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guantanamo tortureGood guys do not sadistically torture people.  Good guys do not threaten to sexually abuse the family members of their prisoners, and they certainly do not forcibly ram things up the rear ends of those in their custody.  One of the greatest dangers that our country is facing is the fact that we are not passing on what it means to be “American” to future generations.  Once upon a time, Americans were the good guys.  But now, instead of fighting the Nazis we are behaving just like them.  The details of the Senate torture report that was just released are almost too horrifying to talk about.  We must talk about them though, because we are losing our soul as a nation.  So please be warned – this article is going to be quite graphic.  The reason for this is so that we can all take a long, hard, honest look at what we have become.  After everything that has happened, top politicians from both political parties are still standing up and defending those that conducted and authorized this torture.  The rest of the world is watching this, and the number of people that are absolutely convinced that America is pure evil is growing by the day.  By not loudly condemning this torture and bringing the perpetrators to justice, we add fuel to the fire of those that hate this country, and we make it more likely that Americans will be targets of violence all over the planet.

There are very few people that are more outspoken about the evil of Islamic terrorism than I am.  But there is no way that we will ever defeat Islamic terrorists by becoming just like them.

When I was growing up, I was taught that Americans never torture their prisoners.  That was something that the Russians, the Nazis, the Chinese and the North Koreans did.  We were the “good guys”, and so I was taught that we always treated our prisoners humanely.

Oh how things have changed.

The following is a summary of some of the details from the Senate torture report that just came out.  As a nation, we should be deeply, deeply ashamed of what our government has been doing…

-We kept prisoners awake in “stress positions” for 180 hours

-We waterboarded prisoners until they started vomiting

-One prisoner died of hypothermia while chained to the floor

-At least five prisoners were subjected to a procedure known as “rectal feeding

-Prisoners were routinely paraded around naked with their hands shackled above their heads

-One detainee was “chained to the ceiling, clothed in a diaper, and forced to go to the bathroom on himself

-Prisoners were regularly subjected to mock executions during which they believed that they were about to be killed

-U.S. interrogators regularly threatened to physically harm, rape and sexually abuse the families of prisoners

And of course this report only focused on a small portion of the prisoner abuse that has been going on all over the world for more than a decade.

Once again, I want to warn you that the material in this next section is quite graphic.

But Americans need to be faced with the horrific truth.  That is the only way that things will ever change.

The sadistic behavior of American personnel at the Abu Ghraib Confinement Facility in 2003 is almost too horrible for words.  The following are highlights from an official U.S. Army report about the events that took place at that prison that you can find at nbcnews.com.  Are these the kinds of things that “good guys” would do?…

*Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet

*Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing

*Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear

*Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped

*Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them

*Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture

*Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture

*A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee

*Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee

*Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees

*Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick

Have you seen enough yet?

But perhaps even more disturbing is the way that the rest of the country is responding to these revelations.

Where is the overwhelming public outrage?

Where are the calls for those involved in all of this torture to be fired from their jobs and arrested?

It has now been documented that the CIA blatantly lied to Congress and to the American people over and over about their sadistic torture of prisoners.

So who is being held accountable?

Who is losing their jobs at the CIA?

Who is going to prison?

Sadly, the truth is that this torture report will be “news” for about 48 hours and then it will disappear from the news cycle.

And Barack Obama sounds like he has absolutely no intention of ever holding anyone accountable for what happened.  The following is an excerpt from a statement that he just made regarding this terror report…

“No nation is perfect. But one of the strengths that makes America exceptional is our willingness to openly confront our past, face our imperfections, make changes and do better. Rather than another reason to refight old arguments, I hope that today’s report can help us leave these techniques where they belong—in the past. Today is also a reminder that upholding the values we profess doesn’t make us weaker, it makes us stronger and that the United States of America will remain the greatest force for freedom and human dignity that the world has ever known.”

The “greatest force for freedom and human dignity”?

He has got to be kidding us.

And of course neocons such as Dick Cheney are staunchly defending the use of torture…

Former Bush vice president Dick Cheney staunchly defended the interrogation program, telling the New York Times it was ‘absolutely, totally justified’.

He denied the CIA withheld any information, and emphasized the program had been vetted by the Justice Department.

‘As far as I’m concerned, they ought to be decorated, not criticized,’ he said of the CIA interrogators.

When our politicians make statements such as this, they make the world a more dangerous place for Americans.

Right now, there are hundreds of millions of people around the planet that truly believe that the United States is the most wicked nation on the globe.  And when we sadistically torture our prisoners, we give them a reason to feel that way.  Therefore they feel justified when they commit heinous acts of terror against us.

If we do not want the rest of the world to compare us to Nazi Germany, we have got to quit behaving like Nazi Germany.  And of course the torture of prisoners is just one area where this is true.  For many more, please see my previous article entitled “25 Signs That America Is Rapidly Becoming More Like Nazi Germany“.

Please share this article with as many people as you can.  I know that some of the material in this piece is quite graphic, but we have got to wake the American people up while we still have time.  Our nation is coming apart at the seams, and we desperately need a change in direction.

  • K

    Many of us have tried to tell people this for years. No all conspiracy theory. The simple fact is at least the current and one past administrations were and are war criminals. Now you know why on many occasions, I have referred to us, as the fascist states of america.

  • MissaJim

    There will be those who defend this based on the fact the people being tortured were muslim and “enemies” but they have to remember, what happens when they’re declared an enemy?

    I was raised that the US was above the Soviet Union, etc. What happened?

    • Jobe

      Well, the Soviet Union is dead, but Russia seems to be making more sense, and China has become an economic powerhouse. Not what we expected from the end of the cold war huh?

      • englishvinal

        Time to move yet? Or are you still waving your little Chinese made American Flag and telling yourself that you are “patriotic”?

    • PPTA

      I can agree with you. We have drugs that will do a better job than water-boarding, and hey have been around a long time. I wonder why they didn’t ue them?

      • englishvinal

        Because waterboarding was more entertaining… and that is a fact.

        These politicians such as Cheney and Bush and Obama….. and on down to those “Thank you for Your Service” uniformed “boys” …. who have been trained to be psychopaths, ARE indeed psychopaths.

        Wake up…. these are not normal or nice people we are dealing with.

        Watch “The Walking Dead” TV show… the people who still “feel” and “love” and “care” are the few who are still human… and the rest of the creatures that are out there are the flesh eating, blood drinking, zombies who want nothing more than to INFECT the remaining humans who still have souls…. and turn them.

    • No Wrong…Many who are informed agreed with these Interrogations Techniques because it saved a lot of lives, American lives as well as these Interrogations were used on Al Qaeda suspects in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks that eventually led to the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and to the killing of Osama bin Laden and other High Ranking Al Qaeda terror leaders…

      That’s why I agree with them…This is not a regular conventional war, why can’t you folks understand that….These are like no enemy we have ever faced and must do what we must to protect ourselves…

      Secondly, yes, I agreed because they are rag headed, head hunting honor killing pedophiliac sand monkey Muslims…

      • englishvinal

        Another well indoctrinated Psychopath speaks~!!!
        HELLO… Jeffery…… bare your rotting teeth you stinking “walking dead”….

        • Story

          The fun part is they’ll behead you first…. it’s what they do.

          • Gay Veteran

            they’ll behead you IF you are stupid enough to be in THEIR country

          • Erika K Moureau

            WRONG!!! They’ll behead you wherever they can find you…..UK in 2013…..USA this year! Get your gay head out of the sand, EINSTEIN!

          • Gay Veteran

            oh the HORROR!!!!!!!!!
            ONE person here was beheaded!
            everyone wet their pants, them islamofascists are coming!!!
            though of course you have a much higher chance of being killed by the cops than by terrorists.

      • Gay Veteran

        spoken like a true fascist.
        government screams TERRORIST in order to seize more power, shred out constitutional rights, and give $TRILLIONS to the military-industrial-surveillance complex

      • Sounds like you Watch wayy too much TV for your “FACTS” instead of really getting to know some of the Top Veteran Insiders…

      • Gay Veteran

        “…these Interrogations Techniques because it saved a lot of lives….”

        pure BS

    • englishvinal

      Remember the common statement that we here in the “land of the free”… used to exchange regarding what we believed of Russia?

      “Papers please Comrade”…and we were all so disgusted that there could be a place on earth where people had so little freedom, and were so beaten down by the “state”?

      Remember that?…..
      Well, we are DOWN there now, and Russia is headed up the swing of the eternal pendulum… they have more personal freedom by far than we do today.
      What happened?
      POLITICIANS and propaganda happened…. the politicians in the US live like kings and potentates while YOU live from day to day trying to keep the ends meeting…. and very VERY soon you will not be able to keep those ends together….

      1/3rd of the children in the US live BELOW the poverty line now……. and the politicians drive Mercedes, fly in private jets, vacation on the white sand beaches of Spain (with 40 of their ‘little friends and a couple of million dollars worth of security and lavish perks), …. on the MONEY (aka blood) that is squeezed out of YOUR veins…

      Yes,… what happened?

