If You Are Against Raising The Debt Ceiling You Are Part Of Al-Qaeda?

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Are you against raising the debt ceiling?  If so, according to former Bush Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill you are actually part of al-Qaeda.  Yes, seriously.  During an interview on Bloomberg TV the other day, O’Neill actually made the following statement: “The people who are threatening not to pass the debt ceiling are our version of al-Qaeda terrorists. Really. They’re really putting our whole society at risk by threatening to round up 50 percent of the members of the Congress, who are looney, who would put our credit at risk.”  For a high ranking Bush administration official to equate Tea Party activists with al-Qaeda is extremely frightening.  Just remember what the Bush administration did to anyone supposedly associated with al-Qaeda.  They shipped them off to Guantanamo Bay and waterboarded them into oblivion.  It also shows how out of touch the Bush administration really was with the conservative base of the Republican Party.  The Bush administration ran up record setting deficit after record setting deficit and now any conservatives that dare to want some assurances that we are actually going to do something about our rampant debt problem are labeled as “al-Qaeda terrorists”.  Of course the Obama administration is essentially doing the exact same thing.  The current Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner, has been running around frothing at the mouth and declaring that we are going to experience financial armageddon if the debt ceiling is not raised.  This whole episode is yet another example that shows what a fraud the false left/right political paradigm in this country really is.


The debt ceiling is one of the only points of leverage that the Republican-controlled House of Representatives has available.  If the Republicans want to make a stand on the national debt, they need to do it somewhere.  John Boehner already caved badly when it came to the 2011 budget.  The Republicans are running out of opportunities to make a statement before the 2012 election.

Not that Boehner and the rest of the “establishment Republicans” are much interested in seriously cutting the budget.  If they were, they would have done it during the Bush years.

But there are millions of Americans (and a few members of Congress) associated with the Tea Party movement that are deeply troubled by our soaring budget deficits and that desperately want something done before it is too late.

If the U.S. government keeps running up debt like it is right now, it is going to completely destroy our economy.  America has a debt problem unlike anything ever seen in the history of the world.  If left unchecked, it is going to destroy the economic future of our children and our grandchildren.

Something needs to be done.

Yes, if the debt ceiling is not raised, the financial world will throw a fit.  There may even be a bit of a panic.  But you can’t really blame those associated with the Tea Party for wanting some assurances about getting the debt under control before agreeing to raise the debt ceiling yet again.

Our national debt is a horrific national crisis.  It threatens to destroy everything that our forefathers built.

But members of the political establishment such as former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill don’t have much patience for those that want to question the status quo.

Look, when any member of the Bush administration uses the words “al-Qaeda” in relation to a group of people you need to pay careful attention.

Do you remember how the Bush administration treated anyone that was accused of being part of al-Qaeda?  The following are some of the kinder things that they would do to them according to official U.S. government memos….

*Forced nudity

*”Walling”, which is slamming a prisoner into a wall

*”Cramped confinement” which means “placement of the individual in a confined space”

*Stinging insects placed inside “a confinement box”

*Waterboarding – one of the memos actually admits that “the use of waterboarding constitutes a threat of imminent death”

*Sleep deprivation for several days

*Sleep deprivation while wearing a diaper

*The use of “stress positions” to cause “muscle fatigue”

*”Dietary manipulation”

*Facial and abdominal slapping

There are a lot worse things that they would do to “members of al-Qaeda” but they cannot be printed in this space.

So when Paul O’Neill says that you are part of al-Qaeda, let’s just say that he does not plan to invite you out for a Sunday picnic.

This is yet another example of how dirty politics in America is becoming.  Liberals hate conservatives and conservatives hate liberals.  They both hate libertarians and libertarians hate them.  America is a deeply, deeply divided nation and hatred and bitterness are growing at a staggering pace.

Meanwhile, the U.S. government is absolutely drowning in debt and the plans put forward by both the Democrats and the Republicans are total jokes.  Nobody seems to have any idea how to get out of this mess.

We have accumulated the largest mountain of debt in the history of the world and we expect our children and our grandchildren to pay it off.

