Is America In Danger Of Turning Into One Gigantic Hellhole?

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What in the world is happening to America?  Are there still places in America where liberty and freedom are respected, where taxes are low, where regulations are not suffocating, where the people are friendly and where Americans can be free to live an independent lifestyle?  In a previous article entitled “What Is The Best U.S. State To Move To If You Want To Insulate Yourself From The Coming Economic Meltdown?“, I asked readers what they thought were some of the best places in America to move to for people wishing to ride out the coming economic collapse.  Well, the response was overwhelmingly negative.  Readers were even highly negative about states that have been very popular for “independent thinking” Americans to move to such as Montana, Idaho, Alaska, Washington and Colorado.  So are there any “good” places in America left?  Or is America in danger of turning into one gigantic hellhole?


The truth is that a substantial number of Americans can see what is happening to our economy and to this country and they want to get out of places such as Los Angeles, New York City and Detroit.  Life in many of the biggest U.S. cities is becoming increasingly difficult.  Rampant unemployment seems to be everywhere and more Americans than ever are finding themselves having to take government handouts just to survive.  In most major U.S. cities the housing prices are ridiculous, the traffic is horrendous, crime is starting to rise and taxes just seem to keep increasing year after year.  Not only that, but in the event of a total economic collapse, many U.S. cities will descend into complete and utter chaos.  Just remember what happened to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.  When Americans start running out of food most of them will totally lose it.

But even if a total economic collapse does not happen any time soon, an increasing number of Americans are seeking to embrace a lifestyle that is more independent of the system.  The truth is that it is really hard to grow your own food or gather your own water if you live in or around most major U.S. cities.  More Americans each year are discovering that an “off the grid” lifestyle has a lot of benefits.

So are there still places in the United States which are accommodating to those seeking to live a more independent lifestyle?

Well, readers of this column have had negative things to say about areas from coast to coast.  Of course some of the comments may be attempts to scare “carpetbaggers” off, but many of the other comments seem like very honest assessments.

The truth is that “the grass is not always greener” in another area of the country.  It can be incredibly difficult to pick up and move to another state – especially if you do not know anyone there.

The following are excerpts from recent comments that readers have left about states where they have lived….



Alaska, it takes a special person to live there, outside of Anchorage.  The Californians fit right in there in that piece of crap town..If you live in rural Alaska GET READY FOR MAJOR COLD, -30 TO -50 OR WORSE, short growing seasons. June to Sept, the gardens cant be planted in the ground until like July, as the soil is too cold. The water coming from the well is 34 degrees.  So hot houses are used and above ground gardens are quite common.

Gas now is from 3.75 to 8 bucks depending on where you are, other than Anchorage. You have to heat 9 months out of the year usually. Bugs are plentiful, especially big ass black flies and mosquitos.


Take advice of others and move to Seattle, Mississippi, Idaho or get a boat in Florida. But for God’s sake DON’T come to Alaska. I demand you remove Alaska from your list. Alaska cold, no light, no food, no nothing……..stay DOWN THERE! Especially if you are an Environmentalist, it is not what you see on Discovery Channel. You’ll just end up starving in old bus or eaten by a bear.


Don’t even think about Alaska. Locals outside of Anchorage don’t like strangers moving in and Anchorage is like a little Seattle. When the economy collapses Anchorage will be a hell hole.

If you’re a hippy, environmentalist type……….you are/will be the least liked; many want to shoot you now.



I have lived all over the country, and was raised in Montana. I can assure you, the small towns are very clannish, detest Californians because of their arrogance and affinity for posted signs.


warning stay away from montana…

the locals here and their kids prey upon the new fish here and their kids!

how long you’ve lived here is BIG with the locals and the even post it in the paper!

buy a gun if you move here and let your neighbors know you have it!

they will or their kids will harass you and rob you here… stay away from west glacier and columbia falls montana. WHITE TRASH! AND METH HEADS AND ALCOLHOLICS DUI’S!







Idaho is full of skinhead, methhead types who are VERY territorial. If you are not a native, you will get hurt.


Tried to move to Idaho once with teaching job. One job I was turned down for (Kooskia) and the other job I turned down (Cor de Lane) because of its proximity to neo-Nazis and white supremists (aka FBI moles).


