What Is The Best U.S. State To Move To If You Want To Insulate Yourself From The Coming Economic Meltdown?

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Today, millions of American families are considering a move to another part of the country because of the growing economic problems that the United States is experiencing.  In the past, most Americans would normally just ride recessions out and would be able to safely assume that things would get back to “normal” sooner or later.  But for many Americans, this time just feels different.  Unemployment has never stayed this high for this long since the Great Depression.  Thousands of our factories and millions of our jobs have been shipped overseas, and many of our formerly great cities (such as Detroit) have been turned into deindustrialized wastelands.  The federal government and most state governments are essentially bankrupt and continue to get into more debt at an accelerating pace.  Meanwhile, Helicopter Ben Bernanke and his cohorts at the Federal Reserve have fired up the printing presses in a desperate attempt to revive the U.S. economy.  Many believe that by flooding the financial system with paper money that they are setting in motion a series of events which will eventually lead to the death of the dollar.  With so much wrong with our economy, is it any wonder why more Americans are deeply concerned about the state of the economy today than at any other time since World War II?


As the economy continues to crumble and as millions of Americans find it nearly impossible to find a good job, many of them have been wondering if things are any better in other parts of the country.  And without a doubt, some areas of the U.S. are complete and total disaster zones at this point.  For example, so many houses have been abandoned in Detroit that the mayor has proposed bulldozing one-fourth of the city.  In Las Vegas, it was estimated that approximately 65 percent of all homes with a mortgage were “underwater” at the height of the housing crash.  The number of people unemployed in the state of California is approximately equal to the populations of Nevada, New Hampshire and Vermont combined.

Unfortunately, there is every indication that the U.S. economy is going to get even worse.

So if the economy does collapse, where should people go?  What would be the best U.S. state to move to?

Well, in choosing a place to live, the following are some of the factors that you will want to consider….

#1 You Need To Make Money

Unless you are independently wealthy or you work for yourself, you are going to have to find a way to make money.  For most people, that means getting a job.  Unfortunately, jobs are only going to become harder and harder to get in the years ahead.  In fact, right now there are not a lot of areas in the U.S. where jobs are plentiful.  It has been said that there is some work up in Montana and in the Dakotas because of all the oil that has been found there, but other than that there are not a whole lot of bright spots out there.  Many Americans are trying to become independent and build their own businesses, but that is not always an easy thing to do either.

#2 Lower Housing Prices And A Lower Standard Of Living

Many Americans are packing up and moving from states that have a very high cost of living (such as New York or California) and are moving to areas where housing is cheaper and where it doesn’t take as much money to live.  After all, why pay half a million for a house when you can get the same house for $200,000 in another part of the country?  Many people are discovering that a lifestyle with fewer bills and a smaller monthly budget can be extremely liberating.

#3 Food And Water Independence

More Americans than ever are becoming concerned about food and water independence.  After all, if the U.S. economy does totally collapse someday, how will we all feed our families?  100 years ago, most Americans grew at least some of their own food.  Today, very few Americans do that.  Fortunately, a growing number of Americans have started to grow “survival gardens” and/or have started to store up emergency food supplies.  If the inflationary policies of the Federal Reserve do end up totally trashing the U.S. dollar, the food that you and your family have stored up will end up being a great investment.  In addition, in 2010 many Americans are looking for a place where it is possible to grow food and where water is plentiful when picking out a new area to move to.  Owning a fertile piece of land is going to be a great asset to have in the years to come.

#4 Community And Crime

If the U.S. economy does collapse, rioting and gang violence will turn many American cities into war zones.  Just remember what happened to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina hit.  That is a Sunday picnic compared to what could happen if the U.S. economy falls apart.  Many Americans can see what is coming and they are moving out of the big cities.  But wherever you move to, you will not be alone.  So do your research ahead of time.  Are you moving to an area where the people are friendly and helpful?  Will you have family and close friends in the region?  It is always good to have a support system around you – especially when times get hard.

#5 During Hard Times Weather Makes A Difference

During good times it is fairly easy to live just about anywhere, but if the economy falls apart the elements will become a bigger factor.  For example, if you plan to totally rely on the power company, do you really want to live some place where it gets down to 20 or 30 below on a regular basis?  What is your backup plan if basic services shut down for an extended period of time?  How will you provide power and heat for your family?  In addition, do you want to move some place incredibly hot if you can’t always count on having air conditioning?  The truth is that weather can make a huge difference in your lifestyle.  The desert or the mountains may sound appealing now, but when you are trying to grow food they may not seem so great then.

These are just a few of the things to take into account when choosing a new place to live.  There are certainly many others to think about as well.

But all of us should be starting to think about these things.  Now is the time to prepare – not later.  When the U.S. economy does collapse, millions of American families will be scrambling to come up with a plan, but by then it will be too late.

Unfortunately, we are already starting to see signs of inflation.  The price of gas has risen 6 cents a gallon over the past week, and a recent CNBC report detailed some of the shocking price increases that we have been seeing for agricultural commodities….

The Standard & Poor’s GSCI agricultural commodities index is up 25 percent for the year and 16 percent in the last quarter alone. Among the big gainers: cotton (90 percent for the year), coffee (45 percent) and Kansas wheat (31 percent). Sugar’s price has zoomed 26 percent in the fourth quarter, while corn, which is used to make so many other products, is up 20 percent for the year.

So what are some of the states that many Americans are choosing to move to?

Well, in no particular order, the following are some of the states that Americans have been moving to in an attempt to insulate themselves from the coming economic problems.  Please feel free to debate the pros and cons of these states (or make additional suggestions) in the comments section following the article….



*North Dakota

*South Dakota











*West Virginia





*New Hampshire

*Virginia (the mountains)

*North Carolina

So what do you think about this list?  Which state do you think is best for those Americans who are seeking to insulate themselves from the coming economic meltdown?

  • mondobeyondo

    Arizona, especially the northern part of the state. Stay away from Phoenix and Tucson, unless if you love 110 degree heat, or if you want to go through Katrina 2.0.

    But there’s plenty of space north of Phoenix where you can hunker down, grow some veggies, raise some cattle, and try to survive the crisis.

  • Suzanne

    You web link is toooooo long by 141 to tweet. You are doing your self a disservice there.

    Nice article. Why do you think that Alaska is a good place to move to wait it out. Not really an agricultural state? Not a lot of jobs. Just wondering why it was on the list.

  • A Dodgy Bloke

    Interesting you may want to stay away from Colorado, over the last several years we have had people from California move here in hordes. They are creating what they have fled from here we have just elected out own version of Moon Beam as Governor. Kansas, Nebraska, Montana the Dakotas are what I’m looking at. Some towns are offering free land if you settle there or open a business. I would think though any move and visit the place several times, let people get to know you if it’s a small town.

  • Mark

    I am so glad I moved to Canada 17 years ago.

  • S Barringer

    I notice that Michigan is not on the list. Most likely because they tax everyone to death here. If you’re not losing your home or business this month, you will be in the future. But, residents are wising up and saying no to new taxes, even for so-called “essential” services like police, which is not really essential if you have the sense to know how to defend yourself and what you have. Many counties and townships are saying no to paying for police departments, and they’re closing down.
    People are moving out of this state like crazy. I’m going to have to start tracking where they are moving to. This used to be the car capital of the world; now it’s just another ugly industrial wasteland. If enough people move out, this could be a good place to stay, if we can get the taxes lowered so anyone can afford to live here. Land is good and fertile. Rainfall is adequate. Back to the land. Get rid of the bureaucrats who bleed us to death and live high on our money.

  • Charles

    One might regret moving to those “safe states” in the event of a major earthquake or volcano eruption.

  • hardworker

    I am leery of the really conservative areas because the culture is not always favorable to sharing and community-mindedness, which will be survival values. I would favor being neither too remote nor too close to big cities. I think the best would be near the medium-sized towns in moderate-climate areas such as in Ohio, Tennessee, Indiana, Iowa, coastal California, New York State, Virginia, Maryland. Some of those big mid-western states have really extreme climates. I would try to avoid being very near to toxic waste sites, nuclear power plants, refineries, mines and the like. There are lots of wonderful places and people in this beautiful country, and lots of very inexpensive places. Starting businesses in local food production will probably work really well, more and more so as time goes on. This is not just growing things but also cooking, buying and selling, transporting things, making equipment –lots of jobs needing to be done.

  • VegasBob

    I’ve lived before in Vancouver, WA. It’s just across the Columbia River from Portland, OR. Washington state has no income tax. Oregon has no sales tax, and tax-free shopping in Portland is only a 10-15 minute drive from Vancouver.

    The cost of living is reasonable. You need a bit of heat for about 30 weeks a year, but it rarely freezes, so a decent fireplace would do just fine. And you rarely need air conditioning in the summer.

    All in all, it’s a pretty good place to ride out the coming economic collapse. I might be going back there myself.

  • George

    Rural South Carolina Upstate region.

    Especially retired fixed income folks.