What we have done to future generations is absolutely inexcusable.

In a previous article on U.S. government finances, I detailed some absolutely horrifying statistics about U.S. government debt….

#1 If you divide the national debt up equally among all U.S. households, each one owes a staggering $125,475.18.

#2 The federal government has borrowed 29,660 more dollars per household since Barack Obama signed the economic stimulus law two years ago.

#3 During Barack Obama’s first two years in office, the U.S. government added more to the U.S. national debt than the first 100 U.S. Congresses combined.

#4 In the new budget that the Obama administration has proposed, the U.S. government would spend 3.7 trillion dollars in 2012 and by 2021 the U.S. government would be spending a whopping 5.6 trillion dollars per year.

#5 The U.S. government currently has to borrow approximately 41 cents of every single dollar that it spends.

#6 The total compensation that the federal government workforce earned last year came to a grand total of approximately 447 billion dollars.

#7 The U.S. national debt is currently rising by well over 4 billion dollars every single day.

#8 The U.S. government is borrowing over 2 million more dollars every single minute.

#9 The U.S. national debt is over 14 times larger than it was just 30 years ago.

#10 Unfunded liabilities for entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare are estimated to be well over $100 trillion, and nobody in the U.S. government seems to have any idea how we are actually even going to come close to meeting all of those obligations.

#11 If you were alive when Christ was born and you spent one million dollars every single day since that point, you still would not have spent one trillion dollars by now.  But this year alone the U.S. government is going to go about 1.6 trillion dollars more into debt.

#12 If the federal government began right at this moment to repay the U.S. national debt at a rate of one dollar per second, it would take over 440,000 years to pay off the national debt.

You would think that our politicians would be working night and day to solve this problem.

But instead, anyone that is actually serious enough to want to pause before raising the debt ceiling again is called an “al-Qaeda terrorist”.

Even if you are against the Tea Party and in favor of raising the debt ceiling immediately, you should still be extremely concerned when a former high ranking member of the government equates a group of Americans with “al-Qaeda” just because of their political beliefs.

Our country is being transformed. Liberty and freedom are dying. Today, when Americans are concerned about the national debt they are called “terrorists”, but when our women and our children are sexually molested at “security checkpoints” it is called “patriotic”.

Just check out what happened to a former Miss America as she went through “airport security” recently.  This video is incredibly upsetting….

  • Guido

    I didn’t know anyone cared what Paul O’Neil thought. If he ran the treasury, I don’t trust him already. If he considers fiscal responsibility to be akin to terrorism, he’s part of the problem.

    This isn’t anything new, tho. The fedgov announced patriots and vets are their biggest threat in the MIAC report 2 years ago. They made the Gadsden flag and various patriotic groups’ symbols akin to terrorist symbols. Don’t Tread on Me=Al Qaeda

  • mondobeyondo

    Perhaps it’s best not to bring children into this world. They will want to kill us, for what we have done to them and future generations.

  • A Dodgy Bloke

    The US is going to go bankrupt, or into a hyperinflationary spiral or a global currency collapse, deal with it. As Harry E Figgie Jr. once said the victim doesn’t care if he’s killed with ah .45 or a .357 bullet. American Thinker did a really good piece on the vaunted Independents and Moderates a large percentage of them are just clueless rubes. This is a option I’ve had for sometime. The debt is a vague concept to these people they don’t really understand it, and they really don’t want to take the time to understand it, it’s to hard and American Idol, or X factor is on tonight.

    Most people are still pretty comfortable, most people have jobs gas is starting to bite it’s a pain not crisis. Max Kessler did a really good short on Ireland and Max asked why are not people not in the streets. The answer by a your Irishman said things haven’t started to bite yet. When things start to bite it really is to late we would have reached the point of no return. There is too much debt to many people and not enough elasticity in the system to recover.


  • Gary

    Michael-99.99% of Tea Baggers are loony and I am being nice in how I describe them. They consistently vote against their interests and are easily manipulated by the rich. I find it humorous to see Paul Ryan election signs in the trailer parks in his area that his policies have hurt so badly.