Idaho is full to the brim w/ hostile provincials with absolutely no sense of fashion.  Stay away.  Too much snow.

Washington State


Do I need to tell you that this is a Nanny state? Like the Seattle liberals, the politicians all have a very elevated sense of entitlement. The voters have been in tax revolt status since the bunny huggers have killed farming and fishing on the West side, the boom & bust cycle of the economy has become aggravated. If they succeed in killing the timber industry, it will only get worse. The Boeing Company has moved their headquarters out of Washington state, and has sworn that they will build no new production facitlies here, due to the antagonistic taxation and regulatory environments. Many smaller businesses have followed suit. I’m looking for them to drag the “Will the last person leaving Seattle please turn off the lights?” billboard out of mothballs soon. I can’t wait. We need to drain the cesspool.

As for me, my people were pioneers out here. I have roots and don’t feel much like moving, but if it gets much pinker around here, I just might. Where will I go? Someplace I can breathe free.


I live in western WA near Seattle and make the best of it – decent gun laws, no income tax. Over the past 2 years I’ve been hot and cold about the radical step of becoming an expat family. Until it looks like we can’t go on anymore I’m staying right here. Still, taxation is becoming very onerous. I now pay $706/month in property taxes (large view home) and when I study accounts of expats in Latin America soaking up the sun, exercising, growing amazing food, and paying $30/month property taxes, it is very tempting. America has become a very, very unhealthy place to live with adultered food/water and loads of uncertainty and stress. People here are self centered, rude and often quite hostile. Just drive I-5 between Tacoma and Seattle a few days a week and observe the underlying rage and sheer stupidity. I won’t even ride my bike anymore because people want to literally harm you with their vehicle for no particular reason (medication rage perhaps?). There’s some great people around, but greatly outnumbered by sheep and ‘me-first’ and shallow consumer types. This area will be a slaughterhouse if SHTF given the number of gangs, illegals and entitlement folks. Honesty, I wouldn’t rule out survival cannibalism should the worst case transpire.



Do not choose Arkansas. We choose Scott County Arkansas because of the low population (12,000 in entire county, large number of churches 63 in county and beautiful scenery). Over 40% of the people here are on public assistance of one kind or another and the people are extremely clannish. There is a huge drug problem here (people selling their pain medication and meth labs) the police have paid informants who continue to commit crimes while being paid by the county to inform on other people. There has not been any large drug bust or labs taken down in the eight years we have lived here. The only place to work in this county is Tyson which pays 9+ an hour. The sales tax in this county is 9.65% on non-food and 5.65% on food. Real estate taxes are increasing rapidly.

Arkansas is a anti-business state, they do not want out of towners to come here and open businesses. Choose another state, the people here have not desire to improve themselves, life for their families or the future for their children.



If I could afford to leave Colorado I would. It has turned into California East. I came here 20 years ago to get ready for what is happening now. In the 90′s we had an influx of Californians that has ruined this state. I chose my property very carefully, water, ability to grow (with greenhouse), proximity to a decent sized city with good hospitals and shopping but far enough away so as to be in the country. My wife and I did everything right but failed to take in the changing political climate. Don’t make the same mistake we did.

A Dodgy Bloke:

Interesting you may want to stay away from Colorado, over the last several years we have had people from California move here in hordes. They are creating what they have fled from here we have just elected out own version of Moon Beam as Governor.



Stay out of Wyoming! It is always windy and a bunch of crackheads! No jobs above minimum wage.


Areas near Yellowstone would be deadly if the caldera goes supervolcano (maybe next year, maybe 1000 years). Be more than 600 miles from that thing.



We Californian’s suffer a lot of bashing – it’s well deserved. Please keep in mind, that we’re not all leftist/socialist/bleeding heart crybabies. Some of us would like to move and wouldn’t want to see our state’s policies follow us. Some of us love guns and low taxes and despise social safety nets. I look at my neighborhood and can count on one hand the number of us who actually work. Disability has become a career move here. Sad, really sad. Unfortunately, I’m not sure any place in Amerika is immune.


S. Barringer:

I notice that Michigan is not on the list. Most likely because they tax everyone to death here. If you’re not losing your home or business this month, you will be in the future. But, residents are wising up and saying no to new taxes, even for so-called “essential” services like police, which is not really essential if you have the sense to know how to defend yourself and what you have. Many counties and townships are saying no to paying for police departments, and they’re closing down.