  • jrpeacher

    southern west virginia is all forest and mountains. you can be totally on your own. I would get a generator and store gas, food and get a woodstove. but it is a beautiful area of the nation and unpopulated.

  • jmac

    I fled the Detroit area years ago and chose Southwest Missouri. The climate is substantially milder, the cost of housing and property taxes are less, and the intrusion of government is much less in many of the counties.
    There are jobs near the cities like Springfield and Joplin, but it depends on your training, experience, or education.
    Crime is somewhat less here as most of the residents have substantial amounts of firearms at home and are experienced at using them, I would be very cautious about kicking someone’s door in and causing a problem.

  • xroads

    If I could afford to leave Colorado I would. It has turned into California East. I came here 20 years ago to get ready for what is happening now. In the 90’s we had an influx of Californians that has ruined this state. I chose my property very carefully, water, ability to grow (with greenhouse), proximity to a decent sized city with good hospitals and shopping but far enough away so as to be in the country. My wife and I did everything right but failed to take in the changing political climate. Don’t make the same mistake we did.

  • Sheppard

    south Georgia and north Florida is an excellent area. Good gun laws, great agri. climate. Jobs stink now, but is conducive to starting your own business. living near Tallahassee, Jacksonville or a south Ga city is good. Most of the electricity is from ‘coop’s in the out lying areas.


    warning stay away from montana…

    the locals here and their kids prey upon the newfish here and their kids!

    how long you’ve lived here is BIG with the locals and the even post it in the paper!

    buy a gun if you move hee and let your neighbors know you have it!

    they will or their kids will harass you and rob you here… stay away from west glacier and columbia falls montana. WHITE TRASH! AND METH HEADS AND ALCOLHOLICS DUI’S!





  • I was raised up through the great depression, and we lived on a farm. I remember how people would come to our farm, looking for something eat and food their children. We never turned anyone away. They worked in the fields and helped to cultivate the land for food. Seldom did people have money, and you would be surprised how much a nickle could buy During the Great Depression, people mostly placed all differences to the side, and concentrated on how best to survive, and that is the necessity to do again. Strangely, government did more harm than help. The big cities had noting to offer. Actually, the populace worked their way up and out of the depression, but still life was hard. Actually, lots of people will not believe this, but it was the coming of the World war that made the big changes and actually ended the depression. but geez, I certain hope it don’t happen that way again, because with all the nukes and weapons of mass destruction. they not only my end a depression, but all the world.

  • Paul Moyer

    Don’t come to Alaska. Alaska bad place, stay out. Go anywhere but Alaska, Alaska has enough Locust People. Bad weather, you’ll freeze. Go to Florida.

  • Stray Cat

    I’m in mid Michigan with a decent job still, an acre to grow a garden and some chickens for eggs and meat. Most of the wife’s family and our church is here for support. We just had a HUGE turnaround in our state legislature and Governorship(an actual BUSINESSMAN!)

    (Barringer, I agree the tax revolt is in full swing here. We just had two tax increase proposals on our local ballots and they both got CRUSHED. I felt bad voting against one because I know two people who will be affected, but we just can’t afford it anymore. One local sheriff also got snarkey because voters turned down a millage increase and now the usual crap is being thrown out how no deputies will be around to help. I say, so what? They don’t stand around on your porch guarding you anyway.)

    So for now, with GOD’s help we won’t be going anywhere.

  • Rhea

    Peak oil should be a huge consideration along with the other items on your helpful list. You don’t want to isolate yourself, as barter with others will be super-important.

  • Rhea

    Suzanne: shorten the link at bitly. Then use that shortened link to post the article.

  • Aedan

    Maine? There are no jobs here. A great place to “bug out” to but remember it is very cold and snowy in the Winter. Gasoline and heating oil are approaching $3, taxes are high, the infrastructure is crumbling, the state deficit is one billion dollars, the Maine Dept of Transportation is 750 million in the hole.

  • El Pollo de Oro

    Instead of asking themselves what state they should move to, many people in this rotting, decaying, collapsing Third World nightmare called The Banana Republic of America (formerly the USA) are asking themselves what COUNTRY they should move to. I know many American expatriates in Western Europe who are glad they left the BRA and have no desire to move back, especially the ones who have health problems (the health care systems in France, Italy, Holland, Germany and Spain are far superior to the abomination that passes for a health care system in the BRA). But having spent a lot of time in Europe, I can tell you that those countries are very hard to get into if you’re an American–and immigration is probably going to become even more difficult in the European countries that are hurting the most economically.

    As for Latin America…..some Latin American banana republics are so dangerously crime-ridden that people with money can’t even go out in broad daylight without the fear of being kidnapped (the BRA, naturally, will head in that direction when the economy goes from bad to worse). But it’s important to remember that not all Latin American countries are banana republics. Por ejemplo, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay are very developed and very Europe-like and have much better infrastructures than, say, Bolivia or Guatemala. Buenos Aires, Montevideo and Santiago feel a lot like European cities.

    As for Canada….Montreal is a great city (especially if you speak French), although their winters are brutal. Canada’s biggest problem is that they have a very troubled, dysfunctional, collapsing Third World horror movie south of their border. Australia and New Zealand are possibilities. l love Aussies and Kiwis.

    There are numerous reasons to leave the BRA altogether, assuming one even has the means to leave. But the big question is WHERE. And when all hell breaks loose in the BRA, there will be major repercussions in other countries.

  • j stuart

    I think Alaska must be a great place since one guy really tried to tell everyone to stay away. LOL

    Same with Montana. LOL

    As for Colorado. It is part of Azatlan and worthless Californians will help speed the pace with their leftist politics. They need to be shipped back to Californicate.

    Go where the living is cheap, own a gun, and live like they did back before all the so called improvements helped civilize us. Let the parasites turn on each other as we slide into the pit.

  • caryn verell

    personally, things are not great anywhere but i choose to stay in good ole northeast mississippi. it is mostly rural and most folks have been living the hard times for years and years anyway…we know how to survive and we have had lots of practice at it. but my advice to those looking for a place to nest for awhile-keep looking pal-here, charity has to begin at home.

  • El Duderino

    There is no one state to move to. It’s less about geography and more about your skills, your resources, and friends and family in the area. I live in a distant suburb of Seattle, WA with plenty of family and friends in the area. I’ve prepared for any realistic future situation (natural and “man-made” disasters). I’d much rather be here than in some remote Inland NW or Midwest area where I don’t know anyone. I lived in a small town in the Cascade Mountains for a few years and it’s extremely clannish, my guess is most small towns that aren’t suburbs and have low population turnover are pretty much like that. There are plenty of horror stories of “free landers” not being welcomed by the locals.

    Stock up on food, gas (as much as is legal), water, supplies. Buy junk silver coins and non U.S. Mint silver and store securely (if it’s issued by the US Government, they can demand its return — confiscation). Buy firearms in your budget and get training in them. I got mine in the USMC but that’s a 4 year education that may not be an option for you. Develop skills that will be in demand if the economy goes bad — we are such a throwaway society that repair/maintenance skills immediately come to mind.

  • Danger

    Idaho is full of skinhead, methhead types who are VERY territorial. If you are not a native, you will get hurt.


    best place to move too…

    and I have travelled the usa…


    Locals are nice folks and clean! And the land is beautiful with plenty of game!

    Thats the place to be if you can afford it and it’s isolated enough that you don’t need to worry about polution or nuke fallout!

  • Al

    I think your best place to hunker down is a marina: You can up anchor when TSHTF. A good place to fish, and a natural mote (also most of the city zombies don’t know how to swim).

  • FLJohn

    Most definitely New Hamphsire.
    Live free or die.

  • I’m surprised no one has mentioned Rawles’ list of states:

    His looks close to yours.

  • I *just* wrote up a post on carving out a comfortable homestead for (probably) less than $5000:
    (Scroll to the bottom and look for cdevidal)

    You could (probably) do this anywhere in the world.

    I say (probably) because I haven’t experimented with any of this yet.

  • Note: Areas near Yellowstone would be deadly if the caldera goes supervolcano (maybe next year, maybe 1000 years). Be more than 600 miles from that thing.

  • RJ

    The value of virtually every commodity in the world is valued in US dollars, and when the US dollar loses value, EVERYTHING LOSES VALUE. The masterminds behind all this don’t care about money, or how one country does better than another country. They control the money and can make more.
    They want control.
    They want perpetual war for perpetual control of countries through debt. They want economic bubbles and crashes that impoverish the people.
    The design for America is that of a socialist welfare state, where everybody works for the government, either directly or indirectly. If you can’t move to Switzerland (first choice), my advice would be to move to a state that has minimal gun laws where a lot of people talk loudly about the Constitution and the Second Amendment.

    “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”
    Adolph Hitler
    Chancellor, Germany, 1933

    Canada has full gun registration, and tight restrictions on many weapons, so we can add this to the many reasons not to move to Canada; they are already under socialist control, and are a puppet to American and British banks and corporations.

