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Culture Upside Down: There Has Been A Colossal Shift In America’s Values Since 2001

Map Of The United States 2014The United States is becoming a place where “anything goes”, and most Americans are okay with that.  No matter which side of the “culture war” that you are on, you have to admit that our culture is being fundamentally transformed.  In fact, new numbers from Gallup confirm that there has been a colossal shift in America’s moral values just since 2001.  Over the past 13 years, we have become a dramatically different country.  Many of the things that used to be considered “evil” are now considered to be “good”, and many of the things that used to be considered “good” are now considered to be “evil”.  In other words, our culture is literally being turned upside down, and the “values” that our national leaders speak of today are far different from the “values” that our grandparents grew up with.  So is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Every year, Gallup conducts an “annual Values and Beliefs survey”, and the survey results for 2014 have just been released.  When you compare the numbers from 2001 to the numbers for this year, the difference in quite a few of the categories is quite striking.  Here are a few examples…

Sex between an unmarried man and woman

2001: 53%

2014: 66%

Divorce

2001: 59%

2014: 69%

Having a baby outside of marriage

2001: 45%

2014: 58%

Gay or lesbian relations

2001: 40%

2014: 58%

Medical research using stem cells from human embryos

2001: 52%

2014: 65%

Pornography

2001: 30%

2014: 33%

Suicide

2001: 13%

2014: 19%

Cloning Humans

2001: 7%

2014: 13%

As a nation, we are moving much more in the “socially liberal” direction.

But does that mean that everyone is changing?

Well, when Gallup broke the numbers down by political affiliation, they found something extremely interesting.

Gallup discovered that the values of Democrats had experienced a seismic shift since 2001, but that the values of Republicans had actually changed very little

In the 12 years Gallup has asked this overall question, Democrats have become significantly more tolerant on many issues, while independents generally show a smaller shift in the same direction and Republicans’ views have changed little. The percentage of Democrats who say an issue is morally acceptable has increased for 10 issues, including abortion, sex between an unmarried man and woman, extramarital affairs, cloning humans, divorce, cloning animals, suicide, research using stem cells from human embryos, polygamy, and gay and lesbian relations.

In some cases, the change among Democrats has been substantial. For example, in 2003, 52% of Democrats said having a baby outside of wedlock was morally acceptable, and 40% of Republicans and 61% of independents agreed. This year, 72% of Democrats, a 20-percentage-point increase, say it is morally acceptable. Meanwhile, Republicans have seen no change, with 40% still saying it is morally acceptable, although a higher 50% viewed it as morally acceptable last year. Independents have also not seen a change, with 60% saying having a baby out of wedlock is morally acceptable this year.

In other words, the “values gap” between the two major political parties is now larger than it has ever been.

And Gallup has previously found that there are huge differences between age groups when it comes to moral values as well.

For example, only 19 percent of Americans 55 and older consider pornography to be “morally acceptable”, but 49 percent of Americans in the 18 to 34-year-old age group do.

This is true on issue after issue, and it is an indication that Americans will continue to become more “socially liberal” as older generations of Americans die off.

But as our values change, America is becoming a much different place.

You see, the truth is that moral values have consequences.  The following are just a few statistics about the current state of morality in America from one of my previous articles

-18 percent of all women in the United States say that they have been raped at some point in their lives.

-It is estimated that one out of every four girls will be sexually abused before they become adults.

-Approximately one-third of the entire population of the United States (110 million people) currently has a sexually transmitted disease according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

-In the United States today, more than half of all couples “move in together” before they get married.

-For women under the age of 30 in the United States, more than half of all babies are being born out of wedlock.

-At this point, approximately one out of every three children in the United States lives in a home without a father.

-Right now, there are 70 million Americans that are on mind-altering drugs of one form or another.

-According to a study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, approximately two-thirds of all Americans in the 15 to 24-year-old age bracket have engaged in oral sex.

-During 2012, more than 85,000 military veterans were formally treated for sexual abuse that they suffered while serving in the U.S. military.

-According to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, there are 747,408 registered sex offenders in the United States.  And those are just the ones that have been caught and convicted.

Can our society survive if everyone just does “whatever seems right in their own eyes” and young people are allowed to decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong?

Some would suggest that our nation is “evolving” and that we are steadily becoming a more “progressive society”.

Others are deeply alarmed that we are abandoning the values that this nation was founded upon and are calling for a return to those values.

So what do you think?

Please feel free to share your opinion about America’s dramatic cultural shift by posting a comment below…

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  • K

    As I have said before. Evil has gained so much ground, you can almost feel it. As to the consequences. I do not remember when I was growing up. Twelve year old girls trying to sacrifice another twelve year old girl, to some sort of forest demon. So yes I see many changes, none of them good.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Yes, that story about the 12-year-old girls was absolutely horrible.

      For those that don’t know what we are talking about, you can read about it here…

      http://themostimportantnews.com/archives/girl-stabbed-19-times-by-12-year-old-friends

      Michael

      • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

        Even more disturbing than the crime itself is the cruelty of the adults commenting about the story, most of whom want to put those little girls away for life.Now I think they should be punished ( they are currently incarcerated) and they should have to compensate their victim. But as savage as this attack was, it was a crime committed by two pre-teenagers, not by mature adults with fully formed brains. I don’t understand why people can’t have a little bit of compassion for these 2 young kids facing up to 60 years in the pen. By the way, I think you know what this “slender man” is. It’s a demon.

        • Threeper

          Slenderman a demon? You think Slenderman is real? I feel compassion for you if you sincerely believe that!

          Even children several years younger than 12 knows the sad truth, are able to understand that the slenderman story is just that, a scary story.
          Your parents lied, Santa Claus and Happyland are not real either.

          These 2 girls are either dumb or insane, maybe both.

  • Colin

    I am watching the coverage for Sgt. Bergdahl. I have sympathy for him as a human being. I have read similar stories of individuals in the past who, during wartime, have walked off. War is a tremendous psychological burden for anyone to bear. The psychological torture lasts for a lifetime. Sgt. Bergdahl, then a Private, had psychological issues before he was enlisted. He formed a friendship with another soldier. After this soldier was killed, within a couple days, he walked off. Where was his fellow soldiers? Why didn’t they intervene? If someone sees a person who doesn’t socialize, who is learning the indigenous languages, and who is learning the geography of the land, these are red flags.

    Now, whose values should we follow? Should we follow the model set by the British in World War II who tried and executed soldiers for desertion? I am hearing conversatives calling for the execution of this soldier. Even worse, I am hearing some saying that he should have been left there. Now, in February, some of these conservatives were for brining the sergeant home. I don’t express to know what has changed since then. As a liberal, I believe that there should be a full investigation of Sgt. Bergdahl’s behavior and motivations and, if he is fit for a trial, judged for his actions then. If found guilty, he should serve his sentence. I don’t believe we should leave any soldier behind.

    For the record, the British government pardoned those soldiers in 2005.

    • NowAlive

      There had been an investigation. He’d already deserted once before. He left a letter stating he was deserting. I’d say this is an open and shut case. He despised being a soldier and an American, according to his own words, which weren’t just spoken once but on several occasions. Should we have left him behind? Seems like that’s what he wanted. Should we have traded the way we did? No way. By the way, this is a volunteer army. He signed up for it. Then he abandoned his fellow soldiers at an undermanned outpost while expressing disdain for his country and his countrymen. And who cares what the Brits did, btw? I’m not aware we’re obliged to follow their example from anytime or way.

