If Netanyahu Loses, You Can Blame Barack Obama

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Benjamin NetanyahuIt’s no secret that Barack Obama greatly dislikes Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.  But officially, Obama says that he is not trying to influence the outcome of the Israeli election.  Unfortunately, just like with so many other lies that Obama tells, that simply is not true.  A couple of months ago, it looked like Netanyahu was going to cruise to an easy victory in this election.  But then a flood of money and an army of Obama operatives started heading into Israel.  Now, the latest opinion polls project that Isaac Herzog’s Zionist Union will take 26 seats in the Knesset, and Netanyahu’s Likud Party is only being projected to take 22 seats.  Netanyahu is blaming this dramatic swing in the polls on an “international conspiracy“, but he won’t mention Obama by name.  However, anyone with half a brain can see what is happening.  Even CNN admits that “corks will be popping at the White House and State Department if Netanyahu loses”.

 

The leader of the army of Obama operatives that has gone over to Israel is named Jeremy Bird.  He was the national field director for Barack Obama’s 2012 presidential campaign.  And even though Netanyahu won’t point a finger directly at Barack Obama, he has been willing to single out the organization that Bird is working for

During the Tel Aviv rally Sunday, Netanyahu chided what he called funding “from abroad” of an activist group which has pushed for Netanyahu’s ouster. The group, V15, is working with Jeremy Bird, one of President Barack Obama’s former campaign strategists. Netanyahu, who has strong links to U.S. billionaire Sheldon Adelson, has attributed his drop in the polls to a “worldwide” conspiracy to oust him.

And of course there are lots of other Obama operatives working alongside Bird to oust Netanyahu.  In a previous article, I shared a list that had been compiled by WND

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Besides Bird, the 270 Strategies team includes the following former Obama staffers:

  • Mitch Steward, a 270 Strategies founding partner who helped the Obama campaign build what the U.K. Guardian called “a historic ground operation that will provide the model for political campaigns in America and around the world for years to come.”
  • Mark Beatty, a founding partner who served as deputy battleground states director for the Obama campaign. He had primary responsibility for Obama’s election plans for the battleground states.
  • Marlon Marshall, a founding partner at 270 Strategies who joins the team after holding several key positions in national Democratic politics, most recently as deputy national field director for the 2012 Obama campaign.
  • Betsy Hoover, a founding partner who served as director of digital organizing on the Obama campaign.
  • Meg Ansara, who served as national regional director for Obama for America where she was responsible for overseeing the 2012 programs in the Midwest and southern states.
  • Bridget Halligan, who served as the engagement program manager on the digital team of the 2012 Obama campaign.
  • Kate Catherall, who served as Florida deputy field director for Obama’s re-election campaign.
  • Alex Lofton, who most recently served as the GOTV director of Cleveland, Ohio, for the 2012 Obama campaign.
  • Martha Patzer, the firm’s vice president who served as deputy email director at Obama for America.
  • Jesse Boateng, who served as the Florida voter registration director for Obama’s re-election campaign.
  • Ashley Bryant, who served most recently as the Ohio digital director for the 2012 Obama campaign.
  • Max Clermont, who formerly served as a regional field director in Florida for Obama’s re-election campaign.
  • Max Wood, who served as a deputy data director in Florida for the 2012 Obama campaign.

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And it looks like a group that has been funded by the State Department may have been funneling money to these operatives.  In fact, a bipartisan Senate panel is now looking into these allegations

According to the source, the probe is looking into “funding” by OneVoice Movement – a Washington-based group that has received $350,000 in recent State Department grants, and until last November was headed by a veteran diplomat from the Clinton administrations.

A subsidiary of OneVoice is the Israel-based Victory 15 campaign, itself guided by top operatives of Obama’s White House runs, which seeks to “replace the government” of Israel.

“It’s confirmed that there is a bipartisan Permanent Subcommittee inquiry into OneVoice’s funding of V15,” the source said, speaking on condition of anonymity about the American group, which bills itself as working for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

There are a lot of reasons why Obama and his operatives want Netanyahu out.

But one of the core issues is that they believe that Netanyahu is the main barrier standing in the way of a Palestinian state.

If Isaac Herzog becomes the next prime minister, the outlook for negotiations with the Palestinians will change almost overnight.  The probability that Obama will be able to cement his “legacy” with a historic Middle East peace deal will go up dramatically.

On the other hand, if Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wins, he is already promising that there will not be a Palestinian state for as long as he is holding office

Faced with a tight race for his political life, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stepped up the nationalist rhetoric on the eve of parliamentary elections, vowing a Palestinian state will not be established on his watch if he’s re-elected.

In an interview published Monday in the NRG news website, Netahyahu said withdrawing from occupied areas to make way for a Palestinian state would only ensure that territory will be taken over by Islamic extremists. When asked if that means a Palestinian state will not be established if he is elected, Netanyahu said “indeed.”

And Netanyahu is pledging to do all that he can to keep Jerusalem undivided forever

“We will preserve Jerusalem’s unity in all its parts. We will continue to build and fortify Jerusalem so that its division won’t be possible and it will stay united forever,” Netanyahu said. “Likud’s victory is the only thing that can ensure the continuation of a national leadership and will prevent the establishment of a left-wing government.”

Needless to say, what Netanyahu wants is the exact opposite of what Barack Obama wants.

Now we have reached a moment of truth.  What happens in this election is going to have enormous implications for Israel, the Palestinians, the United States and the entire planet.

It might be the most important Israeli election in at least 40 years, and in the end the final outcome may be tipped one way by Obama and his minions.

   
  • GetReal4U2

    sadly, most here in America don’t even realize how important this is…

    • Jim Davis

      It is only important because of AIPAC ownership of our govenment. You can bet Mossad has plenty of compromising evidence on the right people too. If it weren’t for that then Israel would be just another small country. Israel has less people than the state of Virginia. We don’t make that big a deal over Virginia’s elections.

      • Dude….Don’t fall for main stream….Its all Lies…We need to expose the shadow rulers of the world…who are using extreme high technology teaming up with Aliens to screw humanity…

        Its pretty much guaranteed, all these so called enemies of Obama will continue to occupy high position like Putin, Assad, and now Nethanyahu….

        • Jim Davis

          The reptilians?

      • Debbie Henderson

        You could be right about AIPAC. American Jews want Israelis to accept a Pal-terror-State. They are not interested in Israelis’ security, only in maintaining their power and position in the US. If Israel had any power at all over America, we would have got Pollard back long, long ago. In fact, he would never have faced a day in prison at all – certainly not 30 years and still counting!

        However, Israel never has been “just another small country.” The historic importance of its geographic location saw to that and now that huge natural gas deposits are being discovered…

        • Jim Davis

          Some of us don’t buy the chosen people malarkey. But don’t worry, there are plenty of goy sheep who still do. The evangelicals on this site are proof.

          As for Pollard he should never have faced a day in prison. He should have got the firing squad.

  • Willdactyl

    When Obama is thrown out of the WH, he will be a shoe in for the remake of Despicable Me.

    • LOL…There is NO POWER IN WHITE HOUSE…Its just a show for the sheeps….The real power is not in white house wake up

      • Willdactyl

        Yep you are funny.

        • Not that funny as rigged elections and people believing there vote actually matters :)

          • Willdactyl

            Not as funny as really bad conspiracy fakers.

          • or Ignorant sheeple who believe in lies not conspiracy

          • Willdactyl

            You believe in conspiracies?
            Lololololol lololololol lol…

  • jared thompson

    Israel is a spiritual group of people, not a Rothschild-funded country of Canaanite-Edomites (enemies of israel) using banking usury to destroy whites and the globe.

    and the six pointed star is of Moloch (Satan) as has been repeatedly proven.

    • Willdactyl

      Do you really believe that cammelldung?

      • jsmith

        Are you afraid of dissenting opinions that differ from yours?

        • Willdactyl

          Is that how you feel because I assure you that I am nothing like you.

    • jsmith

      I’m in the last chapter of a book I found on the web called “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed. Very illuminating and exhaustive masterpiece of the last 200-300 years. The truth is out there if one looks for it. You won’t find it in your library or CNBC.

  • Kent Harris

    Obama needs to face a military tribunal for treason. Once he is found guilty he would be put in front of a firing squad. We need to chop off the head of this evil serpent.

    • kfilly

      Obama is not the head. He is stooge for the real men in charge. Look no further then our very own Federal Reserve Bank. Those are the tyrants that usurped our government.

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      Amen!

      Obama did commit treason on many occasions. But he needs to face a firing squad AFTER a trial and the jury decides that as a punishment. We are a nation of laws.

      • Gay Veteran

        We’re a nation of laws?
        ROFLOL
        how many Wall Street banksters have been sent to jail for the massive fraud they committed?

