrates witchcraft as a feminist art and collaborates with fashion companies like Chromat. Of course, for those who prefer whipping up potions at home, several new witch- and occult-themed subscription boxes deliver the magical arts to the doorstep.

And social media has enabled young people interested in magic to connect with one another in a way that we have never seen before. Here is more from Salon

Check social media: A search for #witch on Instagram yields about 2,375,000 posts — whereas one for #kardashian scores only 1,630,000. Search next time at a boutique: Tarot decks are coming back in high style, thanks to retailers like the Wild Unknown — its artful cards are in stores across the country, from upscale meccas like ABC Home in New York City to indie hot spots like Skylark in Venice Beach, California. K-Hole was right, “mysticore” is the new norm.

Yes, there are still many more Christians than witches in America.

But the ranks of those that are into the occult are growing very quickly – especially among our young people – and in many churches on Sunday morning you will be fortunate to find even a handful of young adults.

Meanwhile, Islam is on the rise in the western world as well. Much of this is due to immigration, and new mosques are springing up all over the United States and Europe.

As Islam gains ground, there has been a concerted effort in some quarters to bring Christianity and Islam together. This movement has become known as “Chrislam”, and in recent years we have seen some things that many of us never imagined that we would ever see in the Christian world.

For example, earlier this year the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church USA was opened with a prayer offered to Allah

“Allah bless us and bless our families and bless our Lord. Lead us on the straight path – the path of all prophets: Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad.”

These were the words that rang out over the congregation at The General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church, USA meeting in Portland, Oregon. Wajidi Said, co-founder of the Muslim Education Trust, led the attendees in the prayer to the Islamic deity, a move arranged by the Ecumenical and Interfaith ministry staff at the assembly.

The prayer was part of the “first order of business” during the meeting’s opening session, a time dedicated to praying for those affected by the Orlando shooting that occurred just weeks before.

And of course the Presbyterian Church USA is far from alone. As I have documented, Pope Francis has stated that Christians and Muslims both “worship the one God”, and in 2014 he authorized Islamic prayers and readings from the Quran at the Vatican for the first time ever.

But despite such efforts to “bring Christians and Muslims together”, the truth is that Islamic terrorists continue to slaughter Christians on a continual basis all over the planet. The most recent attack on a church took place in Indonesia on Sunday

An ISIS suicide bomber today attacked a Catholic priest with an axe as he tried to blow up hundreds of worshippers at a church during Sunday Mass.

Priest Albert Pandiangan, 60, was holding the holy ceremony at the altar when the 18-year-old fanatic rushed towards him with a backpack bomb and tried to blow himself up.

But the bomb burned without setting off the explosives, so the jihadi pulled an axe from his bag and slashed the priest’s arm at St Yoseph Church in Medan, the capital of North Sumatra in Indonesia.

So far there have been well over 1000 Islamic terror attacks in 2016, and ISIS appears to have a renewed emphasis on attacking churches and Christians wherever they can find them.

Without a doubt, we are also witnessing a huge increase in the number of atheists and agnostics in the western world. Europe is much farther along than the United States is in this regard, and many areas of the continent are rightly regarded to be “post-Christian” at this point.

In the UK, the Christian faith has declined so dramatically that now we are seeing the rise of “humanist chaplains” that don’t hold to any sort of faith at all

With participation in traditional faiths at near-record lows, Britain is seeing the rise of humanist chaplains providing “pastoral” support for the non-religious.

Last month the University of Westminster in London broke new ground by appointing its first official secular advisor for students.

The move followed efforts by the British Humanist Association since 2014 to train more than 100 volunteers to go into schools, hospitals and prisons in order to provide support for those who don’t believe in a deity.

Fortunately, things are much different in much of the rest of the world. In fact, the Christian faith is currently experiencing explosive growth in China, India, South America and many portions of Africa.

But in the United States and Europe people are leaving the faith of their forefathers in astounding numbers, and that spiritual void is often being filled by other faiths such as witchcraft and Islam.

So what does this mean for the future of our society?

Please feel free to share what you think by posting a comment below…

  • im4truth4all

    2 Timothy 4

    3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings,

    4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths.

    • TheLulzWarrior

      5 Those who believes that Wiccan is for real are terribly foolish.

    • Gay Veteran

      ah yes, the first post and it parrots the bible

      • Nick_McAvelly

        Given the subject of the article … what’s your point?

        • Gay Veteran

          sorry you missed it

          • Nick_McAvelly

            That would be a false assumption.

          • Gay Veteran

            no

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Yes

      • RageHard84

        However, this post relates to the article and is happening in our society right now.

        • Gay Veteran

          what, couldn’t put it in your own words?

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Given the subject of the article … what’s your point?

          • Gay Veteran

            point being to think for yourself instead of parroting bible verses

          • Defendthebillofrights

            and being gay the last thing you’d want to hear about or even see is a Holy Bible.
            The really great thing about Christianity is one is taught to condemn the sin never the sinner. All are redeemable.
            Islam on the other hand likes to fly homosexuals out the window of the eleventh floor.
            Once Christianity goes you are toast.

          • Johnny

            As if life is so sacred to them, they only want to kill homosexuals because they want to make sure their wives have babies so they can take over the world

          • Defendthebillofrights

            They only want to teach them to fly, it’s not their fault that they don’t land well.
            Seriously the big picture is the battle between good and evil and people do have a choice. Like it or not time is running out for this world and it doesn’t take a genius to see that.

          • Gay Veteran

            your bible was used by slave owners to justify slavery, so spare me your remarks about gays

          • George

            “As knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the
            unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for man slayers, for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals,
            for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine; according to the Good News of the glory of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.” I Timothy 1:9-11 WEB

            According to the Bible, I don’t see how slave owners could justify slavery.

          • GV

            why, the verses you quoted say nothing about slave OWNERS

          • George

            World English Bible translates as slave traders is translated in King James as menstealers. Following contains an explanation.

            http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_timothy/1-10.htm

            For menstealers – The word here used – ἀνδρᾶποδιστής andrapodistēs – occurs nowhere else in the New Testament. It properly means one who steals another for the purpose of making him a slave – a kidnapper. This is the common way in which people are made slaves. Some, indeed, are taken in war and sold as slaves, but the mass of those who have been reduced to servitude have become slaves by being kidnapped. Children are stolen from their parents, or wives from their husbands, or husbands from their wives, or parents from their children, or whole families are stolen together. None become slaves voluntarily, and consequently the whole process of making slaves partakes of the nature of theft of the worst kind. What theft is like that of stealing a man’s children, or his wife, or his father or mother? The guilt of manstealing is incurred essentially by those who purchase those who are thus stolen – as the purchaser of a stolen horse, knowing it to be so, participates in the crime. A measure of that criminality also adheres to all who own slaves, and who thus maintain the system – for it is a system known to have been originated by theft. This crime was expressly forbidden by the law of God, and was made punishable with death; Exodus 21:16; Deuteronomy 24:7.

          • Defendthebillofrights

            650,000 men died in a war to free slaves and they are repaid for that by betrayal on the part of those they freed. I’d say there is a debt to American society that has never been paid with anything but DISRESPECT.
            I also think you are a sad example of broken families and the loss of God in the home. You have allowed yourself to be deceived, have done things that men of honor would NEVER have done and do not respect yourself let alone God or anyone or thing.
            Now this it the last time I correspond with the likes of you. Your undoubted reply will be IGNORED.

          • GV

            hmmmm, tell you what, you self-righteous prig, go F yourself with a rusty chainsaw

          • Charles T Lawson

            WOW, we have got the foul mouthed verbal diorhea on here today . There is no way that would have come from a staright person ?

          • Defendthebillofrights

            Truth Hurts! So do you when you spread your mental illness through- out society causing additional pain, and shame to those you lead into homosexuality. I hope someday your eyes are opened as to what you have done, and what has been done to you.
            Why is it people such as yourself, who know they are in the wrong, always take so long to reply?
            I’d say the answer to that is you know you are wrong, but the anger, and hate over days, just won’t let you accept you could be wrong, and so lack of character demands you retaliation to justify yourself and you feel better. Go play with your pee pee little boy.
            Since you cannot converse without injecting the disgusting verbiage I will not reply.

          • IsabellaSpeaking

            Gay Veteran, The Christian Bible was WRONGLY used to justify slavery. It has also been wrongly used to claim a lot of things — many about homosexuality. Jesus clearly stated to “do unto others as you would have them do to you”. There is absolutely no denying that fact and those who do not understand why there is a difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament (especially with those very words of Jesus) should not be considered experts on the Bible. Anyone can lie about anything and your complaint is only with those who have lied to you about the Bible. The truth is: Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, John Brown, the Grimke Sisters, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Henry Ward Beecher, William Wilberforce, Abraham Lincoln and more! all claimed to be inspired by that very Bible to END slavery. Your problem is not with the Bible, nor the writer of the Bible. Your problem is with the many people who have lied to you about it over the years.

          • GV

            and yet look how easy it was for people to “wrongly” use the bible for their purposes

          • IsabellaSpeaking

            Lying is easy. For every one truth, there can be an infinite amount of lies.

          • warriorbride

            you have to understand that the catholic church took the jewish writing of the TORAH and rest of the OT and the NT and changed it to LATIN and then it was changed to GREEK so it was changed about 6 TIMES in all but the bible was GOD BREATHED through man and they were the ones that changed it, so don’t blame GOD for their changes or how they follow the bible or what they did with it, for they did their OWN WILL AND WAY NOT the will of GOD or JESUS CHRIST be blessed and Shalom

          • warriorbride

            JUST BECAUSE it was used WRONGLY doesn’t mean that what they did was RIGHT or that you can JUDGE everyone who follows it as the SAME ?