    • Gay Veteran

      in our triumphalism we have become the Soviet Union

  • Tatiana Covington

    War is hell. In Hell there are no rules. That’s why they call it Hell.

    • T.

      NOT why it is called Hell. Try on some Eternal Blackness, Falling continually, Burning without end, and Remembering forever…………………………………………………………………………………….
      Without Hope of EVER escaping Any of the Torment……Forever……….And…………………………..Ever………………..

  • Kim

    it is amazing what man can do to man.

    • PPTA

      No it isn’t. Have you forgotten the headless American bodies hanging from a Iraq bridge? How about that CNN cameraman that went with the Muslim snipers, and shot and killed a American at a check point? That cameraman could have prevented that. he didn’t. he wanted the money for shooting that murder. Do you remember that? Talk to some of the men, and women, that came home after the first war with Iraq, and then the second war with Iraq. What do you think ISIS would do o any of us? Cookies and Milk?

      • Kim

        now I havent. I stand by my comments and I still say it is amazing what man is capable of doing to his own kind. we destroy ourselves.

        • PPTA

          I can understand your point, I also do not believe in torture. however, have you ever looked into the hell of a all out no holds bared fire fight? Have you ever tried to stop a mans bleeding while you are holding him and the fire fight is still on? Ever watched your medics being shot to death? Ever come upon a village and see what these lower than animals can do to the villagers? Not just the men, but the kids and omen also? Lie I said, I do not believe in the torture, there are drugs that work even better. But these people we are, and have been fighting for well over 200 years, are fighting a holy war. they do not think like you or any other Western person. Thomas Jefferson was the first president to put US Marines on American Ships to protect them from Muslim Pirates. He also sent two companies of Marines to Tripoli to get a treaty sign, and the US Marines did just that. I will say again, no toture, but we had better fight to win. And if you think my description of things is wrong, Ask a Nam Vet, a WW2 vet from the Islands and or china. Some time read the Rape of Nanking 1937, you can find it on the internet, yes war is totally insane. A vet can not really describe it properly. To win this war, I do not think Western Man has the courage to fight this war to win. It will have to be Gods war, not ours, like in the old Testament, when Giddeon was told by God, stand still, this is my fight.

          • englishvinal

            Marines were put on ships to prevent the sailors from the continual mutinies that were taking place, that is the reason that the Navy STILL hates the Marines…
            Read some history and stop making red white and blue alibis for the invasion of over 200 sovereign countries that the US has conducted FOR PROFIT and LAND confiscation over the last 200 years….

          • PPTA

            What I mentioned is history. The mission of the ship board marines were to protect the merchant American Sailors. A bit further into history, the term Leather Neck. The ship board Marines wore a stiff leather collar to prevent a sword strike to decapitate them by a Muslim Sword. Thus the term, Leather Necks. Look up with yur search engine to see what Thomas Jefferson did or didn’t do. Another bit of history you do not want to read, when the Entrance Fort was taken and secured, the Sheik signed the peace treaty, and also presented a sword to the Captain who was in charge of the two companies of marines that ran off about 2000 Muslim Defenders. That sword became the pattern for the Marine Dress sword they still use today. Like I said, we have actually been at war with the Muslims since we became a Nation, off and on. And, the Muslims have been at war with Christians, Jews, and others from India and Tibet, since around 900 AD. These ISIS fighters, and others in the Jihad, do not think like human Beings from the West. There will be no peace. One last bit of history, concerning the father of the Muslims, Arabs, Ismael, Genesis 16, verse 11, And the Angle of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shall bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord has heard thy affliction. Verse 12, And he will be a Wild Man; his hand will be against every man, and every mans hand will be against him; and he shall dell in the presence of all his brethren. Genesis 17, verse 20, And as for Ishmael, I have heard of thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him into a great nation. For the covenant made with Isaac, Sarah’s son with Abraham, Read Genesis 17.

          • Gay Veteran

            ISIS is only a problem for us if America continues its imperial aggression in the middle east

          • PPTA

            They want the world. That is the only problem. They want Europe, North America, South America, Australia and parts of Russia. You are not payig attention to where they actually are.

          • Gay Veteran

            are you high? they’re driving around in a bunch of Toyota trucks.
            quit wetting your pants

          • PPTA

            Also in Iraq and Syria, in captured American Abrams tanks, humvees and Bradleys, given to the Iraq Defense force when the US pulled out. I suggest you take a look at Europe, Germany in particular where many Muslims now want Sharia Law. Or the UK, France, Sweeden, Finland, want me to go on?

          • Gay Veteran

            oh noez! 175 tanks!
            quick, beg Big Brother to save us!

          • Gay Veteran

            “…But these people we are, and have been fighting for well over 200 years, are fighting a holy war. they do not think like you or any other Western person….”

            NOT a problem IF America doesn’t illegally have military forces in those countries.

            As George Washington said: no foreign entanglements.

            And if you want more disgusting torture, look up American torture in the Philippines after we defeated the Spanish.

            “…To win this war, I do not think Western Man has the courage to fight this war to win. It will have to be Gods war, not ours, And fight it, he will. Soon.”

            sounds like you need to march down to your local Army recruiting center and SIGN UP.
            otherwise keep us out of your psycho drama, because not all of us are wetting our pants over the “islamofascists”

          • Gary John 金白龍

            Jews are at the heart of most of America’s problems.

          • Gay Veteran

            bilge

          • PPTA

            I feel sorry for you. By the way, enlighten us about American Torture in the Philippines after the Spanish American war, also what countries we have illegal troops in, and who was it that blew up thee twin towers? March down to the recruiter center, did that more than likely before you were even born. Free speech is so great it even allows garbage to talk. interesting. But even more interesting, those who believe garbage talking,

          • Gay Veteran

            “…enlighten us about American Torture in the Philippines after the Spanish American war….”

            Google it, you’re retired, I work and don’t have time to school you.

            “…what countries we have illegal troops in….”

            Iraq, our war was a war of aggression, which is the foundation for all war crimes

            “…even more interesting, those who believe garbage talking,”

            you’re living proof of that

          • Gay Veteran

            “…and who was it that blew up thee twin towers?….”

            Saudi citizens who hijacked the planes, probably with the assistance of the Saudi government

      • Absolutely…This is like no other war we have ever fought, an enemy like no other we have been up against, and as cowardly as they are, they are equally horrifying when they are unopposed and face defenseless victims…
        These Interrogations saved lives, made captures possible, and targets accessible!

        This is such a one sided article that I am almost sure a Liberal wrote it!

        • Carrie

          The host of this site… isn’t a liberal.

        • englishvinal

          Try staying home and minding your own business instead of “going to war” at the behest of the obscenely wealthy oligarchs that own the politicians and Big Business…. who make the MONEY from the “wars” that you gullible propagandized fools die in………………
          And that includes ALL the “wars” …. the US has NEVER EVER been invaded by a foreign power….

          Every “war” that has ever been crafted has been for PROFITS… not honor and certainly not to “keep the women and children of the US “safe”….

          • Gay Veteran

            hey! no war profits without war

        • Gay Veteran

          defenseless victims? like the victims of our drone strikes?
          get a clue

        • LOL

          Wonder what you´ll say the day when you are brought before a secret tribunal and won´t even be able to use a chair because your cellmates wanted some socializing.

      • Carrie

        Don’t you GET IT? Those actions we find abhorrent in foreign cultures/religions are the identical actions we merrily take against people as well — all the while pretending we are any better! We cannot on one hand say that our supposed enemies are cruel and evil, while on the other hand doing precisely the same things we “conveniently” claim stink about them.

        I’m so proud of this author’s bravery to stand up and acknowledge some fugly truths about our otherwise wonderful country. The USA is still the finest place to be, or with minor differences of opinion, then among the top five… but who cares how “great” America supposedly is if we really in fact pull the same evil garbage as our enemies.

        • Gay Veteran

          sarc on
          Carrie, it’s not torture if America does it.
          sarc off

      • englishvinal

        The bodies hanging from that bridge were MERCENARIES…… BLACKWATER JACK BOOTS…..
        Vicious, psychopathic, trained killers…. So you tell ME .. what were they doing over there, having afternoon tea?…
        That geographical area/nation/sovereign country… belonged to the people who were born there and the United States government had NO good business being there……………
        Follow the money and the thugs/goons that facilitate the vampires on high in getting the MONEY.

        • PPTA

          I understand, it is okay to mutilate, torture, murder, Americans, but by da** if they fight back, that is right down unfair. I am Musim, and anything I do to them, my enemy, is okay. Right.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, you invade a country (waging a war of aggression based on LIES) and the people there will fight against the foreign invader (that would be US)

          • PPTA

            What lies? Weapons of mass destruction, they were found, what isn’t in Iraq, went to Lebanon to a valley controlled by Syria. Besides, you didn’t answer the question. The only thing I see from Muslim fighters, cowardice. Kill the old, young, the women, the children, hide behind them and use them as shields, order them back to their homes, then fire rockets from those very homes. the unarmed. Cut off their heads, torture them. Kill civilians, even their own people. Water Boarding? Torture? Certain Military forces are trained to withstand water boarding. You sound more and more like a Muslim Bother Hood Member. Or some farb left media person. Which is it?

