Why Do So Many Preachers In America Refuse To Talk About Hell?

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Hell Bridge - Public DomainWhen was the last time you heard a sermon about hell?  Just think about that for a moment.  Once upon a time in America, preachers all across the land regularly unleashed fiery sermons that directly confronted people with the reality of heaven and hell.  But today, that has completely changed.  In fact, there are some very well-known ministers in this country that purposely avoid ever using the word “hell” because it might offend someone.  It turns out that “happy church” can be a very lucrative business model, and many people seem to love the “me first” prosperity gospel that has infected virtually all of the major denominations at this point.  So there are countless messages about “blessing”, “breakthrough” and how God can make your life better, and very, very little preaching about sin, judgment, the cross and the urgency that we should feel to reach lost souls with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

The Apostle Paul wrote about a time when lukewarm believers would surround themselves with preachers that would tell them exactly what their itching ears want to hear.  This is what 2 Timothy 4:3-4 says in the Modern English Version

For the time will come when people will not endure sound doctrine, but they will gather to themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires, having itching ears, and they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn to myths.

Is this not precisely what is happening in the western world today?

We have put the gospel on the back burner, and we have exalted preachers that endlessly fill our ears with messages that make us feel better.

Meanwhile, Americans are starting to turn away from the church altogether in alarming numbers.

To celebrate it’s 200th anniversary, the American Bible Society recently released a new report entitled “The Bible in America”.  What this report had to say about the state of Christianity in the United States was not good news

The research found the reasons included a decline in the number of Americans who believe the Bible is sacred literature from 86% in 2011 to 80% in 2016. Plus there’s a drop in the number of people who say the Bible is sufficient as a guide for meaningful living from 77% in 2011 to 67% in 2016.

In 2015, CBN’s Paul Strand reported how faith is losing its foothold in America.

Millennials in particular are driving these declines as the age group with the most respondents saying there were no books they considered sacred. Sixty-two percent said they have never read the Bible.

Our youngest adults, the Millennials, are far more likely to reject the Christian faith than any generation that has preceded them.  Just consider the following information that comes directly out of a Pew Research Center report

Millennials – especially the youngest Millennials, who have entered adulthood since the first Landscape Study was conducted – are far less religious than their elders. For example, only 27% of Millennials say they attend religious services on a weekly basis, compared with 51% of adults in the Silent generation. Four-in-ten of the youngest Millennials say they pray every day, compared with six-in-ten Baby Boomers and two-thirds of members of the Silent generation. Only about half of Millennials say they believe in God with absolute certainty, compared with seven-in-ten Americans in the Silent and Baby Boom cohorts. And only about four-in-ten Millennials say religion is very important in their lives, compared with more than half in the older generational cohorts.

We are steadily becoming less religious as a nation.

But even though that is the case, another Pew survey did find that 72 percent of Americans still believe in heaven and 58 percent of Americans still believe in hell.

So even though our society is moving away from God at a frightening pace, most people still acknowledge the reality of heaven and hell.

Most people still understand that God is going to hold them accountable for their actions, and that they are going to go somewhere when they die.

So why are so many preachers afraid to talk about these things in our day?

Where are the men like Charles Finney, D.L. Moody and Charles Spurgeon that won multitudes of souls for their Savior and literally changed the course of history with their fiery preaching?

Sadly, most churches in the United States have already gone apostate.  You may not want to hear this, but it is true.

The good news, however, is that God is still moving.  In a previous article, I discussed how a 40-year-old prophecy from David Wilkerson is literally coming true right in front of our eyes.  He saw the rise of a “supernatural invisible church” that would include believers of all types and that would shake the world in the last days…

I see the rise of a super church, a supernatural invisible church, a union of deeply spiritual followers of Jesus Christ, bound together through the Holy Spirit and mutual confidence in Christ and in his word.

This supernatural church of true believers will become a kind of underground church. It will include Catholics and Protestants of all denominations, young and old, black and white, and people of all nations. While this visible super church gains political power this invisible body of believers will grow tremendously in spiritual power.

This power will come from persecution. The persecution madness that is coming upon this earth will drive these Christians closer together and closer to Jesus Christ. They will be less concerned about denominational ties and more concerned and emphasis on the coming of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit will bring together as one people in all walks of life.

My wife and I talked about this “Remnant” that is arising during one of our recent television shows and I also discuss it in my new book entitled “The Rapture Verdict“.  God is raising up an army, and there is no church, denomination or individual that is in charge of it.  Instead, it is an organic move of God that is happening largely outside of the institutional church.  In fact, if the institutional church does not wake up, it is in danger of being completely left behind by what is happening.

And I am completely convinced that we are going to see the greatest harvest of souls in the history of the church in these last days.  God is raising up men and women of God that are going to preach passionately about the reality of sin, judgment, hell and the cross.  They aren’t going to be afraid to offend people, because they are going to be consumed with a passion to help people find eternal life through Jesus Christ.

I want you to imagine something for a moment.

Imagine a line that stretches from one side of your computer screen to the other.

That is your life.  Whether it is 20 years long or 120 years long, it had a beginning and it is going to have an end.

Now imagine that line continuing past the end of your computer screen and traveling out of your house and across the street.  From there, imagine it traveling at a very high rate of speed from city to city, country to country, until it encircles our planet literally millions upon millions of times without ever stopping.

That is eternity.

If the Bible is correct, you have a choice to make.

You can choose Jesus and spend forever with Him, or you can choose to reject Him and be forever separated from your Creator.

Heaven and hell are both very real, and the Son of the Living God came to this planet and died an incredibly brutal death on a Roman cross so that eternal life could be offered to you as a free gift.

If you want to have a relationship with Him, it is very easy.  Just repent of your sins and invite Jesus Christ to come into your life.  He will forgive every evil thing that you have ever done, and He will give you a life that is never going to have an ending.

I pray that you will make that decision today.

*About the author: Michael Snyder is the founder and publisher of End Of The American Dream. Michael’s controversial new book about Bible prophecy entitled “The Rapture Verdict” is available in paperback and for the Kindle on Amazon.com.*

   
  • Kim

    Hell is a false teaching.

    • JB

      Stop reading false doctrine like “Love Wins.” Jesus preached more about the dangers of hell than virtually any other topic. Otherwise, what did He come to earth to die on a cross for?

      • Terri Barlow

        If there is no hell, why do we have to repent? why do we need salvation ? Because there is a place for the ungodly to be separated from a Holy God

        • JB

          I assume you’re responding to Kim?

          • Terri Barlow

            yes I was,

    • Ted

      If Hell is a false teaching, what is the alternative to Heaven?

    • Guest

      Wow, Kim, if you truly believe that, you are deceived. Having read many of your past comments on this site and The Economic Collapse Blog, I’m surprised to see you state such a thing.

      • Kim

        Ive never espoused this teaching. Lemme get this straight, u think that sinners that sin, then die, go on to further punishment in a place (not even taught in the bible) that God himself set up, to be tortured forever? So 80 or so years of sin (average life expectancy) warrants an eternity of torture as punishment? That is so irrational and illogical. Even a child can perceive this is not a balanced view of justice and love and mercy. But if u want to think “hell”, as taught and perpetuated by Islam and Catholicism as a means to control, is real, u are no different than those twisted, man-made religions designed to serve men, and not a loving Creator.

        I feel repulsed by this teaching, so much so, I am going to delete the bookmark to this site after this post. It’s just repulsive to me that anyone calling themselves a man of God would promote such a God-dishonoring, blasphemous teaching such as hell. Besides, there are other indicators and have been for a while now that this site is designed to promote and sell $$$ religious materials and promote men rather than the true word of God.

        • Gay Veteran

          “…So 80 or so years of sin (average life expectancy) warrants an eternity of torture as punishment? That is so irrational and illogical. Even a child can perceive this is not a balanced view of justice and love and mercy….”

          a little too logical for the fundies here

    • PET2

      TAUGHT BY WHOM, JESUS, WHO CREATED THE PLACE?

      • PET2

        RECORDED THE CONVERSATION OF THE RICH MAN THERE WITH ABRAHAM

  • zezima

    uhh all those new translations remove the word hell that’s why. kjv or bust!

  • Jeremy Roberts

    I think they pretty much realized how annoying when they scream at them if they dont believe in god THEY WILL BURN IN HELL!!!!!!!

    I get that sometime, honest i just like to be in peace and relax. i may dont believe in god but i still like his principles of peace. Those people drive people away.

    Greatlicht

  • Scott

    “‘Prosperity gospel”

    So we shouldn’t be prosperous? That’s not what God says:

    3 John 1:2 –

    “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.”

    Michael, I can only encourage you not to become a modern day pharisee and discourage people from seeking the riches of God’s kingdom available through his love and grace.

    • Jacynthia Read

      “‘Prosperity gospel” is the biggest lie of them all. That verse is taken out of context. God wants us to prosper, yes, but He did not mean in the same sense that prosperity teachers teach it. Who among the Apostles were rich in a worldly way? Was Jesus? No. But they had abundant riches where it really counted. Jesus said “Do not store up riches here on Earth where moths and thieves can corrupt and steal.” Place your treasure in Heaven where no man can take it away from you.

      The Prosperity Gospel robs you spiritually and leaves you naked and emaciated in the spiritual realm. Read about the Church of Laodicea. Rev 3:14-22 This is the Church Age of Laodicea, the 7th Church of Asia Minor, the 7th Church Age. The Prosperity Church is Laodicea.

      • Preacher62

        Amen, The prosperity Gospel is not of God but from the enemy.

        • Scott

          Do you agree or disagree with what God says in this passage:

          Ephesians 3:20 –

          “Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us”

          • Preacher62

            Those who belong to God ask for different things than those who are in love with the world. If we are In Christ then we have died to this world. The things that a child of God seeks and asks for are of a spiritual nature as we no longer see value in the things of the world.
            (James 4:2–3) “2 Yet you don’t have what you want because you don’t ask God for it. 3 And even when you ask, you don’t get it because your motives are all wrong—you want only what will give you pleasure.”

          • Scott

            Philippians 4:19 –

            And my God will liberally supply your every need according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.

          • Jacynthia Read

            That verse is not talking about wealth in terms of money.

          • Scott

            So what you’re saying is money cannot be one of the “needs” that God can provide?

          • Preacher62

            If its a “need” yes every time. But not for wasting on the things that only exist to keep us from doing what he put us here to do which is to go and make disciples and to teach these disciples to obey everything he commanded us. Those gifts come from Satan. (“Forget this God stuff and bow down and worship me, and I will give you all the cities of the world”) Paraphrased.

          • iris

            Amen! Yes in Jesus, has to be in and with and by Him, according to His will.

          • PET2

            ABRAHAM AND JOB WERE WEALTHY ,VERY WEALTHY, AND SOLOMON, SO IS WEALTH ONLY FOR A FEW?

          • Preacher62

            The old covenant was a physical covenant made up of physical promises and blessings. The new covenant is a spiritual covenant made up of spiritual promises and blessings. Their gifts from God were physical because Christ’s sacrifice on man’s behalf had not yet been accomplished therefore there could be no promises made to them concerning Heaven. Following Jesus today would make it practically impossible for one to be wealthy. That being said, the poorest among the commenters on this board including myself fall into the top 5% of the richest people in all the world and in all of history. Those who can simply afford to eat 3 meals a day fall into that category. So, that leaves myself and sooooooo many others with some serious soul searching to do prior to judgment day. When the rich man Jesus warned us about is Bill Gates his parables are easy to swallow. When the rich man he refers to is myself they take on an entirely different meaning. God Bless

          • Preacher62

            Again, those who belong to God think in terms of spiritual things. Those who still belong to the world think in terms of mammon. What you seek is exactly what you will find but if you are seeking mammon do not expect to find God on the other end. The fact that word “riches” means money to you should scare you to death.

          • Scott

            Where did I say “riches” only means money?

          • Jacynthia Read

            That’s what Prosperity Gospel is all about. I know. I came out of it.

          • K

            Well done, that is a snare many do not escape from.

          • Rastus

            Calvinist love fest here WOW!

          • Preacher62

            Calvinist theology if that is what you wish to call it, is Biblical theology. it is the only theology that cannot fail as it is ALL of God and none of man.

