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The Elite Are Attempting To Convince Us That Killing Off Our Sick Grandparents Is Cool And Trendy

What should be done with elderly Americans when they become very seriously ill?  Should we try to save their lives or should we just let them die?  Unfortunately, there is a growing consensus among the “intellectual elite” that most elderly people are not going to have a high enough “quality of life” to justify the expense of costly life saving procedures.  This philosophy is now being promoted very heavily through mainstream news outlets, in our television shows and in big Hollywood movies.  The elite are attempting to convince us that killing off our sick grandparents is cool and trendy.  We are being told that “pulling the plug” on grandma and grandpa is compassionate (because it will end their suffering), that it is good for the environment and that it is even good for the economy.  We are being told that denying life saving treatments to old people will dramatically reduce health care costs and make the system better for all of us. We are being told that it is not “efficient” for health insurance companies to shell out $100,000 for an operation that may extend the life of an elderly person by 6 months.  But the truth is that all of this is part of a larger agenda that the elite are attempting to advance.  As I have written about previously, the elite love death, and they truly believe that reducing the population is good for society and good for the planet.  Sadly, population control propaganda has reached a fever pitch in recent months.

Time Magazine has just come out with a very shocking cover story entitled “How To Die”.  The article goes on and on about how wonderful and compassionate it is to remove life saving treatment from sick relatives.

A recent article by Mike Adams summarized the message of this disgusting article….

Inside, the magazine promotes a cost-saving death agenda that encourages readers to literally “pull the feeding tubes” from their dying elderly parents, causing them to dehydrate and die. This is explained as a new cost-saving measure that drastically reduces return hospital visits by the elderly… yeah, because dead people don’t return to the hospital, of course.

Many of you also probably remember the Newsweek cover story from a couple years ago that was entitled “The Case for Killing Granny“.

Underneath that shocking title was the following phrase: “Curbing excessive end-of-life care is good for America.”

According to the author of that article, spending less money on the elderly is the key to successful health care reform….

The idea that we might ration health care to seniors (or anyone else) is political anathema. Politicians do not dare breathe the R word, lest they be accused—however wrongly—of trying to pull the plug on Grandma. But the need to spend less money on the elderly at the end of life is the elephant in the room in the health-reform debate. Everyone sees it but no one wants to talk about it. At a more basic level, Americans are afraid not just of dying, but of talking and thinking about death. Until Americans learn to contemplate death as more than a scientific challenge to be overcome, our health-care system will remain unfixable.

Sadly, articles like that one are becoming quite frequent in mainstream media sources.

Just a few days ago, a Bloomberg article entitled “How ‘Death Panels’ Can Prolong Life” declared that we must “deny treatment to people who want it” in order to hold down costs….

In short, all the Republican talk during the health-care- reform debate about “death panels” was melodramatic and unfair, but not ridiculous. One way or another, holding down health-care costs will require policies that deny treatment to people who want it. And want it because it will extend their lives.

This goes on already, all the time. Health insurance companies have been known to deny payment for treatments deemed unnecessary. Age limits for organ transplants are another example. All policies that involve denying care because of “quality of life” considerations are, in effect, “death panels.” But no society can afford to give every citizen every possible therapy. Medicare is going broke trying.

So who are we supposed to deny treatment to?

The elderly of course.

According to that Bloomberg article, we are supposed to kill off our sick grandparents because the “quality of life” they would be expected to have if they recover would not be enough to warrant spending so much to save them….

A $200,000 operation can add a year or two to the life of an octogenarian, or it can save decades of life for younger people. In a country like the U.S., with an average life expectancy of 78.5, it takes 10 septuagenarians who get an extra five years from the health-care system to balance a single 30- year-old who gets 50 extra years. Or save the life of a newborn, who then enjoys a normal life span and dies at 78.5, and you have the same impact on national life expectancy as 16 operations on septuagenarians. The average national life expectancy can increase even as the cost goes down.

This is the kind of thinking that starts happening in a society that dramatically devalues life.

If human life has little value, then it is easy to start justifying things that would have once been unthinkable.

For example, one surgeon is now suggesting that we should start harvesting organs from patients before they die….

Dr. Paul Morrissey, an associate professor of surgery at Brown University’s Alpert Medical School, wrote in The American Journal of Bioethics that the protocol known as donation after cardiac death — meaning death as a result of irreversible damage to the cardiovascular system — has increased the number of organs available for transplant, but has a number of limitations, including the need to wait until the heart stops.

Because of the waiting time, Morrissey said that about one-third of potential donors end up not being able to donate, and many organs turn out to not be viable as a result.

Instead, he argues in favor of procuring kidneys from patients with severe irreversible brain injury whose families consent to kidney removal before their cardiac and respiratory systems stop functioning.

Do you want your organs harvested before you are dead?

Sadly, those that often do need organ transplants the most these days are often denied for “quality of life” issues as well.

For example, at one U.S. hospital a 3-year-old girl named Amelia was denied a kidney transplant that she desperately needed simply because she is considered to be “mentally retarded”.

These are the kinds of decisions that are being made by doctors and by health insurance companies all over America every day.

And did you know that life-ending drugs are going to be 100% free under Obamacare?

I did not know this until I read a Christian Post article the other day….

A Christian-based legal defense alliance is warning Americans who already believe that President Barack Obama’s health care plan is a bad idea that the “ObamaCare mandate is worse than you think.”

“Everyone likes a good surprise, but no one likes a bad surprise. So, you’re really not going to like the surprises buried in the 2,700 pages of this document,” says the narrator of a short video produced by the Alliance Defense Fund.

“Did you know that with ObamaCare you will have to pay for life-saving drugs, but life-ending drugs are free. One hundred percent free. If this plan were really about health care wouldn’t it be the other way around?”

Apparently they want to make it as easy to off yourself and your relatives as possible.

So where is all of this headed?

Are we eventually going to become like the Netherlands?

In the Netherlands, mobile euthanasia teams are now going door to door to help elderly patients end their lives in the comfort of their own homes.

Is that what we want?

Do we want government agents going door to door to help people die?

As I have written about previously, the elite believe that the world is massively overpopulated and they believe that all of us are ruining their planet.

So they love euthanasia, abortion and pretty much anything else that will result in more people ending up dead.

What are your thoughts about all of this?  Please feel free to post a comment with your opinion below….

 

  • George Kadlec

    The current mentality is the same as those of the Nazi’s. You eliminate the so called useless eaters to the benefit of the elitists. The crippled, mentally deficient, elderly, etc. have to go. You will then soon have esteemed panels of experts deciding who else will have to be eliminated for the good of society. It doesn’t take much of a genius to see where this all goes. The Democratic Party has been moving in this direction for years.

    • BeenThere

      How many times do people have to post on this site, the elite run both parties?

      • liberranter

        I know, maddening isn’t it, that people still make this a partisan issue.

    • Gary Nolan

      We can only hope that Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney will consider availing themselves of the 100% FREE ************************ as soon as possible… that way us ordinary folk can go about living OUR lives in peace free from these coercive clowns and wanna-be, welfare/warfare puppet-dictators.