          • Gay Veteran

            still buying the neo-con lies, eh?
            we wouldn’t have to worry about “terrorists” IF we stopped propping up the dictators in the middle east, IF we stop our wars of aggression.
            And you sound like a chickenhawk, oh so willing to send OTHERS to fight. How about you march down to your local Army recruiting center and SIGN UP

          • PPTA

            Been there, done that. And one thing your not, a veteran. You may be gay, but I doubt it. If you are a vet, which Jihad? Tell me, what is a combat patch?????

          • Gay Veteran

            well junior, I spent 4 years at Ft. Sam Houston, worked in medical research.

            and once again: How about you march down to your local Army recruiting center and SIGN UP

          • PPTA

            Been there, done that, and I certainly was not in medical research. If that was what you were in. Medical research, back when I was in was in a different location, and done by civilians under the guise of the Military. Your story is just that. You are a fake.

          • Gay Veteran

            Institute For Surgical Research.
            coward

          • Retired_Soldier

            Over there with the other dogs and pigs.

          • Gay Veteran

            no, don’t know your family members

          • PPTA

            Changed my mind. no sense in even answering you. Do all of us a favor, check into your nearest mental institution as soon as possible before you hurt your self..

          • Gay Veteran

            in other words you’re running away with your tail tucked between your legs

          • PPTA

            I make it a point not to waste my time with a troll, Muslim, or a mental case

          • Gay Veteran

            mental case? looking into a mirror, eh
            now run along little boy before you get another whipping

          • Retired_Soldier

            Yep there it is! No combat! So STFU.

          • Gay Veteran

            You think I’m giving up my right to free speech to the likes of you?!?!?
            you can go f yourself with a rusty chainsaw

          • Retired_Soldier

            REMF!!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            yes, because only combat veterans are allowed to have an opinion.
            oh wait, that’s the fascist society in Starship Troopers

          • Retired_Soldier

            Why don’t you? Or dou you already have papers sying “Other than Honorable Conditions?

          • Gay Veteran

            left the Army honorably with the rank of captain.

            guess you were discharged for other designated physical and mental conditions (i.e., personality disorder)

          • Retired_Soldier

            Your nothing but a REMF

          • Gay Veteran

            and you are a psychopath supporting torture

          • Retired_Soldier

            Why don’t you go back to torturing your pigs … isn’t that what you did for four years

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, you’re a real moron, it was medical research to save burn patients (military and civilian)

          • LOL

            You´ll be a gay veteran too after your arrest on charges of, uh… Oh right, no need to tell.

          • Retired_Soldier

            Honorable Discharge 30 years service. But you … your a REMF and always will be.

          • Gay Veteran

            and you as a supporter of torture are a disgrace to the uniform

          • PPTA

            Retired Soldier, I looked up and researched the Institute for Surgical Research. Imteresting. here is such a place, The Army is in command, but, they hire a lot of civilians also students. This Gay Veteran Guy, doubt if he has ever seen combat, also doubt he has ever been in the United States Military. possibly service in a Muslim Country fighting the West? Don’t know. He doesn’t speak like a vet, he doesn’t know what a combat patch is, and I am sure he doesn’t know anything about our military except what he has read, or been told. He is just another mouthy wana-be to me. Not worth any more of my time. He certainly doesn’t know what he is talking about.

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, you know all that without knowing me, incredible!
            hey junior, I had a 3 year Army ROTC scholarship.
            coward

          • Retired_Soldier

            REMF

          • Retired_Soldier

            Your right he’s not worth any more of my time. But he can’t go to any of middle East country … he’d be put to death because of his admitted orientation, but he puts America down for those who would put him to death instantly. IMHO he’s a few cans short of a six pack.

          • Gay Veteran

            LOL, well I’m willing to bet you’re nothing but a pimple faced 15 year old playing Call To Duty in mommy’s basement.
            btw, condemning our war crimes is not putting American down

          • Retired_Soldier

            You’re nothing but a REMF who tortures animals, and easily forgets that all actions the Agency took were ran through Justice, and Nancy Pelosi first.
            Another thing I’m over 70, and have seen and heard a lot of *holes; and you fit right in with that group.

          • Gay Veteran

            what’s wrong, you get tired of playing Call of Duty in mommy’s basement?

            “…all actions the Agency took were ran through Justice….

            you seem to forget that everything that happened in Hitler’s Germany was also “legal”.
            COWARD

          • PPTA

            Still not answering the question.

          • Gay Veteran

            or maybe you just don’t like the answer

          • Retired_Soldier

            You mean like the lie you’re repeating?

          • Gay Veteran

            what lie? I was talking about Iraq

          • Retired_Soldier

            I know dumbass

          • Gay Veteran

            now I understand, you’re one of those psychopaths who still support our war of aggression against Iraq.
            man, you were born too late to join the Waffen SS

          • Gay Veteran

            if you want to fight because some mercenaries got killed then head down to your local Army recruiting center and SIGN UP

      • Gay Veteran

        “No it isn’t. Have you forgotten the headless American bodies hanging from a Iraq bridge?….”

        you mean the mercenaries?
        you wage a war of aggression against a country, payback if a bi t*h

        • Retired_Soldier

          Hey GAH why don’t you go live with them?

          • Gay Veteran

            because I prefer a constitutional republic, which is what America was.

          • Retired_Soldier

            Representative Republic … guess you got that degree from the internet.

          • Gay Veteran

            so I’m wrong, eh?

            from the Madison Project:

            We the People: A Constitutional Republic, Not a Democracy

            “…Most people often mistakenly refer to our nation as the greatest democracy on earth. They are mistaken because we are not an absolute democracy; we are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. That is what makes our nation great, for if we were merely a democracy, we would be anything but great. And to the extent that we no longer function as a constitutional republic, that greatness is rapidly ebbing away….”

          • Retired_Soldier

            GIGO

          • Gay Veteran

            pathetic, incapable of thinking for yourself

      • Just Sayin´

        Good thing that Saddam Hussein was deposed, before Iraq could seize the east coast.
        Also, so the noble and peaceful muslims are now fully free to follow the teachings and life example of the most noble prophete Mohamed, who contrary to some wicked rumours, was civilized and a true freedom fighter.
        Thanks to the campaigns of democracy, the number of muslims coming to the US in order to practice their religion more freely is growing every day and by doing so, are enriching US society just as what happened in London and Paris.
        Praise Patriots like Cheney, Reince Priebus, Karl Rove and soon, President Hillary Clinton.

        For all that has been achieved, I thank them and I thank you.

    • Carrie

      Agreed, Kim. Amazing, shocking, and chilling. I see why our Government tried to keep this so hidden. We will be facing major backlash now that this has officially come out. There go travel plans! We already keep our blue passports hidden as it is when traveling, but now it may be worth staying home.

      On another note, since you’re a vegan (and I’m in a mostly vegetarian household), we see cruelty through an even finer lens. Many skin-wearing, corpse-eating people will never see what the big deal is to inflict cruelty on “those other people”.

      Pet your kitty for me (hubby is allergic, can’t pet them myself!)

      • englishvinal

        Well Carrie, maybe you should have thought of the eventual consequences when “The Gulf War” was happening…. or when Smirky Bush was ranting about non-existent “Weapons of Mass Destruction”…..

        Maybe YOU should have stood up and said “NO NO NO… NOT in my name”… then at least your conscience would be lighter today.

        • Carrie

          Yes, my voice indeed would have mattered… as much as if I’d shouted , “NO, NO, NO… NOT in my name” at the sun for coming up every morning on my horizon.

          And although I was too young to know what war was back then, all I recall was the democrats saying to Bush was, “Of COURSE Saddam has WMD! YOUR father, Bush, Sr., SOLD them to him!” I really don’t understand how they didn’t correct themselves after Saddam seemingly “never” had them even though half of America was saying yes-he-does-but-only-because-of-republicans.

          • Gay Veteran

            Republicans=Democrats

          • PPTA

            They were there. about three weeks ago they were found in IRAQ. or do you know that. The majority went to a storage weapons bunker system, in Lebanon, right on the Syria border. Three convoys of them from Iraq through Syria to Lebanon.

            There will NEVER be any reasoning with these people, never any peace based on Western Theology. They simply do not think like we do. They believe they should kill, lie and dispose of all non believers.Any way they can. .

          • Gay Veteran

            “…The weapons [produced during the Iraq-Iran war] destroyed through early 2009, the newly released report said, included some that contained chemical agents, others that were corroded and degraded, and some that appeared to have been previously demilitarized but that the United States destroyed “to err on the side of safety and security.”….”
            yeah, they were SUCH a threat

        • Figures

          You idiot. First Gulf War? What about Beirut 83? I’ll play this game all day long with you.