          • Rastus

            All of John Calvin and none of God. Best for you to do a serious study of who that man really was. A good place to start would be Dave Hunts book “What Love Is This”

          • Preacher62

            Already know who he really was. God sometimes uses wicked men to accomplish his work (King James). Does not change the fact that the Bible plainly points to the sovereignty of God in ALL things. I avoid reading books written by men, about the Bible. I prefer to just read the Bible; far less man-centered than books.

          • Truth Seeker

            Correct, sir. But you don’t need me to tell you that, we have the word of God:

            For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. (Romans 8:5 NASB)

          • Scott

            “Flesh” refers to the old man sin nature.

          • iris

            Hi, Scott. I partly agree with you, 2Cor. 1:19-20, we read that all is Yes and Amen in Christ Jesus, to the glory of God the Father”. But those yeses must be in and with and by Him. According to His will, can also be understood as being in and with Him. Asaph in Psalm 73, says, “Who do I have in heaven but You? And besides You, I want nothing (some translations read, no one) on earth”. He is the Treasure, and He has given Himself to us freely in Christ. God bless.

      • Scott

        Are you forgetting what Jesus said to the disciples?

        Mat 19:29 –

        “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”

        • Preacher62

          An hundred fold in terms of true value. Those things mentioned have no value in the kingdom of God. That is why Christ told us to give them up because Only Christ is worthy.

          • Scott

            The passage was about trusting God over wealth and that God was prepared to bless them far and above what they had with even more physical wealth. Worldly wealth was not being condemned in the passage, only when it’s put ahead of God.

        • watchmannonthewall

          Actually, since when Jesus returns He returns a King of kings over the earth, those who live with Him in the land He promised to Abraham and His descendants will receive 100 fold of the things they left behind in this world to follow Him, NOT that they will really care!

          Did you ever read, “And the congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul; and not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own; but all things were common property to them”? (Acts 4:32)

          This is apparently the way the Essenes lived and so one could always have a place to stay when traveling, even though he may not have personally known the ones he was staying with.

          If you know the character of the homeowner and the guest, and they are both walking in love, integrity, and submission to one another, one doesn’t need to worry about being taken advantage of. The kingdom of heaven is within you and it is righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit! It is NOT about having “things”!

          • Scott

            “My God makes all grace abound toward
            me in every favor and earthly blessing, so that I have all sufficiency for all things and I abound to every good work.” 2 Corinthians 9:8.

          • watchmannonthewall

            Funny! My NASB quotes that verse differently;
            “And God IS able to make all grace abound to you, that always having sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed.” The focus is on being equipped to perform “every good deed”. Are these done for me or for others?

            What many people do not realize is that abounding in every “good work” is speaking about walking in the commandments of God. Doing “good works is doing what God said to do.

            God did not leave it up to you or me to decide what a “good work” is. He defined it! If He left it up to us, we would each come up with a definition each one of us likes and they would all be different!

            Saved by the blood of Jesus and walking in the commandments of God, as He did, now a new creation in Christ and no longer walking in sin. Thereby telling and showing others how to escape the curse of sin in their lives.

      • michael malachi

        I see the prosperity preaching as a major problem leading many to fall. I see many other false teachings that are doing the same. The teaching that getting “saved” is a one time thing and you can never lose it is also misleading many to false hope. Many preachers are going out into the public and door to door to try to get people to say the prayer to salvation, telling them that if they say the prayer, they will be in heaven. No changes in life necessary.
        Another false teaching is the pre tribulation rapture. It tells so called Christians that they need not prepare for hard times, no need to draw near to God, no need to try to live righteously. Before all of the bad things start you will be taken out just in time. Tell that to all of the Christians around the world being killed by isis for their faith in Christ. Many Christians who are not spiritually prepared will lose their faith in Jesus when the tribulation begins – because the rapture did not happen so what else that they believed is not true!!!

        • Preacher62

          Smart man

    • Preacher62

      Attempts to meld love for the worldly things with Love for God is Satanic. Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God. God’s plan for your life is to deny yourself and take up your cross daily and follow Jesus. Any preaching that does not include self-denial is not from God.

      • Scott

        Philippians 4:13 –

        “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.”

        Sadly, with your mindset you will not experience God’s kingdom.

        • Preacher62

          Already am experiencing it every day and Thankfully, you are not the one that will determine that.

  • watchmannonthewall

    If you look at the Biblical pattern, there were only 8 people at the time of the Flood God saved and it is only said of Noah that he was righteous. Lot was the only one in Sodom who was righteous. Jesus did say, “As it was in the days of Noah…and Lot, so it shall be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man.”

    Only Moses, went up Sinai to speak with God. Joshua and Caleb were the only ones to go into the Promised Land. Only 120 were assembled when the Holy Spirit was poured out after the ascension. Only 144,000 are sealed in Revelation. There are 2.3 billion people classified as Christians which works out to about 1 of every 16,000 who apparently are walking as God expects prior to His return. God is willing to work with a small army as He did with Gideon. It really isn’t want He desires!

    Amos prophesied of these days, “‘Behold, days are coming,’ declares the LORD GOD, ‘When I will send a famine on the land, not a famine for bread or water, but rather for hearing the Word of the LORD [either the ears of the listener don’t work, or the speaker doesn’t know God].'”

    Ezekiel prophesied that only those with the righteousness of Noah, Daniel, or Job would be delivered when God sends forth his “altar ” judgements; famine, beasts, war, and plague.” (Ezekiel 14:12-23) Does our righteousness match theirs ? We still have time!

    Yes, these are the very same judgments listed in the first 4 seals of the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. The versions, OT and NT, both say the exact same things, exactly the same!!

    It was about 7 years ago when I was praying and I said, “God, I am not aware of anything in my life I need to change. That can’t be good, because I’m not that good. If you show me where I am wrong, I will do as you say.” Wow!! I had no idea I was in such a wicked state! The heart is the issue. We cover the heart many times but God knows it!

    If you ask and mean it, He will show you! I had read through the entire Bible about 15 years in a row at that point but I began to see a completely different, very HOLY side of God after that, and because of obedience began receiving understanding of Scripture I’d never seen before. I have had many come alongside so it is not a lonely journey! I learn something new almost evey day! Have fun!

    There is definitely a Lake of Fire reserved for children who will not render honor and respect unto their very holy Creator! Don’t believe the one who was a liar and murderer from the beginning. Don’t let him murder you!

    • Gay Veteran

      “If you look at the Biblical pattern, there were only 8 people at the time of the Flood God saved and it is only said of Noah that he was righteous….”

      oh my, afterwards there must have been a lot of incest

      • Carly

        Yes there was. Perhaps that is why child molestation is the secret sin in America. One that gets covered up more than it is exposed.

      • watchmannonthewall

        Well, each of the men, four, did have their own wives. As covered below, marriage between cousins is not prohibited, Biblically. So God did not have an issue with it. Do we?

        Adam’s sons must have married their sisters, since there were no others on earth. However, from this point on there is no issue if one marries a cousin. Abraham married his half sister.(?) Isaac married his uncle’s daughter on his mother’s side (his cousin). Jacob married his uncle’s two daughters, on his mother’s side (cousins). Not really a big deal.

        In fact, unless someone can point out where I am wrong, Leviticus 19 & 20, two of the chapters covering God’s instructions to us regarding how we are kept in holiness, which cover sexual impurity, do NOT prohibit marriage between cousins so neither Noah’s grandchildren, Jacob, nor Isaac were in sin for marrying their cousin(s). Another man made commandment?

        As for Abraham, the text is not specifically clear: when we are first told Abraham married Saria, we are not told whose daughter she is, but later we are told by Abraham she is his half sister. Many are puzzled by the information provided, and the lack of clarity in that information. We really don’t know what to think.

    • PET2

      DID GOD REVEAL THAT NONE OF HIS LOST SHEEP WERE HEADED TO HELL AND NOT ONE SCRIPTURE EVER IMPLIES SUCH A DOCTRINE! HE SAVES THEM FROM SIN AND DEATH

      • watchmannonthewall

        I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. If you are saying that no man can pluck those who belong to Jesus out of His hand, I fully agree with you.
        However, not everyone who SAYS they belong to Jesus actually belong to Him and so those who say they do, but don’t, are still going to the White Throne judgement.
        I am reminded of Paul’s statement, “And so ALL Israel shall be saved.” (Romans 11:26)Well, technically, yes. But just who is “ALL Israel”, but those, who have come into the blood of the lamb and are now walking the same way He walked? (1 John 2:3-6) Those born Israelites who have not come into the knowledge of God’s righteousness, which includes the Blood of the Lamb, are not saved.
        BTW- We are saved from death by not sinning. No sin, no death! Jesus’ blood washed you once, now you are to walk in righteousness, God’s righteousness! Isn’t that how Jesus was given the right to take up His life again?

        • iris

          Looking at Romans, 9, 10 and 11, in context as a unit of thought, and Paul is not excusing or condemning natural Israel there, but is speaking of natural Israel, his own people, I believe he was speaking of these end of days, that those Jews alive in the world and in Israel at a coming point in time, will all come to faith and as a nation. I also believe this will only happen when Christ appears to them, showing them His scars, surrounding the time of the battle of Armageddon. This is detailed in Zechariah, when He returns to the Mt. of Olives and splits it in two. God bless.

          • iris

            Should also say that in the last 2000 years, there have been hundreds of thousands of Jews who have come to Yeshua as Messiah. I’m actually one. As a nation, not yet, but it will happen.

          • PET2

            AMEN, SO TRUE, MY BROTHER

          • iris

            I’m actually a woman, still a sibling in Christ, though. God bless, PET2. (:

          • PET2

            LOL, SORRY, PUT YOUR PIC ON

          • PET2

            ALL OF ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED IN A DAY AND NOT BY FREEWILL BUT THE GRACE OF GOD!FIRST, THEY WILL SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF THE GENTILES FOR 42 MONTHS

          • PET2

            DO U KNOW THAT A REAL JEW IS ONE CIRCUMCISED IN HEART NOT IN THE FORESKIN?

          • watchmannonthewall

            I agree with your thoughts on the matter. It does appear, from Zechariah, that the Jews are reintroduced to their Messiah King after the battle. This event appears attached to Joseph making himself known to his brethren near the end of the 2nd time they came to Egypt to purchase food, when Judah offered himself as surety in place of Benjamin. On a personal note, I also want to say, I appreciate your insight, comments, and thoughtfulness.

          • iris

            Ahh, thanks for seeing and sharing that connection to Joseph’s reunion with his brothers! He was a forshadowing of Yeshua, like Issac was when Abraham was going to offer him up. And I appreciate what you’ve had to say, as well, Watchman.

          • PET2

            WHAT ABOUT THE PROPHET, LIKE UNTO MOSES AND ELIJAH, PREACHING THE KINGDOM MESSAGE FOR THREE YEARS THEN KILLED, TO LAY IN THE STREETS OF JERUSALEM AND BEING RESURRECTED ON THE 3RD DAY WHILE THE WORLD WATCHES ON THE NEWS? IS THIS WHERE MILLIONS WILL BE SAVED?

        • PET2

          YOUR MISSING MY POINT ENTIRELY! BE AWARE! Rom_9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: JESUS DID NOT COME TO SAVE THOSE THAT ARE NOT “THE LOST SHEEP” OF THE HOUSE! HE DID NOT COME TO SAVE THE PERISHING, THE VIPER, THE TARE, THE CHILDREN OF THE devil! AGREE//? REDEMPTION MEANS TO PURCHASE BACK WHAT ONE WAS HIS, AS SEEN IN RANSOM! NOE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE?

          • watchmannonthewall

            The invitation is extended to “whomsoever will may come.” Only those who accept the invitation are “the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Anyone not of Israel will not respond. (Romans 11:26), “And so ALL Israel shall be saved; just as it is written, ‘The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob [Israel].'”
            The reason Ppaul used “Jacob” here instead of Israel, is because the use of “Jacob” indicates his people are in an unclean state. This is why “the Deliverer” removes ungodliness from him. From henceforth, he will be known as Israel!

          • PET2

            NO,NO! YOU DO ERR! “WOSOEVER WILL” IS NOT FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT SALVATION OF ABRAHAM’S SEED! SEE PAUL’S STATEMENT EPH. 2:12! THE TERM IS NOW USED FOR GENTILE AND JEW ARE INCLUDED, NO OTHER EXIST! THE LOST SHEEP, GENTILE, IS OF “THE OTHER FOLD JESUS SPOKE OF THAT FE WOULD ADD, SEE PETER’S STATEMENT, Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. AFTER THIS WILL HE COME AND REPAIR THE WALLS OF KING DAVID; Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: AS OF NOW FEW LOST SHEEP ARE OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, MAINLY GENTILE FOR THE JEW JUDGED THEMSELVES, “UNWORTHY OF ETERNAL SALVATION” ACTS 13:Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. IN THIS AGE IT IS NO LONGER TRUE, “THE JEW FIRST”!

