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From This Point Forward, Christians Are Going To Be Banned From Holding Many Jobs In America

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Unacceptable - Public DomainChristianity is being criminalized in the United States.  No, I am not talking about the kind of Christianity that is so prevalent in America today where “Christians” just ignore what the Bible says and do whatever they wanted to do in the first place anyway.  Rather, I am talking about the kind of faith that Kim Davis has demonstrated.  Christians all over this country are being put into positions where they must choose to either submit to the “new morality” or potentially lose their jobs.  For Kim Davis, deciding to take a stand meant that she was thrown into prison.  The radical judge that threw her into prison has said that she will stay there until she is willing to change her mind.

The pace of which our nation is circling the toilet is absolutely breathtaking.  Just eleven years ago, a state constitutional amendment that banned gay marriage in Kentucky received support from 75 percent of the voters.

Now, Kim Davis has been locked away, and more county clerks may be next.  There is news that another county clerk named Casey Davis has stepped forward to say that he won’t issue any same sex marriage licenses either.

What in the world has happened to America?  We live in a country where Christians are being imprisoned for what they believe, but Planned Parenthood is free to slaughter babies, chop them up, and sell off their parts to the highest bidder.

We better start paying attention.  What is happening right in front of our eyes is eerily reminiscent of what happened in Nazi Germany

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis entered her fourth day as an inmate at the Carter County Detention Center Sunday, after refusing to license gay marriage. About 300 people gathered on the lawn outside the jail to support her Saturday, chanting “thank you, Kim” and waving signs that said “Kim Davis for President” and “God gives his hardest battles to his strongest soldiers.”

Davis was held in contempt of court and jailed on Thursday for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, despite being ordered to do so several times by the courts.

Mathew Staver, Davis’s chief legal counsel, compared her persecution to that of Jews faced in Nazi Germany. Staver told the radio show “Crosstalk” Wednesday, “[Davis is] there to do a duty, a job and the job duty was changed. Does that mean that if you’re Christian, don’t apply here? … What happened in Nazi Germany, what happened there first, they removed the Jews from government public employment, then they stopped patronizing them in their private businesses, then they continued to stigmatize them, then they were the ‘problems,’ then they killed them.”

In the future, Bible-believing Christians are going to be completely disqualified from being county clerks or holding any other government position that deals with marriage.

But it won’t stop there.  Ultimately, any Christians that will not go along with the new morality will be labeled a “bigot” and a “hater” and will essentially become unemployable.

If you don’t believe me, just consider what happened to the CEO of Mozilla.  He was extremely good at his job, but he was forced out when it was revealed that he had once donated $1,000 to a group that supported Proposition 8.  It didn’t matter that 52 percent of Californians actually voted in favor of Proposition 8.  He broke “the code”, and so he was not fit to run a major tech corporation.

By extension, that means that no Bible-believing Christian is fit to run a major tech corporation.

And if you are a Christian, don’t think about a career as a high ranking military official either.  According to a startling Buzzfeed report, Barack Obama actually told the top military officers in this nation that they could either support the end of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell or they could resign…

In a meeting with the heads of the five service branches in 2010, President Obama offered the leaders a choice: Support my efforts to end the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, or resign, the Commandant of the Coast Guard said.

In a video obtained by BuzzFeed via a Freedom of Information Act request, Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Robert Papp revealed that Obama was unwilling to compromise with service leaders over DADT during a meeting in 2010. “We were called into the Oval Office and President Obama looked all five service chiefs in the eye and said, ‘This is what I want to do.’ I cannot divulge everything he said to us, that’s private communications within the Oval Office, but if we didn’t agree with it — if any of us didn’t agree with it — we all had the opportunity to resign our commissions and go do other things,” he said.

Are you starting to get the picture?

It is becoming unacceptable to be a Bible-believing Christian in America, and it is only going to get worse in the years ahead.  The following is what Carl Gallups, the author of “Be Thou Prepared“, had to say about this in a recent piece for WND

The imprisonment of Kim Davis won’t be the end of the insanity infecting America. We have been given over to a depraved mind, and the travesty inflicted upon this brave believer is unprecedented in American history as far as I know. I do not believe that anyone, public official or private citizen, has ever been jailed simply because of his or her firmly held faith-belief that marriage is between a man and a woman and not between two men or two women.

This is how it starts.  In television shows and movies, Bible-believing Christians are being relentlessly mocked.  Laws are being passed that are slowly marginalizing believers and that are trying to force us to accept things that we simply cannot accept.  And even now, many employers will not even think of hiring you if they discover that you are a committed follower of Jesus Christ.

And just like in Nazi Germany, eventually the persecution becomes more overt and more violent.  On Saturday, a non-denominational church in New York was firebombed

Police in New York are investigating after a firebomb was thrown inside of a door at a non-denominational church on Saturday.

The incident occurred early Saturday morning at approximately 5:30 a.m. as a yet unidentified suspect threw a Molotov cocktail threw a glass door at the Chapel at Crosspoint in Getzville. The explosive then started a fire in the vestibule, which set off the sprinkler system and flooded the entryway.

The Getzville Fire Department and the Amherst Police Department responded to the four-alarm incident, according to assistant Police Chief Charles Cohen.

The culture is turning radically against us, and what we have seen so far is just the beginning.

So are you willing to give up your job, your future and potentially even your freedom for your faith?

Tell us what you think by posting a comment below…

  • CRAT

    Michael:

    I am conflicted in this situation. Yes, the values and morality in this country have gone into the toilet; however, our legal system is set up as a secular entity. I would not want it any other way. Reading about the Middle East countries and their religious governments, certainly am against that type governance. The lady in KY can express her beliefs, but if she felt she could not approve those licenses, she should have stepped down, and persue her fight separate from her official, secular duties.

    • Robert

      Yep.

    • DANA

      The freedom of religion and the exercise thereof does not make us a theocracy. To compare this case with the Middle East is morally and intellectually dishonest. Should a doctor be allowed to deny the “lawful” practice of abortion if a patient asked him to perform one, without the fear of losing his job? Is that really the direction you want society to go? There can and should be special protections put into place for Christians (or any people of faith) in these situations, after all, we make special accommodations for everyone else in our “diverse” society.

      • CRAT

        I’m not sure I quite follow you here. A theocracy would imply a govt. sponsored religion, along with concomitant regulations. Forcing one’s religious beliefs in an official govt. capacity on others does indeed meet the definition of theocracy. A doctor in a private capacity should be able to deny a procedure he/she finds repugnant; however, if employed by a govt. agency that performs a procedure the Dr. finds objectionable, and has been deemed legal, he should perform such procedure or quit. That is how you run a secular government.

        You may try to change the legality of various rules and regulations, but you should not be able to impose your religious beliefs on others when in an official capacity.

        • The Supreme Court, however, imposed their beliefs on the rest of society by passing same-sex marriage (which was banned in many states, prior).

          Sorry. Your shameful hypocrisy had to be called out on that one.

          • Gay Veteran

            back in 1966: The Supreme Court, however, imposed their beliefs on the rest of society by passing INTERRACIAL marriage (which was banned in many states, prior).

          • CRAT

            I can disagree with other’s point of view without being insulting. Try living up to your moniker.

          • Stating that you were demonstrating shameful hypocrisy (i.e. stating one shouldn’t impose their beliefs on others, while leaving out that the Supreme Court did exactly that in passing same-sex marriage) was being truthful.

          • Gay Veteran

            learn to read, CRAT said religious beliefs
            btw, you still moaning about the Supreme Court overruling bans against interracial marriage?

        • DANA

          A theocracy would demand that one adhere to and abide by a god in which refusal to do so would result in punishment. It would also require a religious figure rule at the head of government, such as an official priest, pastor or imam etc. Countries such as Iran have this. The freedom of religion and the exercise thereof (which is in our constitution) allows us to have both our faith and freedom of conscience, while also serving in a government or private capacity. We are neither secular nor theocratic, and the constitution was written to establish this unique balance. Remember popular opinion can influence law and government policy (such as when slavery was legal) but the first amendment allows the individual to exercise their religious conscience, and it is this right that brought an end to wrongful practices.

          • iris

            great comment, and true.

          • Gay Veteran

            so using your “logic”, a county clerk who opposes interracial marriage for religious reasons should be allowed not to issue CIVIL marriage licenses

      • Gay Veteran

        “…There can and should be special protections put into place for Christians (or any people of faith) in these situations….”

        indeed, you could have the deputy clerks issue the CIVIL marriage licenses. Oh wait, Kim Davis also opposed that, thereby IMPOSING her religion on the deputy clerks

        • DANA

          This may be one of the few times I will agree with you on this topic. I’m not sure of all the facts because there is so much hype by the media, but if she was given an alternative so that she wasn’t personally required to participate in the issuing of licenses to homosexual couples, then she should have agreed. A Christian should always take the peaceful, non confrontational option when one is given. God will take care of the bigger picture.

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          The state imposes the materialism and scientism religions on us daily. Since that also violates the constitution, are you going to call for their arrests as well?

          Nope – it’s what you stated you wanted.

          • Gay Veteran

            materialism and scientism religions? what are you babbling about?

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You don’t even know your own doctrines! HA!

          • Gay Veteran

            enlighten us brilliant one

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Get your own education. I’m already raising children!

          • Gay Veteran

            so you claim

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Who am I gonna believe: a troll with obvious issues or my own eyes…

          • Gay Veteran

            issues? you ever read your own posts? you’re a pathological liar

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            I think it’s very telling when you, who actually does the deed uses my vocabulary to accuse me of actions I’m not guilty of, but you are. It’s called projection. Already went over this.

            And now, you’ll accuse me of projection to try covering for yourself or you’ll lose impact as a troll.

            And by the way: losing your temper and immediately accosting the other person while not focusing on the debate subject is a giveaway that you are either unprepared or in the wrong. That’s debate class basics.

            You really need to focus on your arguments and source material.

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re a pathological liar because you have proven yourself to be a pathological liar.
            not surprising coming from a fake Christian mormon

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Using the first response above (I won’t make you go into posting history); provide your evidence that what I wrote about materialism and scientism is wrongly defined, or logically fallacious, or not supported by serious scientific evidence – whatever you want, and prove me a liar.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh, now you’re being cute. you’re a pathological liar because you are constantly trying to persuade people that I approve of Planned Parenthood’s violations of the law

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            So then, when normal folks show outrage at Planned Parenthood killing and harvesting baby body parts for profit, why do you automatically go with “How many unwanted babies have YOU adopted?”

            In that context, we interpret that as you trying to shame people for wanting those human babies to live and be up for adoptions. The alternative is the children are killed.

            So yes – you are supporting Planned Parenthood’s genocide.

            I’ve gone over this so many times and your only response is calling me a liar without you making concessions that killing the children is wrong and that they deserve life, liberty and a chance of happiness.

          • Gay Veteran

            “So then, when normal folks show outrage at Planned Parenthood killing and harvesting baby body parts for profit, why do you automatically go with “How many unwanted babies have YOU adopted?”….”

            you just can’t stop lying, can you? show where I posted that in response to “…harvesting baby body parts for profit…” You can’t because you are LYING YET AGAIN.

            “…In that context, we interpret that as you trying to shame people for wanting those human babies to live and be up for adoptions. The alternative is the children are killed….

            uh, no, I’m trying to shame people for wanting to FORCE women to give birth and yet they themselves are not willing to take up the burden of raising the unwanted baby

            “…I’ve gone over this so many times and your only response is calling me a liar without you making concessions that killing the children is wrong and that they deserve life, liberty and a chance of happiness.”

            and how many non-family members have YOU adopted? hmmmmmmmm
            oh I forget, there’s a shortage of blue eyed blond children

  • Itanimullikcuf

    In Europe things are getting even worse. Political correctness is insane. More than million of Muslim refugees from ME in this year only – access granted. And about don’t ask don’t tell policy? A gay army is perfect to attack enemy from behind.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…And about don’t ask don’t tell policy? A gay army is perfect to attack enemy from behind.”

      moron, tell that to the Israeli Army

      • Itanimullikcuf

        Israeli army at least can deal with islamic invasion while the rest just watch. And they also allow openly gay to serve in IDF.

        • Gay Veteran

          the Israeli army will certainly enable the European colonizers to continue stealing land

    • Gay Veteran

      “…More than million of Muslim refugees from Middle East or Africa in this year only….”

      entirely due to the U.S. wars of aggression against Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, etc.

      WHEN are you so-called Christians going to stand up and condemn these war crimes?!?!?!?
      Oh, stupid me, they don’t concern genitalia so you don’t care

      • Itanimullikcuf

        You seems to be concerned too much about genitalia.

        • Gay Veteran

          and you are totally Unconcerned about the misery the U.S. has brought to millions around the world.

          AGAIN, they don’t concern genitalia so you don’t care

          • Itanimullikcuf

            What comes around goes around.

    • M.

      This is God’s punishment on worthless apostate western countries who have seen fit to spit at Him and His Law. Unless they convert they can only look forward to more the same.

      • Itanimullikcuf

        Not God punishment at all. Just effect of human stupidity of liberals and those which were bombing Libya, Iraq and Syria. Done on purpose to create chaos.

        • M.

          Who said it can’t be both? God permits it as a punishment like He permitted the Assyrians to conquer the Israelites of the northern kingdom, and later the Babylonians to conquer the southern kingdom for their apostasy.
          Also the liberals aren’t all stupid. The upper echelons know full well what they’re doing and have expert Tribal guidance in accomplishing it as quickly and efficiently as possible.

        • Gay Veteran

          hey Einstein, it is the neo-cons that are driving our wars of aggressions

          • Itanimullikcuf

            Obama is neo-con? Bush was idiot but Hussein Obongo is even worse.

          • Gay Veteran

            his administration is full of neo-cons

  • Preacher62

    There is no need to fear during a time of rejoicing.
    Luke 6:22 – 23 (NLT) 22What blessings await you when people hate you and exclude you and mock you and curse you as evil because you follow the Son of Man. 23When that happens, be happy! Yes, leap for joy! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, their ancestors treated the ancient prophets that same way.

    Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and whatever you need will be given to you.

    • may

      Thank you

    • Nancy

      Amen Preacher62! I was just thinking about that scripture and here you posted it. I would only add that “when people hate you and exclude you and mock you and curse you as evil because you follow the Son of Man,” pray… “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

      • Indeed! And a lot of them really don’t know what they’re doing.

        It’s akin to peer pressure in Jr. High and High School, only on a worldly scale (there’s an overwhelming spiritual pressure going on, as well).

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    • Ginai Doma

      I admire your fortitude to stand up for what is right…yet the New Living Translation of the Bible is apostate and not a direct translation from the original scriptures written in Greek and Aramaic.

      • Preacher62

        22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. 23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. KJV

        Says the same thing my friend. I use a half dozen different translations, side by side and they all say the same thing.

        • Ginai Doma

          Let me give you an example of why the NLT is apostate. It denies the Trinity of God and the divinity of Jesus Christ.

          1 John 5:7
          KJB – “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

          NLT – “So we have these three witnesses.”

          These two may seem to be similar in nature..but the NLT is blasphemy. The King James Version is stating that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is ONE God. The New Living Translation is stating that there are THREE separate witnesses or three different entities. As you know..God is one entity composed of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

          There are many instances in the NLT that are like this…and worse. The NLT should be viewed as any bible that has been corrupted such as the Jehovah’s Witness NWT(New World Translation), The Book of Mormon, and the Islamic Koran.

          • Gay Veteran

            so much for the unchanging word of god

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Its man that changes it not God

          • Gay Veteran

            well that’s a problem isn’t it

          • Preacher62

            Three bear record and three witnesses is saying the same thing. There is joy in following Jesus and I pray you find that some day instead of the bitterness. For those who refuse to deny themselves and follow Jesus, it will not matter what translation they use to do so. For those who do deny themselves and follow Jesus, it will not matter what translation they use to do so. God Bless.

          • I think you’re blind to language, Preacher 62. Words are more important than ideas and concepts. Here are over a dozen references to words and how they are used in His Word, each reflecting the importance of words GOD used, not ideas or concepts or thoughts put forth by “credentialed” men.
            Amos 8:11-12
            Deut 8:3
            Gal 3:16
            Is 55:10
            Jere 15:16
            Jere 23:36
            Job 19:23-24
            Luke 9:26
            Mark 10:38
            Mat 24:35
            Mat 4:4
            Ps 119:39
            Ps 12:6-7

            What is different is NOT the same!!! And there is only one version that makes this wonderfully clear.

            However, you are correct in it not mattering which translation the persecuted will use. My guess is that the liberals who are too lazy to learn the (around) 600 words in Old English that are unfamiliar today will be the same ones who will fold to the NWO.

          • Preacher62

            No, they do not water down anything. Only the man preaching from them has the ability to water down the word and he can do that with any of them including your precious one. We have right now, an awesome opportunity to share Jesus Christ with a people that are going to be struggling and searching for answers, and all that the KJV only crowd can bring to the table is division and distraction from the actual work taking place. I am sure you mean well, but your work is not of God. It seeks to honor a translation, or a King or even your own knowledge, but not to honor God. What matters is turning from sin, following Jesus Christ and loving God and our fellow man. They all teach us to do just that.

          • NowAlive

            I use a translation that explains why it translates the way it does. It leaves that part out, as the NLT does but it provides the reasoning as to why and leaves it to the reader to decide whether it should be there or not. In the 1 Jn 5:7 example, it states that there are no copies before the 10th century in Greek that had it. It was then added as a note. The Catholics then decided it should be there and the KJV picked it up. Where it was first found, there may have been pressure to add it by the Catholics. The circular reasoning used to justify the KJV is sad. The original or closest to source is probably best. But KJV-ers simply say, well if it wasn’t in the 1611, then it’s bad. Which means that no one else in any other language than English has a good Bible. What do the French, Chinese, or Russians use? Must they learn English? Or should they just translate the KJV to get the only “authentic” word of God? That’s a very sad argument and creates an unnecessary division. If the KJV had some poor translations that it used, so be it. The Trinity is certainly clear without the 1 Jn 5:7 addition. The Book of John is ridiculously clear about Jesus being God. “I am” over and over. Be devoted to God and His Word…not your particular translation. I once heard of a man condemning other translations because there were too many “s”-s. So it was the “serpant’s voice”. Seriously?

          • Preacher62

            Well said, much better than I.

          • Dani Gray

            So say all believers so called who use the perversions and think themselves kinder than God. Jesus said: “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword….” They say “peace, peace” when there is no peace and indeed cannot be when the truth is denied and the works of the enemy defended in the name of “peace”. Those who speak the truth are called divisive…the truth IS a sword indeed. It is interesting to see which of my replies get posted and which don’t on this so called Christian website.

          • Preacher62

            I truly pity you. Your translation will not save you. You must be born again; and this fact is found in every translation by the way. It’s a work of God not of yourself.

          • Ax2root

            The Word of God is truth and was given in Hebrew , Greek and Aramaic to be written down.

            I find the KJV The most accurate English version BUT it also has TRANSLATION inaccuracies,that bible scholars of the original languages ; such as bible teacher Derek Prince , have noted in his teachings.

            There is a good book exposing the error of New Age bible translations authored by Gail Riplinger.

            The New Agers even crowed about getting their version of The Lord’s Prayer in these bad translations.

            The importance of desiring to know The Truth and listening to The Holy Spirit sound the alarm about mistranslated words benefits all.

            Shalom.

          • Preacher62

            Details; Being a simple man, I made a very simple post urging people to put their trust in God and be joyful rather than fearing man. The “KJV only” crowd effectively destroyed that post by claiming that it was not really God’s word thus bringing doubt into the minds of all who read it. Whose kingdom are they serving? Not God’s for sure. I hope you all Sleep well tonight.

          • Preacher62

            Ginai ; Being a simple man, I made a very simple post urging people to put their trust in God and be joyful rather than fearing man. The “KJV only” crowd effectively destroyed that post by claiming that it was not really God’s word thus bringing doubt into the minds of all who read it. Whose kingdom are they serving? Not God’s for sure. I hope you all Sleep well tonight.

          • Ginai Doma

            I am not a KJV only person. I use the NIV, the KJV, and the ASV. What I am telling you is that these translations are word for word from the original languages the Bible was written in. The NLT is not. It is an extremely paraphrased translation that is not even God’s word. That is why it is an apostate book. The NLT denies the deity of Christ. It denies the severity of God’s judgment. It changes important scripture into that of New Age philosophies.

            “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation 22:19 KJV)

          • Ax2root

            There is a good book by Gail Riplinger called New Age Bible Versions” that Also exposes the errors in NIV NASB ETC.

            Shalom!

          • 21Grams

            I agree with you Preacher. The splitting hairs on translations is an uncalled for distraction from the topic at hand and an attack on the simplicity of the truth. It’s grandstanding on the part of those who do it.

          • Dani Gray

            Well I am an AKJV 1611 only Christian. It is no distraction from the topic to speak the truth in love, it is the very essence of the topic and all other topics. All other translations are perversions of the bible because wicked men changed the word of the unchangeable God who preserved His word for the English speaking people via the AKJV 1611 and He has faithfully told us not to add to or change ANYTHING in His world (See Psalm 12:6-7, Deuteronomy 4:1-2,) and has also CURSED those who change His word (See Revelation 22:18-19). It is astounding to me that those who profess Christ will deny Him by ignoring these scriptures! The foundations of the modern perversions are not solid foundations because the words therein are not the words of God. I do not know how spoiled, entitled Americans think they are standing while reading these perversions when they are all along standing on quicksand.

          • Chris

            What if both translations were correct? What if God Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost were three separate individuals but one in purpose? At Christ’s baptism Christ was in the flesh, God’s voice was herd, and the HG descended in the former of the dove.– They are 3 separate individuals with one purpose; would Christ pray to himself while on the cross asking himself to forgive those who cruciferous him?
            The Book of Mormon is not a bible, but another text OS scripture that ALSO testifies of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon contains the record of a prophet that was led out of Jerusalem before the Lord destroyed it, and the history of Christ’s ministry on the AMERICAN continent: remember when Christ told his disciples that there were other sheep not of that fold that would hear his voice?–It was the people in the Book of Mormon He was referring to, and I sure you that the BOM goes hand in hand with the bibles teachings as they ate BOTH of our Lord snd Savior Jesus Christ.