    Make friends with your neighbors, and integrate yourself into the community so they know you’re good people. If you live in a big city, get out. And buy a gun.

    After the collapse, the shadow men behind the curtain might let things fester for a while before offering us world government to save us. The bankers need to break America’s will before they offer us all servitude, so things might get really bad and stay bad for months or years…to soften us up. To break us.

    Oh, and google “fallout map” before making a final decision. Far-off drums are beating for war in the Middle East, and the USA will answer if Israel cries for help. Carefully watch China and Russia. The conditions that lead to WWII are eerily similar to those that exist today, with a “Holy Crusades” theme mixed in.

    Buy a gun.

  • car mano

    Stay out of Wyoming! It is always windy and a bunch of crackheads! No jobs above minimum wage.

  • Paul Moyer

    Take advice of others and move to Seattle, Mississippi, Idaho or get a boat in Florida. But for God’s sake DON’T come to Alaska. I demand you remove Alaska from your list. Alaska cold, no light, no food, no nothing……..stay DOWN THERE! Especially if you are an Environmentalist, it is not what you see on Discovery Channel. You’ll just end up starving in old bus or eaten by a bear.

  • Comitatus

    I noticed that Texas was not on the list, although I can assure you that people have been moving here in droves (I am not a native).

    First the pluses: Moderate winters, lots of land at reasonable prices in the outlying areas, castle law state, lots of hunting, very open gun culture, people speak their minds without a lot of the double talk, some areas are good for growing large crops, people don’t put up with stupid.

    Then the minuses: Borders Mexico, a lot of wide open spaces, very hot summers, sparse water, little rainfall (the amounts vary), currently being invaded from the south by illegals and from the north, west and east by those who have lost their jobs in states with high taxes (read California, Michigan, New Mexico), takes time to learn to farm here (unusual soil properties), assasin bugs, coral, rattle and copperhead snakes, coyotes, mountain lions, poisonous spiders (you get used to them all over time)many areas very rocky and sparsely wooded.

  • Bob

    Another vote for Missouri. Plenty of farmland (only Texas has more individual farms), plenty of water, ancient Interstates (Missouri, Mississippi Rivers). Politics tend to be moderate but fiscally conservative. Guns (and people that know how to use them respectfully) are everywhere. Moderate climate… summers are hot, winters are cold…. but you can survive both fairly easily. Many rural homes still heat with wood (white oak).

    Saint Louis will regain world class status once peak oil rears its ugly head, like it was up until around 1920. STL was the 4th largest city in the US, and one of the largest and richest in the world over 100 years ago…. all before the automobile and the Oil Age. For those that want to live in a big city with a real future, STL is your best bet.

    Looking for a small town or a rural homestead? Look for towns and property within 10 miles (north or south) of the Missouri River. This area is culturally different than the Ozarks (in a good way)… mainly German descendants with strong work ethics and community ties. I would choose Hermann, Missouri as the top small town in the state. The local wine economy will likely boom in an economic depression, while many other places nationwide wither up and die.

  • DW

    Free survival/prep consulting, I work full time as a police officer so I’ve been averaging 5 to 6 consults a week, if I receive to many requests I may have to start a waiting list or turn some down. Info here; http://everything-survival.blogspot.com/

  • Ron

    i have lived all over the country, and was raised in Montana. I can assure you, the small towns are very clannish, detest Californians because of their arrogance and affinity for posted signs.

    Work is pretty much seasonal, the winters are cold and long, but you can get lost with no problem to hunker down. Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and Nevada are all suffering the same plight of Californians.

    Alaska, it takes a special person to live there, outside of anchorage.
    the Californians fit right in there in that piece of crap town..If you live in rural Alaska GET READY FOR MAJOR COLD, -30 TO -50 OR WORSE, Sshort growing seasons. June to Sept, the gardens cant be planted in the ground until like July, as the soil is to cold. The water coming from the well is 34 degrees.So hot houses are used and above ground gardens are quite common.

    Gas now is from 3.75 to 8 buks depending on where you are, other than anchorage. You have to heat 9 months out of the year usually. Bugs are plentiful, especially big ass black flies and mosquitos.

    Work is not all that great, but it is beautiful, but it is expensive also since everything is shipped in mostly.

    But hell, you can almost see Russia!

  • benjamin

    Low population areas far and away from any U.S city will do just fine. The average american drives on the bottom half of their gas tank. So in the event of a collapse, it is calculated that 75% of drivers only make it less than 150 miles before running out. Then they are on foot or lesser transportation methods are employed. At which point they are forced to do a Lewis and Clark. Can you imagine and over weight and technologically dependent america trying to walk to a distant area. I got news for ya. They don’t make it to the next town. Ever!

  • We live in southern Middle Tennessee (an hour south of Nashville, an hour south of Huntsville), and we love it here. We have our farm for sale so we can get a slightly bigger house for our growing family, and we have gotten lots of interest from people in Florida, Arizona, and the northeast. Unfortunately, most of them have to sell before they can buy, so we have not yet gotten a buyer. We are going to stay in this area because it has low taxes, small government, no zoning, no building codes, no wheel tax, and no emissions testing. We homeschool and have home births, and our neighbors leave us alone, unless we need help (and vice versa). The winters are short and mild, and the growing season is long. We heat with wood, and we can live without AC if we have to. Our place has lots of spring water and hardwoods. TN has no income tax, and we have just elected a Republican governor, gained Republican control of both houses of the legislature, have two Republican senators, and 7 out of 9 congressmen are now Republican. “35-acre retreat with 2 Homes”

  • zuke

    I moved to east Nebraska two years ago because of these concerns. Unemployment here is 4.5% but pay is lower. Corn is everywhere and with the ethenol plants will provide fuel. People are friendly and well armed. The Huskers have lost their way but you can’t have everything.

  • ednasilem

    I relocated from California to Alabama. It’s cheap to live here, state taxes are low, homeschooling and gun laws are favorable, the winters are mild, I’m into the zone 9 gardening climate, it rains, there’s tons of streams and groundwater, low population (even in the cities). They’re not too cliqueish, so outsiders get hired (a major problem when relocating to a small town). It’s not exciting culturally, but whatever.

  • Havok

    The problem with New Hampshire is that we are surrounded by Nanny-States. When TSHTF all those fools are gonna come crawling to us for help.

  • MountainHome

    I can only agree about Virginia being OK if in the mountains. I cannot see where any east/west coast state would be viable, because there are just too many people even if there are good places to live in the rural area.

  • Tom Jones

    Don’t go to Aussieland. It’s already way too American. And forget about New Zealand. Most of you are too fat, the other ones are better kept in the US to sort your country, we like a functioning America better than the current mess! :-)

    Please don’t come to Scandinavian Countries either. It’s too cold for most of you, you will never be able to own a gun and go hunting with the locals. Just sort your own mess out and we’ll come and visit with tourist monies again. That is after you remove your RIDICULOUS waiting lines at the border… soo avoiding your country right now.

  • Steven Yates

    I would have to concur with those who maintain that if the U.S. economy melts down completely, not a single state in the union will be safe, & that we’d all be best off thinking about becoming expats. A number of my associates have moved to Chile, built (or are building) new lives for themselves, & report that there is far more freedom there than there is here. I know of another group that has gone to Panama, with a similar narrative. Having been to Chile, I can testify that there is something for everyone there: Pacific ocean beaches (over 3,000 miles of coastline!); mountains for skiing; the cosmopolitan, big-city environment afforded by Santiago; or the smaller town environment in places like Osorno or Valdivia. The Chilean people, moreover, are friendlier than the majority of Americans. There are problems, of course; but then again, no place is going to be perfect. It’s a matter of degree. The problems here are already many times worse than in the most developed South American nations. With Chile, I see a potential future (I’d be there now if I didn’t have responsibility for the needs of an elderly parent in declining health). With the U.S. Empire, run from Rome on the Potomac’s Globalist Bankers Party masquerading as a contest between Democrats & Republicans, I see nothing ahead but trouble.

  • m

    There are other concerns.

    Washington State and 2 other states passed a law that says rain water belongs to the state.

    There are several states that store depleted uranium that is electricly water cooled. When the grid goes down, I fear for the people near that.

  • Wired Al

    Just a few comments:

    Herman and towns along the Missouri river are fine if you’re catholic. If not, you will never fit in with the power structure. Southern Missouri Ozarks are OK but the people are very narrow-minded. Not quite “Deliverance,” but close.

    Northern Arizona will be great until 2,000,000 ravening hoards move north to get out of the valley.

    Alaska where I live now is great if you’re grizzly Adams. If not, find some place easier.

  • Wolfscat

    Please stay away from Montana. Your out of stste Ideals are ruining our state at an alarming rate. Example (wolf activists, tree huggers, anti mining activists and the rest of you sensless idiots. We are doing fine and do not need you and your big money.