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          Deflecting the question again. And we are a nation of laws despite how many bakeries and pizzerias your lot targets for libel and smearing.

          • Gay Veteran

            so using your “logic” then someone who hates Blacks can use their religion to refuse them service

    • lol…You have then really no idea what America is….Obama has as much power as a person who does LIKES in facebook :)

      • Maybe he listens to corporate radio talkers like Michael Savage. blaming everything on obama/liberals/democrats

    • Gay Veteran

      I hate Obama but what foreign power is he helping?
      unlike a lot of American politicians who seem to put Israel first

      • guest

        You hate obama because he won’t go 50 shades of grey on you.
        You are fooling no one.
        Your lust for obama runs deep.

        • Gay Veteran

          and your obsession with gays runs deep

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Where did anything (s)he said have anything to do with gays?

          • Gay Veteran

            still got reading comprehension problems, eh.
            hard left? you are so retarded

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            hard left? you are so retarded
            ….said the imbecile that hasn’t yet found a hard left position he won’t foam at the mouth about.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey junior, tell everybody here PRECISELY what “hard left positions” I support.

            put up or shut up

  • jsmith

    I don’t particularly like Obama, but I truly detest Nutanyahoo. If the latter gets reelected, there will never be peace in the Middle East and there will be forever wars for the United States. Prepare more body bags.

    • Debbie Henderson

      Endless concessions do not provoke peacemaking. If the US would get out of this business and stop trying to micro-manage here, peace could be achieved.

      • iris

        All Israel’s enemies understand is force. They see concessions, compromise and gestures of peace, including free electricity, etc., as signs of weakness, nothing more, and take advantage of the gullibility and herd mentality facilitated by the main stream media’s obvious lies.

      • Gay Veteran

        you mean endless land stealing

        • guest

          How can they steal that which is theirs ?

          • Gay Veteran

            who knew the Bible was a land deed!
            written by the grantees of course

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You’re right, they’re not stealing the land. The Hebrews, especially the Jews, have repeatedly purchased the land over and over and over again. The last time was during WWII when the Jewish citizens of Britain exchanged the land for several million pounds to help with the British war effort. The rest of the land was won from the Egyptians and Jordanians after Israel was attacked. It’s already paid for, again and again.

          • Gay Veteran

            they stole it in the very beginning

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Delusional response from you; as usual.

          • Gay Veteran

            in other words you got NOTHING

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            In other words, I don’t give a care about your views. And I’m not here to feed your narcissism or whatever’s messed up in your head. Now piss off; I’m busy.

          • Gay Veteran

            let me translate your trollspeak:
            I got my but t spanked

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You’re mentally disturbed. Get help.

          • Gay Veteran

            typical extremist, accusing your opponents of being mentally disturbed

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwww, little baby going to take his toy and run home to mommy

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Yeah, you’re insane. And typical.

          • Gay Veteran

            run along little BOY

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            No I won’t run along, little girl. You contacted me. Militants (yourself included) need to challenged, confronted, denounced, investigated, and so on. You and your lot are harming people, not for defense, but for gain. There’s plenty of evidence that this is an insurrection.

            It’s over. The media will not be a problem as they’re hemorrhaging funds and loosing viewers, along with plenty of folks no longer believe yours or their lies. Anytime a militant gets violent here a lot of folks have concealed weapons permits and pack heat – our police have been busy. You’ve already lost this insurrection. And when you militants start the hot war we already have the means to fight and win; you’re outnumbered with no outside allies – no foreign nation will come to your aid. For goodness sakes, state and federal health departments and UNWHO are tracking you and as many LGBT folks as they can trying to minimize STD’s among the general population! I provided evidence of this months ago. If they think you’re health threat, they’ll round you all up! Support an insurrection? No, they won’t.

            And if you think the LGBT community in Utah will fight on your side, guess again. They already went too far and made A LOT of enemies – recently their leadership sued for peace. The LDS Church and other religious denominations, State of Utah, and LGBT leaders worked out policy to support both religious rights and allow LGBT folks some marginal protections. The LDS Church called the meeting as the State was going to prosecute the LGBT folks harshly, The LGBT folks were assaulting people both verbally and physically, Utahns are really pissed off the Feds burned our rights to create your side’s excess privileges, and both Utahns and LGBT people were going for their guns. I’m glad the Church got this peace; we don’t need civil war here.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Militants (yourself included) need to challenged, confronted, denounced, investigated, and so on. You and your lot are harming people, not for defense, but for gain. There’s plenty of evidence that this is an insurrection….”

            oh yes, because fighting for equal rights make you a “militant”. Incredibly interesting comment coming from someone whose religion is protected.

            “…Anytime a militant gets violent here a lot of folks have concealed weapons permits and pack heat – our police have been busy. You’ve already lost this insurrection. And when you militants start the hot war we already have the means to fight and win….”

            WOW, the only person here threatening violence is YOU.

            “…For goodness sakes, state and federal health departments and UNWHO are tracking you and as many LGBT folks as they can trying to minimize STD’s among the general population! I provided evidence of this months ago. If they think you’re health threat, they’ll round you all up!….”

            psssst, hey Einstein, the health department tracks everybody with a STD, including YOU heterosexuals.

            “…The LDS Church and other religious denominations, State of Utah, and LGBT leaders worked out policy to support both religious rights and allow LGBT folks some marginal protections….”

            hmmmmm, seems like they won a partial victory, with total victory soon to come from the U.S. Supreme Court.

            “…The LDS Church called the meeting as the State was going to prosecute the LGBT folks harshly, The LGBT folks were assaulting people both verbally and physically….”

            I’m sure you find any Gay demanding legal equality to be “verbally abusive”. And ANYONE physically attacking people should be punished.

            “…Utahns are really pissed off the Feds burned our rights to create your side’s excess privileges….”

            WHAT excess privileges??? The SAME privileges YOU have?

        • Debbie Henderson

          No, I mean finally claiming what was already ours once and for all, disabusing these animals of any notion that they have what to gain from acts of terrorism and expelling all enemy combatants, never to return.

          • Gay Veteran

            who knew the Bible was a land deed, written by the grantees

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          And how many pizzeria’s and bakeries have you threatened and maligned into shutting down?

          • Gay Veteran

            who knew making a pizza or baking a cake was a religious activity

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            It is when you’re trying to use someone’s 1st Amendment rights as a weapon in the courts. How many people were intimidated not to shop at those places when your media called them bigots and activists such as yourself publish the names of the bakery or pizzeria patrons? That is truly sick when freedom is bastardized to justify your need to harm people.

          • Gay Veteran

            using your “logic”, a person who hates Blacks can use his religion to deny them service.
            but I have a solution for you: TRUTH in advertising! don’t want to bake a cake for two men getting married? then post a sign in your store window saying “we refuse to bake a cake for 2 men getting married”

    • Dude..He will and He is….Elections are all rigged…

    • Rufus T Firefly

      There have been wars in the Middle East since the time of Abraham. There will be wars in the Middle East as long as there are people

    • guest

      They’ll have peace when Jesus returns. In the meantime, it’s good, for them, that they reelected BiBi.

  • Israeli Woman

    Voice on the ground for those interested: The people perceive Netanyahu as too middle of the road. Israel is moving right in the perception of the people, so if enough have their head straight to not believe the propaganda we have been overwhelmed with in the last days you will see a move to the right of Netanyahu- meaning Naftali Bennet and many have hopes that Eli Yishai and Baruch Marzel will make it into the coalition.
    The problem is we have been overwhelmed, and I mean overwhelmed with US taxpayer funded opinion manipulation techniques in the last weeks. Yep, millions of dollars and you funded it without even knowing anything about it. Israel’s elections are not affairs like in the US, we don’t have the advertising campaigns that you do, it is usually a very straightforward affair- you like a candidate, you vote for his party, you don’t, then you don’t.
    There have been the most obnoxious ads I have ever seen here, with no identifying info as to who is paying for them, that show common folk complaining about various things (how the price of food has risen, the price of housing, the international business, etc, etc- basically the same problems the rest of the world is facing…) and then emphatically concluding at the end- “It’s Netanyahu, these problems are since he has been in office…Netanyahu MUST go.” and the spouse looks very solemnly at the other, nods and reiterates emphatically and sadly, “Yes, he MUST GO.”
    The polls have been obviously rigged. I know many people who have been contacted by the polls and when they answer with “Yachad” (not even an option given to them in the form they were asked- Yachad is Eli Yishai/Baruch Marzel’s party) the pollster doesn’t seem to know what to do with the answer. Not surprisingly, Yachad has not even ranked on any of the official “polls” even though everyone I know will be voting for them.
    Another thing you should know about our voting system. We have many parties. You can form a party at a drop of a hat. Many of these parties don’t meet the threshold to get in the Knesset, and even if they do they don’t make up the coalition that is then formed…so if you want your vote to count you tend to vote for the winning horse so that your vote in the end is wasted. That means that polls influence people. A LOT. And there is no oversight there, so you have a huge manipulation tool when you fudge the results. If people perceive that no one will vote for Yachad, then they won’t either- so their vote won’t get wasted.
    The manipulation has been intense. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it here…I could go on. US taxpayer funds are also being used to bus in arabs and left wingers to the polls, to get voter participation up on those sectors- but not in the right wing sector…etc…YOUR tax dollars…
    In short, let’s hope that we don’t succumb to the illusion that has been created on the ground here in the last weeks, that the people don’t support a firm government- because de facto: they overwhelmingly do. Our only enemy today is indifference do to the feeling that our votes won’t count. They do.