  • Piglet

    I’m not in favor of ending the lives of others; however, the day is very likely to come when it won’t matter what we want or don’t want to do because we, as a nation, will simply be too broke to have options, as detailed by countless previous articles on this blog. Options require money, and we’re running out.

    As for myself, I would not want to live in one of those smelly nursing homes where miserable people are being warehoused prior to death (if you haven’t done so, go see for yourself and decide if you want to be there more than five minutes), and I wouldn’t want to be kept alive in a vegetative state. As my father wisely said, “That’s not living, that’s just existing.” Life has been pretty good, but when I’ve overstayed my time here, I’m checking out.

    • Stacy

      There are good nursing homes out there with wonderful activities to enrich the lives of the elderly. The only problem is that those nursing homes are ridiculously expensive !! Only the wealthy can afford to live there. The rest of us end up in some scary, dirty, smelly place that we wouldn’t send our dogs to. :(

  • Chris

    All part of their sick Eugenics/Depopulation plan.

  • VegasBob

    If everybody were required to personally pay for their own care instead of foisting off the bill onto an insurance company or the government, this would not even be a matter for debate. Most of us simply could never afford to pay the $20,000-plus daily cost of intensive care in a hospital.

    Back in 2007, my mother knew she was dying and refused all extraordinary medical measures while she was still conscious. When she lost consciousness the doctors came to me, since I had the decision-making power under her advance medical directive. I simply ratified my mother’s wishes and my Mom died a couple of hours later. The doctors were a bit annoyed with me, because they lost maybe 5 to 7 days of bilking Medicare out of $20,000-plus-a-day of utterly pointless “medical care.”

    Now, 5 years later, I’m sure the daily tab for intensive would be $25,000 to $30,000. What you leave out of this debate, Michael, is that doctors and hospitals are perfectly happy to hook up dying people to ventilators and intensive care equipment as long as their is some sucker like an insurance company or Medicare that is willing to pick up the tab.

    The problem is that there is not enough money in the world, even with all of Mr. Bernanke’s money-printing, to give everybody everything they want with respect to medical care. Like it or not, none of us is going to get out of this world alive.

  • Cinderella Man

    Yup I read that article by Joel Klein the other day. It was sickening how he tried to justify killing his parents. I believe they asked him if he wanted his father on a “Do Not Resusitate” list too. This is how it works if you are an unborn baby you deserve to die, if you are elderly with an expensive medical condition you deserve to die. Unless of course you are David Rockefeller or George Soros then you can afford to keep your evil old ass alive. This makes me sick and I fear with the passage of Obamacare it will get much worse. I guess all we can hope for is that Justice Kennedy will side with the voice of reason and overturn this terrible legislature! I know that nothing good will come of it and it will bring job losses and loss of our grandparents because they will be quietly euthanized like dogs being put to sleep.

  • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com Ol’ Grey Ghost

    Another reason for the government to off the elderly is because they are the ones that might remember that the U.S. used to be free country dedicated to libertarian principles. All these “young-uns” today have been trained from birth to be subservient (since Kindergarten they have been swearing a solemn oath of loyalty and obedience to the fascist central government). They’ll follow the order to unplug Granny once it’s given…

  • Gwyn

    We treat our pets better then nation seem to want to give the elderly. I do not know when I reach the day I go on. That it has to happen because someone else made it happen. By not selling medication which seem to be some of this government plan. So death will happen if your not given medication in the first place.
    Door to Door is not worst I could see.

  • Mary

    No one has to end up in a vegetative state in a nursing home. Research demonstrates that in other countries elderly people realize vibrant old age and continue to contribute to their families and communities in countless ways. We don’t have to buy into this either-or scenario: death or nursing home misery. Modern medical care and excessive over and under the counter pharmaceuticals are in large part responsible for mental and physical deterioration–and we can see its beginnings in young people, and increasingly in children. We are losing sight of the vital role that older people formerly held in communities through this constant harping on their uselessness or the ‘cost’ of their care (which was engineered to enrich the medical industry). Once people in their sixties and up are euthanized, soon the logic will be extended to include fifties–then forties–thirties….

  • r.bitting

    The love of many continues to grow colder still.

  • Gary2

    We already have rationing and death panels–they are called health insurance companies that are parasites on the health system.

    We also have a republican gov in WI who is kicking folks off badger care in order to give tax cuts to the rich and corporations. Yep the republican death panels are alive and well. Low information dolts who voted for Walker–he will also screw you just wait.

    • MB92083

      Still smarting at being taken to the woodshed last week I see. [:-)
      Get over it, you lost.(badly)
      Thank the Lord your state has more “Low information dolts” than individuals like yourself.
      That vote almost renewed my faith in the American people. Almost.

    • knightowl77

      Gary2 did you too think “that democracy died” on June 5th?

      • xander cross

        Ask ron paul, typcial racist.

        • MB92083

          In my experience, those throwing around the word “racist” are usually the real racists. Just like in the childhood story of the boy who cried wolf, being called racist has become meaningless due to overuse.

  • Gerard

    History WILL repeat itself…and it will not be any certain group or person who will cause this to happen. This is happening with abortion (unwanted human beings). This is happening with the elderly when they become “non-productive”. Keep in mind…”What ever you do to the least of my brothers and sisters, that you do to me”. Anyone who claims to be Christian knows where this quote comes from….

  • James

    O.K. by me. However the elite oldsters get no exemptions. When they reach a certain age and get sick, they have to go the same as the rest of us.

  • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

    This reminds me of a movie my cousin made me watch, IN TIME, I didn’t like it, but it mirrors what is happening precisely. Basically, the currency is how much time you have left to live, and you earn more time at work, and spend time buying things. The thing is, there is also an insane “time tax” which adds the time to the lives of the elite, who are killing others who they believe are worthless. Those considered “worthless” are killed indiscriminately.I would not suggest watching it, but here is a link to the wiki article.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Time

    • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

      The setting mirrors today, not the plot, the plot is stupid.

  • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

    Also, isn’t pulling the plug a form of murder? Last time I checked, ending anyone’s life without their permission that wasn’t self defense is considered just that; murder.

    • liberranter

      Yes, this scenario does indeed fit the definition of murder. Of course, we all know that when the State does it, the definition changes.

  • Joy

    This is a serious subject which has many shades of gray. The US is an extreme outlier with an uniquely expensive health care culture which for many years coerced individuals and their families into receiving undignified, painful, and futile treatments, to be paid for by 3rd parties with deep pockets. All good business until the 3rd parties started to run out of money. So not such a good business anymore. Now the baby boomers and generations to follow will receive less intense end of life care than their parents simply because the money has already been spent.

    This is not all bad. Counter to what one would expect, doctors use less medical care than the average person at the end of life, particularly when the disease is cancer. When you know very well how toxic and ineffective radiation and chemotherapy are for many cancers, one is more likely to refuse treatment. However, there is a difference between an individual making an informed decision to decline care and having a bureaucrat make the decision for you.

    I do not think that this is part of a general depopulation agenda. The same governments who talk of cutting health care for retirees still have economic incentives to induce young people to have children and encourage legal and illegal immigration. It is more a case of culling the herd of “useless eaters” while growing the army of young workers, consumers, and cannon fodder.