          • Ginai Doma

            As you tout the Book of Mormon I am assuming you are Mormon. Mormonism is not Christianity. You do not believe in the same Jesus Christ that we do. According to the Bible, there is only ONE God. God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh who died for the sins of the world.

            Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

            2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

            Jesus Christ claimed and is the Lord God Most High, the Creator.

            John 10:30-33
            I and my Father are one.
            Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
            Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
            The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

            John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

            Exodus 3:13-14 Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?” God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.'”

            Only God can save men from their sins. Only God is a savior.

            Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.

            Luke 2:11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

            Acts 4:12 “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

        • TheMatrixHasU

          They don’t say the same thing, Preacher. the KJV. They might as far as this passage goes but all other English translations outside the KJV heavily water down the bible, especially where the divinity of Christ is concerned. And in many other places as we’ll. Its only that some are just a bit better than others.
          The AKJV is the only one that doesn’t water down the truth

          • Preacher62

            No, they do not water down anything. Only the man preaching from them has the ability to water down the word and he can do that with any of them including your precious one. We have right now, an awesome opportunity to share Jesus Christ with a people that are going to be struggling and searching for answers, and all that the KJV only crowd can bring to the table is division and distraction from the actual work taking place. I am sure you mean well, but your work is not of God. It seeks to honor a translation, or a King or even your own knowledge, but not to honor God.

          • Ginai Doma

            Those who are apostate and do not dwell in the TRUTH of the Bible as the written Word of God believe as you do. The Bible is not some secondary reference material. It is God’s actual Word to mankind. If you change it, you tamper with God Himself and will incur His wrath. This is why those who are Born-Again, follow the Bible, word for word.
            I highly advise you to re-evaluate yourself. Many claim to be Christian and are not. They deceive themselves and are following a religion and not Jesus Christ.

          • Preacher62

            Deception sux.

          • Dirtd0bberMama

            There is always some on into arguing and disputing. It never fails. Divide and conquer.

        • TEXAS RUFCUT

          Some do and some don’t. The KJV has been supernaturally written and coded by God himself through the hand of man. There are mysteries within the pages and words written but the understanding can only come from God teaching it to you and one must be willing in ALL aspects by keeping his commandment before he will reveal himself through those pages and every event from then on of the world, from his word and through his prophecies foretold. God said, “I will show you all things before hand”. And he will, If your heart is willing.

    • KB

      Praise the Lord and Amen, Preacher!

      These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” ~John 16:33

      I’m so glad that no matter how dark and wicked things are in this life, I have hope. His name is Jesus Christ!

    • Dani Gray

      Yet, who says that Kim Davis is a Christian? Can a woman who secretly meets with and embraces the Pope, the avowed enemy of Christ, be considered a Christian merely because she objects to giving a marriage license to two sodomites? By the ecumenical, visible church (and modern bible perversion users) standard I’m sure the answer would be a resounding “yes”. However, I am inclined to believe the bible – the Authorized (King James) bible of 1611 which says, “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” Ephesians 5:11. and “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? and what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,” 2 Corinthians 6:14-17. According to her testimony, she does not wish to violate her conscience by distributing the license and yet she does exactly that by meeting with and having fellowship with the pope. I also find it strange that after a mere five days in jail, is she now back in office. Why?

      “In August, Judge Bunning ruled that Ms. Davis MUST ISSUE LICENSES, and TWO HIGHER COURTS REFUSED TO BLOCK THE JUDGE’S ORDER. But Ms. Davis refused to comply and was subsequently jailed; SHE WAS SET FREE after five nights AND AFTER HER DEPUTY CLERKS BEGAN ISSUING LICENSES, AND Judge Bunning ordered that she not interfere.” Now, contrary to popular opinion, no judge makes an arbitrary order unless some kind of agreement has first been reached. This is not a published fact, but it is a fact nonetheless. If you go to a hearing, the two sides must come to an agreement about what will be done,paid, etc., and once that agreement is reached the parties sign the agreement and THEN the order is issued and not one minute before. So what agreement was reached in that courtroom that allowed this “Christian” woman to go back to her job? Why were her deputy clerks not issuing licenses while she was in jail? Why was she not released until AFTER they began issuing licenses to sodomites and she was “ordered” not to interfere? What prompted them to begin issuing the licenses again? The article continues where it left off:

      “She did not say whether she would do so until Monday morning, when, minutes before her office was scheduled to open, she stood in the doorway of Rowan County’s courthouse and lamented “A SEEMINGLY IMPOSSIBLE CHOICE that I do not wish on any of my fellow Americans: MY CONSCIENCE OR MY FREEDOM.”

      “I just want to serve my neighbors quietly,” she said, “without violating my conscience.”

      To balance (i.e. compromise) her religious convictions with Judge Bunning’s demands, she said, the licenses would not carry her authorization; instead, they would bear a notation that they were issued “pursuant to federal court order.”

      PURSUANT: (Adjective) – Proceeding after; following (usually followed by to): Pursuant to his studies he took a job in an office.

      In other words after the agreement that she made in the courtroom, which agreement amounts to changing the sodomite marriage licenses from bearing her name as the authority and replaces it with the name of the Federal Government. However, since she operates as an agent of the government in her position, the agreement does nothing to diminish her authority OR RESPONSIBILITY in issuing these licenses while she remains in that position. She still retains the same force and function as if she were signing the licenses herself. The deputy clerks still act upon her authority and THIS is why she was released.

      What Ms. Davis doesn’t realize, is that going against one’s conscience is the only way one can lose one’s freedom. You may lose a job and you may even lose your life but if you stick to it you will NEVER lose the love of the Lord Jesus Christ. The proof of her compromise is in the fact that she still has a job.

      God’s holy word in Luke 6:22-23 correctly states:
      Blessed are ye, when MEN SHALL HATE YOU, AND WHEN THEY SHALL SEPARATE YOU FROM THEIR COMPANY, AND SHALL REPROACH YOU, AND CAST OUT YOUR NAME AS EVIL, FOR THE Son of man’s sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

      The 2nd scripture is in Matthew 6:33 and is not part of Luke
      Matthew 6:33
      But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (“These things” that are to be added unto those who seek the kingdom of God first, are stated in the previous verses.)

      This was nothing more than a charade, another ploy to gather more support for the sodomite community and the pope.

      • Preacher62

        Point being that if……she did what she did to bring glory to God then she will be vindicated on that great and terrible day when our Lord returns. If she did it for personal attention or gain then that is all the reward she will ever receive. Jesus plainly stated that there are only two sides to life; those who are gathering with him and those who are scattering abroad, and there is no middle ground.
        In my opinion a Christian should not be working at a government job anyway.
        The Government is a worldly entity with worldly goals and ambitions. We are told time and again not to love it or be part of it.

  • Charles Reece

    Yes, Michael, we should indeed put God over “Caesar”, even if it means losing our jobs. The Christian Church in America is not used to this kind of persecution, given our God-blessed First Amendment right for freedom of religious expression — but within the context of our Judeo-Christian moral system, and not any other. Kim Davis stood up for Judeo-Christian standards, and that’s all that matters!!

    • Thomas

      Go ahead. Put your silly beliefs before your jobs. Discriminate people based on their sexual orientation because a book told you to. It’ll prove just how bitter, self-centered and elitist you guys are, but it’s up to you. The world is laughing at you.

      • Guest

        Embrace debauchery or be laughed at.
        Welcome to Sodom and Gomorrah.

        • Gay Veteran

          or don’t have a job that interferes with your religion.
          you don’t see Jews working at pork BBQ places

          • Calabash

            Ms. Davis was elected to her position many many years before the Supremes recently incorrectly classified homosexuals as a minority, like African-Americans who are born with black skin. If a person decides they want to be gay and commit sodomy, that is their choice and they should not receive special status or rights at the expense of the Constitutional rights of all other American citizens.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, we aren’t receiving special status only EQUAL protection of the laws.
            Bigots who opposed interracial marriage didn’t get to refuse to issue marriage licenses after the Supreme Court overruled miscegenation laws.
            and using your “logic” YOU could choose to be gay, now actually think about that for a few minutes (better yet, try thinking for yourself!)

          • DANA

            Your racial/sexual orientation comparison fails in logic. A persons race isn’t a barrier to them functioning as they were biologically designed to. Persons who engage in homosexuality are doing that which goes completely against nature and the bodies design.

          • Gay Veteran

            not very bright are you?
            nature has many examples of homosexuality

          • Gay Veteran

            bet you got all excited typing “sodomy”
            btw junior, my getting married does NOT affect your rights

          • Calabash

            Nor does a civil ceremony make you truly married in the eyes of God and anything that’s holy. All you’ve gained in reality is the legal obligation to abide by the divorce laws in your state. You haven’t changed a thing, Gay, other than to turn more people against you and your militant intrusions into the lives of 97% of Americans.

          • Gay Veteran

            well Pharisee, a lot of Christians totally disagree with you, so don’t pretend that 97% of Americans even care.

            “…You haven’t changed a thing….”

            you really don’t understand the legal consequences of marriage, eh

          • TheMatrixHasU

            Don’t you see the point to this article though? That is going to happen with many jobs and is starting to happen now.
            Nazi Germany again

          • Gay Veteran

            Christ on a raft, you American Christians don’t have a clue about persecution

          • Still Seeking

            Hard to think when your head is being used for a soccer ball — yep, literally.

      • Ragnar_NY

        Um – “the world is laughing at” Whom exactly? I would say that MOST of the world hold very strictly to some deity – it is rather you that is the odd man out in regards to faith. Try enforcing YOUR moral values in .. Africa? Those countries told Barry to stuff it, how about any place in the Middle East? Care to go with your brothers from another mother there and tell those folks how backward THEY are and how enlightened YOU are? Small man with a BIG mouth – that defines Thomas

        • Hugh Vincelette

          It is interesting to read the generous support of Islamic theology.

          • Gay Veteran

            LOL

      • algol2000

        The world will perish. Death is certain to all men. It is what lies after death that is uncertain because we have no control over that. But what we do have control over is this; what we choose to accept and do, and what we choose to reject in this life. You will do well to look into that.

      • DANA

        Ahh yes, “the world”. Go push your homosexual nonsense around most of the world and see how far you get. Go ahead, I dare you. You are and have been in every culture and in every time in history considered deviant and abnormal. Some cultures such as ours have tolerated you, but until now, none have celebrated you.

        • Gay Veteran

          “Twenty countries have approved the freedom to marry for same-sex couples nationwide (Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Iceland, Argentina, Denmark, France, Brazil, Uruguay, New Zealand, Britain, Luxembourg, Finland and Ireland), while Mexico allows the freedom to marry regionally and has court-directed provisions enabling same-sex couples to share in the freedom to marry….”

          • dan from ohio

            and how many have allowed incest relationships to prosper?Quite of few so I guess it to is allowed

          • Gay Veteran

            yes, because a relationship between two unrelated adults is the same thing as incest.
            jeez, you fundamentalists usually toss in beastiality

          • DANA

            They are not the exact same thing, but they are both deviant, and produce bad results when practiced; and yes, just like bestiality.

          • Thomas

            According to your logic:

            Two gay men = two humans.
            A man and a dog = two humans.

            A dog is not a human. Also, you say “deviant”. So what? How does it affect anyone else? It doesn’t. Your life, future and marriage is not inconvenienced in any way, shape or form by two gays marrying.

          • Gay Veteran

            the religious fundamentalists aren’t happy unless they’re running the lives of other people

          • Gay Veteran

            bet you got all excited writing “deviant”
            and sorry, but you don’t get to define deviant

          • M.

            Even the very demons themselves turn away when you sodomites practise unnatural vice, so disordered and disgusting is it.

          • Thomas

            A man sticking his junk into another man’s rump = “Bad, twisted, horrible, evil, sinful, inhuman, wrong!”

            A man sticking his junk into a woman’s crevice = “Perfectly acceptable.”

            I don’t get it. It’s a thing going into another thing.

          • Gay Veteran

            bet you got all excited writing that.
            btw, don’t you have a street corner to pray loudly at?

          • M.

            You shouldn’t include Spain and Portugal, there were massive protests against it in those two countries. There have been in France as well. Poland, Hungary and Croatia have not given in to the scum of the E.U.’s threats and have categorically refused to impose such unjust laws in their beautiful countries. They aren’t cowards thankfully.

          • Gay Veteran

            massive protests and yet the legislatures that passed marriage equality were NOT turned out of office, which makes the “massive protests” to be a minority

          • DANA

            The people of the state of California (a very liberal state) voted against homosexual marriage and the courts threw their LEGAL PROPOSITION out. People still voted for the same idiots though. Not everyone is a single issue voter like the homosexual activists.

          • Gay Veteran

            guess what Einstein, all those popular bans on interracial marriage also got thrown out

          • Ax2root

            The Word of God is not against interracial marriage.

            It opposes all homosexual behavior and defines marriage as only between one man and one woman ( Genesis , Matthew 19)

          • Gay Veteran

            and yet you Christians managed to use the Bible to justify banning interracial marriage, and to justify slavery (Bible couldn’t even get that one right)

          • Ax2root

            The Word of God is Truth.

            Not wrong thinking people who pervert what He says because they disagree with The Holy Ghost who ” rightly divides the Word of Truth”

          • Gay Veteran

            riiiiiight, not like you Christians don’t fight over the meaning of every verse

          • Ax2root

            Genesis and Jesus quoting Genesis in Matthew 19 are consistent that GODS will for marriage is ONLY marriage between one man and one woman.

          • Gay Veteran

            and yet “god” allowed polygamy for 100s of years!

            and interesting that “god” couldn’t flat out condemn slavery?!?!?

            so sorry, I will take no moral lectures from anyone using the bible

          • Ax2root

            Who’s giving lectures?

            God gave man free will to agree with God or the devil.

            Man in Genesis 1:26 was given authority over the earth.
            Gods will was told.

            Man disagreed.

            Christianity started with Jesus The Christ, the LAST Adam, the perfect Man

          • Gay Veteran

            try thinking for yourself.
            start with The Age of Reason

          • Ax2root

            Try desiring to know The Truth

            And expect to know.

            Be open to receiving The Truth

          • Gay Veteran

            the truth is that religion exists for 2 reasons:
            (1) man fears death
            (2) as a means of social control (obey the king or you’ll go to h ell).

            Heck, I’ll toss in a third reason:
            (3) as a means for priests and preachers to obtain wealth and power

          • Ax2root

            I am not interested in mans ideas of religion. Gods definition of religion is not mans definition.

            I desire to know the truth about spirit, soul, body regarding the continuing knowledge of The Truth available to man regarding the now and hereafter.

            Desire is a God given choice.

          • M.

            Judaeo-Masonry controls them the same way as they do vaunted America. The “elections” have a pre-determined result and are merely useful devices, akin to a pressure relief valve, they fool the more stupid among the Goyim into thinking they actually have some degree of control over what is inflicted on them, when in reality they have no more influence on those that rule them than Stalin’s slaves had over him.
            They haven’t gone full out yet, like Stalin did, but give them time. They can’t help themselves, they thirst for the blood of the innocent like a man dying in the desert thirsts for water.

          • Gay Veteran

            well I certainly agree that in elections we are given the illusion of choice

        • Thomas

          Funny that you assume I’m homosexual just because I’m defending homosexuals. I’m actually heterosexual.

      • DANA

        Two people of the same gender united in marriage, as if male/female biology has no part in marriage. I haven’t stopped laughing since the supreme court went against the constitution and “passed” this nonsense.

        • Gay Veteran

          I totally agree. A couple that can’t reproduce should NOT be allowed to marry.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            So, you are against homosexual marriage.

          • CorruptionInColumbia

            So you are saying that senior citizens and others who cannot reproduce due to physical issues should not be allowed to marry? Interesting…

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            I said no such thing. I say marriage should return to the churches and out of the hands of governments, usurpers, deviants, and insurrectionists. I’m responsible for what I type – not for how you twist it around.

          • Gay Veteran

            deviants? precisely what many think of Mormons

          • iris

            I agree! And, it’s separation of church and state, while maintaining religious freedom for individuals. But the individual is being replaced by the group, as evidenced in our public education system. Our daughter was told while pursuing a master’s in education, that she thought for herself too much. This was 10 years ago. No more classical education methods for us, rather, it’s all about getting dumbed down and silenced. Articulation need not always include expletives in a civilized society, but we’re not that anymore. They teach group think, consensus, no critical thinking, or independent thought allowed anymore, thank you very much. Just learn how to say yes, push a button, use a condom, and self destruct when they say your usefulness is over.

          • Thisoldspouse

            Not a feasible solution, if government will in ANY way sometimes recognize marriage. They must define what they recognize.

            So the local Metropolitan Community Church will “marry” two sodomites, and the government will recognize that for certain purposes? What did that solve?

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            How is this not feasible? Government doesn’t need to recognize anyone’s marriage – that’s not their purpose. Marriages and divorces are a Church/Faith matter. Divying up accumulated property can be worked into Church by-laws. Civil law isn’t needed.

            The government simply usurped authority that wasn’t theirs; those that did this require impeachment and prosecution.

          • Gay Veteran

            too dense to recognize sarcasm, eh

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            No, just good enough to spot hypocrisy.

          • Gay Veteran

            don’t understand the difference between sarcasm and hypocrisy, eh

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Yes, I do. And that’s why you lost.

          • Gay Veteran

            yes, because you say so

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Because you can’t keep your cool.

            Anyone who loses their temper and resorts to only using coercion and insults – which you do often – has no counterargument or any foundation for their beliefs. They’re defending their weak argument or hiding guilt. That’s debate class basics.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…can’t keep your cool….”

            using some more of those Alinsky tactics, eh

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Desperate.

            And it’s not an Alinsky tactic when you constantly loose your temper!

          • Gay Veteran

            there you go again with those Alinsky tactics.
            grow up already

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Man up already. You can’t take the heat, troll?

          • Gay Veteran

            more Alinsky tactics, eh

          • DANA

            It’s not JUST about reproducing, although that is an important part of marriage, and almost all marriages result in children. It’s about the biological anatomy/design of male/female that is so obviously meant to compliment each other and serve a function. It doesn’t matter if you “were born that way”, you weren’t designed to be homosexual. Just a simple SCIENTIFIC FACT.

          • Gay Veteran

            “… you weren’t designed to be homosexual….”

            are you that stone cold stupid?
            you want SCIENTIFIC FACTS, lots of homosexuality in nature

      • Annie

        Wow, Thomas. I’m sorry that you are so lost. And angry.

        • Gay Veteran

          making a lot of assumptions there

      • Geremono

        Yes Tomas the world is laughing. The world laughed at Jesus Christ too. I am comfortable with my skin. Are you?

      • Teknikid

        Thomas, oh doubting one, you are one to talk about being self-centered and elitist. Your kind have no problem bankrupting a business over a stupid cake, ruining families and throwing them out of their livelihoods.

        • Gay Veteran

          simple solution, truth in advertising!

          don’t want to bake a cake for a Gay marriage? then post a sign in your front door “we do not cater to Gay marriages”

      • sarah

        Do you really think a Christian cares the world is laughing?

        We are in this world, but not of this world.

        We are just passing through.

        I don’t expect you to understand what I just said.

        But, there are those here that understood every word.

        How does it feel being a piss ant for Satan?

        Cause that is what Satan, the Devil, will do.

        Piss all over you.

        I’d rather be a Christian than a piss ant.

        • Daddyotis

          “A piss ant for satan”

          Love it!

          • sarah

            :)

      • Charles Reece

        America is indeed a “Christian nation”. All this means is that; even though NOT every single American citizen is a so-called “born-again Christian” – or a “practicing Christian”; that NEVERTHELESS, the very expression, “Christian nation” simply means THAT the nation, “United States of America”, intentionally uses the “RELIGION” of Christianity – or the teachings of Jesus Christ – as the very BASIS for determining MORALITY, or distinguishing “right” from “wrong” (or “good” from “evil”) in every sector or institution of American life.

        Americans, RELATIVE to other nations of the world, are a “more religious” people – in the sense that their societal institutions and cultural expressions are pervaded with Biblical themes or Christian motifs, which openly or subliminally celebrate the spiritual/ideological concepts that forged the creation of their strong democratic-republic. This is a HISTORICAL fact that CANNOT be denied!

        A person DOES NOT have to be a “Christian” to recognize the TRUTH in the historical record that the Founding Fathers deliberately established “The Bible” as the STANDARD by which to determine the DEFINITION or CHARACTERIZATION of MORALITY in this country. The Founding Fathers very well could’ve used the Islamic “Koran”, the Hinduic “Vedas”, the Jewish “Talmud”, or some other “holy writ” to be the “standard” or basis for determining morality. But NO, they chose the Bible instead! And every other country has a sovereign God-given right to chart its own spiritual destiny, whether through “Moses” only, “Allah”, “Krishna”, “Buddha”, or some other “god” or religious teacher or philosopher. And the Founding Fathers of
        America just happened to land upon the “RIGHT” one; that being, by way of Jesus Christ alone; as my religious bias dictates – and unashamedly so!

        If the Founding Fathers didn’t “choose” Christianity to serve as a “moral guide” for the America People; well then, they very well could’ve chosen some “OTHER” religion or philosophy to be the STANDARD by which to establish MORALITY in this great country of ours. If it was NOT going to be “Christianity”, then it would’ve been some other philosophical/theological belief system, such as the secular-humanistic ones, like Marxism.
        Every civilization has a particular “moral code” or philosophy which to go by, whether pagan, atheistic, or Abrahamic. It is IMPOSSIBLE for any society or civilization to govern itself WITHOUT some kind of religion, philosophy, or belief system by which to ESTABLISH some kind of “moral order”; to keep the peace, or to maintain the general welfare of the people. And America is NOexception to this sociological fact!

        And all Kim Davis simply was doing, was standing up for America’s traditional historical Judeo-Christian standards of morality or religious belief system that governs the moral behavior of our country’s citizens. Every other tribe, nation, and empire throughout World History has CELEBRATED their respective religious/philosophical traditions with great PRIDE – and without shame. So why not we ourselves in America!!??

        not we ourselves in America!!??

