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What Should Be Done To A Country That Kills 56 Million Of Its Own People?

Baby 2014Do you know how many babies have been murdered in America since 1973?  It is a number that is almost too horrible to think about.  An astounding 56 million American babies have been killed by various abortion methods since Roe v. Wade was decided back in 1973.  So what should be done to a country that kills 56 million of its own people?  We rightly condemn other totalitarian regimes throughout history such as Nazi Germany, the USSR and Communist China that have killed millions (or tens of millions) of their own people.  But what about us?  What do we deserve for slaughtering more than 50 million of our own precious children on the altar of convenience?  What kind of punishment would be large enough to fit such a monstrous crime?  I hope that you will share what you think by posting a comment at the end of this article.  Sadly, most Americans don’t even think much about abortion these days.  Most Americans consider it to be a “political issue” that has already been “settled”.  But of course that is what most Germans thought about the treatment of the Jews during World War II as well.  And the truth is that the percentage of Americans that consider themselves to be “pro-choice” has been declining over time.  Perhaps it is still possible to see a shift on this issue in the United States.  We just need more people to start standing up for those that cannot stand up for themselves.  The following are 26 facts about abortion in America that every American should know…

#1 There have been more than 56 million abortions performed in the United States since Roe v. Wade was decided back in 1973.

#2 There have been well over a billion abortions performed around the world since 1980.

#3 When you total up all forms of abortion, including those caused by the abortion drug RU 486, the grand total comes to more than a million abortions performed in the United States every single year.

#4 Approximately 47 percent of the women that get an abortion each year in the United States have also had a previous abortion.

#5 The number of American babies killed by abortion each year is roughly equal to the number of U.S. military deaths that have occurred in all of the wars that the United States has ever been involved in combined.

#6 About one-third of all American women will have had an abortion by the age of 45.

#7 Approximately 3,000 Americans lost their lives as a result of the destruction of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11Every single day, more than 3,000 American babies are killed by abortion when you include all forms of abortion.

#8 The United States has the highest abortion rate in the western world.

#9 It has been reported that a staggering 41 percent of all New York City pregnancies end in abortion.

#10 Most women that get abortions in the United States claim to be Christian.  Protestant women get 42 percent of all abortions and Catholic women get 27 percent of all abortions.

#11 According to Pastor Clenard Childress, approximately 52 percent of all African-American pregnancies now end in abortion.

#12 About 18 percent of all abortions in the United States each year are performed on teenagers.

#13 One very shocking study found that 86 percent of all abortions are done for the sake of convenience.

#14 At 8 weeks or older, an unborn baby feels very real physical pain during an abortion.

#15 According to the Guttmacher Institute, the average cost of a first trimester abortion at the ten week mark is $451.

#16 The average cost of a vaginal birth with no complications in the United States is now over $9,000.

#17 A Department of Homeland Security report that was released in January 2012 says that if you are “anti-abortion”, you are a potential terrorist.  Unfortunately, there have also been other government reports that have also identified “anti-abortion” protesters as potential threats to national security.

#18 A while back, one Philadelphia abortionist was charged with killing seven babies that were born alive, but witnesses claim that he actually slaughtered hundreds “of living, breathing newborn children by severing their spinal cords or slitting their necks.”

#19 Some abortion clinics have been caught selling aborted baby parts to medical researchers.

#20 Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger once said the following…

“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

#21 In a 1922 book entitled “Woman, Morality, and Birth Control”, Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger wrote the following…

“Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”

#22 Planned Parenthood performs more than 300,000 abortions every single year.

#23 Planned Parenthood specifically targets the poor.  A staggering 72 percent of Planned Parenthood’s “customers” have incomes that are either equal to or beneath 150 percent of the federal poverty level.  And most of those “customers” live in minority neighborhoods.

#24 There are 30 Planned Parenthood executives that make more than $200,000 a year.  A few of them actually make more than $300,000 a year.

#25 Planned Parenthood receives hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government every single year.

#26 The following is a description of the five steps involved in a partial birth abortion

1) Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby’s legs with forceps.

2) The baby’s leg is pulled out into the birth canal.

3) The abortionist delivers the baby’s entire body, except for the head.

4) The abortionist jams scissors into the baby’s skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the skull.

5) The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child’s brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.

Are you disgusted yet?

You should be.

It would be one thing if our nation had already repented for this tremendous slaughter and was looking back in horror on this great holocaust.

But that is not the case at all.  In fact, most of the country seems totally unconcerned about it.  Only a very small minority of Americans are troubled enough by abortion to do anything about it.

If we continue down this road as a nation, it is inevitable that we will end up paying a very great price.

And from time to time, it seems like we get a reminder that “someone up there” is not too pleased with us.

For example, on Sunday a “sewage pipe break” spewed black sewage all over the red carpet at the Golden Globe awards in Hollywood.

What do you think the odds are of such a thing happening at that specific moment by chance?

Was “someone up there” sending us a not too subtle message about what He thinks about our behavior?

Please feel free to share what you think by posting a comment below…

Baby 2014

  • djc

    The US has been committing suicide since the 1970’s and the really shocking thing is the US Supreme Court jammed this down out throats despite widespread disgust with abortion. If anyone doubts this was engineered from the elites read the account of how the case began by Norma McCorvey (Roe).

    McCorvey realized she had been used by the pro-aborts and later converted to Catholicism.

    I’ve often said that abortion is really the main sacrament of the secular humanist elite.

    • Gay Veteran

      yeah, nothing like having yet more unwanted children around

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        I thought you said they weren’t people.

      • Wayne Chipman

        You are sick in more ways than one you vile filthy freak.

        • Gay Veteran

          thanks for contributing to the discussion.
          not

  • otter1111

    I’m glad you have the courage to post some of the topics you cover, Michael. Abortion truly is evil.

    “It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”


    Mother Teresa

  • Tatiana Covington

    Countries do nothing. Persons do everything, and individually of each one’s volition. It is none of my business.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Is it your business if someone else kills your child?

      • Tatiana Covington

        I have none yet, for which I am very grateful. Nor do I expect to have any before 2100 or so.

        Now my father died in 1959, my mother died in 1998, and I was born a singleton in 1947.

        However, I seriously expect to have siblings in the 22nd or 23rd century… work it out how I might do that. One word: cryonics. One more word: advanced cloning.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Umkay. /backing out of room slowly, getting tazer out pocket, not looking the loon in the eye, running to Dr calling for the straight jacket and padded cell.

          Seriously tho, is that how crazy people avoid answering questions that are bound to show them they’re crazy?

          • Tatiana Covington

            I suggest that you track all the research and development going on these days. Biology will make more progress in the next 6 years or so, than it has in the last ten thousand.

            Cloning is already an accomplished fact for large mammals, primates included (monkeys). Genetic engineering and the repair/replacement of defective genes are already in the labs. Cryonics too is progressing reasonably quickly. I suggest again that you follow science, not faith.

            I actually have arranged to be frozen, should that be needed someday. As for aging, recent advances have already uncovered much of its causes, and I expect computational biology to understand it fully by 2030 at the outside.

            From then on it’ll be just a problem in chemical engineering.

            It’s 2014… catch up to reality.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            regardless of any science you can cite, twas a nutbag answer to a simple question.

          • Tatiana Covington

            I suggest that you read the research, instead of just abreacting.

          • Wayne Chipman

            You are one of the most moronic people I have heard on the web.

          • Tatiana Covington

            Go pound sand.

          • Gay Veteran

            says the pot calling the kettle black

          • nickhz

            she might be a little crazy… but you believe in teachings of people who believed the earth was flat, that it would cure a wound if you spit on it, the bronze age was full of stupid people, but you choose to still follow their teachings to this day….

          • Wayne Chipman

            People today are dumber than in the bronze age, We have more information at our fingertips is why some like You think they are smarter.

            Study a bit if you are capable, the vast majority of people have always believed the Earth is a Sphere.

            The Silly idea of a spinning Earth only got off the ground because people did not have access to time lapse photography and were not completely informed of silly Science claims (Theories)

            Jesus healed People right and left, thousands of People followed Him around. Millions have been Killed for believing in Him.

            Abortion is done by the Individual only for the Thrill of Killing a Human. The Demons (They will play off as being Aliens) thrive on the Blood of Innocents..

          • Gay Veteran

            bilge

            “…the vast majority of people have always believed the Earth is a Sphere….”
            PROOF please

          • nickhz

            you are the dumbest person i have ever encountered…. this is the greatest thing i have ever heard. enjoy your life of ignorance. peace be with you…

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            WTF are you talking about? Flat Earth? Again, what you said prolly made sense to you. The rest of us…. not so much.

          • Gay Veteran

            but, but, but the Earth is 7000 years old

          • Wayne Chipman

            The Earth is a little over 6000 years old. All Science is funded by the Catholic Church and it’s subsidiaries, the Banksters.

            The Geological record was left by the Flood. Explain Please how Tree trucks can stand vertical through Millions of years of Geological layers according to false Science.

            Age of the Earth, Evolution and a silly spinning through the Universe Earth are all Theory.

            I have a Standing Reward of Ten Thousand dollars on the Internet for one Fact that the Earth Moves. No Takers and of course I expect none as it is all theory.

            Gays and Evolution believers go hand in hand. Marching themselves to Hell. No Man has excuse to deny God due to His Creation.

          • Gay Veteran

            pig ignorant. let me guess, you tithe also? bet the parasite priests love you

          • Wayne Chipman

            I do not tithe, but You are a Typical Vile Filthy Gay who will not answer any direct question and simply resort to 5 year old style of name calling. I would imagine that you would love to have the Priests all over you.

          • Gay Veteran

            and you are a typical vile bigot who makes the baby Jesus cry

          • Wayne Chipman

            Have You Noticed how this Imbecile runs in a Circle and will not answer any question put forward to it.

          • nickhz

            you are using science to prove a point now? science proves the imposibility of the bible…. you cant be both bud….

          • Wayne Chipman

            Malcom, not a one of these types can answer a straight forward question. All Creation testifies to God. Ask anyone including all the Scientists to name any single proof of one Kind Changing into a Different Kind. They cannot do it. They are not looking for a Missing Link, they are looking for untold Billions of missing Links that simply do not exist.

            They get a really dumb look on their face when confronted on this, then they mumble that it was sudden Mutation brought about by a different kind of Radiation. when confronted with the fact that radiation only kills or mutates in a degenerative way, they circle back to the Millions of years B.S.

            They have Minds that are less than those of little Children.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Definitely children.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, bacteria are evolving every day of the week

          • Wayne Chipman

            See how little your mind is, We all adapt.

            No Kind has ever evolved into another Kind.