    I think a picture of his election sign posted outside a double wide with siding hanging at odd angles and a junk refrigerator in the yard speaks to the lack if intelligence of the majority of tea baggers. If we had sound with that picture you would hear Rush in the background as their kids were fussing as they are hungry and their is no food.

    Yes people there are really folks who are that dumb and unfortunately they vote. I have seen this first hand when knocking on doors for the Dem candidate.

  • El Pollo de Oro

    Michael T. Snyder writes: “This is yet another example of how dirty politics in America is becoming. Liberals hate conservatives and conservatives hate liberals. They both hate libertarians and libertarians hate them. America is a deeply, deeply divided nation and hatred and bitterness are growing at a staggering pace.” That is absolutely correct. The political environment in The Banana Republic of America (formerly the USA) is absolutely toxic. In fact, The Banana Republic of America (formerly the USA) is reminding me more and more of the former Yugoslavia; it is a country of “warring tribes” that flat-out loathe one another. Combine all the economic misery and suffering with political, social, religious and racial tensions, and you have a potentially explosive situation.

    Are some Americans of different political stripes capable of having a friendly dialogue? Absolutely. Last year in Philly, I remember a Tea Party member having a very friendly conservation with a young woman who was canvassing for the ACLU—and the Tea Party member explained that he agreed with the ACLU on certain positions (gay marriage, separation of church and state) and disagreed with them on others (namely, gun control). But that encounter is anecdotal. And when I look at the big picture, I see a lot of Americans from different “tribes” who don’t want to agree to disagree—they hate and dehumanize one another. They’re ready for battle, and I mean that literally. The level of bitterness in this country is truly frightening.

    Another civil war is a very real possibility in The Banana Republic of America, formerly the USA. God help the rotting, decaying, collapsing Banana Republic of America.

  • Xander cross

    I agree with Gary because the tea party are indeed loony. The tea party supported bush during his term so what are you tea party members complaining about? I mean you all did not complain about the TSA during 9/11 and the u.s. patriot act and the real Id act so what is the problem?

  • Tim

    I really don’t feel sorry for the former Miss. America. I mean, she doesn’t have a problem posing half naked for photo shoots. I don’t suggest any male readers of this blog look her up on Google as some of the photos are very provocative.

  • WM

    Tim…. Good point. Susie has no problem showing her body to the WORLD, but has a problem with a pat down meant to keep us safe. We live in very dangerous times with many people around the world who want to KILL us. Perhaps if there were pat downs in September 2001, maybe the tragedy of 9-11 may have never occured. Stop the wining Susie, just because you are an American, does not give you the right to not be checked for explosives ort drugs….there are many people who call themselves Americans who wants to blow us up….and there are many American traitors who are corrupt and sell guns to our enemies and assist in drug smuggling….these are the times we live in.

  • Guido

    Uh, exactly how are they loony? Because I think you guys are crazier to blame a movement for something that happened prior to their existence. There was no such thing as the tea party prior to about April 15, 2009 when the first groups turned out spontaneously. It’s a disorganized movement with no particular membership requirement beyond wanting fiscal responsibility in government. I’ve pointed out before they only began to form when Rick Santelli stated we needed a new tea party on the floor of the NY stock exchange.

    I don’t think you can call them crazy for wanting the government to be fiscally responsible. I don’t think you can blame them for something prior to their existence. Besides, if someone were to come to a cause later than you, you shouldn’t attack them for not being there sooner; you should be thankful they’ve arrived at all. That’s how I feel about people who are aware and upset now. At least they’re waking up at last.

    I also don’t know if you can blame someone’s poverty on their political opinions. If 400 people own most of the nation’s wealth, as you state, then no one has much responsibility for their wealth; it’s all someone else’s fault. I don’t subscribe to that.

    It’s interesting to read you think they’re voting against their interests. Should they be voting for free money, or what? They might be supporting what they genuinely believe is right, not what will give them freebies at the expense of others.

    In any case, democrats have led the war on poverty for the last 40+ years, during which we’ve seen the poor increase. The dems have been pushing for more and more government interference, but both sides have presided over the weakening of the dollar, globalization, and government expansion. They mush share responsibility.