  • Kevinito

    Don’t think you can just up and move into a new community like you are buying an new car, particularly if you are doing it anticipating the approaching crisis. Nobody moves to the boondocks without an agenda, and we locals know it. Unless you were invited, don’t expect to be welcomed with open arms anywhere and don’t be surprised if you’re greeted with a certain degree of reluctance and suspicion. By moving now for this reason YOU ARE A REFUGEE AND YOU ARE AN INTERLOPER. In order to succeed in a new community, you must be willing and able to integrate which means you need to adopt the local customs and attitudes, not expect the locals to embrace or even tolerate those you brought with you. It’s our community and we like it the way it is. If what you brought with you from wherever came from is so fabulous you need to start imposing it on us, why did you leave in the first place and what exactly is the point of transplanting somewhere you don’t fit in?

  • john the coward

    Kalifornia here the state/county/city will tax u until
    the guvment will take your house for taxes. Gunlaws are
    insane, if LEOs see a gun LEOs will shoot u @ site.
    Try CWP weapon license, pay off to sherif is $14K plus,
    and when the sherif will want more$ & force you out.
    Taxes go up yearly, home prices down 30%,Sales taxesup.
    State Income taxes going up, got to pay for 25 THOUSAND
    ILLEGALS (MEXICANS) in University of kali.
    State charges usa citizens more $ than ILLEGALS. When food store out of FOOD, the riots will turn cannabils into saints. Guess LEOS will confiscate your registered guns, Katrina New Oleans style,find and take
    you guns. How do LEOs know which house has guns?
    Miltiia of one, no guns , no ammo. November 2010.

  • Derak

    Yep. Idaho is full to the brim w/ hostile provincials with absolutely no sense of fashion.
    Stay away. Too much snow.

  • I recommend folks take a close look of areas that will be downwind from melting down nuclear power plants. (If the grid goes down for an extended period of time, technically the plant’s reactors will probably be safe due to their shielding, but their un-protected used waste ponds won’t). I for one want several hundred miles between me and the nearest plant.

  • CountryTek

    Read this article with interest. The point of wanting to have close (real, true, dependable) friends or family (all the same adjectives apply) close-at-hand is good advice. I have to giggle at the Colorado Californication issue, as that same situation has been happening in Washington since the 70s. It’s true: Californios flee from the socialist hellhole they’ve created, then turn around and try to do the self same thing wherever they light. “Locust people” is a very good characterization.

    OK, enough of the whining. Let me talk about Washington (The state, not the District of Criminality.) Washington State has three major climatic regions: Coastal, Cascade and High Desert. Natives just refer to the “Wet (West) Side” and the “Dry (East) Side.” There are many micro-climates within those regions, but we can make generalizations. Since I’m a webfoot (Wet-sider), I’ll concentrate on the Coastal region. The river valleys tend to be warm, moist and fertile. An acre of garden will supply vegetables and soft fruits for a family of five easily. One acre will support a cow and her calf. You’ll need two for each horse. Other than river valleys, the soil in the coastal region can best be described as Glacial Till. It tends to be thin and rocky, so figure at least twice as much land to get similar results to the fertile river valleys. The higher you go, the thinner and rockier it gets. YMMV. One last word on the river valleys: The ideal situation is to have your homestead (house, barn, etc.) on one of the hillsides at the edge of the valley. A storm blowing in from Hawaii or the Bering Strait can dump inches of rain per hour, and the valleys here do flood regularly. Forget about the dikes – where they exist – it’s been 30-40 years since they’ve had any regular maintenance, and they are 70-90 years old. They blow out regularly and just get a slap-patch when the waters recede. You want to be up off the valley floors.

    It’s called “The Left Coast” for a reason. Pugetropolis (The urban cesspool comprised of Seattle, Tacoma, Bellevue, Redmond, Everett and their bedroom/feeder communities.) sets the political tone for the state. You’ll have to learn to deal with it and just be a voice from the wilderness if you are politically conservative and decide to move here. The estimated current population for the Puget Sound region is 4.5 Million people with expected growth of 2.5-3 million by 2020. This will be the source of “The Golden Horde” should things head South in a serious way. For the most part, these are monied liberals with a high sense of entitlement. You want to be well away from the anticipated routes of drift and have a low visibility profile. You can’t stock up enough ammunition to stop the horde when it comes. Locusts are a good analog, again. Due to the high number of boats in Pugetropolis, one of the main routes of drift will be Puget Sound itself, so beach houses will not make good retreat locations. They will be targets — just refer to the Legend of the Barefoot Bandit if you doubt me. The same holds true for the North coast and the Salish Sea.

    Do I need to tell you that this is a Nanny state? Like the Seattle liberals, the politicians all have a very elevated sense of entitlement. The voters have been in tax revolt status Since the bunny huggers have killed farming and fishing on the Wet side, the boom & bust cycle of the economy has become aggravated. If they succeed in killing the timber industry, it will only get worse. The Boeing Company has moved their headquarters out of Washington state, and has sworn that they will build no new production facitlies here, due to the antagonistic taxation and regulatory environments. Many smaller businesses have followed suit. I’m looking for them to drag the “Will the last person leaving Seattle please turn off the lights?” billboard out of mothballs soon. I can’t wait. We need to drain the cesspool.

    As for me, my people were pioneers out here. I have roots and don’t feel much like moving, but if it gets much pinker around here, I just might. Where will I go? Someplace I can breathe free.


  • Metalzman

    Having grown up in rural Montana; I agree with both Tekroanin and j stuart. Montana is a wonderful place to live if you are from there. Granted the winters getting down to -30 for months at a time can take some getting used to. Oh, and the roads don’t get maintained like you may be accustomed to so plan to replace your windshield every summer from gravel damage. And if you buy a piece of land with fishable water on it, don’t bother putting up a fence. The local kids will tear it down along the waters edge because Montana has a law called “sportsmans easement rights” that says that anyone may walk along your property to enjoy the fishing or hunting so long as they stay within ten feet of the high water line. You CAN NOT block people from access. I ran into this near Helena when I bought 5 acres with a stream running through it. People would walk through my landscaping to get at “the good fishing holes”. When I complained to the authorities I was told there was nothing I could do except not landscape near the stream. As I said, I grew up in Montana. My family has been there for generations and just moving across the county resulted in me being treated like an outsider. So, yes Montana is a great place but its also VERY hostile/distrustful of outsiders/new people. As for the advice about buying a gun and letting your neighbours know you’ve got it. LOL! So, if I was your neighbour I now now your scared of me and guess what? I’ve got guns too and I know how to use them!
    Well, that’s my two bits on that subject.
    Good luck to you all.
    Wherever your from and wherever you are going.

  • Country Tek is dead on correct! All true + has given me additional things to think about. Thanks for the comment.
    Pugetsound Consevative

  • Alaska

    Alaska..but only if yu are prepared. We have saved supplies and materials for over 5 years in preparation for starting this homestead.

    This is my ad on a prepper board looking for others to join us: http://djerriwarrh.com/?p=5158

  • Gonzalo

    I have a house in the mountains of North carolina. I recommend the Southern Appalachains. It doesn’t matter what the state is, and it doesn’t have to be in the mountains; the foothills are good if not better. There are plenty of creeks, streams and rivers, so, if worse comes worst, water should not be a problem. And if one picks the right spot, there is plenty of arable land even amongst the tallest peaks.

    Locals tend to stay to themselves. They tend to be old fashioned and narrowminded, don’t have much education and are not dependable. I needed some work done in my house, and I had to bring a man that does small jobs from one hundred miles away. Neighbors complain about poor services, even the ones that have been there for many years. So, if you go to one of those areas that are more isolated, make sure you bring some skills to do a lot of work yourselve or you have the gift of being a real charmer.

    I was in the Rocky Mountains back in the 90s, and I can assure you that the people there possess the same bad qualities to a greater degree, you will be have less water, the land will not be as productive, the weather much colder in the winter, and, if things don’t fall apart, the economy doesn’t generate as many reasonable jobs.

    Having lived in the Seattle area back in the 1970s, I find it to be much like the Southern Appalachians. Whatever you do, stay out of the big cities, the dry regions, the very hot and very cold.

  • I help people relocate offshore but if you want to stay in the United States please consider this message below as a friend of mine told me this:

    “I came across a very interesting article in a recent past issue of Without Borders the other day. It was a summary of the experience of one of their readers – on how he and his family have literally discovered a freedom
    haven right within the bounds of the US.

    He was talking about “… an area that is a temperate rain forest with moderate temperatures, a beautiful coastline, abundant natural resources, clean air, limited tax burden, and a high degree of personal freedom – rarely dropping below freezing or exceeding 80 degrees Fahrenheit.”

    I must admit to never really having heard of it, but he’s referring to a part of Alaska known as South East Alaska, or the “panhandle”. This describes the isthmus running down the side of Canada.

    Apparently, there is no state income tax,mostly no property tax, even a state dividend, very low crime rate, people who understand self-responsibility, cheap housing (how about $20,000 for home?), and abundant rainwater ….