People are moving out of this state like crazy. I’m going to have to start tracking where they are moving to. This used to be the car capital of the world; now it’s just another ugly industrial wasteland.



Borders Mexico, a lot of wide open spaces, very hot summers, sparse water, little rainfall (the amounts vary), currently being invaded from the south by illegals and from the north, west and east by those who have lost their jobs in states with high taxes (read California, Michigan, New Mexico), takes time to learn to farm here (unusual soil properties), assasin bugs, coral, rattle and copperhead snakes, coyotes, mountain lions, poisonous spiders (you get used to them all over time) many areas very rocky and sparsely wooded.



Maine? There are no jobs here. A great place to “bug out” to but remember it is very cold and snowy in the Winter. Gasoline and heating oil are approaching $3, taxes are high, the infrastructure is crumbling, the state deficit is one billion dollars, the Maine Dept of Transportation is 750 million in the hole.



I live in Vermont. Unless you are of a Libertarian/Anarcho Capitalist persuasion. Please stay away! This state is hard to live in and requires a lot of self sufficiency. I like it that way and don’t really want to see any more whiney city dwellers move here that want to remake this into the New Jersey of the north.



Having spent two years there while in the military, I recommend against Nebraska for three reasons: 1) most residents have a vocabulary of exactly three words — “Go Big Red!”; 2) very nasty winters; 3) income tax is a percentage of federal tax. So if the current rates expire and federal rates jump next year, state taxes will jump in tandem.



The grass is not always greener somewhere else. I tried moving to the VA mountains. Wonderful climate in the Shenandoah Valley but land is astronomical, even a trailer. All the ultra-rich from DC area fled there and lots of alphabet gov’t agencies. There are NO JOBS, period. Nada. It’s ‘Wally Mart’ culture. A bunch of fat, ignorant drunks with no skills. You can’t even get a car fixed. Rent and utilities are less than many places but state tax is high. Health care barely exists. It’s a mean, narrow-minded rabidly fundamentalist tribal culture that hates outsiders, especially Yankees. You may find yourself in danger, not only from the local cops, but your own neighbors. Believe me, no one will help you. I have lived many different places and also other countries, and VA is the meanest place I ever found. They are vengeful, sneaky and backstabbing, even with their own relatives. (I grew up in W.Va. Now, I see why they split off.) If you are a stranger, then they will gang up. I gave up after a few years and went back North where I still had friends and a support system–that is the most important thing.

So what do you think?  Are there any decent places left to move for Americans who are seeking to live a more independent lifestyle?  Please feel free to share your thoughts in the comments section below….

  • Gary

    Tax the rich and spread the wealth. Memo to all the retarded tea baggers-we do not need to live in a banana republic which is what you dolts voted for.

    Thanks to all you brain dead buffoons things will only get worse.

    I would love to say a lot of curse words but I am sure you can figure out what I would say-or maybe tea baggers can’t figure out due to their IQ of a carrot stick mental facilities.

  • VegasBob

    Las Vegas is a hellhole and getting worse by the day. We have rampant crime like violent home invasions, and 15% unemployment. If you challenge the police state, the police will execute you on the spot if you give them the slightest provocation. And the murders committed by the cops in the name of the law are whitewashed every time. It’s unbelievable. So I’m definitely looking to get out of Vegas.

    I’ve lived in a lot of different places in the US. Regardless of where I’ve lived, rampant ignorance and stupidity are everywhere.

    Now you can’t even get on an airplane in the US without being subjected to sexual assault.

    I’m thinking about expatriating. I can actually afford to do that. But where can I go that is any better?

  • Chris

    Don’t move to Boise, Idaho. About six weeks ago, my vehicle window was broken by a guy on a motorcycle in Boise. The Boise detectives won’t do anything about it (even though I gave the police the guy’s license plate number)! I called and was told that the detectives haven’t even bothered to put the case into a file. Nobody in the local media even bothered to report this story. The people in Boise are often very rude and it is extremely difficult to make friends in Boise if you don’t know anyone in the area.

  • Paul

    I hear there’s lots of available cheap land in the Detroit Metro area that will make for good farming.