    What’s actually wrong with Ryan’s plan?
    Because I think it’s nice that he’s trying to let people have their cake and eat it, too.

    I think it’s unreasonable and too weak. It’s really a trial balloon. Even if it’s passed, it’s merely a suggestion-they can’t make the next budget any smaller than this one. In that respect, it’s largely symbolic. Mere theater.

    The only true solution here is to immediately cut to the bone everything until we’re not bleeding red. We can’t afford to wait 20 years for things to even out. And I think it’s time we face the fact that we can’t pay for all these social programs.

    Regardless of what you want funded, there isn’t cash in the kitty to pay for it. So it’s time to cut back everything to what we can afford. It’s time we as a nation lived within our means, just like we as private citizens do.

    They aren’t doing it, tho. They’re not learning. They’re not moving with a sense of purpose. This crisis will devour us all if we don’t take it seriously. If they don’t make the tough decisions now, when they have a chance, circumstances will make those decisions for them later when they don’t have a chance.

  • Mr Carpenter

    Tim and WM, there is a vast difference between a woman CHOOSING to pose for certain photos which would be considered inappropriate if left out for children to see, and being FORCED to capitulate to an onerus “pat-down”.

    Unfortunately, in our country – the now Banana Republic of Amerika – it is not possible to retain citizen’s God given rights to travel without having multiple violations against your dignity, personhood and rights – by a group of people who have no intentions of having any of this same thing happen to THEM – since they fly hither and yon in government aircraft paid for we saps (taxpayers), and are therefore fully exempt from having this “pat-down”.

    Apart from the fact that the whole TSA system is fatally flawed from the git-go, as far as bringing safety to air travel. It is really truly a tool being used to denegrate and force the population to cow-tow to the powers that be.

    If safety really were the concern, the government would have looked at what the Israelis do, and copied it. They did not.

    Actions speak volumes louder than words.

  • Lilly

    Gotta love the Obots who claim the Tea Party “supported Bush” when the Tea Party did not even exist while Bush was in power.

    The glory of lefty history revisionists could not be better demonstrated. Like it or not Lefties, your man is going down.

  • rebel yell

    Xander cross:

    You might want ot be careful about what you say. You did not hear from the Tea Party in 2001 because they were not around then. They did not begin until around the 2008 election. That might be why no one heard from them.

    Just saying…

  • Jmac

    A bit of a panic? Man, how stupid are you? Research it. Look into it. If the debt ceiling is not raised the US defaults on its debt. That is economic armageddon. Quite literally the entire global financial infrastructure would collapse. To suggest even toying with this quite clearly proves that you are a complete moron. Unbvelievable, totally unbelievable. I mean, how stupid are you? I’m surprised you can string two words tother. Do your knuckles drag on the ground when you walk? I really want to know. Oh and if you’re not sure what I’m referring to, your knuckles are those places where your fingers bend.

  • Scott

    Tim and WM,
    So if I’m understanding your logic here, if your wife or daughters go to a public beach or swimming pool in a bikini, that’s implicit authorization for someone to come up and grope their breasts or feel their vagina?

    You and your warped logic makes me sick.

  • Beth Page

    Your poor grammar as well as your ignorance of what is happening to our country is a further sign that the country as a whole is practically hopeless. You are all a bunch of idiots and deserve what you get. A handful of true patriots such as the Tea Party cannot possibly save this sinking ship of fools. But God bless them for trying.

  • bloody barn boots

    IF i never had to break a sweat, not eat the toxic waste in our stores, buy anything i want and have someone else go buy it for me and have access to everyones Credit cards.. I would FEAR not raising the debt limit too… Fatten up boys .for you have become the cattle .and the hungry sheeple have become carnivorous.