            Try and Study for a Long time and when You can Understand Macro Evolution then come back and Join the Conversation.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh yes, and the Earth is only 7000 years old

          • Wayne Chipman

            All the Geologic layers were done in the great Flood, Study on how a Fossil is made before You say more and show people how uninformed You are. There are many Geologic layer supposedly Millions of years old with Tree trunks sticking upright through the layers. If You did not spend all your time sucking professors you might learn something.

          • Gay Veteran

            pig ignorant and got a potty mouth.
            guess Jesus rode a dinosaur

          • Wayne Chipman

            Enjoy Your sick Life while You have it, Believer shall be watching from the Sky while Your Kind is forced to bow to Jesus.

            I would imagine that with such little Minds and being Gay ( Kind of sick how your type ruins a word ) Your time burning to death in Hell might be short.

            Remember no Heterosexual Man has ever raped a Boy only Gays do that. And You sick things want to be Boy Scout leaders. Why do you not start your own Gay Scout groups. Oh I forgot You can only Recruit not reproduce.

          • nickhz

            ow many priests in the catholic church have raped little boys? these are gods teachers haha you dont make any sense, just tell me then… what about them.. you know it had happened… it had been proven beyond refute…. im sure you’ll ignore this post as well coward

          • Wayne Chipman

            Catholics are not Christian, they murder true Christians.

          • Gay Veteran

            and here’s Wayne, the anti-Catholic bigot.
            Figures, one type of bigotry usually leads to another

          • Gay Veteran

            Your bigotry is amazing, and I’m sure you think you’re a good Christian (though Jesus would condemn Pharisees like you).

            “…Remember no Heterosexual Man has ever raped a Boy only Gays do that….”

            Thy shalt not lie.

            Recruit? no, that’s what you “religious” whackos do

          • nickhz

            you are trying to dispute proven science? you are the idiot friend…. and im not gay, nor have i sucked any professors… i do however take actual findings and data over blind belief of a book written by people who thought the earth was flat… it’s time for you to evolve haha

          • Wayne Chipman

            Just exactly what proof do You have, a Lie repeated over and over does not make it true. Most everyone believed the Earth was round in Ancient times. Try studying true History, The Bible says the Earth is round and Motionless.

            Science claims of a moving Earth are theories and quite silly ones at that. Name One fact that the Earth Moves Please. And of course you will dodge this one Question as usual.

          • nickhz

            you dont think the earth revolves around the sun? are you serious? nobody is this stupid. i honestly am so shocked that i dont know what to say, but thank you, because you have given my entire office a good laugh today

          • Wayne Chipman

            Just like I figured You plainly dodge the Question.

            Name one Fact that We revolve around the Sun or Spin.

            My Friends would be laughing at how Childlike You are in dodging the Question.

          • Wayne Chipman

            I keep putting up a 10,000 dollar reward on the Internet for One Fact.

            No Takers, Just Imbecilic replies.

          • Gay Veteran

            the Earth doesn’t move? wow, you’ve gone full retard on us

          • Nogods

            Interesting concept. Are you the only one with this thought, or are there more of you.
            The Earth is a projectile hurtling at literally galactic speed through space. It will never, ever return to or be in the same place it was a second ago. This is not theory. Get a telescope and do some rudimentary telemetry mathematics.
            Why so fast you may ask?
            Well, firstly, we are obviously rotating on the axis of the poles, hence we get day and night as we turn to the Sun.
            Next, Earth orbits the Sun, taking one year to completely revolve around. Hence the seasons.
            Now the fun bit, where we start to go really fast.
            The Sun, is itself, a component of a galactic arm. This arm is rotating at enormous speed. It carries the Sun (and the Sun’s childs) along with it. This creates massive shifting through space. Astounding speeds.
            Then, the galactic arm is a component of the galaxy itself, which is also moving, at galactic speed. We could look beyond the galaxy, but let’s not bother for this exercise.
            By combining all of that telemetry it can be noted that Earth is moving quite very, very fast and can never return to the same location, ever, in all eternity.
            On a side note, this make time travel close to impossible, as the precise maths required to know exactly where Earth will be at a certain time/era is almost incalculable. From one second to the next, a time traveller could arrive on land, or in the outer atmosphere, or in the inner crust, just by a simple maths mistake.
            Good luck is the zero movement theory :)

        • birdie87

          Good luck with that plan…LOL

      • Gay Veteran

        killing an actual child is a crime

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          And if someone murders a pregnant woman, the suspect is always charged with 2 homicides. That seems to indicate that the law agrees, murdering an unborn child is murder whether viable or not.

          • Gay Veteran

            gee, then why isn’t a woman sent to jail for an abortion?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            see: duplicitous leftism and you feigning stupidity again. that’s old and tiring.
            For the same reason dolts like you will cite “SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE” when you see a cross on the side of the road and then yammer about gay marriage. Marriage being a biblical covenant defined in the bible.
            apparently we’re talking about a leftist double standard #345511213.

          • Gay Veteran

            now that you finished your rant, why isn’t a woman sent to jail for an abortion?
            marriage in the Bible? you mean all that polygamy? trading property for women?

          • nickhz

            or lot in soddom and gommorah giving up his daughters to be raped instead of the angels… this is how the bible treats children

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            See: non-sequitor.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwww, troll learning a new phrase

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You’re the one flaming the posted story. I’m pretty sure that makes you troll, moron.

          • Gay Veteran

            when it comes down to it, who owns you? You? Or the government?

          • Gay Veteran

            interesting that YOU never answer the question of who owns you? You? Or the government?

  • Tatiana Covington

    As for the pipe? The US infrastructure is wearing out, so this is no surprise. Then only things up there watching us are drones and spy satellites, and we were fool enough to put those there ourselves.

    It’s all our fault, not God’s (and he doesn’t exist anyhow).

    • DJohn1

      What is your definition of the word “God” and if God did exist then what do you think God would be?
      From my own impressions, we are talking about an entity that is capable of being in all times not just our moments in time. But that would mean a being capable of manipulating all time from its inception to when the energy runs down and time stops.
      I think the entire world is being set up and that becomes more obvious every day that passes. So I do not agree that it is all our fault.
      My own experience leads me to the conclusion that there are two kinds of events. Those that can be changed, and those that cannot be changed.
      The closest I have come to an answer to “What is God?” is that it is the living operating system that makes the Universe function.
      Again, we do not have adequate understanding. My first conclusion years ago was that when someone dies that is it. FInish. End of story.
      Then I ran across a pesty law of nature. A law of physics that states nothing is created or destroyed. It just changes form. Even that law is not a total truth.
      All through literature we run across a secondary universe overlapping our own called the spirit realm. The idea being instead of the life force dying it changes form.
      Many cultures have guessed as to what happens to the life force after the body dies. No one has a good answer to that question. We simply do not really know the answers.
      I believe such a sub-over-lapping universe does exist and ghosts are real. I also believe that God exists.
      I believe that there is more to it than we can possibly imagine. I choose to believe that giving myself to God and his son Jesus is the way to go. What exactly do you have to lose by doing so? If I am wrong then when we die that is it. If I am right, then I gain a form of eternal life.
      Giving myself over to Jesus means he is boss, not me. Being boss is not what it is cracked up to be.
      Jesus himself said that to be boss is to be a servant.
      But then I am a fairly happy individual. When I need help with a situation, I can turn it over to Jesus to help me solve that situation. Believe me when I say that is an option I am not willing to give up. So for me, I choose to believe.

      • nickhz

        you contradict yourself, but i guess if you are happy it doesnt matter… good for you

  • K

    What happens to such a Country. First off, no more Einsteins. Second skyrocketing levels of autism and other childhood maladies. Third a total loss of respect for Human life. Fourth 80% of the adult population being unable to deal with reality Last the Country turned into a shadow of its’ former self.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      You ever watch ‘Elementary’?

      There was a scene in one that really spoke to me. Sherlock is in an AA meeting and opens up about his super keen senses.

      “we live in an age of so much distraction, cacophony, and information..”. He wonders if he lived in a “quieter time,” would he be an addict?
      Tecehnology has done really wonderful things, but I think it’s also made people live in ways they weren’t meant to. Our senses are bombarded all.the.time.

      • K

        True, but all that technology has an off switch. There are many things that make the situation worse, but each individual still makes their own decision.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          C’mon. It’s almost impossible to exist in this country without technology in your face unless you really go off-grid. And almost none of us can really afford to do that. Even if you’re not immersed in media, things happen so damned fast it’s hard to keep up.

          I’m just saying, I think ‘Sherlock’ is right. A lot more of us would be able to ‘deal with reality’ if today’s life wasn’t so fast and crazy.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Hey believe me tho, I’m really feeling you on making those choices. I find myself desiring more and more each day to wildly change my life, and in my dream, that includes cutting out most of this poisonous society.

          • K

            Malcolm if you want it bad enough, you will find a way. I did. When I was working. I usually rented a remote cabin for a few weeks every year.. Now I am retired, I live in one year round.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ya. It’s somewhat difficult when I support my family with technology.
            Whatshisname over at survival blog is seeking an editor for the blog. I was thinking that would be cool. Too bad I’m not an editor.

          • K

            Yes I saw the editor job offer. I am also not an editor. I am no computer expert either. But I know of people who work for well known companies. Who seldom go into the office, they work remotely from home. The one change I have noted, is internet speed in remote locations. A decade ago all I could get at my place was dial-up. Today I have a 4MB DSL.I could be wrong, but is that not enough speed to work at home? In short something like the editors job, but more in the line of work you do..

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Ya, its good enough to work from home. I know those jobs are out there, but in my experience they tend not to last. Some manager gets all twitchy and decides to fire all the remote peeps and hire local.
            And I’m a software dev. It’s not like I cant do my job 100% remotely. *sigh* I’ll keep looking. :)

          • Hammerstrike

            Cabine in the woods?

  • Kim

    When God intervenes, we will know it. And he will intervene.

    Abortion topics and discussions make me uncomfortable. I don’t bury my head in the sand about such things, but eh are

    • Wayne Chipman

      Kim there is no Sickness any of Us can dream up that these Inbred Psychopaths and Demons have not already done. There is nothing New under the Sun, and People actually think that these I pad trinkets and such are something new.

      The Catholics run their Orphanages to supply Infants for Rape, Murder and Dinner. Our White House has been the Home of more Infant Murder than any other place on Earth.

      We all need to bring this up more and bring these Psychopaths out into the open to reveal them for what they are.

      Abortion is only done for the; Thrill of the Kill.

      • Gay Veteran

        oic, you’re an anti-Catholic bigot too

        • Wayne Chipman

          Catholics are Murdering Paedophiles. If that makes Me a Bigot, then I am Okay with being a Bigot.