          • Gay Veteran

            Beirut 1983?
            the consequences of sticking our nose into the Lebanon civil war.
            Those marines would be alive IF we had heeded George Washgingon:
            NO foreign entanglements

  • Guest

    we have passed the rubicon

  • Jobe

    What I find interesting about this is how many headlines are saying “CIA lied to the American people,” as if the then Pres and VP had absolutely no knowledge of what was taking place. Where does the buck stop? And why aren’t they being tried as war criminals?

    • AS well as did the Democrats….Their hands are deep in this too.

      • krinks

        Amazing isn’t it? I was watching Amy Goodman of Democracy Now speak on this and in typical leftist fashion she only mentioned Republicans as being liable for this. Such one sidedness is the main reason leftists/liberals are a sick joke.

    • America started the war in Ukraine….

  • PPTA

    This was no BY-Partisan report. Much was left out. Democrats, the far left communist ones, like that Dianne Feinstein. I listened to her this morning and gagged. I do not believe in torture either, but I do believe in truth. Before you jump to conclusions, look up the in-put info and who decided what to put in it. I also listend to another person speak besides her. I trust a Democrat, or anyone in this administration, about as far as I can throw my truck. And face it, John McCain, I use to rally respect him, until he became head Rino. He should have just switched parties.

    • K

      Both parties are equally corrupt. Put not your trust in any man. Watch how the Republicans approve almost a billion dollars to help the illegals, Obama just made legal, And watch next year the 101 ways they sell out America just as fast.

    • englishvinal

      I hope PPTA.. that you are not implying that “Republicans” are somehow different or better?

      PLUEEEZE…………………..!!!!

      • PPTA

        If you think I like Boehner, the Republican House Speaker, or the GOP Leader ship for the party, your nuts.I am sick to beyond reason with the Good Ole Boy Republicans. That said, I also will never vote again for a Democrat, why, they are the only party who booed and hissed the Lord when they put him back in their platform during the last election for President. I am a independent voter, I was a Democrat, since 1996 and all the secret info from Los Alamos went to china, then Clinton received all that money from the Red Army of China for his campaign for re-election. Leadership changes are needed badly in both partys’. Who am I for, the working people, who built this country, who fights the wars, pays the taxes, supports the police, military, the first responders, the teachers, that is who I am for, no matter what race or color. I am married to a Native American registered on the Rose Bud reservation where she was born. I served my country. my kids served also, so did my parents and grandparents . Am I conservative, some, do I think people need a helping hand, at times, yes I do, but they better be Americans who immigrated here the right way, like millions of others through the years. Not the criminals I see sneaking in here today. I do not mind my tax dollar going to help a American who needs Health Care, a Education, Food, Housing, Clothing, we are a great enough nation to do that. But save the world? The illegals are just that, illegal. I don’t care what country they are from, You Go To Their Home Country, Illegally , sneak in, then demand what they demand here, and see how long you will rot in Jail. We are the only country in the World that allows that. There, now you know for sure what I believe in. If you don’t like it, tough.

    • Gay Veteran

      Republican=Democrat

  • DJohn1

    It all comes down to one thing. Who watches the policeman? Who in this case watches over and controls the people doing this kind of thing? Who approves this behavior so it can go on?
    If the answer is the buck stops here. Then we need to seriously evaluate that person and possibly get them out of a position of authority. That person has crossed a line that shouldn’t be crossed.

    • englishvinal

      DJOhn…… YOU DO~!… You and me and every other “U.S. citizen”……….
      WE bear the responsibility for “watching” these psychopathic politicians…. and standing UP and screaming NO~!
      Clearly YOU didn’t do that did you?

      • DJohn1

        There are times when all of us have failed to do something about these people.
        One of the facts is that the deck is stacked against anyone that attempts to do something. You have two political intertwined parties and no one else gets elected. That is part of the problem.
        The other part of this problem is the money needed to do something. Corporations run the show. It wasn’t always like that.

        We did, in the 60s sit down with a newly elected Congressman and asked a lot of questions. That Congressman was from Ohio and his name was Whalen. Whalen went on to become one of those rebel congress people that asked a lot of questions before voting on anything.
        The tricky part of things right now is that we have a Democrat President and VIce President and a Republican Speaker of the House. That Speaker is two heart beats away from being President of this country.
        Everyone needs to keep a close eye on this Speaker because he is tricky as they get.

        Right now it is wheeler dealer time before the new Congress takes office.
        It will be interesting to see what difference it actually makes between the twins, Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb of both parties.
        All ready there are broken promises from the Republican side of things.

        In a parliamentary government, this bunch would have all ready be gone. In a republic such as our own, they are much harder to remove.

  • Democrats approved of the Interrogation Techniques as well as signed off and approved of Both Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan yet the Libturdles are still screaming that this was Exclusively Bushes War?

    WRONG!
    Have the Liberals ever ever ask themseves why the Democrats after all their threats and Sally Making didn’t precede to impeach Bush nor Cheney?

    Have they ever once asked themselves that?
    They stopped the impeachment preceding for the simple fact that their hands were soaking wet with the ink that signed off on those
    Interrogation Techniques and OH My, the WARS, Both of them….

    To impeach Bush and Cheney for War Crimes, these Democrats
    who signed off on the Wars and the torturing of these Muslims would have also indicted themselves you knuckleheaded Peckerwoods!

    The GOP controlled the house and senate for first 6 of 8 years. The last 2 years were controlled by the Democrats and they stamped their approval on everything Bush asked for for those 8 years….Everything!~

    If Bush is guilty then so is every single DEMOCRAT that voted with Bush because they were accomplices to the war. That is why all the “war crime rhetoric” is just that- DEMOCRATS flapping their jaws to hear themselves talk.

    Despite polls at the time showing that a majority of Americans wanted U.S. troops withdrawn from Iraq and support setting a deadline for their departure, the Democrats had voted to instead side with President Bush against the American people?

    The Democrats Approved Mass Surveillance and Torture as well as the two Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan…

    Nancy Pelosi – Approval of Torture and are to this day now accusing the CIA of lying when in fact she is covering for her silly little maniacal self…

    Pelosi along with other Democrats and their staff visited these Interrogation sights and prisons and even said to step up the Interrogations, not one objection were raised during their tour nor
    were they afterwards. Instead, at least two Democrat lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said. “The brieferwas specifically asked if the methods were tough enough,” said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange…….
    “Washington Post wrote in 2007.”

    You Liberals keep insinuating this was Bushes WAR….Have you so easily forgotten that all but a very small number of DEMOCRATS signed off on BUSHES WAR, I mean Congress and the Senates WAR?

    I know you Liberals have selected Memories, but come on, Bushes WAR, and we have come to know quite well that in Liberal circles EVERYTHING is BUSHES fault right?

    And I assume that these Democrats listed below had nothing to do with the approval of these Interrogation Techniques either?
    Liberal Selective Memory….

    If you numbnuts want Bush and Cheney indicted, then also start with this small but growing list of Democrats who approved of His Actions…Including the Interrogation “Torture” Techniques….

    The Liberal Queen Hilary Clinton signed off and Approved both wars….
    AS well as did these other Democrats….

    Bayh (D-IN), Biden (D-DE), Breaux (D-LA), Cantwell (D-WA), Carnahan (D-MO), Carper (D-DE), Cleland (D-GA), Clinton (D-NY), Daschle (D-SD), Dodd (D-CT), Dorgan (D-ND), Edwards (D-NC), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC), Johnson (D-SD), Kerry (D-MA), Kohl (D-WI), Landrieu (D-LA), Lieberman (D-CT), Lincoln (D-AR), Miller (D-GA), Nelson(D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV),Schumer (D-NY), Torricelli (D-NJ)

    And let us not forget that these
    Interrogations were used on Al Qaeda suspects in the aftermath of the
    September 11 terrorist attacks — that led to the capture of Khalid
    Sheikh Mohammed, and lead to the killing of Usama bin Laden and other High Ranking Al
    Qaeda terror leaders…

    • englishvinal

      Because there is NO DIFFERENCE between what we have been brainwashed to call “The Democrats and the Republicans”….. They are ALL sucking your blood and living high on the hogs leg… and have been for the past 100 years since 1913 when the control of the people’s money was handed over to a PRIVATE banking organization called “The Federal Reserve”………………….

    • Gay Veteran

      Republicans=Democrats

      “…And let us not forget that these Interrogations were used on Al Qaeda suspects in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks — that led to the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and to the killing of Usama bin Laden and other High Ranking Al Qaeda terror leaders.”

      STOP buying CIA lies. but maybe that’s what you need in order to sleep at night

  • tom56071

    nothing new here went on in Vietnam also

    • englishvinal

      Oh… and Vietnam was a “good war” .. right? And the atrocities that took place in Vietnam, where “our boys” murdered men, women and children at will.. justifies doing it all over again.
      What happened to YOUR humanity and soul?.. Guess you got bitten by one of those “walking dead” didn’t you?