          • watchmannonthewall

            Certainly it is. Paul was only speaking this to the Jew at that certain point in his history, not for all time.

            Judah became surety for his brother Benjamin to present him back to his father Jacob. This is a shadow picture of how Judah, along with the sons of Zadok (Levites), oversaw the integrity of God’s Word when the entire rest of the nation went astray and was first scattered from the Land. We wouldn’t have God’s errorless OT word but for Judah and the priests!

            Jacob prophesied over his son Ephraim the following (Gen. 48:18-19): “And Joseph said to his father, ‘Not so my father, for this one [Manasseh] is the first born. Place your hand on his head. But his father refused and said, ‘I know my son, I know; he will also become a people and he also shall be great However, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendents shall become a multitude [Strong’s #4393- “mel-o”- “fulness”] of nations [Strong’s #1471- “gowy”- “a Gentile”].”

            Hence, Jacob prophesied that Ephraim would grow to become, “a fulness of Gentile nations” scattered throughout the earth. (v. 16). God knows how to scatter His seed to grow more crop! You can bet Paul understood this passage of scripture when he wrote Romans 11:25. Just because we don’t know where these people are, doesn’t mean God doesn’t!

            As to Paul’s brethren being overthrown, most Christians would do well to read Jeremiah 31:35-37 where God says that ONLY IF the fixed order of sun, moon, and stars departs from before Him, “Then the offspring of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me forever. If the heavens can be measured, and foundations of the earth searched out below, then I will cast off ALL the offspring of Israel for all they have done,’ declares the LORD.” Last I knew, none of thee things have happened. The context indicates it won’t!

            Additionally, Jeremiah prophesies about today’s false Christian doctrine with regard to God’s people: “And the Word of the LORD came to Jeremiah saying, ‘Have you not observed what this people have spoken saying, “The two families which the LORD chose [Israel and Judah], He has rejected them”? Thus THEY DESPISE MY PEOPLE, no longer are they a nation in their sight.'” [Whoa! It probably isn’t a good thing to “despise MY people”!]

            “Thus says the LORD, ‘If My covenant for day and night stand not, and the fixed patterns of the heaven and earth I have not established, then I would reject the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, not taking from his descendants rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But I will restore their fortunes and I will have mercy on them. (Jer. 33:23-26)

            God spoke promises to those descendants and he will fulfill them. We need to be thankful He allowed us to enter into the same “covenats of promise” (Eph. 2:11-16 & Gal. 3:15-17) and partake of them instead of getting all proud against them and teach others we have replaced them. Paul warned against this: Romans 11:15-24.

            God knows what He is doing. Too bad a few more of His people don’t spend more time studying His Word so they also begin to understand the mysteries He has hidden there but wants to reveal to us.

          • PET2

            I have never in my 50 years heard a man use so much material meaninglessly as to the question and comments concerning whats discussed. I’m dun!

          • watchmannonthewall

            Be blessed. You certainly haven’t had time to read it, let alone attempt to understand it. Your points are in error of scripture.

          • iris

            Amen! Thanks! This Biblical view acknowledges God’s faithfulness to His unconditional promises.

        • PET2

          TRUE, NO MAN CAN PLUCK ONE OF HIS FROM HIS HAND, BUT NOT MY POINT! ALLOW ME TO SAY IT THIS WAY; “UNLESS YOU ARE BORN (PLANTED) INTO THIS WORLD A ‘LOST SHEEP’ YOU WILL NEVER BE FOUND BY THE SHEPHERD AND BISHOP OF OUR SOUL! 1Pe 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
          OTHERWISE, HOW COULD YOU BE “RETURNED” TO WHERE U NEVER WERE BEFORE!

          • watchmannonthewall

            I see your point. “The earth is the Lord’s and the fulness thereof.” This includes all that is in/on the earth, including men, and is exactly what gives Him the authority to exercise judgments such as the Flood and the Battle of Armageddon. These are judgments of all that are on the earth.

        • PET2

          WE ARE SAVED PER THE APOSTLE PAUL, BY “BEING CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST” ONLY ONE TRUTH CAN BE APPLIED, LITERALLY, NOT SYMBOLICALLY! ONCE CRUCIFIED, THE LAW IS SATISFIED IN DEATH OF THE VIOLATOR! IN THE RESURRECTION, WE ARE THE NEW MAN CREATED IN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND TRUE HOLINESS (EPH.4:24), NEVER TO SIN AGAIN! WHY? BORN OF INCORRUPTIBLE SEED OF THE LAST ADAM! 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

      • PET2

        JOHN BAPTIST AND SAUL OF TARSUS BOTH DEMONSTRATE THAT NO ELECT OF GOD TO ETERNAL LIFE IS AN ESCAPEE OF HELL AN ETERNAL DEATH

  • DJohn1

    There is more to the story in the Bible than people are aware of.
    When they say we are going to heaven what are they really talking about?
    If they say we are going to hell what are they talking about?
    I asked a minister when I was a child about it.
    Where is Heaven. Where is Hell. The minister looked at me and then pronounced that Heaven was above us and Hell was beneath our feet.
    Did that mean the astronauts were going to Heaven?
    Or the miners were going to Hell? Remember I was a small child of 7. Remember when we all believed in Santa Claus?
    I also would be embarrassed if I were a minister and someone asked me a direct question concerning the location of those two places.
    Jesus arose into a cloud and disappeared. Wow! His angels directed his disciples that he went to be with his Father in Heaven.
    And someday he would return the same way.
    So did Jesus ascend into a space ship and the ship flew away into the heavens?
    I do not blame Ministers for avoiding the subject because to address it means admitting a whole bunch of truths that are basically denied today.
    It means that when our body dies something of us survives and we often refer to that something as our Soul. Yet most churches deny the existence of ghosts. We refer to the occupation of the body by that Soul that we have. What are ghosts if not the Soul that survives death?
    Ministers face many questions today about things that were taken for granted years ago.
    What are angels? Are they here with us even to this day?
    Do they live on another planet somewhere?
    Are they indestructable immortal beings under God’s command?
    Many questions few answers that make sense to this generation with all of its science and discoveries.
    And that in a sentence describes why so many leave the faith.
    Many are deceived. Little do they know the extent of the deception.
    We worship a living God not a dead one.
    Miracles occur even today. Those that remain faithful will be rewarded if not in this life, in the place that their souls go to.
    I do not have a whole lot of scientific knowledge and I certainly do not have answers to the questions I have asked. What I do have is a faith that says Jesus has the answers and he will freely give them to us somewhere soon.
    My faith says that we must remain faithful to Jesus at all costs. It says the first commandment is to love the Lord thy God with all your heart and all your soul. Pray for what you need with three good Christians.
    Often that is all it takes.
    Seeking answers is not wrong. But be prepared that the answers we seek are not the ones we might find.

    • abc

      remember the atom is almost entirely empty space so its easy to overlap dimensions
      maybe explain later

  • Preacher62

    Those “preachers” that preach a man-centered gospel are God’s judgment on a sinful and rebellious nation. No man comes to Christ unless the father calls him. The lies coming from the pulpits do not have the power to call anyone to repentance, proving that the number of the chosen is almost fulfilled. Turn from self and turn to God while there is still time. That is the definition of repentance. The majority of the comments found here are proof that men are not seeking the one true God but rather the things of the world and are willing to pay some hireling to encourage their apostasy. The truth is that you do not get to choose God, he chooses whom he will. Repent and believe the Gospel and pray fervently that he might choose you. The only way to be saved from Hell is to be saved from sin that condemns one to Hell. The only way to be saved from sin is through faith in the only Son of God that died in your place. Desire to be saved from Hell without the desire to be saved from sin is not from God.

  • Pam

    The fiery Baptist minister John Bunyan (1628-1688) did not preach the ear tickling gospel heard in the Baptist church of today. In fact, he believed most “Christians” were headed to hell and was not afraid to tell them. Millennials grew up at a time when real gospel messages were rarely preached so many have no idea that God really means for us to be holy as He is Holy. Our converts repeat a verse and they are good to go – with no real idea that they must repent and turn from all sin. American Christianity is deadly! God help us to get our eyes open before it is too late.

    • Preacher62

      Amen, The sinners’ prayer is not Biblical and is preventing many from seeking the truth because they think themselves to already be saved.

      • Truth Seeker

        Glad to see someone that gets it as this is truly a matter of life and death and no small doctrinal triviality to be overlooked. The gospel is EVERYTHING, hence Satan’s relentless attacks upon it that continue to this very day and hour.

        • rmc9

          If satan can just get group prayer and Bible study out of a church, the rest is easy pickins…

          • PET2

            REALLY! DO U DISPUTE THE RELEASE OF PETER FROM PRISON WHILE THE CHURCH PRAYED UNBELIEVING, INCORRECTLY?

        • PET2

          SATAN WAS DEFEATED AT THE RESURRECTION, HE IS NOT THE CAUSE OF UNBELIEF FOR THE PERISHING, THEY HAVE EARS BUT DO NOT HEAR, EYES TO SEE BUT CANNOT, SEE MARK 4: 1-12

      • PET2

        GOOD POINT

    • Jacynthia Read

      Amen to all you said. This is also the reason that I believe it is up to me to share the Gospel with whomever I can as the Lord leads, because preachers are not giving out the word by which people can be saved. Faith comes by the Word, and the Word comes by hearing. If preachers do not preach it then people cannot hear it, and if they do not hear it, then they cannot be saved.

      Yes, people do laugh and mock, but some actually listen and receive it. I pray for all and rejoice when a new child is born into the Kingdom.

      • PET2

        UNDER SOUTHERN BAPTIST PREACHING, GOD DELIVERED MY SOUL FROM SIN AND DEATH! HOW? NOT MY PREACHING BUT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT CONVICTING OF SIN AND DEATH OF WHICH HE WAS SENT TO DO

    • Scott

      Then John Bunyan did not believe what Christ accomplished on the cross, and was in denial of John 3:16 and Romans 10:9.

      Galatians 2:21 –

      “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

      Galatians 2:16 –

      “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

      • robert

        It is a difficult question. Given American evangelism also known as decisionism, it is a scary thing. For someone to walk an aisle, pray a prayer and their life does not change makes you wonder if any regeneration took place. There is the old addage that “if you think you can live like hell and go to heaven then you are deluded.” The argument goes on.

      • Truth Seeker

        Wrong. Please enlighten us as to how Mr. Bunyan was in denial of God’s grace?

        Have you even read Pilgrim’s Progress? The protagonist encounters someone like you.

        • Scott

          By stating Christians are going to hell.

          Romans 10:9 – “That if thou shalt confess
          with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

      • Truth Seeker

        “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

        • Scott

          Matthew was written Before the cross.

          • Preacher62

            So the one who died for us did so in order to deny everything he just spent three years teaching us. Man, you are deceived.
            If the light you think you have is really darkness; How deep is that darkness.

          • Scott

            Yes, he died for us. Read Ephesians 2:8-9 and quit being a self promoting boaster.

          • Preacher62

            You have no idea what that scripture means because you are unregenerate. Repent and believe the Gospel. We will resume this conversation after you have done so.

          • Scott

            I don’t answer to self promoting religious zealots who elevate themselves and the magnitude of others sins above their own so no thanks. As Ezekiel says, you starve the flock. Bye.

          • Gay Veteran

            unregenerate?
            like when “god” never regenerates the limb of an amputee?

          • Preacher62

            Oh, but he most certainly does. Too bad you have opted out of Heaven or you would see for yourself. Insanity; noun: Fighting against that which you claim does not exist.

          • PET2

            NOT TODAY, THE PROOF OF HIS MINISTRY HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN. NO LONGER NEEDED FOR HIS MIRACLES AS WAS PERFORMED IN HIS MINISTRY. EVEN PAUL KNEW THAT. Php 2:25 Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.
            Php 2:26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.
            Php 2:27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
            Php 2:28 I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.

            2Ti_4:20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick. PAUL COULD NOT HEAL HIM AND LEFT HIM THERE

          • watchmannonthewall

            Excellent point and so sad to know that so many people actually believe Jesus did just that! They have no idea they are calling God, the Father, a liar!