    For those who feel their choices are limited – in the sense of moving to another country, this article made it quite clear that a great deal of individual freedom is possible there – not to mention the absence of statutory speed limits.

    If you’re in the USA and pining for an escape route that doesn’t involve you leaving the USA, then this could very well be a possibility. And apparently they have a much longer average lifespan up there also!

    Sorry, can’t post a link, as this article appears in a PDF doc – one to which I

  • Glen2Gs

    Glad that Texas is NOT on the list…But if you insist on coming here.
    From the East Coast, Move to Dallas,better it’s Northern Suburb, Plano…Yankees will feel right at home.(Texans consider Dallas to be A-Hole Central..)

    If you are from California…You MUST remain in the designated area… Austin, Our little bowl of Granola (what ain’t fruits and nuts is flakes) You WILL be right at Home.

    And if you are from Michigan…We had enough of YOU PEOPLE in the 80’s and 90’s, if you come here…(better yet DON’T) Keep your crappy attitude to yourself…We got sick of people telling us how we can’t do ANYTHING RIGHT…If things are SOOOO MUCH BETTER in Michigan…Why come to Texas? Oh, that’s right…NO JOBS

  • mike

    I live in Vermont. Unless you are of a Libertarian/Anarcho Capitalist persuasion. Please stay away! This state is hard to live in and requires a lot of self sufficiency. I like it that way and don’t really want to see any more whiney city dwellers move here that want to remake this into the New Jersey of the north.

  • Bill in WA

    It’s obvious the U.S. has been targeted by globalist elites to be taken down to near third world status. I live in western WA near Seattle and make the best of it – decent gun laws, no income tax. Over the past 2 years I’ve been hot and cold about the radical step of becoming an expat family. Until it looks like we can’t go on anymore I’m staying right here. Still, taxation is becoming very onerous. I now pay $706/month in property taxes (large view home) and when I study accounts of expats in Latin America soaking up the sun, exercising, growing amazing food, and paying $30/month property taxes, it is very tempting. America has become a very, very unhealthy place to live with adultered food/water and loads of uncertainty and stress. People here are self centered, rude and often quite hostile. Just drive I-5 between Tacoma and Seattle a few days a week and observe the underlying rage and sheer stupidity. I won’t even ride my bike anymore because people want to literally harm you with their vehicle for no particular reason (medication rage perhaps?). There’s some great people around, but greatly outnumbered by sheep and ‘me-first’ and shallow consumer types. This area will be a slaughterhouse if SHTF given the number of gangs, illegals and entitlement folks. Honesty, I wouldn’t rule out survival cannibalism should the worst case transpire. God help us all.

  • strayaway

    Add Minnesota to the list. Crime is low. Racial tensions aren’t likely to break out. Minnesota has water and food. It’s a relatively civil place. Government tends to be well managed. It’s people are educated.

  • Dave Redick

    first needs for site choice are; 1 fresh water
    2 moderate climate, 3 not near a major metro area 4 wood (or coal)for heating and cooking

    I like the area west of Reno, NV, near Truckee river (source is lake Tahoe, minimal pollution in river)

  • Interesting that Texas wasn’t on the list. The states listed won’t support many new jobs. They are just too small. Texas has historically fared well during Though economical times. Housing is reasonable and the cost of living tain’t so bad. There are lots of employment oportunitys still available. THere is fishing along the coast to feed a family in tough times. While this living in the smaller states listed probabaly are going to fare pretty well. I don’t believe there are going to be lots of jobs for immigrants in an economical downturn.

  • Steve Hanson

    You missed two states that have a lot of farmland and at one time a lot of family farms. I see that coming back but only if individual farmers can grow what they wish and sell to anyone they want to. The states that will survive without bloodshed will be the ones that start returning the freedoms they have taken away.
    Farmers should be able to sell non pasteurized whole milk to their neighbors without being fined or put in jail. This is only one tiny example of regulations that have weakened our country and now, in time of need, our ability to heal has been compromised.
    If the legislatures in the individual states don’t take action along these lines, well, they will be responsible for all the pain and suffering that come about.
    Liberty is the freedom to exercise out natural rights which have been violated by the fascist mentality of state legislatures and the businesses they are in bed with.
    It might be time to bring back tar-and-feathering.

  • MOST of the states on your list are have water challenges. While I DON’T want to see any more of you vagabonds moving to Wisconsin, I do think Wisconsin should be on the list for access to water alone. Yeah, it’s colder than a witches tit up here, but it’s relatively secure, very rural and wet! It served Al Capone well when he was hiding from the Feds.

    • FreeTexan

      Lot of nut case union idiots up there.

  • Leon

    Expatriate! If you don’t like where you are, then don’t think that the grass is greener over the next continental hill. The same government will still taunt you. Why would the corner of hell be any better than the center of it?
    Try South America – same name but different zone – and different Fed. Many of the countries have already gone through all of these things and have solved the dilemma – austerity couched in honesty. No TSA, no FDA, no CIA no phony unrealities.
    God help us!

    • Chile looks good. Very western civ with a good portion of English speaking population.

  • James M

    I like upstate New York right through VT, NH and Maine. Lake Champlain Valley is beautiful. There are lots of working farms and old non working farms that could be re-opened in a crisis. Vermont has the best gun laws in the country and NH is right behind them. Jobs are tough to find though.

  • Reddog

    Do not choose Arkansas. We choose Scott County Arkansas because of the low population (12,000 in entire county, large number of churchs 63 in county and beautiful scenery). Over 40% of the people here are on public assistance of one kind or another and the people are extremely clannish. There is a hugh drug problem here (people selling their pain medication and meth labs) the police have paid informants who continue to commit crimes while being paid by the county to inform on other people. There has not been any large drug bust or labs taken down in the eight years we have lived here. The only place to work in this county is Tyson which pays 9+ an hour. The sales tax in this county is 9.65% on non-food and 5.65% on food. Real estate taxes are increasing rapidly.
    Arkansas is a anti-business state, they do not want out of towners to come here and open businesses. Choose another state, the people here have not desire to improve themselves, life for their families or the future for their children.

    • clara


  • cdc

    Please, everyone, stop painting all Californians with the same broad brush! The vast majority of California, by geographical area, is rural and conservative, and the people living there are just as tired of the looniness in L.A. or S.F. as anyone in Montana or Alaska or anywhere else. The county I live in has many of the qualities attributed to other states: rural, sparsely populated, close-knit, independent-minded, suspicious of strangers, and armed. When TSHTF, I think it will matter less about what state you live in than what pocket of resistance you live in — and these can be just about anywhere.

    • GrammieOf11

      Yes, lots of good places in So CA except the gorilla in the room: We have no water. It comes from the north. We must have huge tanks on our property for emergencies.

  • You put the mountains of Virginia on the list but not the mountains of Texas? You know, Big Bend Country? What, too close to Mexico for you?

    You guys mention “cold weather” as a deterrent, and yet the top ten states you mention are among the COLDEST in the winter (and the spring and the fall), and some of them are prone to tornadoes (I can’t believe you put Oklahoma on here!)

    Tried to move to Idaho once with teaching job. One job I was turned down for (Kooskia) and the other job I turned down (Cor de Lane) because of its proximity to neo-Nazis and white supremists (aka FBI moles).

    Of course, one of the “jobs” folks can do up in most of your top ten is snow shoveling for six bucks an hour…

    Now, if folks here are REALLY looking for a place to escape collapse, come over to my website http://www.somethinghappeninghere.net

  • Californian

    We Californian’s suffer a lot of bashing – it’s well deserved. Please keep in mind, that we’re not all leftist/socialist/bleeding heart crybabies. Some of us would like to move and wouldn’t want to see our state’s policies follow us. Some of us love guns and low taxes and despise social safety nets. I look at my neighborhood and can count on one hand the number of us who actually work. Disability has become a career move here. Sad, really sad. Unfortunately, I’m not sure any place in Amerika is immune. The Republicans and Democrats are largely the same. Medicare and social security are going to bankrupt us and even those who claim to be conservative still support those programs. China is starting to look more libertarian than the good old usa…

  • kla

    Standard of living will go down.

    To a large extend, “material” standard of living.

    Lot more to it. People were more content (soul) in the Great Depression.

    Used to be normal for 4 generations of the same family to share the same house.

  • Sutton Sam

    Don’t even think about Alaska. Locals outside of Anchorage don’t like strangers moving in and Anchorage is like a little Seattle. When the Economy collapses Anchorage will be a hell hole.
    If you’re a hippy, environmentalist type……….you are/will be the least liked; many want to shoot you now.

    • Alaskan Guide

      Well said my friend. Besides, most southerners would freeze in the first winter without their modern conveniences

  • Paul

    I have news for folks wanting to be the last family on the lifeboats. You should have moved years ago! The last thing folks in these states want is an invasion of people with an entitlement mentality and no real life skills beyond pushing paper.

    The other problem is that ALL states have rotten governments and declining economies. Alaska and Wyoming have the highest percentage of pampered government “workers” in the country.