          • Gay Veteran

            at least we agree you are a bigot

          • Wayne Chipman

            We can all also agree that You are a Vile, Filthy, Disgusting and Disease spreading lousy excuse for a Human. What about a Heterosexuals rights not to have to be put at risk due to Your kind spreading their Filth. To allow Your kind to Teach or serve Food is so wrong in so many ways.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh look, a new Klan recruit

  • Sandbagger

    He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to Me from the ground.
    Genesis 4:10

    From the very beginning with the first murder by Cain of his brother Able, God has said the blood of the murdered have a voice that cries out to Him. He cannot ignore that, and he doesn’t. Cain was cursed because of it.

    How can those who abort children think their child’s blood is mute?

    (I’m speaking specifically to the Protestant and Catholic women.)

    If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
    2 Chronicles 7:14

    Perhaps the reason our country is going down the tubes is because those who call themselves Christians are not acting like it.

    • Yagster

      Our day of reckoning is fast approaching. We were once a great nation because we were good. That is no longer the case

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      I love that quote from 2 Chronicles. We definitely need a lot more prayer in this nation.

      Michael

      • Gay Veteran

        no, we need people to get off their backsides and do something to improve this country

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          How dare you impose your religious views on others you fascist pervert.

          • nickhz

            you have been imposing your religious views this entire time…. you made it about religion… wow… you are blind

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            How many laws in this nation do you believe weren’t sourced from religion? Murder was. Theft was. So keep on yammering.
            I’m not blind, I’m just not for allowing the murder of children.

          • Gay Veteran

            really? we needed religion to have laws against murder? who knew

          • nickhz

            the founders of america were not religious. they were against organized religion. you are an idiot

          • Gay Veteran

            oic, off your meds again

      • 35wormhole

        prayers don’t work

  • Matt Dickinson

    Does it say in the Bible that abortion is wrong? In Judaism is is accepted in many circumstances.

    • Bad Kitty Cat

      I don’t know about Judaism today, but my understanding is that abortion was considered wrong in Roman times, and both Jews and Christians then considered life to begin at conception. From a Christian perspective, early Christian writings prohibit it. So… it has always been interpreted that way. And as a mother, I always sensed my unborn children as people. Incidentally, I know non-Christians who sensed that as well.

    • NowAlive

      I’m not sure where you get your information but the Jewish Old Testament law, arguably the foundation of Israel, requires stoning for someone who kills a child in utero. That seems to be a belief that killing an unborn baby is murder. See Exodus 21:22-25

      • Gay Veteran

        a simple google search shows there is no simple answer when it comes to the Old Testament and abortion.

        Exodus 21:22-25
        English Standard Version (ESV)
        22 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine.

        SO only a fine?

        • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

          That is only if the child is not harmed.

          Michael

          • Gay Veteran

            Is that your interpretation? Are there other interpretations? [of course we know the answer to that question]

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Actually, in the Torah the penalty for striking a pregnant woman and causing her to lose her child is death.

      Michael

      • nickhz

        now you are qouting the torah? i love it. genius.

  • Pastor Glenn

    Tatiana, you are going to be in for the shock of your eternal existence once you take your last breath on earth.

    You don’t have to believe it now, but you will later.

    Since you believe so much in science (no doubt), let me tell you a little story. I used to do statistical studies at a lab, once being a Research assistant. Now I’m a Lutheran Pastor. But I dare you to read on, Tatiana.

    There are 322 specific prophecies in the Old Testament about Jesus Christ and I would like to illuminate for you how many of these prophecies have already been fulfilled and documented in the New Testament of the Bible.

    If only 8 prophecies were fulfilled, the likelihood of that is 1 in 10 to the 17th power.

    One way to understand that huge number would be to imagine having over a quintillion chocolate chip cookies. That would be enough to cover both peninsulas of Michigan 2 ft deep in cookies. Then imagine we
    randomly take one chocolate chip cookie out and replace it with one without any chocolate chips and toss it back into the cookies – and stir everything up so nobody knows where that cookie is.
    Finally, we blindfold you and have you walk from Ironwood in the most westerly part of the Upper Peninsula to Liberty Corners just north of Toledo by any meandering route you wish, stopping just once to pick up a single cookie, which we don’t look at until you reach Toledo and remove the blindfold. The chances of you
    picking the chocolate chip free cookie is 1 in 10 to the 17th power.

    Its unthinkable, isn’t it, and yet its the same as just one person fulfilling 8 prophecies.

    But I want to inform you that Jesus didn’t fulfill just 8 prophecies in one lifetime. He fulfilled all 322 of them and in fact, 29 of them in one day. That is a fact! Do you get the picture?
    Pastor Glenn

    • Charlie

      “Tatiana, you are going to be in for the shock of your eternal existence once you take your last breath on earth.”

      The wicked glee evident in your post says everything I need to know about you. Your use of statistics shows a total lack of any mathematical ability or understanding. Absolute gibberish.

    • Gay Veteran

      bilge

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        so is pretty much every belief you hold as we can see on this very post.

        • Gay Veteran

          sorry if you are so slow witted that you can’t rebut my arguments

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Hasn’t happened yet.
            And yet, up and down this post I’ve asked you 5-10 times to answer that question.
            Why not kill homosexuals if you kill the unborn? You confirmed the unborn are people. I’m assuming you agree that homosexuals are people…

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Gomer, I repeatedly said you cannot kill PEOPLE

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            and out of the other side of your mouth, you recommend killing babies.

            I know that your leftist, perverted, idiotic sense of logic allows to ignore that an unborn baby is still a baby, but I don’t overlook that fact.
            And when the leftist fascist, eugenicists decide that you as a homosexual are no longer wanted and they talk about slaughtering you, don’t worry, I’ll be there to tell the Gary’s that you are people too.
            You know, you seem to recognize that world is coming up on some really dark times. At the moment, fascists (and worse) are leading that.
            The last time fascism lead the world into dark times, the Jews, the homos and the Catholics didn’t fare very well. To the thinking person, that should give a moment of pause.
            So yammer all you want, I wish you good luck. You WILL likely regret your stance on what’s what.
            There, I’ve said my peace.

          • Gay Veteran

            “and out of the other side of your mouth, you recommend killing babies….”
            you want to impose your religious views on everyone else using the power of the state, so who is the fascist here?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            0_o
            See above. And then when you spout the same idiotic thing again, see above. and then when you dodge and spout something equally idiotic. See above. Sad.
            God Bless you and your Southern Baptist home.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey junior, babies are living BREATHING creatures

          • Wayne Chipman

            These sick filthy vile homosexuals will never answer a straight forward question, as it is with all Atheists.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            It’s anyone on the left. You simply cannot ask ANY person of the left a question that forces them to examine their duplicitous hypocrisy.
            The gay clown is especially irritating.

          • Gay Veteran

            jeez, not going to answer the same question over and over just because you don’t like the answer

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, Wayne, quite a potty mouth

          • nickhz

            wow. you want to answer some straight forward questions? religious people dodge more questions that anything… you answer to everything is “faith” which really means “i dont need proof because i just believe whatever story was told to me as a child” horus the egyptian god was born 2500 years before jesus to a virgin on the 25th, had 12 apostels, was baptized by a man whos name directly translates to the same name a the man who baptized “jesus” he performed miracles, walked on water, cures the sick and the blind, was crucified and 2 woman days later announce that he had been ressurected. there are many more very similar fats between the two “sons of god” but the plain fact is that horus was 2500 years before jesus…. so is this a cooincidence? or are you going to dodge the facts and just hide behind your “faith”?

          • nickhz

            i love how i challenged you to answer one question yet you cant

          • Gay Veteran

            kill homosexuals? why don’t you ask your fundamentalist “Christian” buddies? they go to Africa and incite the locals to pass laws imposing the death penalty on Gays

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Very well said Pastor Glenn. :)

      Michael

    • nickhz

      you would have to believe that the things in the bible are true before you could believe anyting you are saying…. and you obviously believe… but you are a small minority worldwide and if you werent such a blind follower you would recognize that there is more proof against your completely absurd belief, read about horus who was born 2500 years before your jesus christ and then think about it…. oh im sure you will just say that it is a lie,… .even though it came way before your gods book. are you all blind believers on this site? are there any free thinkers here?

      • Pastor Glenn

        I’ve studied enough ancient history to know plenty, nick. Did you know that the Jews kept an ORAL record for thousands of years before writing it down, and that horus was a bastardized “borrowing”? Same as Islam is today. Horus didn’t last.

        Faith in the eternal God has lasted.

        Personally, my faith is secure. Good thing, wouldn’t you agree, since I teach people about it, being an ordained Pastor. Or would you rather I was a hypocrite, like the leftists and politicians? At least you’d have the right to complain at and about me then….

        Found this on Christianity Today;

        Number of Christians Worldwide:
        Christianity is ranked the largest religion in the world today. According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, in 2010 there were 2.18 billion Christians around the world, nearly a third of the global population.
        Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (2010)
        US adherents – 247 million in 2010
        UK adherents – 45 million in 2010

        • Gay Veteran

          so many christians and they all disagree with each other

        • nickhz

          the biggest religion today?
          wow you really are american and naive. why dont you try to source something that isnt from a christian site… or better yet. see the world and how little christianity is there

        • nickhz

          and about horus… his story is almost identical to that of jesus. how is that possible… i asked the question above to another poster…. read it and reply. c’mon i’d love to hear your reasoning, oh right religion and reasoning cant go together

    • Gay Veteran

      religion exists for two reasons:
      (1) man fears death
      (2) as a means of social control (obey the king or you’ll go to he*l)

  • Luis

    These filthy defilers of the flesh will get their comeuppance someday. There is going to be some serious hell to pay for this:

    “…the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of
    all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way….” Jude 14-15

  • Gay Veteran

    tell you what, the day ALL of you people who want to outlaw abortion actually adopt an unwanted baby, THAT’S the day you can outlaw abortion

    • BigAl D

      Do not realize that people have to go to China, Russia, Eastern Europe, etc, (at great expense) to adopt because we kill so many of our babies here. The place that should be the safest, a mothers womb, has become a death chamber. The person who is deciding to kill the child is the mother. Do you not see something so fundamentally wrong with this?

      • Gay Veteran

        I see something fundamentally wrong with YOU making the decision for the woman.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          So who are you to decide if I want to kill someone else? see: general homicide laws.

          • Gay Veteran

            you have a problem with “general homicide laws”?
            oh, let me guess, you think abortion kills a person and is thus homicide. If that is the case, then what is the penalty for the woman?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            See:Obtuse. I didn’t say that.