            Why and how? Moses told us God was going to send us a prophet like unto himself, who would speak WHAT GOD SAID TO SAY, and everyone who did not obey that prophet God would judge. (Deut. 18:15-19) John told us the religious leaders of his day were looking for that “Prophet”. (John 1:19-27) Peter told us that Prophet was Jesus and God would destroy anyone who did not obey Him [Jesus]. (Acts 3:22-24)

            Jesus said He is not going to judge any man but the Words THAT THE FATHER had given Him to speak “is what will judge him [each man] in the last day.” Jesus also said that the commandments of the Father “are ETERNAL LIFE”. (John 12:47-50)

            So many want to follow man’s commandments which lead to death, instead of God’s!

            How is it people come along today and say we don’t have to listen to Jesus, yet God said we have to do what Jesus said? Instead they say they listen to Paul, yet they have no idea what Paul taught even as Peter warned us (2 Peter 3:14-17). They claim, as Scott, we don’t have to pay attention to what Jesus said before He died and rose again, but we have a different criteria now, even though Jesus, and GOD, both disagreed with that? (!!)

            Why do they insist on calling God a liar? Can’t they see? God help us!

          • Preacher62

            God help us indeed.

          • Sean H

            He is God himself. He existed from the beginning. The Word was here before he came. He did not come to teach. He came to die on the cross for us. While he was here he did some teaching mainly to show the Jews who were in possession of the Word that they were applying it hypocritically. The rejection of their own prophesied savior, which God knew they would do anyway opened salvation to the whole world. After he died and was resurrected he sent the Holy Spirit to guide all who would believe on him. I was raised agnostic. I thought it was a story until I went to a church. I got nothing out of the church but I felt incredibly clean inside. I prayed for understanding and haven’t stopped reading the word for the past twenty years and I guarantee you Christ is authentic and moves through you in ways you can’t explain. FIRST comes faith, then comes understanding.

          • PET2

            ALL POINTS GOOD EXCEPT “OPEN SALVATION TO THE WHOLE WORLD”! REMEMBER, GOD SENT PAUL WEST RATHER INTO MACEDONIA! AND TO FIND SHEEP, NOT VIPERS AND TARES!

          • Sean H

            Read about the deaths of the apostles. Two were martyred in Persia and one in India. All men can receive Christ and in fact more are receiving Christ in the third world than the west right now as the western church has become the lukewarm laodicean church.

          • PET2

            ” All men can receive Christ and in fact more are receiving Christ in the third world than the west right now as the western church has become the lukewarm laodicean church.”
            I AM NOT SO SURE THIS CORRECT ABOUT ‘MORE ARE RECEIVING CHRIST IN THE 3RD WORLD’, FOR EVEN CATHOLICS ARE CALLED CHRISTIAN, ALONG WITH THE CULTS OF MORMONS,C OT C, PENTECOSTAL,ETC. IN THE MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES, ARE THET REALLY CALLED OF GOD TO SALVATION? DON’T KNOW; NOT SURE!
            AS TO, “ALL MEN” WAS NEVER A SOUND DOCTRINE. ALL LOST SHEEP WILL BE FOUND AND HE WILL LOSE NONE, A CONTRADICTION TO ALL PREACHERS THAT GIVE THE VIPERS AND TARES HOPE, MAKING JESUS A LIAR TO HIS FATHER.
            COMPARE:
            Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
            WITH:
            Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
            Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
            Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
            GOD NOR JESUS WAS IN THE BUSINESS FIGHTING FOR SATAN’S KIDS
            COMPARE:
            Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
            Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
            Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
            Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
            Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
            Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
            Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
            Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

            Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
            Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

            IF THEY SIT UNDER PRESENT DAY TEACHERS/PREACHERS, THEY HEAR THE LIE, ” GOD LEFT THE DECISION FOR ANYONE TO MAKE, TO GO TO HEAVEN OR HELL WITH THE INDIVIDUAL, WHEN IN FACT NO LOST SHEEP WILL EVER BE THREATEN WITH HELL AS HIS DESTINY”, QUITE THE CONTRARY!

          • Sean H

            Luke 24:46-47 the it was written and thus it was necessary for Christ to suffer and rise from the dead the third day. And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations beginning at Jerusalem. The words of the risen Christ.

            China is having a massive acceptance of Jesus and is the result of protestant evangelism. If you’ve ever been to south Korea you will see protestant churches with lit up crosses on the roofs in every city. They send bibles in balloons to north Korea and their is huge awakening in the gulags. Their are 90000 imprisoned in north Korea for the gospels sake. Muslims are receiving Christ throughout the middle east and not because of the Catholic church. They are praising Jesus not Mary.
            Whosoever will call upon the name of the lord will be saved. Romans 10. He who loses his life for Jesus sake will find it. Matthew 16. If someone believes Christ is the Son of God and the only way to the Father and they ate beheaded for that statement by ISIS I guarantee you that you will see them in heaven.
            No person by virtue of genealogy is anything. Christ alone makes anyone who calls upon him as the only begotten Son of God and repents from their worldly self is saved.

          • PET2

            OK

          • Jacynthia Read

            Various estimates have placed the date of Matthew’s composition anywhere from AD 50 – to AD 100.

          • watchmannonthewall

            Yes, most common estimate is about 58-60AD.

          • PET2

            CORRECT

          • PET2

            SO WAS GENESIS! READ 3RD CHNAPTER

          • Mary Irene

            What?!

      • iris

        Yes, Christians are a work in progress, God’s work, and it takes a lifetime. Paul said we see now through a glass, dimly, but someday will know fully, just as now, we are fully known by God. As believers, we need to be patiently walking in faith and dependence on the only One who can perfect us, as He has promised to do. By walking in faith, we will fulfill the Law; to love Him in return, with everything we are, and to love others as we love ourselves. We are to be holy as He is holy, but we cannot accomplish that without His power and doing in our lives. Our pastor has wisely stated that we are God’s mission as much as we are to be involved in sharing the gospel with others. The gospel is first the bad news, that the only One who is holy, requires His same holiness from us, His creation. That’s bad news, because none of us can accomplish that because of our weakness, self serving natures, pride, lusts, but because He has accomplished that for us on the Cross, He has made Himself our bridge to span the gap between a holy god and a fallen race. That’s the good news. He is a fair judge. If a loved one was murdered in cold blood, wouldn’t we want a fair judge, who would pronounce a right sentence, not only for justice, but also, that others would be protected in the future? Those outside of Christ will condemn themselves to hell, simply for having refused such amazing love, grace and mercy, that God Himself laid down His life as one of us, yet without sin, so that we could have a mediator. Only He could have done this, we can receive it in faith. That faith will result in obedience, and it can’t be the other way around, because of our weakness. Romans explains it perfectly.

      • watchmannonthewall

        The problem with what you have written is you have not taken into account that Paul, who wrote your quotes, was a Pharisee of Pharisees. He was brought up to believe one was saved by the works of the “Oral Law” and you can look this up in any encylopedia and many older Christian resource books. There is only one word of “law” in Greek. God’s “law is perfect, restoring the soul” (Ps. 19:7), and “all Thy commandments are righteous”. (Ps.119:172)

        The law Paul spoke in a negative manner about was the Pharisaical “Oral Law”, the same one Jesus codemned over and over. (See Mark 7) Paul said you have to keep God’s commandments. (1 Cor. 7:19) The devil has confused the issue between the two sets of cammandments and has most Chtistians, including leaders, believeing Paul changed what Jesus said. But can the creature change the decrees of he Creator? Do you allow your children to change the application of your words to your other children?

        Jesus said you will have eternal life if you keep God’s commandments. (Luke 10:25-28) Can Paul now teach Jesus is wrong? NO! No one will be justified by keeping the Pharisaical Oral Law! God didn’t tell us to obey that law! This is the law Paul found to be death that he once thought was life!

        But God did tell us to obey His Law. Paul says the same thing, besides you have to keep God’s commandments: “For not the hearers of the Law are just before God , but the doers of the Law will be justified.” (Romans 2:13)

        James, the brother of Jesus (James 2:18-24). and John (1 John 5:2-3), also tell us God expects us to keep His Word, His commandments, and by it prove our faith and love for God. Four very important NT witnesses agree we are to keep God’s Law.

        We ae saved by the blood of Jesus, but once saved we are to walk in newness of life and that life is in the commandemnts of God, NOT the commandments of men. (Hosea 5:11)

        • PET2

          if you are speaking of MOSES LAW, WHICH WAS NEVER TO GIVE RIGHTEOUSNESS, BUT ONLY DEATH TO THE BREAKER AND ENDED WITH JOHN THE BAPTIST AS THEIR “SCHOOLMASTER” YOU HAVE FAILED TO ADHERE TO THE TRUTH OF THE “NEW CREATION THAT HAS THE OLD MAN SLAIN, BURIED, AND RESURRECTED IN JESUS UNTO JUSTIFICATION OF NO MAN CAN JUDGE OR FINE FAULT WITH” EPH. 4:24

          • watchmannonthewall

            What is the “new man” Paul was speaking of? Where did he find that doctrine in the OT? Remember that he was probably the foremost expert of the OT. The Bereans were not searching the NT scriptures to see if what Paul taught was right. It is likely only James and Galatians of the NT had been written at the time Paul went to Berea! (Acts 17:10-11) Since Paul was just introducing Messiah to them, they likely had neither epistle! Therefore they had to be searching the only scripture they had, the OT!

            So where is the New Man in the OT?

            1. “Then God saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that EVERY intent of the thoughts of his heart was ONLY evil continually.” (Gen. 6:5) God saw man needed a new heart!

            2. “Circumsise then your heart, and stiffen your neck no more.” (Deut. 10:16) Cut off that dead flesh!

            3. Moses saying “Good-bye” to the children of Israel before his death: “Yet to this day the LORD has not given you a heart to know nor eyes to see , nor ears to hear.” (Deut. 29:4) They still had hearts that were only evil continually!

            4.The promise of a new heart;
            “‘But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel in those days,’ declares the LORD, ‘I will put My Law within them, and on their heart I will write it; I will be their God and they shall be My people.” (Jer. 31:33) When we have His Laws written on our heart, we are a new creation!

            5. “And I will give them one heart, and I shall put a new spirit within them. And I shall take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in MY statutes and keep My ordinances and DO THEM. Then they will be My people and I shall be their God.” (Ez. 11:19-20) If we refuse to accept the heart of flesh from God that has His statutes and ordinances written on it, can we still be His people? Hmmm! Good question!

            6. “But their minds [hearts] were hardened, for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant [Moses] the same veil remains unlifted because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a man turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.” (2 Cor. 3:14-16)

            Moses IS to be read and God intended for them to understand what Moses said. (Acts 15:21) So tell me, why doesn’t God expect us to understand Moses? Since they told Moses they couldn’t listen to God since they would die (Ex. 20:19 & Deut. 5:22-29), i.e., “we don’t want to accept His Word”, God put a veil on their hearts so they couldn’t understand it. The veil they were looking at on Moses face was a physical representation of the spiritual veil on their heart, they couldn’t see or understand the glory of God’s Law! Do we?

            That veil is to be taken away in Christ Jesus. Unfortunately, after receiving salvation and the Holy Spirit, after being washed clean, many slowly turn back to a more subtle form of the vomit from which they were once delivered instead of guarding their walk of holiness, and eventually come to detest God’s Law. And so Jesus’ words, the second state of the man, after the seven demons have come back to the clean place, is worse than the first, is lived out by them, though they have no knowledge of its occurrence in their lives!

            “The heart is decietful above all things who can understand it!” (Jer. 17:7)

            “For from within, OUT of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adultries, deeds of coveting, wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness [all rebellion against what God’s Law teaches His people NOT to do]. All these evil things proceed from within [the heart] and defile the man.” (Mark 7:21-23)

            The “New Creation” is a man with a new heart that loves and delights in following God’s Instructions, His Law! It is clearly taught in the OT and manifested in the NT.

            The man of flesh refuses to obey! He is his own god, just as satan told Eve: “If you eat this, if you disobey God, you will be as god!” Many have bought the lie!