  • Neddy

    I was born in America. (Detroit of all places)

    My advice: Join me in Australia or perhaps New Zealand. There is nowhere left to go.

  • mike

    I live in Cartersville,Ga. I have to say it’s nothing live some of the places I’ve read about on here. people here are friendly and you feel a sense of community.I think a lot of this has to do with the culture of the people in the region.I feel that native southerners are raised to have more respect for people, maybe it’s the strong religious influence that we were raised in.There is no other state that I would want to move to,and that’s the truth.

  • Like-minded folks need to make like a pilgrim and start their own nation inside the US. Sure it will be hard but prudent people that are foreseeing the coming trouble will seek shelter while the rest of society slides down the slippery slope into destruction. Check out to start a new nation inside the US – just like the Indian Nations who pay no income tax on the reservation and make their own laws (except for capital crimes)

  • Lord Vader

    Look at Detroit and you’ll have an idea of U.S.A in 20 years give or take.

    Detroit is a failure because of the socialist politicians that have been elected for the last 50 years. The rest of the U.S. will follow for the same reason.

    Re: Gary – taxing the rich won’t help you. Don’t forget you don’t get the rich peoples money – the government does. Then the government wastes it. Let all money earners – rich and poor – keep 100% of what they earn and spend it how they want. Government solves nothing it is the problem.

  • zack

    Why stay in the US where you’re forced to slave away to support politically connected moochers like Goldman Sachs and the public employee unions? Enough of enough; these parasites run the show, and the American people are too complacent to push for real change.

    Jobs in Asia –

  • Chad

    Go to Utah. Most people may have problems with the Mormons, but they would tell their members in government to keep a cool head and maintain order. They would also tell their members to help out in maintaining order and then encourage that we keep a free government. They aren’t a political group, but they would definitely step in if the country fell apart. You do have to learn how to grow in the hotter climate and deal with water in a desert land, but it beats other states I’ve lived in. Definitely staying here.

  • Chris

    For the first time in my life, I’m ashamed to be an American. I am a single parent trying to raise a sane, ambitious teenage daughter, in what’s slowly turning into a cesspool of democracy go awry -like some horrible lab experiment. Oh wait!..Monsanto has already taken care of that for us as well! We now have them and the giant food conglomerates, to thank for destroying our land, our soil, our air and don’t even get me started on the food.

    What has become of us? Is it going to get better? …I’m sadly realizing that it’s going to get worse and every day brings more news of corrupt politicians (Dems and Reps alike) who do nothing more than promote the very essence of what’s literally strong-arming and choking every single one of us, including our freedom.

    What happened to sanity and civility? Do these words even exist today? I shudder to think what will become and I tremble at what my child (and her children) will have to face at the hands of pure gluttony and greed. Brrrrr!

  • kevinito

    Come on, the country has been totally going to hell for at least a decade. If you didn’t get a clue and start executing your plan during the .com bubble or the housing bubble, or right after 9/11 or Katrina then I’m sorry but you’re too late to the party to be trying to figure out what move to make now. I’m afraid all the good campsites are taken and you need to go fight with the other folks for a room back at the Super 8 by the interstate.

    P.S. Don’t forget to ask for a wake-up call so you can get a good place in line behind the gov’t cheese truck.

  • El Pollo de Oro

    I live in Philadelphia, and I like it here a lot despite all the problems (crime, taxes, a rapacious one-party city government). Some parts of the city are great if you can afford them (Rittenhouse Square, Olde City), some parts of it are VERY dangerous (Kensington, Strawberry Mansion, Frankford). There is a lot to do here, from museums to restaurants, clubs and bars. But in this economy, who can afford those things? And do you really want to be in a large urban center when the you-know-what hits the fan? If you think crime is bad here now, just wait.

    This is a densely populated city, and when the economy of The Banana Republic of America (BRA) goes from bad to worse, all hell is going to break loose in Philly and other large, densely populated urban centers. The United States as I knew it growing up no longer exists, and the country on the whole is becoming more and more of a Third World hellhole where the top 2% get richer and richer while the middle class erodes and millions of formerly middle class people sink into bonecrushing poverty. So I can tell you what I like about Philly (and what I dislike), and I know folks in Miami who could list countless things they love about Miami. But the whole country is in sharp decline, and things are only going to get worse…..MUCH worse.