          • Gay Veteran

            but abortion is murder and the woman should be punished as an accessory to that crime

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            No, we should just outlaw women murdering their babies. under current eugenicist law, that’s somehow approved.

          • Gay Veteran

            but how long must women go to jail?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Where’d that goal post go?
            See: ex-post facto.

          • Gay Veteran

            oic, you don’t want to jail the person (i.e., the woman) who is primarily responsible for the abortion.
            guess you don’t think embryos are real people after all

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            There’s just no trying to talk sense to mouth breathers.
            You’re a muppet. You’re Gary’s younger, moron brother.

            I think at some point just how idiotic you are will come home to you.

          • Gay Veteran

            yeah, you had better quit while you’re behind

          • Gay Veteran

            if you want to criminalize abortion then the woman MUST be punished also, otherwise you place no value on the fetus

          • nickhz

            now you are all aout the “law”? if you are all about the law and not value of human life than you have no argument…. abortion is leagal…. so it’s either about the value of a life or it’s about the law…. choose

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            What you said prolly made sense to you.

      • Gay Veteran

        hmmmmmm, why are there so many foster homes if there are no kids available to adopt? oh, you meant no non-Black kids

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          And out of the other side of your Melissa Harris-Perry mouth, you’ll start calling Romney a racist holding up his black grandson.

          • Gay Veteran

            when you can’t argue the facts then just build a strawman

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Said the person that put words in someone elses mouth and attacked him for it.

            Here I’ll cite you asswipe.

            “oh, you meant no non-Black kids”

          • Gay Veteran

            well genius, explain why non-Blacks aren’t adopting all those Black children and instead are going to China

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I’m sorry, where would I get that reasoning without making it up out of thin air?
            Perhaps it has something to do with too many abortions in this country and people want a newborn.
            Perhaps it has something to do with the Chinese murdering mass numbers of babies for their population control schemes and the desire to save them.
            *shrug*
            Of course, asking that unanswerable question makes you correct in NOTHING you’ve stated.
            Now are you going to answer the question or not?

          • Gay Veteran

            hey junior, there are a LOT of unwanted CHILDREN in America, no need to go to freaking China to adopt

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            so you’re imposing your will on others?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh I am. You’re the one who using Capn America’s shield to deflect. You’re changing words and language and comin up with anything he can to Not answer the question.

          • Gay Veteran

            repeatedly answered your question, you just don’t like the answer.
            It boils down to this: who owns your body? You? Or the Government?

      • nickhz

        there are many adoptions available in america… more than there are in china… but like Gay Veteran hinted at it’s the race or where the children are coming from that makes people not want to adopt…. everyone want to help the children right… but not the little black inner city kids… you all fight and argue about an unborn child while you let your actual citizens get mistreated and killed in record numbers… so american

        • Gay Veteran

          yep, but the brain dead like Malcolm just don’t get it (or pretend not to)

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      That mind is the product of sick leftism.

      So, didja know the Nazis were against the gays every bit as much as they were into eugenics. Which is killing the unwanted. Which is what you’re supporting.

      So if it’s cool to kill children, why isn’t it cool to kill homos? How and where do you draw the line? Surely, you’re just as ‘unwanted’ to someone.

      • Gay Veteran

        uh, where did I say it was ok to kill unwanted people?

        oh that’s right, you confuse an embryo with an adult.

        “…How and where do you draw the line?”
        In regards to a fetus, when it can survive outside the womb.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          You did moron.
          no one mentioned either embryo or adult, we’re talking about people.

          Here’s YOUR quote that mentions both UNWANTED and a person (baby = person since you’re an utter idiot).

          “ALL of you people who want to outlaw abortion actually adopt an unwanted baby,”

          Now answer the question. Is it ok to kill homosexual people? Why not since YOUVE established and now I’ve confirmed that you think it’s ok to kill unwanted people.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, an embryo is not a person or a citizen.

            “…Now answer the question. Is it ok to kill homosexual people? Why not since YOUVE established and now I’ve confirmed that you think it’s ok to kill unwanted people.”

            The key word being PEOPLE, not embryos.

            And before you rant any further, how many unwanted PERSONS has YOU adopted?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Sorry, you’re lying. Emryos are early stage human people, nothing else.
            Now answer the question.

          • Gay Veteran

            “early stage human people”
            ROFLOL, you must work for the government.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Nah, I’ve been working on the railroad.
            Apparently you’re having conflicts with your own usage of terms.

          • Gay Veteran

            jeez, you become a baby immediately upon birth. too complicated for you?

    • Rastus

      I’d take them all! And I know many that would also. But governments and agency’s have injected themselves into every facet of the adoption process through excessive fees, red tape, inspections, etc. to the point that many will not even start the process due to the costs and oversight of the “baby sellers”. Just can’t afford the $10’s of thousands here or over seas to “purchase” these innocent human beings. So take your broad brush and go paint your glass house ignoramus!

      • Gay Veteran

        oh but Rastus the question is have YOU even adopted ONE?

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          irrelevant. Have you murdered someone? Then what gives you the right to bestow that right on others.

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, you want to use the power of the state to FORCE a woman to give birth and yet YOU are unwilling to adopt. Pharisee

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            No, once again I know you’re hard up on your understanding of sexual nature being a sexual deviant and all, but nature forces women to have babies when they get bizzy.
            Sorry, no having adopted a child does not mean I may not speak about your desire to murder them idiot.
            Of course, under your argument, your atheism should preclude you from citing the Bible and calling people Pharisees since you clearly don’t understand them.

          • Gay Veteran

            see Einstein, “nature” gives you an infection and it kills you, but with medicine you can avoid that. So no, nature does not force women to give birth.
            and I’m not an athesist, raised Southern Baptist.
            Once again, it is YOU who wants to use the power of the state to force women to give birth. But hey, no skin off your nose

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Yikes! How’s your perversion working out with your parents?

            No, I’m sorry uncle pervis, pregnancy and child birth are nature no matter how many times you kick and flail and come up with inappropriate comparisons.
            It’s nature.

            Now answer that question.

          • Gay Veteran

            actually your response has answered my question. You have not adopted because you are unwilling to take that burden upon yourself but are sooooo willing to impose it on others

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Yawn. I’ve imposed nothing on anyone unlike the progressive economy that takes so much of my money and I have hard enough time supporting the children I’ve produced.
            But please anytime you wanna answer the question.

          • Gay Veteran

            great, change the topic to “progressive economy”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I cited why I haven’t adopted a child. that was the question at hand, no?

            My 2nd son’s delivery was horrific to say the least and the Dr’s took my wife’s uterous in the process. I have two sons and would LOVE to have a baby girl.

            We stopped considering it a few years ago because we don’t think we could afford the $$$ for the GOVT nod.

            c’mon dude. Grow the F up and be an effeminate man at least.

          • Gay Veteran

            you certainly toss up a lot of excuses not to adopt. does that make you feel better when you try to impose your will on others?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Now answer mine.

          • Gay Veteran

            who owns your body? You? Or the Government?

      • nickhz

        so it’s ok for you to not adopt because of money but aborting a fetus ( not a child) is wrong to do so for money?

  • BigAl D

    As one touched by this issue, I wanted to post this comment. More than 20 years ago my girlfriend at the time got pregnant. She wanted an abortion and I went along with that. That decision haunts me to this day. Several years ago I got right with God through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and I know my sins are forgiven, but the pain of knowing I had a hand in the killing of my own child is devastating. I judge no one, but I know that this is not a victimless crime. A society that will not provide protection for the most innocent and vulnerable of its citizens is an immoral society. The rot and moral decay is everywhere in our country, and this world. This is one of the reasons I believe we are headed toward collapse and eventually tyrannical governance.

    I have to wonder if we are truly in the last days before Christ returns. The Scripture in 2 Timothy 3:1-6 says this “But know this, in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power.” I would say that describes our society quite well. People may deny belief in the God of the Bible, but he has an amazing knack for accuracy.

    Thank you Michael for these articles!!

    • Meranda Devan

      Thank you for having the courage to post a comment on this topic. We all have done something in our past we aren’t proud of. So much so, that if we could turn back time, we would. Through Gods eyes if we have hated another person in our hearts, Jesus calls that murder. JUst to say, that without him, every person who sins – according to the 10 commandments just once will find themselves in hell. Though when we have a personal relationship with Jesus Yeshua, he steps in and pays the consequences of our sins. Without him, we are all guilty. When we are forgiven, God forgets them. Even though you hurt, just remember when you get to heaven someday, you will have a child waiting for you. A precious child that you can embrace, love…

      Michah 7:19

      Who is a God like You, who pardons iniquity And passes over the
      rebellious act of the remnant of His possession? He does not retain His
      anger forever, Because He delights in unchanging love. 19He
      will again have compassion on us; He will tread our iniquities under
      foot. Yes, You will cast all their sins Into the depths of the sea.

      • BigAl D

        Thank you Meranda. Also, I like your use of Messiah’s true Hebrew name, Yeshua. Amen!

        • Michael Bartels

          If we are speaking english its Jesus, or as Moses was told, tell them the I Am sent you.

      • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

        Very well said Meranda. :)

        Michael

        • nickhz

          jesus? you people need to get off the cool aid…. grow up… cinderella is not real either, they are just fairy tales…. you tink that america is a christian country. jesus was a little arab running around the desert, if he even exsited at all. the founding fathers of america are quoted saying that christianity and the catholic church are the worst things that the country would ever endure. grow up children

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Very well said. And I think that is a very important addition to this article. Everyone who has been through anything like this needs to know that there is forgiveness available through the shed blood of our Messiah on the cross.

      We all need forgiveness, and the price for that forgiveness has already been paid…

      http://endoftheamericandream.com/the-most-important-thing

      Michael

    • Gay Veteran

      and pray how would this economy support yet more people?

      • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

        If our economy was based on sound principles and it was running justly, we could easily support twice as many people.

        And if we did have tens of millions more workers, perhaps the coming demographic tsunami and Social Security crisis would not be such a threat.

        Michael

        • Gay Veteran

          that’s an bizarare comment when the world is facing Peak Oil and problems with other resources (especially water)

          • Tatiana Covington

            Peak Oil has been proven false. The abiotic theory of oil’s origin (high-temperature, high-pressure, inorganic hydrocarbon chemistry) is true. There’s so much oil, it takes part in lubricating continental drift!

          • Gay Veteran

            headslap, you are a good example of why we are doomed. Yes, there is plenty of oil but how much does it COST to extract?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You mean killing our young (which you support) isn’t a good example of how we’re doomed?