        • PET2

          STUDY FURTHER! THE LAW WAS NEVER GIVEN TO SAVE! IT DID THE OPPOSITE IT KILLED! IT WAS A SCHOOLMASTER! IT IS FULFILLED IN ONE WORD OF WHICH ONLY ONE COULD PERFORM: Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.IF U LOVE GOD YOU WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM KEEPING THE FIRST 5! IF YOU LOVE YOUR FELLOWMAN, U WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LAST 5! WE CANNOT IN ADAM

          • watchmannonthewall

            Your final statements are correct. The 5th commandment is actually the first one dealing with your neighbor. This is why the promise of long life for obedience to God and parents is the same blessing given for both. Both are our Creators. If you distain or treat one or the other lightly, you have disobeyed God; for he is the one who said you have to honor your parents!

            Let’s study together about whether the law was given for life or death, shall we? What does God say?

            Lev. 18:5- “So you shall keep My statutes and My judgments, BY WHICH A MAN WILL LIVE IF HE DOES THEM; I am the LORD.”

            Deut. 4:40- “So you shall keep His statutes and His commandemnts which I am giving you today, that it may go well with you and your children after you, THAT YOU MAY LIVE…”

            Deut. 5:33- “You shall walk in all the way that the LORD your God has commanded you, THAT YOU MAY LIVE…”

            Deut. 6:3- “O Israel, you should listen and be careful to do it [God’s Law- His Instructions], THAT IT MAY BE WELL WITH YOU…” [that you shall live?]

            Deut 12:28- “Be careful to listen to ALL these words which I command you, IN ORDER THAT IT MAY BE WELL WITH YOU AND YOUR SONS AFTER YOU FOREVER [that you shall live?]…”

            God;s Word is a two edged sword (Heb. 4:12)- The same Word brings both life and death- life for obedience, death for disobedience.
            Deut.. 30:15-18 – “See, I have set before you today LIFE and prosperity, and DEATH and adversity; in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, THAT YOU MAY LIVE…”
            “BUT if your heart turns away and YOU WILL NOT OBEY, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today that you shall surely PERISH [DIE]…”

            Ezekiel 20:11- (God is speaking!) “And I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which IF a man observes them, HE WILL LIVE.”
            Did God lie? Do His statutes and ordinances really bring death? NOT if we obey them! It was given to bring life to us, but our rebellion caused it to become death to us! It was the same in the Garden: “In the day you eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, you shall surely die!” Disobedience has always brought death, today’s Christian thinks it doesn’t. Are they listening to God or satan?

            What does the New Testament say?

            Luke 10:25-28- (Partly pharaphrased) A certain lawyer tested Jesus and asked Him, “What shall I do to inherit eternal life?” (What do I have to do to LIVE ETERNALLY?) Jesus asked the man what he thought the Mosaic Law said about this. The lawyer responded by naming the 10 commandments. Jesus said to him, “YOU HAVE ANSWERED CORRECTLY; Do this and YOU WILL LIVE [have eternal life].”

            Mt. 19:16-17- “And behold, one came to Him and said, ‘Master, what good thing shall I do THAT I MAY OBTAIN ETERNAL LIFE? And He said to him, ‘Why are you asking Me about what is good? [i.e., Don’t you know?] There is only one who is good; but if you wish to enter into [ETERNAL] LIFE, keep the commandments.'”

            Jesus told two different people to keep His Father’s commandments to have eternal life.

            What did Paul say?

            Romans 10:4-5- “For Christ is the end [Strong’s Greek- “teleos”- “the goal”], of the law for righteousness to every one who believes. [Everyone living out the law the way God intended would live exactly like Jesus did!] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on [the Mosaic] Law SHALL LIVE by [have eternal life because of] that righteousness.” They shall have eternal life just like Jesus did for obeying the Father!

            Gal. 3:11-12- “Now that no one is justified by the [Oral] law before God is evident; for, ‘the righteous man shall live by faith [Paul quotes part of Habakkuk 2:4, faith is hearing and doing what GOD said- faith is an action. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.]

            Let’s start over: “Now that no one is justified by the [Oral] law before God is evident [Why? The oral law is NOT the Word of God], for, ‘the just shall live by faith.’ However, the [Oral] law is not of faith [Obedience to the oral law is NOT obeying God’s Word]; on the contrary, ‘He who practices them [God’s commandments, statutes, and ordinances] SHALL LIVE by them.”

            I hope this helps explain some things. The best place to start is to believe the very plain sayings of the Bible and then to work, over time, to understand those things more difficult. It is also good to learn a bit about what the religious leaders of the 1st century believed and taught. It wasn’t the law of Moses! (John 5:45-47) Join yourself to a fellowship that teaches the WHOLE Word of God, not just their pet portions.

          • PET2

            I REMIND U AGAIN;
            Lev. 18:5- “So you shall keep My statutes and My judgments, BY WHICH A MAN WILL LIVE IF HE DOES THEM; I am the LORD.”

            Deut. 4:40- “So you shall keep His statutes and His commandments which I am giving you today, that it may go well with you and your children after you, THAT YOU MAY LIVE…”

            Deut. 5:33- “You shall walk in all the way that the LORD your God has commanded you, THAT YOU MAY LIVE…”
            NONE DID OTHERWISE, HAD THEY, IT WOULD NOT BEEN NECESSARY FOR GOD TO KILL HIS SON!

            Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
            Rom_9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
            Rom_10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. (NONE DID)
            Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (BLOWS YOUR EXEGESIS OUT OF THE WATER)
            Php_3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

            ENOUGH?

      • watchmannonthewall

        “Then John Bunyan did not believe what Christ accomplished on the cross, and was in denial of John 3:16 and Romans 10:9.”

        Maybe John Bunyan actually understood what many Christians today don’t.

        “Galatians 2:21 – “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.””

        Which law is Paul talking about? God’s law as given by Moses, or the Pharisaical “Oral Law” that both Jesus and Paul condemned? Remember, the Oral Law? The one that said you were saved by circumcision and by doing what the religious leaders said?

        God’s Word says His Law is righteous. Moses wrote (Deut. 4:8), “Or what great nation is there that has statutes and judgments as RIGHTEOUS AS THIS WHOLE LAW which I am setting before you today?” Remember, Jesus was given the right to take His life back up because he never sinned, He never broke God’s/Moses’ righteous Law!

        David said (Ps. 119:142), “Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and Thy Law
        is Truth.” David also put God’s Law and
        righteousness together! Jesus claimed to
        be the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He prayed, “Sanctify them [His disciples] in the Truth; Thy Word is Truth.” (John 17:17) Can Truth pass away? Can God’s Word pass away? Why do men teach this unless motivated by the devil? John said Jesus is the living Word of God, the Truth, the Law of God, the righteousness of God, in the flesh! Can Jesus pass away?

        If righteousness doesn’t come by the Law of God, why is JESUS going to be teaching
        it from Mt. Zion in HIS Kingdom to the nations? “And many people will come and say, ‘Come, let up go up to the house of
        the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob, that He may teach us concerning His
        ways, and that we may walk in His paths.’
        For the Law (Strong’s #8451- Torah) will go forth from Zion, and the Word of the LORD from Jerusalem.” Micah says the same thing (Micah 4:2)!

        Why is JESUS teaching the nations to follow God’s Law if it isn’t righteous and God doesn’t view the one who walks in it as being righteous? He certainly saw Jesus as being righteous by walking in it!

        Paul makes the distinction between the two forms of righteousness, Man’s and God’s, in
        Romans 10:2-3 when he speaks to us about how the religious leaders of his day had
        a zeal for God, “but not according to knowledge. For not knowing about God’s
        righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.” Doesn’t Paul say right here God has a specific standard of
        righteousness? Where is that found? Isn’t it spoken of in Deuteronomy 4:8, quoted
        above?

        Jesus also spoke about these two “forms” of righteousness, and it was specifically
        directed at the Pharisees: “For I say unto you that unless your righteousness surpasses
        that of the scribes and Pharisees [and attains unto God’s righteousness], you shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” (Mt. 5:20)

        Both Jesus and Paul spoke of the two different standards of righteousness in the NT. When we read, we need to read it with this knowledge so that we can rightly divide the word of Truth! When we read Paul we have to ask ourselves, “Which Law is Paul speaking of: God’s or the Pharisees?”

        The above passage you quoted is properly understood when read in the following manner:

        “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness comes by the [Oral] law,
        then Christ is dead in vain.” (Galatians 2:21)
        Paul said grace doesn’t trump the God’s Law
        (Romans 6:1) and faith actually ESTABLISHES it. (Romans 3:31) Many Christians ignore these instructions. They
        want and like their OWN standard of righteousness, just like the Pharisees!

        It isn’t as simple as people WANT it to be. Some things with God are simple, this is not! This is why Peter warned his readers about misinterpreting Paul, which our leaders have
        also done!

        So let’s put this understanding to work for us, shall we? Here is your second quote, with distinction as to the law being spoken of:

        Galatians 2:16 – “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the [Oral] law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the [Oral] law: for by the works of the [Oral] law shall no flesh be justified.”

        Remember, everyone was already bringing their blood sacrifice to the temple. The issue was, “How is one to walk after bringing the proper sacrifice, once sin is forgiven?

        If this is not the meaning of the passage, then Paul clearly contradicts himself in Romans
        2:13 when he writes, “For not the hearers of the Law will be justified before God,
        but the doer’s of the law will be justified”.

        Else, how can he state in one place no flesh will be justified by “doing” the works of
        the Law, while in another he says men WILL BE justified by doing the works of the
        Law? Clearly, there are two different laws,
        and therefore two different sets of “works” being spoken of, and each has its own standard of righteousness!

        Let’s try one more passage often used to claim we are not to follow God’s Law. to practice utilizing what we have learned:

        “Now we know whatever the Law [God’s] says, it speaks to those who are under the Law [God’s], that every mouth may be closed, and all the world will become accountable to God; because by the works of the [Oral] Law no flesh will be justified in His
        sight [they will not be declared righteous]; for through the Law [God’s] comes the knowledge of sin [So said Moses in Ex. 20:20]. But now apart from the [Oral] Law, the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnesses by the Law [God’s] and the Prophets…” (Romans 3:19-21)

        If you ask God to allow you to begin to understand this truth, you will find a whole
        different world of understanding God and His Word. It is truly a breath of fresh air and
        deliverance from murkiness to light! It is the latter rain!!

      • PET2

        I ASK: WHAT DID JESUS ACCOMPLISH IF YOU MUST ACCEPT IT OR PERISH?

        • iris

          The only way to be reconciled to a holy creator, who is all loving and all just at the same time. Thankfully, God’s mercy is greater than His just judgement, so He provided Himself. The Cross is the bridge. Only He could have fulfilled all of the Law, and at the same time, bore our sins and took the punishment we all deserve. He satisfied the Father’s wrath for all those who believe and receive this free gift of salvation in faith.

          • PET2

            TO BE RECONCILED THERE MUST FIRST BE A CONCILIATION! JESUS SAID, “I COME ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP (IN THE HOUSE,NOT TO THE HOUSE) OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”! AGAIN, TO THE JEW, HE SAID, “YOU CANNOT HEAR MY WORD, FOR YOU ARE NOT OF GOD” YOU ARE OF YOUR FATHER the devil and the father of lies..a murderer…! does God reconcile devils? IF YES, WHY NOT JUDAS ISCARIOT, HE CALLED FRIEND?

          • iris

            Not sure I get what you’re saying PET2, please bear with me. Jesus was Jewish, the apostles and first evangelists were Jewish, scholars estimate 20-30,000 Jewish believers in Jerusalem alone, after Pentecost. Yes, the Jewish leaders condemned Jesus, but many Jews believed on Him, and Acts tells us that after Pentecost, many of the priests believed and joined the Church. Jesus also stated that the leaders would deliver Him to the Gentiles, who would kill Him. Jew and Gentile killed Jesus, we all killed Jesus, because we have all sinned, and He died on purpose for all of us, anyway. Only those who receive Him as God come in the flesh, and their personal savior can be reconciled to God, however. At first, Adam and Eve were in perfect union with God and with each other. They broke that fellowship by trying to be their own gods, and the penalty for that sin brought death and cursing to humanity and the whole planet. Jesus came to reconcile the broken relationship between God and man.
            God bless.

          • PET2

            WHEN YOU SAY, “ALL OF US” ARE YOU SPEAKING OF “HIS OWN” ‘THE LOST SHEEP ONLY IN THE HOUSE, OR ALL THE WORLD? I AM CONFUSED! AND OF COURSE, THE “OTHER SHEEP, AS PETER SAID, “HE HAS TAKEN OUT OF THE GENTILES! Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. BUT NOT YET WHEN HE DIED FOR THE PEOPLE IN PARADISE OF THE JEWS FOLD, IT WAS FOR THEM ATONEMENT WAS MADE THAT BULLS AND GOATS COULD ONLY COVER, NOT PURGED.