    • El_Tigre_Loco

      I think that, since his father grooms like a muslim and professes islam, that this may have been a set-up for getting the taliban leaders released from Gitmo.

  • Steve

    Most Americans do not believe in a High Power they must answer to, therefor there are not checks and balances on an individuals actions. They are only about themselves and only believe they have no one to answer to but themselves, therefore anything goes, Homosexuality, Sex Abuse, Pornography, and whatever else an individual is OK with in their own mind. Straight from the Satanic Bible “Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law”. This is what most Americans today believe in whether they realize it or not. Which side of the fence are you on?

    • Threeper

      Just like them, you are unable to understand that you still answer to the results of your actions.
      You can ignore reality but you can´t ignore the consequences of reality.

      Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told.

      The bible, tal mud and the quran is doing as you are told regardless of what is right.

  • GregCz

    I prefer to stay grounded in my faith in God and I will not submit to the status quo.

  • JP

    Biblical history tells us what happens when we turn from God. History repeats itself.

    • 35wormhole

      the bible is crap

      • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

        The Bible is HISTORY. And history repeats itself. Always. Cuz it’s human behavior.

        • 35wormhole

          the bible is non sense

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            Then you don’t know your history- lol!

  • DJR

    Conspicuous by their absence is any mention of artificial contraception and abortion. Those two things are evil and have been with us for decades. The wholesale acceptance of contraception among Protestants and others is the root cause of many of the evils mentioned above. It leads to divorce, promiscuity, unnatural relations, and ultimately abortion. One cannot properly lament the loss of morality if he/she does not attack the source.

    • El_Tigre_Loco

      There is plenty of blame to go around.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      And I have written many articles that talk about the horror of abortion.

      Michael

      • Gay Veteran

        now if only all of you anti-abortion types actually adopted an unwanted child we might see abortion rates drop

        • Andy T

          Get a brain that functions

          • Gay Veteran

            let me guess, another anti-abortion person who refuses to adopt

          • Andy T

            My father was raised in foster care. His life started out as “unwanted” because he was conceived through an affair. He overcame adversity and led an admirable life. He was not bitter. He was the opposite. Before he died he was married over fifty years and had five sons. I’m number five. I’m married 28 years and have six kids with the same woman. I provide you with these details because they are not “abstract” ideas but reality.

          • Gay Veteran

            and yet not one word on how many unwanted babies YOU adopted

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            and yet life doesn’t work that way but you insist on thinking it does.

          • Gay Veteran

            I’m not the one trying to turn women into slaves

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            strawman.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwww, troll learned to spell a new word

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You’re pretty arrogant about your supposed intelligence but yet you cant wrap your massive intellect around the fact that you’re the troll here. I wonder why that is. Geez, I wonder if you’re lying.

          • Gay Veteran

            troll? why, because I don’t agree with a-holes like you

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            running out of arguments, so you try to insult.

          • Gay Veteran

            nope

          • Bellfri

            So you are saying God turned women into slaves because only they can have children? Maybe He thought He was giving them a great gift. I would think men would be upset about that more than women.

          • Gay Veteran

            uh, NO, I’m saying people opposed to abortion are trying to turn women into slaves

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            neither is he

          • Gay Veteran

            don’t read well, eh

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            Speaking for yourself?

          • Gay Veteran

            I’d say you’re intellectual equals, maybe between the 2 of you there is room temperature IQ.

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            You’re pedaling as hard as you can, aren’t you?
            LOL

          • Gay Veteran

            pedaling away from dim witted bigots like you

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            You just keep pedaling, so we normals can get along without you scum gay low-life.

          • Gay Veteran

            you missed your calling as a SS prison guard

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            But everybody knows gays hate women

          • Gay Veteran

            liar

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            Your dirty secrets are becoming known, aren’t they?
            Pretty soon, NO ONE is going to like you.

          • Gay Veteran

            yawn

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            stunned you into silence, didn’t I?

          • Gay Veteran

            LOL, your stoopidity stunned me

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            ‘stoopidity’ is spelled s-t-u-p-I-d-I-t-y

          • Gay Veteran

            it was intentional, spelling Naz I.

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            gay veteran needs mental help, Malcolm, don’t worry too much about it.
            Homosexuality is a mental disease.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh indeed he is.
            I’m fairly certain from a few questions I’ve asked him that he was thoroughly rejected by his family too.
            But I think it’s important that each of us counter leftist mental illness at every opportunity. The clock is ticking and we cant let buffoons like him run roughshod…

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            Absolutely agree. Time is of the essence, but we have the majority on our side. We just can’t be afraid to speak up.
            People are waking up though

          • Gay Veteran

            nope, the majority is now on OUR side.
            bigotry is losing

          • Guest

            And Saton is winning.

          • Gay Veteran

            Saton? is he related to Sauron?

          • Guest

            Some day you will have a chance to ask him.

          • Gay Veteran

            would be neat to meet Sauron

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            Uh, that is exactly wrong. They are on our side. Witness what happened with Phil Robertson and Chick Fil-A.
            Now that you’re bullies, everybody hates you. Sad isn’t it?
            But it’s ON YOU.

          • Gay Veteran

            like Phil Robertson and Chick Fil-A represent the majority.
            poor bigot, your time has come and gone.
            but it’s not to late, you can move to Saudi Arabia

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, the “powers” of Malcolm, able to psychoanalyze by only asking a few questions

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Remember when I tried to be nice to you and asked you about Christmas and you melted down with expletives and ‘none of my business’?
            I stand by my assertion.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwww, did I hurt your little feelings

          • Gay Veteran

            I’m so impressed with your moral superiority and ability to psychoanalyze (where did you get your degree?). sounds like you’re in the wrong country though, Saudi Arabia is the better choice for you

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            There’s that inner totalitarian democrat again telling people what’s best for them.
            and there you are above pointing fingers at people. go figure.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey junior, why don’t you go read “On Liberty” by John Stuart Mill, then MAYBE we can have an intelligent conversation.
            but nah, you’d rather play the Elite’s “left”/”right” games

          • Gay Veteran

            “…No matter if the boot on your throat is the left foot or the right foot there is still a boot on your throat. Any who think that the Republican Party stand s for their rights need to do a little memory recall and think back to who brought us the Patriot Act. They are all guilty. They are all insidious….”

            and before you start spouting BS, the democrats are just as bad

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            Saudi Arabia would be a better place for YOU.
            Tolerance tyrant. lol

          • Gay Veteran

            aghast, is this another one of your multiple personalities?

          • Gay Veteran

            I laugh at bigots like you

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            It must hurt to have to talk to normal people like us, who have good families and good lives.
            Your ‘laughter’ indicates your mental illness. They CAN cure homosexuality, you know.

          • Gay Veteran

            too bad for you there’s no cure for stupidity

          • Gay Veteran

            bigotry is a disease, and you are infested with it

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            No, I have proper morals and a normal outlook.
            I AM bigoted: against rapists, low-life, gays, murderers, and other scum.

          • Gay Veteran

            so sad, seeing a bigot foam at the mouth knowing his time has come and gone

          • Bellfri

            Gay, why are you so intent on relishing the killing of babies? You are talking apples and oranges.

          • Gay Veteran

            who is killing babies???
            but if you want to impose YOUR interpretation of the bible on others then YOU had better be prepared to bear some of the burden.
            so how many unwanted babies have YOU adopted?

          • truxillo

            How many have you?