        • Gay Veteran

          “…the very expression, “Christian nation” simply means THAT the nation, “United States of America”, intentionally uses the “RELIGION” of Christianity – or the teachings of Jesus Christ – as the very BASIS for determining MORALITY, or distinguishing “right” from “wrong” (or “good” from “evil”) in every sector or institution of American life….”

          that’s a flat out LIE

          “…A person DOES NOT have to be a “Christian” to recognize the TRUTH in the historical record that the Founding Fathers deliberately established “The Bible” as the STANDARD by which to determine the DEFINITION or CHARACTERIZATION of MORALITY in this country….”

          and yet they those not to even mention God in the Constitution

        • Gay Veteran

          “…And all Kim Davis simply was doing, was standing up for America’s traditional historical Judeo-Christian standards of morality or religious belief system….”

          more like stealing the tax payers’ money by refusing to do her job: issuing CIVIL marriage licenses

      • Phyllis Teeters Dawes Page

        You, Thomas, need prayer.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…Kim Davis stood up for Judeo-Christian standards….”

      hasn’t she been married four times and had twins out of wedlock?
      sorry, won’t be taking any lectures on morality from the likes of her

  • David

    so if this clerk whom is being held in contempt and incarcerated until
    she fulfills her sworn duties by issuing marriage licenses to straight
    & Gay couples alike, why is it our members of Congress whom refuse
    to fulfill their sworn duties to protect our southern borders from
    illegal invaders not also held in contempt and incarcerated until they
    fulfill their sworn duties?

    the hypocrisy, tyranny & corruption in this country is off the charts!

    • Gay Veteran

      INDEED

    • dan from ohio

      don’t forget how Obama,Holder and all the progressives ignored DOMA.our immigration laws concerning sanctuary cities.They ignored the law,they should be in jail.

  • Jordan

    Thankyou CRAT. I’m glad you can see how silly it is to get worked up about this. This is not the same at all as forcing a business owner to bake a cake for a gay wedding. When you work for government, everyone has equal right. The best thing to do about this would just be to get rid of the marriage license. There is christian persecution, but that is largely because the christians have stood down and allowed that state to fill the void left by by the church in outreach too communities.

  • Truth Be Told

    I am prepared to lose it all. Will sleep under a bridge and eat grass like a cow. By your patience possess your soul. What on earth or in heaven is more important than Yahushua? We will die for him, come hell or high water.

    • may

      Absolutely , amen.

    • Paul F

      AMEN!

    • iris

      By His strength, Yes, we’ll go from Life in Him to HIM, who IS the Way, the Truth and the Life. He wins!

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      Dude, come to Utah. We’ll back you up, no matter your faith. So long as you and yours come in peace.

  • Tatiana Covington

    I put myself before God and Caesar. They can go about their own affairs, while leaving me alone. I will not sacrifice myself for anyone or anything.

    • honest2

      You just did..

  • K

    In the times ahead. Christians will have to make many decisions. And by those decisions will you be known. Throughout history, there has been the ongoing war, between Good and Evil. What has happened as of late. Is this battle is changing from a cold war, to the beginnings of a hot war. We Christians have already been told, what to expect. The beginning of that time has arrived.

    • may

      You are so right

    • In 8 notch

      Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

      Revelation 12:12

    • Phyllis Teeters Dawes Page

      Not to despair and be depressed. My Father owns the cattle on a thousand hills. He will take care of His children in whatever their need is. I am rejoicing for my redemption draweth nigh.

  • may

    Kay you are right

  • G21

    Don’t fear, Christians. You’re greatly loved and you have the favor of God.
    If Jesus asks you to suffer for him, what of that? You’d gladly do so for the One who died for you, wouldn’t you?
    Remember those who have died for Jesus’ sake before you. What an honor to be mentioned with them!

    Read “Foxe’s Book of Christian Martyrs”. It documents the believers who suffered and died during the Inquisition. If it comes down to that, you won’t be alone!

    • Paul F

      AMEN!

    • Dale Graley

      Im In!

    • M.

      The Inquisition did a holy work trying to save Europe from the 16th century equivalent of Bolsheviks and Anarchists. All of your lot’s whinging about how persecuted you were reminds me of the Polish proverb about Jews: “The Jew cries in pain as he strikes you.”

      • Gay Veteran

        nice to see you’re honest enough to support the Inquisition, thus proving you’re a boot licking authoritarian

  • G21

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
    – Isaiah 5:20

    Those who call sexual immorality good, and Christianity evil, face WOE.

    • G21

      “This is the only Heaven they’ll ever know, and this is the only Hell we’ll ever know.”

      • Paul F

        Well said

        • The Money Hater

          I rebuke you satan in the name of Jesus. I cover my self with the blood of Christ and the devil monster won’t come near me.

    • Gay Veteran

      sorry, not going to take any lectures on morality from people whose religious texts could not absolutely condemn slavery, texts so clear that no Southern slave owner could use those texts to justify slavery

      • loadnup

        whatever you choose to loose is obviously your decision.. but know this: that will work right up to the day you die.

        • Gay Veteran

          and then it doesn’t matter.
          sorry you fear death so much you believe in fantasies

          • M.

            Come on boy, don’t tell me that you wouldn’t scream and plead for mercy if someone had a cocked revolver to your head right now, all you’ve got to live for is the most disgusting filth imaginable. You may think that death will be mean nothing but oblivion for you, but deep down you know better. You’ll answer for your abomination whether you like it or not. There’s no escaping it. You had better leave off doing things that make a normal person vomit now.

          • Gay Veteran

            poor M., religion exists for 2 reasons:
            (1) man fears death
            (2) as a means of social control (obey the king or you’ll go to h ell)

            heck, I’ll toss in a 3rd reason:
            (3) as a means for priests and preachers to obtain money and power

  • im4truth4all

    The following information is for orthodox Catholics. A recent book called “The Five Beasts of St. Hildegard – Prophetic Symbols of Modern Society” describes 5 brief historical periods that must take place which are back to back and prepare the way for the Antichrist. The 5 Beasts represent the brief historical periods. There is also no conditionality to the prophecy. St. Hildegard was made a Doctor of the Catholic Church by Pope Benedict.
    The book is easy reading and only 84 pages. The author makes a very compelling case, in my opinion, that we are coming to the end of the 4th period if we have not already completed it. What is particularly alarming is the violent nature of the 5th period. At the end of the 5th period will come the son of perdition.

    • Annie

      Planned Parenthood is particularly alarming and violent to me. A friend of mine is Catholic; I’ll ask her about a copy. Thank you.

      • im4truth4all

        The book can be purchased on amazon.

    • DANA

      I’m not a Catholic and have nothing against them, but I agree something BIG is on the horizon. I have faith in God and have studied his word to the best of my ability. Everything I’ve ever read can be summed up quite easily, God has a threshold, and when it’s crossed all hell is unleashed, literally!

    • Gay Veteran

      you can find the book in the Fiction section of your local library

      • M.

        It’s coming to pass even now, but you are too blinded by your practising unnatural vice to see.

        • Gay Veteran

          ohhhhhhhhh, bet you got all excited typing “unnatural vice”.
          Hey Einstein, nature many examples of homosexuality

          • M.

            I doubt this, but even if it be so, you’re not a beast. You have the use of reason, they don’t. They have emotions and imagination and instinct and very frequently act on instinct. Certain scents alert the male that the female is ready to mate and so on.
            I recall reading a story in one of James Herriot’s books about a dog who suffered from a rare hormonal condition which oddly enough caused him to emit such a scent. All of the male dogs would get after him every time his owner took him for a walk. This wasn’t because they had made a conscious decision that they would commit sodomitical acts, they simply perceived the other male as being a female due to the peculiar condition, and I’m sure any instances from nature you could adduce are simply variations of the same sort of thing, you’ll have to try harder.
            How can such acts appeal to you so much that you must persist doing them and defending them at every opportunity? Halt, and do penance now before it is too late.

          • Gay Veteran

            try harder? try educating yourself, try thinking for yourself

            “…Halt, and do penance now before it is too late.”

            you need to do penance for your hate filled heart

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Actually, since you also believe in Darwinian evolution; doesn’t that make you a self-hater? Darwinian evolution requires unguided natural selection and mutation to create new species. Since you decided not to create offspring via natures means; by Darwinian standards have you violated the natural order of life?

            And according to the late Dr. Will Provine, Dr. Michael Ruse, the late Christopher Hitchens, and Richard Dawkins; there is no morality and no real human free will. So you can’t say you have a right to choice because you have no right to free will, or you’ll be against Darwinian Evolution.

            Such a quandary…

          • iris

            good one. Truth is divisive, isn’t it?

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Just watch – she’ll avoid answering and use some snide comment.

          • iris

            Say again? Are you referring to moi? my thanks 20 hours ago for your comment 21 hours ago was just that. Truth is divisive because it causes one to choose. Appreciate your comments!

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            No, I was referring to gay veteran. Sorry.

          • Gay Veteran

            great strawman you built there, but I guess you think you’re a brilliant person

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You really need to learn what a strawman argument is. Your using a grammatical error to charge me with a logical fallacy.

            And with intelligence; wish I was smarter and wiser.

            And would you kindly answer the #$%&ing questions?

          • Gay Veteran

            the fate of mankind does not hinge on me reproducing.
            god help us if you have “contributed” to the gene pool

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            I have contributed very much! :)

            No, the posterity of mankind doesn’t hinge on your personal contribution. What I find odd is your claim that women are enslaved by men, so you became homosexual to liberate women!

            That makes absolutely no sense according to your lot’s Darwinian Evolution idea: the male and female, by means of prompting evolutionary biology and furthering the species, are compelled physically via chemical-level biology to reproduce. There is no freedom of choice in this scenario laid out by Mr. Darwin, Dr. Ruse, Mr. Dawkins, and such. So, by your own admission – you are self-contradicting; proving Darwinian Evolution is a choice or invalid as a materialist scientific theory – which is it?

          • Gay Veteran

            “…What I find odd is your claim that women are enslaved by men, so you became homosexual to liberate women!….”

            WTF?!?!?
            you are a pathological LIAR

            “…There is no freedom of choice in this scenario laid out by Mr. Darwin, Dr. Ruse, Mr. Dawkins, and such….”

            don’t know why you are so fixated on evolution, but common sense tells you that people have a choice whether to reproduce (and most do!)

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            If I’m wrong, then you’ll have no problem proving me wrong. That is the reason you gave me.

          • Gay Veteran

            don’t know why I waste my time with a pathological liar like you.

            “…What I find odd is your claim that women are enslaved by men, so you became homosexual to liberate women!….”

            (1) women are enslaved by men IF men try to control their reproduction;
            (2) WHERE did I say that I became gay so I could liberate women?!?!?
            that doesn’t even make sense, but that is expected from a pathological liar like YOU since you just make sh *t up

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Why do I waste my time with you? Because I’m blowing off steam pissing off usurpers and finding the weakness of your arguments, while refining my own.

            Why do you keep it up? Because you know I’m right – and afraid of it.You have to stop me and others or lose what your lot has tried to corrupt for decades.

            How do men try to control a woman’s reproduction? That makes no sense.

            Try this: women are actually raping men as often as men rape women. It’s called “Made to Penetrate” by the CDC (sources: “CDC: ‘National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, 2010’, ‘ “Vocativ ‘Made to Penetrate: Female-on-Male Rape’). The instances of men being raped by women on college campus is 1:6. Plus, there are instances of women stealing a man’s seed and impregnating herself without his consent (one example: ‘Woman Steals Ex-Boyfriends Sperm, Has Twins, Sues Him For Child Support’). Women are becoming more predatory and willing to harm a man sexually for her own pleasure and to get wealth. Sorry, but your argument is invalid when women also tries to control a man’s reproductive rights.

            As for your reasons for homosexuality. That’s what you gave me several months ago. Go look in your posting history, for once.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…How do men try to control a woman’s reproduction? Th at makes no sense….”

            uh, by forcing a woman to give birth. are you that stupid???

            hey Einstein, I condemn rape no matter who does it.

            “…but your argument is invalid when women also tries to control a man’s reproductive rights….”

            tell us another fairy tale about how hard it is to adopt.

            reasons for homosexuality?
            see Nature

          • Gay Veteran

            usurpers? it is SO cute when a troll learns a new word.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            What’s the definition of usurper? Please.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey junior, you’re the one tossing that word around

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Would you kindly look it up and post here. I wanna see if you’re capable of doing your work.

          • Gay Veteran

            you see, there’s this thing called Google, use it to educate yourself

      • DANA

        You may be confusing this topic with books about how homosexual marriage and heterosexual marriage are =

        • Gay Veteran

          you may be confusing a constitutional republic with a theocracy

  • Tallkiwi

    It’s called the law…I thought Christians were supposed to obey the law? If you argue gods law is above common law why don’t you go along with the stoning of adulterers and many of the other death sentences handed down in the bible? If you don’t want to carry out your job then quit! It’s the same for everybody.

    • G21

      Those death sentences are Old Covenant.
      Remember the words of Jesus –
      – “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”

      True, Christians are to obey the just laws of Government.
      But when Government’s laws are unjust, “we ought to obey God rather than men.” – Acts 5:29

    • Kent Harris

      The Supreme Court ruling is unconstitutional in that two of the justices had presided over a gay marriage making the case illegitimate.

      • Gay Veteran

        were those marriages performed in jurisdictions that already allowed marriage equality for Gays?

  • Shimshon

    You need the manual on how to fight back. Buy Vox Day’s “SJWs Always Lie.”

  • Thomas

    Why should your personal beliefs stand in the way of two people wanting to get married legally? Answer me that. Now.

    • Guest

      Some are guided by a higher code than the Federal Government. Why should the personal beliefs of less than 2% of the population destroy the family unit as God intended? Answer me that. Now. Oh, and…

      If you can’t acknowledge that American society is in decay, you are providing proof that it is.

      • Gay Veteran

        “…Why should the personal beliefs of less than 2% of the population destroy the family unit as God intended?…..”

        and just how is YOUR family unit being destroyed?

        • Guest

          You lack reading comprehension. THE family unit.

          • Gay Veteran

            can’t even come up with one example, eh junior

        • phaggotsuck

          Mine won’t be, queer.
          The first attempt to pervert my family will result in me stacking your festering, perverted shells up like cord wood.
          F you and your defiled, satanic government god.
          Praise the Lord and pass the bullets.

          • Gay Veteran

            sad pathetic troll

      • Thomas

        Your have right to beliefs, but so do others, and theirs come before yourself because gay marriage is legal, so there were no laws broken here. A majority of Americans voted for and legalised it officially, so your beliefs are redundant. A person whose job it was to award marriage to a couple who had the right to marry, refused to do so, hatefully discriminated them in the process and depriving them of a freedom. A freedom that doesn’t affect your life or anyone else’s. You fear that God is unhappy? He’s just inside your head… he is a belief and has nothing to do with two people wanting to marry LEGALLY.

        • Guest

          Please enlighten us on the creation of the universe,wise one, since you claim my God doesn’t exist.

          • Thomas

            Nobody knows for sure, how the universe got here, but to be fair, I feel as though the universe never began in the first place, it’s always been here, an eternal, endless network of billions of ever-changing galaxies. That makes far more sense that some man with infinite power emerging from thin air and making it from nothing. I’m glad I’m an atheist so I can have my own interpretation of the universe’s birth, or lack thereof.

          • M.

            The universe in its complexity requires a Designer. Does a Mauser rifle form itself, pulling iron ore out of the ground and refining it into steel, making a tree give its wood for the stock, forming itself into the expertly measured and manufactured parts so that everything will be in order and work right? What a joke. You infidels are a joke also. You will get what’s coming to you sooner or later. Do penance now before it is too late.

          • Gay Veteran

            theists and atheists are so arrogant in their certainty

          • Guest

            Proverbs 18:2

            A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

          • Gay Veteran

            good parrot, Polly want a cracker?

          • guest

            Will you be expecting us to pay for your depends and healthcare ?
            Will you queer teeth gnashers next demand free access to our boys ?

          • Gay Veteran

            poor stupid troll

        • M.

          You are a fool. The ancient pagans were certain of God’s existence from the use of human reason alone, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle come to mind. Evil is evil and it has no rights. Saying that sodomites have a “right” to “marry” is disgusting nonsense. You infidel cockroaches want only to be filthy beasts, the only “freedom” you care about is the “freedom” to do evil, the “freedom” of anarchy. Every good and decent person spits on your so-called “freedom”.
          They know how to deal with your kind in Russia. This difference in mentality between the Eastern countries and the apostate western nations is what makes certain a swift Russian victory should a war ever break out. The Russians will crush the whole lot of them like bugs.
          That is however unnecessary, all they would have to do really is threaten to cut off electrical power thus rendering the various “devices” inoperable. This would have the populations of the worthless apostate western countries grovelling, screaming and pleading for mercy in no time.

          • Thomas

            You need mental help. I honestly believe that people like you have a mental illness. I know some Christians in real life in my country (UK) and they respect those that do not believe. AND they rightfully respect homosexuals. They are also plenty of gay Christians out there, who believe in God. Your hateful, judgemental, elitist, neo-Nazi mindset is sickening. Your view of love is warped, backwards, shallow, prehistoric. The world is laughing at hyper-pious, brainwashed brutes like you. Instead of choosing to love and accept, you choose to hate and shame.

          • M.

            They wouldn’t laugh in Poland and they wouldn’t laugh in Russia. For the matter of that, they wouldn’t laugh in Persia. All of these countries are better than modern neo-pagan Great Britain, America and all the rest of the apostate western open sewers that dare to raise their worthless cockroach selves against the Almighty God and say that evil and abomination has “rights”.
            The future belongs to the Eastern nations. The decadent western “democracies” must necessarily fall before those who are their superiors in obedience to the natural law and in martial valour if nothing else.
            You must be mentally deranged to call the disgusting stomach-turning activities of filthy sodomites “love”. Great Britain is doomed. It started down the road to destruction in the 16th century when the depraved King Henry VIII, another cockroach, saw fit to set up his own “church” so he could “marry”, that is enter into an adulterous union with Anne Boleyn. That is why God is giving Britain into the hands of the Mohammedans.
            I must say I respect the Mohammedans more than neo-pagans like you. At least they follow the natural law somewhat and have courage very often rather than being disgusting cowards who live only for this world and its vile pleasures.

          • Gay Veteran

            speaking of cockroaches, how’s your mom? now go back to licking Putin’s boots.
            and natural law? see Nature for many instances of homosexuality.
            and I’m sure you have NEVER read John Stuart Mill’s “On Liberty”

          • M.

            Now, now laddie, I don’t like you either, but I’ll not insult your family, after all I have no way of knowing whether or not they contributed in turning you into the specimen you are in any way. I feel sorry for your ancestors that they have the shame of having one their descendants sink into such unspeakable depths of depravity.
            Statistically I would advise you to be more careful and not share the needles so liberally, as most sodomites are also degenerate drug addicts, most probably due to them knowing how dishonourable and contemptible such acts are, they try to push away the horror of it all, for a few hours anyhow.
            I can’t know if you are such a one or not, I’ll presume you aren’t for charity’s sake, but if I’m mistaken do take care. Hepatitis is a horrible disease.

          • Gay Veteran

            and in your case mental retardation is a horrible disease.
            so sad you have so much hatred in your heart

          • guest

            No such thing as a queer Christian.

          • Gay Veteran

            LIAR

          • Gay Veteran

            hmmmm, sounds like you should move to another country where Big Government tells people how to live their lives.

            try Saudi Arabia

      • Gay Veteran

        and how has YOUR family unit been destroyed?

    • G21

      They aren’t my “personal beliefs”. They’re the truths that have been revealed to me by the Holy Spirit.

      Also, marriage was created by God, not man. He gets to decide the definition of it.
      A better question would be, Why should your personal beliefs sink an entire nation into the mire of sin?

      • algol2000

        People, stop going to the government for a marriage license. Problem solved.

      • Robert

        Christians get divorced at the same rate as nonchristians. Divorce is as heinous to God as homosexuality. Too many Christians want things both ways.

      • Gay Veteran

        so polygamy should be legal

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          Search for “legalize polygamy” numerous articles from feminists calling for it.

      • Gay Veteran

        no, they’re your personal beliefs.
        God created marriage? yeah, polygamy

      • Gay Veteran

        marriage was created by man

    • Kent Harris

      First Amendment rights protects those who wish to express their religious beliefs. She as all Americans have the right to do so. When she was sworn in like all who take the oath must abide by the Constitution first. Judges in this country no longer abide by the Constitution as they were sworn to do so. The Supreme Court ruling had a conflict of interest when two of the judges had presided over a gay marriage wedding so that they were bias when the suit came before them, making their ruling unconstitutional.

      • Gay Veteran

        “First Amendment rights protects those who wish to express their religious beliefs. She as all Americans have the right to do so…..”

        using your “logic” then country clerks who oppose interracial marriage for religious reasons should be allowed to deny CIVIL marriage licenses to interracial couples

        • Kent Harris

          The effects on our society are related to the morality of its people. The issue of gay marriage and interracial marriage are unrelated. One could argue that a person would desire to marry their dog but that in of itself does not constitute marriage. It is between one man and one woman and this has been for thousands of years.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, how would a dog give consent?

            “…It [marriage] is between one man and one woman and this has been for thousands of years.”
            just ignore all those years of polygamy (which continue today)

          • Kent Harris

            It is fact that as a society that aspires to a one man and one woman bond you have a healthy society and all others lead to degradation. You look at past empires what is one of the leading reasons for their fall and that is sexual immorality. Like it or not history is repeating itself and Americans are repeating those exact same mistakes. Saying it isn’t so doesn’t jive with the facts. This country is purposefully committing suicide. You may laugh but those who mock history and don’t learn from it are fools.

          • Gay Veteran

            “It is fact that as a society that aspires to a one man and one woman bond you have a healthy society and all others lead to degradation…”

    • chris

      I do wonder why they chose that Church and not a Jewish synagogue or a Mosque. Why do you think? Good for Kim Davis.

    • Why should your personal beliefs stand in the way of violating mine?

      Answer that.

      • Thomas

        Your beliefs are hateful, backwards and discriminatory. The beliefs of those gays who wanted to marry was this: They loved each other enough to want to be each other’s husband. That’s all. Your beliefs are: You feel Kim Davis was justified in discriminating them and depriving them of a legalised and harmless freedom and right, all because an old, unverified book told you so. How does their marriage affect your life, or anyone’e life but there’s? Your beliefs are not more important than theirs.

        • And their beliefs are not more important than mine.

          • Ax2root

            Agreed!!! The mind of Christ views are to be held by all!!

            Hi Adam! I am now off my regular site, not by choice nor do I know why…so if anyone asks that is why.

            Shalom!