          • Gay Veteran

            I see you missed the point.
            They easily were able to “misuse” it

          • karolekay

            The odds against you or anyone else actually having an original thought are astronomical. You think you’re “thinking for yourself,” but in reality, you’re just thinking or saying something you’ve heard someone else say. Those of us who believe the Bible and know it well enough to quote relevant verses know Who our thoughts come from. Do you?

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, “think for yourself” means to evaluate what you see and hear without relying on authority

          • karolekay

            To honestly “think for yourself” you need all the facts which you don’t have because you reject the truths found in God’s word. You think you’re so smart, but you are actually working on an elementary level of knowledge.

          • Gay Veteran

            ROFLOL, you mean the “truth” written by men

          • karolekay

            Actually, no. It was written down by men, but it was given to them by God. You owe it to yourself to honestly study the validity of Scripture. There are many scholarly books out there on apologetics. FYI, the Bible is the only religious book that includes prophecy, and over a quarter of verses are prophetic. Many have been fulfilled, (103 individual prophecies about Christ’s first advent, for example), but many remain to be fulfilled in the future. God alone has the ability to see the future and work the activities of man into His purpose. He is Almighty God, and one day you will meet Him.

            “Remember the former things long past, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things which have not been done,
            saying, ‘My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure’. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass.
            I have planned it, surely I will do it.”

          • Nick_McAvelly

            So all you have is an ad hominem comment.

            That is all …

          • Patti Blount

            Sorry-I know you aren’t talking to me, but you may as well be. I would have quoted the verse, too, because I love to say what my Father says and how He says it. I couldn’t say it better.

          • RageHard84

            Maybe he was highlighting what he believed to be a prophecy that had come true.

      • Patti Blount

        God’s Word shows not only that His Spirit is the spirit of prophecy as to what was to come, and the things in the article was just verifying it happening now, and it also shows why it is happening, because people are choosing to listen to what they want to hear instead of the truth from God’s heart and mind, which is written in His Word.

        • Gay Veteran

          written by men.
          and interesting “god” didn’t see fit to rely on women to write his word

    • watchmannonthewall

      The apostle Paul, when he penned this, surely understood the pattern exemplified in the OT.
      We see Pharaoh took Sarai into his harem when Abram went to Egypt. God stood for both and she was protected. When Abram came back into the Land Abimeleck’s men stole the well he dug and contended wih Abram.
      Isaac was not allowed to leave the Land but he was forced off a number of wells he dug there before the inhabitants left him alone.
      When Jacob came back into the Land , he was first pursued by his father-in-law, whom God warned about speaking either good or evil to his son-in-law, Laban understood he had been prospered by he fac Jacob was with him, and then he meet his brother, Esau, who had 400 men with him and had sworn to kill him.
      Once his family settled in the area Abram had lived, and Jacob purchased land from Heth, Heth’s son raped Jacob’s daughter Dinah and then the two of them attempted to get Jacob and his family to compromise their calling to God and inter-marry and settle among the inhabitants of the Land, having all things in common.
      The lessons of what happened to the fathers, Abram, Isaac, and Jacob, are the same tests we face today. The inhabitants who are not of God’s people, attempt to steal God’s bride or virgin daughter (Sarai, Dinah, the wells of water, the Holy Spirit), to get God’s people to compromise and settle among those who know not God and have no interest in changing and worship their gods. “Come out from among them and be ye separate, says the LORD!”
      This is a test! Most likely the final test before the return of Christ though it may go on for more than another decade or so. Are God’s people going to pass the test and remain faithful to Him or are they going to fall away and prostitute themselves among the Gentiles and their ways? Sadly, it seems many are doing the later.
      God is always going to test His people as to their level of commitment to Him! No man wants an unfaithful wife, nor one for His Son! May your heart be steadfast and unmoveable, always abounding in the work of he Lord.
      “Now it came about afte these things, that God tested Abraham…” (Gen. 22:1)
      “I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give to every man according to his ways, according to the results of his deeds. (Jer. 17:10)

      “The fining pot is for silver, and the furnace for gold, but the LORD tests the hearts. (Prv. 17:3)

  • K

    For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect– if that were possible.
    Matthew 24:24 Another sign of where we are in history. They seek power, where there is none.Stand strong, they can only do what God allows.

  • beezh

    This does not bode well for the future of our society. We are on a path to destruction. God is not mocked, and will one day judge our nation as He judged ancient Israel when they continually did evil in His sight. It would be wonderful if 2 Chronicles 7:14 came to pass, but sadly, that seems highly unlikely. “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

  • Victoria

    Some of us have left ORGANIZED Christianity, but have been seeking first the Kingdom of God and finding Him in Truth as we never did growing up in organized religion. My dad was a preacher…he has preached Jesus but has never KNOWN Jesus. I sought Jesus in so many different types of churches because I was desperate for the God of the Bible! I wanted Jesus, and He called me out from what is so organized that He left, too! There is a remnant in America! God is not finished with America! He will judge Her and purge Her and start again fresh!

  • Scott

    Deuteronomy 18:10 – There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch
    11 – Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

    12 – For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD

    • Gay Veteran

      Polly want a cracker?

  • qt

    So in a few hundred years we’ve gone from hanging accused witches to celebrating them.

    • maddoxdebra

      hehehee how true / how strange

  • George

    When the Gospel is prevented from being simply discussed in the workplace, chaplains in police, fire departments and military are not allowed to express Biblical thoughts publicly in messages, churches are into worship entertainment instead of reaching the lost, poor, widows,orphans, prisoners, strangers, disadvantaged, darkness starts to take over.

    ‘ “I will come to judge you. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers, lying witnesses, and those who cheat workers out of their wages and oppress widows and orphans. I will also testify against those who deprive foreigners of their rights. None of them fear me,” says the LORD of Armies.’ Malachi 3:5 God’sWord

    Inasmuch as ISIS acts have been evil, there is good. They have made various people held captive by them, to realise the true nature of the Islam, causing people to turn to Jesus.

    • Gay Veteran

      “When the Gospel is prevented from being simply discussed in the workplace….”

      let me guess, you would also want the Koran to be be simply discussed in the workplace?

      you would want chaplains in police, fire departments and military are not allowed to express thoughts on Wicca publicly in messages?

      • George

        Let me guess, there’s still hope for you.

        “Or don’t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortionists, will inherit the Kingdom of God. Such were some of you, but you were washed. But you were sanctified. But you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.” I Corinthians 6:9-11 WEB

        “As knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for man slayers, for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine; according to the Good News of the glory of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.” I Timothy 1:9-11 WEB

        • Gay Veteran

          good parrot

          • George

            God loves you, He wants to be a part of your life. I’ve found being a part of Him is far greater than anything else in life. He is the key to truly being happy. He has this promise for you:

            “When you search for me, then you will find me, if you seek me with all your heart.” Jeremiah 29:13 LEB

          • GV

            why is it you people can’t express yourselves without parroting bible verses

  • Paul Patriot

    Yet another sign of the times, when folks reject Truth and follow what tickles their ears and makes them “feel” good.

    No surprise here, we are exactly on the path that the Bible prophesied we would be on In the last days. Expect things to get far darker in the years to come.

    America is already being judged and will continue to do so lest there be a national repentance, which I do not see happening, lest God send a great awakening.

    Here’s a comforting thought…..when things go bad in this country, think of millions of people with a atheistic, evolutionist, satanic/witchcraft worldview rioting in the streets……they have no moral compass to do right, and fear God, thus, their “do what thou wilt” attitude is going to make for some real ugly things to happen in this nation.

    Am I being condescending in saying that Christians are better? No, All I am saying is worldview matters and will affect how one acts and treats his fellow human beings. If someone thinks there is no God, no future, and no accountability for their actions, any type of behavior is possible.

    Bring back the fear of the Lord, the 10 commandments back on school walks, and absolute morals and accountability to a Holy, righteous God…….and throw in some politically incorrect teaching that there are 2 destinations for one’s soul, heaven and hell, and Jesus is the only way to get to heaven.

    Then maybe, this culture could begin the restoration process….

    I anxiously await all the attacks from the Bible haters…..

    • TJAW

      “Last days”.. Absolute, utter nonsense! The world has some violent aspects but we are a far happier and safer world than we used to be. Why wasn’t the genocide of Native Americans considered the last days? What about the genocide in Russia? What about the slavery and lynchings of African Americans? What about the two world wars about the Holocaust? The thousands of medieval battles as well? We were a horrible world decades ago, everything before the 1950s was appalling. Right now we still face challenges but most of humanity is safe and peaceful. We are not in the last days because we suffered much worse in the past and the world is more advanced than ever. So this talk of us being in the last days is stunningly uneducated nonsense.

      • Heather

        So 57 million babies aborted for the sake of convenience/embarrassment is not appalling to you?

        • TJAW

          A baby is part of a woman’s body. It is directly connected to her until it is born. Before being born, it can be aborted if she so chooses. Yes, the number of abortions is needlessly high but a woman desires it, she should be free to have it, especially if the baby is severely unhealthy or if it was conceived after a rape. The vast majority of abortions are done when the “baby” is a tiny balls of cells, anyway. Please do not put abortion on the same level as people dying from tragedy like world war. That is actual tragedy because those people have families, friendships, aspirations, memories and actual connections to the world, actual lives – they die through actual, unforgivable murder.