      • tom56071

        stupid comment

  • tom56071

    goes on in our own prisons

    • englishvinal

      Yes, it does….. and when are those ‘innocent pure of heart’ BLIND, DEAF & DUMB people going to take a stand on THAT travesty?
      That disgusting old Fatherland Security creature Janet Neapolitano, was shown on TV screens in all the WAL Marts in the US, saying “If you SEE something, SAY something”….

      Well?…………… You ALL saw and SEE what is happening… turn on the propaganda box (aka the TeeVee), and they show it to you……… and you are saying NOTHING~!!!

      Stand up and BE counted…………. or take what is coming without expecting any quarter, because everything that was and is being done is being done IN YOUR NAME!

      • tom56071

        so what do you plan to do about it buy more guns and ammo and act tough and hide under your bed ,the only people who stand up to the government are blacks ,they burn and loot the country atleast their doing something

  • Paul

    Start at the beginning: Look at the Native American reservations across the land–remember the trail of tears, the murders of millions of innocent Native Americans by a greedy and hungry people. Okay, America began when it murdered innocent people and stole their land.

    Now, George Washington, who claimed to be a Christian, allowed a gay french person to train his men (do the research). Washington did not honor YAHWEH’S HOLY WORD.

    Move onto the Civil War–the war was not about slavery but an attempt to bring federal control into power over all of the states. Also: During the Civil War, the National Banking Act of 1863 was passed,
    providing for nationally chartered banks, whose circulating notes had to
    be backed by U.S. government securities

    The Federal Reserve was created Dec 23 1913.

    Anyone seeing the system here: It was all about control and power. People do not matter. Lives do not matter. There is a lot more to this–extensively–this is simply a quick put together.

    During World War II after the attack on Pearl Harbor Hawaii put the islands under Martial Law (do the research). America has become a police state (do the research). Do you really believe the government cares about your individual rights? Illegals have more rights in America than natural born citizens. America is a platform for evil and America is the axis of evil ran by corrupt men who only care about money and power.

    Torturing the enemy? They’ll do the same to you–and do. The horrors of the prison system is far worse than what you have read in this article. America has the most populated prison system on the planet.

    America is the greatest country on earth? No. America is the most evil country on the earth. America began by murdering innocent people and will continue to murder those who stands in its way. This is why Veterans are marked as domestic terrorist while illegals cross into America as criminals and get free healthcare and housing.

    This is why those who stand for the constitution are considered domestic terrorist while looters and rioters in Ferguson run free causing violence and destruction.

    Minimize the law and enforce lawlessness and then enact tyrannical control. And on and on and on and on and on….

    Think this country cares for you? Go look at the Native American people and ask them how the government treated them when they defended their rights to the land that was rightfully their own.

    Torturing criminals–this shows the true heart of the American government and what their true motives are toward anyone who questions them or stands in their way.

    • englishvinal

      Thank you….
      And George Washington was a 33rd degree Mason…. keep THAT in mind.

      We have been propagandized, infiltrated by what I believe to be satanic energies… in the form of various elements, our lower natures have been exploited, (greed, sloth, etc.)…. and we have bought the santorum.. and the farm.

      Now the pay back comes around the bend.. like a 100mph 300 car freight train, and we chose to sit right in the middle of the RR tracks.

      • Paul

        I believe america is the Babylon mentioned in the Book of Revelation that will fall and burn

      • Gay Veteran

        George Washington opposed torture.
        So did Reagan.

  • Carrie

    From one of the links in this story:
    The Senate Intelligence Committee’s five-year
    review of 6.3 million pages of CIA documents concluded that the
    intelligence agency failed to disrupt a single plot despite torturing al
    Qaeda and other captives in secret facilities worldwide between 2002
    and 2006, when George W. Bush was president.

    So much for believing that the torture was worth it because it gave us usable intel.

    Also, I’d love to know how this above list states “A male MP guard having s3x with a female detainee”, when we all know that a GUARD doing that with a female Muslim PRISONER is not so much s3x as it is rap3. S3x is the good thing, rap3 is the one that should be applied here. As bada$$ed as that detainee may have been, she would certainly have that if anyone other than her Muslim husband doing that would mean she’ll burn for eternity.

    Also, though we adore dogs here, the Muslims find dogs “unclean” and therefore cannot be around them. Our soldiers of course would know this and use this ‘torture’.

  • Blue

    And Americans wonder why the whole world hates us. I have seen many videos and pictures of these people being tortured. It’s despicable and inhumane. I don’t understand how those perpetuating this torture sleep at night. I certainly couldn’t.

    • englishvinal

      You are still a man with a soul………….
      … they are zombies and feel NOTHING ….

  • DJohn1

    The fact is that America has been this way for an incredibly long time.
    That it might be coming out is what is amazing to me.
    We have runaway agencies in place. They have been actively doing criminal things for a very loing time. They have killed key political figures in our past. They will do it again. When someone becomes too inconvenient then the government has them killed.
    I remember too well the comments that the Godfather’s son made to his girlfriend in the fictional novel. In that book it is exposed what government is willing to do to maintain their power.
    Michael was obviously not stupid. He realized what was happening around him. I refer to Michael, the son of the Godfather, being groomed to take over a Mafia Family.
    I see little difference between those gangsters and the agencies guilty of doing much more than torturing prisoners. What we have to ask ourselves is why it is coming out at this time? What is the motivation? Because what I see is an agency trying to shift blame.
    I also see where it might lead and who it might lead to.
    Is there a plot here to blame a President for what essentially has been going on for a very long time. A time that included the killing of a black civil rights leader, a President, and a candidate brother of that President in the 60s.
    You can see a signature on all of these killings. The signature is that of a professional. The diversion of someone to take the blame. The setting up of people.
    I find it a very strange coincidence that Jack Ruby was terminally ill with cancer when he killed the only man that might have come clean and given us real answers.
    I suggest that it will go no further than it has all ready unless the agenda here is to take down a President and his Vice at this time.
    Jack Kennedy had a real problem with the intelligence agencies back in his time. Every President since has also had difficulties. The problem is there are no people watching the policeman. In this case the agencies floating behind the scenes with a lot of power and money behind them.

    • englishvinal

      DJohn…. I agree with what you have posted.

      My opinion is that because of the state of the U.S. dollar… and the sinking of the US dollar Titanic… around the world… the politicans are literally in a panic… they SEE the handwriting on the wall and they are desperately trying to set some “plausible deniability” in place to duck behind when the shysa hits the fan.

      IE: Nations are turning away from Nixon’s creating the “petro-dollar”…. nations all over the world are now making trade agreements using their OWN currencies… not US dollars which unseats the dollar as “the global reserve currency”……

      ….. the result?…………
      The “United States” (America hasn’t existed for many years.. it has been usurped by the United States.. and the masses are now “U.S. citizens”.. not Americans)….

      anyway…. the United States is literally dying… it is on the fast track to the biggest 3rd world nation on the planet. The “free ride” is OVER.
      So the vultures/vampire elites.. starting with the politicians are looking for a hidey hole… for a time, or a time and a time…. whatever.

      • Gay Veteran

        as Gerald Celente says, when all else fails they take you to war

  • “SIMULATE” electric torture?? This is a total WHITEWASH. They’ve used REAL electricity since at least the assault on vietnam. Hell, they use TASERS in the streets, what do you think they do in secret prisons?

    The last sighting of Jennifer Harbury’s husband in a guatemalan prison was something out of a science fiction horror movie.

    Don’t kid yourself. You’ll never hear the government admit to the “science” of what they’ve learned since WWII.

    This is a limited hangout that we should not allow to pass as the real thing.

    I’m surprised to see such naivete here.

  • Handog

    I thought “rectal feeding” was only used on April 15th.

    • englishvinal

      Touche’

  • Diane

    “-U.S. interrogators regularly threatened to physically harm, rape and sexually abuse the families of prisoners” – sounds like what the so called Ferguson “protestors” are threatening the police with.

  • chris

    Historically there is a lot of German blood in the USA. German failed by one vote, apparently, from being the official language of the USA many years ago. Your police seem to like brown shirts as well as black ones and your military takes a leaf out of the Nazis book by invading other countries on false pretenses. Your economy is run for the benefit of the banks and the big corporations and surveillance of the population is routine. You imported 50,000 former Nazis after WW2 under operation ‘Paperclip’. The Nazification of America has gone a long way. Sad.

  • DJohn1

    The truth drugging of prisoners is illegal.
    But so is torture.
    Given the two, I would take the truth drug every time.
    First of all, it wastes little time.
    The trick is to ask the right questions for the prisoners to answer.
    What we are dealing with is psychopaths.
    I do not refer to the prisoners but those in charge of the prisoners.
    Obviously these people are in to pain for the purpose of pain rather than for valid information.
    The key here is someone in a great deal of pain will not tell you the truth about anything. They will evaluate whether it is what you want to hear or not. Then tell you what you want to hear.
    The question is simply that anything they say is not reliable intelligence information to base anything on. It is invalid simply because the wrong motivation is there.
    With the truth drug you still get invalid information. What you get is what the prisoner thinks is true. That information is quite possibly planted by the enemy for the purpose of misleading.
    Either way, it is likely to be a complete waste of time and resources.
    If you take 20 people that witness an event, you are likely to get 20 different answers as to what took place. None of which are answers by trained observers that know what to look for.
    How many weapons were used? Again you will get 20 different answers from 20 different people and they will all be convinced that they were right.
    We have mess on our hands. In our court system right now there are over 200 men in jail for crimes that they did not commit. Witnesses placed them on the scene of a rape. Yet later DNA evidence completely cleared them of wrong doing. And that is with trained lawyers from both sides attempting to find the truth.
    Even two separated witnesses will often contradict one another.
    If I were to go against the torture procedure it would have to be that it is totally ineffective in gathering useful intelligence because people will tell you what you want to hear to get you to stop.