    A wretched health care system, a crumbling infrastructure, widespread poverty, massive debt, a currency in peril, a failed two-party system, fascist Repubi-kkkons and wimpy, spineless Demo-Craps, violent crime, domestic terrorists—the BRA is an absolute mess in so many respects. God help The Banana Republic of America.

  • willie

    Low population density, low crime, cheap land, four full seasons, 47(in) rain avg, 300 days sunshine avg. No zoning, no codes, no jobs. Meat, wild or domestic, easy to come by. Lots of wild fruit and nut trees. Good soil in bottoms. Friendly, well armed locals. Great place to live if you have some income source and a lot of elbow grease. Where? Chautauqua County, Ks.

  • very cheery thread indeed. while it seems that most of the respondents are obsessively concerned about the looming collapse of the nation and frenziedly looking for some way out, it might be instructive to point out that such a pervasive and even paranoid psychology could well the product of little known and yet widespread techniques of mind control and psychological conditioning whose applications over the past decades through the medium of ELF waves and FM radio wave and television transmissions have as their objective the subjugation of populations “by inflicting a state of psychological terror and feelings of imminent destruction”. The preceding quotation is taken from a thesis entitled “From PSYOP to MindWar: the Psychology of Victory” co-authored by Colonel Paul Vallely and the notorious avowed satanist General Michael Aquino. For those so interested, a brief description of this process is offered below

    “The contemporaneous discoveries of the eminent Polish scientist Heinrich Wilhelm Dove remain for the most part as relatively obscure as they are significant. His discovery of binaural beats which involves the low frequency pulsation of two separate tones at slightly different frequencies, the combination of which produces in the brain perceptions completely independent of physical stimulus through the “entrainment” of brain waves. The brain waves mimic the pulsation of the implanted frequencies producing such sensations as are characteristic of the particular frequency introduced.

    Mostly recognized for therapeutic value of inducing relaxation, the binaural beats have also been employed in less benign applications involving the aforementioned FM and television transmissions as well as in notorious MK Ultra experimentation conducted by the CIA. The latter program was inaugurated under the auspices of Operation Paperclip, a US intelligence operation formally approved by President Truman in 1946, involving the recruiting and importation of high level Nazi scientists in the waning days of WW II. The Nazi hierarchy had placed a high priority on the development of the atomic bomb as well as the implementation of mind control techniques known as “Weltenshunkrieg”. German scientists involved in both programs were actively sought out and recruited by US intelligence operatives to the extent that the entire Nazi brain trust was soon working for the US government in the development of nuclear technology as well as forming a significant majority of the ranks of the American Psychiatric Association working in tandem with the notorious Canadian Dr. Ewen Cameron.

    The Nazi mind controllers apparently busied themselves with a synthesis of Dove’s binaural beats and the long established and refined tenets of Braids hypnosis. The result was a melding of a steady tone of 15000 Hz at the further limits of the hearing range with a much lower frequency at the range of 300 to 4000 Hz overlaid with the voice of a hypnotist controlling the frequency modulation which could be communicated to an individual in the laboratory or to a mass audience through the means of radio and television transmissions. The target subjects would be unaware of the subliminal messages being transmitted to them, hearing only a tone or a “rush”, and yet through the entrained brain waves would unconsciously understand and thus be “programmed” with the desired content.”

  • Out Of Control

    I’m in CA… Los Angeles of all places. Born and raised.

    Bottom line… though there are nice areas around CA, LA is NOT one of them AT ALL. I’m in the suburbs… and most of LA/LA County is crap. Stupid people. extreme traffic, everything is getting very expensive and rent is ridiculous, not to mention property taxes. With the upcoming cap & trade bill that Arnold signed in 2006 going into effect in 2012 I’m sure nobody will know what hit them. Business is leaving in record numbers and so are people I’m one of them as well!

    No way in hell can I see a future here. The sad state of affairs seems to grow by the week. Lots of dumb people depending shamelessly on the government. I’m tired of it all in this area. Ultimately… there is nowhere I want to be but would rather expat.