          • Gay Veteran

            your question doesn’t make sense because I’m NOT the one seeking to force women to do something they don’t want to do

          • Renaissance Girl

            As a woman who was raped at the age of 18 and conceived a child through this, abortion is horrible! I love my child and kept my child. I am and will forever be an advocate against the killing of babies! Life isn’t fair, we all know that, so why make it even more unfair? Women should keep their legs closed. Men should keep their body parts out of women if they don’t want to have kids. And if men and women can’t follow this logic and common sense — then use a condom. And because accidents happen, if they are not willing to deal with having an unplanned precious baby then DON’T SCREW — just abstain! I’m sick of this crap about “ahhh, we can’t force women to have babies they don’t want”! Too bad. People need to grow up!

          • Gay Veteran

            You gave birth, that was YOUR choice.
            Don’t force your choice on others.

          • Renaissance Girl

            Sigh. I try to speak to you with respect. I never said I was forcing my choice on others. You are blind to what others are trying to say. I will no longer try to understand your point of view. I simply feel sorry for you and hope that your eyes will be opened to other people’s struggles.

          • Gay Veteran

            snort, other people’s struggles?
            darling, I am entirely sympathetic to women who simply cannot support a child for whatever reason

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            he had 6 kids asshole, how many more is he supposed to have?

          • Gay Veteran

            well a sshole, he’s the one trying to force women to do something they don’t want to do

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            No, he’s not, asshole.

          • Gay Veteran

            yawn, run along little bigot

          • Guest

            So, in your sick twisted view, if a woman comes to me and says ” if you don’t adopt my children by 2:00 PM tomorrow I am going to murder them.” If I refuse, she is justified in killing them.

          • Gay Veteran

            the difference between you and me is that I believe the woman is a free person, whereas you want to turn women into slaves.
            as Karl Denninger says, how can you be free if you can’t control your own body.
            but back to the main point, how many unwanted babies have YOU adopted?

          • Guest

            Many woman have chosen life and are struggling. How many of them have YOU emotionally and financially supported?

          • Gay Veteran

            the “babies” have a right to freedom once they are viable.

            “…How many of them have YOU emotionally and financially supported??”
            I’m not the one seeking to impose my views on women. YOU ARE

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            In my experience and in many women’s experience, it is gay men who hate women. The gay republican group called Log Cabin is ANTI-CHOICE for abortion, hypocrite.

          • Gay Veteran

            I’m not a gay republican, moron

          • Renaissance Girl

            Amen. I’m one of them. I chose life and I love my child, but it has not been easy. I was raped as a teenager and chose to keep my baby. People are so cruel and don’t want to empathize or understand someone else’s struggles or burdens. I’m seen as a single mother loser who has been teaching for a decade. Instead of seeing me as an inspiration, I’m scowled at. If only people knew my story and I doubt that they would show any compassion when I don’t have enough money to pay bills sometimes. Sick, sad world.

          • Bellfri

            I wonder how much control a woman with an incurable disease has? Or men, for that matter. They have more control over their body prior to pregnancy. Use it.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh, so you aren’t the anti-abortion type who ALSO opposes contraception?

          • Renaissance Girl

            WOW, that was just so well said!

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            quit putting lies in people’s mouths. You don’t win arguments that way. You’ve won nothing so far.

          • Gay Veteran

            try learning how to read

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            let me guess, someone that prefers s3x with the body’s sewer system over women who’s commenting on the byproduct of hetero s3x.
            hypocrite.

          • Gay Veteran

            please explain the hypocricy, IF YOU CAN.
            or maybe you can’t grasp the concept of hypocrisy

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            you’re sitting there telling people they have no right to comment on abortion unless they adopt while commentingon the byproduct of hetero s3x that you don’t do.
            That’s hypocricy and I’m glad I could explain it to you today you stupid D!ckhead.

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, I see you don’t understand the meaning of hypocrisy.
            conversing with you is like talking with a slug, only the slug is smarter than you

          • Gay Veteran

            well guess what, Einstein, I don’t rob people either but I comment on thieves

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Then stop telling people they cant comment on things because you don’t like their opinion you moron.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey junior, don’t go telling women what to do if you aren’t willing to shoulder the burden

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Hey schmuck, don’t go telling women what to do it you aren’t willing to shoulder the burden, because as was pointed out, you don’t seem to be jumping out of your chair to pay for them abortions or anything else.

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, you are stone cold stooooopid. WHEN did I tell women what to do? you’re confusing me with theocrats like yourself

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Of course you did stupid, and you know that. If only being stupid, made you right.

          • Gay Veteran

            you are one confused troll

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Lol, someone that has sex with sewers is calling someone else confused. too funny.

          • truxillo

            I know plenty of people who would adopt if they had the money. BTW why blame someone who is anti abortion for abortion? Just asking

          • Gay Veteran

            I’m saying if you want to deny women the right to control their own body then you had better be prepared to shoulder the burden you want to impose on others.
            in other words, if you aren’t willing to adopt then you have no moral authority to speak on the subject

          • Renaissance Girl

            But it’s NOT their own body once they have conceived a child. The woman is sharing it with another human being. The body gives everything that is good to the baby — nutrients, vitamins — and there are even benefits during pregnancy. You’ve been deceived in supporting sick, evil people. It’s not denying them the right, by being anti-abortion. It’s wrong to abort and if you took the time to research what happens during and long after an abortion, you’d realize there is NO CHOICE, because abortion is quite destructive (fatally) to baby and to the mama.

          • Gay Veteran

            “But it’s NOT their own body once they have conceived a child. The woman is sharing it with another human being….”

            That’s your opinion. But forcing a woman to carry to term is nothing but slavery.

          • Renaissance Girl

            It’s not an opinion — it’s science. Something you should look into. Like I said before, I won’t try to understand you or empathize with you. At first, when I was a silent observer looking at this site, I thought that you were being bullied and treated poorly due to being gay, but I now I see that you’re the bully and an ignorant cad. Sayonara!

          • Gay Veteran

            oh yes, I’m a bully because god knows it is sooooooo easy to bully people in the comments section where no one knows anyone else.
            anyone who feels “bullied” here need to grow a spine

          • http://batman-news.com Kullikoff

            His brain only revolves around the male reproductive organ.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwww, troll tried to make a funny.
            can’t argue the merits, eh

          • Bellfri

            Better than your stinky ones.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwww

          • Gay Veteran

            obviously not from you

        • Rebecca

          Gay Veteran, abortion is not about lack of people wanting to adopt the child. It’s about selfishness. Women choose to abort because they don’t want the burden of carrying the child for 9 months. There are countless families on waiting lists for YEARS to try to adopt a baby.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…There are countless families on waiting lists for YEARS to try to adopt a baby.”

            I fixed your sentence: There are countless families on waiting lists for YEARS to try to adopt a WHITE baby.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            LOL, So basically you just made the argument that it’s ok to kill black babies because they’re undesirable.
            YIKES!

          • Gay Veteran

            hey, great strawman you built.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            And then back in reality,
            we all know why Planned Parenthood was founded.
            And then there’s the whole part where PP is disproportionately in black neighborhoods
            and then there’s that whole blacks disproportionately abort their children (in VERY LARGE numbers)
            and then there you are supporting abortion while recognizing white babies want to be adopted.

            So yea, not so much. Or as you said when you crapped your pants when I had the audacity to talk about black people – nuff said.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…So yea, not so much. Or as you said when you crapped your pants when I had the audacity to talk about black people – nuff said.”
            wth? all women are free to choose

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            And all you retards say, no right is absolute. Oh wait, by your words that makes women slaves. WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN SO MUCH!?

            I stand by the assertion.