    Likewise, I do not think that “eugenics” has anything to do with this. Eugenics is about controlling who is allowed to have children. That sort of thing is likely to return when times get harder, but has nothing to do with the medical treatment of the elderly, who are long past their reproductive years.

    • Dave

      Joy,

      You didn’t see the article last week about the House failing to pass a bill restricting sex selective abortions??? Look at the whole big picture.

  • Emily

    Hey why not go the full monty and pull an Edmond G. Robinson (soylent green) and after a wonderful death they grind us up for that tasty protein that everyone loves to eat? As I sit here typing this I am confined to a wheelchair and according to the experts I don’t have much time left. Stuff them, stuff them all to hell, only GOD knows when and for anyone to play god with my or anyone else’s life is an affront to GOD. By the way I hate doctors.

    • kittyluvr

      Bless you Em,
      My mobility sucks (I also use a wheelchair), I have several health issues, and my current doctor never even listens to my heartbeat/breathing, or checks my circulation…
      As bad as all that is, I know it could be much worse, and am grateful that I’m ornery as cat poo on a hot summer day, roll soft, and carry a big stick…
      The day of my reckoning is between myself and my Creator, and everyone else can find another victim.
      Be blessed, more will be revealed…

      • Emily

        Thanks Luv, I always carry a big stick, its so handy in persuading people to see my point of view.

  • Joe

    It would be very difficult for me to say that my life (age 39) is more valuable than that of an elderly person or an unborn person or anybody else really. Hypocritically I would use deadly force to protect my own life or that of my family. Life/death choices are hard.

    I suppose if we did away with all the social medical programs and insurance, health care costs drop dramatically because they would either drop prices or go out of business. Of course, most hospitals/doctors/drug companies would just shut down rather than be content with a mere living wage rather than lifestyles of the rich and famous. So we would be left with no healthcare. Maybe bring back the compassionate family doctor.

  • Georgiaboy61

    There’s a hidden subtext in the articles by the leftist press, calling for death panels, more-economical end-of-life care, and the like – it is that the elderly are more likely to be politically and culturally conservative, and more likely to vote against Democrat wealth distribution schemes. They also tend to be more well-off economically. The left and the statists can kill two birds (three, really) with one stone; by reducing end of life care, they can eliminate political opponents, whose assets then can be pundered – via inheritance taxes – to pay for the social welfare state. They also fatten the bottom line with money saved by shortening end of life care. Of course, one cannot suggest such base motives such as these in polite society, but since when has political warfare ever been polite? This truth, however ugly, is still the truth.

  • Chris

    You are quite right that this is part of an agenda of population reduction because it is happening in the UK at the same time. In the UK recently the governments old peoples ‘Czar’ said that it was going to be effectively very difficult to fund the health care costs of all the old people but ‘she wasn’t suggesting knocking them off’. Oh yeah?. In addition they are trying to persuade old people to move into their childrens homes presumeably to free up property for new immigrants as the population of the UK is planned to increase by 10 million.
    In addition at the other end of the scale we have recently had new scientific research in the USA saying it is possible to now test for 3,500 genetic defects before the baby is yet born. To say this will increase the level of abortions is obvious. Before that who can forget an ‘ethics’ commitee in Australia I think saying it was acceptable to kill babies POST BIRTH if they were abnormal.
    Also we have been told that Holland has a mobile euthanasia service that is killing 3,000 people per year.
    We also have the UK and USA and IMF apparently linking aid to certain countries on the basis that they promote abortion and homosexuality.
    It should be obvious to people (who bother to think and join the clues)what is going on. The ‘elite’ are trying to reduce population before and after birth and after retirement when the person becomes economically active. They are attempting to justify this on the basis of genetic ‘abnormality’, cost, womens rights and saving the environment.
    Isn’t this all very similar to the arguments of the eugenics movement and also of the nazi party when they justified killing the mentally subnormal on the basis of cost and because it was ‘for their own good’?
    On a related note note the colours used on the cover of this Time magazine, Black, red and white. The same colours used on the Nazi flag. Spot how many adverts and magazine colours also use this colour combo. Quite a few.
    In the UK the people are being told that they need to retire later and ought to go on working for as long as they can. Presumeably the end result is when the Government of the day will remove all State pensions and say to the elderly ‘you work until you drop if you can’t afford to retire by private means and if you like we’ll help you commit government assisted suicide after you’ve sold your home and moved in with your kids’. Far fetched? Similar to a Nazi death camp?

  • GW

    We as a nation cannot have unlimited free medical care (along with a host of other overspending issues)and expect to have a balanced budget or a sustainable future.

    Are you willing to subject your kids to dying of starvation at 13 so that granny can have festoring bedsores while sucking oxygen from a ventilator while you have to wipe her ass everyday for the next 2 years.

    Do YOU want to be Granny?

    DEAL WITH IT!

  • Watchandpray

    It’s going to be so ugly. So nightmarish. What we have read in our history books is nothing compared to what is waiting around the corner. Maranatha, Come Lord Jesus! When I think of my little children…

  • Gary2

    Tax the wealthy to keep us healthy- There is plenty of money in the 1% that can be used to care for sick people we just need to will to tax it away.

  • Mr. G

    I took the donor thing off my driver’s license because of things like this. Donation started out well-meaning but now it is sick and I am tired of this out of control descent into perversion and evil. Pragmatism must be balanced by love and faith, but we are taught materialism from a young age so naturally we buy their crap. There is nothing I can do about it, though, so I try to watch from afar as the thing comes apart at the seams.

    Michael – your recent articles are fantastic. As the crisis seems to be coming to a peak lately, so to have your articles been hitting the bulls-eye. Keep up the good work!

  • Susy

    Puuuhliz, let’s end the sensationalism, emotionalism and conspiracy theories based on a few anecdotal cases publicized by a media (which, too has an agenda). I actually practice medicine, and every day I treat elderly with advanced disease – in fact, the typical error is the other way round. At least 95% of the time, hospice measures which would be appropriate at 6months prognosis, are instituted in the last 3-5 days of life. In other words, we continue heroic and futile (and very expensive) treatments until the very last minute when everyone finally quits the denial and agrees to ‘comfort care’.

    I am a Christian and against euthanasia etc, but I cannot pretend that dialyzing or placing a pacemaker in a frail 90 year old with end-stage dementia, pneumonia who can’t be fed, can’t protect her secretions and will _still_ die 1 in <1 year, is the right thing to do. Yet we do it because of ignorant beliefs in society propagated by one-sided, sensationalized articles like this one.

    Stop the schizophrenia – if you want to save lives and agree with the status quo of insane and rising health-care costs, then be ready to PAY. You want everyone to have VIP healthcare but are mad about the taxes and premiums for insurance. Let's go back to self-pay then – let's end Medicare, and you'll be free to pay for granny's life-saving without confiscating other people's taxes for your convictions.