    I’ve been traveling out of the country a bit for research and I would agree with one of the guys above that mentioned New Zealand, also areas of central and south america…

    It’s sad when Americans can’t even back each other up and is testament to how much of a hell hole it’s already become. Then you have the hopeless fools blaming the left, or the right, or the independents. There’s a bigger picture folks. Get your heads out of your rear.

    Good luck to us all.

  • A Dodgy Bloke

    Wow this was more cheery than normal I think like anything DO YOUR HOMEWORK! I’m sure there are plenty of places that are, cheep, friendly, and are not overran by meth heads, Californians, Brain dead liberals, and the clannish and inbred. There is a movement called Free Keen, Keen is in Vermont and not for the faint of heart. If you like Costco, Wal-Mart, and free thinkers make you nervous you may want to give this a miss. There is also if they giving away land they’re looking for New Fish. Just do you research, and scope the place out several times and follow your gut.

    Good Luck
    were all going to need it

  • Sherm

    Thank GOD there are intelligent comments for this truth serum of an article. I was worried sick the board would be populated by idiot drone comments like “Colorado has the BRONCOS!!” or “New York Is the Best Place on Earth. ****in’ Yankees”
    THANK YOU GOD those comments aren’t on here. They’re on every other board. Pat yourselves on the back for thinking critically and telling us what’s real! i want to be part of a new school of underground thought. It doesn’t exist in America. ****ing Tea Party don’t count. Situation Hopeless

  • collectively there is no solution but indidually i would sell my house and move to china in a city like shanghai where already 7 million expatriates are living a pleasant life.
    There is no criminality.

  • Tom

    It was all spelled out in Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.

    Read it and weep.

  • The coming survival economy will be much like the Medieval period (500 – 1500) following the end of the Western Roman Empire in 476.

    When nations give away their manufacturing jobs and lose their infrastructure due to disasters, neglect, or war, this is what they end up with.

    A few remaining wealthy people will be land owners and live in castles. Most other people will be merchants, trade persons, or peasant farmers. If you want access to farm land or a gated community, you will have to support the militia that will be protecting the land owner. Most service sector jobs that create no wealth will vanish.

  • nakedguydb

    well i agree with most if not all of you . one of you said something about latin america , 3 yrs ago i moved from canada to panama , i got lucky , i did not see the crash coming in canada and it was not nearly as bad as the states if you are solvant enough to retire here , do some homework on panama , and having enough to live here is cheap , a grand a month if you have no house/car payments is lots a new house , pana style , from 20g , tall end gringo style , millions and everything in between and any climate you want , mountains to coast line , cool spring like to hot . almost impossible to work here , it is a bring you own money country , so if you are retired , or have enough loot , this might be the answer for a good place top live and at least you have the climate to grow yr round food.

  • TSGordon

    Oh, No! At this rate, America will soon be all ‘fracked-up!’

  • Brenda Starr

    I’m not in Minnesota now, but if it was not for my MS I would return to NW Minnesota in a heart beat. It is not for the faint of heart and if you are a newbe you will have to learn how to live in the freezing cold.

    I always thought most of the folks I knew were down to earth and willing to share the ins and outs of polar life. Oh, I suppose 90 percent of those reading this would not make it nor would they want to try.

    It took me and my ex a few years to get a hold of life up there. Stupidly I left and will probably never get “home” again.

    Beats living here in Ohio

  • missy

    Wow. As a Canadian who has travelled a bit, I can only say that I have always found the average American to be much friendlier than the av. European (tho’ not as friendly as the avg. Asian). So many Asians are dirt poor, yet they will smile when you speak with them and offer you a meal if you really need one. Wealth does not equate inner contentment. I love how the Americans will go to hell and back to save an American in a foreign land (opposite of the Canadian gov that will let you rot!). I love American ingenuity and your music is still the best in the world! (tho’ your television is the worst!). I love that those of faith are not afraid to stand up and proclaim it, despite the cynicism of the American press. Americans have a better sense of their history than many other countries — and perhaps this adds to the sense of sadness in these posts. But I’d rather be “stuck” with an American on an island than just about any other citizen. Despite the Bush years, a lot of Canadians really care about our American cousins — too bad too many top security gov types have tried to split this relationship up! By the way, I live in Ontario, where my awful government just announced that hydro bills will be going up 45% over the next 5 years. All I know is that my grandparents were poorer than I, less educated, and suffered through 2 world wars losing loved ones too soon. My motto: bloom where you are planted.