          • Gay Veteran

            you people always stand that way (i.e., head up a ss)

          • Gay Veteran

            “And all you retards say, no right is absolute….”
            did I say that? no, yet another strawman you built

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Hmmm, you’re gonna have to report back to the hive. Your programming seems to be buggy.

          • Gay Veteran

            whew, the Stoopid is strong with this once. better listen to Rush for your daily propaganda

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            stumbling around on your own twisted logic now, aren’t you?

          • Gay Veteran

            no

          • Renaissance Girl

            No, I think he was saying that most people who are on list for adopting are white and they want white babies. Come on, give him a break, at least Gay Veteran sees how racist people are in this country. It’s sad. Some rich whites don’t want to wait for that white baby so they go to China or Russia to get something with a skin tone closer to their own.

          • Renaissance Girl

            Now, from what I’ve observed, there are some white couples who adopt black babies or mixed babies and I have seen on occasion, who have adopted white children. But, I did get your point. It’s sad and racist. Majority of abortions are in the black community. It’s sad. It started with Planned Parenthood and that racist heifer (can’t recall her name — I think it was Salinger?) Anyway, you do make a point that a lot of these people who cry and lament about the evils of abortion don’t help the women once they have the baby; HOWEVER, that is in no way right to support this murderous, evil act. And I know that you say you’re supporting women, but these women are not empty headed “children” who need your defense of their freedom to do what they want with their bodies. They’re for the most part selfish and just don’t want all of the little extras that come with giving birth to and raising another precious human being.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…And I know that you say you’re supporting women, but these women are not empty headed “children” who need your defense of their freedom to do what they want with their bodies. They’re for the most part selfish and just don’t want all of the little extras that come with giving birth to and raising another precious human being.”

            I support women’s right to control their own body. Because how can you be free if you don’t control your own body.
            And before you lecture these women, one question: how many unwanted babies have you adopted?

          • Renaissance Girl

            I was raped at the age of 18 and kept my baby. If I had the money to adopt more children — I would do it

            Unfortunately I don’t. Be careful who you ask questions to Gay Veteran.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…If I had the money to adopt more children — I would do it….”

            ever stop to think that some pregnant women ALSO don’t have the money to raise a child?

          • Renaissance Girl

            Well said, Rebecca. Also, it’s supposedly quite hard to adopt in U.S.A.

        • Guest

          You’ve posted that question here 3000+ times. You don’t really want to know the number of adoptions. It’s just a lame attempt to attack pro-life supporters.

          Here’s a question for you.

          Many woman have chosen life and are struggling. How many of them have YOU emotionally and financially supported?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Now THAT is a great point. +1000
            You can also bring up why it is that someone that wont have s3x with women is commenting on the byproduct of s3x with women.

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re funny, why it is that someone that wont have s3x with men is commenting on s3x with men.

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            cuz women have babies and men don’t, that’s why

          • Gay Veteran

            aghast, is that you posting under another name?
            same troll BS

          • Gay Veteran

            hmmmm, well let’s see, I’m paying lots of taxes to support those women who do CHOOSE to have a baby.
            so guest, how many unwanted babies have YOU adopted?

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            how many have YOU adopted?

          • Gay Veteran

            ROFLOL, like your kind want Gays to adopt children

        • Guest

          Are you willing to support the mothers who choose life and are struggling? Or do you only support their decision to suck their babies down the sink?

          • Gay Veteran

            well let’s see, I’m paying lots of taxes to support those women who do CHOOSE to have a baby.
            so guest, how many unwanted babies have YOU adopted?

          • Guest

            I’ll take that a a NO.
            See my avatar?

          • Gay Veteran

            maybe you have reading problems:

            I’m paying lots of taxes to support those women who do CHOOSE to have a baby.
            so guest, I answered your question.
            how many unwanted babies have YOU adopted?

          • Gay Veteran

            yes, I see your sophomoric avatar. wrong one judging by your comments

          • Guest

            Paying Taxes and Giving to Charity Aren’t the Same Thing. See avatar.

          • Gay Veteran

            as I said, I see your sophomoric avatar.

          • Guest

            Oh..go play with your dildo.

          • Gay Veteran

            have to get it back from your dad

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            how many have YOU adopted hypocrite?

          • Gay Veteran

            hey junior, explain the hypocrisy

    • Gay Veteran

      oh, so you want to deny children to infertile couples.
      and contraception, allows married couples to decide when to have children. and no, they don’t need approval from theocrats

  • Mainer

    The younger the generation the more indoctrinated they have become to accepting amorality. It will have its serious consequences for leadership decisions and the (their) future in the United States. All nations if they are to survive as a nation need strong moral values not a self-indulgent sweet tooth of decadence. However, moral decay is worldwide and that is an indication that the “unexpected”(for some) Second Coming of JESUS CHRIST is not far off .

    • Mag

      MARANATH (Means the Lord is coming)! Put on the whole armor of God. Pray before your feet hid the ground in the morning and before you close your eyes at night. PRAY PRAY PRAY!

    • Mag

      Correction left out the A in MARANTHA

    • El_Tigre_Loco

      Glory be to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    • Threeper

      The second coming should have happened a long time ago.

      The creator could just pay a visit to pretty much everyone at the same time and tell them to knock it off, problem fixed.

  • YourArticleTickedMeOff

    The last time I checked there is this thing called religious freedom in the US. There is supposed to be anyway. You can banter about the so called loss of morality, but the bottom line is legally is it hurting anyone? It’s not up to anyone to tell anyone else how to live their life, and quite frankly the Christian church has a lot of looking in the mirror to do when it comes to their worship of the state and covering for pedofilic boy lovers in the priesthood.

    You know, since 2001, people have also stood up for their gun rights more and more. Should we roll those back as well? Bible and hunting rifle and carry permit, but shun the “evil” semi auto military rifle?

    • El_Tigre_Loco

      What you say may be true, but when I have to pay for depravity is where I draw the line.

    • Cynical Guy 42

      The article mentioned the issue of rape being too high. I would like to add the recent shooting as immoral. A factor that may matter is the immoral way the boy was treated at his high school.

    • John

      Learn the truth before you speak or write. The horrible deeds committed by the less than two percent of priests were overwhelmingly homosexual attacks (over 80 percent), not pedophile attacks. But since homosexuality is now sacred ground to many, the lie is put out about pedophile priests. Your “worship of the state” comment is bizarre.

      • Gay Veteran

        but the Catholic Church frowns upon homosexuality? why did they protect these priests for decades?

        • ananymous

          The Catholic Church hierarchy has been infiltrated. Look up the name Bella Dodd.

          • Gay Veteran

            I’ll let you “Christians” fight among yourselves

      • Blobee

        Ever notice when a priest is accused of sexual activity with a child, he is automatically a pedophile, but when a public school teacher is caught messing with a student, they had an “inappropriate relationship with a minor.”? I saw the same thing in a news story of a rabbi who had sexual activity with a minor from his synagogue; it was termed an “inappropriate relationship.”

        No bias against the Catholic Church there!

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      .the Christian church has a lot of looking in the mirror to do when it comes to their worship of the state and covering for pedofilic boy lovers in the priesthood.
      worship of the state?

      Amazingly, public schools leave the Catholic church in the dust when it comes to sexual abuse/misconduct. I wonder why we never hear the people that do worship the state acknowledge that.

      • http://batman-news.com Kullikoff

        Beautiful!

    • http://batman-news.com Kullikoff

      The bottom line is that loss of morality legally hurts EVERYONE in society at some point.

      • Gay Veteran

        how does it “legally” hurt everybody?