    PS- same with the people who are denied transplants – etc: the other day there was a media-stoked uproar about Arizona medicaid decided to end lung transplants for certain patients with a lung disorder (but failed to mention that 100% of those who got them died within 1 year, same as not getting transplant) – http://abcnews.go.com/Health/News/arizona-transplant-deaths/story?id=12559369#.T9ir97XqJGQ

  • karen

    The global elite play God they could care less about most of us, their plan is 500 million people world wide. And only certain races, and I won’t go into that, they call us useless eaters, they want you hog-tied, chiped and nutered, all kept in collective areas to be watched and monitered, sounds like some movies I’ve watched. That is why they have releashed so many germs,viruses chemtrails, and produce creatures in the near future like the Miami Man, Eugene, your food is contaminated your water your crops your children from vaccines you from the foods you eat all those low cal drinks and food are ment to harm your DNA/RNA many are mindless zombies already and that has been there plan for many ages, but those who have figured it out and know the truth of all things know what is to happen in the future. I’ll give you a clue there is a letter submitted to the internet in 02 it has a clue in it and if you have a open mind and leave religion out of the clue, and do your homework you can find out and the truth shall set you free the article… The Sheeple Letter Dearest citizien

  • Colin

    A major issue that I think faces many societies today is, how do we as a people respond to the needs of an aging population? In the past. the average person lived to be 35 or 40 years before dying. The wealthy, who had access to the best medical care, lived longer than the average, and some lived to their seventies and eighties. Our societies were built upon this expectation. Then comes the 20th century, with its advancements in medicine being available to most everyone, and everyone starts living to the same age as the wealthy. However, our society hasn’t kept up with this change, and the result is that societies treat people as if they are an automobile with a high depreciation value. Hit a certain mileage in a car, and the average driver knows the car will begin an inexorable slide toward decrepitude and obsolesce. In humans, that point of no return as judged by society, seems to occur in the 40th year of a normal human lifespan. (40 – too old to hire, too young to retire)

    Now, I am hearing scientists speaking of extending the longevity of humans to 150 years. I think they are nuts. When I consider that a normal human lives to 80, and that he, or she, is – I am speaking about expectations here – dependent on others for the first 18 years of their lives, and for the last twenty (60 to 80), or thirty years (60 to 90), and or even longer, this person is living a life that is 50% dependent and 50% independent. Very few people have successfully managed to alter this balance where they are living lives that are less dependent, and where they are more independent. So, in my opinion, the scientists are saying, let’s extend dependency by decades. It’s absurd.

    There is a mentality in this country where dependence on anything – I don’t care what it is – is frowned upon. Our country praises the person who can get up by their own bootstraps and proves themselves through merit. In my opinion, I see what is discussed in this article as less an approach to killing senior citizens, and more as a method by some to end what they see as a dependency crisis in this country.

    I agree, that in some rare cases, that euthanasia is a viable option, but it should only be an option when all other options have been exhausted, and I disagree with the belief that a patient should be kept alive as long as possible. There comes to be a point where the suffering becomes unbearable, and the person feels trapped in this cocoon of suffering.

  • Capt. Marjorie Lorsbach

    May of us are bing exposed to weaponized nanotechnology which has proliferated the surface of products in the American home.

    With microwave satellite surveillance a roof or building might as well be made of glass!

    The particles are imploded by a pinpoint microwave exposure and inhaled.

    The blood transports these particulates to the heart and other organs.

  • Seen

    Michael,

    In all honesty, this article should probably reference the Nazification Article previously posted on the website here’s the link, so infrequent readers can view it. http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/20-signs-that-the-nazification-of-america-is-almost-complete

    To backtrack, the Nazi regime of Germany implementation of Eugenics that was actually taken from the US’s model of the time. I forget the court case, but it was referenced in an interview with one of the Justices who presided over Roe V Wade (Ruth Ginsburg Interview). The case preceding Roe V Wade was a case that started reigning in the central government regulating population control, and Roe V Wade was determined to transition the decision of right of life to the mother. This is emphasized by Engelmans’ “Population & Sustainability” in which Engelman emphasized that with the proper education that women would collectively control population by effectively educated women in the benefits of pursuing self-interests such as careers as well as convince women unborn children for the most part in many States are in fact not human. In fact, there was an article by Medical Ethics in which the author argued abortion from a moral and ethical prospective children up to the age of 4 should not be considered human but potential humans in addition to discusses the moral and ethical viewpoint of Euthanasia. The reason this is relevant and references a previous article on the website here is that Eugenics was championed by a relative of Charles Darwin who advocated that unnatural selection was a suitable and desired substitute to Darwin’s natural selection. Unnatural Selection is when people conduct decisions and actions resulting in unnaturally occurring reproduction that ranges from deciding who and who does not reproduce such as for pure bred breeders of particularly dogs will only allow their stock to not only breed with their determined best with the best as well as Euthanize other stock. To paraphrase a quote of an old vet, we would take the family mutt to “I hate mutts; it is incredibly difficult to make a diagnosis compared to pure breds because the medical issues are within their lineage and well known”. Eugenics is about not only determining and controlling who is able to reproduce; it is also about attempting to control the genetic attributes/traits of those who do reproduce. The core concept is that the right to life is not a right but a privilege determined at the approval and discretion of the central state. This is a similar concept to the the legal and justice system via Crime Prevention and Terrorism Prevention, Economic Central Planning, and etc. If anyone needs an image for the conclusion of these trends, I would suggest evaluating Nazi Germany, Communist China, and USSR; I would also suggest evaluating the eras referred to as Globalization 1.0 and 2.0 by Thomas Friedman, the summary format of the novel “The World Is Flat” is “It’s a flat world after all” featured in Global Issues 10/11. To be blunt, the central concept is that there are no civil rights but civil privileges.

    Frankly, I don’t think that most people realize; we’re approximately 2 Justice Picks away from completion regardless of the style of Collectivist Central Government that the US will become.
    We live in very interesting times.

  • http://targetfocustrainingdvd.com Defend Your Life

    It all comes down to “quality of life”. As the “Medical Power Of Attorney” for my mother, who passed away this last March, I’ve been through these scenarios.

    If they have a quality of life, then by all means give them treatment and defend their right to live.

    If they have no chance of recovery and they would pass away if life-support didn’t keep them alive, then people should have to option to rest in peace.

    If they have a terrible quality of life(such as so many terminal cancer patients) and want to die instead of suffer, then they should have the option to opt out.

    I told a friend that if I get to the place where my quality of health is so bad that I don’t want to be alive anymore, then put me in a Corvette and let me drive off the cliff in the Rocky Mountains…

    But he objected to me ruining a Corvette :-P

    Bottom line, be sure to setup a Medical Power Of Attorney for your parents, so that you help control what happens to them.

  • Sue

    Come Lord Jesus, come…soon.

  • http://homedefensetrainings.com HDAA

    You would think that Jack Kevorkian, commonly known as “Dr. Death”, would be their poster boy to promote their agenda.

    We live in a death culture because the elite are conditioning us to not care when someone dies.