  • Xander cross

    @ Lilly who said that I voted or supported obama? This proves my point about the tea party

  • booga

    he should be arrested for treason, him bernanke, paulson, turd geithner, the whole lot of them

  • WM

    Scott….Comments well taken. To answer your question, No. However, going to a swimming pool or beach and getting on an airplane are 2 vastly different situations. Does it make me angry that we are now being prodded by TSA workers, of course! But my point is that something has to be done, be it body checks or scans. With security becoming more of an issue, we need to be checking everyone who gets into a plane, if you are not carrying an explosive device, than just deal with it and consider it an uncomfortable situation. By the way, my wife would have to be checked by a woman…does it bother me? Doesn’t make me leap for joy, but like I said, these are dangerous times, and I’d rather get on the plane knowing that all the passengers have been “groped” for explosives rather than be blown up.

  • Incriminally Sane

    If history has any value whatsoever, I’ll bet that just before the voting takes place in Washington D.C. there will be some kind of MASSIVE CATASTROPHE to redirect peoples attention completely away from the entire debt ceiling issue.

    Knowing that just before they are going to be voting in the middle of May on this issue, they have ever so conveniently scheduled a National Level exercise that will be “Simulating” the collapse of the Madrid Fault. Now, with their track record of 3 out of 3 exercises turning to real “Terror” events and happening exactly according to the “Exercise” planning, I would venture to guess that there would be about a 100% chance this so called “Exercise” will turn into a real event to “Distract” the people from the entire debt ceiling scam voting that the useless congress will sell us out on no matter what happens.

  • Guido

    Actually, if we don’t raise the debt ceiling, not much will change. In case you don’t know how government works, they come out with budgets for everything before the current fiscal year ends, which is in September.

    Currently, the gov, due to Congress abdicating on their responsibilities (blame the demo majority last year) and not passing a budget for this year, is essentially running on last year’s budget. It threw a ton of monkeywrenches in the works.

    For instance, spending in many areas was halted or limited and hiring for some positions was halted and the positions canceled so money could be shuffled around. I know a guy who is a contractor and they’re sending him on more trips because the contract is paid up at the start of the year while they have to shuffle money around from other earmarked items for gov’t workers to travel. When the shutdown loomed and all the gov’t workers were told to go home and not work, he told me the contractors would still be in their offices, working while everyone else was gone. The government wouldn’t suddenly halt work if the debt ceiling is hit. Instead, most things would continue to function for months.

    While it would probably cause a crisis of confidence in the government and the economy, well, when the next day dawned and nothing changed, people would probably start to relax a little. It’s not the end of the world.

    In any case, the republicans will cave. They always do. They didn’t do themselves any favors when they sold out to the dems for a few million in spending cuts that were going to expire, anyway.

    I think we need to stop this debt ceiling nonsense. It’s time we stopped spending what we don’t have and spend only what taxes will cover and reign in all other spending. When they calculate the budget and deficits these days, they’re not even factoring in the billions in unfunded mandates. We’re in serious trouble and this insanity must absolutely stop.

  • Terry

    These feel-ups do nothing to enhance security. Muslim women tell TSA what they are allowed to do. The muslim savages who want to kill random non-muslims will not bother with a serious attempt on a plane (but if some fool approaches them and wants to be a martyr they will gladly give them a bomb and maybe they will “get lucky”). If the fool gets caught, too bad (the real terrorists think “no skin off my a**”).
    Not raising the ceiling does not mean default. It just means we have reached the limit on the card and cannot have more. JMAC seems to think that we must keep borrowing forever or that our creditors will keep loaning forever. At some point they will decide to stop throwing good money after bad.
    We do not have to worry about being replaced as the largest economy by 2016. That will happen long before then. It bears repeating that our creditors will help us with our debt problem at a time of their choosing.
    Too bad that unlike Iceland we will not get to vote on whether to bail out the banksters. F**k them and just outright default. This is exactly what they do when they make a bad investment decision.
    The Ryan plan is way too timid. Sorry, but current SS recipients must feel some of the pain. They voted for the people who told them they could have a 25 year paid vacation and someone else would pay for it. Sorry, but I will not be taxed into poverty so the baby boom crowd can spend the last 25 years of their life going to the early bird buffets and hitting the casinos.
    At least a 60% across the board spending cut will be required.
    Probably 60-75% of our federal government agencies should disappear. The drones who populate these agencies would just have to find something productive to do (this would be like living a horror movie for them).
    The real insanity is that government is such a huge portion of our economy. A ship that top heavy would capsize as soon as it hit the water. Government produces nothing.
    I did complain about the idea of creating the TSA. It was obvious that it would become just another huge useless bureaucracy that accomplished nothing other than spend someone else’s money and create jobs for people who would otherwise have to work for a living (many of whom are not qualified to say “welcome to Wal-Mart”).