  • Erika K Moureau

    I take it that since my earlier post has not yet been approved for publication, that I have fallen into a cesspool of sheeples.

    • Gay Veteran

      no, you fell into a cesspool of your own deranged ideas

  • Giney Newport

    Ron Paul was the true peoples choice in 2012.

  • krinks

    With the way Fox News and Talk Radio are falling all over themselves to make excuses for said report (I heard their excuses before I knew what they were talking about) , no one need to ever wonder how the Holocaust happened, and never need again wonder why the public didn’t care.
    Arrest senior Obama and Bush officials. I’ll gladly volunteer to carry out their death sentences.

  • Piglet

    A friend who was in Vietnam in 1969 as an infantryman in the 101st Airborne Division (Airmobile) described various atrocities committed by his company, to include the torture and the murder of innocents, and he wrote, “One of the things I learned in Vietnam is that we Americans are no better than anybody else, no worse but no better. There are a lot of naive people here that think we are and will probably die thinking that.”

    A lot of people will be shocked by this report and will want to believe that “Americans would never do such things.” Oh yes they would, throughout this country’s history they have, and they will continue these same activities in the future. As my friend wrote, we’re no better than anybody else.

  • Norman

    What do you know about CIA?
    I am sure that all of you think it is “Central Intelligence Agency”.
    And none of you knows that it is “Central ISRAEL Agency”.

    • T.

      Mossad was involved in Abu Graib very much so.

  • Story

    GFY!!!! From the author to all like minded posters…. GFY!!!! Were you even sentient on 09/11/2001? Do you have a clue as to the horrors of that day? Why won’t our press show any actual footage up close and personal of our fellow Americans choosing to jump to their deaths or be incinerated? Why? Are you afraid to see the reality of what occurred that day? Some guy was made to wear women’s panties?????? That’s “OMFG TORTURE”????? What is wrong with you asshats????? GFY!!!!

    • Handog

      Col. Jessep: You want answers?
      Kaffee: I think I’m entitled toCol. Jessep: *You want answers?*
      Kaffee: *I want the truth!*
      Col. Jessep: *You can’t handle the truth!*

    • Gay Veteran

      maybe you need to stop wetting your pants.
      maybe you need to march down to your local Army recruiting center and SIGN UP.
      but more importantly you need to keep us out of your psycho drama.
      9/11 is the moral equivalent of the Reichstag Fire

  • Story

    You left out Bill Clinton, John Kerry and a host of Democrats…. they didn’t meet your agenda and talking points or what?

  • Ced Truz

    It seems the author has never studied WWII, nazi’s, torture, and the holocaust if he is willing to compare the CIA “tourture” to the atrocities committed by Nazis. Really? Pouring glo stick all over someone is comparable to making a lampshade out of them? Yea, most of these techniques would probably pretty miserable to go through, especially having your picture taken with a *gasp* female soldier, but it is nowhere close to torture or the acts committed by the worst dictator’s regeme.

    • Gay Veteran

      but it is STILL torture.
      and we hung some members of the Japanese Army for waterboarding

  • jaxon64

    Agreed…if we want to show to the world our sincere contrition, we must hold trials and summarily execute those who are found guilty of war crimes.

    • T.

      AMEN & AMEN.

  • Nightshade09

    Oh the poor poor terrorists.. Oh the poor poor terrorists! We must apologize! We must apologize immediately.. Repent Sinners!

  • El Pollo de Oro

    What’s the difference between Charles Manson and a neocon?

    Manson isn’t quite as sadistic.

  • prisonerno6

    When does the Drone Report get released?

    • Gay Veteran

      indeed

  • Paul Patriot

    This mentality amongst many people in uniform, due to a void in any moral foundation, are the exact same folks that will not give a second thought as they “just follow orders” to kick down American citizens doors, or conduct a check point, or fire upon citizens when ordered to do so.

    I have almost lost all trust in military and police to do the right things , as the creationist, absolute moral, pro Christian world view has been replaced with a globalist, evolutionistic, morally void, anti Christian thug mentality.

    We are in for one hell of a ride in the very near future folks.

  • PPTA

    What I find interesting, it is totally partisan. Feinstien had to get this out, she is loosing that office he has on that committee in Jan. This report is 95% BS that looks wonderful. Democrats have had a lot of practice on the BS stuff. Just look at what the Architect of Obama Care said. I wonder how many lives have been compromised by this self seeking woman?

    • Gay Veteran

      “…I wonder how many lives have been compromised by this self seeking woman?”

      because obviously before now no one knew we tortured

  • Guest

    Wow. You are so brainwashed.

  • Gay Veteran

    even assuming what you say is true (which is extremely doubtful), we have utterly lost the moral high ground and are seen as imperial hypocrites

  • Gay Veteran

    hey Einstein, you have a bigger chance of being killed by the police than terrorists.
    Head chopped off? Won’t happen if you aren’t in their countries.

    • Erika K Moureau

      Hey Einstein….already happened here!

      • Gay Veteran

        oh noez!!!!!!!!!!!
        did that increase the murder rate by 0.0000000000000000001%?
        coward

      • Gay Veteran

        well obviously after ONE such incident we need to shred the Constitution and start acting like the old KGB.
        coward

        • Erika K Moureau

          your answers are so juvenile. I don’t want to waste my time with you any longer.

          • Gay Veteran

            in other words you’re losing

  • Gay Veteran

    because they still believe in the illusion of America

  • Retired_Soldier

    This report, much like this article, is a piece of excrement.

    • Gay Veteran

      say, are you one of those Na zis that congress just voted to deny Social Security payments?

      • Retired_Soldier

        I just went through all the comments; Are you one of the 8 dollar an hour left wing, cyber idiots that trolls web sights (where your not wanted) to defend the undefendable? But don’t go way mad … just go away.

        • Gay Veteran

          let me guess, too stupid to present a case so you just call someone a troll

  • Gay Veteran

    panties? talk about cherry-picking the facts to back up the depraved support for torture

  • Gay Veteran

    gee, wonder why the World Trade Center was attacked?
    could it have anything to do with America propping up brutal murderous dictators in the Middle East?
    and before you start, knowing why something happened does NOT condone it.
    oh, but they hated us for our freedoms! guess we fixed that problem

    • Retired_Soldier

      Do you mean like Obama and Hillary Clinton propped up the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt?

      • Gay Veteran

        Democrats=Republicans

        • PPTA

          No, Obama (Muslim Brother Hood Member), Hillary, her top woman adviser’s father, a top Mslim Brother Hood Leader. Muslim Brother Hood is out of Iran, Yu knw, the country trying to get the Nuc’s in the Mideast. I wasn’t Democrats = Republicans at all. Today, Obama has been kicked out of Egypt, because he is a Muslim brother Hood Member. Also last Summer, he was to have a two day stay in Saudi Arabia, te stay lasted 2 hours. The King does not like the Muslim Brother Hood either. In fact, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and five other Mid-East countries, list the Muslim Brother Hood as a terrorist group, and a group that sponsers other terrorist groups. Neither of these events, made American News.

          • Gay Veteran

            both parties support empire abroad and the national security/surveillance state at home

          • PPTA

            You have mentioned Empire Building, or Empire Abroad, in other posts. I am a bit confused. Did we keep Japan after WW2, and make it a possession of the US? How about the Philippines, Germany, other European countries, We have fought in South America, did we keep some of those countries? Who runs the Philippines today, How about South Korea, Japan, Okinawa, Germany, or any other nation that we took during WW1 and WW2? We left troops behind for them to be stable until they could govern them selves, or to help protect them, like we left in South Korea, Japan, Okinawa, Germany, Spain, Portugal, England, Finland, Iraq, we even whipped Mexico in the early 1900’s (McCarther if I remember right, along with Patton and Ike). and a few other places. So tell me, where is all this Empire you are talking about, like England use to have? Just Curious.

          • Gay Veteran

            You do understand that you don’t have to be in possession of a country to control it? you think Rome didn’t have vassals?

            “…How about the Philippines, Germany, other European countries,….”

            and which of those countries have an independent foreign policy? NONE, they are our vassals. The Europeans support sanctions against Russia even though it hurts their economy, like good little vassals.