          • Heather

            I will always put children on the same level, that’s what they deserve….a family, friendships, memories and a connection to their world.

          • Rebellio

            You forget to make the distinction between a civilian and a soldier. And in an accident men are less important then women as well.

          • Rebellio

            You are talking about people and individuals. These babies are part of this world as well. Every one of them is a tragedy, with or without a connection, loved or not!

          • Paul Patriot

            Please stop!!!!!! Making excuses for MURDER all in the name of “freedom of choice”

            AGAIN…..your ignorance is rearing its ugly head. Open your mind and read a good science book, or watch videos of a baby in the womb of a pregnant woman and that the “tiny balls of cells” actually have a heartbeat within 4 weeks.

            Your just trying to justify abortion as not being murder.

          • Gay Veteran

            remind us again how many unwanted children you’ve adopted

          • truefreedom

            I’ll remind you again that there are hundreds of thousands of families waiting to adopt children. We’re really good at killing children but the system puts lots of obstacles into the path of adopting.

          • Gay Veteran

            remind us again how many unwanted children you’ve adopted.

          • Nick_McAvelly

            That is really not the point. The question is whether there are indeed many people out there who would be willing to adopt children, but the system either slows that down or prevents perfectly able people from doing so.

            Is that true or not?

          • Gay Veteran

            don’t know. if the system needs changing then advocate that it be changed.

            “many people”, rather vague

          • Nick_McAvelly

            If you don’t know then your comments on the subject are irrelevant.

          • Gay Veteran

            have to bow to your expertise

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Well you clearly don’t have a clue.

            I recommend Copi & Cohen’s introductory textbook on logic. You may also wish to read Nigel Warburton’s handy little book on the same subject.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…hundreds of thousands of families waiting to adopt children….”

            riiiiiiiiiiiight

          • George

            In an earlier post, you mentioned “holocaust”, indicating an ethnic interest. According to http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm#Abortion : “An unborn child has the status of “potential human life” until the majority of the body has emerged from the mother. Potential human life is valuable, and may not be terminated casually, but it does not have as much value as a life in existence. The Talmud makes no bones about this: it says quite bluntly that if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, you cut it up within her body and remove it limb by limb if necessary, because its life is not as valuable as hers. But once the greater part of the body has emerged, you cannot take its life to save the mother’s, because you cannot choose between one human life and another.

            and, For you formed my inmost being. You knit me together in my mother’s womb. I will give thanks to you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful. My soul knows that very well. My frame wasn’t hidden from you, when I was made in secret, woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my body. In your book they were all written, the days that were ordained for me, when as yet there were none of them. Psalms 139:13-16 (WEB)

            and, “Before I formed you in the belly, I knew you. Before you came out of the womb, I sanctified you. I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:5 (WEB)

            If G-d considered the unborn as originated and being created by Him through the miracles of human birth, then how much more is it to destroy that considered sacred?

            Unwanted pregnancies are easily avoided through a proper marital relationship. An unexpected child within marriage is considered a blessing.

        • Gay Veteran

          I guess it is sooooo appalling to you that you have adopted an unwanted child

          • truefreedom

            There are no unwanted children in the world. There are adoptive parents out there longing for children and having to wait for a very long time to receive one.

          • Gay Veteran

            maybe having to wait a long time to receive a white one

          • Nick_McAvelly

            What do you mean?

            And whatever you mean, is it based on facts – or your own unfounded predjudices?

          • Gay Veteran

            are white couples JUST as willing to adopt a black child as a white child?

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Make your argument – if you have one.

          • Gay Veteran

            what’s wrong? afraid of the question?

          • Nick_McAvelly

            What’s wrong?

            Don’t have an argument?

          • Susan Smith

            Dear Nick, Please don’t stereotype me as “one of the rest”. Yes, I am a white, middle class, heterosexual female with a husband of 30 years and two birth children. I took an early retirement to be a foster mother through our County system. All in my family took MAPS course/intensive physicals etc. to bring foster children into our house hold. We have taken children of all races, male and female, ages between 10 months to 14 years. If they were gay, or a religion other than ourselves was never questioned. Our motive was to help another person out in a difficult situation-including indirectly that child’s birth parent. We also wanted to adopt and this was made known from the beginning to the County. We got out because those children went back to the same dysfunctional families with very little change and it was emotionally hard on me to let go. When I asked out caseworker why there was not a person available for adoption for us she said-“It is not what you think. Most kids are in the system because of mentally ill or drug addicted parents and even they want them back. It is not like it used to be. If parents don’t want their kids from the beginning, they usually abort them.” I am sorry to tell you that we never got our “forever [adoptive] child”. We are a very good family. This is to educate you – as it did educate me. Susan

          • Gay Veteran

            you are a very good person, your children are fortunate

          • Susan Smith

            Thank you so much. I really appreciate your gentle and kind comment. Susan

          • Nick_McAvelly

            I think you should have addressed that comment to someone else.

          • Paul Patriot

            What if they were?????

            Again…..nonsensical dribble again from the one and only…..gay veteran. The above comment is a non issue as the issue was on abortion being the murder of children.

          • Gay Veteran

            AGAIN, anyone wanting to use the power of the State to turn women into child bearing slaves need to step up to the plate and volunteer to adopt one

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Again, that is not the point.

          • Gay Veteran

            yes it is. anyone wanting to use the power of the State to turn women into child bearing slaves need to step up to the plate and volunteer to adopt one

          • Nick_McAvelly

            No it isn’t. But isn’t it interesting that *you* choose to portray women who choose not to have an abortion as ‘child bearing slaves’ (your words).

          • Gay Veteran

            “…*you* choose to portray women who choose not to have an abortion as ‘child bearing slaves’ (your words).”

            reading comprehension problems, eh

            if you’re going to state “your words” then cite what I actually WROTE:

            “… anyone wanting to use the power of the State to turn women into child bearing slaves….”

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Reading *and* writing comprehension problems eh.

            You said what you said, in the context of this discussion. Deal with it.

          • Gay Veteran

            still pretending not to get it:

            “… anyone wanting to use the power of the State to turn women into child bearing slaves….”

          • watchmannonthewall

            Sometimes as I read the SAME comments made over and over again by the SAME people, I picture a person sitting at their computer with a series of scripts applicable to various scenarios that they can pick and choose from as they will.
            Their goal is to get people off the subject matter and create long threads of back and forth nonesense in the hope many will get so fed up with the garbage they will no longer participate or read relevent comments that might be insightful.

          • Paul Patriot

            What is your infatuation for always throwing the possibility that your respondents have not adopted a baby and being somehow associated with woman who have abortions?

            So, what if I have adopted 5 children, it does not change the fact that babies ate being murdered

          • Heather

            Thank you!

          • Gay Veteran

            anyone wanting to use the power of the State to turn women into child bearing slaves need to step up to the plate and volunteer to adopt one

      • Paul Patriot

        So, what about all the historical events you referenced……your point is?????????

        Again, your limited knowledge of history, geopolitics, globalism, geoeconomics and of course Bible prophecy and your narrow minded bias, limits your ability to see the big picture and the convergence and the reason those historical references never qualified for end times, as you would know if you opened up your heart and mind to the Bible which is far smarter, more reliable, and more trustworthy than your flawed presuppositions.

        • Gay Veteran

          heh, Bible prophecy and Tarot cards

      • Nick_McAvelly

        May I suggest you spend some time reading the USCIRF reports on what goes on in Islamic countries today. That will disabuse you of this strange atheistic notion that the world is a safe and happy place.

    • TJAW

      “Here’s a comforting thought…..when things go bad in this country, think of millions of people with an atheistic, evolutionist, satanic/witchcraft worldview rioting in the streets……they have no moral compass to do right, and fear God, thus, their “do what thou wilt” attitude is going to make for some real ugly things to happen in this nation.”

      Again, utter nonsense! There will be no rioting in the streets. You have no idea about what kind of world we live in, we are not living in the dark ages anymore. Furthermore putting atheists and evolutionists on the same same level as Satanists is utterly disgusting! How dare you assume we are the same! How dare you assume we have no moral compass! I believe in evolution and the absence of a God and that Jesus was a normal person, not a man of miracles, and he is dead and will never return because dead people CANNOT return, that’s science and logic – but I have never harmed a soul and never shall. You are deluded and your opinions of those who choose not to believe in a book of unverified myths, and instead enjoy life free of medieval delusion, are appalling!

      • Paul Patriot

        Please sip your koolaide and go back to sleep, you have no comprehension of things spoken of here, I apologize for the inconvenience. Your feeble attempt at a response is “utter nonsense”

        • Gay Veteran

          “Please sip your koolaide ….”

          pot meet kettle

          • Charles T Lawson

            Was it you that said this ,having changed his Avatar from ( gay veteran to GV ?)GV Defendthebillofrights • 16 hours ago
            hmmmm, tell you what, you self-righteous prig, go F yourself with a rusty chainsaw—- And you say POT MEET KETTLE , —You must be the biggest HYPOCRITE on facebook .

          • GV

            problems with Discus, pharisee

          • Charles T Lawson

            WHAT ARE YOU HIDING ,SO NO ONE CAN COMMENT ON YOU , YOU ARE THE FOUL MOUTH ONE ,GET YOU MOTHER TO WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP AND WATER ,THEN CHANGE YOUR NAPPIES .

      • Nick_McAvelly

        “Again, utter nonsense! There will be no rioting in the streets. You have no idea about what kind of world we live in, we are not living in the dark ages anymore.”