          • PET2

            IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, ” Only those who receive Him as God come in the flesh, and their personal savior can be reconciled to God, however.” SO GOD SENT JESUS ON CONSIGNMENT “TO SAVE OR TO PERISH” DEPENDING ON THEIR ACCEPTANCE ELIMINATING THE MEANING OF REDEMPTION, THE BUYING BACK THOSE HE ONCE HAD FOR HIS OWN? AM I CORRECT IN THIS UNDERSTANDING? IF NOT, PLEASE CORRECT AND WITH SCRIPTURE FOR MT REPROOF.

          • iris

            Yes, that’s what I meant as to the first sentence. Even though Jesus has died for us all, and God doesn’t want any to perish without first becoming saved, He is a gentleman and gives us free will, because we are made in His image. Faith is one of the 3 major gifts of the Holy Spirit, per 1st Corinthians. We are told in Romans that without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith is a gift, but a gift is something which can be received or refused, so when we place our hope and faith in Jesus, God accepts us, our lives start being made new, and we are adopted into His family.

            And now I just saw what you wrote below, so should respond to it a better way, hopefully. God offered Himself to all of us through Christ to redeem the whole human race, which is fallen. However, like it says in OT and is repeated by Paul in Romans, “not all Israel are Israel”, so it is with all of humanity. Not everyone who says they’re a Christian, perhaps even might think they’re a Christian, is actually a Christian. Only those people, Jew or Gentile, who actually have a saving, personal relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ and His reconciling work, are actually born again. Mental assent or repetition of a liturgy without a living relationship and a changed heart, won’t be good enough. But God knows each heart, and He is the best “fruit inspector”.

            As Christians, we love God in return for His amazing love, grace and mercy, and naturally want to share this good news of Jesus. It takes a lifetime, but He perfects us over the course of it. We learn that His love is better than anything or anyone, we give Him all the praise and credit, for as it says in Philippians 2:13, It is He who is at work in us, not only to will, but also to work, for His good pleasure. Faith results in obedience, (Romans) obedience bears the fruit of the Holy Spirit, especially, righteous Love, peace and joy.
            God bless!

    • PET2

      NO CHRISTIAN, A FOUND LOST SHEEP, INCLUDING THE MALEFACTOR, THE WOMAN AT THE WELL, THE WOMAN CAUGHT IN THE ACT OF ADULTRY A DISCIPLE, WHO DECLARED, “I KNOW NOT THE MAN” WERE EVER HEADED TO HELL, AN IMPOSSIBILITY! JESUS WAS SENT TO “SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SIN” NOT TO CONDEMN THEM!

    • PET2

      NO CHRISTIAN IS EVER HEADED TO HELL! NOT THE WOMAN AT THE WELL, NOT THE WOMAN CAUGHT IN THE ACT OF ADULTERY, NOT THE MALEFACTOR ON THE CROSS AND NOT THE DISCIPLE WHO DENIED HE KNEW HIM

  • Truth Seeker

    “If you want to have a relationship with Him, it is very easy.”

    Dead Wrong.

    Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. (Matthew 16:24 NASB)

    “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:25 NASB) (Guess what, almost all Americans count as “rich” compared to the rest of the world.)

    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

    “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’ Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends [c]a delegation and asks for terms of peace. So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions. (Luke 14:26-33 NASB)

    It’s time to do some soul searching of your own Michael. You are guilty of the very thing that you rail against.

    Satan is very real as I know you believe, and he delights in watered down gospels such as yours because it convinces the maximum number of people possible that they are saved when they are really perishing and on the way to hell.

    I’ll go ahead and correct your statement based on the actual word of God: “If you want to have a relationship with Him, it WILL COST YOU EVERYTHING.” That’s a good start. It also wouldn’t hurt to include the *actual* gospel after that.

    The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. (Matthew 13:44 NASB)

    Behold, the sorcerer who discerns inscrutable waves from the Spirit realm but yet cannot discern the truth of the word of God written to us in plain text.

  • MaxRockatansky33

    After we die we wait for Judgement. After this there is no hell. Even Hitler will not be there. Small minority of worst sinners will be gone forever. They won’t fry in hell. This is illusion. End of story. And yes, I support Jehovah Witness. There will be no hell after Armageddon. And homosexuals are not on this list bigots.

  • James Staten

    Look at it like this: Jail is a temporary holding area until you get your day in court, and at the Great White Throne Judgment, then have your day. All the records are opened, then one is cast into Prison the Lake of Fire. Without looking up the exact scripture eventually death and hell are cast into the Lake of Fire Forever!!!

    • PET2

      JUST REMEMBER, HELL IS NEVER PREACHED TO THE ELECT! ONLY FOR SATAN’S KIDS, THE TARE AND THE VIPERS!

      • James Staten

        Well the Lord said to preach the gospel to every creature, if they have a yellow stripe or not? Jesus spoke of Judgment, and the Apostle Paul didn’t.

  • Truth Seeker

    The Gospel:

    In accordance with the Father’s good pleasure, the eternal Son, who is equal with the Father and is the exact representation of His nature, willingly left the glory of heaven, was conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of a virgin, and was born the God-man: Jesus of Nazareth.

    As a man, He walked on his earth in perfect obedience to the law of God. In the fullness of time, men rejected and crucified Him. On the cross, He bore man’s sin, suffered God’s wrath, and died in man’s place. On the third day, God raised Him from dead. The resurrection is the divine declaration that the Father has accepted His Son’s death as a sacrifice for sin. Jesus paid the penalty for man’s disobedience, satisfied the demands of justice, and appeased the wrath of God.

    Forty days after the resurrection, the Son of God ascended into the heavens, sat down at the right hand of the Father, and was given glory, honor, and dominion over all. There, in the presence of God, He represents His people and makes requests to God on their behalf. All who acknowledge their sinful, helpless state and throw themselves upon Christ, God will fully pardon, declare righteous, and reconcile unto Himself. This is the gospel of God and of Jesus Christ, his son.

    The Gospel is the good news of how can a man be right before God. Yet it is here that we encounter the greatest single obstacle to human salvation imaginable: How can an absolutely just and righteous Judge ever justify (declare righteous) an absolutely guilty and condemned criminal? How can any human being escape the damnation of hell? We are told by God Himself that, “He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the righteous, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord.” There is only one answer: A man can be right with God only through the life and death of the Lord Jesus Christ on his behalf. “He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross.“ “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”Christ alone can make us right with God.

    The ultimate and only problem of humanity is sin. Man’s problem with sin has two aspects, one internal and the other external: Not only does every person have a bad heart; he also has a bad record in the eyes of God’s law. Sin both defiles him and condemns him; its power rules within him, and its penalty rests upon him. Man is both helpless and hopeless — his plight is truly impossible. Into this situation of darkness and despair a great light has shown. Jesus has come. He can and will save his people from both the penalty and power of their sins. He does the former in justification; He does the latter in regeneration.

    The Cross means you are bad enough to go to hell and you needed something supplied outside of your efforts to make a way to heaven, and that is offensive to the self-righteous man and to his pride. Because it says: Man, you are NOT good. You are so bad and sinful that God had to slaughter His own Son as a sacrifice in order to make a way for you to be saved from your sin that is so filthy.

    *It will cost you everything!*

    Jesus said “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?” and “So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.” – The Bible is clear that to truly follow Christ is to be surrendered entirely to Christ. Jesus is not just someone’s Savior from sin but He is Lord of their life. Anyone who bears the name of Christian, but is still their own master cannot truly be saved. As Jesus said“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other…”

    Many people grow up as professing “Christians” but does your life bear the evidences of someone who has been saved? Jesus said “Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.” One of the tests of assurance is that true salvation changes the way you act when nobody is watching because you know that God is watching. Your faith is that real, it is that powerful, it is that controlling — that when nobody is watching, you know God is, and it prevents you from doing things on the computer that otherwise you would rather do.

    The Bible says that today is the day of salvation and near the very end of the Bible it says “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.” You can come without price because Christ has paid the price with His own blood on the Cross.

    Are you still carrying the burden of sin and guilt? Are you still under the wrath of God? “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” There is a “fountain for sin and impurity.” “The blood of Jesus, God’s Son cleanse us from all sin.” No matter how great your sins may be, they are nothing compared to the infinite worth of Christ’s blood! Come to Him! He invites and commands you to come; you need not fear that you are being presumptuous by coming: “And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.” Come to Him! Take the water of life! Cast your sins upon Him and trust Him as your sin-bearer. “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.”

    More information can be found by googling “I’ll be honest what is the gospel”.

    • Preacher62

      Doesn’t get any plainer than that

    • iris

      Absolute Truth, and wonderfully put. Our hope and trust as believers is in Him.

  • Gay Veteran

    “…Our youngest adults, the Millennials, are far more likely to reject the Christian faith than any generation that has preceded them….”

    hmmmmmm, could it have something to do with fundies fixation with Teh Gays?

  • Carly

    Hell is not a real place, Unless you count your time on earth.

  • Kent Harris

    This past year has open my eyes to how the church, namely preachers, no longer preach the truth. We believe that the good life is the most important thing and that if we achieve it then life is good. Wrong. God warns about how wealth actually turns man’s hearts from Him. When we value wealth and prestige, we inherently turn from Him.

    “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
    Matthew 6:19-20

    • watchmannonthewall

      By David Wilkerson, from “The Vision” (1973):

      “I have seen the Jesus people of this generation as the “last Christian”. Satan is going to come as an angel of light, so subtle, innocent, and indefinable that few will recognize what is happening to them”

      “The number one temptation for the last Christian WILL BE PROSPERITY. Tthe Bible warns us that in the last days many Christians will be halfhearted, rich, prosperous, and in need of nothing…”

      “I see many Christians being deceived by prosperity. The last Christian is going to be tested by it MORE THAN through poverty”

      “In my vision, I see Satan appearing before God one last time, as he did to accuse Job in the Bible. But this last time he comes to ask permission to tempt the last Christian. Here is what I see:”

      “And the Lord said to Satan, ‘Where have you come from?’ Satan answered, ‘From going to and fro in the earth and observing the last Christian.’ And the Lord said unto Satan, ‘Have you considered these last day Christians-how dedicated, how upright, how God-fearing, and Christ loving they are?’ How they try to run from your evil plots?'”
      “Then Satan answered the Lord, ‘Yes, but just take away the hedge you’ve built around them. Job wouldn’t forsake you in his poverty- but just increase and bless all these last Christians far beyond anything Job ever had and see what happens. Make all these Christians affluent like Job. Build them fancy new homes- give them fine automobiles- all the money and gadgets they need. Swamp them with campers, boats, world travel, fine clothes, exotic foods, land holdings and savings accounts. See what happens to your last Christians when they become full, rich, increased with goods, and are in need of nothing. They will forsake You and become self -centered!'”
      “In my vision is see Satan standing back and laughing with glee: ‘Look at all the money-mad Christians- all the clothes hogs! Bitten by the security bug! Making heaps of money! Buying new furniture! Getting bigger cars! Buying two or three of them! Buying, planting, selling, marrying, divorcing! It ruined Lot’s generation. And it will get you too!’
      ‘Look at all the well paid, easy living, big-eating Christians getting lazy, lukewarm, and becoming easy prey. God- pour it on them. It’s getting to a lot of them, and its making my job easier!'”
      Seems to be spot on since 43 years ago, so must have been the Holy Spirit who moved on him to have him write as he did. A testimony against us, as we have ignored the warning. Father, look upon the hearts of these your people and have respect unto those who truely love and serve you.

      • PET2

        I SEE THE FALLACY OF FREEWILL THE ENEMY OF TRUTH IN OUR DAY, A DOCTRINE MADE FAMOUS BY SUCH GREAT MEN AS SPURGEON, SAD TO SAY. ADAM, BEFORE HIS FALL HAD A FREEWILL AND IT LED TO HIS CONDEMNATION FOR ALL HUMANITY! YET MEN INSIST IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO LIFE!!! HOW STUPID IS THAT OF DEAD SOULS?

    • iris

      Amen!

  • carson

    Great article. tickled people give more.
    godliness as a means of gain is afoot in these last day’s for sure.