          • Gay Veteran

            if you think “our young” are sooooo important then why haven’t you adopted any? and what is “our young”? is that like Hillary’s village?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            yawn. Are you gonna keep citing that like it’s an excuse for murder.
            So since I haven’t adopted anyone, is it correct and lawful for me to kill you?

          • Gay Veteran

            no junior, you can’t kill people

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Oh, but…. You just said it was ok because there were so many unwanted babies.

          • Gay Veteran

            learn to read, I never said it was oki to kill unwanted babies.
            It’s amazing how you right-wingers bit*ch and moan about Big Gubment interfering in our lives and now you are advocating just that

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I know you think feigning stupidity is helping your argument, but to the adults in the room, you’re just making yourself sound stupid.

          • Gay Veteran

            well at least we know you’re not feigning

          • William Edward Lyons

            You can’t argue w/an idiot socialist. They WON’T listen to facts. That’s why the U.S. is where it is today.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Aint that the truth, brother. Especially that dolt.

          • Hammerstrike

            How much did it cost in 2004?

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            peak oil is a leftist global warming aided fantasy.

          • Gay Veteran

            righhhhht, that’s why oil is so cheap

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You mean, the progressive agenda that hasn’t allowed oil refineries to be built in this country in 30 years along with severe limits on drilling ISNT why oil and gas are so expensive?

          • Gay Veteran

            refineries have nothing to do with the price of oil

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            *cough* and gas.
            Oh, and I believe I mentioned something in there about drilling that you conveniently ignored.

          • Gay Veteran

            and I’m sure the oil companies are soooooooo concerned about the high price of gas.
            drilling? where? our national parks? off shore in 1000s of feet of water (what would be the cost per barrel of extracting that oil?)

          • Gay Veteran

            guess you didn’t know that Peak Oil has already happened in America, as predicted

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Nah. Peak progressivism. Notice the collapse all around us.

          • Hammerstrike

            Oil is abiotic in origin, it is not “fossil fuel”, it is created by chemistry within the Earth and not decaying animal/plant matter.

            The Soviet-Union have followed the abiotic oil theory in 1951, a massive study was engaged because it seemed after WW2 that the Soviet-Union would run out of oil in the near future.

            Today, over 60 years later, the Russian Federation is still an oil exporter, but that does not stop leftists from insisting that no oil company has ever successfully found a well using the theory, Green Piss still tried to sabotage Russian oil installations thought.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            Agreed.

            I’ve read a few stories where US wells, thought to have been expended, started producing oil again.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            No, we’re facing the progressive agenda of rationing ready energy for their fascist goals.

            BTW, 75% of the globe is covered in water and and that’s not changed in human history. Oh, and we do seem to possess desalinization technology.

          • Gay Veteran

            what “ready” energy???
            desalininzation? REQUIRES ENERGY

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            How about the Bakken oil fields? How about tar sands? How about offshore drilling? How about the keystone oil pipeline? How about frakking? How about sugar ethanol?
            Every one of them demonized as the devil himself by leftists.
            Do you expect everyone do all your work for you in real life too? All you seem to have going for you is that you breathe.
            Are you a useless eater? Hey you should look up George Bernard Shaw. He was a eugenicist (Like you) fond of the idea of making people justify their existence.

          • Gay Veteran

            and what are the extraction costs? not only in dollar terms but also in environmental costs.
            guess you never thought of that

          • squishee

            Water problems? Where is it going? Is there a drain valve at the bottom of the earth which someone left open and the water is leaking into outer space?

          • Gay Veteran

            hey squishee, try reading up on limited drinkable water resources

          • Tatiana Covington

            Develop fusion power!

          • squishee

            I do not have to girlie boy. There is plenty of water throughout the world so as to slake the thirst of every man, woman, and child on the planet.

          • Gay Veteran

            of course you don’t have to, you choose to remain ignorant,
            squish-head

          • nickhz

            are you on drugs? there is a real water shortage in the world (drinkable water ) do your homework

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        And this is how the eugenicists start their argument….
        So when they decide to murder homosexuals, so we can make room for others, you’re down with that right?

        • Gay Veteran

          nice strawman you built.
          at least some of us consider the real world consequences of our positions

          • CynicalGuy42

            You totally missed his point and did not even touch his “straw man.”

            If we can kill people to support the economy, where does it stop?

          • Gay Veteran

            uh, who is advocating killing people?

          • CynicalGuy42

            The abortion industry kills unborn children…

          • Gay Veteran

            uh, no

      • Michael Bartels

        all I have to say is Leviticus 18:22 or new Testament Romans 1 the whole chapter, judged by The Word.

        • nickhz

          and you are an intellectual? you aer quoting a fariy tale to win an argument….. there is nothing in that book that has any proof to back it up. stop arguing, you cant win against blind followers

          • Michael Bartels

            Everything in the Bible is true, you can not discerne is not my fault, but your own. You have ears to hear, but you do not hear, eyes to see but you do not see. Look around everything the Bible says is coming to pass, it will be as the days of Lot, you are defending someone who is a homosexual that is an abomination, just wait until judgement then we will see who is right. Repent and turn from your wicked ways and be baptized in Jesus name, and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Then you will see, you have scales on your eyes and ears. May you all come to know Jesus amen.

          • Gay Veteran

            you quote the bible like a parrot.
            and why did the bible get it wrong on slavery?

          • Michael Bartels

            i have read the entirety of the Bible and there is nothing the Bible got wrong including slavery, what do you call the united states, a prison with no walls is what I call it, there is more slavery in the world today then there was two hundred years ago, the only reason you do not want to believe what the Bible says, is according to The Word, you will go to hell for your actions, not my words Jesus words, repent and be baptized then tell me I am wrong, or keep living the way you are, as in the days of Lot, they all burned, all the cities of the plain, so will all the homosexuals. Jesus who is God already said so, not my judgements but Jesus judgement. You may not like what I say, but Jesus said it long before I did. Free will is what Jesus gave us you choose eternal flames and darkness, I choose rightousness.

          • Gay Veteran

            where does the bible call slavery an absolute evil that must be abolished?

          • Michael

            Galatians 3:28

            King James Version (KJV)

            28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

            Colossians 3:11

            King James Version (KJV)

            11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

            The main problem is if man is of the world he thinks of the world, if a man is of Jesus he thinks in the spirit, be not of the flesh but of the spirit then man can understand.

            Acts 2:37-39

            King James Version (KJV)

            37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

            38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

            39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as theLord our God shall call.

            verse 38 is the answer to being born of the spirit, if you have no faith this will be a hard concept for anyone.

          • Gay Veteran

            well you did a good job of parroting a bunch of bible verses.

            now where does the bible call slavery an absolute evil that must be abolished? because there was a whole lot of Southern slave owners that used the bible to justify slavery

          • Michael

            The Bible never says that slavery was going to be abolished, Jesus sees all and is in all, so he would never say that, people look at things to worldly and not spiritually, also slavery during the southern states was on the way to being abolished even before the civil was, Virginia already had made it illegal, as was just getting ready to institute the law, also the people that were brought over here to be slaves were sold by there own kings and there own people, the plantation owners were just the ones that bought these men which I think was wrong, talk to some southern cotton pickers white or black they were all treated the same, if you want to look at oppression through slavery what about today, more slavery in the world today then there was then, what are people doing about it now nothing, real oppression was on the Irish they were treated horribly, and the mass murdering of people look at the catholics and there inquisitions, killing Bible believing Jesus filled people, only because they lived by the Bible, the catholics and there concentration camps killed more people in horrific ways then any of the other, the catholic leaders came up with new tortures ways to kill people then there previous leader. So what are people doing today to curb the slavery problem?

          • Gay Veteran

            “The Bible never says that slavery was going to be abolished…”
            but the bible says you can’t eat shellfish, amazing

          • Michael

            That is the old covenant, if you read the new covenant you will get a better understanding,

            1 Timothy 4:3-5

            King James Version (KJV)

            3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

            4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

            5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

            Some things are hard to understand by the unbeliever, must be born of the spirit to understand.

          • Gay Veteran

            in other words only members would understand

          • Michael

            Jesus is the chief cornerstone, so you are right, repenting of sin and being baptized open the understanding to what Jesus is telling us, Jesus wrote in parables so only the elect would understand.

            Matthew 13:13-15

            King James Version (KJV)

            13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

            14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

            15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

            I just let The Word speak for Him Self, this is the answer to your question.

          • nickhz

            lot gave his daughters up to be raped so that the angels wouldnt… this is a man you want to use as an example?

          • nickhz

            so… you never have anything to say but bull**** religious nonsense? this is why america is a joke around the world

          • Michael

            You take the Light of the world out and darkness fills the void, that is why america is the joke of the world, the more the united states takes Jesus out the more violence and corruption there will be. The reason Lot did that is because he knew they would not touch his daughter, Jesus would protect them as Jesus did, people do not understand because all the like to do is commit sin, Jesus gave us free will choose a persons path, I choose the Light of this world and that is Jesus Christ.

            Proverbs 13:15

            King James Version (KJV)

            15 Good understanding giveth favour: but the way of transgressors is hard.

            Peace is with Jesus, with Jesus there is no peace, that is why the world is the way the world is.

          • nickhz

            all you do is give excuses to ignorance… he did that because he knew they wouldnt touch his daughter? you are a sick person, but to each his own. i wish i coulod go through life with ignorance like you… enjoy mate

          • Michael

            You call me a sick person because you cannot understand, I pity that comment, and hope that maybe one day you can repent. I have never said anything directly towards you personnally, but just give answers, but people attack me personally, as we can see the seperation between worldly, and spiritually living for Jesus, I pray that more people can read these comments, they will have a greater understanding of the battle Christians face in this day of persecution.

          • nickhz

            you are attacked because you have nothing to say except what comes from the bible…. think for yourself…. everytime you are asked a question you revert back to the bible…. and when you are asked a question about said religion or the practices of the people who preach it, you deflect…. it’s not personal, but you are defending a corrupt and dishonest religion. just my opinion. enjoy your day

          • Michael

            This is my last comment I feel sorry for all the people out there that do not realize the peace that they can get from The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, everyone on earth will see someday there own iniquity, free will is what Jesus gave us, I personally will side with Jesus.

            John 14:27

            King James Version (KJV)

            27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

            Philippians 2:10-11

            King James Version (KJV)

            10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

            11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

            Salvation

            Acts 2:37-39

            King James Version (KJV)

            37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

            38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

            39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as theLord our God shall call.

            Hope everyone can find Jesus and have a wonderful loving relationship with Jesus Christ.

          • Gay Veteran

            Joshua 10:13:
            “So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.”

            LIES

        • Gay Veteran

          hey Michael, you obey the REST of Leviticus or do you just cherry-pick which verses you like?