    Look at how many TV shows are based on the premise that someone is going to die… :-o

  • Cindy

    Thank you so much for putting a spotlight on this issue. Nearly four years ago I had to battle with a hospital’s “Palliative Care Committee” that was aggressively trying to strongarm me into putting my father in a hospice so that he could die quickly by withholding all food and water and keeping him heavily sedated (unconscious) until he died. He was suffering from end stage Parkinson’s disease and did not want to be denied food or water. It was clear to me he had a few months left to live if we were to continue to care for him at home and was in no pain whatsoever. Some of the hospital doctors and members of the palliative care committee were absolutely LIVID that I would not go along with their recommendation and tried to make the situation more problematic by constantly calling for family meetings hoping to find some weak links. I would have none of it and, fortunately, as a former medical scientist was resistant to their bullying since I knew what was happening to him and what basic measures were called for to keep him comfortable.

    Families who don’t have a determined stance of patient advocacy, a strong commitment to honoring their loved ones’ wishes, or any understanding of medical procedures and outcomes are very vulnerable to the relentless pressuring by these committees. A couple of years ago, the NY Times ran an article on this new paradigm which is being called “terminal sedation” and I recall one case that seemed to imply the hastening of death not due to immediate health concerns but in response to a lack of interest in managing end of life dementia – thus greasing the wheels on the slippery slope of a dehumanizing culture of death that views the vast majority of us as “human capital” subject to measurements of worth in terms of “social utility”.

  • Kathy Smith

    IT IS NOT!!!!!!!! THEIR PLANET. IT IS GOD’S PLANET. And this is exactly just one of the reasons why America will be severely punished by GOD.

  • HecatesMoon

    If they start choosing to let people die then they would probably decide to start knocking people off. I would have to run. I am a mental defective. My 9 year old son too….. Maybe I should go on ahead, give up my medicaid, screw taking pills which aren’t worth squat anyways, so I could take myself off their list. Or try to at least. I don’t like doctors or hospitals anyway and if I’m not bleeding to death, I don’t go anyway. ha

  • Hang ‘em High

    Michael, please stop referring to them as ‘elite’ or ‘elitist’. They’re not elite; they’re nothing more than parasites, and should be called what they are.

  • Brontemilan

    I smell an idiot Christian.

    • MB92083

      No, that’s just your own foul breath satan.
      Get behind me.

  • http://Theendoftheamericandream leonaed

    I guess Dick Cheney will be facing a life panel, not a death panel! He needs a new heart and most likely he will get it! Who is going to pay? The tax payers! He is a conservative but he will certainly take all the help and money he can get from the government and most people will agree with it, the tax payer won’t be bothered at all.

  • mondobeyondo

    A human life, is a human life. Doesn’t matter if he/she is 2 years old, 12 years old, 21 years old, or 102 years old. Mankind should have no choice in deciding when someone should die (sorry, Jack Kevorkian). Why? Because mankind did not create human life.

    Now, the cynics among us would argue, “Well, when a man and woman [bleep] in bed, and they conceive, then they have created a new life.” In a way, they did, and they didn’t.

    I don’t know how to explain my point any better, than… you get a male stick and a female stick together, and they start a fire when you rub them together really fast. You didn’t create life. All you created was a fire.

    Sorry, couldn’t come up with a better analogy. Let’s try another one. Can you create an amoeba in a lab dish? From scratch, using whatever amino acids, molecules, etc. are involved? Try it sometime.

  • mondobeyondo

    Just kill all the elderly folks? Umm, okay then.
    Just realize what you’ll lose.

    The obvious: Family recollections of school, weddings, vacations, deaths, etc.

    Their stories about the Depression, World War II, and countless other struggles and events.

    We could learn a lot from these “old folks”. With age, comes wisdom.
    They learned from the past, because they lived the past. They tried to teach us about the lessons they learned from the past. But in our arrogance, we didn’t listen. We live in a more “advanced” age, we kept saying to ourselves We still haven’t learned.

    Where do we find ourselves in 2012? On the brink of another depression, possibly!

    Those who do not learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it. From the looks of it, we will never learn.

  • Joy

    Regarding Soylent Green, the movie was set in 2022 when the baby boomers will be aged 58 – 76 with a median age of 67. Early and low cost deaths has always been known by demographers to be the only possible ending for that generational cohort. Their retirement is inadequately funded. There simply isn’t enough money and won’t be enough trained caregivers for the boomers to “enjoy” the $$$$$ ICU care that Medicare bought for their parents.

    PS: Actor Edward G Robinson was aged 79 when the euthanasia sequence was filmed, and in real life quietly died 12 days later of cancer without attempting extreme measures to eke out a marginally longer existence.

  • Alasha

    this is the only silver lining to my 89 yr old grandma’s passing in 2009 – who i was responsible for her primary care. THERE IS NO WAY I could make a case for killing granny cuz she wud of killed me…. lol

  • Howdy

    What they need to do is stop providing medical treatment to inmates convictd of violent crimes as well as those who repeatedly overdose on drugs and/or alcohol. In addition, we need to stop providing welfare coverage to those who continue to smoke and/or are grossly over weight (i.e. 400+ lbs.). If you can afford to support your cig and poor eating habits, you can afford some form of basic health coverage.

    • 8man

      If “quality of life” and “useless eaters” are criteria used to determine who gets less health care, why do we keep prisoners alive on death-row for decades?

  • Gary2

    Private health insurance companies will be looked back on as one of the worst and most disgusting inventions in human history. Private insurance is great for insuring your merchant ship crossing the Atlantic, but for healthcare it is just sick to have an intermediary with a profit motive between patients and care.

    • MB92083

      Right, the rich should pay a special tax to fund the healthcare for the whole population!

  • Robert Cottrell

    Those promoting these evil issues need to be tried and punished in line with the law of God! An eye for an eye

  • jim patterson

    In my humble opinion wouldn’t it be better to do away with the “elite” in this country.If we did that there would be less people on health care and more money to provide health care for the elderly. I guess you can’t fix stupid.

  • Gary2

    hey right wingers in congress— why doen’t you drop your socialized medicine from the government and shop the “free market” for hospitalization instead?

    Instead of getting the socialized pension plan that you get from the government, why didn’t do a 401K like all the other Americans got shafted with?

    Actually, why does any Republican representative get socialized medicine and pension plans? They don’t believe in them.

    Why do most of the people who believe in never-ending deregulation have nothing to worry about as far as the future (Mitt Romney – several mansions) (the rich who have so many homes they doen’t remember how many) (Billionaires buying the government for more deregulation)

  • Randy

    The Elite Are Attempting To Convince Us That Killing Off Our Sick Grandparents Is Cool And Trendy

    I have to assume that the author of this piece has reading comprehension problems or is 12 years old. The issues discussed in the linked articles are serious adult issues. It’s obvious the author is morally or intellectually unable to discuss such issues. The childish, reactionary title to this piece gives the game away.

    Here is something Thomas Sowell wrote once:

    The first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.

    In fact, that is what the linked articles are about, scarcity of healthcare services. Healthcare services are not an unlimited resource. Evidently, our author is a politician because it’s obvious he thinks otherwise.

    There are billions of dollars expended annually on elderly end-of-life patients. On a per patient basis, this can mean tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on one patient in just a matter of days or weeks. And these expenditures may provide no cure, little to no relief of suffering, and perhaps only a few additional days or weeks of life before dying.
    And remember, the resources allocated here can’t be used elsewhere.