        • Believer vs Rational Morality

          The idea that rape is immoral goes against the bible and quran.

          Slave ownership is accepted by the bible and quran, hence it is moral.

          Atheists and non-abrahamic believers only tries to separate marriage from slavery and rape in order to destroy these 3 fine institutions.

          Kill off babies and most of the animal population of the world for the deeds of adult humans is done by Yaweh/Allah/God himself, thus it is an act of good.

          What is good and moral is what the strongest (aka Yaweh/Allah/God) decide is good.
          You better Believe or else…

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Slave ownership is accepted by the bible and quran, hence it is moral….”

            only a psychopath would write that

  • DJohn1

    A lot of us believe that if a person chooses to reject God and reject morality, then they are doomed when life ends to go directly to Hell.
    I do not know every scripture and every verse that says that. Do you?
    I agree with you that a lot of people need to correct their own lives before trying to correct someone else’s life. They too may find themselves in Hell when they die. That is the belief.
    As for the technology of guns, I think they are all out of date.
    They have found a lot of mad people are on psychiatric drugs at the time that they went off and killed people. Under psychiatric care of a psychiatrist writing prescriptions as if nothing was wrong and these people should be on the street with everyone else.
    Take that one step further. Who was the trigger person? The one that shot the people, or the one that set it up using drugs and psychiatric techniques that are well known in the field by a number of intelligence agencies with different letters in our government.
    I have no proof. But it smells awful when it comes out they were on drugs supposed to make them calm.
    What is in a name? If a church is full of perverts and it becomes public, the church is the real loser. I do agree that they need to clean house and get rid of anyone that is guilty.

  • TruthIsAll

    Our biggest issue has been with complacency. You can blame a sexually liberal mindset, but it doesn’t seem much different than before. Women still had unplanned pregnancies back then, they simply were more likely to get married. Instead of weed or whatever drugs these days, it was cancer causing cigarettes and legal methamphetamine. Strangely, violent crime has been on the downward trend for a long time even with violent media. I chalk that one up to an escapist and apathetic mindset. Face it, things like abortion, birth control, promiscuity, violence are not new concepts to any society.

    But is that a good thing? There was a time when people would get so mad they’d riot up and down the streets to string the nearest corrupt figurehead from a tree. Somewhere down the line that was thought barbaric and look where we are now. The religious want to blame all the things that have been around forever, but merely ignored and covered up. Those things are merely symptoms of the sickness.

    The ultra-religious revisionist version of America came out of the 1930s. All it did was cover up the blatant erosion of civil rights under the guise of fighting heathen communists. Plenty of good people were outed and put under lamps to question their loyalty to the god fearing American body. No different than any communist country. Maybe there is a God, divine powers, and judgement coming, I can’t disprove or prove it. But one thing is for certain, I don’t live and try to make the world a better place by trying to be on the “winning team” at the end. Get that out of your heads. Moral decay will reverse itself when the people have a fighting spirit and a life to be proud of. But right now, we let the terrible people get away with everything. There should be no wonder others will emulate them.

    These are the symptoms, we must fix the sickness. So stop praying and excusing yourself from action as if you were accomplishing something. Prepare, spread awareness, and fight in every way you can.

    • John

      “stop praying”?

  • B. F.

    “But when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?” (Lk 18:8)

  • Darkhorse

    Lead by example

  • ann onymouse

    The source of the problem is the implementation of CULTURAL MARXISM, which has been on-going for over 50 years.

  • Guest

    All three are reprehensible. All three are Sin.
    Homosexuality is an abomination to God therefore it does harm. But that is your business. Not sure why you proclaim your sexual orientation in your user name. My guess is that you are insecure. You don’t see “heterosexual” in my name tag.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      lol, I love your avatar pic.

    • Gay Veteran

      hey Einstein, your name is “guest”.

      :,,,Homosexuality is an abomination to God….”
      so is eating shellfish. heck, even all of your fellow Christians don’t agree with you

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        You’re gonna wanna check out Mathew 15:11.

        Not so much on the shellfish. But I’ll give it to you, you tend to put things in your mouth that defile you.
        “fellow Christians” != God.

        • Gay Veteran

          oh, so now you want to cherry pick your verses.
          and the fact remains that all Christians do not agree on the subject, but I guess you’re the “true” christian

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            divide and conquer won’t work here

          • Gay Veteran

            you Christians are already divided

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            LOL I’m not Christian, jerk!

          • Gay Veteran

            well hoo-ray for you, a sswipe

          • Mecca Wrecka

            I wonder if some people here should direct their comments to Jesus. How would that come across to Him?

    • Love everyone

      I think it’s important to note that being a homosexual is not a sin but acting on it is. The same goes for being heterosexual. Being a heterosexual is not a sin, but acting on it outside of marriage is. But Gay Veteran is wrong to say homosexuality does not harm anyone and wrong to say those are the reasons religion exists

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        ‘wrong’ is his forte.

        • Gay Veteran

          looking into the mirror again, eh

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            oooh, you’re so clever. you got me. /rolls eyes.

      • http://www.renegaderadio.org/ William E Bauer

        The dogma of the Church states that all sexual acts must be within a marriage and open to procreation.
        You are free to draw your conclusions after reading that truth.

        • Gay Veteran

          oh, so infertile couples can’t marry? the elderly can’t marry?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You think infertile people aren’t open to procreate?

          • Gay Veteran

            did I say that?
            NO, yet again another strawman

          • http://www.renegaderadio.org/ William E Bauer

            I believe you already know the answer.

          • Gay Veteran

            as you said, the dogma of the Church states that all sexual acts must be within a marriage and open to procreation, and yet these infertile people can still marry

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            they won’t know they are infertile til after marriage. same with the elderly.
            and they don’t use their bodies in the unnatural way gays do.

          • Gay Veteran

            guess you failed biology in high school

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            I didn’t, did you?

          • Gay Veteran

            obviously if you think all infertile people don’t find out until after marriage

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            it takes a long time to find out if you’re infertile or not, duh

          • Gay Veteran

            and yet it does not require marriage

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            Does marriage scare you?

          • Gay Veteran

            no

          • ZephyrLux

            You might want to catch up on the last 50 years of medical advancement before saying stupid things like this.

      • Gay Veteran

        those are precisely why religion exists

  • JS

    And if you notice, the prosperity and liberty are disappearing. This is a country infected by Marxists, Cultural Marxists, Socialists, and Communists everyone’s been looking for and they have thoroughly infiltrated the power centers of society (education, government, media, finance) . The radicals in the 60-70s are now all grown up. The youth are systematically brainwashed into the hardcore leftist ideology in the schools, these low level liberals want a socialist banana republic third world country, they might just get it. But the good news is every generation has its counterculture. Let’s hope this is a counterculture against tyranny.

    • Gay Veteran

      hey junior, you left out the multinational corporations sending Americans jobs to China, India, Vietnam, Mexico, etc. and they ain’t “Marxists, Cultural Marxists, Socialists, and Communists”

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        Which would be a result of the influence of the cultural marxism you seem to be blind to.

        Golly, if I have no kind of guidance that leads me to want to watch out for and protect my community, then I guess there’s nothing really telling me it’s wrong to eschew the local over the foreign guy I can pay slave wages to.

        • Gay Veteran

          riiiiiiiiiiiiight, the korporate oligarchs are “Marxists, Cultural Marxists, Socialists, and Communists”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            *cough* George Soros, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs. Idiot.