  • ProclaimingGodsTruth

    Michael – good article on the lack of preaching about hell and sin in our churches today!

    But the great harvest … it will not come until the Tribulation. Look at our world today – much on what you have written. Do you think people are seeking or want to seek the Lord today? Absolutely not!

    The great harvest is about what will happen after the church is caught away by the Lord in the clouds. This will occur before the 7 year Trib starts but … we will not be spared the perils of the first four Horsemen payloads of Rev 6.

    There is no conclusive evidence in scripture that purports that Christ’s Bride will go through His wrath. None! On the other hand – that we will be saved from His wrath – there is plenty of scripture. – OT and NT.

    Please some questions for you…
    Did Lot go through God’s wrath in S&G? (I believe the answer here is no.) Wasn’t he “saved” from it?

    How about Noah? Wasn’t he saved OUT of the flood – he and his family by the Lord providing an escape means? (I believe the answer here is yes.)

    Shalom

    • Guest

      Well said. I agree with Michael on a lot of things, but I disagree with his post-trib view.

      • PET2

        AT ONE STATEMENT HE SOUNDS PRE- TRIB. ANOTHER HE IMPLIES SPLIT POST TRIB. NOT SURE WHICH HE IS. ANYONE TEACHING ANYTHING OTHER THAN PRE TRIBULATION FOR THE CHURCH IS IGNORANT OF THE TRUTH AND CANNOT PUT SEQUENCE TO EVENTS TO MAKE SENSE OF ORDER OF THINGS TO COME!

    • michael malachi

      I think that you are sincere, I only write you to ready you for what will happen. Be ready to go through the tribulation and do not count on the rapture. If it happens, then we will rejoice, but when it doesn’t then you better be ready for the hardship. Put your faith in Jesus and not a doctrine of rapture before hard times come.

      • ProclaimingGodsTruth

        Thanks for your reply but please realize that I am not “counting” on any type of escape mechanism. You see the first four seals of Rev 6 everyone will go through and they will be absolutely terrible times. Many hardened Christians will even fall away from the faith.

        I don’t linger on this doctrine but I do preach and teach the whole truth of scripture. And I do this thru the lens of the Jew. Jesus was a Jew, lived among the Jews and the Bible was written by and for the Jews.

        On the rapture of His Bride – please review the ancient Jewish Wedding Ceremony and observe how it parallels the exact format of the marriage and marriage feast of the Lamb.

        Finally, our Lord and Savior will not drag His Bride through His wrath. There are many scriptures that support plus it just makes sense.

        When I got married and others too we didn’t beat our brides up first – of course not. We protected them and loved them and would do anything to save them from peril.

        Shalom.

        • michael malachi

          Thank you, I think that we agree on most things about the timing of the rapture. I think that the only difference is I see the 6 seals as the tribulation and then the rapture and then judgment. I think that you see the 6 seals as part of the tribulation and then the rapture and then the remainder of the tribulation via wrath. Pretty similar and nothing to debate. God bless You.

        • PET2

          SO CHRIST WHO TEACHES US TO “LONE OUR WIVES AS WE LOVE OURSELVES, WILL SUBJECT HIS BRIDE TO THE WRATH OF GOD AND THE TERRIBLE VIALS ON EARTH?????? AGAIN YOUR REASONING IS CARNAL

          • ProclaimingGodsTruth

            My reasoning is just common sense!

            How many grooms drag their brides through their wrath/anger/fury before they marry them.

            Please tell me who does this!

          • PET2

            I ONLY ASK THIS OF YOU, MY POINT IS THERE IS NO POST RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH, OUR LORDS BRIDE, NOR IS THERE A SPLIT POST RAPTURE! JESUS WOULD BE A MONSTER TO DO SUCH A THING. AGREE?

      • PET2

        U NEED MUCH STUDY AND LEADERSHIP BY THE ONLY AUTHORIZED TEACHER ( 1JOHN 2:27)! PAUL COUNTED ON IT! SEE 1 THES. 4:13-18! HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THE VISIBLE RETURN WHEN EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM? FURTHERMORE, THE LAST WEEK OF YEARS HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETE OF DANIELS PROPHECY WHICH DEALS WITH GENTILE NATIONS AND THE JEW. AND THE SAINTS TAKEN UP ARE JUDGED FOR DEEDS DONE IN THE BODY AND THE MARRIAGE OF THE BRIDE AND GROOM IS DONE, JOHN BAPTIST BEING THE BEST MAN OF THE GROOM! IN HIS VISIBLE APPEARING WHEN THE WORLD WILL SEE HIM MOUNT HIS STALLION, IS A RESULT OF THE FIRMAMENT BEING ROLLED UP AND VANISHES AWAY, NO PLANETS NO SKY, NO SUN MOON OR STARS! TELL ME HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE FOR US AND HIS ANGELS TO COME WITH HIM FROM HEAVEN IF NO TAKING AWAY TO MEET HIM IN THE AIR?????????

    • PET2

      NEITHER DID THEY IN PAUL’S DAY: Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
      Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

      • ProclaimingGodsTruth

        So it was then and so it was in David’s day. There’s nothing new under the sun – Eccl 1:9.
        However, you fail to understand the wrath of God and the Day of the Lord.

        Explain this verse in relation to the wrath of God coming as soon as Rev 6 – 6th seal.

        “God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.” -Nahum 1:2 (KJV)

        You seem to indicate that we as the Bride of Christ will go through His wrath… How about Noah and Lot? Did they?

  • michael malachi

    The path to salvation:
    * The free gift of grace given By Jesus Christ to all who would accept it.
    We chose to believe in order to access that grace.
    * To believe is more than a momentary phrase that you say of temporary decision, it is the giving of one’s self in total to Christ, from the heart unto the righteousness of God.
    * If we truly believe we shall no longer walk in darkness, but in light. We shall have the Fruits of the Spirit started in our lives and one or more of the Gifts of the Spirit. If the Holy Spirit lives in us he will shine through.

    Here are a few of the many verses to check for yourself.
    Romans 10:9-10
    Mark 16:16-20
    Colossians 3:1-13
    Ephesians 2:15
    Galatians 5:17-25

    • PET2

      I ASK U THIS QUESTION. IF YOUR DADDY SAID TO YOU WHEN YOU REACHED A CERTAIN AGE, SON, I HAVE LOVED AND CARED FOR YOU THESE MANY YEARS, BUT TODAY IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT ME, I WILL CAST YOU INTO THE 2ND DEATH AND A BURNING HELL!! WHAT KIND OF FATHER WOULD YOU HAVE????REALLY!

      • PET2

        NO ANSWER?

    • PET2

      AS AN UNBORN CHILD GIVES HIMSELF TO ITS MOTHER????????

  • Notice also that preachers don’t talk about sin, either.What a sorry state that we are all in.

    John Little
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  • R Jensen

    I think that part of the reason that so many people do not think hell exists is because today there is hardly any consequence for making poor decisions. So if there is little or no consequences in life why should there be any in death?

  • rmc9

    “However, when the Son of Man comes (returns), will He find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:8

  • PET2

    MANY PREACHERS WI;L PERISH THERE SAYETH JESUS FOR HE NEVER KNEW THEM, INCLUDING MISSIONARIES DOING MIRACLES AND WONDERFUL WORKS AND EVANGELIST THAT TRAVEL THE WORLD OVER! MAT. 7!
    THE CHRISTIANITY WE HAVE TODAY IS A MAN MADE UNSOUND DOCTRINE THAT ANYBODY CAN BE SAVED! FALSE ACCORDING TO JESUS! MAT. 13:34-40!
    SATAN IS NOT EXPOSED NOR HIS CHILDREN! JOHM 8 :43,44!NEVER FRET, JESUS WILL MOT LOSE A LOST SHEEP AS YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD SINCE BIRTH! IT IS A LIE, GOD IS NO LOSER!

  • BJ Giauque

    Everyone, you do realize that hell is an event not an actual place you go to for eternity. Jesus said himself in John 3:16 that those who don’t believe in him shall perish (my understanding of that word “perish” is to end or not exist any longer. Your finished dude). There is only one group of people in the group Jesus is talking about in that verse that have eternal life and they are those who believe in him. The unbelievers are still in their unmortal state and ceased to exsist after they are burned up in the ever lasting flames. Scripture makes it very clear that God Himself is the consuming fire. Deuteronomy 4:24 “For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.” And Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

    Just something to think about. If you were to go into a burning hell and burn for eternity, wouldn’t that be considered a form of everlasting life. It would be a pretty crappy everlasting life, but you still would have obtained it. But Jesus said only those who believe in him would have eternal life. The others or non-believers would just cease to exsist or as he put it “Perish”.

  • Shara Bingham Mills

    Hell is being separated from God. Once Jesus lands He is not going to force those he loves to see some fiery hell of their ex loved ones screaming in agony for ever. Really. Does that sound like a heavenly rest to you? It’s not going down like you think men. You can’t imagine because we are trapped in a flesh that feels everything. Our retarded minds can’t fathom the nature of a God that is also the epitome of a gentleman.

  • Eskimo man

    There is only one Church of Christianity, that Church is Catholic and Jesus built it on rock, promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against it, gave it the keys to the Kingdom of God and the power to bind and loosen Matthew 16:17-19. The Holy Catholic Church can never mix with heretic Protestants whose religion was created by the antichrist occult to oppose the one true Christian Holy Catholic Apostolic Church of the Mystical Body of Christ.

  • Wallace B…

    I don’t agree with the prosperity “Gospel” but the idea of hell commonly spread (eternal conscious torture in fire) IS NOT BIBLICAL. Everlasting destruction is what the bible teaches from the front to back

  • PET2

    you will not find the new man in the old testament nor anything to do with the law of Moses. which ended with John Baptist! John Baptist is your first example of The new man, one filled with the Holy Ghost in his mothers womb! As a gentile, i never was under the law of Moses and no other Gentile! Eph.2:12!
    The new man is a new creation, not of imputed righteousness as Abraham and his family had but a creation in
    RIGHTEOUSNESS AND TRUE HOLINESS! EPH. 4: 24!

  • PET2

    HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS WHEN PAUL TELLS YOU:Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
    1, NO GOD
    2, NO MESSIAH
    3. NO HOPE

    THEN; Rom 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
    Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
    Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
    Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

    CAN U NOT SEE HOW THE JEW HAD ALL THE PROMISES , NO GENTILE?

    • watchmannonthewall

      I m not sure what comment of mine you are responding to with your statements. Your comment doesn’t appear to have anything to do with my reponses above that. 1) The law was a tutor to prepare us for the appearance of Christ and we can’t now throw out everything the tutor first taught us, or, 2) The second point, that the Law was intended to both MAKE one righteous before God through the acceptable sacrifice AND then to keep one in the state of holiness, righteousness, through obedience to God’s commandments.
      I am not sure where your above comments about Jews being the only recipients of the promises covenanted to Abraham, who was promised to become A FATHER OF MANY (GENTILE?) NATIONS, and who was NOT a Jew (since they are descended from Judah), but a Hebrew, enters that discussion.
      There are many Gentiles in the linage of Israel, not the least of these were the brides of Jacob, and his sons (there weren’t any other Hebrew women in the Land with Jacob. His sons most likely married women of Schechem or Egypt.), the wife of Joseph, the harlot Rahab, Ruth, both of which were grandmoters to David, and etc.
      Obviously God has been grafting Gentiles into Israel since the beginning! Paul only put into words that which had been happening for centuries!

      • PET2

        NO DOUBT, MANY GENTILES WERE GRAFTED IN, HOWEVER, NO NATION WAS OR PAUL’S ADDRESS TO THE CHURCH IS OF NO SENSE, AS I POINTED OUT

        • watchmannonthewall

          Stephen, just before being stoned:
          “This is the one who was in the church [Strong’s #1577- “ekklesia”- “a calling out, especially a religious congregation, assembly, church”] in the wilderness with the angel [messenger- the pre-incarnate Jesus] who was speaking to him on Sinai and who was with our fathers; and he [Moses] received living oracles to pass on to you.” (Acts 7:38)
          Stephen testified that the “church” was in the wilderness with Moses. How is that possible? Because the OT was written in Hebrew and translated to English, but he NT was written in Greek and translated to English. If your NT had been written in Hebrew, everywhere it says “Church” it would instead say “assembly” or “congregation”.
          Wasn’t God smart to have the OT translated into Greek as the Septuagint by Jewish scholars about 265 BC so that we would know that the OT Hebrew words “assembly” or “congregation” was also translated to Greek as “ekklesia, and is called the NT “church”.
          The NT “church” is still Israel. The SAME Israel as in the OT. The Gentiles were grafted INTO Israel, Israel was NOT grafted into the Gentiles. (Paul- Romans 11:17-24)The meaning of “Gentile” is one who doesn’t know God. Once you come to know God, you are no longer a Gentile, just as Paul told us in Eph 2:11. We were “formerly Gentiles in the flesh”, but are not any longer.