    You are better off staying in your own state where you have connections, and making a go of it there. Make incremental improvements in your survival situation rather than turning into refugees who nobody wants.

    I used to think freedom lovers should follow the free state movement and move to New Hampshire, Wyoming, Montana or Alaska, or other such states. A few did, but not enough. Freedom seems to be a low priority for most folks. Well, it’s too late for that any more. It’s time to hunker down and survive where you are. Get access to a decent garden, buy guns and ammo and storable food. And stop obeying stupid laws.

  • Norm

    It’s interesting that Alabama has a huge poverty
    problem and yet it’s homeownership rate is very high. So the policy winks try to get people to move out to other states and retrain for a higher tech /skilled job. They don’t move. Why? It’s not how much you earn but how you live. It’s better to be poor in a warm place where you can grow food & be w/ friends, than making six figures living in a crappy,
    chilly apartment surrounded by people you don’t share common interests with.

  • claire

    The grass is not always greener somewhere else. I tried moving to the VA mountains. Wonderful climate in the Shenandoah Valley but land is astronomical, even a trailer. All the ultra-rich from DC area fled there and lots of alphabet gov’t agencies. There are NO JOBS, period. Nada. It’s ‘Wally Mart’ culture. A bunch of fat, ignorant drunks with no skills. You can’t even get a car fixed. Rent and utilities are less than many places but state tax is high. Health care barely exists. It’s a mean, narrow-minded rabidly fundamentalist tribal culture that hates outsiders, especially Yankees. You may find yourself in danger, not only from the local cops, but your own neighbors. Believe me, no one will help you. I have lived many different places and also other countries, and VA is the meanest place I ever found. They are vengeful, sneaky and backstabbing, even with their own relatives. (I grew up in W.Va. Now, I see why they split off.) If you are a stranger, then they will gang up. I gave up after a few years and went back North where I still had friends and a support system–that is the most important thing. The South is still fighting the Civil War, or as I was immediately corrected, ‘The War of Northern Aggression.’ Too bad. I will never understand why such a beautiful place produced such an ugly, zenophobic culture.

  • You have to ask yourself why Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, and many others have refused to acknowledge and promote Tom Baugh’s book Starving The Monkeys when they know damn well it will cut the last anchor loose immediately!?!

  • Leaving AZ

    We are leaving Phoenix, AZ for a small town in Tennessee for myriad reasons – so I guess we are a validation of the article’s merit and premise.

  • Michael

    New Hampshire’s got my vote.

  • Mit Spanner

    Not all of Colorado is Californicated. Some areas have good growing climate, soil and decent neighbors. There are lots of jobs in the energy sector and clusters of millionaire homes near ski areas that always need care. And those folks will have money to pay caretakers and service folks no matter what.

  • Strider

    Having spent two years there while in the military, I recommend against Nebraska for three reasons: 1) most residents have a vocabulary of exactly three words — “Go Big Red!”; 2) very nasty winters; 3) income tax is a percentage of federal tax. So if the current rates expire and federal rates jump next year, state taxes will jump in tandem.

    I was somewhat surprised to not see Florida on the list. No income tax, mild winters, great beaches, excellent gun-rights and self-defense laws. Best of all, Charlie Crist is history! :-o Just avoid the SE corner where the “Condo Commies” have taken over, Orlando, Kissimmee/St. Cloud (Puerto Ricans have overrun those places) and Tallahassee (hordes of state bureaucrats and Marxist-indoctrinated collegians). We need as many conservatives as possible to settle here in order to offset the cretins listed above.

    • chivalry

      I was thinking FL too Strider and I’m very conservative gun activists.

  • Everywhere in the midwest the state govts are really coming down hard with cops, fees, taxes and all kinds of ways to torture their citizens. They’ve slapped extra fees on farm animals and even driven small farmers out of business, and Agenda 21 is being promoted at greater frequencies, on public radio in particular, as being a good and ‘upcoming’ thing. So I’m considering leaving. The gov’t won’t allow anyone to grow their own food- (they’ve nearly destroyed Amish communities and other small farmers already) won’t let people keep their property or vehicles, won’t let people keep their income, won’t give small businesses any kind of break at all. The city disasters of foreclosures, business closures, and massive layoffs has now moved from the cities and population centers and outward to the more rural communities. They aren’t done yet!!! Didn’t I hear on lamestream media that our politicians are strongly considering adding a 6% sales tax to EVERYTHING we buy? Not to mention the VAT tax, the transaction tax, and only God knows what else they’ve got coming our way. Avoid the midwest, at least.

  • Move to New Hampshire for the Free State Project.

  • Made the move here already from Michigan, along with many others in the Free State Project. Liberty oriented folks are encouraged to join us, you can check out the people at porcfest in June and see what you think. You can be more free and make a difference while becoming part of a community where you’re not considered the crazy libertarian!

  • Dennis

    Don’t come to North Dakota either. It’s cold, very cold.

  • victor kiriakus

    Most of those states are pretty cold, and I prefer warm weather. I think lower costs and relatively inexpensive land make the southeast a good place to look. Utah looks like it may be a good spot too.

    High taxes, high crime rates, and a high cost of living eliminate New York, New Jersey, California, Massachusetts and Connecticut.

  • B

    I moved from California to South Dakota and it has worked out pretty well so far. Unemployment here is actually going down and is like 4.8 percent.

    There is a lot of local food production here, and I think at least 1 ethanol plant. So it seems like a good place to be.






  • Countrytek, right on!

    Having grown up in the state of Washington (50’s, 60’s and 70’s )and lived in CA, ID, AZ, NM, CO, AK, thereafter, and then moved back to WA a few years ago, I was shocked at how the infectious socialist revolutionaries, i.e. the “invasive species” infiltrated and took over the Pugetropolis. I can’t say I’m a saint, being that I wandered the land beyond, looking for greener pasture, but for me, I came back to set up camp where I’m most familiar with the local ‘Laws of Nature.”

    As much as I’m resisting the “new” locals here, I must accept this as the way the collective consciousness, that ultimately dictates who leads and who follows, runs the show. The key is to make sure one’s subtle antenna’s are up and fully functional so as to guide one through the mind (and mine) fields scattered everywhere. Once those who have made it through the “phase transition” or “our special period”, life could very well be quite wonderful. However, it could be a very brutal 10 years before things smooth out.

  • Chris F

    As a Navy brat, I’ve lived all over. California, New York, Illinois, Florida, Arizona and Washington, in all these states, I’ve lived on the outskirts of a major city. I wouldn’t pick any of these places again. Being near a big city tends to warp the surrounding areas, the people are nice and friendly (except NY) but they aren’t friends. Most of them have made their friends a long time ago and they don’t need more friends.

    For some weird reason, my immediate family ended up in Missouri, I’ll be joining them in March of next year. So it looks like I’ll be in one of the recommended states for the collapse. The good news is that I want to get into hunting, fishing and growing a big garden and I’ll have a lot of opportunity to do that in Missouri. It’s good that I want to do that because their grocery store suck.

  • Bruce Cavinaugh

    The state of intoxication will be the only safe place.

  • Mabus

    North Carolina:

    I’ve lived here my whole life, here’s what I know:

    The good:
    Jobs. There are a lot of technical jobs in the Raleigh/Durham area; Dell (Leaving soon), Cisco, Nortel, IBM, Red Hat.A huge pharmaceutical industry, like Pfeizer. Charlotte is a banking center for Wachovia. Also, tourism in the Mountains, Sandhills and on the coast; a lot of golf courses. Construction jobs are intermittent; there is not a lot of heavy industry.

    Huge military presence, just google Fort Bragg.

    Climate. Mild winters, hot summers, long growing season for food. A lot of creeks and streams, especially further west. Its been somewhat dry in the summers lately. Tons of wildlife; quail, deer, rabbit, squirrel, fish. Also a lot of wild berries and edible plants.

    Schools. Public schools are horrid but the University system is one of the best in the nation.

    The Bad:

    People, and lots of them, perhaps over-populated and a huge strain on natural resources in a catastrophe. Bully rednecks that “know best”. Gangs are on the rise in big cities, especially Latino gangs. I have Latino friends, but some Latinos are very racist against blacks and whites, a very tribal mentality. There’s still a lot of prejudice against blacks and against whites. Dividing lines WILL become more pronounced in a catastrophe. A lot of yuppie types in the inner cities, most moved in from the north. Meth-heads, there are more than you think.

    Wildlife: Bears on the coast and the mountains. Mountain lions in the mountains. Poisonous snakes (copperhead, cottonmouth, coral snake, rattlesnakes). Coyotes are coming back. In rural areas abandoned domesticated dogs can roam in packs and can be very dangerous. Rabies and Lyme Disease are found all around the state. Also brown recluse (necrosis, extreme pain) and black widow spiders (seizures, paralysis, death).

    Military: Huge military presence. Could be a target of an attacking nation. Or they could turn on us, either by order or by necessity, God forbid.