  • J2201987

    The US debt is an incident of Biblical proportions. But with politicians saying if the debt ceiling is not raised within the near NEAR future all economic hell will be unleashed, but wouldn’t economic hell ensue eventually if the dc were raised? I mean it’s pretty safe to assume there’s no way we or future generations (because they have been dumbed down to the point that they cannot make correct change of paying for a happy meal out of $5) are going to solve or repay our national debt anyway. Now it’s just a matter of if you want to jump off the cliff today, or wait two, three, ten days/months/years from now.

    As far as the tea partiers go, it never occurred to me of the possibility that their reputation could have been sabotaged. While engaging in a conversation with a person downtown who is in the movement, he would tell me that some random people would purposely make posters and signs with racial slurs against the President and first lady/family, while those same random people would take pictures of those signs only to later plaster them all over the internet. Unfortunately, due to the pc indoctrination of America, most of their actual grievances go unnoticed, only to be labeled crazy, racist, a loons.

  • Irresponsible people talk crap in front of the media… The Republicans are focusing on the debt ceiling because they aren’t doing shit about the budget. Balance the budget and the debt ceiling becomes irrelevant.

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  • erikph7

    It’s really sad to see the maturity level of some comments here equal to that of an eight year old. The powers that be really do a good job of playing on the short sightedness of ignorant people. To rule and control one must first devide. Division creates confusion and disunity. It creates anger at one another and distrust. As long as there is division, evil will conquer, and our freedoms will cease to exsist. We have unfortunately crossed the threshold of turning back, as it appears in our nations short history.

  • Thumbs1964 Channel

    As A Debt Ceiling=666

    English Base 6 Gematria, AKA: Applying Revelation

  • Mr Carpenter

    Perhaps, jmac, the government should simply be forced to live within its actual means, which could even involve staying within their legal and Constitutional limits…. what a novel idea!

    After all, I and 99% of the world’s population, not to mention many responsible governments and companies, all can manage to live within our means.

    Of course, if “I” or “You” dear jmac, were to take to onus on ourselves to print up dollars in our basement, it would be considered “counterfieting” and we would quite rightly go to jail if found guilty in a court of law.

    So, my dear jmac, why does “the Federal Reserve” which is neither federal nor have any reserves (but is in fact, nothing more than an entity owned by the banksters) – why can “they” simply print money out of nothing? Hmmmmmm?

    97% of the value of the dollar has evaporated since 1913 when the Federal Reserve came into place. It came into place when the bankers took over the congress by bribes.

    We the people have been suckered and have been suckered for longer than most of us have been alive.

  • ScoutMotto

    The federal government has absolutely no intent on balancing the budget or paying down/off the national debt. They are Marxists, and their goal is to destroy this nation and enslave everyone to the bank. Until we stop the fighting between Demican and Republicrat, no progress will be made. It will be business as usual. Anyone notice the precious metals rising fast lately? That’s an indicator of something rather bad. This is a prec-conceived plan to destroy what’s left of our freedoms and end our rights to property.

  • Tanarus

    Nice try at smearing Tea Party folks…
    The fact is, if we did it your way, we’d all be living in cardboard boxes eating Government rationed cheese. No thanx!

  • As much as I’d like to see Gay marriage allowed, it is still a state concern. Just as Obama feels about it. The US Supreme Court will probably rule in favor of Prop 8 if it goes that far.

  • So is it over? The American debt predicament. Will Senate, politicians reach a decision? They need to get their show together. This difficulty is international. In england, David Cameron welcomed the President’s last-minute accord to put up the American borrowing constraint. In a statement, a spokesman for the PM who is in Italy on vacation said the decision had aided to guarantee “stability across the worldwide economy”.

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