        Just google ‘England riots 2011″

      • ManeeVee

        Ah, see. You say you have “never harmed a soul and never shall.” But your caustic and angry tone, you calling someone “deluded” and their opinions “appalling.” Do you not see how unkind that is to someone who simply does not agree with you? Do you not see that unkindness as harmful (hurtful) to this person? Yet, you claim you have “never harmed a soul and never shall.” Even in this post you show yourself not to be truthful.

        • Gay Veteran

          “…Do you not see how unkind that is to someone who simply does not agree with you?….”

          oh my, head on over to the fainting couch.

          the harm he meant is physical harm, but you knew that

    • Gay Veteran

      “…they have no moral compass to do right….”

      bilge, the golden rule is not limited to Christianity.
      oh, I guess that makes me one of the “Bible haters”

      • Nick_McAvelly

        Is that how you see yourself?

      • Paul Patriot

        “If you look at a woman and lust after her, you have committed adultery in your heart”

        Not part of the golden rule per say, yet is an absolute moral.

        How many men have never lusted? None. Bingo!!!! That’s why a Savior was sent.

        And that’s only one of the 10 Commandments.

        • Gay Veteran

          golden rule predates Christianity

    • ManeeVee

      “Am I being condescending in saying that Christians are better? No, All I
      am saying is worldview matters and will affect how one acts and treats
      his fellow human beings. If someone thinks there is no God, no future,
      and no accountability for their actions, any type of behavior is
      possible.”

      Amen! Witness the unkind and vicious behavior on social media, and the suggestions on what to do to people they dislike. Why, I’ve even seen someone (supposedly a normal everyday person) suggest an elderly person has their pets taken away because the dog barks outside in the morning!

      Thanks for saying this, because I think all those non-religious people out there think the society is going to go on exhibiting fundamental Christian virtues (kindness, tolerance, selflessness) while being anti-Christ. I think when they see the consequences of a non-Christian society, they are going to wonder what went wrong, and then the totalitarian oppression will REALLY begin.

      • Paul Patriot

        Amen. Thank you for your great response.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…think of millions of people with a atheistic, evolutionist…witchcraft worldview rioting in the streets……they have no moral compass to do right….”

      BS, try reading “On Liberty” by John Stuart Mill, no need to rely on religion

      • Nick_McAvelly

        That won’t do it.

        Try again.

  • TJAW

    There is no void in my life to fill because I do not believe in a void. I am good without God, he does nothing for me because I cannot see him, hear him or feel him, proving his non-existence in my life. And I am happy, healthy and have a wonderful family. My destination upon death is death – there is no afterlife.

    • Simon

      I cannot see, hear, or feel the logic in an atheist spending their time on a Christian website, posting their beliefs as though they matter but all the while insisting that nothing really matters because in the end we all end up dead and gone forever.

      All your belief put together won’t make sense out of that, buddy.

      • TJAW

        I’ve been silently reading this site ever since that “Pokemon Go is the devil” nonsense went up, it got posted on a Reddit page for atheists and I thought the time was right to say something because this site is a joke, it’s the most fundamentalist thing ever. The website just speaks of doom and gloom and disapproves of everything and everyone non-Christian.

        And guess what? Yeah, nothing really does matter, we do end up dead in the end – so that’s why humanity finds ways to give life meaning. Once you learn that, life becomes more enjoyable.

        • Simon

          And you spend your enjoyable life trolling Christian websites where you know that you will pretty much disagree with everything that is said?

          I thought you were “happy, healthy, and have a wonderful family”. Surely that would also mean you have better things to do.

          Unless you’re actually sad, lonely, and want attention, even negative attention from Christians with whose you share no common ground, but still insist on coming to their websites in your apparently abundant free time.

          It’s funny because you keep making claims about how good life is and yet here you are, posting all over the place as though you have nothing better to be doing (crazy right, coz atheists have plenty of noble, scientific enterprises to be involved in at any given time?)

          Anyways, I expect that if I come back here, I’ll find that you’re posting pretty much everyday (or even living here like some of the other regular atheist trolls) so I guess maybe we’ll chat again one day.

          Happy trolling brother.

          • TJAW

            I will not post anymore. I know when I am not wanted.

            I believe this site to be pure evil, however… the sort of site that wants nothing than more than to scare people and make them feel depressed unless they surrender to elitism. Many articles on here are incredibly anger-driven and paint the world as a hell. I am sure that there are Christians out there who disapprove of this site and its malicious, fear-spreading intentions. In fact, I am pretty sure that there are plenty of gay Christians who believe their God loves them. Sadly, this website is against them too, I’ve read many an article that calls them wicked and immoral, advocating hate against them. If Christians cannot even agree with other Christians, why have religion at all? That’s all I have to say. Nothing else from me.

        • Nick_McAvelly

          The problem is that this sort of thinking ‘nothing really matters’ leads you to to moral relativism, which is a really strange way to live your life, if (as you claim) you are trying to give your life meaning.

          After all, the SS guards who manned the concentration camps were just ‘giving their life meaning’ in accordance with the morality of the day.

          And according to you, that’s all there is. That’s all anyone can ever do. So there is no way for you to meaningfully condemn their actions, or their beliefs.

          If someone decided to give their life meaning by taking what is yours, then they could simply shoot you, murder your wife and children and take your goods. And according to you it wouldn’t matter because hey, ho, you were going to die anyway.

          Moral relativism is a difficult position to defend, once you start thinking seriously about it.

          • Gay Veteran

            you talk about moral relativism and yet how many people have Christians killed? say in Central and South America

          • Nick_McAvelly

            It was not I who talked about moral relativism, it was the original commenter. I merely pointed out that it is a difficult position to defend – and so it is.

            Your response has no bearing whatsoever on what was actually being discussed. I should have thought a big reader like you would have known that.

            If you honestly didn’t know that, then can I suggest you keep on reading, & move on to Copi & Cohen’s excellent introduction to logic. It is a most worthwhile read.

          • Gay Veteran

            well aren’t we the arrogant one

        • Nick_McAvelly

          Here is another way of looking at it:

          If nothing really matters, then there is no good reason to choose one course of action over another.

          I suggest you read ‘The Dice Man’ by Luke Rhinehart.

          If you really believe what you say, then you will let the dice give your life ‘meaning’.

          Do you have the courage of your convictions?

      • K

        Just another troll. He established a new identity to post here. As a matter of fact, I think he is posting under two different identities, on this board. All the better to clog the board

    • Heather

      Hi TJAW, this is Heather…I want to ask you a series of easy questions. Would you be willing to answer them for me? And no, this is not a joke.

      1. Do you have group of close friends?

      Thanks☺️

      • TJAW

        Why only one question? And I have a few friends, yes.

        • Heather

          Thanks TJAW. So, let’s say you and your most cherished/trustworthy friends sit down and start talking about the busy week. My question is….which setting would you prefer; a quiet camp site, out in a boat or in your home? ☺️⛵️??

          • Heather

            TJAW, I guess you’re busy so I will pick a setting for you. So, let’s just say you and your buddies are sitting around the campfire chatting about the past week events. Now let’s pretend that the Bible does not exist at this point; the events have happened but have yet been documented. Ok, now back to the campsite…as you sit around the fire with your close and dear friends you hear a trumpet sound. You and your friends look up and see the clouds part, a dove descends down from the sky and in the mouth/beak of the dove is a piece of cloth. Inside the peice of cloth is the Bible! At this point The dove gently places the Bible on your lap. You see it, all your buddies see it….dang what a miracle! Next, you hear a loud voice from the sky say “TJAW, this is my written word, read it and show it to everyone”! Are you still with me TJAW?

          • Heather

            Ok TJAW…now you have the word of God in your hands, you have the story of how it happened, and you have your friends as witnesses…so now what? Well, God told you to read it and present it to the world. So that’s what you did, you presented it to the entire world. You told the entire world your story of how, who, what, when, and where! Some believe you, some don’t. Now fast forward to the year 2216…how many people do you think would belive your miraculous story that you and your 11 disciples witnessed?

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Now fast forward to the year 2216…how many people do you think would belive your miraculous story that you and your 11 disciples witnessed?”

            hopefully NONE

    • Paul Patriot

      Please share with us how you can be happy knowing that:

      1) you know you will die, yet don’t know when.
      2) there is nothing after this brief life on earth is over.

      • TJAW

        Because why be sad? Why not just be happy and enjoy our brief time on Earth?

    • ManeeVee

      How funny an answer! You cannot see, hear, or feel atoms either, and yet, scientists say they exist all around you! So is that your criteria for something’s existence: that it can be seen, or heard, or felt? If so, what about all the things that may exist that are beyond our senses, like microwaves, or things yet undiscovered? Oh, foolish man. Foolish, foolish man.

      • George

        Hebrews 11:3 (WEB):

        By faith, we understand that the universe has been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen has not been made out of things which are visible.

  • Dan

    The problem is that religions have a fundamental flaw.
    We need to know God in a very personal way.
    Can a church help?…Yes. If it is telling the Truth.
    Read Science of Religion by Paramahansa Yogananda.
    “This” is the new paradigm of society. Truth.

  • Jack Fough

    Bluntly, it means we are screwed. I would not put much faith in the so-called growth of Christianity in the Far East or Africa as the growth will be watched carefully, then squashed, by anti-Christian governments. Until the majority of people put God first, we are stuck in a secular world of heathens and will suffer the consequences of denying our Creator and Savior.