    • Israeli Woman

      Correction: “so if you want your vote to count you tend to vote for the winning horse so that your vote in the end is NOT wasted” and “Our only enemy today is indifference DUE to the feeling that our votes won’t count.”

    • Debbie Henderson

      Excellent analysis. I got that same response when I told a pollster I was voting Yachad (as well as everyone I know). Fortunately, we are not a stupid people and not so easily manipulated – not like what they are used to anyway. I was frankly insulted and disgusted by whoever decided to publicize Netanyahu endorsements by US actors Jon Voight and Chuck Norris. Why should Israelis care what US actors think? Apparently, they’ve drunk their own kool-aid and think if it works in the US, it will work in Israel. Well, we are not Little America! I can’t stand Bibi Netanyahu and I don’t trust him. But, his opponent is worse, so….

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      Our tax dollars being wasted for Obama’s “me party” yet again. Trillions in debt, and he’s manipulating a foreign election!

      Bibi won, though! :)

    • Gay Veteran

      can you send back OUR tax dollars going to the Israeli government?

      • Debbie Henderson

        See my answer elsewhere. Oh, and you might want to send a bill to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, ….

        • Gay Veteran

          better yet, WE need to stop sending our tax dollars to foreign countries, period

          • Debbie Henderson

            Agreed!

    • ??

      Could this US-paid thing be just a trick to get Netanyahu re-elected over Naftali Bennet?

  • Dawn Walker

    If Netanyahu loses, Americans had better repent and get on their knees-fast!

    • Debbie Henderson

      Netanyahu is a CFR lackey. He gets his instructions from the same people that Obama does. My sources tell me that the whole controversy between Obama and Netanyahu is scripted – fake.

    • Jim Davis

      How about all of you evangelicals move to Israel and fight it’s wars? The rest of us (in the rational majority) are tired of the necons and of this country’s military being Israel’s mercenary force.

      And good riddance to Nut-tan-yahoo!

      • Dawn Walker

        I’m not an evangelical.
        Read God’s Word, and you will know what is going on. Those nations who turn their back on Israel!!! Our Country hangs in the balance…Woe.
        Pray! Pray like the lives of your children depend on it!
        Because they do! Pray!

        • Gay Veteran

          sorry, but I don’t want OUR tax dollars going to ANY foreign government

      • Mike

        This country was founded by Evangelical (Biblical) principles. So why don’t you atheists move to Iran where Jesus is absent for the most part and see how much you like it. Israel is our ally, the only democracy in the middle east.

        • Evan

          Why are those who claim to be so patriotic are always the first to throw out the first amendment. It established freedom of religion and freedom from religion. My god, your pledge of allegiance states “one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”. I quote the original, since “under god” was only added to the pledge in 1954 to differentiate us from the USSR and the ‘godless commies’.

          • Tomato Cain

            What constitution are you talking about, Evan? It is not the U.S. Constitution; I can tell you that for certain.

        • Jobe

          Actually Turkey very comes close to resembling a western democracy and separating religion from state.

        • Gay Veteran

          “This country was founded by Evangelical (Biblical) principles….”
          like “witch” burning?

          • guest

            At least we don’t stone homo’s, although we should.
            The vitriol that you regularly spew demonstrates who would be burning witches.

          • Gay Veteran

            better than the bigoted sh* t you spew

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwwww, maybe you need to go join your kindred spirits in ISIS

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You’re gonna have to founders’ philosophy on witch burning.
            Oh wait, you were just flapping your gums with spittle and nonsense.

          • Gay Veteran

            just can’t read, can you?

            Mike wrote: “This country was founded by Evangelical (Biblical) principles….”

            October 31, 2012
            Before Salem, the First American Witch Hunt
            By Christopher Klein

            Thirty years before the infamous Salem witch trials, America’s first witch hunt hysteria swept through another colonial New England town. Find out about the accusations and trials that rattled Hartford, Connecticut, 350 years ago.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            What year were those trials and what year was the country founded?
            In other words, the founding of the country had not a damned thing to do with witch trials…. you blithering idiot.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh, so the Puritans had nothing to do with America.

            you a f-ing genius.

            and since you’re sooooooooo smart, explain how “This country was founded by Evangelical (Biblical) principles….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            The Puritans founded America? Oh do so cite that book please. I’m interested in where you got your idiotically false grasp of history. Must’ve been Howard Zinn, the commie.

          • Gay Veteran

            Religion and the Founding of the American Republic
            America as a Religious Refuge: The Seventeenth Century, Part 1

            “…Crossing the Ocean to Keep the Faith: The Puritans

            Puritans were English Protestants who wished to reform and purify the Church of England of what they considered to be unacceptable residues of Roman Catholicism. In the 1620s leaders of the English state and church grew increasingly unsympathetic to Puritan demands. They insisted that the Puritans conform to religious practices that they abhorred, removing their ministers from office and threatening them with “extirpation from the earth” if they did not fall in line. Zealous Puritan laymen received savage punishments. For example, in 1630 a man was sentenced to life imprisonment, had his property confiscated, his nose slit, an ear cut off, and his forehead branded “S.S.” (sower of sedition).

            Beginning in 1630 as many as 20,000 Puritans emigrated to America from England to gain the liberty to worship God as they chose. Most settled in New England, but some went as far as the West Indies. Theologically, the Puritans were “non-separating Congregationalists.” Unlike the Pilgrims, who came to Massachusetts in 1620, the Puritans believed that the Church of England was a true church, though in need of major reforms. Every New England Congregational church was considered an independent entity, beholden to no hierarchy. The membership was composed, at least initially, of men and women who had undergone a conversion experience and could prove it to other members. Puritan leaders hoped (futilely, as it turned out) that, once their experiment was successful, England would imitate it by instituting a church order modeled after the New England Way….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I’m wondering why you felt the need to copy and paste a piece of the history of the Puritans instead of actually answering my questions.
            Ok, for those that are interested, since the imbecile opened his mouth and removed all doubt.
            The Salem witch trials were an approximate 1 year span of time from Feb 1692 – May 1693. The founding of this country was formalized between 1789 – 1791 (when the Bill of Rights were ratified).
            In other words, there was not a single Founding Father alive when the Puritans did that and the superstition of the witch trials has ZILCH to do with the founding of the country.
            As usual GayImbecile was just spitting all over his screen.

          • Gay Veteran

            guess you didn’t read even the title:

            Religion and the Founding of the American Republic
            America as a Religious Refuge: The Seventeenth Century, Part 1

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Shhhh, the Salem witch trials were 100 years before America’s founding.

            You’re gonna have to do better than that to get those Founding Father quotes on burning witches a$$wipe.

          • Gay Veteran

            can you read?
            Tocqueville’s Puritans: Christianity and the American Founding

            Sanford Kessler

            “Tocqueville considered the Puritans America’s FOUNDERS because of their formative influence on America’s national character….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ya I got it. You’re going to point to anything you can google with the words ‘founders’ and ‘puritans’. Sorry idiot, the Puritans are not the Founding Fathers and you still haven’t come close to citing Founding Fathers and witch burning.

          • Gay Veteran

            AGAIN, can you read?

            Tocqueville’s Puritans: Christianity and the American Founding

            Sanford Kessler

            “Tocqueville considered the Puritans America’s FOUNDERS because of their formative influence on America’s national character….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I can repeat myself too.

            Ya I got it. You’re going to point to anything you can google with the words ‘founders’ and ‘puritans’.

            Sorry idiot, the Puritans are not the FOUNDING FATHERS and you still haven’t come close to citing the Founding Fathers and their take on witch burning.

            Please, when you finally decide to get there, elaborate on the 4th and 8th amendments and how they mesh with burning people at the stake.