    The truth is old people die. Is allocating large sums of money to extend their lives for a few days or weeks morally justified when the expenditures merely postpones the outcome for a short period of time? Are the expenditures morally justified in light of the fact that there are other pressing needs for these resources?

    Remember – scarcity.

    Thank you, Joy, for you cogent and mature comments on this subject.

    • HecatesMoon

      I lost my father ten years ago, six months before I turned 21. He was only 61. He was denied medicaid, as social security/disability basically denies everyone no matter what. When my dad ran out of things to sell, the doctors sent him home to die. How can anyone determine the value of another person’s life? How can anyone determine whether or not another person’s quality of life is good enough? Could you have spoken to him? Could you have discovered how incredible and brilliant and talented he was…how scared he was at death, how much he wanted to live, and have made the judgement that it wasn’t worth doing everything possible to try and save him? Could you have looked at his daughters with their children, or looked at me, his youngest, and told us he wasn’t worth it? Perhaps it would have gone exactly the same, and I would have spent just as long trying to forget the sight of those dead eyes turned on me when they put him on the stretcher, but maybe not. My dad would have done anything to live. I would have done anything to have him still, for him to have met MY children, for them to have known their grandpa. I would have done anything just to have him an extra day…. All of these advances in medicine, all of these things to prolong life…they were all done without consideration of discrimination to start with. Perhaps we had no right to begin with. If we had no right to begin with- tinkering with the laws of nature- then do we have the right to discriminate as to who gets use of our advances and who doesn’t? Either way, right to tinker or not, think and answer truthfully. Could you have told him or told me that he wasn’t worth saving? Could you have looked at my face, watched my sisters’ and I cry, and walked away feeling ok with yourself? Surely, deep down the answer is no, and if that’s the case, there’s a reason you wouldn’t feel so good.

    • HecatesMoon

      Do not forget…one day, you will find yourself facing the grave. If you do not desire to get in, you will be hoping to find someone with a heart to pull you away.

  • MythBuster7777

    “Us” against “Them” mentality is a constant feature of this author. He always speaks of “The Elites”. Who are “the Elites” that we should hate? People that support Obama (since the author obviously has some radical views about our President). This article is also deceptive in that it doesn’t explain that although the cover of the magazine is shocking (meant to sell more magazines) the article is more about curbing the cost of healthcare by being smart and providing end-of-life planning and legal instructions – that way YOU get to make decisions about what YOU want done if you are unable to make those decisions at a later time. Leave it to this author and many others in the right-wing noise machine to deceive people and turn a good and practical idea into something shocking and re-package it as “socialist death panels” type thing. The truth is that a large percent of health-care tax dollars are spent for procedures that in many instances the patient wouldn’t want if they had the choice – but that they didn’t put instructions for – so family members fight over issues like whether to use machines to keep someone alive that couldn’t survive without them. If that is what you want that is wonderful and we should provide. I personally do not want my family to go into debt or taxpayers to pay for me to be dead but technically kept alive by machines. That is my choice and I have this and several other instructions into legal documents like a Physicians Directive, Appointment of Agent, HIPAA Release, Medical Power of Attorney, and Property Durable Power of Attorney. If you don’t have these – you defiinitely need to look into finding the forms and doing them. They are smart and practical (and therefore turned into “death panels” by the likes of Sarah Palin).

  • SovereignDennis

    Alright Emily!!!! You go girl!!! You tell it like it is and I hope keep telling it for a long, long time…

    • Emily

      Thank you Dennis for the kind thought, I am tired of all this quallity of life standard by which they try to measure ones justifcation to live. Each morning the sun rises, its rays bright and warm on my face, must I have anymore justifation then that!

  • MountainHome

    This is how abortion was legalize (I’m not pro or anti abortion). Once you open the door then the government can augment the determine of death of elderly to pre-born or ‘enemies of the state’ etc.

  • Scotty

    Joy you are spot on. I get loads of static for my view that people live to long. In my humble opinion once you are no longer capable of independent living, you are more than expendable. I think that if you lack resources to pay for your own care, you should expect to receive none. If your kids and grand kids wish to step up and pay for it, so be it. If not, well it’s not societies job to pay for you or work for free to keep you ticking along for a few brief years.

  • mondobeyondo

    Reminds me of what former Secretary of State Henry Kissmyass said about getting rid of “useless eaters”.

    The young… the elite will get rid of them by war and starvation. The old? Just pull the plug on the EKG machine, or tell them there is a “shortage of medicine” so there’s no choice but to let you die, etc.

    Sickening. But that’s how these people like Kissinger, Zgigniew Brenenski (yeah, I screwed up the spelling), the U.N., Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers, etc. think. They do not care about you. They would prefer to have you dead. You would contribute greatly to the environment by pushing up daisies. The world needs more flowers.

    Screw ‘em. Screw ‘em all!!

  • Gay Veteran

    well I’m sure everyone would be willing to pay even higher taxes so grandma can live a week longer

    eyeroll, sickcare (not healthcare) is bankrupting this country

    we treat our dying pets better than our dying relatives

  • http://www.oneimprovedunit.com decline

    I always thought the popular chick flick The Notebook was propaganda for normalizing euthanasia. For those who haven’t seen it it’s about an old man who spends his days reading a story to an old woman suffering from dementia. It turns out the old man and the woman are husband and wife and that story he reads to her is about their life together. It’s actually a nice movie until the end.

    The end of the movie is the husband and wife dead in a hospital bed together. They committed a mutual suicide together. The beautiful music starts and everyone lives happily ever after. Thank You Hollywood.

    The sickest thing in the movie is a few scenes before the suicide the man’s children and grandchildren ask him to start spending more time away from the nursing home so they can see him. He basically says “no, I love her too much”. They never show the rest of the family again. Hollywood doesn’t seem to think it’s important to show what happens to the family after both parents commit suicide, one of which is in perfect mental and physical health.

    Great article. Love the site.

  • http://truthbetold.webuda.com the Postman

    Believe it or not, the root of this evil began with the conservation movement around the time of the Civil war. And yes, that’s the same conservation movement that gave birth to both the modern environmental movement (with all of its “global warmist” drivel) and the EUGENICS movement! Read Anton Chaitkin’s “Treason in America” and check out my timeline. — the Postman (http://truthbetold.webuda.com)

  • karen
  • Cristina

    How about killing the old useless eaters of the elite who live from us. I am sure that if they wouldnt steal from us our old people can live forever and be taken care of forever and now the crooks have no shame, first they live from us and after accumulating money enough they want to kill those who have fed them for centuries. Instead the law should get rid of the old monster of the elite so that we can survive with the money they have taken from us. Amen

  • godsofold

    Let the old elite go first and set the example.