          • Oh, hi Ax2root :) Long time no see!

            Were you banned by Charisma News (that’s what happened to me, unfortunately…)?

            I’ve been starting to log back in to my DISQUS account, here recently. I normally browse through articles on Michael’s sites (economiccollapseblog, etc.), other Christian news sites, or just any site that happens to have a story that catches my interest. I’ve also been continually adding more subjects on my study site.

            Shalom, as well!

          • Ax2root

            Hi Adam! Yes…we are in the ” booted by Charisma recovery group ” with AFchief ROFLOL,!,!!,!

            Why? We do not know.

            I will follow you and find good new sites…

            ShaloM!!!

          • Well, I ended up doing something foolish to earn mine (I explained to afchief in another response), so I just have to accept the decision and go forward.

            Otherwise, I do tend to post on Michael Snider’s sites (this one, themostimportantnews, economic collapse blog, etc.), as well as other Christian news sources. Just anyplace where I can find an opportunity to post some of the comprehensive Scripture subject studies I’ve been completing :)

          • Ax2root

            Good to know Adam…

            Good hearing from you!

            Shalom!

    • Ax2root

      They are not married…homosexuals will NEVER be married.

      Like nazis changed the laws before they murdered..murder was still murder…

      And homosexuals will NEVER BE MARRIED…no matter how many laws man changes.

      Truth is truth…and man does not change truth

      • Gay Veteran

        and the truth is you lost, just like your kind lost about interracial marriage

        • guest

          Your ‘victory’ is temporary and deceptive.
          Enjoy your perversion, you will have an eternity to regret your refusal of the gift Jesus offers.

          • Gay Veteran

            bet you got all excited typing “perversion”.
            the only perversion here is your hatred

      • guest

        “They are not married…homosexuals will NEVER be married.”
        Because the 2 fleshes can never become 1.
        Male / female compliment and complete each other, Spiritually as well as physically.
        Because what was taken from Adam was used to create Eve.
        Adam has no use, need, or desire for steve.

        • Gay Veteran

          just ignore nature

  • Chris Sky

    The war on Whites, Males and Christians moves ahead FULL STEAM!

    • Guest

      Imagine being a White Christian Police Officer. It’s open season.

      • AmberJeanetteGardner

        Actually, we had two cops, one white and one black, murdered in the city I work in. Liquori Tate used to come to my store and I spoke to the other one a time or two.

      • Ax2root

        We must have their backs….the way to oppose bullies is to stand ENMASSE AGAINST them!!

        • Gay Veteran

          the police are the modern day version of the highwayman, they are not your friends but instead enforcers for the State

          • M.

            If it weren’t for the police you would have been robbed and had your throat cut a long time ago. You hate them because in your mind they represent authority, and you hate authority of any kind because it might perhaps curtail your unnatural urges one day and you can’t have that.

          • Gay Veteran

            when seconds matter the police are minutes away.
            authority? more like authoritarian, but you can lick their boots all you want

          • Phyllis Teeters Dawes Page

            You, my friend, need prayer. And, I do mean Gay Veteran.

          • Gay Veteran

            I’m not your friend, and you need to think for yourself

        • afchief

          Good to see ya Ax. I’ve Been banned from Charisma.

          • Don’t feel bad, chief. I got booted off there a couple of months back, myself (although it was my fault).

            You should still be able to post on their sister sites, though. I found out just earlier that I’m still able to post on Charisma Magazine.

          • Still Seeking

            I haven’t seen Amos lately either. Miss everyone :( Maybe I’m next?

          • Ax2root

            Amos Moses also? WHY .? And where am I that we are having a ” banned by charisma” group meeting…?

            I found this site through Soundmind..I think she got banned a while ago

          • Still Seeking

            Have we been raptured? Where’s demmigreene?

          • Ax2root

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…I don’t think so…yet…

            I don’t know is demmigreene gone also?

            I saw Annie is on…she was telling Mensa Member that she was NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES..a With her fake name and used to be called Truth talker.

          • Well, I definitely deserved mine (I explain it in another response to afchief on this thread). I’ve just gotta live with the decision and go forward (although I’m still able to post on their sister sites, such as Charisma Magazine).

            Otherwise, I tend to post on Michael Snider’s sites here, or other Christian news sources online. I’m trying to become active again in posting comprehensive Scripture subject studies for others to read :)

          • Still Seeking

            Hope to see you on other sites and all my other favorite posters, too. Blessings :)

          • afchief

            For what? I called a homosexual an idiot. I think it is a good thing. I was wasting too much time on their site.

          • …and yet it takes Charisma News, like what, 2-3 months to finally ban certain trolls after making literally 100’s of provocative remarks on their articles?

            As for me, I thought it would be funny one morning to mock a certain troll (TT) by making a clone account of him. When they banned that account, they banned my IP address along with it. I let temptation get the better of me, and paid the price for it.

            I’ve also got to apologize to you, chief. You responded to that clone account a couple of times that morning before it got banned. That wasn’t right of me draw others into that mockery, also. I am sorry for doing that.

          • afchief

            You and Ax and a few others were the only ones I respected on that site.

            Too many wishy-washy Christians and way too many trolls.

            My wife told me to get off that site a long time ago. Now I have no excuse.

            They will let you back on if you email them after 30 or 60 days and ask for permission to post again.

          • I actually went ahead and did that, and apologized for my past actions. The site admin responded within a day and lifted the ban on my IP.

            I’m thankful, and I’ve definitely learned my lesson (although I’ll continue to post on different sites outside of the Charisma brand). Thanks for informing me about that!

          • Ax2root

            I ASKED them what I did wrong and got no response so I don’t know what apology would be expected since I am unaware of breaking their rules.

          • Ax2root

            I suspect TT IS NOW posting as another poster I will call MM…

            I SEE annie also suspects the same thing of MM.

          • It’s definitely him.

          • Ax2root

            Not me…I am also blocked from the magazine..though I don’t know WHY there either.

          • afchief

            I now know what happened at Charisma and I will not be coming back. Read my email to and from them here;

            On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:21 PM,

            Charisma, can I (afchief) have permission to post again?

            Hello afchief

            We had removed your account in an attempt to try and bring some civility back into our comments section. You were only one of multiple people removed in this effort. It worked. Although there is still bickering and disagreeable people the level of vitriol is down and the number of conversions that remain civil through to the end is up significantly.

            You had a tendency to pick fights, inject yourself into other people’s conversions (degrading them into arguments) and belittling or mock people who you didn’t agree with. You were almost always in “attack mode” and that’s not what we’re looking for. If you only posted once in while we might have been able to ignore it but you were so prolific in your posting that you often seemed to take over the comments section of some articles, driving away people who just wanted to have a real or civil conversion without being attacked.

            The thought of restoring your access makes me (and the other moderators) nervous. We don’t want to give up the gains we’ve made our community. We are developing other steps to further stress the need for civility.

            This is one of those situations where if we were to restore your access it would require that you make a commitment to change how you act and treat others on our sites. This would require not only that you don’t do what you did before but also that you don’t let others drag you down (ie, if someone you disagree with tries to pick a fight, you don’t bite, you take the higher ground, even if that means ending/ignoring the conversion). Only you know if you can make that sort of change and only you can decide if it’s worth it.

            Drew Glaser
            Internet Manager
            Charisma Media

            On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:28 PM,

            Civility? You mean being politically correct? Was Jesus civil when He said “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father.” John 8:44? Was Jesus civil when He said “ “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

            Does speaking the truth scare you Mr Glaser? Apparently so! You don’t want lies confronted. You do not want sin confronted. You want to be politically correct. How sad! Paul said in Ephesians 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; I guess to be “civil” we are to embrace, encourage, and love those who practice such fruitless acts and not expose them. Is this what Charisma is all about?

            I was told a long time ago by several Spirit filled Christians to get off of your website because of false doctrine. I truly now see why.

            In closing do not restore my account.

            In Jesus, afchief

            Hello afchief,

            Your reply is a perfect example of why you’re not mature enough to return to our community. I’ll gladly keep you banned. I hope that one day you’ll find peace.

            Drew Glaser
            Internet Manager
            Charisma Media

            Mature enough? Wow! Your site truly has become politically correct and afraid of the truth. The proof is in the pudding by who you allow to post on your site. Having people like Mensa Member who has changed his name several times on your site and claims to be a Christian but lies continuously shows me that you have a double standard.

            Last month myself, Ax2root, Adam in Christ and another poster met on another site and discussed the reasons we were banned. We came to the conclusion that we are the few that do not separate our faith from anything and are not afraid to speak out about it. It is quite apparent Mr Glaser you are. You and your staff are more concerned about being politically correct then standing for truth and righteousness as evident of your previous email. Sad!

            No I have no desire to come back to a website where you are not allowed to speak truth. Where you are not allowed confront lies and sin. It is quite apparent we live in a time where deception has never been more prevalent.

            In Jesus, afchief

          • Wow, chief… I’ve got to say that this person’s tone to you in the first reply was a bit condescending (“You were only one of multiple people removed…it worked”). That could’ve been worded better, indeed…

            I have to also agree on the apparent double-standards they currently have running. For instance, Mensa Member. It’s commonly known on there that he’s breaking the terms of use by running a second account after being banned (Talkin_Truth). He also continually makes posts designed to antagonize, with snide remarks made toward conservatives as well as posting assertions that go contrary to Scripture.

            If I was a mod there, I would not be tolerating nonsense under the guise of “tolerance”. People would be finding themselves banned and booted quick. So, going by his words, it sounds like they’re more focused on building “community” then edifying the body of Christ.

            I think it would be a great idea if DISQUS had invite-only channels.

          • afchief

            It showed me their heart and what they are all about. Be careful and feel free to share this with anyone on Charisma.

          • concern

            Hey cheif, I was wondering what happened to you on Charisma. Now I know. I just read your post.
            For what it’s worth, I think it is quite petty for them to banned you. I disagree with your views on many occasions, but I did not feel it was necessary to ban you.
            I believe these sites are for grown ups and mature individuals who should be able to take the heat of others opinions and if not then they should get out of the kitchen.
            It’s funny that they set the tone with their articles but still want to control people’s thoughts and opinions.
            However, I take nothing personally, just so you know.
            Blessings.

          • afchief

            That was very kind of you to say. Yes I know we disagree on a lot of things but we are still brothers in Christ. One day we will meet in heaven and have a laugh about all this.

            Again, thanks and be blessed.

          • concern

            Yes, we will tell the story how we overcame and we will understand it better by and by….
            Blessings.

          • afchief

            Oh and by the way, I apologize if I have ever offended you. That was never my intention.

          • concern

            You have not…no need for apology.

          • concern

            You have not offended me , none was taken …no need for apologies…

          • Wootsauce

            Well…. That’s pretty telling.

          • From the way it looks over there, I will probably get the boot also. God Bless you my brother!

          • afchief

            Thanks brother! Miss some of you guys over there at Charisma.

          • Missing you also on Charisma. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

          • afchief

            Yours too. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

          • you could use VPN. disqus blocks people by email, IP address, password (or same characters that make up part of a password), username? and possibly even your photo

            additionally disqus has a literary comparison checker. I think if a certain amount of text matches a blacklisted user anyone else who tries to post that text gets moderated as well

            if you use multiple IP addresses with the same name and or email and or password all of these could be added to your account and blacklisted as well

          • Ax2root

            Me too!!! About four days ago? No warning …no idea WHY!!!!

            How about you?

            You know i read an article by Steve Strang welcoming new management,…think that has anything to do with it?

            Do you have any idea WHY we were suddenly banned?

          • afchief

            It was my fault. I called a homosexual an idiot. He would not listen to logic or reasoning and kept going on and on about the SCOTUS ruling on gay marriage.

          • Ax2root

            To my knowledge I didn’t call anyone a name…..

            If you had said he was an idiot THINKER Do you think they would have kept you on? Because it was his thinking that you objected to.

            But AFchief, what do you, me and Adam have in common?

            Also, someone has mentioned not seeing Amos Moses on there also….Amos also posted relative political views relating to Christianity.

            Politics and Christianity are inseparable. Laws reflect morality. Politics determine whether money is spent to the glory of GOD or the god of mammon.

            Soundmind is still on…so that is good. And so is Annie, also good.

            Christians are NOT to retreat from battles but move onward to overcome in the wisdom of The Holy Spirit and By His leading.

            I see a major danger coming to the church regarding ACCEPTANCE of a One World Religion in the fake name of ” unity” which is NOT unity in the MIND OF CHRIST..

            WATCH THE WORDS OF THE POPE IN SEPT as he speaks in the USA

            I will be watching the articles written by Christians about him and his words also.

            Shalom AFchief !

            Do you ever post on THE HILL.?

            I think our elected leaders read it or are aware of it.

            Cheers!

          • afchief

            As usual, well said Ax! You, I and others need to find a site were we can discuss issues from a biblical perspective and not be concerned about getting banned for our views.

          • Ax2root

            Agreed AFchief…I was posting on The Hill all day regarding Obama bringing in 10,000 AND MUCH MUCH MORE….potential terrorists and idiot would be a term of endearment to hear

            Shalom! Cheers!

          • afchief

            Ax read my latest response to Adam below.

          • Ax2root

            Ok will look for it now

    • The Money Hater

      God needs to destroy satan now.

      • loadnup

        That is why he made you…….

      • Ax2root

        He did on Calvary’s cross.

        Now the body of Christ must ENFORCE THE VICTORY

      • TheMatrixHasU

        Oh its gonna happen bro. Patience :-)

  • Todd P

    My family and I are leaving the country – hope to be gone before the end of the year. We are going to an island country where there is no gay marriage, abortion is illegal, and the rainbow is God’s promise not to destroy the world by flood. I can’t wait!

    • windywillows357

      You can run, but you will not escape this, The whole world will turn against Christians. Haven’t you read the Bible?

      • Todd P

        Yes, I have. But there are some places where Christianity is not yet hated. You can live anywhere you please; we will live where they still honor the Lord. We will keep the faith until we see our Lord face to face. No one knows the day or the hour – it could be this year, or 1,000 years from now – but we will be living where they still honor Jesus Christ, and live our lives accordingly.

        • windywillows357

          Amen….

          But we will stay and fight until the Lord calls us home.

      • iris

        And against Israel, all gathered together in the valley of Megiddo. God wins, though, regardless.

        • iris

          I should have realized that this comment could be confusing because of a time lapse. To clarify, I believe all the nations of the world will be gathered together against Israel in the Battle of Armageddon, referred to in multiple places in Scripture, especially in Zechariah. God will protect and defend Israel, and punish all the nations of the world for coming against His people and dividing His land.

    • The Money Hater

      Satan you are A very ugly looking beast.

      • Todd P

        I forgive you.

        • Annie

          Geographical cure. Hmmmm…

    • Gay Veteran

      try Saudi Arabia

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      God be with you ’til we meet again!

    • Pastor Glenn

      Don’t keep us in suspense. Where is this island nation? Pastor Glenn

  • Thomas Braun

    1,000 religions and Christianity is the only true one, and you were blessed not to be born into and programmed and indoctrinated into 1 of the 999 that are wrong (if born Muslim, you would be speaking for it, as surely as you speak for Christianity).

    True insanity in this world is religion, regardless of which one, and its adherents truly are insane. Like Jews relish oppression for the sake of benefits NOW, Christians relish oppression for the sake of benefits later.

    Christians cannot see past the cross, consider it a privilege to bear it, feel elitist, prideful, special and chosen for doing it, and seek and expect a heavenly reward for their self-inflicted misery here, and then glorify themselves by declaring, “We do it for Jesus, for His glory,” as if a God needed puny man’s adoration (and if He does, He’s very sick, just like the people who created him).

    The very idea of being subservient to and groveling before God (whether real or imagined) for blessings, is abhorrent to every sane thinking person.

    • G21

      What you say makes a lot of sense, except for one little point which puts the lie to your entire post –
      – You forget that Christians have essentially lived two lives – before their conversion and after. So we have experience, knowledge and perspective from both sides of the issue. We know more about it than you, and it is still what we choose, because with our perspective we can see that it is indeed “the way”.
      For two thousand years we have heard criticism similar to yours. Far greater men than you have tried to tear down Christianity.
      They’re gone; Christianity remains.

      • Thomas Braun

        Your inaccurate portrayal (…lived two lives) puts ignorance to your inaccuracy. The VAST majority of Christians are so by BIRTH and NAME only (NO CONVERSION). In addition, and the most self-damning, is that hope, belief, faith and feelings are TOOLS to obtain knowledge, NOT substitutes for it, thus your experience, knowledge and perspective is skewed.

        I think you should have the total freedom to live your belief in “the way”, unless you break natural law in so doing.

        Kim Davis should resign. It’s a more favorable course than martyrdom for a failing belief system that will ultimately prove false.

      • IsReal

        You can’t create and improvise reality as you go, nothing he said makes any sense except someone who has chosen his own way in life aside from the Word of God making many excuses and rationalizations that won’t save him from eternal hell.

        • G21

          I meant “sense” as the world would see it.
          Show a little grace, would you? Anger and rebuke win few to the Lord.

      • Preacher62

        Bullseye!

      • iris

        Amen, because He will always remain, even if Christians are killed. And He will return to rule this earth He created, in justice and truth.

    • Guest

      Christians are saved by grace; Not by works or “Self inflicted misery.”

    • DANA

      True insanity in this world is the refusal to see a creator in this perfectly designed universe, and to think that mankind will ever be able to stop destroying himself without the grace and mercy of this creator.

      • Thomas Braun

        True insanity is to see this universe as perfectly designed AND … by a perfect creator. The very word, perfect, has been corrupted to fit Christian definition and its God wherein its God can do anything it wants, and by golly gee wiz, it’s PERFECT, and it IS, perfect insanity. And when folks can’t, or won’t, logic it out, their refuge is to quote scriptures, and then, BAZINGA! they feel so much better.

        Well that was fun. Love, light and peace, and blessings to all. the end.

    • IsReal

      There are so many misinformed attempts at logical presumption in your post yet I don’t see you bashing Satanists who are setting up statues in state capitol buildings. The reason for your rant is your ignorance has caused you to despise and resent Christians, likely Jews as well. These two groups are the only ones under the God of Abraham. All other religions are rooted in the ancient mystery religion of Babylon since the fall of man, including Roman Catholics. You haven’t done your research just wanting to rail against Christians who have tried to save your soul over your lifetime that required you to stop sinning and ask for God’s forgiveness.

      Real Christians humble themselves before God and serve Him through His Word and Holy Spirit, if they are full of pride and arrogance they aren’t saved Christians. False Christians abide everywhere to get people like you to hate the real deal and make you turn elsewhere for spiritual information. Olsteen’s one example but there are many others who people think are Christian who are actually Freemasons such as Pastor David Jeremiah.

      If you want to listen to a real Christian pastor and the spirit of a Christ’s follower, listen to Pastor Charles Stanley at InTouch ministries. Then come back and tell me Christians are arrogant, prideful and the rest. You’ve been deceived by false Christians who want you to hate God and his people, this I assure you.

      • Gay Veteran

        “…I don’t see you bashing Satanists who are setting up statues in state capitol buildings….”

        you wouldn’t have that problem if religious statues weren’t allowed on public property.

        • M.

          You wouldn’t have that problem if only the True Religion were allowed and all others suppressed.

          • Gay Veteran

            indeed, and your brothers in spirit think the same way in Saudi Arabia

      • Gay Veteran

        “…If you want to listen to a real Christian pastor and the spirit of a Christ’s follower, listen to Pastor Charles Stanley at InTouch ministries. Then come back and tell me Christians are arrogant, prideful and the rest…..”

        HYPOCRITE, you then wrote the following:
        “…where all others come from, Mormonism, Jehova Witness, Roman Catholics, Freemasons and all the rest of the false doctrines including Satanism”

      • M.

        Change Roman Catholics to protestants and you’re spot on. Your illogicality is astonishing. Jews, you would have it, are the same as Christians, they’re both God’s people according to you, yes? How can that be when one hates Christ with a visceral burning hatred, in fact their entire religion is based on this hatred, whilst the other loves, or in the case of you prots purports to love Christ? You might be good at a lot of things, but thinking isn’t one of them. You had better try again. Think about it for a couple of months, that ought to be the equivalent of a quarter hour of thought for a normal person whose brain hasn’t been thoroughly washed.

        • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

          Mark? Hello. That has to be you. Now would you like to explain how it is that Judaism is based on a visceral burning hatred of Christ? Because I’ve gone to shul at least twice a month for the past 15 years and I swear we never even mention him.

          • M.

            No, I’m not Mark dearie. May I ask what books you study? Does one of them happen to start with a t?(I can’t write it out as it’s almost invariably flagged for moderation when I do, I wonder why ha ha.) If you don’t study it, well and good. In that case you ought to read The T. Unmasked by Fr. Pranaitis. In Sanhedrin 43a Christ is accused of sorcery and black magic, in Kallah51a He is called something I will not write, there are blasphemies against His Most Holy Mother that I will not write as well.
            His servants are also hated. Sanhedrin57a states that when a Jew murders a Gentile there will be no death penalty and that what a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep. Yebamoth98a says that Goyisch children are animals, Baba Kamma 37b says that Goys are outside the protection of the law and that God has supposedly “exposed their money to Israel.” If this filthy book is not inspired by satan himself I don’t know what is.

          • Gay Veteran

            figures you’re a Jew hater too

          • M.

            I don’t hate them. I recognize them as enemies and oppose their hostile actions. All the same I’d prefer the company of a rabidly orthodox Jew to that of a stomach-turning pervert like you any day.

          • iris

            uh, I think you harbor quite a bit of hate, personally.

          • Gay Veteran

            stop your lies, you hate anyone who isn’t an idol worshiping catholic

          • M.

            Jodie dear, have you nothing to say about the t—–d? I’m disappointed. Enlighten us please old girl! I’m sure the goyim will be interested to know more.

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Such is the nature of insomnia that I am actually taking the time to answer someone who just called me “old girl”- as if I were an aging Irish Setter. Dammit.I could offer several wonderful quotations from the Talmud, but I don’t feel like it. But I found a Yiddish saying for you:”Klieg, klieg, klieg-Du bist a Nar (You are smart, smart, smart; but you are not so smart). Anyone could pick out examples of Catholic doctrine, writings, papal declarations, and church history ( without bothering to consult a priest or Catholic historian who could shed some light on the subject) and make a case that Catholicism is satanic. As a matter of fact, I found a number of websites that do just that. The whore of Babylon, who committed fornication with he kings of the earth, in whom was found the blood of the saints! But doing such lopsided research and presenting a one-sided view would be dishonest, don’t you think?