          • Gay Veteran

            maybe the problem is that you don’t know who Tocqueville was:

            “French sociologist and political theorist Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) traveled to the United States in 1831 to study its prisons and returned with a wealth of broader observations that he codified in “Democracy in America” (1835), one of the most influential books of the 19th century. With its trenchant observations on equality and individualism, Tocqueville’s work remains a valuable explanation of America to Europeans and of Americans to themselves.”

            so AGAIN:

            Tocqueville’s Puritans: Christianity and the American Founding

            Sanford Kessler

            “Tocqueville considered the Puritans America’s FOUNDERS because of their formative influence on America’s national character….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You mean aside form pointing out that he was Frenchman born after this country’s founding?

            So that’s a no, you’re not going to back up your assertion and going to change the subject instead.
            Cite how you burn a witch when you write the 4th and 8th amendments. And then go ahead and get back to the Founding Fathers and witch burning. I’m dying to hear what you have to say on that.

          • Gay Veteran

            guess you have a problem with the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Interesting that you’re pointing to a Frenchman that wasn’t even born at the county’s founding. Which was 1789-1791 BTW, not in the 1600s as you keep trying to cite.

          • Gay Veteran

            too bad you don’t know who Tocqueville was:

            “French sociologist and political theorist Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) traveled to the United States in 1831 to study its prisons and returned with a wealth of broader observations that he codified in “Democracy in America” (1835), one of the most influential books of the 19th century. With its trenchant observations on equality and individualism, Tocqueville’s work remains a valuable explanation of America to Europeans and of Americans to themselves.”

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Can you cite who today considers this country’s founding fathers to include Puritans and the founding of this country as some time in the 1600s…”
            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Again, point to FOUNDING FATHERS. You keep doing everything you can not to back up your assertion.

          • Gay Veteran

            amazing, you ask a question and then get your answer and you still don’t get it
            with you it’s like talking with a retarded 2 year old
            don’t you have some Japanese war crimes to deny?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            amazing, you actually believe the puritans founded America.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            bald faced lies.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Gee I guess you didn’t read what you copied and pasted.
            Religion is undeniably part of America’s founding. Your task was to prove that the religious philosophy of the Founding Fathers had something to do with burning witches. You know, what you were foaming at the mouth about.
            You’re gonna have to work really hard at proving the Founding Fathers had nothing to do with the fourth and eighth amendments though, junior Einstein.

          • Gay Veteran

            Tocqueville’s Puritans: Christianity and the American Founding

            Sanford Kessler

            “Tocqueville considered the Puritans America’s FOUNDERS because of their formative influence on America’s national character….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So that’s a no.

          • Gay Veteran

            gee, from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            no. Just no.
            Have a good one. Smoke a pole. Maybe that’ll help you with all that spittle.

          • Gay Veteran

            First Founders: American Puritans and Puritanism in an Atlantic World (New England in the World) Hardcover – May 8, 2012
            by Francis J. Bremer

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh ok, so not the founding of America. Noticed that you’re googling anything and everything you can to come up with the most specious link you can. Ph uck ing imbecile.

          • Gay Veteran

            as usual you are incapable of rebutting evidence so you like a 2 year old child.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You have yet to cite evidence. I take it you’re not going to.

          • Gay Veteran

            I’ve given you evidence. You just don’t like it.

            and what does Evangelical (Biblical) principles have to do with the 4th amendment? or the 8th amendment?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So that’s a no, you’re not going to back up your assertion and going to change the subject instead.
            Cite how you burn a witch when you write the 4th and 8th amendments. And then go ahead and get back to the Founding Fathers and witch burning. I’m dying to hear what you have to say on that.

          • Gay Veteran

            AGAIN, since you’re sooooooooo smart, explain how “This country was founded by Evangelical (Biblical) principles….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You mean other than the majority of the Founding Fathers (ummm, those aren’t the Puritans in case you wanted to recite that lie again) were pastors?

            So that’s a no, you got nothing and were just foaming at the mouth.

          • Gay Veteran

            so the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were written by pastors? who knew!

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            LMFAO! Apparently you don’t know that Founding Fathers includes the people that debated the constitution while you were trying to lie.

            You’ll note I didn’t say those pastors “WROTE” the Constitution, liar.

            Oh, those people STILL aren’t the Puritans in case you wanted to get back to trying to prove the founding fathers’ take on burning witches and how that meshes with the 4th and 8th amendments.
            I can remind you all damned day that you’re lying and trying to change the subject.

          • Gay Veteran

            STILL waiting on you to explain away Tocqueville:

            Tocqueville’s Puritans: Christianity and the American Founding

            Sanford Kessler

            “Tocqueville considered the Puritans America’s FOUNDERS because of their formative influence on America’s national character….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Already pointed him out. Frenchman. Not involved in the Founding.
            Now you. Get back to the Founding Fathers and witch burning now. Still waiting to hear about the 4th and 8th amendments and witch burning.
            Any day you wanna cover that without repeating Tocqueville’s opinion on Puritans, who actually preceeded the founding by 100 years.
            Just admit you’re an anti-American idiot and were blathering at the mouth.

          • Gay Veteran

            still can’t read, eh

            and you’re just foaming at the butt as usual, the orrifice you speak out of

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So that’s a no, you’re not going to back up your assertion and going to change the subject instead.

          • Gay Veteran

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So that’s a no, you’re not going to back up your assertion.
            I think we’re done here.

          • Gay Veteran

            translation from little Malcolm retardese: I just got my b utt whipped, AGAIN

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            wishful thinking.

          • Gay Veteran

            “… Ph uck ing imbecile.”
            see you’re stuttering like a retarded 2 year old

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Nah, it was to get back the censorship so I could remind you of what a dolt you are.

          • Gay Veteran

            dolt? you must be looking into a mirror

          • Gay Veteran

            First Founders: American Puritans and Puritanism in an Atlantic World (New England in the World) Hardcover – May 8, 2012
            by Francis J. Bremer

          • Gay Veteran

            as if you know who Tocqueville is:

            Tocqueville’s Puritans: Christianity and the American Founding

            Sanford Kessler

            “Tocqueville considered the Puritans America’s founders because of their formative influence on America’s national character….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So that’s a no, you have nothing on the founding fathers burning witches. It’s just your typical smearing and low info leftist propaganda about the founders and the founding principles.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Amazing how you cite such a small amount and make claims that the authors entire text doesn’t support!

          • Gay Veteran

            can you read?!?!?!?!?

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You wasted so much of your life proving my point that you must get the last word in (a narcissistic tendency), and going off with such anger and resentment in desperate, futile attempts to find fault in my conclusions… and yet, I’m not angry nor resentful. Guess the old wisdom is true – a person can only get angry at someone they respect.

          • Gay Veteran

            your hypocrisy is truly incredible.
            sounds like you are talking to a mirror

          • Gay Veteran

            says the boy of low moral character who lies about my views of abortion

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            I’ll respond to your insanity when I have time – too busy enjoying the great life the good Lord remade for me!

          • Gay Veteran

            yawn

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Your views are abortion is good. Abortion kills a child incubating in the mother. That is murder – you’re supporting murder of people you don’t want. Read your own question about how many babies a person adopts.

          • Gay Veteran

            see, there you go with your lies again.
            I never said abortion was “good”, but unlike you I do not want to turn women into slaves.
            and how many unwanted children have you adopted again?

        • Jim Davis

          Iran has many moonbats religious cuckoo birds like you. You have a lot in common with Iranian moonbats.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Iran has many moonbats religious cuckoo birds like you.
            Interesting that your president loves them so much then, huh.

      • guest

        How about all you obama worshippers move to iran.

        • Jim Davis

          Please turn off Limbaugh, Beck, O’reilly and Hannity.

    • Dawn Walker

      Soften your stony hearts.

  • Debbie Henderson

    I am a voting Israeli and I can tell you that the country is swinging far right. If the election goes left, it can only mean one thing – it was rigged.

    • K

      Just a thought. Since it has been revealed that foreign money is against Netanyahu. Might that not be the very thing that gets him elected?

      • K

        Part 2. How many think the U.S. are such idiots. They could not have inserted the monies against Netanyahu, without getting caught? Or was the whole purpose, to be caught doing it? You have just seen how an election, is manipulated.

        • Debbie Henderson

          Agreed and don’t forget the polls showing Likud down four seats and suddenly it gains eleven overnight???!

    • All elections are rigged and this dude will be around..

    • Gay Veteran

      can you send OUR tax dollars back?

      • guest

        Why don’t you whine to your fantasy lover obama, for spending them to defeat BiBi ?

        • Gay Veteran

          hey junior, I oppose Obama…..and Bush…..and Clinton

          • Debbie Henderson

            You already got it back. As per agreement, all monies loaned by US govt. must be spent on (crappy) US goods (which are probably just re-routed from China). Listen, there’s nothing I (and many, many other Israelis) want more than to see American “aid” cut off. It’s a bribe – a “carrot” – used to force us into positions we really don’t want to be in. It starts just like a drug dealer – free sample and then when you’re good and hooked and “dependent”, they’ve got you for life. The US has done this all over the world just for their own control. They’re “getting” much more than they’re “giving” and they know it. It’s why it’s such a popular program. It gets results! But, like any “addict”, Israel can beat this habit. All it takes is an independent leader – not CFR sycophants like Bibi Netanyahu or Shimon Peres and their ilk.