  • Gay Veteran

    great comments

    • El Pollo de Oro

      Gay Veteran: Any neocon who would characterize Michael T. Snyder as a leftist obviously hasn’t been reading his commentaries. Michael has been quoted on many right-wing libertarian/paleoconservative websites (including Infowars), and most of the liberal sites ignore him. But neocons never let a thing like facts get in the way when they’re in goosestep mode.

  • Gay Veteran

    if you’re so outraged then GO JOIN THE ARMY

  • Gay Veteran

    guess you don’t understand that our torture has destroyed our moral authority in the world, and has made us less safe.
    btw, George Washington and Ronald Reagan both opposed torture

  • Gay Veteran

    great points

    • El Pollo de Oro

      Gay Veteran: Gracias, jefe. Neocons who long for a police state don’t have enough sense to realize that they’ll be the first ones tortured, maimed, starved, beaten and killed in the “national security” death camps that they long for.

  • Gay Veteran

    We’re focusing on the wrong torture report. The Senate Armed Services Committee’s report shows the entire point was to get false confessions to produce evidence of ties between al Qaida and Iraq.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-12/media-focusing-wrong-senate-torture-report

  • Yeah, right

    Yes, “recovered” by Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Quatar.

    Egypt too if the Egyptian military had not put an end to “democracy” there.

  • David Hammond

    Thank you Michael for the article. I personally believe that we have crossed the line of no return.

  • K

    It’s okay for us to do this stuff to them because were the good guys with good intentions(I’m not being sarcastic) and they’re the bad guys. Still it’s paradise compared to the hellfire these beast worshippers are gonna feel.

    • Gay Veteran

      “It’s okay for us to do this stuff to them because were the good guys with good intentions(I’m not being sarcastic)….”

      The entire point of us using Communist Chinese torture tactics was to obtain false confessions, to link Saddam to al qaeda

  • Gay Veteran

    “How funny that a “gay” veteran is siding with an ideology that stones and beheads gays….”

    uh, where did I do that?

    “…The women and children on board those planes and in the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001 had zero to do with government policy….”

    so why was the World Trade Center attacked? oh, that’s right, that hate us for our freedoms, guess we fixed that

    “…I a reply to my comment above, you claim I have a “depraved support of torture”. The difference is choosing how you are forced to die (incineration or jumping to your own death) is a FAR greater torture than anything inflicted on these poor fracking ANIMALS, you dip stick….”

    so let’s go out and torture INNOCENT people (which we know happened)

    “…For you to act like you want to understand their motivation for slaughtering helpless women and children leaves no room for any rational discussion with you and your “DEPRAVED” ilk….”

    are you actually that stupid?

    “…You should go to the Middle East and share your love and understanding with the barbarians….”

    it’s their country, and as George Washington said: NO foreign entanglements

    • Story

      I see you skip the part where they throw the gay dude off the roof and stone him because he didn’t die from the fall. You’ve clealy chosen a side in this WAR and it is aligned with those that would see you dead. I will never understand the twisted liberal mind. It truly is a mental disorder.

      • Gay Veteran

        I see you have reading comprehension problems, so once again:

        “How funny that a “gay” veteran is siding with an ideology that stones and beheads gays….”

        uh, where did I do that?

        and mental disorder? that would be a psychopath supporting torture.

        let me clue you into something, junior: Governments scream terrorism so they can seize more power, shred our rights, and give $TRILLIONS to the military industrial surveillance state.

        • Story

          How and why should I doubt your ability to speak from knowledge and authority? Especially when muslims (piss be upon them) are massacring innocent men, women and children around the world. There was no terrorism in the first World Trade Center bombing or the events of 09/11/2001….. they were government plots to seize trillions of dollars. There was no terrorism on the streets of London…. just another plot (British this time) to seize trillions of dollars. Where do you want to go around the world???? Bali??? Philippines???? Israel???? Yeah…. There are no Muslims out there that want non-believers dead…. just a bunch of governments wanting to spend tax payer money through “Black Flag” operations. You’re a frackin’ “Troofer”. GFY!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            “…when muslims (piss be upon them) are massacring innocent men, women and children around the world….”

            wow, you’re a real retard, ignoring American drones murdering people

            “…There was no terrorism in the first World Trade Center bombing or the events of 09/11/2001….. they were government plots to seize trillions of dollars….”

            are you high? no terrorism? who said that?
            but go ahead and keep licking the boot of Big Brother, sheeple

          • Story

            There you go with that retard word again. I would think a muslim sycophant would show more respect to the mentally challenged. You claimed these ops were for governments to waste trillions of dollars….. must not be real in your world…. they’re simply government plots.

          • Gay Veteran

            so in your mind opposition to torture equals “muslim sycophant”.

            wow, you’re worse than retarded.

            “…You claimed these ops were for governments to waste trillions of dollars….”

            where did I say that terrorism was a government plot???
            I said that governments USE the terrorists: Governments scream terrorism so they can seize more power, shred our rights, and give $TRILLIONS to the military industrial surveillance state.
            and that is precisely what has happened

          • Gay Veteran

            you remind me of what Herman Goering said at the Nuremberg Trials:

            “…The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country….”

        • Story

          Hey Gay Lord….. I’m sure the event currently taking place in Australia is just the Australian government doing a false flag op to steal tax payers’ dollars, right?

          • Gay Veteran

            well I’m sure government would never use a crisis to gain what it wants.
            you are as naïve as a new baby, or just retarded

          • Story

            Good liberal Gay Lord is now slurring the mentally challenged. I can smell what you’re all about.

          • Gay Veteran

            for once you’re right, comparing you to the retarded is an insult to the retarded.
            and that smell? that’s your urine soaked pants, pi* *ing yourself in fear

          • Gay Veteran

            no, but the Australian government WILL use this incident to seize more power, further shred the rights of Australians, and give $BILLIONS (in Australian dollars) to their version of the military-industrial-surveillance complex.
            or are you too stone cold stupid to understand that?

          • Story

            By the grace of God this should prove Australia needs to give the citizenry their weapons back and allow them to conceal carry. They didn’t need nor use terrorism to take Aussies guns away. They just did what governments always do…. impose more restrictions on a populace. NO GOVERNMENT needs an excuse to take away freedoms and liberty. You’re an idiot…. GFY!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            like a stopped clock you’re finally right, except for the last part

      • PPTA

        The Gay Veteran , lies. Who is the father of all lies. That is who this guy represents.

    • PPTA

      Seems like you are forgetting all those school kids in Pakistan. Suicide Bombers? Muslims? According to your posted views, they were protesting George Bush and US involvement? Or maybe since Christmas is coming, they did not believe in Santa claws? Our own troops are subjected to water boarding as training.But the comment I really get a kick out of, Quote your post” so lets go out and torture INNOCENT people(Which we know happened) BS. Name them. In fact how may were water boarded, come on now, how many, the number was published. And be sure to tell us all who was INNOCENT.

      • Gay Veteran

        “…According to your posted views, they were protesting George Bush and US involvement?….”

        many captured terrorist say exactly that.

        “…But the comment I really get a kick out of, Quote your post” so lets go out and torture INNOCENT people(Which we know happened) BS. Name them….”

        ROFLOL, even Cheney the war criminal does not deny it, and that was from a recent interview.

        But if you’re so frightened, they go to Pakistan (or whatever hell hole) and be a mercenary. Put YOUR life on the line fighting them evil terrorists.

        • PPTA

          Did not answer my question, “Name the innocent victims. Also how many victims there actually are. It was published. Last, served my time a long time ago. When I was in, I would bet you were not even born yet. I am 73. like I said, been there, done I earned my right to citizenship. I was born into it first.Then I went and earned it. many millions more like me. We gave you the right say all this stupid sh** you are writing. Now, answer the simple question, how many victims, who were they, and how many were innocent.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…It was published…..”

            then educate yourself, being 73 you sure are ignorant

            “…We gave you the right say all this stupid sh** you are writing….”
            How so? We haven’t won a war since WWII.

          • PPTA

            I told you it was published. But, you still have not answered the question, how many were water boarded, what were their names, what did they believe in, did we gain any useful information. Come on hot shot, you claim to know so much, tell us. Then there is the other question regarding Empire buildoing. What territory did we keep after a war. Can’t answer that either can you. To sum it up, you worked, possibly as a civilian for the Army research center, possibly a student, never was in the Army, don’t know what a combat patch is, can offer no new information, only insults. Why not just tell the truth? I actually fee sorry for you. And I was serious when I said you should check yourself into a mental institution before you hurt your self. Do not mean that as a pun. But i really do think you have some serious problems.

          • Gay Veteran

            well junior, you know it was published, you’re 73, you’re probably retired with plenty of time on your hands, so YOU do your own research.

            but you’re lazy in addition to being a psychopath who supports torture.