    Hurricanes: Not as susceptible as other states, we’re further north and usually the storms are weaker by the time they get here. Coastal areas are usually the hardest hit.

  • Jeff Fillmore

    I’m looking at more of a wilderness area. Michigan has most of the fresh water and plenty of wilderness to hunt on. It does get cold, but we must return to 1800’s way of living in order to survive.

  • Marv Krupp

    Live in Fla, but have haven in western NC mountains, away from cities. Been stocking up ..beans/bullets/bandaides.. for several years. No place is perfect..but for me, this comes close. I agree with the people who say….hunker down where you are..but get cracking on your preps

  • Tomascz

    Do not move to MO. The weather sucks, the bugs will eat your garden in two seconds flat, the locals hate your guts no matter where you’re from, and everybody is armed to the teeth.
    The local pastimes are screwing outsiders and making meth and turning inanimate objects into sieves. The soil is pretty much rocks. Besides, I live here, and I probably won’t like you either.

    (My relatives should ignore this warning and come on down. The cabin is done and there’s a fire in the stove. Sow just had 9 more pigs.We did lose most of the garden to a flash flood.)

  • I currently live in Missouri. I often jokingly refer to it as Misery. My parents moved here when I was in high school. I went to college and they moved out of state and left me here. I’ve been here ever since. Some things about the state are a bit backwards, and the people can be a bit odd, but there are ups and downs anywhere you live.

    For this particular scenario, we’re in a pretty good situation. If you avoid KC and STL, the rural parts of the state have a lot of farmland, low cost of living, and conservative roots. My in-laws family owns a large piece of rural property with a spring and pastures. It is currently being rented out as cow and horse pasture (lots of fertilizer!). If the need arose, the entire family could easily retreat here and start from scratch.

    The Lake of the Ozarks is an enormous source of “fresh” water. There are also other rivers/lakes/springs for fishing in mid Missouri. Wild game is also available.

    We have local produce and dairy farmers. There would be no need to rely on other states or countries for basic food supplies. Alpaca ranchers are also in the area to supply fleece for warm clothing.

    Jobs can be hard to come by, but in a complete economic collapse, this would be irrelevant if you have viable property capable of sustaining a family.

    Our Climate is not as appealing as the Mediterranean or Chile, where it’s warm and balmy all year round, but our winters are not extreme, and summer, while it can get very hot, is not AS hot as many places. It is a reasonable compromise of the extremes.

    We also have a large military fort (Ft. Leonard Wood) which, hopefully, would be an asset rather than a threat.

    All in all, we’re in a pretty good situation should things take a turn for the worst.

  • Marianne Hooker

    As a fifth generation Arkansan who has lived all over the country, I can tell you Scott county AR does not represent all of AR. NW Ar is a gold mine for this type of thing. We had bumper stickers that said “Dont Californicate Arkansas” many years ago because before CA busted people there could sell their homes and move here and live without working with the profit. Much of the open mindedness of CA has assimilated into the culture of NW, AR. I would say anywhere along the I-540 corridor in Washington county until you get to Springdale. Stop there.

  • patty t., alabama

    Tennessee is a great place. NO state income tax. Land is cheap, some mountains, some plains. Check it out.

  • Old Texas

    If there is a financial meltdown the best place to be will be Texas because we will be long gone by then. We’re a holdin’ on hopin’ y’all come outta this mess and reembrace constitutional government, but if this nonsense continues much longer we are not going to sacrifice teh futures of our children and grandchildren at the alter of Yankee stupidity.
    Color Texas…. Adios y’all!

    • chivalry

      TX is very high on my list and hoping it secedes from the Union!

  • Dan

    I would just like to comment on the refugee comment. I do agree that thinking about getting up and leave Dodge is a good idea becasue we all know what’s in store for us, but think that this might be a clear example of the divide and conqueror technique. I can assume that most people reading this blog is someone who values the ability to cut a tree down to warm and cook for their family, while the tree hugers are planning their move to Alaska, Montana, etc through beautiful pictures in a National Geographic magazine. I want to move somewhere with more like minded people (Conservative, strong belief in God, Gun toting and self-reliant) but don’t want to be ran out of town because the bad taste left in the mouth of locals becasue of dirty hippies. I understand the need for clannishness when the SHTF and the hordes are on the move, but attacking fellow preppers sounds like the dumbest thing you could do. Don’t give the NWO more chaos to create their order out of.

    That said, I think it is too late in the game to move and start a new life, IMHO. Unless you are expatriating (which could buy you more time), I would suggest getting out of the city but closer to good friends and family. If you live in NJ I’ll pray for you. All states are at risk. Put you hands in God and realize that he does not care how old you grow or how safe you’ve made yourself. Like some of the foreigners have stated, we need to sort out things here and not just run from them. What would happen if all good men ran from their troubles?

  • Lovesmuggler

    I have to agree with the other Montanans on here, you will be hard-pressed to fit into a community here. In answer to the gentleman that suggested moving here and buying a gun to flash at your neighbors to get their respect… bad idea. We all have guns and we all know how to shoot, Montana has one of the highest concentration of Veterans and has a thriving gun culture in general. I’m assuming you’ve just moved from California and this is your first gun, so my best advice would be ask your neighbor how to use it, don’t go poking a hornet’s nest. I was born in the area you are referring to and now I could never afford to buy a house there for my family because of people like you. I know people from out of state that have settled here and are well accepted by everyone. That is because they assimilated to our way of living and became helpful members of our communities. All you rich folks from California have built your own enclave around towns like White Fish and Kalispell, trying to build little Californias instead of seeking to be a part of our communities. When it hits the fan Montana would be a great place to be, but remember that your survival could very well depend on your neighbors so make friends now and develop some strong ties in your community. The best way to build social capital is to be helpful or friendly to someone else first.

  • Kevin Beck

    One thing I noticed about the list: Most all the states are located in the Midwest, between the Mississippi River and the Rocky Mountains. As you suggested in the article, these are states that each have at least 4 of the 5 characteristics mentioned. I would have thought of adding my Southern neighbor Texas to the list, except I fear that parts of Texas are being invaded from south of the border. No insult to the Texans, but I’m glad I have the Red River to add an extra barrier from the southern invasion.

  • Aurelius 7

    Those that are well-read in the word will understand:


  • I say Missouri-not just anywhere in Missouri either-Pulaski County Missouri :)

  • elliot

    I am surprised NJ did not make the list. Living here seems to be fine at the Jersey Shore especially the Atlantic City area.

    • barrycommie

      NJ very restrictive gun laws

  • 1asong

    Very soon, I’ll be on the Big Island of Hawaii. Because I can run around half-naked year round, and ANYTHING grows. It also has clean air, clean water for catchment, and great solar. And good Hunting and Fishing and one of the world’s largest working cattle ranches with ‘yummy’ grass fed beef. Chickens run around loose and avocados are the size of grapefruits. It’s fun to walk down the road and pick bananas and coconuts. Plus, BONUS! A lot of people there like to play music and sing and dance a lot.

    You can go from surfing to snowboarding in about 2 hours, and the stars are AMAZING at night.

    I’ll take my chances with an active volcano rather than freezing my a$$ off during the winter on the mainland, or have to worry about where my food and water is coming from, and how genetically modified it might be.

    Plus that whole New Madrid Fault area down the center of the U.S.? Anywhere new the Mississippi? Pretty ‘iffy’. The Subduction zone along the West coast? Iffy too. And the East coast? Iffy as well.

    • holly

      you will hate the big island the locals are very rude they DONT like mainlanders…and the cost of living is higher than california..but the rest of what you said is correct.
      People Texas sucks im trying to get out..the laws are strict..and its hotter than hell im in the east part of texas and 100% humidity will kick your ass so much moisture in the air in the winter you will freeze your ass off… summers there is nothing like them..its mucky…huge mosquitos, uneducated people, crime, and meth is a huge problem here! Im chosing Washington State bc the education system is top in the nation, natural water reserve,low crime, jobs, diversity, clean air, no state tax, only downfall I can see would be the property tax..which I can budget that just like everything else. even though the virgin islands sound pretty nice and still in the back of my mind ;)

      • barrycommie

        they don’t like white mainlanders – they don’t seem to have a problem with the japanese and any other non whites that move there. Washington state ultra liberal. I am thinking of hill country in Texas (not near Austin or San Antonio though)

    • Verna Kong

      I’ve lived my whole life in Hawaii, and it’s not easy staying here. The cost of living has always been one of the highest in the nation; the median cost of a house is now $700,000, and it costs at least as much to rent a place as it is to pay a mortgage. It’s expensive to travel out-of-state, no matter where to.
      There must be close to a million people living on the main island of Oahu, now, if the population hasn’t already passed that mark. (The cost of living on the neighbor islands has traditionally been even higher than on Oahu.) And for several years, commuters have been tied up in ongoing gridlock due to road repairs and the building of a rail system that is supposed to connect West Oahu to Honolulu. Although it will not cover the whole island, taxpayers have been assessed a special rail tax to fund the project. Since the project is behind schedule and low on funds, the rail tax has been extended.
      I hear that some residents have been moving out of state because they can no longer stand — no pun intended — sitting for hours in traffic creeping along roads with lanes closed due to construction. Not to mention the dust, heat, and noise — and businesses along the construction routes having to close due to major drops in business. A few months of this would’ve been aggravating. But we’re talking years!
      Why don’t I leave? My family is here. My whole life is here. Wherever I go, I’ll be different from the people there. And I’ve lived too long to easily adapt. One day, I may have no choice but to leave. It’s a scary thought, though — becoming a fish out of water.