          • Gay Veteran

            got crow in mouth?
            Koch brothers, Wall Street banksters, military industrial complex, etc.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Homosexuality sends souls to hell and destroys mental and physical health.

    • Gay Veteran

      bilge.
      like you KNOW the will of god.
      destroys mental and physical health? no more than heterosexuality

      • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

        heterosexuals’ bodies belong together, gays’ bodies obviously don’t.

        • Gay Veteran

          Nature disagrees

          • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

            Abnormal nature, screwed up nature, like yourself.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, how can nature be abnormal?
            oh wait, you’re proof of that

  • anonymous

    Homosexuality is a scientific theory I do not ascribe to. Acts of perversion have two very bad factual results: 1. They are a public health hazard and 2 They are a misuse of our body parts and carry serous biological results for which no honest doctor would recommend for any reason. No one should play in the body’s sewer system

    • Gay Veteran

      bilge.
      scientific theory? are you retarded?
      religion exists for 2 reasons:
      (1) man fears death,
      (2) as a means of social control (obey the king or you’ll go to h ell)

      • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

        he said nothing about religion; he was mentioning the harms of homosexuality.

        • Gay Veteran

          religion is the usual basis for his kind of bigotry

      • Syrin

        The vast majority of pedophiles are homosexual, but I guess child victims don’t concern you.

        • Gay Veteran

          wow, the next thing out of your
          s hithole (oh, I meant piehole) is some slander against Jews, Blacks, Latinos, etc.

    • Mike B

      “Don’t play in the bodys sewer”

      And how do you piss? Moron.

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    Tell that to all people that got AIDS infected transfusions from homos.

    • Gay Veteran

      And all the people that got AIDS infected transfusions from heteros?

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        that’s an interesting hypothesis and all, but when I lived thru the 80s homosexuality is where AIDS came from and when that was figured out, that’s why homos were forbidden from donating blood. And it’s a shame that your diseases have spread to the hetero community.

        It’s interesting that after the gaystapo started it’s reign of terror everyone waffled. Did you know that as a result of my living in Europe in the 80s I’ve been banned from giving blood due to some tainted meat scare. I have no disease, but somehow I’m a big risk. isn’t that interesting.

        • Gay Veteran

          “… And it’s a shame that your diseases have spread to the hetero community….”
          wow, the Stoopid is strong with this one. Guess you don’t know that AIDS originated in Africa where it affects heterosexuals and homosexuals.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            denial. Meanwhile back in reality, you should get a G.R.I.P. on yourself. Yup, that’s an acronym they came up with after AIDS was (once again) first discovered amongst the people that have sewer s3x in San Francisco.

          • Gay Veteran

            moron, try reading up on the origins of AIDS in Africa:

            Where did HIV come from?

            Scientists identified a type of chimpanzee in West Africa as the source of HIV infection in humans. They believe that the chimpanzee version of the immunodeficiency virus (called simian immunodeficiency virus or SIV) most likely was transmitted to humans and mutated into HIV when humans hunted these chimpanzees for meat and came into contact with their infected blood. Over decades, the virus slowly spread across Africa and later into other parts of the world.

            The earliest known case of infection with HIV-1 in a human was detected in a blood sample collected in 1959 from a man in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (How he became infected is not known.) Genetic analysis of this blood sample suggested that HIV-1 may have stemmed from a single virus in the late 1940s or early 1950s…

            For many years scientists theorized as to the origins of HIV and how it appeared in the human population, most believing that HIV originated in other primates. Then in 1999, an international team of researchers reported that they had discovered the origins of HIV-1, the predominant strain of HIV in the developed world. A subspecies of chimpanzees native to west equatorial Africa had been identified as the original source of the virus. The researchers believe that HIV-1 was introduced into the human population when hunters became exposed to infected blood.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            So you homos like Monkey AND sewer s3x? Grody to the max. Gag me with a spoon.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, it was you hets
            scre wing a monkey (female, of course)

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            “you hets scre wing a monkey ”
            Umm, sure.

    • 35wormhole

      repeating the bible like a parrot

  • Blobee

    I’m sure you have heard the recent news story about the two 12 year old girls in Wisconsin who lured a third girl on the pretext of a slumber party, only to take her into the woods and attempt to stab her to death.
    Amidst all the hand wringing going on in the press over this, I have found myself thinking, “Well, what do you expect will happen when you outlaw the moral code?”
    I am on the edge of my seat as to how this wonderful, liberal society will deal with these types of activities as time goes on.
    Geez, they’ve installed metal detectors and cameras in schools, yet, the incidents of murder and attempted murder among kids is INCREASING. And in spite of never having (or needing these in the past) the incidence was low when Judeo-Christian morality was taught even in the public schools.
    I can’t wait to see how this liberal utopia pans out.

    • Gay Veteran

      sounds like the parents did a pretty lousy job raising their kids.

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        according to your leftist heros, it takes a village tho.

        • Gay Veteran

          the Stoopid, it burns.
          did your parents’ neighbors help look after you?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            deflect, redirect.

          • Gay Veteran

            you have the reading comprehension of a two year old

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            deflect,redirect,have two year old’s tantrum

          • Gay Veteran

            I suggest to get treatment for your tertiary syphilis.

            AGAIN, did your parents’ neighbors help look after you?

          • Gay Veteran

            “deflect,redirect….”

            gee, you really don’t get “it takes a village”, do you. it basically means your neighbors will help look out for you, sorry if that is too complicated for you to understand

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            C’mon, you know that’s not what Hillary and you leftists mean when you say that. And there’s no evidence you leftists mean it in practice either.

          • Gay Veteran

            Hilary?
            ROFLOL, you mean the one who proved that women can be psychopaths just like men?
            you pick your jaw off the floor now, because I just proved you know nothing about my political views

          • Renaissance Girl

            Gay Veteran, has said this often on this site that he is NOT for the Republicans or Democrats, leftists, etc., and I don’t know why a lot of you assume that because he’s homosexual that he serves the “leftists liberals”. It’s as dumb as assuming that because Obama is half black and considers himself black that every black or half black person voted for him. It’s sad that even though there are a lot of things I passionately don’t agree with Gay Veteran about, he’s more knowledgeable about some of these hard facts than the rest of you! Sheesh.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            We acknowledge that he serves the “leftists liberals” because all the twaddle he spouts is in support of leftist liberals and is straight out of their idiotic talking points. Those are different from being in possession of the hard facts, BTW.

            If you don’t know who the hell GV is then STHU and stop harassing me until you know who GV is. Sheesh

          • Renaissance Girl

            Don’t tell me what to do. :0) I can share my opinion just like anyone else. Go in the corner and serve a time out, Malcolm. And yes, I have learned who GV is. He does say idiotic things and he does seem to revel in ignorance, but some of the things you posters say is equally ignorant. Sheesh.

          • Renaissance Girl

            You’re right. That is what it should mean, but I don’t know if that’s what the elitist want it to mean. Ahh, the lovely world of doublespeak.

          • Gay Veteran

            “deflect,redirect….”
            you sound like Jesse Jackson

  • Vance Decker

    If Christians wanted to help out, then for one, they should start living by their own values, both at home, and at work.

    I’ve noticed many so called Christians in business seem to think that saying “it’s just business” and forming a corporation, absolves them from acting in a decent manner. So, being that the majority of CEO’s in this country are WASP – white anglo saxon Protestants, then imagine it, if they all started acting like the Christians they claimed to be, what an incredible world this would be.

    • Ezra Pound

      Jews are FAR, FAR more responsible for the lack of moral behavior of “corporations” than “WASPs.” It is Jews who promote immorality through their control of media.