  • DJohn1

    Is there a scientific basis for witchcraft?
    Is there a scientific basis for the religion of the Jews?
    Apparently not. Yet . . .
    I suggest that the latest guesses by the physics community are that there is more to everything than they ever imagined. For one thing on the microscopic level they have guessed at 11 dimensions instead of 4 and proven it mathematically. Speculation says that things move forward and backwards in time at that level as well.
    There is the multi-universe theory to contend with.
    Religion in general in ancient times used the sacrifice of an individual life to open a portal to the spirit realm from which a lot of demons and gods appear to have come from.
    Even the Hebrew books of the Bible specify a certain way that God can be called upon with the sacrifice of an innocent lamb.
    The Trinity of the Catholic Church also specifies a Holy Spirit.
    There are at least 3 religions around the middle east that believe in the sacrifice to call upon the spirit universe. They also specify a certain location as where this must occur to reach that portal and that area is an area of conflict even today. Right now a Muslim building sits on the site. Yet it could easily become a Jewish Temple in the near future with a war being the result of such change.
    God in the old testament exposed false religion and false gods.
    And witchcraft specifically refers to one female god in the past. It was condemned in the old testament.
    In the old testament there are many instances of God, a living god, moving on behalf of the Jews in accordance with a contract made by them and God by Abraham.
    This is by definition a form of magic. The sacrifice on an altar was common to that era.
    In today’s world we seldom hear of such things.
    IF and WHEN the Jews summon God through a sacrificial lamb will God appear? Will it be on the original site of Solomon’s Temple?
    Whatever happens there are at least 3 major religions that believe it might happen.
    Our physics people have produced some remarkable discoveries in the last 150 years. Our astronomers describe a universe that is so huge it is staggering. Literally millions of galaxies out there full of stars and possibly planets similar to our own. “In my father’s house, there are many mansions” describes this.
    The question is not whether religion can survive but whether it can keep up with the knowledge of just what the Universe is and how we relate to it.
    We are but a generation or two away from medicine that will drastically lengthen the human lifespan. So what do we do with all those people continuing to out populate the food supply?
    We are struggling with the old views and the new. Not everything will survive this knowledge. For centuries people believed the Earth was flat and above our heads was heaven and paradise and below our feet was Hell.
    We are on the verge of tremendous discoveries that may end poverty and starvation forever. Unless in the meantime we destroy the entire planet in our greed and corruption with weapons of mass destruction.
    I personally believe in Jesus Christ as my lord and savior.
    I personally believe in the Biblical God, the alpha and omega, the beginning and end of all creation.
    I believe our 4 dimensional view of things is an illusion.
    Our minds are not really set up to see the universe beyond the graphical interface we observe.
    Do we survive the death of the physical body in the form of a soul?
    I think we do, but I have very little proof.
    Will Jesus return? I think he will come back but not in the form most people are used to seeing in our churches.
    History is written by the victors of past wars.
    It is not necessarily the entire truth.
    I choose to believe. I do not choose to believe blindly.

    • watchmannonthewall

      Excellent comments and logical, rational, thoughts that combine elements of faith with what we are currently learning! It has often been said, “The more I learn, the less I know.” I know here is a God, just can’t describe Him adequately with my limitations!

  • mar1950

    Who is it that are beating the war drums the loudest? The religous right. The world is perfectly capable of bloodshed and all we have offer is more of the same. No wonder the world is laughing at us. Christians have ruined their testimony by fervently supporting all America’s wars that are propagated on lies.

    • Nick_McAvelly

      .

    • Gay Veteran

      that’s because too many Christians have turned the military into an idol

  • Chris Gerber

    Not surprising. But, this isn’t the problem, only the symptom. The problem is getting the church to wake up and smell the coffee….. and be vigilant to put a stop to this.

    • watchmannonthewall

      The church is not going to put a stop to it. Jesus will when He returns. We are living during a time when god is allowing everything to be separated into its final state. Those who endure to the end will be gathered by Messiah as He sets up His Kingdom for those who have chosen Him, historically and present day, and persevered during their testing.

      • iris

        Agree!

  • carson

    yep just as it’d be gathered from all the prophecies about the end time.
    The world will regress and that which was is that which shall be again.

    Notice also the rise of mock (for now) human sacrifice rituals in various ceremonies, official grand opening ceremonies attended by the rulers of the world even have devolved into pagan witchcrafts and mock ritual sacrifice, a return to the day’s of old for the world, the great falling away from Christ yes but also from natural love natural goodness etc etc just as prophesied.

    • Nick_McAvelly

      Yes that really is quite alarming – did you see what was going on at the CERN place in Switzerland the other day? And that huge (and expensive) ceremony covered not long ago by Rick Wiles over at Trunews – that’s really not good. And you can’t help feeling that it is the tip of the iceberg.

      • carson

        yeah It’s really something, makes you consider eccl 1:9, the thing that has been is that which shall be…

  • Paul Patriot

    What?????????????????

    Islam has nothing to do with ISIS????????

    Islam calls for saving lives???????

    Islam calls for keeping good ties with non-muslims????

    Islam calls for respecting the laws the laws of the countries they immigrate to?????????

    If you were not spreading such lies, I would say that you must be inebriated while posting, or else you are being sarcastic……

    You know nothing of Islam and what it teaches, and you try to spread your lying dribble trying to justify the ” religion of peace”, with its quaran and hadith that have spread hate, oppression, submission and murder every place on this planet that adherents of Islam obtain “the upper house” and institute sharia.

  • Paul Patriot

    Really? Gee, my bible must have extra pages, because the harpazo, “catching away” is very clearly taught.

    • watchmannonthewall

      You should read Michael’s book, “The Rapture Verdict”, where he takes a look at not only the Greek language used in the various “rapture” passages of the NT but also dissects the arguments used in support of a pre-trib rapture and shows, conclusively, other passages of scripture woud be false if such were the case.
      If a pre-trib rapture were true, scripture contradicts itself and can’t be inspired by an omniscient God for it is fallible. There is no pre-trib rapture though there is a “catching away” or “gathering” of saints, just at the end of the Tribulation, as Jesus said in Matthew 24.

      • Paul Patriot

        Ok, I will check that out. Thank you for your response.

      • Gay Veteran

        and other Christians come to the complete opposite conclusion.
        not surprising, bible was written by men

        • watchmannonthewall

          Yes, they do come to such conclusions, sadly! The question is what biblical evidence do they have for their position. All to often it boils down to a passage in Revelation where John is told, “Come up here [heaven] and I will show you what must take place after these things.” (Rev. 4:1)

          As Michael asked in his book (I’m paraphasing but this is the gist of it), “There, did you see it [the rapture]?” No? Read it again! Still don’t see it? That’s because it isn’t there!” I thought it was a great line!

          Two years ago I went to a special meeting put on by a church where they brought in a 85 year old “expert” of eschatology. Within 5 minutes it was very clear to me the man, who was a PH’d’er, was teaching doctrine developed 100+ years ago and hadn’t updated one thing to account for all the changes in the ME and world since then. He also used this same passage to “prove” the rapture happened before all the other events of Revelation. Most Christians are still in the same place. God gave me a mind to use.

          Because most eschatological prophesy hasn’t been fulfilled, we can only attempt to project how its fulfillment may occur. Regarding “the rapture” however, scripture gives the definite time of fulfillment as at the return of Jesus Christ. Most ignore this since they are afraid of having to deal with the Tribulation!

          Where in the Bible is their second and third witness for it being at a different time? Many actually claim it is a “secret” rapture, as if the fact hundreds of thousands or millions of people missing all at once will go unnoticed by the world! LOL They don’t have either a second or third witness and as Michael points out, all the other witnesses, including Jesus and Paul, point to a post-trib-pre-wrath rapture, or, as I put it, “gathering” of the saints just prior to the Battle of Armaggedon.

          Do you know why so many have so many differing views of what Scripture says? It is because they don’t know the basic parameters that must be followed to develop proper doctrine, they don’t teach this in cemetary school. The first parameter is you must have two or three witnesses to develop biblical doctrine! If not, admit you are speculating! God made that rule and very few today follow it or think it of any importance. It IS the reason there are 30,000+ denominations today within Christianity!

          • Nick_McAvelly

            You’re wasting your time trying to explain such matters to him; he’s not interested.

          • watchmannonthewall

            He is a smart guy. I enjoy dialoging with him. I know what he is like and he knows what I am like also.

          • Gay Veteran

            no explaining necessary.

            If “god” gives you a revelation and you then pass on this “revelation” to another then it is hearsay for the other person

          • Gay Veteran

            “…they don’t teach this in cemetary school….”

            gee, you’d think the unchanging word of “god” would be easier to understand

          • watchmannonthewall

            You have some things right, but in the wrong places. The Bible was written by men, but under the oversight of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is interpreted by men, often with their own agenda, and often NOT under the oversight of the Holy Spirit, meaning with contradictions. Therein lies the problem. It isn’t the writting of the Book, it is the interpretation of the Book!
            If I can teach just a few that God says you must have at least two witnesses to develop a biblical position on a doctrinal matter, those who apply that criteria won’t get sucked into the swirling pit of contradictory opinions espoused by the many but will actually have a firm foundaion useful to discard false doctrines.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Bible was written by men, but under the oversight of the Holy Spirit….”

            that’s your opinion.
            If “god” gives you a revelation and you then pass on this “revelation” to another then it is hearsay for the other person

          • watchmannonthewall

            We already had that discussion.

    • Gay Veteran

      jeez, you Christians can’t even agree on the rapture

  • Jim Clark

    John Lennon is being proven to be correct: Christianity will fade away

    • Paul Patriot

      Kind of like when he said the Beatles are more famous than Jesus, right ?????