          • Gay Veteran

            why do you waste your time arguing with a bigot?

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            I don’t know.

          • M.

            A. I like dogs, I wouldn’t compare someone to a dog as an insult. B, it’s a British expression and is not generally insulting. C. You can’t deny that Jews oppose Christ in every way they can. You ought to read The Nameless War by Captain Archibald Maule Ramsay, he was a WWI veteran of the British Army and Member of Parliament who tried to keep Britain out of the Second World War realizing who was fomenting it and what their objectives were. You could also read The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit in History by E. Michael Jones.
            Last but certainly not least you could study the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and see how closely they fit what has been going on during the last one hundred years and is still going on today. Many honest and courageous Jews agree. Henry Makow, Israel Shamir and others.

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            I agree that dogs are very fine creatures. I’m not sure what Britain could have done to stay out of war with Germany: didn’t they try to appease Hitler in the beginning?; But he invaded Poland and that was the last straw. I might look into the books you mentioned, but I certainly can deny that Jews oppose Christ without doing any further research. Why would they bother? Jesus isn’t acknowledged as any kind of special person in Judaism. As I said before, we never even mention him. Sorry I took your comment the wrong way. I was a little cranky after an almost sleepless night.

    • And yet, sir, there were no Scriptural citations included in your post, at all, to back up any of your assertions.

      • Gay Veteran

        read the first sentence?

        “1,000 religions and Christianity is the only true one, and you were blessed not to be born into and programmed and indoctrinated into 1 of the 999 that are wrong….”

  • Jim Davis

    It’s time to dump the Abrahamic religions. They are all religions of the Jews. Europeans should go back to our own ways.

    • M.

      The only time the Jews were kept in check is when Europe was Catholic. Read Against the Jews by St. John Chrysostom. St. Pope Pius V made possession of their so-called “holy book” a capital offence in the Papal States. The solution is not a return to Paganism but a return to the True Church.

      • Gay Veteran

        god you “christains” love to fight among yourselves

        • M.

          Your reading comprehension could use a bit of improvement. The man above advocates rejecting Abrahamic religions, look up what that means. He’s saying that Europeans should go back to paganism and worship Odin, Thor, Jupiter and such again.

          • Gay Veteran

            Odin, Thor, Jupiter? oh, like the idols catholics worship

  • Elaine F Clevenger

    God can do more with man than we could ever do. Pray Christians!

  • Mike Mechanic

    Jesus is my Lord and Savior I Worship him only, and I will endure to the
    end for his name. He is the Truth the Way and the Life, and I will store
    my Treasures in Heaven with God the Father who is Creator of Everything.

    • Emery Richards

      Matthew 4:8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’

      Jesus himself said we should pray ONLY to his father, God the Almighty. You are sinning by worshiping and praying to Jesus, according to Jesus.

  • John Parker

    All I know is that I am on the right side as I am witnessing prophecy being fulfilled right before my eyes.
    Luke 21:28
    Philippians 1:29

    • Mighty IDF

      I’ll never understand how anyone could watch ancient prophecies be fulfilled to the letter, and not believe.

      • iris

        Sadly, despite more academic scrutiny given it compared to any other written work in the world, fulfilled prophecy, archeology, historical proofs and eyewitnesses bear testimony to each of those 66 books called the Protestant Bible, yet many will not believe.

        • M.

          There are 73 books in the real Bible.

      • tieman

        Boggles the mind.

  • Mighty IDF

    Every slap to the face of God’s children by the world, every persecution, every evil word, every evil scheme, every mocking, every loss, brings an Eternal Reward to the believer.
    You are the Body of Christ in this world. How can you not be persecuted? You have not yet resisted to death.
    Respond with patience and love, remembering that He suffered first.

    • Mighty IDF

      For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

      – Ephesians 6:12 KJV

      • That’s exactly whom we’re contending with: The influencing source behind all of this is Satan and his demonic forces.

        If one were to gather together every Scriptural citation of demon spirits (which I’ve linked to here in another post), one would see that the vast majority of them are found in the New Testament — and directly involve Jesus Christ.

        He was serious about confronting them and casting them out. We should strive for the same.

      • guest

        For your conflict is NOT ONLY WITH flesh and blood, but also with the angels ( fallen ), and with powers, with the rulers of this world of darkness, and with the evil spirits under the heavens ( 1st and 2nd ).
        Translation from the Aramaic of the Peshitta.

    • M.

      How can you say that you are Christ’s when you assiduously lick the feet of those whose entire religion is based on hating Him? You ought to read their “holy book” (no, it’s not the Old Testament, it starts with a t.) and find out what the chosen really think about stupid goyim like you.

  • America Jones

    American Christians are resilient and tough. We survived World Wars and more . We are being tested . But the pendulum will swing back in this next national election IF WE ALL GET OUT THERE AND VOTE. ALSO keep up the CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE EN MASSES (meanwhile).
    Soon we can vote out the evil doers and vote out some of the evil judges and put good God fearing men and women in their place.
    If the government ever starts rounding up Christians in this country like Germany did with the Jews we will fight back and destroy the evildoers and take back what is ours . and the evildoers will perish because God is not on their side and because they don’t know what they are getting into ………… they will be sorry…….
    The leftist fascists will be sorry that they tried to persecute us . We will COMPLETELY CRUSH them in the next election from the backlash they have created.
    Lets be bold. God has our back!

    • What Christians need to be immediately doing now is hitting their knees in repentance and praying to God.

      Nothing else is going to stop or soften what’s coming.

      • America Jones

        No. That will take you straight to the gas chamber …..
        Sometimes you have to FIGHT.
        Adam confronted Goliath directly and killed him.

      • America Jones

        David confronted Goliath . sorry am watching baseball am distracted

        • And this fight, America Jones, is spiritual in nature (Ephesians 6:12).

          • America Jones

            Yes you pray and you fight . you do both . You don’t think the Jews prayed when they were in the camps ???????????????????????????????????

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          Which game? Who won? I don’t have time to watch anymore.

          • America Jones

            Oakland A’s . Lost to Houston.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Thanks.

  • America Jones

    It is time to try and pass Amendment to the US Constitution against gay marriage and use it as wedge issue in the next national election.

  • Robert

    Part of the Christian “problem” is the picking and choosing the sins we hate and object to. We “accept” divorce for example though scripture says God hates divorce. Others “accept” abortion. Christians are not called to clean up the world nor the neighborhood but to proclaim the gospel. The clerk should have quit her 80k a year job. How many of her fellow Christians are going to sustain her in her resistance? Don’t hold your breath. There are any number of liberal Christians and denominations that support a homosexual agenda which isolates conservatives. One preacher in NC told his people that all homosexuals should be corralled and eliminated. I doubt he made the same statement about divorced folks or adulterers. I am very glad that the true church is not run by inconsistent conservative “Christians”. We would be in a bigger mess than we are now.

    • G21

      Your mistake is expecting sinless perfection from Christians. Of course humans are imperfect, liberal as well as conservative Christians.
      You’d do better to look to the Holy Spirit and the Word for perfection. God wants you to look to Him as your only source. He can take away your bitterness and hate.

      • Robert

        You have an exceptional ability to distort what anyone posts here.

        With that said, of course no one is perfect and that was not mentioned in my comment. I will say this, Christians would be far better off to be concerned with the log in their own eyes rather than the mote in someone else’s eye. Ms. Kim has opened herself up to close scrutiny and someone(s) will dig into her life as a Christian. I hope she is “perfect” in that sense.

        And btw, I know a Christian lawyer. Fine man. But he works divorce cases and defends drunk drivers etc. should he not do that? He is assisting in sin after all.

        Had Ms. Kim issued the licenses, she would have done what her job called for. She decided to cheat taxpayers. How is she culpable by doing what taxpayers pay her to do? The righteous thing to have done would have been to resign.

        • G21

          Yes, Jesus was the one who first said that about the log in the eye. You’re not saying anything new.

          As for your Christian lawyer friend, it seems like once again you’re picking at the faults of imperfect people. Not even the apostles, who walked with Jesus, could live perfect lives. Only Jesus is perfect. No one else – you, me, them.

          As for Kim Davis, she alone must follow her conscience. She didn’t seek your advice and I doubt if she wants it.
          For you to decide what would be “the righteous thing”, first remove the log from your own eye.

          I remind you of another thing Jesus said: Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

        • M.

          Your friend willingly does the work of satan and will have to answer for that no matter that he calls himself a “Christian”.

          • Gay Veteran

            just like the catholics that call themselves “Christian”

    • IsReal

      If the Christians you mention accept divorce, they’re not obedient to God and are questionable in their faith and commitment to Him.

    • While I can see where you’re coming from on that, you also have to acknowledge that the homosexual movement is also vigorously attempting to legitimize itself within the Church as something which is not condemned in the Bible.

      No other sin, that I’m aware of, is attempting to do the same on a similar scale.

      “Thief pride”, “Blasphemy Pride”, “Idolatry Pride”, “Murder Pride” — I haven’t seen social movements, flags, and the call for special rights from these sins.

      • Gay Veteran

        well obviously the Bible is never wrong!
        I mean it’s not like people actually used the Bible to justify slavery

        • M.

          You ought to be someone’s slave, that way you could be kept under control.

          • Gay Veteran

            spoken like a true boot licking authoritarian

  • DJohn1

    Our court system is a crazy system. It shows all the classic signs of a split personality.
    When is contempt of court justified?
    Perhaps when the judge of said court does things that are obnoxious to the rest of us?
    Our courts have become tyrants when they can lock someone up and throw away the key with no real justification under the law. That has been happening for a very long time.
    How do we get rid of such judges? Can they be recalled?
    Or are they so entrenched in the legal system that they are impossible to weed out? I think this judge needs to be fired one way or another.
    Maybe, just maybe, the people of Kentucky might be able to get a recall petition going that will fire the person.
    Also on the books of the same court system are laws making homosexual behavior illegal. Have those laws been done away with as well? Or are they still on the books.
    I think the lady involved has been married four times.
    If the media is correct she might be going back to be married to husband number two. That is considered under biblical law to be an abomination. But those biblical laws do not apply to Federal, State, City and County government laws.
    I think she is justified if all the laws pertaining to sodomy are thrown off the legal books period. If any one person has been prosecuted in the last few years for such an act then they have been wrongfully accused under a law that no longer exists.
    That makes government liable for prosecution and civil law suits.
    Court systems are in the business of keeping lawyers employed.
    Try getting workman’s compensation without a lawyer if you do not believe this.
    That same lawyer takes one third of the first check which happens to be all the backpay one would get under workman’s comp.
    That amounts to a good deal of money.
    Our court system is corrupted by money.
    It isn’t all the lawyer’s fault. It was deliberately set up that way so the wealthy could pay a lawyer to get their way in a court of law.
    Getting away with murder? Perhaps.
    It is now so terrible that the Supreme Court of our land is possibly bought off.

  • DANA

    Look what secularism has done and continues to do to Europe. Europe is truly a Dead Man Walking! When you embrace nihilism, you won’t last more than a few generations. Oh well, they had their fun, and now they are being defeated from within and out.

  • John Pvt. Doe

    In 2004 the people of Kentucky passed a referendum to add a constitutional amendment disallowing gay marriage licensing and also to not give legal recognition to gay marriage. I sent a letter to judge David Bunning reminding him of this and asked him to do his job and let the clerk out of jail and dismiss all charges. I then reminded him that the Supreme Court does not possess the power to legislate from the bench. That power is reserved to Congress and since Congress has NOT legislated a gay marriage statute, THE KENTUCKY CONSTITUTION TRUMPS THEIR VERDICT.

    I also reminded him that as an agent of a foreign principal (anyone who possesses a British Accreditation Registry or BAR card), that under the Foreign Agent Registration Act of 1938 he must register as a foreign agent with the DOJ and I asked if he had done so.

    I would think he might think it wise to actually follow the Kentucky Constitution. We shall see.

    • Gay Veteran

      an UNconstituional act is not lawful no matter how large the majority.

      and I guess you didn’t know that the Kentucky Surpreme Court overturned sodomy laws based on the Kentucky Constitution:

      Kentucky Justices Strike Down Anti-Sodomy Law
      Published: September 25, 1992

      FRANKFORT, Ky., Sept. 24— The Kentucky Supreme Court struck down the state’s anti-sodomy law today, ruling that privacy rights should apply to homosexuals.

      In a 4-to-3 ruling, the court said the law violated the state’s constitutional right to privacy and the right to equal treatment under the law.

      “We need not sympathize, agree with or even understand the sexual preference of homosexuals in order to recognize their right to equal treatment before the bar of criminal justice,” the court said in an opinion written by Justice Charles Leibson.

      Just because a majority of citizens “finds one type of extramarital intercourse more offensive than another, does not provide a rational basis for criminalizing the sexual preference of homosexuals,”….”

      • EgbertThrockmorton1

        This never has been about HER “beliefs”, it’s ALL about the money she can make from this stunt and her grandstanding. Nothing more. That’s how I see her actions.Period.
        if she refuses to honor her oath of office, she’s NOT being true to her Christian beliefs or faith-regardless of what that may be. She needs to step down immediately as her “word” (public oath) now means NOTHING to the people who elected her. Just my take on this stupidity.

        • Gay Veteran

          I mostly agree

          • 21Grams

            I don’t think I’ve ever read you agree with anyone about anything. It’s kind of refreshing.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh I do sometimes agree with a few people, but not the bible thumpers, neo-cons, people who think the economy is great or people who think that other people who are struggling are in that position due to laziness or moral failings

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        The courts acted unconstitutionally. Even Justice Roberts admitted they had no constitutional authority or grounds to do it, but did it anyway.

        • Gay Veteran

          Roberts (upholder of Obamacare) is ONE voice on the Supreme Court.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            5 voted yes. Roberts wrote the majority opinion. These 5 need impeachment and hearings – possible jail time.

          • Gay Veteran

            yes, any judge who disagrees with you needs jail time

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Nonsense. Impeachment’s in the Constitution and they violated their position. That’s an impeachable offense. Look it up.

          • Gay Veteran

            nonsense? you said “…possible jail time.” read your own posts

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Yes, that’s justice for us. Jail time is not violence. Not like your precious Planned Parenthood that murder and strip innocent and defenseless babies for spare parts – that’s violence.

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re the one bringing up violence.

            and there you go again, falsely trying to link me to PP.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You support it! How many times did you try shaming people with “How many unwanted babies have you adopted?”

          • Gay Veteran

            so in your pathologically lying mind asking “How many unwanted babies have you adopted?” equals support for PP?!?!?
            dude, seriously, get back on your meds

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Dude, seriously – you gave anyone who condemned Planned Parenthood’s actions the hardest time for the outright murders for profit. You are for mass murder; it’s a matter of record. Own it, or you are again lying!

          • Gay Veteran

            oic, now you’re changing your story from selling fetus parts to merely supporting a woman’s right to choose.
            nothing but a pathological liar, a supporter of mass murder by supporting our wars of aggression

    • CRAT

      I believe there is a federal statue mandating that a marriage in one state has to be recognized in all other states, thus this becomes a federal issue. It would be simpler if states issued civil contracts, and churches did marriages; however, mainline churches are now allowing gay marriages, so the problem still exists. So, if even one state or a mainline church (to differentiate from some outlandish sect) performs a gay marriage, all states have to recognize it.

      Not arguing with you, but pointing out the problem.

    • EgbertThrockmorton1

      AS other posters have already posted, the US Constitution and rulings on THAT document, trump all state constitutions. Also, Kim Davis, and her son,. Chris Davis-yeah that one, Mom got him his job, BOTH took an oath office swearing to uphold BOTH the US Constitution and thier state’s constitution. However, BOTH Mom and Son have already married hetero-couples in the immediate past, so their “stand” is not in keeping with their “religious principles” at all. Also, Kim Davis, the mother IS an elected official of her county, and under Kentucky state law, must now be “impeached” by the Kentucky state legislature for her being in contempt of Federal Court. While I applaud her alleged “stand” on her alleged religious principles, she could easily stand down from her duly elected office and as a religious person, albeit a professed Christian SHOULD step down since her oath of office based solely upon her public behavior is null and void at this point. She won’t, she’s in this for whatever money she can make from this “grandstanding”. If we add up her prior and current marriage count, she personally is on Number FOUR at present. Good for her, glad she is “turning her life around”-I believe that’s the usual excuse/phrase most people use now.I’m just not convinced she IS sincere in her religious beliefs at all on this issue. Her past public behavior and statements seem to belie those “facts” as we actually know them. Also, she believes in nepotism since she hired her own son in her public office. That alone makes me strongly of the opinion she’s a fake. This IS about the money she can make in this “stand” for her “religious rights”. She’s a Public Officer, her personal Rights are SECONDARY to her Oath of Office, otherwise those oaths are utterly meaningless, and just like the current President’s actions and behaviors. She can’t have it BOTH ways.

      • Sam Johnson

        We need to see proof of your claims, I can find no record of what you said is true…….
        is it??????

        • Cindy

          Yes, how does she give her son an elected position????? hmmmmm
          Please explain your statements with proof.

          • EgbertThrockmorton1

            She was the elected official, SHE (after her election) hired her own son to work under her direct supervision in HER office. Got to Rowan County, Kentucky website, and their local newspaper, it’s all public record.For the undereducated, I have butted heads on these forums seriously, with “Gay Veteran” many many times, and I do not need to “substantiate” my claims, what I posted IS all “open source” open records, which means even lazy people can look it up themselves. It is that easy.Kim Davis IS a typical Democrat, nepotism and violating her oath of office. Why are we surprised?

          • Gay Veteran

            you have proof that the deputy clerks are elected?

      • Gay Veteran

        good points, which will NOT be appreciated here

    • iris

      Wow, didn’t know that, good for you, hope that fact of KY law goes viral!!!

      • iris

        This means that our states’ laws hold no weight at this point. This has gone way too far.

        • Gay Veteran

          pssssttttttt, the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            And you said previously it’s a highly flawed outdated document because it enshrines slavery and bigotry.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, it was flawed until the Civil War amendments

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            That was part of my argument last time we debated this. You wouldn’t accept that as reasonable. Try again.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh, so the Civil War amendments helped remove slavery and bigotry in the Constitution then

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            And there’s your original argument.

        • EgbertThrockmorton1

          Not at all, it means that the US Constitution, IS superior to ANY state constitution. It’s ALWAYS been that way people, read your history!!!

          • iris

            Yes, I know that, should have stated what I meant better. I think we are no longer a federated republic, but that the federal branch of government has become so powerful and centralized, that the states have little to no power over anything other than the choices of color for recycle bins they pay contractors (probably union contractors) to provide for their cities. I don’t claim to know it all, like you 2 seem to.

  • Just Sayin´

    “We better start paying attention. What is happening right in front of our eyes is eerily reminiscent of what happened in Nazi Germany…”

    Godwin doesn´t improve the case.

  • Sparky McBiff

    Ah yes because the history of the officially sanctioned actions of Christian persecution against others is so wonderfully filled with imaginary fluffy bunnies and gumdrops that their actual murderous intolerance and genocide against millions over countless generations can now be simply ignored.
    Apparently they can dish it out in spades over centuries and wipe out whole civilizations but they will howl like speared banshees if they get even the slightest taste of their own tyranny.

    Ain’t karma a bitch.

    • rmc9

      karma…she’s related to you ain’t she??

    • IsReal

      You’re greatly misinformed and the Jesuits and Catholic Church aren’t under the God of Abraham but of the mystery religions of ancient Babylon. You have no idea what you’re writing. Atheists are responsible for much of what you claim. If you think you can use this falsehood to justifiably murder Christians you’re gravely mistaken.

      • Gay Veteran

        ROFLOL, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because only people like you are “real” Christians

        • IsReal

          You’re clearly mocking God at this point. You don’t want to know the truth so all you do is mock. When you find yourself in eternal hell in the afterlife, you can’t say to God at His throne Christians didn’t forewarn you of what you faced on earth without Jesus as your Savior, just you remember that scoffer! I’m done with you.

          • Gay Veteran

            no, I’m mocking YOU for your arrogance in thinking that only your type are the “true” Christians.

            now don’t you have a street corner to pray loudly at?

      • M.

        The Catholic Church is the only true Church, why don’t you go and lick some Jewish feet, I’m sure that would be most pleasing to you.

        • guest

          The catholick ‘church’ worships lucifer.
          It licks the feet of satan.

          • M.

            You’ll find out soon enough maggot.

    • M.

      What nonsense is this you infidel cockroach? The only civilization worthy of the name is Catholic civilization. I hope you aren’t referring to the idolatrous Indians of America who ripped their captives hearts out in sacrifice to their worthless idols, or the cannibals of Africa who loved their “long pig” so, or the pagans in Europe who killed children and old people they didn’t wish to bother with. You infidels will not escape God’s justice, you will get what’s coming to you scum, one way or another.

      • Gay Veteran

        how about the millions of people in the New World enslaved by catholics?

  • IsReal

    This is God’s way of separating the wheat from the chaff in the harvest. God’s judgment begins in the house of God first. Jesus’ followers would be blessed to die leaving this world in great faith standing in opposition to Satan and especially in refusing to accept the mark of the Beast in RFID chip form or whatever else they choose to use. There’s no future on earth as it is today, don’t be afraid to die, give your life to Jesus and obey the Holy Spirit and His Word.

  • Dojow

    I think you will find that Jewish groups are behind this persecution. I hope Christians are aware that Jews and Christians have totally incompatible belief systems. The Jews uphold the cursed ideology of the Pharisees that killed Jesus. You must always be vigilant of who is working in the background to remove Christianity from America.

    • G21

      The New Testament makes it plain that the Jews are still God’s chosen.
      Nor are the Jews trying to remove Christianity from America.

      • Dojow

        It is evident you are one of the deluded fundamentalists that are funding Israel with billions of dollars every year. Is there a crucifix outside the Whitehouse in Washington DC? Why is a menorah outside the Whitehouse? You are basing the salvation of a people on their DNA. Where is that in the New Testament?
        Are Jews saved because they are Jews? No need for repentance then for following a cursed ideology. They are not the chosen people, that now belongs to Christians. Wake up out of your slumber before it is too late.