  • http://rumormillnews.com bj

    I just recently lost my elderly father. In his end stages, the doctor kept saying my father wanted to die (he did; at 92, he was ready). However, what I object to is this so-called “hospice” care. What bunk! I find it morally wrong to put restraints on caregivers (no food, drink; only meds). These patients SUFFER just the same. The body needs food and drink to sustain itself. In my father’s case, my brother (who had power of attorney) signed the directive to take no action on my father’s behalf. Guess what? My father was hooked up to a breathing tube in order to stay alive. My father was awake, could speak (at his age, his mind was sharper than mine), but because he was not given physical therapy to keep his “muscles” going, he was no longer able to walk; thus, could not get around. My father needed assistance (caregiver) which the hospital did not want to provide. In their thinking, he was taking up resources that could go to others. And, because my father was a veteran (WW-2 Guadalcanal and that hell hole), he was given even less care (he was taking up resources for the much younger vets. I first noticed this when he turned 80). Once my brother signed the order, they pulled the plug on my father’s breathing tube and he died within an hour. To me this was murder. It’s one thing to remove feeding tubes and all drink, but a person needs oxygen to breath. He would have been better off with a needle to the arm. Quick, fast, painless. Do you know what a person looks like he can’t breath. Trust me, you really don’t want to see it. It’s not pretty!

    I do not believe in all this crap that the main stream sources want us to go along with. It is wrong! But, more importantly, lets follow the money. Where does it go? Into health care? Really? Prove it. Open up your books, let’s see for ourselves. And, do you really believe medicare is broke? Where is all that money going? (war coverage?) And, remember, doctors have to take a reduced fee for treating any and all medicare patients (which they don’t like; can’t maintain their style of living). Think of all of us who will someday have to buy into this program. Do you have any idea of the monthly fee (premium about $100+ month) for this coverage (which is/will be reduced services).

    I think all of this is just wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Put it another way, if we were not in this so-called financial mess, would we still be discussing this? I think yes. Someone wants planet reduction, at any cost.

    On a side note, I had worked, at one time, with an insurance company for a short time. During this employment, I did learn that people who do not contribute to society (paying taxes), had no value. This included children under 16 (not of working age) and anyone 65 or older (retired, not paying taxes). And, with so few jobs to be had, someone has to start going!

    • DaytoDay

      Bj,

      My condolences for your loss. I lost my grandmother in 2010, who was 85 years old. She was also confined to hospice in the last weeks of her life and so, I can empathize with what you are going through.

      You are absolutely correct, now the care-givers at the hospice that my grandmother was at, weren’t “mean” per-say, but their job more of a ceremonial position. I say this because, having been at the hospice from 4-8hrs at a time for over a week, I can honestly say that I never saw the “care-givers” leave the front desk… I mean, occasionally, they would walk by and check on the patients, but that was IT. So, I’m not sure what their purpose is, other than give injections…

      And I agree with you, that the care-givers should be utilizing physical therapy and giving them proper nutrition, not pumping them up with drugs and pills… I mean, I know hospice is the last stop, but If people aren’t even going to try to save them, then aren’t they themselves a drain on society? I mean, why are we paying people to just sit around and watch people die all day?

      It’s not just hospice, but this kind of “care” is especially prevalent in hospitals, my mother is a nurse and I have spent my fair share of time in medical facilities and let me tell you, they’re run like hotels, the patients who have the best insurance are put into the hospital “suites” (Yes, hospital rooms do have suites) are given the best care and top priority treatment.

      So, until we as a society start to give equal treatment on ALL levels (Which I don’t fore-see happening) This kind of stuff will continue and people who are “less deserving” will suffer by being neglected while the “fortunate” will receive the care that they need.

  • Jenni Lindsey

    Whoa-ho! As a Hospice nurse I fear people will equate this article to Hospice care. We are NOT about killing people off, but trying to help patients and families comfortable when there is nothing further medicine can do to prolong life. Hospice patients often do better than those who chose not to have Hospice, as the patient is seen at least once a week by the same nurse and any opportunistic infection is nipped in the bud to prevent premature death. I can see there is the potential for government abuse of Hospice if they are allowed to legislate care, but if Americans watch over their Hospices maybe that won’t happen. Support your local Hospice.

  • Brian

    I was a paramedic for years so I seen horrible suffering. Have you ever watch a loved one rot away till the very end from a disease like cancer? There comes a point when it is inhumane to not put them out of their misery. That point came a month before the death of my great uncle when he signaled me to come over to his bed and with a raspy voice said it’s time why can’t they just put me out then told the family he did not want people to see him like that. He was a proud man and did not want to be remembered as a feeble, thin man who had no control of his bladder or bowels anymore plus the pain was unbearable.
    After that he could not longer eat so with his mind fading fast he signed a form saying he didn’t want no feeding tube, no life saving measures, nothing… Watching him stave, and suffer in pain till he wasted away to nothing(he looked like one of them picture of a Jewish person in a concentration camp) then die a broken man and all he wanted to do was die with dignity.
    You can spin your story and facts to fit you wacko conspiracy theory but some people including me want options when it gets to that point. I get fear and hatred sell that’s why Fox news is rated number one

  • Seen

    Since this has come up from time to time in the comments, I guess; it warrants mentioning.
    There is such thing as Progressive Republicans and Progressive Democrats; their consensus politics centers around expansion, consolidation, and centralization through Central Planning and etc. What they advocate is increased government authority, expenditures, and fiefdoms. On the Progressive Republican angle, the media typically focus on their adherence to Big Industries while the Progressive Democrats through the media angle through Big Unions. To point it bluntly, the Progressive Republicans and their fiefdoms like Jamie Dimon or in terms of Industries: Standard Oil, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and etc compared to Progressive Democrats like Jimmy Hoffa Jr/Leo Gerard or otherwise known as the Blue-Green Alliance, which includes in varying commitment the Teamsters, AFL-CIO, United Steel Workers, the Apollo Alliance, and etc. Lets cut to the chase:
    1). Progressives view the government as the solution to many if not all problems from living standards-environmental issues-national security and so on and so on.
    2). If we strip the mechanical differences, there really isn’t much difference between a Big Industry and a Big Union. Consider, who works for whom, who contributes to whom, and who is in chain of command.

    JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, United Steel Workers, and several others are all globalized Big Industries after placing the mechanical differences aside. Considering, the majority of the politicians are Progressive and thus enhances consensus building politics; it shouldn’t be hard to figure out the underlining issues in DC seeking sound solutions for structural impairment. Consensus building politics involves giving everyone something that they want to support the solution to the issue. Another name for this is group think, it encourages ‘going along to get along’, and this diverts solutions of structural impairment or overhauls/rebuilding issues to fix them into tweaks that effectively change nothing.
    With confidence in the US Dollar eroding and sanctions against Iran including sanctions upon central banks of nations continuing to conduct commerce, the US Dollar’s erosion as the world’s reserve currency will accelerate and without foreign borrowers; the only avenue for fueling Keynesian Deficit spending rests on the monetization of the debt by the US Central Bank, the Federal Reserve, whom is already monetizing 61%. When you factor in the amount of deficit aka debt, the Federal Reserve will have to monetize without a foreign buyer will result in very difficult to hide inflation on top of the Dollar surpluses around the globe flooding back into the US. The amount of inflation this 1-2 punch will most likely result in Hyperinflation, which each one of those fiefdom leaders can outrun our average selves from the hyperinflationary bear.
    Fact of the matter is that the concept behind these articles is to increase acceptance of Euthanasia, and this acceptance ushers in accessible Euthanasia methods for the populace at large. This is only one domestic trend issue that really should be followed much more critically.