    • ManeeVee

      Well, truth is John Lennon will fade away. But Christ will never fade away. You won’t live long enough to see it, but it will happen. (Hey, what was the name of that famous king in France in the late 700’s, the one no one could every forget????)

  • greanfinisher .

    What is so terribly wrong with converting to Islam anyway? Christianity has been an absolute failure in this country so maybe that’s the missing element.

    • Paul Patriot

      Please read and learn about Islam before you ask a question like that.

      Christianity has NOT been a failure in this country, I am perplexed why you would make such a statement??

      The founding of this nation, was co u n d on bureau/Christian principles, principles that have made this one of the greatest nations on human. history.

      A imperfect nation for sure, with its fair share of skeletons and sorrows in its closet, but, if not for Christian principles, the constitutional republic would l d have never been.

      Please research Islam more carefully, and as you do, keep asking yourself ” what is so terribly wrong with converting to Islam”

      Hopefully you will find the Truth of these matters you have commented on.

      • greanfinisher .

        The televangelist Reverend Billy Graham once fumed that the country was worst off than when he began his crusade. In fact, the reverend even commented that the country was just as wicked as Sodom and Gomorrah. Is this what you call a success?

        • Mistanick

          Man has failed. The evil in men’s hearts is not because of anything God has done or not done. The choice is ours to honor God and follow Him or reject Him and follow our own lusts and rebellious free will.

        • Nick_McAvelly

          And yet … spend a little time reading the USCIRF reports on what actually goes on in Islamic countries. (As a starting point, you may also want to check out the books of Majed el Shafie and Raymond Ibrahim.)

          Compare Islamic countries to our own cultures & countries. Where would you rather live?

          • greanfinisher .

            For one thing, I simply don’t belong in the Arabic countries, and I have no kin over there either. In fact, thanks to this country’s policies, there is an open season on Americans in those lands. Obviously Mitt Romney figured that his assets didn’t belong over here. That in itself could only indicate that he didn’t have an ounce of faith in the country’s system. Clearly something is amiss here as Americans are fleeing the country in droves.

          • Nick_McAvelly

            What’s the man with the magic underpants got to do with anything?

            Btw you will recall the theme of the article – Christianity is now in decline in America, and here you are acknowledging that America itself is now in decline. How interesting! Do you think there might be a connection there?

            Now once again – read the USCIRF reports on what happens in Islamic countries, and answer the question: would you rather live in a Christian country or an Islamic country?

    • Mistanick

      Why did God create you? That is the question. Christianity does not exist to serve man but to serve God. It is man who rejects God, not God rejecting man that damn’s mankind. Rebels who reject God ultimately serve satan, the prince of darkness. Is that whom you wish to serve and bow to? Really? Hell, the resting place for eternity of the damned, is the greatest pain you have ever experienced multiplied by a million, 10 million, infinite pain, for eternity. Think about it.

      • greanfinisher .

        Well, the Pope recently professed that Christianity and Islam were the same. In fact, the pontiff even read aloud some passages from the Quran in St. Peters Square yesterday. I should think that if Islam is OK with the pope, then it should be OK with everybody.

        • Mistanick

          The pope is not God nor does he speak for God. The pope cannot change the Bible, God’s word. If you are serious about learning the difference between allah and God, there are many resources to help you do that. I challenge you to get out your Bible and complete a study on line with a sound Bible theolgian. Here is one that I recommend, but there are others to be sure. http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/43-47/false-assurance-of-the-religious

          • greanfinisher .

            Allah and God, the Bible and the Quran along with Jesus Christ and the prophet Muhammad are all synonymous.

          • Mistanick

            You are playing games now. Its clear you have read neither one of them. If you are really interested in finding God for your life, start with the Bible and ask God to open your eyes to the truth. Try the Book of Mathew.

        • Nick_McAvelly

          No, you shouldn’t think that at all.

          • greanfinisher .

            Well, the reverend Billy Graham supports Islam. Is the world revered evangelist wrong?

        • ManeeVee

          Now that’s not true. The Pope did not say Christianity and Islam are the same! The Pope is a human like anyone else. Since he was not defining doctrine, he is not to be considered “infallible” on this point. I personally believe he is in error on the point that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. Since I believe he is in error on THIS POINT, I will not accept what he says ON THIS POINT. When he is teaching Catholic doctrine, and speaking Ex Cathedra, THEN I will accept what he teaches.

    • Nick_McAvelly

      I suggest you spend some time reading the USCIRF reports on what goes on in Islamic countries.

      If you think that is the best that we can do, then there’s no hope for you.

  • Lori

    Pray as never before, Read The Word Of God, Live It and Be A firm Believer and discern Good and Evil. sentence I Hear a lot Of Is” It Is Okay” or “It will Be okay” Really? Not all things are okay and I Hear this stated a lot. To Be willing To Stand and not Justify Sin For Believers or Unbelievers! Someone will always turn To A true Believer For approval Of Sin, It Happen To Me Today At my Job and I told Them Truth They did not Like It
    .But I am not Going To Justify Sin, By Saying Something sweet about It! I cannot be ignorant, and say It Is Okay or I know you did not mean too. No More.

  • winrob

    Think of a scientific test. (Caution! This is a thought experiment. Do NOT try this at home!) Tie four people to posts before a firing squad. The Christian prays to Jesus. The Moslem prays to Allah. The witch voices magic incantations. The atheist simply awaits. Result? Four dead humans. Moral of this fable? Each person should believe what makes the most sense, makes for the most comfort, and helps to survive life’s inevitable troubles. And STOP criticizing the others!

    • Paul Patriot

      Great test. But, doesn’t really get to the point of eternity. All human beings will physically die, this is a given.

      Adolf Hitler believed that what he believed made the most sense, as did Mao, Stalin, etc.

      The question is not what makes you feel good, the question is what is truth.

      If the Bible is true, let’s assume it is for arguments sake, then the above fable goes beyond 4 dead physical bodies, the question is what happens when we die. The Bible has much to say about this, and in fact claims to be the word of the creator and hid revelation to us.

      If truth exists and one is deviating from that truth, and anyone cones along to share that truth and lovingly warn of the consequences of rejecting that truth, it’s not criticizing, it’s lovingly warning .

      If a man is ruining his life and marriage via an adulterous affair, is it criticizing him to expose his righteousness and warn him of his destructive path and beg him to repent?

      Or, is it better to just day nothing and let him destroy his life.

      Again, IF Jesus is “the way, the Truth and the life, and no one comes to the father except through him”

      Then how is it criticizing someone who is in a false way, even though that false way ” makes the most sense to them, makes them comfortable, and helps survive inevitable trouble(which is impossible), by telling g them the Truth that leads to life…..life eternal??????

      • winrob

        All fables are simplified. If a miscreant tries to break into my ranch house, I will shout, ” stop or I will shoot!” If he heeds not, my AR-15 will end the discussion. This sort of criticism is unfortunately sometimes necessary. At the other end of the criticism scale, well-meaning advice is not out of place.

        • Nick_McAvelly

          Your position is not even consistent. First you assert that there should be no criticism. Next you say that there should.

          You need to spend some time thinking this matter through. Again, I recommend Mill’s classic textbook on freedom of speech, ‘On Liberty’.

      • Gay Veteran

        and yet your “god” NEVER regrows the missing limbs of amputees

    • Mistanick

      That is not a scientific test of anything, but a challenge by an athiest. Those who don’t want to be lead to salvation through Jesus Christ need not listen. Don’t presume you have any right to tell Christian’s to stop spreading the news of Christ. You don’t.

      • winrob

        Your reading comprehension needs refurbishing. I said nothing about restricting speech. I said not to criticize others with different beliefs, which you just did without even knowing me.

        • Nick_McAvelly

          So your position is that there are no grounds whatsoever to criticize the Nazis? Surely you can see that there is something wrong with your position, if you have placed yourself on the same level as the Nazis?

          And you are indeed advocating the restriction of free speech if you are arguing against the expression of dissenting voices.

          I suggest you try reading John Stuart Mill’s ‘On Liberty’. It’s one of the standards textbooks on freedom of speech, & is still taught in universities today.

          That will make you realise the importance of criticising what other people believe.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…I suggest you try reading John Stuart Mill’s ‘On Liberty’….”

            not limited merely to freedom of speech, but freedom of action so long as you do not harm others

          • winrob

            Why do you tread so far from the topic? The article was about theology, not criminology. Reread my fable. Note the victims. No Hitler et al. I do not believe in criticizing people who sincerely believe in other religions because that leads to virtually everyone criticizing virtually everyone else on planet Earth. There are some 600 religions recognized by the UN. You will not have time anything productive if you travel that road.

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Why do you fail to understand the consequences of your stated position?

            See previous comment.

          • winrob

            OK –How about if you confide in me the first ten religions you are going to continue criticizing? We can deal with the other 590 or so later.

      • Gay Veteran

        Don’t presume you have any right to tell non-Christian’s to listen politely to the spreading the news of Christ. You don’t.

        • Nick_McAvelly

          Can I sincerely suggest to you that you read John Stuart Mill’s classic textbook on freedom of speech, ‘On Liberty’.

          Mill argues powerfully that the listener is being given an opportunity (just as much as the speaker) when dissenting views are expressed.

          It really is rather an important book.

          • watchmannonthewall

            Don’t you know we live in a society that embraces “diversity”, except, of course, when it comes to religious dissenting views? Excuse me, I mean, Christian dissenting views.

          • Gay Veteran

            I’ve read “On Liberty”.