        • Mighty IDF

          And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

          For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

          – Romans 11:26, 27

          • M.

            When they rejected Christ they became the devil’s own. That can be seen all throughout history. They fomented most of the Roman persecutions against the Church (the True Church, not your man-made sect), they originated Capitalism and Communism.
            They taught the goyim the corrosive principles of Liberalism which have finally destroyed Christendom leaving only a carcass swarming with maggots (though to be fair the goyim are also responsible for this, as they gleefully took the razor offered and cut their own throats with contraception and abortion and depravity of all kinds.) Their “holy book” is filled with unspeakable blasphemies against Christ and His Most Holy Mother, and yet you dare to say that none of this matters, they’re just as good as those who actually obey Christ and love Him.
            I can’t tell if you’re really that ignorant, insane or full of malice. For charity’s sake I’ll assume the first. If that’s the case you can be cured by reading the right books. Let’s hope you commence so doing forthwith.

          • Gay Veteran

            figured your type would want Big Government to ban contraception

          • M.

            You needn’t worry about the government unfortunately, but you ought to worry about nature. Sodomites die early for a reason. Your activities conduce to disease. If you persist you can look forward to enjoying the ravages of aids, hepatitis, syphilis and who knows what else. Your lot has diseases the doctors don’t even know about yet.

          • guest

            I think that’s because queers are disease incubators.

          • Gay Veteran

            no, but your mommy is

          • M.

            Be careful, they might send round a medical team to catch you in a net and take you away for study in biological weapons laboratory somewhere ha hah hah!

          • Gay Veteran

            be careful, don’t take any candy from your local catholic priest

          • Gay Veteran

            you need to worry about your mental diseases.
            you get tertiary syphilis

          • sodomy soldier

            What about the lesions on your pen is, or the puss oozing out of your mouth ?
            KY ?
            I realize the brain damage is irreparable, but what about the other stuff ?

          • Gay Veteran

            odd you’re talking into a mirror

          • Dojow

            Deluded fundamentalist with a misguided outlook on Israel. Keep believing in your false interpretation.

          • iris

            Thanks!! God is Love, we believers are told to pray and have mercy for unbelievers, Jew and Gentile.

      • M.

        What ridiculous nonsense. Read I Thessalonians 2:14-16. If you still insist on what you’ve written above after reading the passage, then I must conclude that your mind is altogether gone, and all one can do is to leave you to your fate.

    • Alexander Shekhtman

      ever notice how most of the gay supporters, ultra-liberals, look retarted, sickly, weak, etc., while all those against it and other ultra-liberal ideology, are big, strong, and healthy? why is that? maybe because believing in evil things kills your soul, which eventually kills your body. take a look at that woman in the middle from the kim davis article. she looks retorted, ugly and fat. while the guy with the Jesus sign looks like a body builder. just my personal observation. and btw, I am an orthodox Jew so I am with the Christians on this one.

      • Gay Veteran

        did you even read what Dojow wrote???

        “I think you will find that Jewish groups are behind this persecution. I hope Christians are aware that Jews and Christians have totally incompatible belief systems. The Jews uphold the cursed ideology of the Pharisees that killed Jesus. You must always be vigilant of who is working in the background to remove Christianity from America.”

    • outofthefryingpanintothefire

      If you knew anything Do, you’d find that Orthodox Jews are 2nd Amendment loving, Constitution supporting patriots who are against abortion and assisted suicide.
      But it’s so much easier to blame your own failures on Jews isn’t it?

      • Gay Veteran

        oh, so they support Big Government telling us when we can die

  • Gay Veteran

    “…I am talking about the kind of faith that Kim Davis has demonstrated. Christians all over this country are being put into positions where they must choose to either submit to the “new morality” or potentially lose their jobs. For Kim Davis, deciding to take a stand meant that she was thrown into prison….”

    get a better matyr because Kim Davis is stealing money from the taxpayers of Rowan County by accepting a salary yet refusing to do her job

    • CRAT

      Good one- got a chuckle out of that one

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      Fine. Repeal all rights for any government to regulate and tax marriage – let’s return it to the churches again as a religious rite. And if you deviant folks want to have marriages, then register as the Church of Enlightenment, or Church of Darwin, or whatever.

      No more controversy. Church’s can keep their beliefs. Homosexuals can marry in homosexual churches and keep theirs. Government loses revenue. We all win.

      • Gay Veteran

        hey junior, there are lots of REAL Christians (as opposed to Mormons) who are willing to preside over our marriages

        • VigilanteCaregiver

          Homosexual marriages are illegitimate. Supreme Court had no right to proclaim it against the constitution and will of the people. We already voted in the states. The gov threw out our votes through no real authority; you claimed were all bigots and we had no right – we do.

          And interesting how you call for harm against Christians until they do what you want. One of many hallmarks of a psychopath.

          • Gay Veteran

            poor thing, born too late to oppose interracial marriage.
            harm how?

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Poor pathetic troll. Can’t think for himself – has to keep asking me to explain things.

            Government was never supposed to be in the marriage racket. Ever. Opposing interracial marriage is moot to my argument. Governments could never had outlawed it as it would’ve been in the hands of the Lord’s church or some church devised by man.

            You have no argument; deal with it.

          • Gay Veteran

            well junior, it’s a little late to be arguing that the government shouldn’t be in the marriage racket.

            btw, did you get a marriage license?

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Of course I have marriage license. I had no choice. Just like when my vote was illegally thrown out for the sake of your lot’s feelings of inadequacy. It’s not too late – it’s illegal and can be fixed. Just like Roe v Wade.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwwww, well I bet a lot of people felt disenfranchised when the Supreme Court overturned laws banning interracial marriage too

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You just can’t read what other people type – can you?

          • Gay Veteran

            I can. You just don’t like my response

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Of course I don’t like your response. You only go for logical fallacies and personal attacks via Alinsky tactics. Please try for civilized.

          • Gay Veteran

            personal attacks?
            that’s funny, you constantly use Alinsky tactics

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You say that, but let’s review the Rules for Radicals again (what’s this, the third time?):

            RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”
            RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
            RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
            RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
            RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
            RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
            RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
            RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
            RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
            RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”
            RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
            RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

            Let’s see: #1, I have no political power – that’s obvious. I have no people here, so #2 is out (there’s some guys I like, but they’re not on my side). #3 is not my problem; I don’t know your expertise. #4; you have no rules from what I can tell. #5, I keep to evidence and established proofs – that’s not ridicule when I link things like your behaviors to mental issues; that’s an urge to get help. #6 doesn’t apply – I have no people here. #7, I just debate – that’s not a tactic. #8, that’s a universal rule; it’s expected. #9, I don’t make threats – I go through with action regardless. #10, I guess it’s subjective as to what a positive and negative are with you guys, so who knows. #11, I’m seeking functional and civilized; not a politically-based alternative. #12, I don’t see you as a “target”; I see you as a comparative means: my views and research in contrast to your ideals. No need to personalize or polarize as I have no people here to do that for.

            You do a lot of these behaviors. No need to go into minutia – just read your posts.

          • Gay Veteran

            pssssst, hypocrite, “I link things like your behaviors to mental issues; that’s an urge to get help” is violation of Rule 5.

            Let’s see: #1, I have no political power – that’s obvious. I have no people here, so #2 is out. #3 is not my problem; I don’t know your expertise. #4; you have no rules from what I can tell. #5, I keep to evidence and established proofs. #6 doesn’t apply – I have no people here. #7, I just debate – that’s not a tactic. #8, that’s a universal rule; it’s expected. #9, I don’t make threats – I go through with action regardless. #10, I guess it’s subjective as to what a positive and negative are with you guys, so who knows. #11, I’m seeking functional and civilized; not a politically-based alternative. #12, I don’t see you as a “target”; I see you as a comparative means: my views and research in contrast to your ideals. No need to personalize or polarize as I have no people here to do that for.

            You do a lot of these behaviors. No need to go into minutia – just read your posts.

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            I have read my posts. That’s why I use evidence and established proofs. It leads me to believe you have mental issues. You do all these regularly. Deal with it.

          • Gay Veteran

            you mean “proofs” from sources that support your position.

            “…It leads me to believe you have mental issues….”

            there you go YET AGAIN with those Alinsky tactics

  • Gay Veteran

    “…The pace of which our nation is circling the toilet is absolutely breathtaking. Just eleven years ago, a state constitutional amendment that banned gay marriage in Kentucky received support from 75 percent of the voters….”

    I’m sure in the 1950s that a constitutional amendment that banned interracial marriage in Kentucky would have received support from 75 percent of the voters.

    Would your opinion on this woman be the same if she refused to grant a CIVIL marriage license to an interracial couple? a mixed religious couple? a couple where one of the two people trying to get married was divorced from a third party?

    “…What in the world has happened to America? We live in a country where Christians are being imprisoned for what they believe….”

    you’re an embarrassment to the legal profession, she is in prison because she refused to obey a judge’s order.

  • Alexander Shekhtman

    Ever notice how most of the gay supporters, ultra-liberals, look retarted, sickly, weak, etc., while all those against it and other ultra-liberal ideology, are big, strong, and healthy? why is that? maybe because believing in evil things kills your soul, which eventually kills your body. take a look at that woman in the middle from the kim davis article. she looks retorted, ugly and fat. while the guy with the Jesus sign looks like a body builder. just my personal observation. and btw, I am an orthodox Jew so I am with the Christians on this one.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…take a look at that woman in the middle from the kim davis article. she looks retorted, ugly and fat….”

      hey Einstein, take a look at Kim Davis: ugly and fat

      • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

        Oh come on.She just looks like a normal person.Most human beings are ugly. She doesn’t stand out.

    • iris

      Yes, body, mind and soul are connected. And sexual sin results in a body’s destruction. A human body really is a sacred creation. Shalom.

      • Gay Veteran

        wow, then Kim Davis did some serious sin

  • Gay Veteran

    “…We better start paying attention. What is happening right in front of our eyes is eerily reminiscent of what happened in Nazi Germany….”

    Godwin’s Law (or Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.

  • Gay Veteran

    “…Mathew Staver, Davis’s chief legal counsel, compared her persecution to that of Jews faced in Nazi Germany….”
    sickeningly pathetic, especially considering the Gays who were murdered in the concentration camps.
    for Staver’s comment to make any sense would require a Jewish public official to deny CIVIL marriage licenses for religious reasons

  • Gay Veteran

    “…In the future, Bible-believing Christians are going to be completely disqualified from being county clerks or holding any other government position that deals with marriage….”

    your argument is invalid because we are dealing with CIVIL marriage licenses, not RELIGOUS marriage licenses.

    and let’s look at it differently, say 1967: In the future, Bible-believing Christians are going to be completely disqualified from being county clerks or holding any other government position that deals with INTERRACIAL marriage.

  • Gay Veteran

    “…In a meeting with the heads of the five service branches in 2010, President Obama offered the leaders a choice: Support my efforts to end the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, or resign….”

    hmmmm, let’s look back at history: In a meeting with the heads of the five service branches in June 1948, President Truman offered the leaders a choice: Support my efforts to end the military’s segregation policy, or resign

  • Gay Veteran

    “…I do not believe that anyone, public official or private citizen, has ever been jailed simply because of his or her firmly held faith-belief that marriage is between a man and a woman and not between two men or two women….”

    how many county clerks post-1966 were jailed because of their faith-belief that marriage is between a man and a woman of the SAME RACE?

  • Guest

    Less than two percent of the US population is queer. How is souch a tiny minority able to get new laws passed? At the same time ignore the majority on issues like immigration.

    • Haans

      Must be our GAY President’s wish, bet Michelle “Michael” will admit the truth soon too. Silly f a g g o t s they are!

    • Gay Veteran

      I think you left out something: Less than 14 percent of the US population is nig ger. How is such a tiny minority able to get new laws passed?

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        Well, 1.6% of the US population got homosexual marriage illegally approved via the courts.

        • Gay Veteran

          and 100% of the US population got the right to interracial marriage.
          still fuming about that?

    • IsReal

      Latest government study it is really 3.7% gay and .7 percent transgender. That is why you know the gays have risen in the media and government who are overblowing this thing as if they’re some huge number of the population worthy of distracting America from real threats.

      • Gay Veteran

        really, those minorities need to just stay in their place and not bother us good white folk

        • M.

          Being a sodomite is a choice, being a negro is not. Unnatural vice is an abomination in the Holy Sight of God, being a negro is not. It is as simple as that. You may as well claim that thieves or murderers ought to have special rights and protections due to their constituting a minority of the population. They are a minority, but a self-made minority that poses a threat to the society at large. It’s the same with those who practise unnatural vice.

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re a moron, if it was a “choice” then YOU could choose to become Gay.

            unnatural vice? bet you got all excited typing that.
            and leave it to a fundamentalist whackjob to compare gays to thieves and murderers

  • Gay Veteran

    “…And just like in Nazi Germany, eventually the persecution becomes more overt and more violent. On Saturday, a non-denominational church in New York was firebombed….”

    Nazi Germany you say?

    Remembering LGBT History: The New Orleans UpStairs Fire, the Largest Gay Massacre in U.S. History

    “…The firebombing of black churches, of course, occupies a horrific place in southern and African American history. This method of violence and intimidation was also visited upon the Metropolitan Community Church (MCC), the national gay church founded by Rev. Troy Perry. Even the MCC’s national headquarters in Los Angeles was burned to the ground in 1973, in addition to another MCC church. The small congregation of New Orleans’ MCC would meet a similar–but certainly more tragic–fate the same year.

    …The MCC was an important institution in New Orleans gay history in that it filled a certain organizational void and brought many different gays and lesbians together under one roof.

    That roof was a small theater room in the UpStairs bar (so named because it was, well, upstairs–which is relevant in this story). More often, the room was used for drag performances, but it also saw its share of sermons. As for what they thought of worshiping in a bar? Rev. Perry summed it up:

    We didn’t care. If Jesus could turn water into wine, hell, we could worship in a bar.

    After church on Sunday, some congregation members would return to the bar in the afternoon to drink and dance. Sunday, June 24, was no exception.

    …In all, 32 people died as a result of the fire. Among the dead were George Mitchell and Louis Broussard, who were lovers. Mitchell escaped into the street, only to see that Broussard did not make it. He ran back into the building. After the fire had been put out, they were found, lying together. Luther Boggs died in the hospital weeks later, after being informed in his hospital bed that he had been fired from his job as a teacher.

    The death toll made it one of the worst tragedies in New Orleans history and certainly the largest mass murder of gay people in American history….

    THE ARSONIST, UNSURPRISINGLY, WAS NEVER ARRESTED….”

    • iris

      Yes, that violence against them for their lifestyles was evil, pure and simple. Thanks for sharing part of the article.

      • Gay Veteran

        an example of REAL persecution here in AmeriKa

      • Gay Veteran

        and no, the violence was NOT because of their “lifestyles”, it was because of who they were

  • Isaac Oluwajomiloju-Oluwaseun

    True Christians should take their stand…….hell is not worth going for any useless decision of mortals….

  • Gay Veteran

    maybe you should move to Iran or Saudi Arabia (and Russia is not as intolerant as those 2 countries)

    • DANA

      Don’t forget China, India, Africa, the pacific island nations and just about anywhere else on earth where homosexuality has been rightfully kept away from society. You leave, we were here first and did just fine before marriage was redefined for the first time in human history.

      • Gay Veteran

        marriage has constantly been redefined, first polygamy then monogamy, first women being property then women having equal rights, first no divorce and now divorce at the drop of a hat.
        and leave? F you with a rusty chainsaw, I’m staying to fight for my rights

        • DANA

          I was replying to your comment about moving to Iran or Saudi Arabia if we don’t like homosexual marriage being forced on us, and so I reiterate,
          YOU LEAVE, we were here first and did just fine before marriage was redefined. I also will be staying to fight for everything I hold dear about my country. Oh, and sorry, I don’t own a chainsaw.

          • Gay Veteran

            marriage equality for Gays does not affect you, so stop trying to use your religion to control others.

            fight? you aren’t going to do sh it, just keep on leaving your theocratic posts here

            and don’t worry, I have a chainsaw for you

  • Gay Veteran

    well Jodie, should we allow judges who oppose interracial marriage because of their religious beliefs?

    • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

      How many judges in America in 2015 oppose interracial marriage, and of those how many base their opinion on sincere religious belief? A miniscule number, if it is indeed above zero. But to answer your question, I think that if I were planning to marry a black man (or a woman) , I would prefer a judge who does not think that our union is repulsive.

      • Gay Veteran

        “How many judges in America in 2015 oppose interracial marriage….”

        in 2015? probably none. why? the bigots got over it

        “…nd of those how many base their opinion on sincere religious belief? A miniscule number, if it is indeed above zero….”

        well a LOT of people were certainly using the Bible to justify the ban on interracial marriages

        “…But to answer your question, I think that if I were planning to marry a black man (or a woman) , I would prefer a judge who does not think that our union is repulsive.”

        yeah missy, you and your ni**er partner so to the next county if you want to get married

        • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

          There is a difference. Bible verses were used to support segregation, but the arguments were contrived in order to defend the status quo. The biblical injunctions against homosexuality are, however, explicit and strongly worded. That’s why this fight over gay rights versus religious freedom will continue for many years to come instead of fading into quaint irrelevance. As to my second point, I can’t understand why gay couples would want to force judges to marry them. I wouldn’t want a judge who thinks my relationship is disgusting and immoral to be anywhere near my wedding ceremony. I’d prefer he just tell me how he feels up front, so we could go to another county where the judge actually wants to marry us.

          • Gay Veteran

            “There is a difference. Bible verses were used to support segregation, but the arguments were contrived in order to defend the status quo….”

            that’s your opinion

            “…The biblical injunctions against homosexuality are, however, explicit and strongly worded….”

            again that is your opinion, and many Christians disagree

            “…As to my second point, I can’t understand why gay couples would want to force judges to marry them….”

            maybe because they refuse to be second class citizens. F the judge’s opinion, do your job or find another

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Christians do not disagree that the Bible calls sexual acts between two men an abomination. That’s fact, not opinion. How they deal with those verses is another matter.

          • Gay Veteran

            that’s your opinion

    • sodomy soldier

      Strawman, queerboy, strawman.

      • Gay Veteran

        sorry you don’t understand the concept of strawman.
        now why don’t you ask your troll mommy for some milk and cookies like a good little troll

  • CRAT

    I would assume the same situation would apply to Christian doctors at VA hospitals that don’t want to perform abortions. People with strong religious beliefs would indeed feel marginalized in government or official positions. I don’t know there is an answer that will satisfy anyone-I just go on the principle that on a secular government, officials should not impose their religious beliefs on others.

    I also think because of these intractable problems, that the country will eventually (probably this century) end up splitting into various smaller countries.

    • iris

      Observing what has been happening, it looks to me that just the opposite will occur. But my citizenship is in heaven.

    • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

      I think that some reasonable compromises can and should be reached.Many have compared this to the civil rights movement and the initial resistance to desegregation. But I think that resistance to same-sex marriage will prove to be much more stalwart. And even if it only comes from a minority of Americans, it will be a significant minority who find themselves being marginalized , and don’t like it one bit.

  • Bob K

    According to God’s preacher, “To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven: A time to kill, And a time to heal; A time to break down, And a time to build up; A time to love, And a time to hate; A time of war, And a time of peace (Ecclesiastics 3:1, 3 & 8)”. The trick is for us to discern when the time is right for any action. In Nazi Germany the majority of christians ran rather than stand and fight. The pastors allowed the Nazi’s to put the swastika in their churches in a predominate spot behind the pulpits. Are we going to do the same thing here? Not me. God is for us not against us. “Blessed be the LORD my Rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle (Psalm 144:1)” and “Rescue me and deliver me from the hand of foreigners, Whose mouth speaks lying words, And whose right hand is a right hand of falsehood (Psalm 144:11)”

  • skoomz

    Im blessed to be living in these times for it makes prophecy so much impactfull

  • William Lutz

    Michael I disagree with you on this. Just because you are a Christian doesn’t mean that you have to use religion as a tool to infringe on other people’s rights. Kim Davis should know better! If she doesn’t like handing out gay marriage licenses, she could have split and get another freaking job. She failed to comply with her duty. I know discrimination against Christians is real, but denying the rights of Americans in the name of religion and morality is also plain unacceptable.

    • IsReal

      You are misinformed if you think gay marriage is the law of the land. If you may recall from your high school civics class, the courts don’t create the laws, the legislative branch does within the constraints of the U.S. Constitution. That the Supreme Court merely issued an opinion doesn’t make it the law of the land. The media wants everyone to believe the Supreme Court’s ruling is the law of the land when it is not. Kim was well within her rights to uphold her oath.

      The clerk was upholding her oath that marriage is only between a man and woman. There is no God given “right” to homosexual marriage no matter what politically correct liberals want us all to believe. False persecution for upholding God’s laws in the U.S. Constitution is where Christians are headed, and that is our duty to stand up for God’s precious Word that is true in its entirety.

      • iris

        Yes, thanks!

      • Gay Veteran

        so using your “logic” then the Supreme Court should have upheld laws banning interracial marriage.
        upholding god’s laws? try moving to Saudi Arabia

    • M.

      The so-called “supreme court” of your filthy country has no right to insult the Almighty God by daring to pretend they have the authority to make that which God forbids “legal”. You had better start learning Russian as you will be given into the hands of your enemies. Already you stand no chance against Russian might. It will be like a little sparrow trying to fight a hawk. Enjoy getting what you have coming to you infidels.

      • Gay Veteran

        yeah, we just need the pedophiles in the catholic church to tell us what to do

        • M.

          Buzz, buzz little fly. Speaking of pedophiles, I would advise anyone who has sodomite neighbours to keep an eye on their children, as those who practise unnatural vice will frequently try out other things as well, if they get the chance and think they can get away with it. They infiltrate positions wherein they can do these things.
          Indeed, some infiltrated the Priesthood, they should have been executed. Others infiltrate Protestant sects, and some get themselves into the schools. All of the wonderful “freedom” in worthless apostate western countries have caused their numbers to rise exponentially.

          • Gay Veteran

            worry about sodomite neighbors if they’re catholic priests (and the catholic church spent years protecting them)

    • M.