  • TimTam

    To El Pollo de Oro

    You might love Aussies, but I can tell you a lot of them don’t care for Americans. I’m American and have been here for over 15 years. I’d be here all day if I was to tell you all the insults I’ve had hurled at me.
    They don’t want you unless you have heaps of money to bring with you, or skills they want.
    Really Australia isn’t much different to the USA
    Australia is a big nanny state. There is a law for everything.

  • Stupid Is As Stupid Does

    Some of you people posting here are absolutely full of yourselves. You are nearly all xenophobic and hate all outsiders.

    Your ignorance about others and even what is happening in your own states is appalling.

    No, I would not want to live around most of you, you stupidly think that your guns are going to save you, but you’ve yet to use them, proving that your all full of shit.

    You are also dead wrong about outsiders driving up prices. It was you locals that sold your homes and your land — nobody held a gun to your head to jack up the price — you did.

    This kind of thinking and the other comments I’ve read just proves to me how some of you really are. Ignorant, xenophobic and paranoid.

    Your sense of community is “just us”, thinking you can create enclaves without understanding.

    I’ll bet that those I’ve directed these comments to think they can go off and “live on the land” like so many ignorant survivalists claim they are planning for. Yeah, right. Good riddance, most of you will starve to death in short order, or come begging / stealing and become exactly what you complain against.

    You all FORGET that we are ALL in this together, like it or lump it. Everybody needs someplace to be. You think you “own” your communities. Well, you DON’T. It’s still a free enough country where anybody can still move wherever the hell they want.


    Wake the hell up and realize that we all want and we all need exactly the same things. Community. Culture. Cooperation. Opportunity. Climate. Water. Land. Food. Shelter. Protection.

    It’s no different for any of us. You may not like or I may not like you and we may not get along, but so what? We don’t have to. But I can damned well live anywhere I want (still) and so can you. If you do not like what is happening to your community — then educate the people that live there.

    I speak from my own experience, having lived in several of the places mentioned on this comment thread. You cannot prevent outsiders from moving in, and if they do, you are far, far better off making friends and connections with them then insisting they go live someplace else.

  • James1207

    Please, don’t come to SD, we already have more than enough crazies, nutbags, and fruitcakes. The pay here is next to nothing (50th in US) and the weather sucks for most of the year. We have very few single women also, not enough cousins I guess. Why do I stay? I can’t afford to leave…

  • Quite Upset

    Wow, am I upset (from a comment. The one that was on top of the 2nd page). Someone said ” 25 THOUSAND ILLEGALS (MEXICANS)”. Not all mexicans are illegal immigrants. Now, I live in a hispanic community, but I’m white. I’m cool w/ my hispanic buddies who aren’t racist, and most don’t care about their friend’s sex, age, race, or culture/ religious beliefs.
    Now, on topic, I say, Texas is a spot to consider. We most likely will secede and can fend for ourselves. If World War 3 comes, we will have quite a bit of the army’s power (considering we have tanks & a lot of army bases). The U.S. won’t be as powerful without texas. TX is a good place to be and has good communities with good people who care about their friends and family.

  • In the mist

    The reason our economy is going down IS because we are flooded with immigrants here. What happens when you have a perfectly run economy get flooded by people, all available jobs get taken, when that runs out jobs are lost to people willing to take less money and less money a chain reaction. Thats why so many college grads are out there with degrees and cant get a job. Then the immigrants all come here work and send the money back to their country to support their families instead of spending back in the economy. No one spending money now cause everyone scared of a crash. There is no state safe and no way for this economy to recover unless people start moving back out the united states and thats not gonna happen. Oh and by the way im one of those immigrants too i see all these things happening everyday so im speaking from first hand experience.

  • In the mist

    Not to mention all the money wasted on the war
    And when our soldiers start coming back there are NO jobs available for them I know quite a few that came back to NOTHING.

  • Big Bob marengo

    Texas was ruled out because it’s got many people. I don’t care how big or how spread out it is Texas is not ideal because the cartells will most likely over run Texas should civil unrest occure. Same for AZ,N.M.,California, all will be taken over by the cartells, if they already havn’t. I would personnally gotto Tenn. ideal for growing stuff, good wateer source and plenty of mountains to hide in. Coal for heat and not in a area that’s prone to earthquacks, big cities or harsh winters. Tenn. it is. And whoever said minnesota is WRONG, the winters there are to cold.

    • barrycommie

      They are heading straight for the cities that welcome them like Chicago,

    • Teresa

      You sir are assuming that Americans will roll over and let the drug cartels take over. Gun purchases have risen 8 percent annually with 11.5 percent in 2015 alone and the year has not even entered June when the report was published. I for one am taking a safetly class and will also take survival techniques in an emergency. if you think we will roll over in any state think again. Texas is even more armed then California. I do not see them allowing drug cartels to run them out of Texas nor do I see many other border states citizens walking away and letting them be taken over by drug wars.By the way there are many American Mexicans here in the US that are against illegal immigration. The media makes it out to be a racist race war but the truth is it is bad for our economy and contributes to lawlessness and safetly of our citizens. So where ever you choose to live. Make sure you be apart of your community or you will be back where you started from no matter where you originally were from.

  • JR

    We bought on Bras d’Or Lake in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. You get your money out of the US without having to open a bank account. No one will easil be able to litigate that out of your hands, if they can even find it. If you look at an EMP map, Nova Scotia is out of range of EMP effect. And no, winters are NOT super cold. Halifax is a world class city, but not really that large. It’s pretty, and prices in Canada’s Maritimes are very cheap. We bought using http://www.dignam.com (I have zero association with them, other than buying our property from them, and they sell rural property across Canada (yes, some of it is in cold areas, some not)

    Just a thought for those of you looking that direction.

  • JR

    There are now 46.5 freaking MILLLION of food stamps (please corroborate at the USDA site, search for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Prog), which is up a massive 47% percent since Jimmy Carter Obama took office, and STILL rising quarterly even NOW.

    Ask your local unthinking leftist associate to justify that… or how he justifies all the drone warfare going on in a half dozen countries.

    Nope, you won’t get an answer, just a more “Yes we can/Yes we have no bananas” chanting.


  • JR

    BTW, if you want land that is farmable, also check out Prince Edward Island. Prices are cheap, land is fertile, and winters are pretty average

  • Live in NC, great scenery and to live is great if:
    -you like endless sprawl in some areas
    -rampant, never-question militarism
    -flag waving
    -near worship of military
    -general ignorance of the world outside of NC and USA-and happy with that ignorance.

    • lovearepublican

      You sound like a Yankee liberal.

  • ed

    Wow this could have been a great resource.
    Be kind; everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. –JOHN WATSON

  • Reina Gonzalez

    whatever you do, dont ever move to indiana. Our economy is so bad that there are houses out here selling for $6,000, five rooms, two floors, and two bathrooms. NO JOKE! horrible places to live thou, nothing but high crime. It’s bad out here. Well maybe not all indiana but i traveled 80% of it, i see the samething everywhere! No jobs and you can get fire for anything, no law to protect you, you get “laid off” instead of “fire”.

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  • Christina DuPree-Hilton

    Please…I came from a suburb of Chicago (born and raised) and at 18 moved to Texas with my family.You know all the hateful jokes people make about “hillbillys and inbreeding etc…”,well sadly it’s all true.I have never met and or dealt with more ignorant,uneducated assholes in my life.And they are EVERYWHERE.If you’re straight,white and mildly retarded then yeah,head down here because you’ll fit right in.But if you want a good life,with good people around in your community and you want your children to be raised to know there’s more to life than dropping out of high school at 9th grade,the oilfield and impregnating the first girl that will let you f**k her,DO NOT MOVE TO TEXAS.Oh and did I mention that the english language is dying a not so slow death down here? Texas is practically Mexico. As soon as we can we are getting as far away from here as possible because thank God I know there’s better than this hell out there.And how some of you say Texas will secede,well do it already.You’d really be doing the United States a favor when the Mexican cartels take over because trust me they’re not going to care to tell you in english that you’re f**ked, they’re just going to shoot before you even have the chance to pull out your big bad guns.You’re out-numbered,sadly by guns and intelligence. Cannot wait to put this hell behind us and the nightmare be over.

  • yzoldowl

    I don’t see Ohio on the list, but the fact is, rural southeastern (Appalachian) Ohio is a pretty good place to live, survive and thrive.

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