    As for the Death Panels, this was removed from the healthcare reform before it passed the House and Senate and Signed by the President, but it was passed by both houses of the legislature and signed into law about three months later. It was mentioned on a news piece in which it wrote that the supporters quietly celebrated the passage and signing of the Panel who is charged with evaluating your treatment’s cost and value to be worthwhile to grant treatment. In short, it read like a trade off to forcing healthcare insurers to cover pre-existing conditions to form a panel designed to decline/refuse or approve treatment.

  • ME

    Regardless of anyone’s personal views on this subject, we simply don’t have the money to spend. Demand ALWAYS outstrips resources. What will Gary2 propose after we have eaten “the rich”? Any “single payer” system will immediately be looted just has been done with SS. Funny how the Gary2s of the world believe that although governments could care less about us that those same governments become saints when it comes to healthcare.

    This article makes a great case for expideted executions and cutting off Medicaid to people like my sister, who is morbidly obese (one of many self-induced health problems) and sees no reason to do anything about it.

  • the gardener

    One thing that everyone needs to know (if it matters) is that mentalities like this ISN’T just about the elderly. It is about potentially everyone. Especially those with chronic conditions, usually exacerbated by the experimental works of the med/pharm industry-like heart artery blockages.

    If you dare consume too much health care regardless of how high those premiums are that you’ve paid for years-you can expect to be banged on to sign a DNR-do not resuscitate. Since the hospitals have the power to code you at any time whilst in their care-signing a DNR can be your own death sentence. Agreement that the hospital can first put your body in a deadly situation-ie on a vent-then give you morphine in the night which will suppress your respiration and all other bodily functions necessary to live.

    As long as the greedy family members profit off the deaths of their fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers even spouses… it will sound more and more ‘humane’ to off those in serious situations. “Miracles” (continuing to live when docs have given you their death sentences) do happen and many recoveries are made even with the almighty efforts of medical personalities to end your life with their experimental treatments of you or your loved ones.

    After going through the actual terrorization my family did with my husband having chronic heart problems following the removal of a lung without the doctors involved with that ever checking out the ‘CARDIO’ part of his body’s cardio/pulmonary system… his hospital was horrified that this 50 year old man just would not die. He must hold the record for successful survival from code events-most made possible by the nitwit care he received in the four crappy last years of his life. If it wasn’t for experimental malpractice he’d have had no care at all.

    My husband died alone with most HIPPA laws breached, a POA supposedly given to his daughter which I’ve never seen to this day. They put him to sleep behind both our backs with him ‘being restrained in the last 24 hours of his death… but not at death’. So many criminal actions by that daughter of his perpetrated upon our family before, during and after his death in COLLUSION with the hospital that I totally advocate and NO I WILL NOT ‘MOVE ON’ AFTER WHAT I’VE EXPERIENCED-that I do advocate for everyone to:

    1. never sign a DNR
    2. Be darn careful of who is around your spouse while they are unconscious or in serious conditions in the hospital to sign those legal papers called POA-MEDICAL
    3. Know that every ‘health care facility run by the same company that insures you’ ie KAISER bonuses when doctors ‘cut health care costs’ like chronic condition people like my husband-who just wouldn’t die regardless of what was done to him.
    4. hospice-palliative care. Once you sign on for hospice know that your life can be snuffed out by your family members because ‘he/she wouldn’t want to live like that’. I was one of those aides living in caring for one man who wasn’t even that bad-AFTER THE WIFE AND DAUGHTER ROLLED OUT A FEW SAFES IN THE MASTER BEDROOM-voila! the next morning after the dad had given me his requests for a full breakfast they informed me ‘he isn’t to have anything-no food, water or meds’ ‘DADDY WOULDN’T WANT TO LIVE LIKE THIS’. I called up the agency to report what was told to me-stated that the MAN was totally coherent, lucid and hungry and was told that he was to die… I quit that job right then wanting no part of this CRIMINAL ACTION LEGALIZED BY PAPERWORK and watched the obits-he died five days later.

    5. If you are young and healthy-unmarried (though marital rights cease to exist when there is big money involved) and have an issue or accident where you are wheeled in unconscious-your next of kin: brothers, sisters, parents will be the ones with the rights to determine if you live or die. Doctors are eager to oblige family wishes with that magic statement pronounced as YOU are on a vent-unconscious/unable to talk-your friends will be horrified but so what. These family members will also be your estate’s heirs. Have someone not profiting off of your death be your POA medical.

    6. Know that the ‘death panels’ are already in full force with the med system. People are killed in hospitals every day in every way.

    7. Know that estate theft before, during and after the death of a person is so common-because it will not be investigated or prosecuted-that many in the businesses of knowing how prevalent have told me ‘this happens every day’ there are often hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of reasons why ‘grandma, dad, mom wouldn’t want to live this way’ or what was said about my own husband after some criminal fraud was committed ‘he’s going to die anyway’.

    8. Avoid doctors, hospitals like the deadly plague that they are. Good luck trying to find some sould out lawyer to sue them after the wrongful death or malpractice of you or your loved one. They kill people all the time. It’s easy.

    Millions of dollars profiting those who are no more, no less psychopaths at the expense of YOU, your spouse, your parents. Good luck protecting yourself. As for those ‘donor’ stickers? The thought of the likes of Cheney getting any of my body parts to survive an hour longer had me pulling mine. There are cases where they were caught hastening the death of young people to get at those organs which could better serve someone else.

    I wouldn’t ‘donate’ one damn thing to the medical industry. No doubt the information about your body from giving blood which they sell puts everyone on a data list and puts their lives at risk, especially if going into a hospital unconscious.

  • truth seeker

    watch soylent green [dvd] 1973 they knew this back then! rockafeller, kissinger,and others the perps reaserch this they are the devils!

  • ceblen

    It looks like readers do not want to comment or take seriously the warning in your article about those “organized forces” who want to shorten the lives of the elderly to save money for Medicare and preserve profits for their for-profit partners in our Health Care Industry.
    Today! in 2013, there is an epidemic of unilateral default DNR Code Status, both overt and covert, being inappropriately extrapolated into the hospital charts of elderly Medicare/Medicaid patients to deny and limit .life-saving and life-extending treatments that the hospitals/physicians KNOW will not be reimbursed under current CMS reimbursement protocols.
    This has been going on for a long time under both the Republican and Democrat administrations because the for-profit suppliers would not cooperate with the public policy goals of the 1991 Patient Self Determination Act which were to prevent over treatment of the elderly and very ill and to save money for Medicare when these patients would be referred to Hospice and palliative care instead of expensive curative care that involves expensive ICU and CCU hospitalizations.
    At least Obama Care will stop Over Treatment for Profit when elderly patients will have to qualify for either curative care or palliative care/transition to HOSPICE under neutral “big data” statistics that will be provided when physicians are mandated to SEEK informed consent for either Curative Care or Palliative Care/transition to Hospice from their elderly Medicare/Medicaid patients in BOTH the outpatient and inpatient setting.
    Shame on the Bioethicists and the Congress who protect the status quo and who have allowed this under the radar unilateral shortening of the lives of the elderly without their informed consent to serve fiscal expediency.