      No one who lives in the U.S. has any duty to obey the so-called “supreme court” when it commands them to commit sin. They should realize that you types have stolen their country from them. It’s your country now and you re-made it in your own vile image. You types will get what’s coming to you one way or another. Think Persians and Medes overrunning Babylon, or the Romans conquering Carthage. That is what is in store for you. The western countries are the Carthaginians and the eastern nations are the Romans.

  • Because the Judge is Gay, and was caught forcing Gay agenda on Schools. He is a piece of crap. NO ONE HAS TO EXCEPT YOU BEING GAY, OR LIKE IT, GOT IT?

    • Gay Veteran

      guess you meant “accept”

      • sodomy soldier

        How do you deal with the lack of bowel control ?
        This is a first for me.

        • Gay Veteran

          I don’t know, how do YOU deal with the lack of bowel control? maybe

  • Emery Richards

    Realize that Jesus taught one very important thing with regard to politics, and government and war and the world as it is. He said to “be no part of the world” and to “live as an alien resident” in it. If one is to be a Christian, one must be no part of the world.

  • Karen McKim-Altman

    Millions of Christians around the world have suffered persecution for their faith….I was wondering when the persecution would arrive in the USA. Well, guess what: we are not immune; it is now here.

    • Gay Veteran

      you don’t have a clue about real persecution

      • guest

        Your lack of bowel control and parasites eating you from the inside out is not persecution, but brought on by your own perversion.
        Being queer is not a handicap, it is a mental and spiritual condition / failing.
        You are sick by your own hand.
        The Great Physician is your only hope. Seek Him while He can still be found.

        • Gay Veteran

          you sound like you need to become a Televangelists

  • How Not To Play The Game

    …….which is perfectly fine by me. I refuse to work for the beast anyway. Haven’t for a long, long time. Being a droid for a corporation aint my idea of havin’ a life. An honest man’s pillow is his peace of mind.

  • 0jr

    too freaking bad as a white boy who got 100% on a civil service test and every other job I was skipped over because of reverse discrimination I am glad since all the christian denominations were pro reverse dis. plus now they are behinde and promoting sanctury cities

  • Teknikid

    I don’t see it happening yet, but it would not surprise me if, down the road, people on the job at private businesses are surveyed on their beliefs. If they oppose homosexuality, they will be given the opportunity to change their mind in writing, or they will be terminated. “Sorry, but you are not upholding the corporate values of our organization. We have to let you go.” No lawyer will touch the case.

  • AmberJeanetteGardner

    Friend me :)

  • EgbertThrockmorton1

    I do not believe for a second that being Christian at present, we are in danger of NOT being “employed”. That headline is salacious and misleading in context to the incident related to in the article.
    Yes, I AM a practicing Christian, unashamed and find Ms. Davis’ actions a clear violation of her Public Oath of Office, ergo, she needs to be impeached by the Kentucky state Legislature immediately. She cannot force nor can she deny the public by whom she is employed, THEIR Constitutional Rights, because SHE finds it “offensive” to her personally. She has NO “personal rights” in the exercise of her public office capacities, in the manner and methods she has willfully chose to act out. The Federal Judge IS correct in his decision to hold her in contempt, she decided SHE would force HER will upon others, no matter what. Exactly like the couples who litigate against bakers who choose to NOT bake a cake, only their choice is a PRIVATE contractual choice, not a public official act against a group, religion, or political group. What is the difference between Ms.Davis, a Kentucky Democrat deciding now to refuse to marry a gay couple, or, her refusal to marry a Protestant couple, or, a Mormon one?

  • MooreGreen

    If you look at history you will find that the “Bible Students” now know as Jehovah’s Witnesses were rounded up and inprisoned before anyone else, including the the Jews.

    • M.

      Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t even Protestants, they deny the Divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity.

      • MooreGreen

        You should probably discuss first where the trinity came from before you try to defend it. If you are in agreement with the Nicene Council, written by men, then have at it. Prove to me from the scriptures that 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 is saying that Jehovah and Jesus are equal. I promise, any scripture you throw out as proof that they are equal will be shot down by logic FROM the scriptures.
        Jesus Christ shed blood is what saves sinful mankind. Don’t confuse that with Jesus being God. He certainly did not believe that. Jesus did the will of his Father, not himself.

        • iris

          You’re right, He did His Father’s will always, but He also says that He is one with the Father, and that, “if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father”. What about Isaiah’s prophecy that one of Messiah’s names would be Emanuel, (God with us)? He also let people worship Him as God; Thomas, once he touched Jesus’ scars, the man born blind, etc. Yeshua established the Church by the understanding articulated by Simeon, that He is the Messiah. So many verses attest to Christ’s divinity, in the Tenach and the NT, directly and indirectly, that the LDS and JW interpretation has to be taken out of context, imo. And Matthew 28:29, “Go therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit”, and in the verse immediately before, He says, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth”. I can’t remember who first said this, perhaps C.S. Lewis, please correct me if I’m wrong, someone, but the statement has been made that because Jesus claimed to be God, He either had to be right, or was a con man or a lunatic. I don’t think the actions or statements of Jesus describe or define Him evil or crazy. I believe He’s Emanuel.

          • MooreGreen

            Yes, all authority has been GIVEN him. By whom was this authority given. Like 1 Cor:15 20-26 states
            “He, Jesus, has authority over all things “except” the one that gave him that authority.
            I appreciate the tone of your answer and the lack of animosity, thank you. I have had this discussion countless times. Endless discussions really. Every scripture cited ex.” If you’ve see me you’ve seen the Father” etc. are in no way conflicting with Jesus not being God. If you have children you could not argue with the expression “spitting image” “chip off the old block” you get my drift.
            Exodus 33:20 is pretty salient on the point of no man being able to see God and yet live. Yet many saw Jesus.
            If the Trinitarian teaching has been around since Babylon and Egypt AND is a core belief of almost every religion, including LDS (investigate that) it would stand to reason that Satan would use this confusing concept to distract from the fact that there is a Creator, Jehovah, who has an only begotten (created/made) son, Jesus and this Creator uses His holy spirit (active force) to accomplish His purposes. A Triune God is an ancient and pagan teaching.
            Jesus is a propitiatory sacrifice for mans sin that happened in the Garden of Eden. A perfect life for a perfect life. For God to die (which He cannot) is overpayment in the extreme. I choose to stay away from pagan teachings.

          • iris

            Only God can forgive sin, so if you think Jesus’ sacrifice was effective regarding sin, there is a contradiction in your argument, imo. He “didn’t think equality with God was a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking on the form of a servant” (temporarily). Thanks to you, too, for keeping it civil.

          • MooreGreen

            The way to eliminate confusion on this subject, in my experience is to use the process of elimination.
            We are both in agreement that “Christianity” is the only acceptable religion that the true God speaks through. The Holy scriptures and so forth. By believing that, the process of elimination negates a good 2/3 “s of the worlds other belief systems. All road do not lead to God or the truth.
            So now one has to determine which way of “Christian” worship is acceptable to God. This is done by using the manual for our existence, His written word, the bible. I’m happy to use any translation in this discussion.
            Cheers

        • M.

          The Gospel of St. John 20:28-29 is plain enough. Our Lord did not rebuke St. Thomas for calling Him “My Lord and my God.” which He certainly would have were it not true. Your Russell was a false prophet whose predictions were invariably wrong. Come out from the accursed sect to which you have seen fit to adhere, be converted to the one true Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ and do penance before it is too late.

          • Gay Veteran

            the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon

          • M.

            Now you’re just trying to irritate me. Don’t bother, I’ve heard all the rubbish a thousand times before. Right now you’re just a gnat. You’re going to have to work hard to become a fully grown fly that might actually annoy me somewhat.

          • Gay Veteran

            LOL, and you’re just a maggot

          • M.

            Ha ha! Now you’re imitating me, have you nothing original Mistkaefer?

          • Gay Veteran

            if I wanted to imitate you then I would have to buy some knee pads, good for the knees when licking boots

  • Rob McClain

    I want to leave this hell hole too..but I can’t I have to sons I will have a lot planning.. I pray to JESUS to help us all ..am praying for Kim Davis ..I want o get her out of jail ..It all wrong ..Obama what a joke he is..

  • Toni

    Back in the 70’s & 80’s I was forced out or had to give up Registered Nursing positions because of my outspoken stand for Jesus Christ. The Lord, each time, opened up another door for me. This is nothing new, & I pray Christians in the work force will take a stand as I did because the Lord will provide for them if they trust Him to do so.

    • Gay Veteran

      how did that happen? preaching to your patients?

  • Christine

    John 15:19-21 doesn’t say believers MIGHT be persecuted, it says we WILL. In preparation, it would do us good to get on our knees in prayer, and ask God for endurance and wisdom through the persecution when it comes. He’ll equip us with immeasurable capacity to be His Light and Love, no matter what.

    “19”If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. 20″Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21″But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me.…

    • iris

      Thanks for the reminder! This was also David’s understanding when listening to Goliath’s taunts. He knew the insults were not really directed at himself, but at the God of Israel. “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, powers, world forces of this darkness, spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.” We can keep praying for those who persecute. We didn’t know Him at one point, either. God bless.

  • loadnup

    Hope this isn’t a repost but the CEO of starbucks came out and said for public discrimination “During the annual Starbucks shareholder meeting, CEO Howard Shultz sent a message to everyone who buys coffee at the large chain. If you support traditional marriage over gay marriage, Starbucks doesn’t want your business.” I won’t ever again step foot into one of satan’s coffee houses…. ever..

    • iris

      They’re also openly in support of elective, unnecessary abortions. There is an arrogant, self confident, militant zeal to the new morality, imo. Starbucks is too expensive for me, anyway.

  • iris

    Thanks for clarifying and pointing out the larger issue. Imo, current law is being used to intentionally force those of a certain religious persuasion into a corner and silenced, thus negating freedom of religion. Wonder what the ratio of jobs in the U.S. in governmental, public official capacity of any kind is, compared to private ones.

    • Gay Veteran

      people who can’t perform their job need to find another job

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        Then do it.

        • Gay Veteran

          I get very good evaluations for my job performance, and even get monetary awards. do you?

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Plenty and excellent feedback. Yet, my job doesn’t require us to stick guns at people and take what we want to pay employees, like yours. Mine, we have to make products according to the customer’s needs and desires. We get paid well for it. It’s called Capitalism.

          • Gay Veteran

            you whine like that when your local officials are paid?

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Yeah. They don’t deserve that much in compensation. We have a Zoning Manager that makes $900,000 a year + pension and full benefits. Cops earned it and I support paying for them, but they can arrange their own retirement. Besides, I have say about how much compensation the local officials get – we’re gonna solve this embezzlement in the coming months.

            Besides, your with USDA – a completely useless agency for the citizenry. States already have their own divisions of agriculture – we don’t need USDA. All you guys do is loan money like a bank (you Bankster), run food stamp programs into the ground, force obedience to rigid and oppressive guidelines, and screw up actual agriculture production by paying farmers not to farm! Rural Development? We can do that within the states!

          • Gay Veteran

            yeah, let’s get rid of food stamps while the korporate CEOs continue shipping MILLIONS of American jobs to China, Mexico, India, Vietnam, etc.

            and sorry junior, I’m not involved in loaning money

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You work for an agency that does loans! You give them your blessing ech and every day!

            We don’t need food stamps: when the USDA stops paying farmers not to farm and destroy their lower quality, yet perfectly nutritious and edible crops, there’s enough food for the poor to afford. Oh yeah – USDA guidelines causes 3/4 of a year’s crops to be destroyed to keep prices high.

          • Gay Veteran

            mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa because I am obviously responsible for everything USDA does. Heck, just toss in the rest of the government too!
            MORON

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            And there’s the red herring. Try focusing on my argument. Rewriting it into a logical fallacy when I didn’t do that is not effective.

            Now, I said you work for an agency that makes loans like a bank. Now is when you refer to your source material about the USDA to refute my argument.

            Try again.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey junior, I don’t approve any loans, I don’t give out any food stamps.
            don’t get your magic undergarments in a bunch

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            You really like to talk about my undergarments. Jealous?

      • sodomy soldier

        As of this time I have lost all control of my bowels and am lying in a puddle of my own waste……. ohhhh, I think my liver just fell out and flies are gathering about it.

        • Gay Veteran

          sorry to hear that, hope you feel better soon (or at least get back on your meds)

          • M.

            You shouldn’t mock, you will most likely finish up exactly that way if you continue perpetrating crimes against nature.

          • Gay Veteran

            you will most likely end up face down in a pillow as your local catholic priest abuses you

  • JustSayin’

    You’d think they would grandfather her in, and others like her, who cannot go against their faith. After all, the Kim Davis’ of this country were in their elected position LONG BEFORE the rules changed. In the meantime, it is clearly logical to come up with a plan B for clerks who face this dilemma. Just grant someone else in each office who IS willing to do these marriages, the license to do so, and let the Kim Davis’ of this country marry everyone else, until their elected term ends. Forcing anyone to do something against their faith is completely unacceptable. If this lady were Muslim, do you think she would be forced to do this? Doubt it. They’d accommodate the Muslim in whichever way they could, and they most certainly would not put her in jail the way they are doing this Kim Davis. If anyone cannot see what’s happening here (Christians being punished), then you are so far gone, that you are just hopeless. “Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin” – Google that phrase. That is America.

    • Firstname Lastname

      So if your employee was stealing from you and you decide to announce a “No Stealing” policy (even though you shouldn’t have to) they should be allowed to continue stealing from you until they retire? BRILLIANT!

    • Gay Veteran

      “…Just grant someone else in each office who IS willing to do these marriages, the license to do so….”

      guess you didn’t know that she refused to allow the deputy clerks to issue CIVIL marriage licenses

    • Gay Veteran

      gee, why didn’t we “grandfather” in those country clerks who opposed interracial marriage on religious grounds

  • Shesjustjodi Evans

    I am willing to die for my beliefs in the Bill of Rights

  • KB

    I served in the military for 26 years, begining with helping slaughter 1 to 3 million Vietnamese, and ending with planning how to drop nuclear weapons on Eastern Europe. This government just got done creating millions more refugees, and there are a hell of a lot of alleged Christians participating in war and living off of other peoples income including me.

    As for the service chiefs, why didn’t all 5 of them resign? Blaming Obama is BS,

    This country is already a fascist state, and only issue is how much force government at all levels is going to use on other nations and its own people.

  • We know that you have to sell your soul to enter politics or make it In Music and show business for the most part……..but the god of this worlds Time is about up…….Kingdom Come ….ready or not…

  • In NY a Muslim defaced a Christian church. Maybe a Muslim firebombed that other church. Obama’s flooding America with Muslims.

    • Gay Veteran

      those people need to be punished for their crimes

  • Doug-E -Fresh (Doug)

    Let come what may that I may glorify my Jesus in Truth. I shout praise from the mountain tops, to the valleys, on the street corners I will pray and sing joy to Lord!

  • tieman

    Well….we Christians won’t be bored, that’s for sure.
    We were predestined for this era.

  • Calabash

    What gays need to understand is that even though they may go through the motions of a traditional marriage ceremony, that Marriage License they are handed by a Clerk of Court, or even a minister who has left the fundamental teachings of Christianity, that license does NOT validate that they are married in the eyes of God or the Christian faith. All they have is a legal contract that means that if they decide to split up later, they must follow the divorce laws of their state. There is no sanction, no blessing, no inclusion, no acceptance and no recognition of a government-approved homosexual marriage in Christian doctrine. If homosexuals want to fool themselves into believing that Barack Obama and a group of judges in black robes can tell God how to think and what to do, that’s up to them. The Bible teaches that sodomy is an abomination before God. If homosexuals practice a different faith that does approve of sodomy, that still does not give them the right to override the Christian faith of others. But we all know this is all about extinguishing the rights of Christians, not Muslims or Scientologists.

    • iris

      Good point. And, married people have to pay more taxes than singles living together. Although…, if i’m not mistaken, common law marriage is still recognized in certain states. Wonder if couples under common law unions are required to pay taxes as married partners.

    • Gay Veteran

      poor thing, people like you felt the same way about interracial marriages

  • Shosh 7154

    I will not give up my job for faith, but I will give it up for Yeshua/Jesus

  • James

    Also when they persecute you they are persecuting Christ. Stay strong. It is a blessing to be hated for his name’s sake.

  • truth

    State permissions for marriage (license permission from a competent authority to do that which with out such is against the law to do. If you ask the state permission then the state is your god. Any church that is a 501-3C is a state church an instrument of hell. Women that SUPPORT communists Clinton and Obama should have to wear burka over their face and are two dumb to be considered any thing but very stupid. A real $.10 cents will buy about 3/4 of a gallon of gas, but .10 of a federal reserve note will barely get you a sniff. Wise saves silver money fools value fraud.

    • M.

      Something like a burqa wouldn’t be a bad idea. That’s another problem in apostate western countries, so many of the women love to dress like whores. This should be prohibited. How any man can tolerate his wife going around dressed like so many of them do is beyond me. They must have no honour.

  • Objectivity

    What is this logical fallacy of “new morality”? Most religions tend to think truth or morality is the exclusive domain of their subjective dogma, yet the world revolves around no one.

    The Supreme Court already ruled bans on same-sex marriage are unconstitutional. If Ms. Davis, a gov’t employee, doesn’t want to do her job anymore she can quit, not complicated. The separation of church and state is clear in the Constitution, Ms. Davis forgot that. Gay people pay taxes too and deserve no less than other tax paying citizens.

  • DEBBIE

    It is clear with odama if you are anything other than a radical muslim you are a terrorist in THE NEW AMERIKA!

  • LeseMajeste

    Davis is a phony, being backed by Bible Thumpers who want to install a theocracy in the USA.
    Her religion also says divorce is a no-no, yet she’s been divorced THREE times and is on her fourth marriage?
    Yes, a devout and holy women she is.
    Keep your Bible Thumping at home and in church and out of public offices.
    BTW, can someone point out the Bible passage that says ‘RAPTURE?’

    • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

      Conservative Christians don’t want a theocracy. They just don’t want to be excluded from such positions as county clerk, judge, florist , photographer or baker: all of which have suddenly become, thanks to the gay rights movement and the courts, jobs in which Christian fundamentalists have been forced to compromise their morals. About the “rapture” and where that doctrine comes from: I’m sure that more than one website out there has the information you seek.

      • Gay Veteran

        “…They just don’t want to be excluded from such positions as county clerk, judge, florist , photographer or baker….”
        two in that list does not fit with the others?
        county clerk and judge are PUBLIC officials whereas florist, photographer or baker are PRIVATE citizens

        • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

          Yes, GV. I understand that. I mentioned professions- both public and private- in which conservative Christians have found themselves in hot water over the gay rights issue recently.

          • M.

            Why do you call him GV, rather call him SV. He certainly doesn’t seem very gay in the proper sense of the word. If you use their words you will finish up thinking their thoughts.

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, you sure are fixated on sodomy, hmmmmmmm

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            He’s an angry guy, but wouldn’t be fair to call him a sodomite either. I don’t think he’s a rapist.

          • Gay Veteran

            in real life if you can’t do your job then you find another

      • Gil G

        If Christians have a right to their beliefs overriding the law of the land when the two conflict then it’s a Theocracy.

        • M.

          Any decent person has nothing but contempt for the so-called “law of the land”. Any decent person would spit in the faces of your utterly worthless “supreme court” if they met them on the street. Cursed be their good for nothing memories.

          • Gay Veteran

            you sound unhappy. you should move to a country where you would be happy. try Saudi Arabia

        • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

          When the law of the land, or the courts, start infringing upon the rights of citizens to live according to their conscience, then they have become oppressive. I am not saying that religious freedom is absolute, but I am dismayed that people see nothing wrong with the fact that a religious minority is being booted out of positions of power because they cannot in good conscience compromise their beliefs. Is it only one group of citizens whose rights should be considered? By the way, a theocracy is a government that claims to rule with divine authority. It is the opposite of a society that values freedom of religion and citizens’ participation in government. Who the heck is calling for a theocracy?

          • Gil G

            Why should someone’s conscious mean anything? It’s good when you think it’s good such as the German who would hide Jews from the Nazis and great personal risk? What happens someone else’s conscious differs from yours? What if a man wants to beat his wife according to his conscious. Or enslaves others because his religion allows it? Or persecutes and ostracises those he deems inferior by his conscious?

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Christian men are not petitioning the government for the right to beat their wives, or to buy and sell other people. I even took the trouble to say that religious freedom is not absolute. But you see what is going on today? People who used to be secure in certain professions are being told that they must compromise their faith or lose their job, or be restricted in that job. Something is being taken away from them. And in my opinion, it is not proper for the government to do that because it classifies their views as bigotry. Can some kind of compromise be worked out here? One in which everyone’s rights and dignity would be protected?

          • Gil G

            If your faith compromises your working ability then you’re in the wrong job hence leave.

          • Gay Veteran

            how is her faith being compromised? she is issuing CIVIL marriage licenses, not religious marriage licenses.
            and does she determine the religious appropriateness of every CIVIL marriage license she issues? is she allowing divorced people to marry? NO, she is being a hypocrite by her fixation on Gays

          • iris

            It exposes the government’s views toward certain religious convictions and political persuasions as bigotry, and because the spiral has funneled down this far this fast, I don’t think we’ll see compromise or reversal, probably the extrapolation of current policies.

          • Gay Veteran

            you American Christians don’t have a clue about oppression.

            part of her job is to issue CIVIL marriage licenses, not religious marriage licenses.
            should we allow a Jew or Muslim who refuses to handle pork to work at a pork BBQ store?

          • iris

            In this day and age in the U.S., the Muslim would have the job if they wanted it. There are whole states which have changed their school lunch menus to accommodate Muslims’ outrage at porcine products. And if Muslims want to take time out to pray in the middle of the day, many schools and places of employment are accommodating them. I don’t have any problem with them being allowed to take time out of their day to pray. The problem is; the acceptance or celebration of anything but Christian or Jewish religious beliefs or consistent conservative political views is promoted and protected, while they now find themselves under the gun.

            And I do have a clue about oppression, as do many others here.

          • Gay Veteran

            are there schools which have changed their school lunch menus to accommodate Jews’ outrage at porcine products?

            please inform us of your oppression

          • iris

            Jews or others, who choose to practice kosher dietary guidelines, just don’t eat it. They don’t make a huge deal out of it at others’ expense.

          • iris

            You don’t see vegetarians or vegans going crazy about it, either.