          • Gay Veteran

            well maybe you Israelis need to stand on your own 2 feet and refuse the money, and the weapons.

            WE need to bring the troops home,
            seal our borders,
            rebuild America,
            NO foreign entanglements

          • Debbie Henderson

            We don’t get what we want for the same reason you don’t get what you want. People with a LOT of power have taken over both our countries by putting in puppet leaders and by controlling others who are corrupt. They’re flooding your country with illegals from Mexico and they’re flooding ours with Eritreans and Sudanese from Africa.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            It’s just their policies you love.

          • Gay Veteran

            hmmmmmmmmmmmm, you talking about Obama or Bush?
            obamacare? no
            war against Syria? no
            staging a coup in Ukraine? no
            war against Iraq? no
            torture? no

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh look, anti-war. Your basic hard left, fist pumping position.

            Name the person that never once disagreed with a politician, whose policies they generally love.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, tell everybody here PRECISELY which policies of Obama and Bush and Clinton that I support.

            put up or shut up

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            List out all the idiotic bull squeeze you’ve spouted on this site.

            FORCING people of conscience to serve gay marriages and unlimited, unregulated abortion, are two off the top of my head. Go down your list schmuck. You’re so confident you’re not hard left, lets not rely on my memory of your blathering over the past few years.
            Like you said, put up or shut up. Ball’s in your court, jethro.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…FORCING people of conscience to serve gay marriages….”

            didn’t realize baking a cake was a religious practice

            “…unlimited, unregulated abortion…”

            LIAR. I have never supported that.

            and AGAIN:
            obamacare? no
            war against Syria? no
            staging a coup in Ukraine? no
            war against Iraq? no
            torture? no

            I’ll even add some more:
            “free trade” agreements? NO
            bailing out the banksters? NO
            deregulating banks? NO
            deregulating media? NO

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            anti-war fist pumper – check
            unlimited abortion – check
            forcing people to serve gays – check
            using left wing code words like ‘deregulating’ and ‘torture’- check.
            Please, keep going.

          • Gay Veteran

            man you love you some strawmen.

            “anti-war fist pumper – check”

            the only war we should be in is if our country is in immediate danger

            “…unlimited abortion – check”

            LIAR

            “forcing people to serve gays – check”

            hey, I’m for forcing people to serve them darkies too, you f-ing retard

            “anti-bankster – check”

            oh, guess that make you PRO-bankster. who else is anti-bankster? libertarian Karl Denninger, conservative Paul Craig Roberts, etc.

            “unionist – check”

            yeah, there’s needs to be a counterweight to korporate power, but I guess you’re too stone cold stupid to understand that

            “using left wing code words like ‘deregulating’ and ‘torture’ and ‘banksters’- check.”

            well let’s see, who started deregulating the banks? that would be Slick Willie Clinton who the liberals love

            torture? George Washington opposed it, as did Ronald Reagan

            bankster? libertarian Karl Denninger, conservative Paul Craig Roberts, etc.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            LOL! Thanks for the confirmation with the side dish of mouth foam.

          • Gay Veteran

            well let’s see, I addressed the following points YOU brought up:

            “anti-war fist pumper – check”

            the only war we should be in is if our country is in immediate danger, but I guess you just want to spend $TRILLIONS on the Pentagon while America crumbles

            “…unlimited abortion – check”

            LIAR, period.

            “forcing people to serve gays – check”

            hey, I’m for forcing people to serve them darkies too, you f-ing retard

            “anti-bankster – check”

            oh, guess that make you PRO-bankster!
            who else is anti-bankster? libertarian Karl Denninger, conservative Paul Craig Roberts, etc.

            “unionist – check”

            yeah, there’s needs to be a counterweight to korporate power, but I guess you’re too stone cold stupid to understand that

            “using left wing code words like ‘deregulating’ and ‘torture’ and ‘banksters’- check.”

            well let’s see, who started deregulating the banks? that would be Slick Willie Clinton who the liberals love

            torture? George Washington opposed it, as did Ronald Reagan

            bankster? see libertarian Karl Denninger, conservative Paul Craig Roberts, etc.

            AS FOR THE REST?

            “Get into Palestinians and Israel, occupy wall street (I forgot about that one – you’re an occutard), redistribution of wealth, your favorite politicans.”

            I do not want OUR tax dollars going to ANY foreign country, we have enough problems here at home.

            Occupy Wall Street? oh yeah, the people speaking out about the plutocrats destroying this country (but I guess you like millions of American jobs being shipped to China, India, Vietnam, Mexico, etc)

            redistribution of wealth? NO, we need JOBS so people can support themselves.

            GOT ANY MORE STRAWMEN?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ummmm, you’ve got a few half truths/deflections in there and several confirmations of what I’ve said. Thanks moron.

          • Gay Veteran

            in other words you got NOTHING.
            like I said, you’re a LIAR

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You’ve agreed to numerous hard left positions and deflected several. How is it I’ve got nothing, imbecile?
            Any time you wanna get back to the Founding Fathers and witch burning. Tocqueville, after the founding. Puritans, long before. So witch burning, the 4th and 8th amendments. Go for it.

          • Gay Veteran

            we can assume the following about YOU:

            you want to spend $TRILLIONS on the Pentagon while America crumbles

            you oppose abortion, thereby turning women into slaves
            you want second class status for gays (and other minorities?)

            you support the banksters

            “anti-bankster – check”

            you oppose unions and support fascist multinational corporations

            you supported deregulating the banks
            you want OUR tax dollars going to Israel and other foreign countries
            you support the plutocrats destroying this country and don’t give a rat’s a ** about millions of American jobs being shipped to China, India, Vietnam, Mexico, etc)

          • Gay Veteran

            waterboarding?

            you’re too f-ing stupid to know that we executed Japanese for waterboarding American soldiers

            ” … following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding.”

            — John McCain on Thursday, November 29th, 2007 in a campaign event in St. Petersburg

            and George Washington?

            “Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.” – George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775…

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            you’re too f-ing stupid to know that we executed Japanese for waterboarding American soldiers

            We executed Japanese soldiers, women and children for being Japanese. Sometimes even on the battlefield. You’ve parroted a left wing talking point (Oh look, a hard left winger) while providing no proof that anyone was executed solely for waterboarding. Get back to me when you can.

            base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]
            So, no burning witches? no, pouring water over faces. You’re going to have to cite that because they treated prisoners FAR worse than waterboarding back then. Get back to me when you have that.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh I get it now, you’re a historical revisionist, America never opposed torture like waterboarding.
            you are off your meds!

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So that’s a no, you got nothing, LIAR.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…We did much worse in WWII….”

            oh I get it, you think there’s some moral equivalence between Imperial Japanese troops and American troops

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ummm no, you tried lying about waterboarding in WWII.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh so now you deny it even happened!

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh good grief.
            You know the conversation is over when a libtard devolves into babbling like that.

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re the poster child of tertiary syphilis, it has rotted your brain

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            And this one! You sent me this exact one! Not only insane, but very hackneyed…

          • Gay Veteran

            hackneyed?
            awwwwwwww, it’s always cute when a troll learns a new word to throw around

          • Gay Veteran

            let me translate your trollspeak:
            I got my but t whipped again

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Hey – you sent me this EXACT post about trollspeak several days ago! You’re using cut-and-paste insults!! HA!

          • Gay Veteran

            and the point remains

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Thanks Mal! Very entertaining!

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Lol. Good grief, after talking to that idiot, I always come away feeling dumber for wasting my time.

          • Gay Veteran

            ROFLOL, you come away from ANY conversation feeling dumber

          • Gay Veteran

            war crime denier

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            LOL! Democrat.

            Meanwhile, you pointed to people executed for war crimes, imbecile.

            Get back to me when you can point to the person “executed for waterboarding”.

          • Gay Veteran

            there you go again!
            lying again!
            I’m not either a democrat or republican
            man, you’re just a pathological liar

          • Gay Veteran

            so no Japanese were tried for waterboarding at a war crimes tribunal?
            see, there’s that historical revisionism again.
            nobody died in the concentration camps too?

          • Gay Veteran

            democrat?
            see, there you go with your lies again

          • Gay Veteran

            Ronald Reagan

            Message to the Senate Transmitting the Convention Against Torture and Inhuman Treatment or Punishment
            May 20, 1988

            To the Senate of the United States:

            With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, subject to certain reservations, understandings, and declarations, I transmit herewith the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. The Convention was adopted by unanimous agreement of the United Nations General Assembly on December 10, 1984, and entered into force on June 26, 1987. The United States signed it on April 18, 1988. I also transmit, for the information of the Senate, the report of the Department of State on the Convention.