      • Gay Veteran

        given enough time it was expected that the anti-semites would show up

  • Captain Canuck

    For you to imply that sexual abuse and rape are ‘socially liberal’ or they are somehow condoned by social liberals, is absolutely and utterly deplorable.

    These are devious, criminal acts, which should be punished to the full extent of the law.

  • Ed

    The year 2017 is the most probable year that the Lord will return…”Watch! Watch! Watch!”

  • Gay Veteran

    I don’t know. Why do some people STILL support the war crimes we committed in Iraq?

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      There’s that ol change of subject when you don’t like the answer.
      To protect the homos and the harm they cause, of course

      • Gay Veteran

        I answered your question, and posed another. sorry if your 2 brains cells are disturbed about that

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Nah, you deflected then redirected. sorry your lack of any brain cells don’t understand that.

          • Gay Veteran

            you don’t read well.

            I answered your question, and posed another. sorry if your 2 brains cells are disturbed about that

          • Gay Veteran

            deflected? what was my direct answer to your question? let me repeat it: “I don’t know….”

            so yet again you’re a liar

        • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

          getting angry, are we?

          • Gay Veteran

            uh, no

    • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

      you’d love to be a protected class, wouldn’t you? But you won’t be after awhile, you’ve dug your own graves.

      • Gay Veteran

        protected class? you’re not very smart, are you

  • krinks

    Nonsense. Tell that to the many victims of the Roman Catholic Church who knowingly allowed homosexual men to become Priests trusting them to have self control around young boys. Whole dioceses are bankrupt as a result of this misplaced trust.

    • Gay Veteran

      you didn’t see the gay community protect those priests, it was your fellow Christians in the catholic church.

      “…They couldn’t stop. Incapable of self control…..”

      or they didn’t believe the BS coming out of the government

  • Bored of this nonsense

    What a load of religious rubbish. I’ve noticed recently that every article comes complete with a holier than thou tone and religious values. Most couples ‘move in together’ before getting married? The horror! Get a grip. You can’t keep looking to control people with an ancient work of fiction. Oh and nice homophobia here.

    • http://batman-news.com Kullikoff

      Control people with an ancient work of fiction? Even the most ancient, furthest removed, primitive, animist societies have held that couples may only live together after a proper marriage ceremony. The only work of fiction around here is how wonderful “progressive thought” is transforming American society.

      • Ezra Pound

        Amen! Thank you! These “liberal” social engineers who want to erase traditional human societies and behaviors are a threat to all human beings. If they were allowed to put their ideas fully into practice, the only result would be the extermination of the human race. Most don’t know it, but their hatred of families and familial life is rooted in a hatred Christ. The people who promote these anti-life, anti-family, anti-human beliefs are the spiritual and ideological descendants of those who hated and killed Christ.

        • Bored of this nonsense

          I’m not a liberal. I’m not anti family. I’m not anything like you imagine. I was brought up with many of the values Michael has. I admire his work and i’m not really that much different to most of you. I happen to be an atheist and believe in not judging others and letting live. If people are gay etc that is not my concern. They should be treated equally in my eyes. These articles really do have a religious spin though and what is painted as erroding of moral values is really just religious nonsense. For example, living together before being married is not a bad thing.
          Like I said, we aren’t so different. I’m from the UK so I have no business commenting on your country (which yes, is the greatest on Earth and you all deserve much better). I mainly come here for the economic articles because that is a global problem.
          All the best to you all and I hope your country, my country and the entire world can find a way out of this.

          • Gay Veteran

            this country is not the greatest on earth, we have become a fascist state bent on world hegemony

          • Ezra Pound

            Yes, and the “gay” agenda of infantilizing all peoples and enslaving them to base sexual practices is part and parcel of the evil of “US” hegemony. The “US” promotes homosexuality in order to destroy the moral fabric of societies it wishes to destroy, including America.

          • Gay Veteran

            infantilizing? project much, pharisee?

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Ezra Pharisee, you’re living in the wrong country, try Saudi Arabia

          • nofrills

            If you were in Saudi Arabia you would be executed due to your lifestyle. Go visit and see for yourself.

          • Gay Veteran

            duh

          • Renaissance Girl

            I think he meant to say “once” greatest . . .

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            “what is painted as erroding of moral values is really just religious nonsense”

            And yet the decline of religious morality coincide really nicely with the cultural degradation and societal collapse that is seen all around. Interesting how that has works.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…the decline of religious morality….”

            and where are the parents?!?!?

      • Gay Veteran

        you ever hear of polygamy?

        • Ezra Pound

          Yeah, the societies that practice it outside of its immediate realm of necessity (i.e., in warlike tribes whose men are killed off in battle and thus REQUIRE polygamy in order to maintain the social balance) invariably self-destruct. I will pray for you “gay” veteran, though I suspect you are probably a “sad” person inside. I will pray for you.

          • Gay Veteran

            like the Mormons?
            best pray for yourself, pharisee

          • Ezra Pound

            I hope you work out your issues someday, Sad Vet.

          • Gay Veteran

            I hope you work out your issues someday, Sad Ezra Pharisee

          • nofrills

            Seek the Lord JESUS CHRIST. Repent and you shall be saved.

          • Gay Veteran

            try thinking for yourself

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Lie. Mormons had to renounce polygamy to achieve statehood.

          • Gay Veteran

            since my comment isn’t being accepted: so you admit they practiced polygamy BEFORE statehood? and some still do.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            strawman and lie.
            Him: “societies that practice it ”

            You: “like the Mormons”
            Notice the current tense of what he said and your lie. Yes, they practiced it before statehood. Nobody said they didn’t. Ergo, you’re a liar.
            No, they do not still practice it, which is why those people are called FLDS, not LDS.

            I’m done conversing with you today. talking to you is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer. It only feels good when you stop. You couldn’t be truthful if you tried with your warped, idiotic view of life.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, I was responding to Ezra Pound:

            “Yeah, the societies that practice it outside of its immediate realm of necessity (i.e., in warlike tribes whose men are killed off in battle and thus REQUIRE polygamy in order to maintain the social balance) invariably self-destruct.”

            don’t you think that comment is based on history?
            or are you confused, yet again

        • http://batman-news.com Kullikoff

          Which is what? Marriage. You are as daft as you are gay.

          • Gay Veteran

            uh, yes, polygamy was marriage

    • Ezra Pound

      Healthy families are the basis of all civil society. How can society go on existing when you attack its very foundations? “religious rubbish” as you call it is the basis of our culture and society. Once it is taken away, a society has about 2 or 3 generations before it self destructs. “homophobia”? The abhorrence of sodomy and those who practice it is a normal human reaction. Only those human beings that have been indoctrinated find sodomy acceptable and “equal” to fruitful matrimony.

      • Bored of this nonsense

        Religion is not the basis of society. I am an atheist and yet I have the majority of the same values you do.

        • Gay Veteran

          the only value that counts is the Golden Rule:

          Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.

          —Udanavarga 5:18

      • Gay Veteran

        man, your comments reek of self-righteousness and moral superiority.
        go pray on a street corner like a good little pharisee

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          “your comments reek of self-righteousness and moral superiority.”
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      • Guest

        Well put.

  • Name

    Where has my comment gone? Censored?

    • Name

      Apologies, just found it.

  • Tom Harris

    There’s a world war going on on good values, on what’s right, and what’s wrong. But as someone once said: Right is right if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong if everybody is wrong.
    Now you know why the Blessed Virgin Mary has been appearing to 6 children (now adults) in Medjugorje since June 25, 1981 every day and giving them 10-secrets about future world events. It’s been almost 33 years now, so it won’t be much longer now before the world gets a taste of the consequences of offending the God who made them. But then it will be too late!