    • carol.geiger

      You will see your baby when you come to heaven, it is there waiting………

    • Jay Martin

      Right on BigAl!

  • djkosmic

    yes, i am disgusted, nauseated, and simply horrified by the reality and the consequences for all of us of such diabolic evil and have been for decades. my wife and I have two sons, now grown and thriving adults who have had the privilege and gift of life bestowed upon them by the Creator. it could have easily been otherwise in our prevailing culture of death where it is all too easy to opt for what you correctly call mere “convenience” in a society which is more and more oriented to instant gratification at the expense of individual and collective responsibility. the debt that we owe all the past generations that lived and suffered for our future lives is only equal to the promise we owe to the future in the gift of our own children.

  • Joseph

    Abort is murder no matter what any one thinks.

    • K

      Actually, it may be worse than murder. When asked why they are having an abortion? Most women answer they can not afford the child. So in some ways, this is a human sacrifice, on the alter of money. Through out History, any society taking part in Human sacrifice, has been destroyed.

  • Montana Man

    Abortion is a selfish and immoral lack of responsibility which permits a woman to willingly participate in the baby-making process, but then upon finding herself pregnant, chooses to kill this defenseless life inside of her. This is the lowest form of vile behavior, for it is the willful betrayal of a mother toward her own offspring. This is why it’s so disgusting and wickedly immoral.

  • Georgiaboy61

    It is but a very shot step from killing the unborn to “euthanizing” the elderly, “mercy killings” of severely handicapped infants, and other crimes. Peter Singer, the so-called ethicist, is on record as believing that it is desirable and should be permissible to kill severely retarded children up to a week after they are born. Euthanasia for the elderly is now common in Europe and is gaining a foothold in liberal states like Oregon.

  • Fogrum

    This nation will reap what it has sown in this very disturbing realm of wickedness, and for all the rest of its deeds. The mightiest nation in history will be brought to ruin in one day, just as God has promised in His account of the judgment of Babylon. Repent and turn back to God? That would be the answer, but people have no need of God because of their wealth, their positions, their possessions, and their idols on stages and screens. Be ready, for the time is short. In just one hour all this wealth will come to nothing. May God have mercy on us all.

  • William Rothschild

    The U.S. is the most murderous country in the world, either directly, or indirectly.

    • Sequoia

      The USSA is the most murderous country in the world and the biggest hypocrite nation. Also.we say to the world that it is bad how other countries treat their people and we are more cruel to our own people than they are.
      We are worse than Hitler and Stallin,because we have been killing more people than they did,by abortions,wars,denying people care,poisons ,etc…
      The majority of the people in Amerika,want to ignore the fact that we are the number one murderous country in the world.
      Anyone who participates in OBUMMERSCARE,the forced fascist insurance that we have to buy.are supporting more abortions and legal killings and will have the blood of these innocent people deaths on their hands.
      EVRYONE HAS TO BOYCOTT OBUMMERSCARE AND NOT BE PART OF IT.TO DEFEAT IT.

  • Jena Milo May

    Hard hitting. Certainly brought a tear to my eye. Women especially, are taught that it’s the ‘responsible’, ‘progressive’, ‘smart’…’choice’.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Thanks for sharing that. This great holocaust should bring tears to all of our eyes. What is happening to us?

      Michael

  • Tom

    I don’t know why so many people are so heavily against abortion. Yes, the process may be disgusting to think about, but really, it isn’t such a big loss if a tiny little ball of cells that’s only barely alive, with no identity, personality, or anything distinctive at all, dies. It’s not “murder” when the “precious” child is aborted in that extremely primitive form. If you kill a child that is properly alive in the womb (close to or ready to be born), or actually BORN, then yes, that’s a horrific, inhuman crime. But properly and efficiently aborting an unwanted, parasitical clump of cells that’s barely grown and therefore very far from actually being born is no loss. It’s disturbing to know that this many abortions have taken place, but it’s far from being a true crime, and it should be up to the to-be mother of the so-called “precious child” whether they want to go through the pregnancy or dispose of the parasite. I mean, is abortion is bad, then masturbation must be bad as well, but masturbation gets rid of sperm or ova, depending on your gender.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      You madam, are grossly misinformed and spouting off bull crap leftist talking points.
      We discovered it isn’t just a ball of cells looong ago. With today’s technology a fetus can be viable very early in the pregnancy.
      And aside from that absurd notion, the left fight for late term abortion and hypothesize about post birth abortion.
      And answer my post above to the gay guy.

    • birdie87

      I recently had a 12 week miscarriage. If it had been an abortion, that would be considered “early.” The baby that I birthed was fully formed and obviously identifiable as fully human. I remember thinking how solid and strong his tiny body felt, which fit into the palm of my hand. I could literally feel the tiny bones in his extremely tiny fingers. So, your claim of a human child as being nothing more than a “parasitical clump of cells” is both disturbingly coarse and unbelievably wrong. The point at which a baby is a “clump of cells” ends very quickly – before a woman even realizes she is pregnant. So much for your “loophole.”

      • Rebecca

        I am so sorry for your loss… :(

        • birdie87

          Thank you.

      • Gay Veteran

        sorry for your loss.
        if it was “fully formed” then it would be capable of living outside the womb.

        • birdie87

          What an ignorant thing to say. Fully formed is not the same as fully grown. You wouldn’t suggest a six-year old child is capable of holding down a job or living alone, would you? No, he’s not fully grown. But, that baby is not a clump of cells – it is fully formed – therefore it is fully human and fully deserving of life.

          • Gay Veteran

            sorry birdie but you don’t get to decide for everyone else

      • Andrew

        I’m embracing You & Your Child & Father with my prayers so You can sing again BIRDIE

    • squishee

      You must have “graduated” from a state-run ‘education” institution, comrade.

  • Tom

    Also, about the “somewhere up there is not too pleased with us” thing… goodness gracious, the truly childish delusion in that statement was almost funny. I can’t believe people still have the insanely primitive belief that there actually is a God out there somewhere who knows what everyone’s doing at every single moment and he’s going to punish us all for our sins. Religion is nothing more then the glorification of imaginary friends, and I’m glad that the number of believers in that brainless rubbish are dropping.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      And I cant believe there are people that suffer from the childish delusion that govt is there to take care of people, yet the left believes this pabulum even though it’s demonstrably false throughout history.

      • Gay Veteran

        oh yes, far better to outlaw abortion and bring yet more unwanted children into this world when the mother can’t support them in part because corporations have shipped millions of American jobs overseas. Genius, pure genius.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          versus left wing nutter notions like yours to keep killing millions of ours and then importing millions of the unskilled, uneducated from 3rd world countries that seem more fond of handouts than being American..

          Bigger genius.

          • Gay Veteran

            surprised you haven’t run out of straw to build your strawmen.
            last time I looked the 2 parties (2 sides of the same coin) were pretty happy with more and more foreigners coming into this country.

          • nickhz

            now you are also a racist? wow you are quite the christian arent you, so much hate… hate hate hate hate…. it’s amazing that you stand on this moral highground with so much hate in you…. you are an idiot

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            That’ll be news to my wife who is not of my race and is of that race we are talking about. Care to yammer like a moron more?

            Ya ya, I know what leftists mean by ‘hate’. It’s “that with which I disagree”. Ya, I wear it as a badge of honor.

          • nickhz

            you are talking about the milions of unskilled, uneducated people from 3rd world countries…. that is a rasict and biggoted thing to say… that all people from 3rd world countries are unskilled and uneducated.

          • Gay Veteran

            strawmen, strawmen, and yet more strawmen

    • birdie87

      Boy, are you in for a rude awakening.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Tom:

      Christianity is actually a fact-based and evidence-based faith. If you have never looked into the evidence for Christianity, I would encourage you to do so.

      Michael

      • 65starship

        what evidence?. what facts?. bible crap christian delusions?. and proving the bible with the bible is circular reasoning and thus invalid

      • nickhz

        hahahahahaahahahaahahahahaahahahahhahahahahah i literally laughed out loud in my offoce… you are the dumbest of the dumb boy… fact based? the only proof you hae is a book written by second and third hand winesses hundreds of years after the fact,,, DO YOUR HOMEWORK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • nickhz

        i love how you avoid anything that is a challenge haha, coward

  • Michael Rizer

    god should take America down the same rood he took Sodom and Gomorrah.

    • birdie87

      He will, and the entire world with it.

  • Chris

    God will judge the evil subhumans who are responsible for the genocide that has been happening in our own backyard for 4 decades now.

  • birdie87

    ” What kind of punishment would be large enough to fit such a monstrous crime?” The kind of punishment God is bringing very soon. He is going to burn this whole thing to the ground and send everyone who deserves it straight to hell for this sin that cries out to Heaven for His vengeance.

    • Gay Veteran

      really? sure is taking his time

      • nickhz

        haha. if they say he is coming everyday, maybe one day something bad will happen and they will all be right…. he is coming? when? and why didnt he come during the holocaust or all of the atrocoties in africa and the rest of the world through history? idiots

  • Tatiana Covington

    So I clicked the “billion abortions” link above, and saw the estimate of ca. 17M black babies aborted in the US since Roe v. Wade.

    That few? I’d have guessed it to be ca. 30M, since I’ve heard that US blacks have 4 times their per capita share of abortions.

  • Katalina

    What is important to remember that it is actually Contraception that has led to this abortion Holocaust. Pope Paul VI warned us that this contraceptive mentality would lard to all respect for human life in general. Pope also said women would end up being objects and morals would lower.

    • Gay Veteran

      when the pope is ready to provide support for ALL those unwanted children, THEN he can lecture us

      • nickhz

        and when he stops hiding pedophiles in the church. the pope wants more children so his priests will have more to play with

  • William Edward Lyons

    I’m all for pro-choice. There are many ways to CHOOSE not to get pregnant BEFORE conception takes place. If these women weren’t too lazy to use birth control, or insist their partner use some form, they could save themselves the trouble of going through an abortion.

    • Gay Veteran

      ah, but many anti-abortionists also oppose contraceptives

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        Who outlawed contraception? who tried to pass that law?

        Who said that?

        • Gay Veteran

          you know there’s this little tool called Google, try using it

        • Gay Veteran

          try educating yourself:

          “Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965),is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Constitution protected a right to privacy. The case involved a Connecticut law that prohibited the use of contraceptives….”

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            You’re citing something from 1965 idiot. Who said that today?

            In 1965 Democrats were still wholesale oppressing blacks.
            Are you going to tell me that still holds today or is that a no?

            Or do you need to educate yourself?

          • Gay Veteran

            do you even read what you post?!?!?!?