            The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I don’t see waterboarding listed in there as torture. Why is that?

            Cruel? no. Not painful. Doesn’t harm.
            inhuman? well, no.
            degrading? Don’t see how.

            So you’ve backed up my assertion that you’d use ever left wing talking point there is without actually backing it up your assertion that waterboarding = torture..

            So, Founding Fathers burning witches? anything on that yet. Didn’t think so. Have a good one boody poker

          • Gay Veteran

            “I don’t see waterboarding listed in there as torture. Why is that?….”
            hey moron, you do NOT see ANY specific torture listed

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Soooo, you cannot prove your assertion? Not even with the Dictionary!?

            Here, lemme help you a$$wipe.

            wa-ter-board-ing
            noun

            1. a harsh interrogation technique in which water is poured onto the face and head of the immobilized victim so as to induce a fear of drowning.

            I don’t see torture there. Do you? I see HARSH. I don’t see inhumane, cruel, unusual, degrading or any of your other agitprop. Moron.

          • Gay Veteran

            yeah, just ignore all those Japanese war criminals who engaged in torture.
            what a vile creature you are

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You can repeat that 100 times, it’s a bald faced lie, every time. Please continue.

          • Gay Veteran

            I’m sure the North Koreans called it a harsh interrogation technique too.
            and if it isn’t torture then it is OK for a foreign government to use it on American POWs.

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re the type of disgusting person that makes the rest of the world hate us.

            waterboarding not torture?

            Reagan’s DOJ Prosecuted Texas Sheriff For Waterboarding Prisoners

            “…Federal prosecutors secured a 10-year sentence against the sheriff and four years in prison for the deputies…

            Texas Trial

            At the trial of the Texas sheriff, Assistant U.S. Attorney Scott Woodward said the prisoners who were subjected to waterboarding were not “model citizens” but they were still “victims” of torture…

            Gregg Magee, a deputy sheriff who testified against Sheriff Parker and three of the deputies said he witnessed Harkless being handcuffed to a chair by Parker and then getting “the water treatment.”

            “A towel was draped over his head,” Magee said, according to court documents. “He was pulled back in the chair and water was poured over the towel.”

            Harkless said he thought he was “going to be strangled to death,” adding: “I couldn’t breathe.”

            One of the defendants, Deputy Floyd Allen Baker, said during the trial that he thought torture to be an immoral act but he was unaware that it was illegal. His attorneys cited the “Nuremberg defense,” that Baker was acting on orders from his superiors when he subjected prisoners to waterboarding….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Hmmm, well thanks for opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

            Perhaps you’ve heard of the US Constitution. It covers American citizens in this country. You know, it was the founding document of this country, ratified in 1789. You’ve been ignoring it all damned day and I’ve been trying to remind you.

            I dunno, there’s something about the difference between interrogating an American citizen by police and the military interrogating a prisoner of war overseas in a war zone.

            You’re the kind of ph u c k ing imbecile that causes parents to disown their children. Oh wait, I think we’ve gone there before too. You’re a little thenthitive about it.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Hmmm, well thanks for opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

            Perhaps you’ve heard of the US Constitution. It covers American citizens in this country. You know, it was the founding document of this country, ratified in 1789. You’ve been ignoring it all damned day while yammering about Puritans founding America.

            I dunno, there’s something about the difference between interrogating an American citizen by police and the military interrogating a prisoner of war overseas in a war zone. And you’re still yammering left wing talking points without actually getting to the torture.

            You’re the kind of ph u c k ing imbecile that causes parents to disown their children. Oh wait, I think we’ve gone there before too. You’re a little thenthitive about it. Was it because you’re stupid or because they’re religious and you prefer to…. uhhhh….well, you know.

          • Gay Veteran

            DISGUSTING. I’ll leave you to justify war crimes.
            you would have made a great concentration camp guard

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            DISGUSTING. I’ll leave you to justify war crimes.
            bald faced lie. again….

            you would have made a great concentration camp guard
            To bad it was the progressives that were thooper fond of the Nazis. You know, democrats.

          • Gay Veteran

            dumba **, Hitler came to power in a conservative coalition.
            and always squaking about democrats, bet you love republican elephant dung

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            They weren’t conservatives: they were nationalists, socialists, communists, and unions.

          • Gay Veteran

            are you brain dead? the Nazis and the Communists fought each other in the streets. When the Nazis got power they sent the Communists to the concentration camps.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…You’re an occutard. Name how they aren’t hard left and try not to parrot the hard left wing while doing so. Especially their calls for FORCIBLY redistribution of wealth by just outright taking money – and not thru taxes….”

            wow, CLASSIC guilt by association since I oppose such forcible redistribution (though we certainly can NOT take YOUR word that they supported it)

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So you’re an occutard that doesn’t believe in your movement?

            sounds like a HUGE deflection to me.

            though we certainly can NOT take YOUR word that they supported it
            Go read those 99% sites. It’s everywhere. Nice denial though.

            Anything yet on the Founding Fathers and burning witches? I’m still expecting that at any moment.

          • Gay Veteran

            b-b-but the Founders only included those in 1776!

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            b-b-but the Founders only included those in 1776!

            Ummm, what are you babbling about? I said the country was founded in 1789-1791 when the actual Constitution and BOR were ratified. Everything else is a philosophical opinion based on nothing other than you trying to hide your LIES.
            So, get back to me when you can cite Founding Fathers and witch burning. You said the country was founded on the principle of burning witches and any time now you’re going to actually back up that idiotic assertion without pointing at puritans as the founders and anything else you can point at that predates the actual founding government document of the country.

          • Gay Veteran

            you just don’t read well, do you?
            you’re the one who thinks that the witch burning by “Christians” isn’t part of American history, and that somehow American history started in 1776.
            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            don’t you have some Japanese war crimes to deny?
            bald faced lie.

            you’re the one who thinks that the witch burnings by “Christians” isn’t part of AMERICAN history, and that somehow American history only started in 1776.

            bald faced lie. Actually three.

            You’re an imbecile. Bottom line. You lied and you’re utterly unwilling to point to the founding of the country as the part where the country’s foundational document was put into law.
            bald faced liar

          • Gay Veteran

            I guess you think in that tertiary syphilis brain of yours that you are winning.
            now go deny some more Japanese WWII war crimes

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            now go deny some more Japanese WWII war crimes
            I notice you’ve moved on from that Puritans founding America bald faced lie to this one.
            So, where do you spend your holidays since your own family wont talk to you?

          • Gay Veteran

            project much? doubt even your family can tolerate your lies.

            AGAIN, from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Gay Veteran

            AGAIN, from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Gay Veteran

            yep, more guilt by association, classic.
            go read those 99% sites? how about you proving your f-ing point, junior.

            Anything yet on denying more Japanese WWII war crimes? I’m still expecting that at any moment.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…You believe in the govt FORCING people to do things in violation of the 1st amendment freedom of association…..”

            using your “logic”, any racist saying the Bible supports their views can refuse to serve Blacks, after all it violates their freedom of association

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            As those democrats should be free to do. You know. BET, NCAA, Congressional Black Caucus, La Raza, Black Panthers.
            You do know what was outlawed was GOVERNMENT forced segregation by democrats, right? There was no outlawing of freedom of association.

            So, still no witch burning by the Founding Fathers?

          • Gay Veteran

            “…There was no outlawing of freedom of association….”

            so if I’m a racist who runs a restaurant and believes that the bible supports my racism then I can refuse to serve any Blacks that come in.
            riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            There you go again, trying to put the bible into it.
            I dunno, do those racist democrat organizations cite the bible in their freedom of association that’s actually enumerated. You keep pointing to a restaurant while ignoring the orgs I cited. Why is that.
            And why haven’t you cited the Founding Fathers burning witches?

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re the constitutional scholar, explain why a racist who runs a restaurant and believes that the bible supports their racism CAN”T refuse service to any Blacks that come in.

            And why haven’t you denied more Japanese war crimes?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So you’re saying what’s good for democrats isn’t good for everyone else?

            And why haven’t you denied more Japanese war crimes?


            bald faced lie. what’s your record for inches down that throat? You seem to swallow anything.

          • Gay Veteran

            you just can’t answer the question about the restaurtant, can you

    • Jim Davis

      Are you also a voting AMERICAN? If so you should be deported.

      • Debbie Henderson

        No, I am not an American citizen.

  • Tatiana Covington

    It will be NONE OF MY BUSINESS!

  • Mike

    Exit polls show that Netanyahu won!