            Can I sincerely suggest to you that you read Thomas Paine’s “The Age of Reason”

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Very good – a fellow reader! We appear to be rather thin on the ground nowadays. (Although the last time I was in the bookshop in Aberdeen, it was quite busy – people are abandoning their Kindles, perhaps?)

            You will understand then if I take issue with your earlier remarks about the point of the matter being whether someone has a ‘right’ to tell you to listen politely to a dissenting view.

            I understand that you were responding to an earlier comment, but that’s neither here nor there. I do not believe anyone claimed to have the ‘right’ to tell you to listen politely to a dissenting view.

            It is simply expected that if you come on to a website such as this and make the effort to comment on a forum such as this, that you have exercised your right to expose yourself to a Christian worldview (see the work of the Special Rapporteur on this aspect of our human rights btw) and it is not at all unreasonable for the owner of the website, and the other users, to expect you to be polite.

            If someone goes to the time, expense and trouble to construct a website & explicitly invites other people to comment on their work, it’s not exactly setting the bar too high if they expect other people to be polite when they comment on that website.

            These are just basic internet ground rules – so it seems to me that it’s not a matter of another commenter having the ‘right’ to ‘tell’ you to listen politely to a dissenting view.

          • Gay Veteran

            not intellectually healthy to only want reinforcement of your views

          • Nick_McAvelly

            It’s not intellectually healthy to create straw men & introduce red herrings into a debate.

            Copi & Cohen – I suggest you read it.

          • Gay Veteran

            if you’re going to make an accusation then make it, don’t be a pu**y about it

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Take your own advice, hypocrite.

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Read it years ago.

            Put Copi & Cohen at the top of your list.

            It would sharpen up your thinking a fair bit. (Seriously, it is an excellent textbook.)

          • Gay Veteran

            not impressed with you recommending it

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Your loss.

            You can always just keep on making silly comments & showing your own intellectual limitations.

            Your choice.

          • Gay Veteran

            whew, your arrogance is incredible (and unwarranted)

          • Nick_McAvelly

            Wrong on both counts.

            See previous comment.

        • Mistanick

          I have every right to spread truth. You don’t have to listen to it.

          • Gay Veteran

            you have every right to spread what you think is the truth, and the listener has every right to call BS

    • Nick_McAvelly

      Moral relativism is an untenable position. If you really believe what you just wrote, then you personally have no grounds whatsoever to criticise the Nazis, or the Russian perpetrators of the Katyn forest massacre, or serial killers like Ted Bundy … surely you can see that there’s something wrong with your position?

  • Michael Reed

    Christianity is receding and contracting because A) The Church is becoming politically correct in an attempt to be more acceptable and non-confrontational. B) the federal gov’t is putting pressure on pastors to be more tolerant of false religion (i.e Islam) and less dogmatic on Biblical doctrines like sin, homosexuality and other touchy subjects and is systematically removing the Christian influence in the military thanks to our “Muslim-In-Chief.” C) Hollywood, the music industry and the news media have all but abandoned any semblance of respect for Jesus, the Bible or the Church!

    • iris

      yep.

  • “Allah bless us and bless our families and bless our Lord. Lead us on the straight path – the path of all prophets: Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad.”
    ^^^ What’s most upsetting about this is how the preacher did not know that “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for “God” Much like “Dios” in Spanish, “Gott” in German, and “Dieu” in French, “Allah” simply means “God”. It’s not a special new or separate entity like “Zeus” or “Cthulu”.

    • carson

      how can anyone come to the Father but by Christ? john 14:6.

      saying Christ Jesus was merely a prophet and good man falls entirely short of who He is and is a rejection of the only way to reach the Father. So in bypassing Christ they do not know the Father, so what ‘god’ do they pray to?
      Not God Almighty.
      He who dishonors the Son dishonors the Father who sent Him.

      • Well…… the entire Old Testament discredits the New Testament on face value. The Old Testament made very clear that the Messiah would come ONCE, and bring about the end of times.

        The New Testament however was written far too long after the OT to be even relatable to the religion of G-d, the religion of YWHW. The claims of the NT are often diametrically opposed to the promises made in the OT. Jews point this out beautifully (and often).

  • “So far there have been well over 1000 Islamic terror attacks in 2016, and ISIS appears to have a renewed emphasis on attacking churches and Christians wherever they can find them.
    […]
    many areas of the continent are rightly regarded to be “post-Christian” at this point. In the UK, the Christian faith has declined so dramatically […]”

    Welp, I bet this must be how people felt in 1095 when the [Christian] Church started the Crusades.

    • Paul Patriot

      You mean when the Catholic church started the crusades…..right?

      • Yup. The Pope didn’t know what an eternal mess he was starting. Maybe that’s why so many non-Catholics refer to Catholicism as the anti-Christ’s religion. The many ba$tardizations of the Bible and outrageous defiances against G-d’s commands (such as having Saints to bow down to and worship, and having an intermediary between G-d and believers — the Pope.)

  • morty4808

    Of course You leave out Kabbalism and Freemasonry, Jewish mysticism in general. It is the atheist Jew that is rotting America within. Look at Hollywood it is a cesspool, how many of those deviants follow the Kaballah ? BY the way who paid for all the North Africans to get to Europe George Soros … an atheist Jew. Keep deflecting from your people but many are awake.

    • Nick_McAvelly

      So Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are ‘atheist Jews’?

      That’s news to me. It’d probably be news to the pair of them too.

      • morty4808

        Those are puppets Nick, go read Soros’s leaked Emails before you comment.

        • Nick_McAvelly

          Revelation 3:9

        • Nick_McAvelly

          “In describing the characteristics of the Rothschilds and other major international bankers, Dr. Quigley tells us that they remained different from ordinary bankers in several ways: they were cosmopolitan and international; they were close to governments and were particularly concerned with government debts, including foreign government debts; these bankers came to be called “international bankers.” (Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, p.52)

          One major reason for the historical blackout on the role of the international bankers in political history is that the Rothschilds were Jewish. Anti-Semites have played into the hands of the conspiracy by trying to portray the entire conspiracy as Jewish. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The traditionally Anglo-Saxon J. P. Morgan and Rockefeller international banking institutions have played a key role in the conspiracy. But there is no denying the importance of the Rothschilds and their satellites. However, it is just as unreasonable and immoral to blame all Jews for the crimes of the Rothschilds as it is to hold all Baptists accountable for the crimes of the Rockefellers.”

          G. Allan, None Dare Call It Conspiracy

          • iris

            Agree! Anyone who blames another race for the ills of the world, is a bigot, and a hypocrite.

  • Gay Veteran

    Islam is incompatible with Western civilization.
    Islam is violently anti-Gay and treats women like slaves

    • Nick_McAvelly

      Anyone who spends a few evenings reading through the USCIRF annual reports on what actually goes on in Islamic countries can see what the ideology of Islam brings to this earth.

  • Gay Veteran

    good parrot

  • Gay Veteran

    spam

    • Allen Daves

      2Tim 4: 3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
      4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

      • Gay Veteran

        does Polly want a cracker?

  • ManeeVee

    If Allah is God, then why not have Muslims and Christians praying together address God as “God”? Why say “Allah”? I know why — because Allah is NOT God (Allah is not the tri-une God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit), and the Muslims will not pray to God. Tells you something right there.

    • carson

      yep john 14:6.
      So in bypassing Christ…none can actually reach the Father.
      And in not reaching the Father then ..whatever their praying to, is not God Almighty.

      It’s not enough to say Christ was a good man only, a prophet but only a man etc which is what they do, rejection of Christ, how can they reach the Father, they can’t.

      There are many religions, all bypassing the ONLY way to the Father, bypassing Christ. Pray that anyone might be saved and have their eyes opened

  • Defendthebillofrights

    Over the centuries the Blessed Virgin Mary has appeared to certain individuals on many occasions and those apparitions have been investigated by the Vatican with great scrutiny as to their authenticity. In the North American continent one of the Greatest of all was the story of Our Lady of Guadelupe. As Scientist tried to disprove it they only learned more and were in awe. The same could be said of the apparitions of Garabandel where other miracles were actually photographed as scientist were in observation.
    What I’m getting at is this, each apparition has provided all of Christianity with information which has largely been ignored. Some of it has been prophetic in nature. One that sticks in my mind is that of the loss of faith prior to a chastisement from God prior to the end of times. Time fames are not as important as hanging on to your beliefs.
    To those who have traded God for a bag of chicken bones, a magic wand, a wicca spell, or a Ouija board I ask one question.
    WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF YOU ARE WRONG?

  • Pete Okuhira

    In western, developed countries, people are so spoiled to the point that majority thinks they don’t need the LORD in their hearts to guide them in their lives. Therefore, these people tends to fall away from LORD GOD Almighty and just do their own things because non believers thinks they can survive and live a decent living without GOD.

  • SantosGarcia
  • Smartenuppeople

    With regard to all the posts by some folks here who don’t get it let me boil it down for all of you.
    Abortion is murder, its wrong, you are sick if you think that killing an unborn child is ok, a choice, no big deal or not killing a human life. Science proved that life begins at conception. Bottom line don’t do it.
    Everyone knows right from wrong. If it bothers your conscience or your mother or grandmother wouldn’t approve… don’t do it.
    Hope that clears this all up.

    • Gay Veteran

      have you adopted an unwanted child?
      no? then you’re engaged in “moral” preening

  • Defendthebillofrights

    Rosita I pray there are millions who get it like you and will stand against the Globalists.