  • Ringo

    I actually live in Texas and in Harris County (surrounds Houston) and really, it’s not all that bad especially if your young. If you live outside the City and you’re young, life’s pretty easy. If you’ve got a ski mask and a shotgun, every little corner store business, liquor store, grocery store bank, etc. is your own personal ATM. In the city limits, the same is ture but it’s a lot harder to make a get away because of the torn up streets and intersections. There’s practically no viable policing going on here at all; Houston’s own police dept. is about 3,000 below full strength and with looming budget cuts, it’s only going to get smaller. If you’re not into that gig, then of course there’s the old fall back of marijuana raising/selling. That and meth have become the engine of economic sustanibility both in the cities and the rural areas. And of course the cops are involved so it’s easy to keep them paid off, either in cash or product. If you collect enough “stuff” it’s easy to sell at the local flea markets and such and there’s plenty other “trade” you can do at those markets as well.

    Pretty easy living.

  • slopuppy

    Great Falls Montana! Born and raised here. I USED to whine about the wind/cold/opportunities…until I got around this world. Freshest air to be had plus a stable economy because of the military. Sunny most all the time. Ringed by mountain ranges that are 15 to 50 miles away. Plenty of retail. Great schools. Two rivers flow through town…waterski on both. If it weren’t for the wind, we’d be as big as Minneapolis. Real estate is low priced. Little money buys one hell of alot.

  • Do not come to Australia or New Zealand.
    We bloody hate new comers since we have already been over-run. Fix your bloody country and leave us alone.

  • brisa

    Perhaps it is not the specific state that is key, but relative population density and amount of community cohesion.

    I think it safe to say that the more green to see when you look around, the better off you will be during the coming inevitable collapse.

  • Ron

    I have to say, most of you people sound like nothing more than a bunch of Doomer rednecks, very unfriendly, ultra negative, hate everything and proud of it. Man I’d take California and it’s more laid back, tolerant of other than just gun totin’, fundamentalist whites only atmosphere to redneck states anyday. States where if you’re not EXACTLY like them you’re automatically the enemy and better watch your back. No thanks.

    You talk a lot about freedom but the truth is you’re the most slavish, lockstep people around.

    I’m so sick of aggressive jerks.

  • Owen

    Although I am an American born son who has served in the military, I am now a pilgrim on an upward bound road to a distant country whose King is the Prince of Peace, the Light of the World, Wonderful Counselor, the Bread of Life, the Blessed Son of God, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God. In times like these, it is best to have a plan. I hope your plans include seeking shelter in the Rock of Ages.

  • IMHO, far west Texas (Big Bend Country), even though it is on the Mexican border and even though you are much more likely to get a DPS ticket if you are from out of state and even though there are not a lot of jobs and (being somewhat desert) does have water issues in some places, is STILL the freest, low tax, independent-minded, friendliest–but buraeucrat unfriendliest–area of the United States left.

  • IMHO, far west Texas (Big Bend Country), even though it is on the Mexican border and even though you are much more likely to get a DPS ticket if you are from out of state and even though there are not a lot of jobs and (being somewhat desert) does have water issues in some places, is STILL the freest, low tax, independent-minded, friendliest–but buraeucrat unfriendliest–area of the United States left.

    But don’t move into a town–stay in the rural areas out of town.

  • mike

    I like the quote by Missy from Ontario “bloom where you are planted” – how true !

  • lifeofliberty

    There is no more freedom or liberty to be found anyplace within the United States. The level of intrusion, invasion, regulation, taxation and surveillance is pervasive in even the “free states”. There is no place in America that you can escape to.

    The long reach of our corrupt judicial system, surveillance society and increasing totalitarianism makes it impossible to find refuge here. However, there is something even worse, and that is the American people themselves, having no real appetite from true freedom or liberty, they have become insouciant.

    Insouciant Synonyms: apathy, casualness, complacence, disinterestedness, disregard, incuriosity, incuriousness, indifference, nonchalance, torpor, unconcern.

    Insouciant Americans – by Paul Craig Roberts

    You will NOT find freedom in America. It is now utterly impossible. Wherever you may go, you will be surrounded by insouciant people and they are the real force you are having to struggle against, and they will always hold you down.