            Arar v. Ashcroft et al

            Synopsis

            Arar v. Ashcroft is a federal lawsuit challenging the rendition of a Canadian citizen to Syria, by the U.S. government, where he was tortured, forced to falsely confess, and released after one year without ever being charged…

            The suit charges that Mr. Arar’s Fifth amendment due process rights were violated when he was confined without access to an attorney or the court system, both domestically before being rendered, and while detained by the Syrian government, whose actions were complicit with the U.S. Additionally, the Attorney General and INS officials who carried out his deportation also likely violated his right to due process by recklessly subjecting him to torture at the hands of a foreign government that they had every reason to believe would carry out abusive interrogation. Further, Mr. Arar filed a claim under the Torture Victims Protection Act, adopted by the U.S. Congress in 1992, which allows a victim of torture by an individual of a foreign government to bring suit against that actor in U.S. Court. Mr. Arar’s claim under the Act against Ashcroft and the INS directors is based upon their complicity in bringing about the torture he suffered. The case was filed in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York….”

          • PPTA

            I did not know that foreign detainees were entitled to American rights, such as a fifth amendment.

          • Gay Veteran

            Message to the Senate Transmitting the Convention Against Torture and Inhuman Treatment or Punishment
            May 20, 1988
            Ronald Reagan

            To the Senate of the United States:

            With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, subject to certain reservations, understandings, and declarations, I transmit herewith the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. The Convention was adopted by unanimous agreement of the United Nations General Assembly on December 10, 1984, and entered into force on June 26, 1987. The United States signed it on April 18, 1988…

            The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

            The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called “universal jurisdiction.” Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution…

            By giving its advice and consent to ratification of this Convention, the Senate of the United States will demonstrate unequivocally our desire to bring an end to the abhorrent practice of torture.

            RONALD REAGAN
            The White House,
            May 20, 1988.

          • Gay Veteran

            ROFLOL, guess you never actually read the Fifth Amendement since it states “no person” and not “no American citizen”

          • Gay Veteran

            “…But i really do think you have some serious problems.”
            that’s ripe coming from a psychopath who supports torture.
            and hey Einstein, did you ever figure out that when we torture then we do not have the moral authority to condemn the torture of Americans?

          • Gay Veteran

            “…And I was serious when I said you should check yourself into a mental institution before you hurt your self. Do not mean that as a pun…”

            ROFLOL, you’re so stone cold stupid you don’t understand what a pun is

          • PPTA

            I understand what a sicko person is. just fine.

          • Gay Veteran

            as the ancient Greeks would say: know thyself

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Then there is the other questin regarding Empire building. What territory did we keep after a war. Can’t answer that either can you….”

            man, the stoopid is strong with this one. Empires do not have to keep territory in order to control it. That’s what vassals are for.

  • Gay Veteran

    sooooooooooo, you’re opposed to medical research?
    then don’t take advantage of it, hypocrite

  • Gay Veteran

    when are you going to SIGN UP?
    coward

    • Story

      So you lied to the military during your career about your “gayness’. How “honorable”. And you’re too damned stupid to know there is a cut-off age where you can’t enlist. Or maybe you think everyone is in there teens and twenties. Your nom de plume should be “Gay Genius”…. your BS just goes downhill from here….

      • Gay Veteran

        oh I get it, you’re actually a pimple faced 15 year old boy playing Call to Duty in mommy’s basement.
        now quit pestering the adults and go back to your vidiot games

        • Story

          No…. I’m a 54 year old male who runs my own business, volunteers at the local senior center, and puts up with BS from dishonorable gay veterans. GFY!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            that’s funny coming from a yellow chickenhawk, but then it is a lot easier to send others off to fight wars that you support

          • Story

            How funny…. coming from an asshat who hid his “gayness” to stay enlisted all the while not being true to himself or his commanding officers! Yellow chickenhawk, thy name is “Gay Veteran”. I love the “veteran part…. veteran of the research lab! Bravo, oh brave one…. Bravo!

          • Gay Veteran

            bravo, yellow bellied chickenhawk, a true disgrace to America

        • Story

          See…. that’s what I mean about the “genius” part. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

          • Gay Veteran

            sure, yellow chickenhawk

    • Story

      How damned funny! To you, if you were in, “You’re a disgrace to the uniform”, and if you aren’t in or never were, you’re a “coward.” HAHAHAHAHAHA! GFY!!!!

      • Gay Veteran

        you didn’t answer my question: when are you going to SIGN UP?
        oh let me guess, much easier to send others to fight the wars you support.
        coward

  • Gay Veteran

    who? the Saudis?

  • Story

    But gays can not have a “marriage”…. it’s impossible. A “marriage is a holy communion of one man and one woman to become one flesh. That’s it. Since you want something other than the long established definition of “marriage”, what you desire simply isn’t a “marriage” at all. Now if you want a (hell, I don’t know) “dedication” or a “civil pact’ or something similar, have at it. But a “marriage” you will never have….. even if you want to call it that. Unless of course you can show where God Biblically joined to women or two dudes, “Dude You’re Screwed!”.

    • Gay Veteran

      bet you miss the 1950s when the state also banned interracial marriage.
      “one man and one woman”? ignoring all that polygamy in the bible, so much for the unchanging definition of marriage.
      btw, you don’t get to use the state to impose your particular version of religion on everyone else

      • Story

        I’m not the one trying to force states to change the traditional meaning of “marriage”…. you are! You want to force everyone to your (Fracked up) interpretation of what YOU desire it to be…. which it clearly is not and never has been. I’m not using the state to impose anything that hasn’t been this way forever….. YOU are, asshat!

        • Gay Veteran

          are you that retarded? man, bet you cry because you were born too late to oppose inter-racial marriage

  • jim

    Good guys, keep up the good work on torturing those people over there in Iraq. I’m a Christian from the middle east and the things I hear about what Muslims do to Christians over there through out the middle east for 1400 years since the rise of Islam are things that can never be described in words, even until today the Muslims through out the middle east show no mercy or compation to Christians that have never done any harm to them and yet they still do horrible things to them, just because there Christians. The American people and so many people through out the world don’t really know how terrible Muslim people are to other people just because there not Muslims, even Muslims are killing other Muslims just because there not Muslim enough. What a stupid satanic religion it is. So what American soldiers are doing over there, well I say to them, keep up the good work guys and don’t stop. Where’s your alha know to save you.

    • Gay Veteran

      “Good guys, keep up the good work on torturing those people over there in Iraq. I’m a Christian from the middle east….”
      Jesus is ashamed of you

  • Gay Veteran

    hey moron, what happed after 9/11?

    let me spell it out for you AGAIN:

    governments scream terrorism so they can seize more power, shred our rights, and give $TRILLIONS to the military industrial surveillance state.”

    • Story

      If you watch the many videos from that day you will hear people in the background screaming “Terrorism!!!”. That’s the whole point ….. Terrorism does exist. Those people in Australia didn’t go into some Islamic nation and do anything. The muslims came to them. The results are seen around the world. You can say they’re just misunderstood, or we are the cause of them slaughtering innocents (WHICH YOU HAVE DONE OVER AND OVER), but I put the fault where it truly lies…. Islam and a complete incompatibility with modern civil society. No one is at fault for muslims being barbaric but muslims. If my government kills a whole bunch of muslims, I certainly support that. If you don’t after God knows how many attacks all around the world, you are one fracked up individual. I’m through with you. GFY!!!!

      • Gay Veteran

        “…Terrorism does exist….”

        NO one said it didn’t.

        “…Those people in Australia didn’t go into some Islamic nation and do anything. The muslims came to them….”

        and YOU are so willing to give up liberty for security, and YOU deserve neither

        “…You can say they’re just misunderstood, or we are the cause of them slaughtering innocents (WHICH YOU HAVE DONE OVER AND OVER)….”

        you are an expert liar

        “…If my government kills a whole bunch of muslims, I certainly support that….”

        of course you do, even if that means killing innocents, because you’re a good little fascist

      • Gay Veteran

        “…Those people in Australia didn’t go into some Islamic nation and do anything….”

        is that true? or did the government of Australia participate in our war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria?

        and as I note above: knowing why something happened does NOT condone it.

        • Story

          So you’re the Judge and the Jury and support the executioners! You’ve convicted us and the Aussies of “War Crimes”. How positively “Liberal” of you. GFY!!!!! I’m done with you.

          • Gay Veteran

            you consistently lie about my views, so a liar and a coward, a real 2-fer for you

  • Gay Veteran

    I just love how you lie about me believing terrorism doesn’t occur.
    It does. And governments use it.
    And cowards like you beg Big Brother to protect you while giving up your rights and tax dollars. Brilliant!

  • Gay Veteran

    WHAT security?
    keep licking Big Brother’s boots, coward

  • chris12138

    Nazis?

    I don’t recall us rounding up millions of people, from children to the elderly, based on their race/religion/mental and or physical disability and forcing them into slavery before executing them a hundred at a time/ starving them/ performing bizarre medical experiments on them.

    The real Nazis are those bastards that were interrogated. If you left me in a room with Khaleid Sheik Muhammed (Mastermind of 9/11, IslamoNazi) his “rectal feeding” wouldn’t be with a tube of mush, it would be with a whole pineapple. I would chew his fingers off one by one to prevent another 9/11.

    As for Abu Ghraib, it was messed up and the people involved WERE punished, has nothing to do with what was in Feinsteins stupid report.