    • We don’t need exit polls..I guarantee you…He will win….else I will walk backwards naked and post my picture here :)

      • Mike

        Haha!

  • Common..Its reverse Psy-Op…..Obama and Nethanyahu’s are best buddies just like Putin…Just because Obama pretends to hate them main stream does not mean anything…

    I don’t think he will loose because elections are rigged…wow…we got news that he just won…How about that?

    Don’t fall for reverse psy-op’s of Israel and America, Russia and all other countries are ruled by the same forces. These are mere puppets we see on main stream.

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    Bibi won! The adult is more popular than the man-child! :)

    • Debbie Henderson

      The NWO won. Or they think they won, but they keep forgetting that Israel has a secret weapon.

  • DJohn1

    Well, he didn’t lose!
    Should we offer condolences or congratulations?

  • ??

    “On the other hand, if Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wins, he is already promising that there will not be a Palestinian state for as long as he is holding office…”

    Could he be lying?

  • Gay Veteran

    you’re a regular Einstein, aren’t you

  • Gay Veteran

    who knew baking a cake was a religious practice
    “unlimited abortion”? LIAR

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      So that’s a no, you’re not going to put up. Methinks you’re not gonna shut up either.

      • Gay Veteran

        I guess you think you’re “winning” by being a LIAR about my views on abortion

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Enlighten me. And please, make sure you fall back your often used hard left agitprop garbage “women’s right to choose” and “old white men regulating uteruseseses” “anti-women” and rest of it that proves me right.

          • Gay Veteran

            I never said I supported Unlimited abortion.
            you’re a LIAR

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ok, I’ll repeat myself like you do

            Enlighten me. And please, make sure you fall back your often used hard left agitprop garbage “women’s right to choose” and “old white men regulating uteruseseses” “anti-women” and rest of it that proves me right.

          • Gay Veteran

            so I’ve established that you are a LIAR by claiming I support UNlimited abortion.

            as to my views on LIMITED abortion:

            During the first trimester, the decision to terminate the pregnancy is solely at the discretion of the woman. After the first trimester, the state can regulate but not outlaw it. After the second trimester, the state can outlaw abortions except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            so I’ve established that you are a LIAR by claiming I support UNlimited abortion.

            Um no, you’ve just called me a liar. I’ve asked you 4 times to lay out your belief.

            solely at the discretion of the woman
            the state can regulate but not outlaw it.

            And there you have it, you’ve laid out a position that varies little from the hard left and too bad roe v wade provides you the cover for your lie. My bad, I said unregulated. OH NOES! You are a left wing pro-abort none-the-less.
            So, we’ll chalk this one up to me being right despite your spittle flecked denials. Now get back to me on them Founding Fathers and burning witches.

          • Gay Veteran

            I said: “…After the second trimester, the state can outlaw abortions except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.”

            but YOU said I supported UNlimited abortion.
            you’re a LIAR, and a person of low moral character

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh look

            My bad, I said unregulated. OH NOES! You are a left wing pro-abort none-the-less.

            You’re now arguing a very minute point I conceded while ignoring that I was absolutely correct in the assertion that you are a hard left, pro-abort, murder them babies everywhere, nutbag. So, I was wrong on a minor point I asserted, and you’ve OUTRIGHT lied about the vast majority of the things you’ve spouted on this page. You were saying low moral character or something?

            Now you concede that you were trying to deny what I was correct about.

            And then get right back into them Founding Fathers and burning witches.

          • Gay Veteran

            my, my, the tertiary syphilis is really eating what’s left of your brains.
            or do you just prefer to lie?

            witches?

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Gay Veteran

            oh yes, I want to murder them babies everywhere!
            GREAT STRAWMAN

            And now you need to get right back into them war crimes never happening

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            oh yes, I want to murder them babies everywhere!
            GREAT STRAWMAN

            Here, lemme use your words against you.
            Don’t you have your own belief in abortion to deny.
            Idiot.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Really?! How many unwanted babies did you adopt? Oh right… none. They die under your morals.

          • Gay Veteran

            I have not adopted any unwanted babies because I am NOT the one trying to turn women into slaves.
            I’m not the one wanting to place the entire burden on their shoulders while I sneer in self-righteousness.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            See, you are calling these people unwanted. By what standard are they unwanted? Who is in charge of adoption regulations? Where do the majority of these children come from? And exactly how is this enslaving women? Women are built for that purpose of reproduction; a vast majority of women find joy in bearing children and being a mother.

            Do you have issues with how human reproduction works that you turned from normal male/female relations and decided to be gay in some attempt to fill the void of that decision? Do you believe women are oppressed in their biological roles as wife and mother that you are hostile towards traditional marriage and those faiths that support it?!

            That’s it. That’s the real issue. It’s not biology, religion, or society – it’s you. Every derisive posting you’ve made is about you! This is about dealing with your pain and despair by lashing out at who you see as your abusers’ proprietors. The problems you faced as a child; and your parents probably didn’t support you the way they were supposed to.

            Now I know the answer. Why this collapse is occurring.

            I’m done here. I have what I’ve sought. No need to respond; I’m closing the account (don’t need it anymore) – need to find more data and make plans.

            Before I leave, Gay, I’m recommending a book for you “Toxic Parents – Overcoming Their Hurtful Legacy and Reclaiming Your Life” by Susan Forward, Ph.D. It helped me a lot with my childhood issues. It’s not religious; it’s psychologically therapeutic. First half is about identifying the abuse and a step-by-step method on how to cope.

          • Gay Veteran

            “See, you are calling these people unwanted. By what standard are they unwanted?….”
            hey Einstein, I doubt women are having abortions because they want children!
            “…And exactly how is this enslaving women?….”
            how can you be free if you do not control your own body?
            “…Women are built for that purpose of reproduction; a vast majority of women find joy in bearing children and being a mother.

            Do you have issues with how human reproduction works that you turned from normal male/female relations and decided to be gay in some attempt to fill the void of that decision? Do you believe women are oppressed in their biological roles as wife and mother that you are hostile towards traditional marriage and those faiths that support it?!

            That’s it. That’s the real issue. It’s not biology, religion, or society – it’s you. Every derisive posting you’ve made is about you! This is about dealing with your pain and despair by lashing out at who you see as your abusers’ proprietors. The problems you faced as a child; and your parents probably didn’t support you the way they were supposed to.

            Now I know the answer. Why this collapse is occurring.

            I’m done here. I have what I’ve sought. No need to respond; I’m closing the account (don’t need it anymore) – need to find more data and make plans.

            Before I leave, Gay, I’m recommending a book for you “Toxic Parents – Overcoming Their Hurtful Legacy and Reclaiming Your Life” by Susan Forward, Ph.D. It helped me a lot with my childhood issues. It’s not religious; it’s psychologically therapeutic. First half is about identifying the abuse and a step-by-step method on how to cope.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…And there you have it, you’ve laid out a position that varies little from the hard left….”

            I guess you think parroting “hard left” actually supports your position.
            Easier to label people than to back up your own arguments.
            and that “hard left” position is supported by a lot of people who are not “hard left”.
            but I guess I will now start calling you “hard Klan right”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I guess you think parroting “hard left” actually supports your position.
            No idiot, what you said supports my position that you’re hard left.

          • Gay Veteran

            riiiiiiight, because anyone to your “left” is “hard left”.
            easier to name call than support your arugments

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            easier to name call than support your arugments
            riiiiiiiiiiight, because being a terrorist occutard isn’t hard left.
            Easier to keep denying it if you won’t recognize it.

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, now they’re terrorists.
            don’t you have some cop’s boot to lick? you’re a good little shepple, loving you some killer cops

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ummm, perhaps you should catch up on the news where they were busted for a terrorist plot to blow up a bridge. Imbecile.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh noez! them terrorists are gonna get us!!!
            keep buying the BS that the elites are using to shred our Constitutional rights and funnel $TRILLIONS of our tax dollars to the military-industrial-surveillance complex

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Breaking News – Imbecile thinks the Puritans founded America. Declines to notice the 4th and 8th amendments.
            You’re not done getting it wrong yet? gffff

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You don’t care about the Constitution, either. You and the other militants did great damage to it already.

          • Gay Veteran

            I doubt you can even explain that

          • Gay Veteran

            obviously that implicates every single member of OWS.
            moron

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Obviously. Moron.

          • Gay Veteran

            glad you believe in personal responsibility.
            and of course using your “logic” if a single member of the tea party commits a crime then that implicates all members of the tea party

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ummm, that’s PRECISELY how you leftards treat them so…

          • Gay Veteran

            I believe in PERSONAL responsibility. Unlike you who believes in guilt by association.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Breaking news. Democrat imbecile sticks to a philosophical sentiment (that has no basis in fact) the Puritans wrote the Constitution and founded America so he can avoid admitting he’s an idiot for saying the founders burned witches.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwwww, illiterate little Malcolm got out of his playpen.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            …said the moron claiming the Puritans wrote the Constitution and founded America.