            “Who outlawed contraception? who tried to pass that law?”

            and in 1966 those racist southern Democrats became racist southern Republicans.

            BTW, Southern Strategy:

            “…Though the “Solid South” had been a longtime Democratic Party stronghold due to the Democratic Party’s defense of slavery before the American Civil War and segregation for a century thereafter, many white Southern Democrats stopped supporting the party following the civil rights plank of the Democratic campaign in 1948 (triggering the Dixiecrats), the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, and desegregation.

            The strategy was first adopted under future Republican President Richard Nixon and Republican Senator Barry Goldwater in the late 1960s. The strategy was successful in winning 5 formerly Confederate states in both the 1964 and 1968 presidential elections. It contributed to the electoral realignment of some Southern states to the Republican Party, but at the expense of losing more than 90 percent of black voters to the Democratic Party….”

      • Anonymous

        Not to mention that contraception is not 100%.

    • MagenD

      Might I protest your use of the word “Lazy” in the context of Flagrant Irresponsibilty and Callous Indifferece?!
      Mudering children to avoid consequences has NAUGHT to do with “Laziness”!!! The proper term would have been: Selfishness/Psychopathology!!!

    • Andrew

      Are You familiar with the fact that use of pills immensely increase risk of prostate cancer – too much estrogen not only kills your partner but also pollutes water reservoirs causing feminization of males [from fishes through eagles to otters]?!

    • Anonymous

      Ah yes, it is all the women’s fault. Yet, in Song of Solomon it was the man that was strong and insisted they wait. Somehow, it is now only the woman’s responsibility?

      It is all the woman’s fault when men commit adultery, when men sleep around with everything female, and so on.

      • William Edward Lyons

        Ah, yes,Song of Solomon in a perfect world. Nothing was said about “it is all the women’s fault” in my post. A few minutes of responsibility can save a woman years of unwanted consequences.

  • piccadillybabe

    It’s a known fact/statistic that deaths are out numbering births in the US today. Many believe that it is due to the vaccination programs that have rendered our youth infertile. For many, the only hope of having children is IVF which is now being outlawed in many states. Another topic hotly debated are drugs that induce multiple births which many women resort to when they cannot conceive. These too are being restricted to most. The New World Order has shifted into high gear to achieve its goal of “zero population growth.” AB is really a very small issue when you consider what else is at play here. Just something else to think about besides the AB issue.

    • Gay Veteran

      we don’t have a problem with underpopulation

  • Gay Veteran

    an embryo is not a citizen

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Nice movement of the goal post pervert.

      • Gay Veteran

        can you read?

        Zechariah wrote:
        “Excellent point Malcolm! One of the duties of a righteous government is to protect the lives of all its citizens….”

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Can you stop deflecting.
          People born here are citizens and your implicit claim that women in droves are leaving the country to have their children is utter nonsense.
          Unless of course, you can cite for me the govt trying to deport fetuses.
          I’ll wait.

          • Gay Veteran

            wtf? when did I say that “women in droves are leaving the country to have their children”???

      • Gay Veteran

        geez, you don’t even know basic biology. many embryos are lost through miscarriages.
        once born THEN you are a citizen

  • Gay Veteran

    “….Taking a life is taking a life no matter how disgusting or insignificant that life may seem to those who want to extinguish it because of either economic convenience or nonconformity conform to their societal standards…..”

    ignoring those cases where the fetus has terrible birth defects. But hey, you’re the one who wants to force a woman to give birth

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      You have made that distinction nowhere else and leftists democrats NEVER make that distinction so you’re moving the goal post.
      essentially lying.

      • Gay Veteran

        what are you babbling about, liar

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Nice try. I’ve lied about nothing.
          You on the other hand…
          I’m pretty much babbling about you coming up with anything and everything you can throw into the air to not answer the question.
          Why is it not ok for us to kill homosexuals? YOU’VE established that it is ok to kill unwanted people.
          If a poll of the entire us asked Americans,
          “Do you consider homosexuals unwanted people”, and 50.1% said yes, would you support killing them?

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, I can’t cure intentional stupidity. An embryo is NOT a person.

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            And you are pretty stupid.

            Please cite how embryos are counted as people in homicides of pregnant mothers. You know, a homicide charge is for the killing of a person and when the suspect is charged with double homicide, that means 2 people.

            So, go ahead….

          • Gay Veteran

            gee, the laws are inconsistent, shocking

  • Gay Veteran

    this planet cannot support an unlimited amount of people

    • Seen2013

      Hence, why your body being owned by you is being slowly reigned in. There’s a book called ‘Killing Us Softly’ that actually advocates that this is good policy and should merely be transparent rather than covert.

      • Gay Veteran

        interesting

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      There’s another of them eugenicist mass slaughter opening arguments.

      • Gay Veteran

        oh yes, because I state a FACT that automatically leads to eugenicist mass murder.
        the stupid, it burns

  • monkeyweather

    That’s 20% of our current population – murdered at their most vulnerable and innocent.

  • May

    I don’t believe the majority of Americans are against abortion. If that were true, the phony war on women wouldn’t work. But the war on women canard does work for the democrats.

  • mleblanc138

    I tend not to think about it, because I’m keeping it in my pants until I find a wife. As such, I will not be actively contributing to any abortions.

  • ralbaii@aol.com

    I remember reading your column. Before I ever did read it one could see hussein obama’s rise to hitlerian dictatorial power after 2008. With this muslim communist in command the best is yet to come. Meanwhile the sheeple don’t show enough “physical” outrage to stop it.

  • P.F.

    YAHWEH will judge this murderous country in Righteous Judgement–the blood of the innocent will not go unjustified. america’s spiritual condition is Sodom and Gomorrah and we are in the Days of Noe. The only ray of light in this darkness is the truth that all of these innocent babies are in the MIGHTY ARMS OF YESHUA our PRECIOUS LORD instead of here on this corrupt planet diseased with virus’s that call themselves judges, politicians and human beings while allowing the murder of innocent unborn babies.

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    You mean we didn’t suffer a HORRIBLE war that ripped the country apart and killed around 600K people to end it?
    Who Knew!?

    Are you trying to utter the dumbest things you can?

  • Jason7189

    After reading the 5 step process, shadow box above and being saddened and disgusted, the only words that come to mind, is Lord Jesus Christ it’s time to come back. We need you.

    • Rebecca

      Yes, I totally agree with you! Reading that will make me hug my kids even more tomorrow!

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    Of course, Karl denninger is also cited as a devotee and backer of the Occutard movement.
    Yea, those two are utterly incompatible so I’m gonna go with, Karl’s a nutbag like you.

    • Gay Veteran

      man you are totally consistent, when you can’t rebut an argument you start with your name calling.
      At least Occupy had the guts to protest against TPTB, and I don’t mean protesting for a few hours and going back to the comforts of your home (like the tea party)

    • Gay Veteran

      have you ever read anything on Karl Denningers’s market-ticker? Of course not, you choose to remain ignorant.

  • carol.geiger

    What is wrong with only sleeping with someone you could marry if she gets pregnant? Sleeping around and then later heaving a loving husband and children is this the game? Presenting yourself like an taxi on which many had a ride? Your action your responsibility and not somebodies else, including fetus. Too many bigmouth coward females today.

  • Christine

    If every woman or girl who ever had an abortion were willing to express honestly how that decision has affected them and how they’ve coped emotionally and spiritually afterwards, even years later, I wonder just how much deep regret, anguish, guilt, depression, and sorrow would be released. 56 million abortions worth of sorrow. And countless tears, including the tears of God. Yet our Lord is willing to forgive through those tears. If any heart is so burdened with regret for having aborted their child, God Is willing to take that burden and heal your heart. It’s called forgiveness. Ask, and it shall be given you. What follows? Peace, restoration, renewal and joy. Freedom.

    • Andrew

      so true…. Exorcists keep warning that abortion is generational trap – if grandmother had it, the likelihood that her daughter or granddaughter would decide to kill her child rise dramatically.

      • Anonymous

        Perhaps it is because poverty is extremely hard to get out of?

    • michaelbme

      Abortion really brings out the kid in you.

      • Christine

        Sadly, yes.

      • nickhz

        haha

  • DJohn1

    Yes, abortion is about killing a baby, a child, and is an innocent victim of murder. Will those choosing that route be punished? Depends.
    Those that reform, repent, get Jesus in their lives, I think those people might escape punishment. It is not my place to judge. It is God’s jurisdiction to judge people one way or another.
    Rather I say let us get rid of the judges that approve of abortion. Let us get rid of the legislatures that support abortion. Let us get rid of the public political parties that by commission or are ignoring what is going on. Guess that takes in a whole lot of people making laws. Guess we might have to get rid of the whole Congress.
    That is done one vote at a time. Until then, as a people we do not have to tolerate abortion in our neighborhoods.
    The guilty party is us. We let it happen.
    The problem is what do you do with the children we save? Because both mothers and children are going to need our help if it is to work. And that is a part of the problem. Those children need good homes just like all children need good homes.
    Right now we are having trouble supporting decent people with jobs. I think we have a long way to go to resolve the abortion issue and the issue of providing jobs for our people to live.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…Right now we are having trouble supporting decent people with jobs. I think we have a long way to go to resolve the abortion issue and the issue of providing jobs for our people to live.”
      until you fix that “little” problem don’t inflict your religion on others

      • DJohn1

        The article itself expresses religious beliefs in a just God and the punishment for the crime of murdering children in the womb. There is a difference between a universal concept of right and wrong and a specific religious belief. The law cannot afford to be anything but neutral when it comes to the multiple belief systems in this country.
        You are right about one thing. We need support for jobs for people in this country.
        I have heard and I think these numbers are low that it takes approximately $48,000 to raise a child today from birth to adulthood.
        I personally think that the churches have failed to step in and make sure these unwanted children have a good home. The ones that have stepped in have enjoyed a prosperity the others lack. The Salvation Army comes to mind. Years ago they taught a good number of people how to play professional basketball in this town. Those same people made good. The guy that taught them just came back from New York. They donated 40 million dollars to his cause.

      • Anonymous

        If there are no jobs, why would women have babies that won’t be able to find jobs?

  • Fredly

    The punishments have already been handed down by these horrific, barbaric atrocities. It’s too late. Our economy will not be able to sustain a top-heavy aging populace at current birth rates in addition to the millions of babies that have been aborted including among the baby-boom generation. We are already seeing this starting. We are losing are culture rooted in this country’s values to preserve the dignity of all life as illustrated in our country’s founding, which has been passed down from generation to generation. At this point, the question is how do we rise back out of what is already coming in the following couple of decades , and how do we start again. That is of course if the rapture doesn’t happen between now and then. Which I think is very possible.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…We are losing are culture rooted in this country’s values to preserve the dignity of all life as illustrated in our country’s founding….”
      um, slavery? labor conditions before unions forced corporations to improve?