          • PET2

            WAS NOT GOD MARRIED TO ISRAEL AND DIVORCE HER! Jer_3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. NOW, U R TELLING US THAT THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL AND THE BRIDE OF CHRIST???????? EXPLAIN

          • watchmannonthewall

            Yes, God did divorce the northern 10 tribes of Israel, but He did not divorce the Southern Kingdom, Judah. Paul explains how BOTH kingdoms can be remarried to God in Romans 6-7. Romans is written to Jews and Gentiles in home assemblies (Ch. 16).

            In Romans 6 Paul explains that we are buried with Him in baptism and raised in the likeness of His resurrection. Our old self was crucified with Him so we would no longer be slaves to sin (v.1-7). He instructs us that we are to consider
            ourselves dead to sin and alive unto Christ and not let sin reign, or have dominion, over our mortal bodies (v.8-16)

            We have now become slaves of righteousness, and are to present our members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in our sanctification (v. 17-19). Since we died in Christ, we are now “freed
            from sin (the power of it) and enslaved to God…resulting in sanctification and the outcome [of sanctification], eternal life (v. 22-23)

            Paul continues in Romans 7:1-4 “Or do you NOT know, brethren (for I AM SPEAKING TO THOSE WHO KNOW THE LAW), that the Law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he/she lives? For the married woman is bound by the Law to her husband while he is living; but if he dies [Jesus died], she is released from the Law concerning her husband.”

            The passage you quoted from Jeremiah shows Judah played the harlot. But her husband, Jesus Christ, is now dead. She is free to marry whom she will! But, she can’t marry the risen Jesus unless she gives up her own life this time, as per Romans 6. She held onto it at Sinai. Now she has to give it up!

            Paul continues: “So then if, while her husband is living, she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress [Judah was]; but if her husband dies [Jesus died], she is free from the Law [concerning her husband] though she is joined
            to another man [she can marry a risen Jesus or foreign gods]. Therefore my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law [Deut. 24:1-4 no longer has jurisdiction over you] through the Body of Christ, that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead…”

            When Paul says he is “speaking to those who know the Law”, WHICH Law is he speaking of? It is Deuteronomy 24:1-4 which
            states that when a husband divorces his wife and issues her a certificate of divorcement, which is what God did with the northern 10 tribes, if she leaves and marries another man and he dies, she CANNOT return to her first husband because that is an abomination and would defile the Land.

            Even though the second husband died, she can’t return to the first! The Northern Kingdom received a bill of divorcement, went out to other husbands and lovers who all of whom ended up dead. According to God’s Law, she had no way to return to her first husband. The Jews understand this, today! Paul
            explains in Romans her first husband has died, but has rose again. She can now marry the new risen Messiah, but she also must die and be raised a new creation!
            All Gentiles also have to die, as they are all married to other husbands already!

            We used to have an old saying, “God doesn’t want to kill you, He just wants you to die!” Everyone must die! But Jesus had to die so both houses of Israel could be set free from their first husband to come into t eight relationship with God.

            If we do not know the Law of God, we will have a hard time understanding what Paul is trying
            to teach us. He shows us in Romans, even God will follow His own Law. We should expect this!

            Bottom line: Jesus had to die so both Kingdoms could be free to remarry. But those of both kingdoms also had to die to self and be raised as new creations with new hearts!

            It is a difficult subject to try and make understandable! I hope you can follow it. Paul explains how we die and are raised up in our Husband’s life. Sort of like how Eve was raised up from her own husband’s life!

          • PET2

            GOD WAS MARRIED TO ISRAEL BEFORE THEY WERE SPLIT 10-2 ! HOSEA GIVES US THE PICTURE OF GOD RESTORING HER TO PURITY AN TAKING HER AS HIS WIFE WHEN HE RESTORES THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID! Jer_3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. THE DISCIPLES TELL ME YOU ARE WRONG, NO SENSE AND CANNOT MAKE THE JEW THE CHURCH NOR ISRAELITES
            KEEP STUDYING TO FIND THE TRUTH

          • watchmannonthewall

            Your evidence of what the disciples say that makes you believe the church is not the Israel God chose from the very beginning?
            James and Peter both addressed their letters to those those who were scattered through out the world explaining how what they had been taught by Moses was still applicable. James, at the Jerusalem Council in his decision, told the church at Antioch that the Gentiles could go to the synagogues on every Sabbath and hear Moses taught there, to learn the rest beyond the three principles given. We teach new believers to come to “the church” on Sunday to keep learning God’s principles, so no different today than then, exept we teach them to come on the wrong day!
            Of course, “the church” likes to ignore Acts 15:21 because it means they are to learn everything the Jews had been learning for centuries and “the church” wants its own identity. This is even spoken of by Edwin Gibbon’s in his classic history of Rome, “The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire”!
            Enjoy your journey but keep an open mind as scripture is far more comprehensive than what the religious leaders of today know. Just as it was in the day of Jesus.
            “That which has been is that which will be, that which has been done is that which will be done. So, there is nothing new under the sun.” (Ecc. 1:9)
            If you believe the church is something “new” that came about since the time of Christ, you also believe Solomon didn’t know what he was talking about. I believe he did and it was a warning from God to us to keep us on track and away from the seducing spirits and doctrines of demons that would come in the last days. I’ve enjoyed our dialogue. Thank you!

          • PET2

            I TO HOPE I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU, WHY YOUR TEACHING OF THE CHURCH IS A TOTAL FABRICATION!
            HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS INSPIRED SCRIPTURE; Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
            Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
            Act 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
            Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
            Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
            Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
            Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
            Act 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
            Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

            2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
            2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
            2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
            Rom_15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.TWO SAPARATE PEOPLE, NOT A WIFE FOR JESUS OR WHY WILL GOD RETURN TO HIS PEOPLE?
            Rom_11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
            Rom_11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

          • watchmannonthewall

            1. What is it you can’t be freed from by the Law of Moses? As stated earlier regarding Deut 29:4, one did not receive a new heart with the power to overcome sin consistantly. Paul speaks about this battle at he end of Romans 7.
            I am told the Talmud actually says tongues of fire appeared at Sinai signifying God attempted to purify the heart of His people there, to make them the kingdom of priests and holy nation He said He was going to make them in Ex. 19:6, but they refused to allow it. The religious leaders of Israel have NO incentive to lie about this since it parallels the events of Pentecost.

            As stated over and over, the doctrine of the protestants never quite left the Catholic Church and so many false doctrines remain, and “the church” is going back to its mother. Unless one is willing to go back to the beginning of Scripture and do their own due diligence, less the Dispensational false doctrine of John Darby, which none of the prophets spoke of, and others coming after him, seeking direction from the Holy Spirit, one will remain trapped in the current dogma that somehow “the chruch” is somethng seperate from and more special than those “others”.
            Jeremiah prophesied regarding the Tribulation and beginnning of the Millennial Kingdom in the following manner: (Jer. 16:19)
            “O LORD, my strength and my stronghold, and my refuge in the day of distress [the Great Tribulation], to Thee ALL nations will come from the ends of the earth [the fulfillment of Deut. 30:4) and say, ‘Our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood [lies], futility and things of no profit.'”
            “The church” thinks they have escaped satan’s “falsehoods” but really they are in the exact same place the religious leaders of Jesus’ day were; they and their followers are the ones about whom Jeremiah is speaking. In fact, I doubt they even know what Jeremiah said, since they spend so much time reading about and parroting their god, Paul! However, just like Jesus told the religious leaders of His day, you put your trust in Moses but Moses will be testifying against you at the judgment. The same with many today but it will be Paul testifying against them. “What has been done, swll be done. There is nothing new under the sun.”
            Can’t respond to your last two passages, since you didn’t finish your thoughts.
            I learned well BEFORE I was 50 that I didn’t know much about many things. Perhaps that is why God has continued to show me things from His Word. I will keep following and learning! I’m always ready to admit I was wrong and move from my positon, if there is evidence to substantiate what others are trying to put out there. It is how I make living and I apply the same principles in my walk with the LORD.

          • PET2

            NOT TRUE. THE ISRAELITES, IN FEAR, STAYED AT THE FOOT OF THE MOUNTAIN AN IF THEY HAD TOUCHED IT, WOULD HAVE DIED. U DELIBERATELY TRYING TO DECEIVE.
            U LIE AS DOES THE TALMUD IF WHAT YOU QUOTE IS TRUE. GOD DID NOT, NOR JESUS COMING TO BE KING IF ONLY THEY ACCEPT HIM, NEVER DID!
            INSTEAD OF JEREMIAH WHOM GOD SENT TO WARN THE JEWS ABOUT CAPTIVITY OF THE CHALDEAN’S, U NEED TO LEARN OF DANIELS 70 WEEKS OF YEARS OF WHICH I HAVE SEEN NOTHING IN YOUR WRITINGS OF REPUTED LOGIC.

          • watchmannonthewall

            Perhaps tht might be because there is so much dispute about what the 70 weeks really mean? I don’t pretend to understand the passage. Do you?
            If Jesus was somehow tied to its fulfillment, the first three and a half years or whatever, don’t you think the apostles would have at least mentioned it somewhere?

          • PET2

            THAT TOO IS NOT TRUE AT THE COUNCIL OF JERUSALEM WHERE PAUL AND BARNABAS MET WITH THE DISCIPLES TO ARGUE KEEPING OF MOSES LAW FOR LATER TO BE CALLED CHRISTIANS AT ANTIOCH.
            JAMES ADDRESS THOSE SCATTERED ABROAD, NOT LOST AS YOU ARE CLAIMING.
            Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

            PETER ADDRESS RESIDENT FOREIGNERS,
            1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
            1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
            NONE LOST TRIBES. U ERR AGAIN

          • PET2

            GENTILES GOING TO THE SYNAGOGAL COUNCIL IS AN UNFOUNDED LIE! NEVER ALLOWED BY THE HIGH PRIEST AND BY GOD’S COMMAND

          • PET2

            YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO STUDY LEVITICUS

          • watchmannonthewall

            God was married to Israel, but His wives were two just like Israel had two SISTERS, Leah and Rachel. Note that Jeremiah referred to Israel and Judah as SISTERS. God uses thematic connections to help us understand His Word.
            The split of the two nations is pictured in Joseph being spit from his family, and is specifically prophesied in a passage we covered earlier in Genesis 48:16-19 regarding Ephraim and Manasseh. Read and understand Psalms 78:1-8 where God tells us the Torah is a parable. Most Christians think Jesus was the one who first discovered parables, but no, God already was using them in the OT hundreds of years before, and from the very beginning of His recorded history!

  • Goldenpuff2

    I have a problem with prophecy from some guy (ya gotta admit…there are all kinds of people out there saying they are prophesying). The Bible tells us everything we need to know and our imaginations can figure out the rest. I mean, seriously, doesn’t the Bible already say what most of the ‘prophet’ people say? Anybody can throw out some detail…who’s going to check after the fact when everybody’s freaking out? Revelation and scores of other verses already tell us exactly what is going to happen. Why do we need more?

  • PET2

    O HOW SIMPLE IT IS TO BE BLIND FIRST TO THE MEANING OF ATONEMENT GOD PERFORMED IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, AND THE ATONEMENT JESUS ACCOMPLISHED AT GOLGOTHA’S HILL!

    Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    ALL SAINTS WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO HEAVEN, BUT WENT TO ABRAHAM’S BOSOM, PARADISE! WHY? THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS COULD NEVER “PURGE” ON COVER!

    • watchmannonthewall

      I have read the book of Proverbs and I think I understand it pretty well. Have a nice day.

  • Ray S.

    Preachers aren’t preaching about hell because they know it’s bad for the busines$ of church. They’ve decided that instead of letting the truth of God convict people of sin, that it’s all okay as long as you feel good about yourself and keep on tithing so that pastor, his wife, and their kids can afford living in that big mansion of a house they are building. Their reward is here on the earth but one day they will give an account and will be held responsible for holding back God’s word.