          • Gay Veteran

            still can’t read, eh

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            No you don’t! You believe in power.

          • Gay Veteran

            hmmmm, your comment reminds me I have to clean out the cat’s litter box

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Sorry the cop killers are the democrat constituency.

          • Gay Veteran

            not here to defend democrats, or republicans

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Breaking news. Leftard imbecile that parrots democrat talking points and denies he defends the democrat line. Thinks the Puritans wrote the Constitution

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Yes, you are here to defend Democrats and far leftists. Pretending to be a Libertarian… not cool towards actual Libertarians.

          • Gay Veteran

            there you go again with your lies.

            Libertarian Karl Denninger says you cannot be free if you do not control your own body.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Now you’re against cops!

          • Gay Veteran

            because the cops can do no wrong.
            moron

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You’re a militant fighting for the insurrection.

          • Gay Veteran

            ROFLOL.
            WHAT insurrection?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            but I guess I will now start calling you “hard Klan right”

            Too bad, the klan were democrats and of the left. Nice try kicking and stomping and that lie out there tho.

          • Gay Veteran

            better than usual, you got it half right since the Klan probably were Democrats in 1865. but the left? stone cold stupid even for you

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh oh. someone’s a klan denier. And Woodrow Wilson wasn’t thooper in love with the klan and he wasn’t a democrat either.

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, got some fixation on democrats.
            you must love suc king that elephant don g

          • Gay Veteran

            wow! Woodrow Wilson was a bigot!
            who knew? anyone studying history

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          Those are your views on abortion.

          • Gay Veteran

            there you go again with your lies.

            don’t you follow the Ten Commandments? thy shalt not lie!

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      No, you have stumped for unlimited abortions. All those times you said, “How many unwanted babies have you adopted?” everytime someone against genocide spoke out against it. You endorse genocide.

      • Gay Veteran

        for a Mormon you sure do LIE well since I have never supported unlimited abortion.
        and yeah, I’ll ask the same question of YOU: how many unwanted babies have you adopted?

  • DJohn1

    Heads I win, tails you lose!
    Even though the Prime Minister won the election . . .
    Now Obama wants to bypass Israel and make the treaty for them with the United Nations.
    Liar, Liar, pants on fire! Obama seems to be capable of just about anything.
    That makes a person in the Presidency a very dangerous person indeed. One so dangerous in fact that even with a majority in both houses of Congress, people are very afraid of him and what he might do.
    More important, what will the successor to Obama do? Whether it occurs at the next election or whether it occurs sooner.
    A person in power with nothing to lose . . . Now that is dangerous.
    Obama has now made an enemy out of the Jews.
    My own thought is that is a very bad thing to do with billionaires. I speak not of the common man or woman in Israel but the people with money and power behind them. And those people do exist.
    I suggest this is a move he was ill-advised to make.

    • Gay Veteran

      people need to stop believing the propaganda about Iran, Russia, etc.

      • DJohn1

        You are not average. You have a brain and use it. IF my own experiences are any indication, that is not common.
        In the newspaper business, 3 days is the extent that anyone will ever remember what has been written.
        Microsoft made a fortune by simplifying computer use to a kindergarten level with images. called icons that people double-click to get into programs they can use.
        I try not to use big words when I comment because people relate to basic English words.
        1% or less of the people are really leaders. The majority of people do not concern themselves with their houses burning around them because they are too busy with the average Mundane things of life.
        A lot of people do not even know where those places are. Much less have any concept of what kind of world they live in at these places.
        The most stupid mistake in recent history has to have been trying terrorism on people here in this country. It set off a multi-trillion dollar effort to kill them all off.
        Sitting on the tiger’s tail is never a good idea. And that is exactly what 9/11 was all about.
        Money isn’t everything or they (the terrorists) would all be dead now.
        We are often referred to as being asleep as far as the world politics are concerned. I would have to agree with that concept.
        But I am basically an isolationist in my thoughts. I do not believe we should be out there trying to control the entire world.

  • Gay Veteran

    interesting that you refuse to comment on the quote from Heritage, but then again that destroys your pathetic arguments

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Interesting that you’re under the impression that the Puritans founded America. But then believing otherwise would destroy your idiotic arguments. FOAD pole smoker.

      • Gay Veteran

        from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

        “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

        I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Breaking News – Imbecile thinks the Puritans founded America. Declines to notice the 4th and 8th amendments.
          You’re not done getting it wrong yet? aaaa

          • Gay Veteran

            still got those reading comprehension problems, eh

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Breaking news. Imbecile thinks the Puritans wrote the Constitution

          • Gay Veteran

            parrot saying the same old lies

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You mean to tell me, you didn’t spend almost 2 weeks replying to me that the Puritans founded America and America was founded on burning witches?
            Wow, just an outright liar.

          • Gay Veteran

            Imbecile still can’t read:

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            LMAO! There you go.
            Breaking News – blithering idiot tries denying it and then immediately doubles down on his idiotic claim the Puritans founded America. Too funny.
            You have fun out there. Maybe today you can stick two whole man sausages in your mouth.

          • Gay Veteran

            teatard imbecile STILL can’t read:

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Gay Veteran

            two whole man sausages? sounds like your mother on a busy night down in the red light district

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh look, imbecile knows mommy jokes too. I suggest you stick with those. That way you sound like less of an idiot.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Breaking news. Democrat Imbecile sticks to his claim (that has no basis in fact) the Puritans wrote the Constitution and founded America so he can avoid admitting he’s an idiot for saying the founders burned witches.

          • Gay Veteran

            you need to see someone about that reading problem you have.

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Breaking news. Democrat imbecile sticks to a philosophical sentiment (that has no basis in fact) the Puritans wrote the Constitution and founded America so he can avoid admitting he’s an idiot for saying the founders burned witches.
            sadg

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwwwww, illiterate little Malcolm got out of his playpen.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            …said the moron claiming the Puritans wrote the Constitution and founded America. sdfgvfsd

          • Gay Veteran

            WOW, like for the 100th time,
            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          Complete the entire publication from Heritage. It ruins your argument.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, you can tell that by the first part of the quote.

            but I’m not surprised that you totally missed the point:

            “…some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Once again, you missed the obvious. You’re citing an opinion piece. Anyone who takes College English can tell the difference. Reading the full publication makes that entirely clear.

  • Gay Veteran

    from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

    “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

    I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier”…”

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Breaking News – Imbecile thinks the Puritans founded America. Declines to notice the 4th and 8th amendments.
      You’re not done getting it wrong yet?

      • Gay Veteran

        you still can’t read, eh

        from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

        “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

        I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Breaking news. Imbecile thinks the Puritans wrote the Constitution and founded America

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwwww, little Malcolm thinks the pilgrims had nothing to do with America.

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            little Malcolm thinks the pilgrims had nothing to do with America.

            Please cite.

            Breaking news. Democrat Imbecile sticks to his claim (that has no basis in fact) the Puritans wrote the Constitution and founded America so he can avoid admitting he’s an idiot for saying the founders burned witches.

          • Gay Veteran

            just can’t read, can you.

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Breaking news. Democrat Imbecile sticks to his claim (that has no basis in fact) the Puritans wrote the Constitution and founded America so he can avoid admitting he’s an idiot for saying the founders burned witches. sadfsadf

          • Gay Veteran

            breaking news, little malcom is still illiterate.

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Breaking news. Democrat imbecile sticks to a philosophical sentiment (that has no basis in fact) the Puritans wrote the Constitution and founded America so he can avoid admitting he’s an idiot for saying the founders burned witches.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwwwwww, illiterate little Malcolm got out of his playpen.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            illiterate little Malcolm

            …said the moron claiming the Puritans wrote the Constitution and founded America.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwwww, illiterate little Malcolm still can’t read.
            :(

            from the conservative Heritage Foundation:

            “…What Constitutes America’s Founding?

            I have assumed here that America was founded in the late 18th century, but some authors have argued, in the words of Gary DeMar, that our “nation begins not in 1776, but more than one hundred fifty years earlier.”…”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So nothing on the founding fathers. K thanks. That’s all I wanted to know. idiot.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You like using child references to insult people. Are you afraid of adults? Or prefer children? Naw, you’re for aborting (killing) children.

          • Gay Veteran

            and you want to turn women into slaves

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Now I know why you decided to be homosexual. See a therapist.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, I “decided” to be homosexual as much as you decided to be heterosexual.
            guess that is too complex for you to understand, eh

  • MagenD

    Now that Netanyahu’s WON!!!
    You can blame G-d!!!
    Amen?!!!
    :)

  • mary09462

    ;