  • George

    I would not lump Catholics with the other religions, there are saved Catholics. There are unsaved people in Protestant churches who think they know Jesus but don’t (Matthew 7:21-23). That includes Baptists, Pentecostals, Reformed, Lutheran and etc. I say not all, but when it comes to benevolence, love without racial preference, work ethic, and etc., there are those who are no different that the world. These are the ones who cause dissent, pastor firings, withholding pastor wages and fringes, etc.

    • warriorbride

      there are no saved catholics either you are born again or you are a catholc for no true follower of Jesus Christ would stay in that CULT which is the catholic churhc for they do NOT follow the bible at all but their own man made book called the Apocrapha and if they were saved then the HOLY SPIRIT would tell them to RUN for they wouldn’t STAY in that church if they were truly born again , and you are correct there are dead dry churches that also teach false doctrines like you just mentioned but they all came from the Catholic church and didn’t like what they taught so they started their OWN church wtih theior own beliefs which is NOT the bible at all, but their OWN WILL AND WAY !

      Yes you are correct, there are churches that teach FALSE CONVERSION where they tell people that they are saved but they are NOT ! But the catholic church is one of the most EVIL chruches that I know, for they deal in rape of children and nuns, and the pope goes to a satanic church where he sacrifices babies to satan and is involved in the ILLUMINATI and they deal in idolatry, NECROMANCER which is WITCHCRAFT ! The pope aslo has oked gay priests and has said that muslims follow the same Jesus which is a lie from the pit of hell, they also call their telescope LUCIFER and if that doesn’t give you a clue that they serve satan then you are blinded and deceived and have NO DISCERNMENT AT ALL !

      • warriorbride

        THE POPE was also charged with stealing and selling babies for 80 grand and also has made BILLIONS of dollars LYING to the people telling them that if they pay they can get their families out of PERGETORY which there is NONE ! tell ME IS THAT HOW A CHRISTIAN WOULD ACT ? NOT !

  • Gay Veteran

    “…However, this is a difficult position to defend….”

    no it isn’t, read “On Liberty” by John Stuart Mill

    • Nick_McAvelly

      That won’t do it.

      Try again.

  • Gay Veteran

    anyone wanting to use the power of the State to turn women into child bearing slaves need to step up to the plate and volunteer to adopt one.

    • Nick_McAvelly

      How interesting to see that you consider women who choose not to have an abortion as ‘child bearing slaves’.

      • Gay Veteran

        LIAR, you know what I wrote:

        “anyone wanting to use the power of the State to turn women into child bearing slaves need to step up to the plate and volunteer to adopt one.”

  • Charles T Lawson

    How can any Christian come together with Islam when they are SLAUGHTERING the Christians , ( Or the old saying love they neighbour ) But where is the love coming from withing ISLAM ?

  • Truthing

    This will probably come as a shock to you, but Sat_ernsday is not the true 7th day Sabbath either.
    Please go to http://www.worldslastchance.com and learn why.

  • Rosita Antonio

    Concerning the 7th day not being God’s true holy day, God calls us to obey Him according to the light and knowledge we have today. Throughout history Man may have ventured to make the first day of the week Wednesday, for all we knew, which would make the following Tuesday the 7th day! If that were the case and God said rest on THE 7th day because I did, we can only do what God said, rest on the 7th day whichever day the 7th day “appears” to be today in 2016, and the 21St century. An obedient heart and a Christlike mind is what God is really looking for, not a mind that is filled with excuses and reasons to be wayward. So it really doesn’t matter what name man gave each day, God numbered them and He said to meet Him on the 7th day, any other day we CANNOT expect to meet Him there, so I meet God on the day HE set aside, sanctified and hallowed. Any other day is a man made day of worship and I cannot do it. If we are also going to be keep the 7th day as a Sabbath throughout eternity, then it must be very important to God so I’ll continue to practice to keeping it no matter how ignorant I might be in keeping it holy, I’ll have enough practice after Jesus takes me to the eternal city in the sky!!!

  • Rosita Antonio

    By the way, no it does not come as a shock to me about Saturnday. Like I said, Man named the day according to the god he served. This does not cancel out the fact that God called Mankind to keep holy the 7th day. It having the name Saturn does not cancel out our loving obligation to meet God on the day He created as holy simply by resting on it. What power!!! God abhors excuses, all He wants are “good” results from us humans!

  • Rosita Antonio

    George, I’m not lumping Catholics with all other religions. Jesus knows there’s God’s people in all religions, that’s why Hebsaod what He said in John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be ONE FOLD, and ONE SHEPHERD. But there’s one thing that Catholicism has with fallen Protestantism and that is the false Sabbath they keep which is Sunday! True ProtestantStory kerp the 7th day Bible Sabbath as Jesus and ALL of His disciples kept. That’s the main reason I would lump all so-called Christian religions together, that kerp Sunday as the Sabbath.

    • George

      Sabbath rest is an attitude of the heart (Hebrews 4:9-12). God is less concerned to what specific day of the week taken. Those who served as ancient Israeli guards kept watch over the gates during Sabbath, yet were guiltless. Levitical priests served in the temple during the Sabbath yet were innocent for breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:5). Early Christian Jews met on day following the traditional Sabbath, so they could attend both Jewish and Christian services. We will not have a true rest as spoken of in Hebrew, until we truly rest from our labours, beyond the grave. So to enter into that rest, we must work the works of him who has called us. Thus it is acceptable to do good on our Sabbath, helping to rescue the lost (Luke 14:3-5).

  • pearl87

    Catholicism IS Christianity. Heresy is for fools.

    • warriorbride

      they are NOT ! the catholic church doesn’t follow Jesus in the bible, for the pope just said NOT to have a relationship with Jesus Christ and they don’t follow the bible at all , but the APOCRAPHA for there is no PERGETORY or SALVATION by works or paying to dead saints, or mother mary or doing the rosary beads for God says that is by FAITH not WORKS that you are saved and there is only 1 MEDITATOR to GOD and that is Jesus Christ, and the catholic church has stolen BILLIONS of dollar LYING to their people telling them if they pay PENANCE then their loved ones will get out of Pergetory, and they are NOT BORN AGAIN ! So just because they believe in Jesus doesnt’ mean that they are chrsitian for many CULTS also believe in JESUS but they DON’T FOLLOW the doctrines of the bible at all, so GOD calls them a LIAR and the TRUTH and CHRIST is NOT in them if they PROFESS to know Jesus but do NOT follow God’s Word ! YOU WILL KNOW them by their fruits, the pope is a member of a SATANIC CULT that sacrifices babies to satan and also has been charged with STEALING children and selling them for 80 GRAND A PIECE ! they deal in WITCHCRAFT, NECROMANCER AND IDOLATRY God tells us NOT to pray to a statue or to the dead, and you have NO KNOWLEDGE of what they believe at all YOU SHOW YOUR IGNORANCE by saying that for if you did, do your research then you would OF NOT SAID THAT and there are many more things that they have added to the church, FALSE PAGAN HOLIDAYS AND THEY FOLLOW TRADITIONS OF MEN AND THEY DO NOT HEAR FROM GOD AND THEY HAVE A RELGION NOT A INTIMATE PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST AND all catholics will follow their leaders straight to hell for that is where they are going for being drunks, RAPING nuns and children and they serve sata, for even the POPE and priests are ILLUMINATI and their own telescope is called LUCIFER !

      • pearl87

        Your ignorance and bigotry notwithstanding, Catholicism IS Christianity.

      • Dem

        You need to get educated! In the Christian world your either Catholic or Protestant.Catholic church is Christ centered!!!

  • Rosita Antonio

    Pearl87, please do your historic and biblical research and you will find that Catholicism IS NOT Christianity! It is only a form of Christianity, but it is not TRUE Christianity. Christians keep the 7th day Sabbath, and Christians worship and serve a RISEN Jesus, while Catholicism worships a crucified Jesus! In fact, Carholics worship dead people, every last person they pray to are dead!!! THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING!!! (Ecclesiastical 9:5). Jesus said He was and IS Lord of the Sabbath, (Matthew 12:8), but He’s talking about the 7th day Sabbath that many Sunday Christians call the Jewish Sabbath. It is not the Sabbath of the Jews. In the second book of Genesis it tells us that God rested on the 7th day and made it a holy rest day and family day just by resting on it!!! (Genesis 2:1-3). He did this long before any nation including the Jews ever existed! Anyway I suggest doing your own research on the history of the Sabbath. You can begin here if you like:
    The Great Controversy: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA5C7629D1527F981

  • Charles Chauveheid

    That it is time for faithfull Christians to gather and pray and seek GOD’s Face, because without a new outlpouring of HIS HOLY SPIRIT, we’re hopeless!

  • warriorbride

    First of all Catholics are NOT christian ok so you should of used another example of ISIS killing Christians and second no chaplins that were pastors would allow any HUMANISTS to be a secular HUMANISTS if they were truly a follower of Jesus !

  • warriorbride

    Catholics are NOT christians !

  • George

    I already gave you a reference, and you blew it off. You speak as an authority, but in reality you are extremely shallow in your understanding. Let not many of you be teachers, my brothers, knowing that we will receive heavier judgment. James 3:1 NHEB

  • Dana Chrisco Oyler

    I have read a large amount of the comments and everyone is getting off the main point. It’s time for testimonies, sharing the word, and try to inform our fellow man the end is fast approaching. As Christians we need to help spread the word of Jesus Christ. Tell people there has been a war since Lucifer was banished and even though God is the ultimate winner in this war, Satan is not going down without a fight and plans on taking as many souls as he can with him. I am not perfect by any means but I know what the bible says and I know without doubt the only way to enternal life is through Jesus Christ. Please let’s help lead more people to him instead of arguing among each other.