  • michaelbme

    At least abortion helps babies get to heaven faster.

    • Thomas

      LOL

  • Jen

    I did not read anything about the amaericans playing for God and kill there one by dead penalty! As long as you use this punishement instead of leaving the punishment to God you have little right to say so. I believe that God is love and Jesus has died for our sinns

  • Rene Girrard

    I wish God would bring us into judgment for this hideous murder.

  • Gay Veteran

    ever hear of Godwin’s Law?

  • Gay Veteran

    interesting that a totalitarian state would recognize a woman’s right to choose

    • Andrew

      it’s NOT about ‘recognizing’ – it’s attack on family bounds, fight against
      privacy, and Christian culture. Your sarcasm is out of place! You know NOTHING ’bout women’s plight under
      Reds regime – their working conditions, sparse housing, punishment for fashion, music, etc. Kremlin bosses could rape every woman the found attractive – read how their ‘elite’ made so many girls disappear, on rampant pedophilia against orphans, on artificially orchestrated hunger, humiliating (for female passengers) travel conditions , demonic torture (even pregnant) wives!, persecution of nuns and mothers of death young recruits forced into silence, draconian sentences even for joking, medical experiments without consent, and the list goes on and on…

      • Gay Veteran

        hey genius, I didn’t write a treatise on Soviet treatment of women, I was talking about abortion

  • Michael Shelton

    The wrath of God is already being manifested against this ungodly nation. Read Romans chapter 1.And the Lord of hosts has determined complete destruction upon this nation as well as all the nations of the earth. Read Isaiah 34:1-4.

  • Dimitrios Kirkos

    What the author doesn’t understand is that most people who support abortion are just realists. Raising a kid is a luxury for the rich nowadays. Of course it’s better to use contraception to not be in such a position in the first place

    • Anonymous

      Contraception can fail. So, people are expected to defy biological needs and enter into sainthood. I would like to know the income of every woman that has ever had an abortion. My guess would be that many are very poor and don’t want the same misery for a child.

  • Blitzkrieg

    Michael… I have been reading abortions have topped 53/55 million for over 5 years now. The stats have to be much higher than 55 million. My guestimate would be 65 – 70 million, and increasing exponentially due to the decay of morality and ease of access. It’s tough to find the real number, though, because everything is skewed or unaccounted for.

  • Jean-Claude

    For every aborted baby in America, one person will die in the next attack — it could be a nuclear attack from Mainland China sent from their Underground Great Wall or new fleet of ICBM-loaded attack subs. Or maybe there will be a Gamma Ray Burst from outer space, or the New Madrid Earthquake Fault will go off. However it happens, plan for about 50 million dead Americans.

    And it is not just the abortions — it’s experimenting on their tiny unborn bodies for “science.”

    • Gay Veteran

      and how many unwanted babies has Jean-Claude adopted?

  • Anonymous

    Yet, Margaret Sanger had children. Why did she think she deserved to have children but other people don’t? Why does she think herself so wise to determine whom should and should not have children?

    I think abortion is part of the plan to collapse the USA. Think of all of those babies that might have been raised with American ideas. I doubt there would be so many abortions in America if Americans could afford to have and raise their babies. Very few parents want to see their baby grow up to clean toilets for minimum wage for ungrateful jerks that think they are better than everyone else. Remember when a janitor made enough money to send their child to college? Perhaps if working class people still had those opportunities, abortions would be much lower. If someone can barely feed and clothe themselves, they might not want to have another mouth to feed. Imagine looking into the face of a hungry child and knowing you can’t feed them. I know, “Give them up for adoption.” In my opinion, that is almost like saying that only r. h people deserve to have and raise babies. Why are poor people expected to give their babies away? Also, why are Americans so poor now? How many American children are still waiting to be adopted? Is it better to turn a baby over to child services in America?

    • Anonymous

      Rich

    • Gay Veteran

      “… How many American children are still waiting to be adopted?….”

      a lot, get busy

  • michaelbme

    Abortion is no worse than a world wide flood.

    • informedchristians

      You’re are incorrectly trying to equate a national crime (sanctioned, methodical murder of children) with a punishment from a separate case. In the case resulting in the Flood, the global plaintiffs were presented with the charges (Gen. 6:5, 6:11-12), of which the Judge mercifully gave them a fixed probationary period of 120 years (Gen. 6:3) to correct, in addition the Judge sent them court counsel on how to amend their behavior (2 Peter 2:5) but they refused the Court warnings. Hence, at the end of their probationary period, the accused being found in gross violation of both the original crimes and also disregard of the court’s warnings, the sentence was handed out. It was not a surprise to either side.

      The world has also been clearly shown that abortion is murder, and that their blood cries out for justice (Gen. 4:10, Jon 1:14, Rev 6:10). The Judge will extend mercy for a probationary period, but He has already stated that He will not pardon the national and governmental condoning of such barbaric practices (II Kings 24:2). The victim’s cries for justice will be plead by their Father, who also happens to be the Judge. The crimes are obvious, numerous citations given in Scripture, and even many counselors today plead for justice and mercy. Any righteous judge must eventually give way to the evidence and cries for justice.

      Likewise, in our case as well, Scripture clearly lays out the legal frameworks and judicial proceedings for us: “So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.” – Romans 14:12. One can chose to represent their selves, but that’s futile, for their own life will be used as evidence against them. Even the warnings presented here will be presented as evidence. The court has offered a mediator who can settle out of court: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (I Tim. 2:5-6, Eph. 2:9, Rom. 3:23); however, this must be done before court appearance. The mediator can either plead the case against you, or on your behalf; but once the court appearance is made, the decision is handed down by the Judge.

      “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” – John 3:16-19

      • Gay Veteran

        what, is god busy right now?

      • michaelbme

        Were these folks tried by a jury of their peers?

      • michaelbme

        How many unborn children died during that flood?

  • Gay Veteran

    my, my, must have hit a nerve.
    so do you agree with the fundamentalists that the Earth is only 7000 years old?

  • Jean-Claude

    Jean-Claude

  • Jean-Claude

    For every baby aborted in America, 1 American will die in a war with China (submarine launched ICBMs from their new fleet of subs) or perhaps a Gamma Ray Burst or some other catastrophe.

    • michaelbme

      Says who?

  • Gay Veteran

    Godwin’s Law

  • jim_robert

    I tremble for
    my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”
    –Thomas Jefferson (1774). (And so much for that stupid deist Jefferson schtict, as if God is just a watchmaker that went away, He has no justice to actively dispense)

    • sarah

      What if you are wrong?

  • nickhz

    people like you should be put down.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      That’s what I thought.

      LOL, your leftist love and tolerance is showing.
      Come and take it bitch.

      • nickhz

        wow… you internet tough guys…. i wont say anything else to you because i am terrified of your manliness, you could tear me apart within seconds with your keyboard talk…. i can barely type due to the shaking of my hands…. haha…. this is the only thing about the internet that really frustrates me…. people like you wouldnt last a minute in the real world talking like this… good day to you, tough guy, haha

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Oh loving and tolerant liberal that said I need to be put down.

          You still didn’t answer. Were you leftists putting me and my kind down with gas and ovens or do you have a different preferred method?

          I live in Salt Lake City. You wanna put me down, reply when you check into your hotel and I’ll reply with the address you can meet me at. Pack light.

  • Paul Folbrecht

    Nice article, Michael – it is good of you to draw attention to the horrific evil of abortion. Now, the next step is to recognize that artificial contraception and abortion are inextricably linked. Artificial contraception was always recognized as sinful in Christian Tradition (and Judaism before that), yet only the Catholic Church still maintains the Apostolic teaching.

  • firehammer

    I must admit, I couldn’t read all of this. To me, it’s the most shameful part of our society. More than the usurpations of our power, more than the wars we’ve waged, it is the most ignored aspect of any commentary of us as a People.
    If I could only choose one reason as to why I would like to leave this country, this would be it. And I don’t pray nearly enough over it.

  • Ana

    killing innocent lives is wrong. Specially innocent babies that can not defend themselves. Stop playing God. There is one, Our Lord Jesus Christ. For that I am grateful.

  • Nettie

    Some of the comments here sickens me. How could anyone justify the murder of an unborn child because of “poverty”? I grew up poor and abused, beaten, neglected, and abandoned and now I am a successful adult with a family of my own. Since I was born into a poor dysfunctional family, does that mean I shouldn’t have been given a chance at life? Also who says that poverty is impossible to overcome?Anything can be overcome with hard work and perseverance. Finally to those who insist that poor people can’t afford their babies, that’s why we have charities and government welfare programs to help these people. Truly the love of money is the root of all evil…

  • billdeserthills

    I’m just glad all these abortions take place. Can anyone guess where all the public aid money was gonna come from to pay for all those kids??

  • Disqusted632

    Some say this is all part of the New World Order and making this country into a communist country. Just look what is going on every day in this country. Big government takeovers and all the spying and the 800 FEMA concentration camps, etc.

  • Kstamp101

    does anyone ever think about the future? the ramifications? As we americans get more and more into in to other peoples lives we want to control them we want to make laws that affect each of us. if allowed, I believe we americans would pass about 300 new laws every day until every person alive would be governed in every single aspect of their lives dependent on what the majority swayed to, than we would blame the government for becoming socialist or communist, which is exactly what you all are begging and praying for. Some things about our freedom should never be touched, for there would be dire irreversible consequences, I am a man and I believe that if each of us take too much caring notice of our fellow humans life, we will overburden ourselves in what restrictions and mandates should be imposed, we would become so miserable that you would wish to be aborted and me alike. Here is an example:
    Law, at the point of conception you are a U.S. citizen.
    Effect, Women are required by law to live extremely strict diet and exercise protocols along with continuous medical exams and mandated to follow all orders given by doctors regardless of price or consequence. All infractions may be convicted as a form of manslaughter, neglect, homicide, endangerment, or any form of murder.
    Effect 2, Women don’t like that men are excluded, so they equalize the Law to subject them to the same standards. Chaos should spark in either Effect.
    Conclusion, If we allow government to have any more authority in relation to our individual bodies we risk the expansion that will follow. You and I both know that when one law is made, it is used to create others, and something that started out for one intention becomes the tool for some power hungry exploiter to develop their fortune.
    Kstamp101
    p.s.
    The only difference between contraception and abortion is TIME. They both stop the same life from ever existing, its just at what point in time did it occur.

  • Deal With It 24/7

    An abortion is a human right, its their child and their life not yours.