    America WANTS to be the way that it is today, by choice. All the claims for freedom and a return to liberty are factually false. Those that hold these beliefs are guilty of blatant hypocrisy and their own reluctance to practice what they preach. The rest of the country simply doesn’t want it either.

  • lostinmissouri

    There is no reason for Missouri. You will not like it here. In fact, a fence ought to be built around Missouri, to keep all us Missourians inside. ( of course, St.Louis and Kansas City, will be fenced, outside of the state)!

    Central and Southern Missouri, is only inhabited by outlaws, renegades, hillbillies, and rebels. That’s the way we like it, so you don’t have to consider Missouri, as a place you want to move to….JUST SAYING.


  • Trish

    Don’t bother moving to Australia or NZ. This is a worldwide problem – new world order agenda. A huge bank here has had a computer ‘glitch’ these last four days, prevetning all transfers – cover story anyway. Don’t know what’s really going on of course, but the worldwide banking system is ???? I see lots of signs that Australia is on the same path. And we will be a pushover. Why ? Because there are only 22 million of us, living along the coast of east and south east of the country; and we are for the most part, ostriches. Changes are there for those who will see. Overthrown ex PM may have even been compromised by deliberate sex club set up, if he wasn’t already on board with plans for Australia, in line with what can be seen in EU and US. We have terrorism laws that are draconian, but which not yet enacted against Caucasian Australians; and detention centres which are ostensibly for illegal boat people from Indonesia. Make a stand where you live. We are all in the same boat, so to speak. Watch Alex Jones Channel at You Tube and RSS David Icke Headlines Headlines.

  • Trish

    DHS Napolitano went to international aviation security conference in Canada recently to convince the 190 member country attendees to use naked body scanners. So, always a ‘friend’ of the US govt, Australia will get them early 2011 at international terminals. Pity the US govt is not a ‘friend’ of the American people.

  • Uncle Hovno

    Having lived in 4 different countries including the US, I can only say one thing: there’s no place like Europe. Most of the victimless crimes are treated very benevolently here and local governments actually provide useful services. Economically speaking, it’s also a better deal because average wages are higher, and costs are lower than in the US, which adds up to a much higher standard of living. The higher standard of living also provides for a decreased crime rate. College education is free, so basically anyone who wants to get ahead is free to do so. Whether you’re an employee or self-employed, the opportunities are there for the asking. In Germany, you have 6 weeks of vacation guaranteed. Now, who WOULDN’T want that? The only tradeoffs are that you have to learn a foreign language and get used to the metric system. And dispel the erroneous notion that the US is the best place to live because it’s not. Never has been. Since day one there’s been some kind of persecution going on, first they genocided the natives, then enslaved Black people for 400 years, they burned witches at the stake, jailed the Japanese, and now they’re going after Arabs. Pretty soon it will be YOU! Get out while you can!

  • Brek

    Wow, it’s gloom and doom out there. I am not sure what to do as we are outside of Los Angeles near Victorville in the desert. Many people here get by on gov assistance and many more have gov jobs. What happens when there is no money for food stamps? Plenty of tweakers here also. Sounds like people on gov assisstance and dope F#$ked are common and everywhere.
    I don’t know how the future is going to play out so I don’t know the totally correct moves. We are somewhat sustainable, but will we have to turn our property into a fortress with real dogs soon?
    Where does one go? I am getting experience with sailing. Boats are incredible cheap now. Smaller ones (30 ft and under) being almost given away. The country may be falling apart, but there was and still is an incredible amonut of wealth here. As the economy changes there is opportunity, boats and rv’s once expensive toys are being sold very cheap and make a great home. Living the good life on the cheap. Brek

  • Anti Arizona

    Stay away from Phoenix Arizona. Phoenix has the highest car theft of all the cities in the US. Housing has completely crashed. Not a good investment.
    Other than that they just passed a racist law making the state completely anti-business and anti-tourism.
    Also a very hot place to live. The sun will kill you in the long and hot summer. Skin cancer is definitely possible.
    Stay away from Phoenix, AZ. A very unsustainable place to live.
    Phoenix is fighting for its place to be the next Detroit.
    Gloom and Doom all the way!