    • Gay Veteran

      “…Now you know why the Blessed Virgin Mary has been appearing to 6 children (now adults) in Medjugorje since June 25, 1981 every day and giving them 10-secrets about future world events…..”

      are you high?

  • metalious

    Typical. I thought this post might allude to the collapse of moral value that has occurred from embracing a Darwinist interpretation of capitalism.

    Have you seen that? Or are you just concerned with people’s bedroom behavior?

    Don’t mistake. I’m actually a social traditionalist. But sexual morays, and even the decimation of the family structure pale in comparison to the rise of the Accepted Sociopath in modern society.

    Have you seen that? The New Sociopath? Forged by the ideology the radical right, from Ayn Rand to the bankster, free market sociopaths like Alan Greenspan, who was actually a disciple of Ayn Rand all the way to Ron and Rand Paul, this new breed of sociopath places ideology above human decency and dignity, and embraces greed and selfishness as virtues. (See: Thre Virtues of Selfishnessw by Ayn Rand.)

    Does letting millions of children go hungry because feeding them would create dependence of government fit your definition of “moral crisis”?

    If so, then that makes you a Wingtard. How do you know if you’re a Wingtard? You have the conscience of an insect. You can watch millions suffer, and feel nothing from it. And yet feel repulsion by human sexual activity you find “immoral”.

    The Christian Right is full of sociopathic Wingtards. Which is ironic since Jesus clearly hates them. I wonder if Jesus hates you.

    • Gay Veteran

      interesting points.
      but the ayatollah wannabes here aren’t interested in economic causes of family breakups

    • Eric Quintero

      Yes, because calling to “End the Fed” is blasphemy.
      Where are you getting your information from? You sound like a disinfo artist.

      • metalious

        It is typical to try and create a straw man. In fact, I support some of the ideas of the libertarians – like ending the Fed.

        What makes the Pauls sociopaths is their willingness to embrace their ideology even when it clearly will lead to children dying without health care. Or the unemployed starve because the free market.

        Libertarian/conservative ideology is sociopathic – even if some of their ideas are not.

        You place individual freedom above social responsibility. Well, what about society’s freedom to create democratic, interdependent systems that enable millions to have a decent life.

        Your sociopathic notions of freedom would have us fighting for scraps in the streets. One corporation would own and run the world. The environment would die even faster than it is now. The world libertarians would create would be a nightmarish ruin.

        To call you a barbarian is an insult to barbarians. You are not only immoral, you are stupid. You would condemn your own children to a life of slavery under the Walton family.

        • Eric Quintero

          Ugh did this website delete my post again?

  • Gay Veteran

    you have a brain, think for yourself

  • Gay Veteran

    logic fail, but then I expect that from a religious fundamentalist

  • Marianna Breeding

    Good Morning Lord. I pray no one hurts you today especially me. Help me not have a thought, say a word or do a deed against another person. Give me patience especially with those I love. And Lord ( state your intention). Amen. Just me ( state your name so when you die The Lord won’t say “And who are you?”). M B from Denton Md

  • Gay Veteran

    gee, how about throwing out ANY priest who victimizes a child (male OR female)

  • Gay Veteran

    man, your tertiary syphilis is out of control

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      You ran out of things to say but you just gotta say something, so you recycle my criticism of you….
      Awesome.

      • Gay Veteran

        hmmm, like the pot calling the kettle black

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    Some even catch AIDS on purpose
    I heard about stuff like that. To show solidarity with their infected partners. Whatever the hell that means.

  • Gay Veteran

    awwww, I bet you miss the 50s when you could say n i g g e r

    • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

      Changing the subject cuz I keep winning the argument?
      You didn’t respond to what I said: faggots were spreading AIDS, and they knew it.
      Faggots are just vicious low-life.
      That’s what you are.

      • Gay Veteran

        nope, just pointing out how you proved to everyone here what a pathetic bigot you are.
        now put some white sheets on and go on over to your local Klan meeting

        • disqus_4Jy24XjH8I

          Can’t answer to what I’m saying, can you?
          Like the low IQ individual you are, you keep changing the subject.

          • Gay Veteran

            you prove there’s no arguing with a bigot, now run along

  • Gay Veteran

    life is great when you’re in the majority and can impose your will on others

  • Gay Veteran

    could those Christians be wrong?
    maybe, who knows, maybe YOU are wrong. but I’m not going to take any lectures on morality coming from a book that didn’t even get slavery right

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      MMM, you’re a occutard democrat so don’t blame the book for something you support.

      • Gay Veteran

        I’ll admit one thing: you’re consistently wrong. I’m not a democrat, nor a republican, because they are 2 sides of the same coin (or haven’t you figured that out by now?)

  • Gay Veteran

    you sound like the Lester Maddox of our time

  • Gay Veteran

    wow, you don’t know me but you know my family. been looking into your crystal ball again, or is it just crystal meth

  • John Miller

    Look at anceint Greece & Rome…Need any more said?

    • Renaissance Girl

      Well said, John.

  • ZephyrLux

    Sigh. OK, let me give you two hypothetical yet very real examples of situations where a person would KNOW they can’t have children before marriage.

    - Individual is involved in a serious accident that does permanent damage to necessary organs involved in having children.

    -Individual is born with a birth defect that renders them unable to have children from day one.

    You see, in situations like this you will find out you cannot have kids due to a medical issue and not because you are trying to have a child at that very moment.

    Now I’m not really interested in the rest of the argument going on here but it’s absurd to think that no one on the planet finds out they are infertile/cannot procreate until they start having sex.

    So yes, if you believe marriage is exclusively for the purpose of having children and that the inability to have children should prevent you from being allowed to wed you must also agree that plenty of straight people, including straight Christians, should not be allowed to get married.

  • http://sephrtbmods.webs.com eldigato

    Sex between an unmarried man and woman – I think saving yourself (whatever gender you are) until marraige is stupid not because I’m against the idea of loyalty, but because once you get married, the sex stops. Marriage is a scam and 80% of divorces are made by women. I hate the idea of sexual casualization. If you’re gonna bone someone make sure it’s during a relationship. I think that’s a reasonable, non-extremist and level-headed opinion..

    Divorce

    The effects of divorce are extensive and cause a lot of conflict on families. Elliot Rodger dealt with family divorce. Same with adam lanza. And btw 80% of divorces are initiated by women. They don’t marry for love, they just marry for alimony and taking all our stuff. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA so much for feminism.

    Having a baby outside of marriage
    You should only have a baby if you’re married, and only after you’ve given it plenty of time that you have good faith that it’ll work out.

    Gay or lesbian relations
    LOL. Look if they’re annoying or tumblr feminazis – extremists than I hate those people too but who gives a fuck what LGBT people do? You’re just in the closet when all you think about is gay people dude.

    Medical research using stem cells from human embryos

    Let’s hold back scientific and technological progress!

    Pornography
    I love porn to an extent but between mormon idiocy of banning porn and liberal degeneracy like San francisco I think being in the middle of that debate is the only logical thing you can do.

    Access to porn decreases rape. But at the same time most porn is messed up nowadays.

    Suicide
    Suicide is society’s fault. We’re a corrupt, morally bankrupt and savage society which produces 15,000 gun homicides a year, countless acts of mass murder and like 30~50,000 suicides / yr as well.

    Cloning Humans

    LOL really?