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            I’m an American, but not a Christian, though I am sympathetic to the predicament of a person like Kim Davis. Maybe they don’t know real oppression, but should they stand by while the are marginalized and deprived of office and income until one day they feel the weight of true oppression?

          • Gay Veteran

            she refuses to do her job, she is stealing the taxpayers money every time she cashed her pay check.

            and I have a feeling that a lot of the people here would have different feelings if she was Muslim

          • iris

            (-; Thanks.

  • Don_in_Odessa

    Christians haven’t been and I doubt we will ever be, banned from holding a job in this country. We still have the same right to choose God’s law or choose man’s law. What we do not have, and never legally had, was the right to force the effects of our freedom of religion on another person. Oh it happened. Sure it did. But that was only because of mob rule. Up until the last few decades, Christian zealots were the bigger mob.

    Nothing has changed except the exposing of an erroneous assumption by many mis-taught Christians in this country. That being that the founders created a “Christian Nation.” They did not, rather, they created a nation that was inhabited by a majority of Christians at the country’s founding. The one thing they quite purposely failed to do, was ensure that Christians could force God’s law on their fellow free citizens. In fact many of them having experienced religious tyranny themselves expressly forbid the possibility of any religion taking a lead in the laws of the land. They gave us the freedom to worship, not impose the effects of those precious freedoms on others.

    So choose folks and quit your bellyaching. Welcome to the real world. It was the same for the Apostles and the New Testament Church. Are we better than they?

  • markww

    JUDGE YOU WILL burn in hell along with the other filth in America that reject God and Country and Freedoms

  • Olo Rin

    Hail santa! He will come down from on high and deliver ye gifts! And ye shall remember him as wise and generous! And he shall judgeth ye on the merits of each, and be ye of poor moral character, ye shall receive naught but a lump of coal in thy stocking!

  • chrism12743

    At the rate this is going, all Christians and Jews will end up in camps of some form or another. It will begin to “protect” us from the more radical elements, then it will devolve into something truly sinister. Keep praying and stand tall.

    • Gay Veteran

      you American Christians don’t have a clue about real persecution

      • chrism12743

        And I would rather we did not know about “real Persecution”, that is the whole idea, to stave this off until people come to their senses and realize that muslims hate Americans and Jews, always have, always will.

        • M.

          Mohammedans and Jews both oppose and often hate Christians, both their “holy books” have many passages cursing those who serve Christ. One however goes much farther than the other and calls Him a black magician and calls His Most Holy Mother things I won’t write. I’ll give you a hint; it wasn’t the quran. The upper echelons of International Jewry and freemasonry are the worst scourge upon mankind yet seen, Mohammedans are bad, but mere amateurs in comparison.
          Wake up to which enemy is the more dangerous of the two. One attacks from without openly, the other infiltrates and insidiously works his way into your confidence, all the while planning the best way to bring you down and enslave you. I must say I respect an enemy who attacks openly and risks his own life much more than a coward who worms his way into the institutions and slowly poisons the minds of children with “education” which inculcates the idea that they are only beasts, trousered apes whose only purpose in life is to gratify themselves without restraint, and thus extirpates any trace of the nobility of spirit required for them to perceive what is going on and effectively resist it when they are fully grown.

          • Gay Veteran

            it’s actually refreshing to find a bigot who doesn’t hide his hatred

        • Gay Veteran

          they hate us for our freedoms, right?

          ROFLOL

    • M.

      I wager that you’re right. The Jews will be the guards and the Christians will be the inmates, just like in the Soviet Union and other Communist countries.

      • iris

        what a load of bs. Jews have suffered in Russia terribly. Jesus was and is a Jew, same with Peter, Paul, John, and the first church after Pentecost. The evangelists were Jewish. Scholars estimate that between 20 and 30,000 Jewish believers lived in Jerusalem after Pentecost. When you curse Jews and Israel, you curse the pupil of God’s eye. Don’t do penance, just repent, for your soul’s sake, of your bigotry.

  • G21

    {{{{{{{{{CONSPIRACY THEORIST ALERT!!!!}}}}}}}}

    • iris

      or perhaps, RACIST ALERT!!!!? May the good LORD of Israel bless and keep you. (:

    • M.

      Are you joking, or are you yet another disgusting toady that licks the feet of the “chosen”? If it be the latter you ought to read their “holy book”(no, it’s not the Old Testament) and find out what they really think about stupid goyim.

      • Gay Veteran

        we need those idol worshiping pedophile priests in the catholic church to tell us what to do

  • Navi

    Just keep looking towards the north.. The insanity won’t last that long before God steps in..which BTW already has…shalom

    • Gay Veteran

      north? why? is Santa going to show up?

    • guest

      Keep looking to the East.

  • CorruptionInColumbia

    Oh boo hoo! Kim is not the Sainted bastion of “Xtian values” she is being painted as. She is just another, “do as I say, not as I do”, self-righteous hypocrite. Those are a dime a dozen.

    Check into saintly Li’l Kim and you just might find that she has been married and divorced a few times and has kids out of wedlock. So much for that “sanctity of marriage” stuff, eh?

    I believe she “inherited” her job from her mother and has a child working in that office. Ah, the benefits of nepotism!

    She is paid a handsome salary to serve the public. The public consists of everybody, including gays and lesbians, some of whom pay taxes that provide for Li’l Kim’s salary and general operating expenses of her office, including her child’s salary. If she refuses to do her job and serve the public, she deserves to lose that job and maybe her freedom for stealing time from her employer.

  • rawhunger .

    Keep the hypocritical b*tch in jail. If she wants to follow her “faith”, then resign! Simple!

  • Hugh Vincelette

    She was incarcerated for refusing to carry out her responsibilities as county clerk. If people can disobey Supreme Court rulings for any reason, the result would be chaos. There were thousands of people who would have loved to ignore laws directing desegregation, based on religious beliefs.Freedom of religion does not give anyone the right to deny, diminish, or eliminate, the rights of others.

    • M.

      Your “supreme court” is as contemptible and worthless as it gets. Even the supposedly half-way decent ones did not appeal to God’s Law, or at least to logic and the natural law as they should have. As for those in favour of the abomination, any decent person would spit in their good for nothing faces upon meeting them in the street.

      • Gay Veteran

        let me guess, the idol worshiping catholic view of natural law

        • M.

          What, now you’re a rabid prot. Protties don’t care for you filthy perverts either, you’re not going to get a pat on the head from them, if that’s what you’re aiming for.

          • Gay Veteran

            nope, but I am aiming to mock idol worshipers like you

  • Vhmmmm

    I saw no reason to jail this woman, although perhaps she was not the right individual to assign to that position. What I would like to point out to everyone here is that it is hypocritical to decry shariah laws in the middle east, but insist on the christian equivalent of shariah laws in the US. I support the demarcation between church and state while I also support the woman’s dedication to her faith. Instead of insisting that the woman be involved in such a distasteful chore, perhaps the more christian thing to do would have been to step aside to allow someone who had the stomach for it to do it…. if such a person exists. and if they don’t… well, those same sexers will just have to wait or go someplace else if they don’t want to wait until someone is available that is willing to support their lifestyle choices. Until then… its their choice and her choice. duh.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…Instead of insisting that the woman be involved in such a distasteful chore, perhaps the more christian thing to do would have been to step aside to allow someone who had the stomach for it to do it….”

      you do know that she refused to allow the deputy clerks to issue CIVIL marriage licenses?

      “…if such a person exists. and if they don’t… well, those same sexers will just have to wait or go someplace else if they don’t want to wait until someone is available that is willing to support their lifestyle choices. Until then… its their choice and her choice. duh.”

      I’m so glad bigots like you don’t hide your bigotry.

      btw, using your “logic” then YOU could choose to be gay, now try actually thinking about that for a few minutes

      • Vhmmmm

        your bias is overwhelming. nice try at trolling though. btw, i am entitled to have my opinions to this subject, as is everyone else in the united states. you chose the lifestyle. you must accept all the ramifications of that. i will not be held to the tyranny of the minority over your lifestyle choice. you remain entitled to your own choice and opinion, as does everyone else.

        • Gay Veteran

          “…you chose the lifestyle….”

          you’re an idiot, why would someone “choose” a “lifestyle” that even today can result in being rejected by family and friends, losing your job (STLL legal in the majority of states), being beaten, being murdered.

          and AGAIN, using your “logic” then YOU could choose to be gay, now try actually thinking about that for a few minutes

          • guest

            Like you, he could choose to be a queer. It is a choice, not an imperative.
            The fact that the behavior is so disgusting, so aberrant to normal humans indicates that it is not normal and a sign of mental illness as well as demonic influence /oppression.
            By all means, keep beating your drum and parading your ‘victim’ status and maybe perhaps someday, you can convince yourself that the lies you spew are true.
            Nobody else is buying it.

          • Gay Veteran

            awww, little stupid troll in a bad mood? what, did mommy troll not give you some milk and cookies?

            a sign of mental illness as well as demonic influence /oppression? sounds like you’ve been staring too long into the mirror, junior

          • guest

            I don’t know the source of your bitterness and hatred but I do know that it can be washed away and you can be filled with joy and peace.
            Time grows short. Jesus loves you. Accept His gift of salvation.
            I would like to see you in Heaven overflowing with true love and joy.

          • Gay Veteran

            (a) I’m not bitter, (b) the only hatred I have is when fundamentalist ayatollah wannabes want to use the power of the state to impose their particular religious views.

            and considering YOUR posts, YOU need to beg forgiveness from Jesus for the hatred in your heart

          • Vhmmmm

            I see no point in spending anymore time on this subject matter and/or on you in particular.

  • Gay Veteran

    yes, we are “arrogant” and “militant” for demanding equal rights.

  • Gay Veteran

    uh, no
    religion exists for 2 reasons:
    (1) man fears death
    (2) as a means of social control (obey the king or you’ll go to h ell)

    heck, I’ll toss in a 3rd reason:
    (3) as a means for priests and preachers to obtain money and power

    • Actually

      Man wants a relationship with God and because God wants a relationship with His creation. Don’t be deceived – everything else is a distortion.

      • Gay Veteran

        as I said:

        religion exists for 2 reasons:
        (1) man fears death
        (2) as a means of social control (obey the king or you’ll go to h ell)

        heck, I’ll toss in a 3rd reason:
        (3) as a means for priests and preachers to obtain money and power

      • Gay Veteran

        “…Man wants a relationship with God and because God wants a relationship with His creation….”

        and yet most religious people on this planet are NOT Christians

  • Gay Veteran

    maybe you ought to be more appalled at the massive war crimes this country has committed around the world

  • Bernard FitzMaurice

    Where I work this is not anything new. The homosexuals agenda took over more than 20 years ago. Anyone who dared to speak against it was immediately terminated and escorted off the property by security. I currently am in a very independent position and the doctor that I work for is not tied to this homosexual agenda. My dilemma is that in my position I can support and protect a lot of people and prevent the worst of the persecution for these people, even though I would like nothing more than to stand up and accuse the senior management publicly of their collusion with this agenda. It is a difficult decision, but I will continue to bite my tongue and protect the people that I can. I know that eventually I will not be able to remain silent but I hope that when the time comes, those that I have protected will join me in demanding that this attack on Christianity be ended. The one thing that I have learned is that homosexuals hate GOD and they hate anyone who believes in GOD. This, more than anything else, shows the demonic source of their perversion.

    • Gil G

      And God hates homosexuals.

      • iris

        Oh, please stop fomenting. God loves everyone. He hates evil, pain and destruction, therefore, sin of any kind. Christians have faced the fact that we are in need of a savior because of our sin, and that the need has been met in Jesus Christ, whom we have received. That’s all.

    • Gay Veteran

      “Where I work this is not anything new. The homosexuals agenda took over more than 20 years ago….”
      yeah! those nasty fa gs, how dare they demand equal rights!

      “…The one thing that I have learned is that homosexuals hate GOD and they hate anyone who believes in GOD….”

      LIAR, many gays and lesbians are Christians.

      “…This, more than anything else, shows the demonic source of their perversion.”

      bet you got all excited typing that.

      now don’t you have a street corner to pray loudly at

      • Bernard FitzMaurice

        BY THE NAME OF JESUS BE SILENT DEMON AND RETURN TO YOUR SUFFERINGS IN HELL.

        • Gay Veteran

          BY THE NAME OF the flying spaghetti monster BE SILENT DEMON AND RETURN TO YOUR SUFFERINGS IN HELL.

  • JB

    That’s where faith comes in. Faith that God is holy, righteous, in control and allowing such things to happen for a distinct purpose (perhaps trial to purify the church?). In Revelation, who is breaking the seals to bring about the arrival of the anti-Christ? In Job, Satan had to ask God permission before he could do anything to him. None of this is a surprise to the Lord – in fact, He’s allowing it to happen and knows exactly where things are headed.

    The righteous shall live by faith. Read Hebrews 11. Despite horrible circumstances, we’re to trust the Lord. That’s where the rubber meets the road for true (bible believing) Christians. It’s about knowing who God is and trusting Him no matter what. The issue in the Garden related to trusting God and His Word (the serpent questioned, “Yea, hath God said?”). We trust Him with our very lives, knowing He has an eternal plan for us, that what He says in His Word is true – that He has gone “to prepare a place for us” and will return one day to lay hold of what He alone has purchased (note in Revelation the scroll written on both sides – back in Roman times that was the title deed to something – in this case the title deed to the earth – what Satan usurped from man, Jesus rightfully purchased back and lays claim of as He takes it from the right hand of the Father).

    Time is running short, indeed. We won’t know the day or the hour, but Jesus said we will know the season of His return. It seems to be upon us and He encourages us, “when you see these things, look up, for your redemption draweth nigh.” It may seem ironic, but it is actually good news for the believer – God is about to return and set things right!

    • iris

      Yeah! That’s what we need to focus on the most. All this other crud is part of the world’s smoke and mirror shell game aka business as usual. Let’s share the gospel asap and as much as possible in word and deed. That’s why we’re here, to serve and glorify God, who alone is worthy. There will be injustice and misunderstanding in the world as we know it now, but not for much longer.

  • Gay Veteran

    ah yes, Mike Huckabee, ever willing to separate the sheep from their dollars

  • DANA

    I like you am appalled by the moral decay of my country, and the homosexual issue is just one of many. Many heterosexuals I know behave in atrocious ways and treat their marriages like a joke. Of course the children suffer because of this and further moral decay ensues. We are in a vicious cycle and there’s only one way out, but nobody wants to believe there’s a moral truth or a moral truth giver.

  • Don’t impose a decision made by 5 people sitting on a court on me.

    Furthermore, I’m also not interested in living up to your imposed standards of what a Christian should be, as well.

    You were being a shameful hypocrite in your original post, and I called you out on it.

    • Gay Veteran

      and HOW is that decision being imposed on YOU?
      and are you still all excited about the Surpreme Court “imposing” interracial marraiges on you?

  • Kathy Bates

    If the Church was truly living the teachings of their faith, the power of God would be evident to all watching but they live a compromised life so nobody believes in the God of Christianity. Sorry but I’m putting this right back on the Christians. They reportedly make up 73 to 88% of the US. It’s impossible to be that big of a demographic and not be responsible for what’s happening in the culture. I have experienced God at a much deeper level and tried to share it with the people in the churches and they didn’t want to hear it. They have everything just like they want it and now want to distance themselves from the outcome. “You will reap what you sow.”

    • Preacher62

      Truth right there.

  • Gil G

    So if Christians can’t run society they’re the persecuted ones?

  • M.

    You infidels thought you could spit at God and get away with it did you? Ha ha ha ha! Now He is giving you into the hands of your enemies who will give you apostates what you so richly deserve. The Jews you love so much laugh at stupid goyim like you and although I can’t condone it I can understand why.
    Mohammedans may at times mistreat women, but at least they don’t want them to run about dressing as, and being filthy whores like you pagans do. In desiring and taking pleasure in this you dishonour them much more.

    • Gay Veteran

      stupid goyim? what are you babbling about?

      • M.

        If you’re ignorant of a word’s meaning look it up. It can’t be that hard, even for you.

        • Gay Veteran

          Moron, I know what goyim means. But what are you babbling about?

    • That’s the sort of reply I often get on this blog. However, I’m not an infidel and I don’t spit at God. I was born to puritan parents. It was so strict at home that I couldn’t even wear shorts. It gets past 110 where I live and I used to get so sweaty from being dressed like a puritan that I got diaper rash when I was a teen. The extreme dress code and temperature is what made me not want to wear anything when it’s hot.
      Christians get their viewpoint on nudity from the Adam and Eve story and from the story in Mark about the devil possessed unclothed man. However, unlike him I don’t cut myself, I don’t like cemeteries, and I don’t mess up my body with other things like piercings and tattoos. I also cover up when it’s cold or sunny. The Christian opinion that nudity is wrong has holes in it. For example, God commanded Isaiah to walk naked for 3 years, Jesus was naked on the cross along with the other man who he said would be in paradise with him, and the disciple who Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to went fishing naked are some reasons.
      Also how someone chooses to dress does not dishonor another person. Taking away their right to drive, not letting them leave home without a male escort and honor killing them is what dishonors women.
      Women aren’t whores if they dress a certain way. A whore is a prostitute.

      • iris

        Yep. It’s not our bodies that need to be covered up, it’s our hearts and minds that need to change. God made Adam and Eve naked, I have a sneaking suspicion that heaven may have naked people in it. Poor people in Jesus’ day had to go naked, poor people today have to go naked, people in equatorial jungles often go partially to fully naked. No sin in that. In heaven, believers’ bodies will be glorified ones, not subject to the ravages of sin which were incurred and have been propagated by our race. Robes of white linen, I’m sure they’ll have their place in heaven, but the main thing is that we’re clothed with His righteousness. That’s the kind of covering believers have. Here and now, we’re still subject to temptation, so if we can dress modestly, to stay cool enough or warm enough, clothing is helpful.

        • M.

          All who dress in such a way as to provoke impure thoughts will have to answer to God for the sins they were the occasion of. Those who consented to such thoughts are guilty, but those who deliberately dressed or acted immodestly are guilty also.

          • iris

            So you think a person who was born, raised and died in a cardboard box in New Delhi and didn’t have the money to buy clothing in such a hot climate, not to mention for enough food to eat, will be judged by God for tempting their fellow citizens who shared in their circumstances? If you read what I said, you would have seen that I believe in dressing modestly. But again, the point I made was that our hearts and minds are the issue, not our clothing or the lack thereof. Judge fairly and rightly.

          • M.

            No one said anything about such unfortunates. The man advocating nudism above is obviously not an impoverished Indian. Under certain circumstances, one may commander someone else’s boat or motorcar if its use is necessary for saving innocent life. One can not however say that since it is permissible under these circumstances, it’s also permissible for one to take a stranger’s car for a few days just because one happens to like its colour.

    • That’s the sort of reply I often get on this blog. However, I’m not an infidel and I don’t spit at God. I was born to a puritan mom and dad. It was so strict at home that I couldn’t even wear shorts. It gets past 110 where I live and I used to get so sweaty from being dressed like a puritan that I got diaper rash when I was a teen. The extreme dress code and temperature is what made me not want to wear anything when it’s hot.
      Christians get their viewpoint on nudity from the Adam and Eve story and from the story in Mark about the devil possessed unclothed? man. However, unlike him I don’t cut myself, I don’t like cemeteries, and I don’t mess up my body with other things like piercings and tattoos. I also cover up when it’s cold or sunny. The Christian opinion that nudity is wrong has holes in it. For example, God commanded Isaiah to walk naked for 3 years, Jesus was naked on the cross along with the other man who he said would be in paradise with him, and the disciple who Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to went fishing naked are some reasons.
      Also how someone chooses to dress does not dishonor another person. Taking away their right to drive, not letting them leave home without a male escort and honor killing them is what dishonors women.
      Women aren’t whores if they dress a certain way. A whore is a prostitute.

  • catalanismo is hatred

    sorry christianity is a trash religion and the bible, the world will be better without them

    • M.

      You ought to be confined to a labour camp for the rest of your natural life infidel cockroach.

      • catalanismo is hatred

        Christianity is backward, get free!!! The God of the Bible behaves like a psycho, punish humankind, destroy civilizations, make the women suffer each month, he does not want we get knowledge, (tree´s eden) he is a monster. I can not understand how someone can worship him

        • M.

          You write like a luciferian. Are you a devotee of Blavatsky, Crowley and such? If so you have been deceived by the devil. The Christian Faith brought about spiritual and material advancement of all kinds. Christ suffered death that by His Resurrection we might be saved. He has done all He can to demonstrate His love, all who know Him can’t help but become angry upon seeing or hearing Him blasphemed.
          God wills that mankind should have knowledge, all of the things that have contributed to the diffusing of knowledge originated with the Christian European civilization.
          How can a man say he is free, that he is master of anything, when he can’t even control his own passions and appetites? This is impossible without God’s grace. His grace frees man and enables him to have life and have it more abundantly. Giving in to the passions and base impulses is degrading slavery, not freedom. People in America and western Europe have no restraints placed on their behaviour whatsoever, and they are among the most miserable people in the world.
          Some civilizations deserve to be destroyed. Do you not want justice? You ought to see an exorcist as soon as possible, it appears that you are under a very strong demonic influence. Pray the Our Father and three Aves every morning and evening. If you are spiritually attacked for so doing it will become apparent to you that you are indeed probably possessed and need exorcism.
          The spirits who inspire you are not your friends, they want only to see you damned forever like them. Read about Blessed Bartolo Longo. He was like you, but was converted and saved out of the hand of satan. As long as you are alive it is still possible to turn from this way and correspond with God’s graces so that your soul will not be eternally lost.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…People in America and western Europe have no restraints placed on their behaviour whatsoever….”

            you are so full of BS, go back to worshiping your idols

          • catalanismo is hatred

            Actually I have not heard about Blavatsy or Crowley before.

            But if they think that the God of the Bible is a cruel monster that obligate us to kill plants and animals to survive and can live. And they disagree with his murderers of children, that he invented many idioms, so we can not comunicate among us and alll his crimes I AM A PROUP 100% LUCIFERIANIST!!!!!

            THE GOD OF THE BIBLE IS A PSYCHO!!!!!

            DO NOT WORSHIP THIS MONSTER!!!

      • Gay Veteran

        hit a nerve, eh

  • M.

    What a disgusting cowardly little maggot you are. Filth like you act as deadly bacteria infecting and weakening mankind, what a curse your worthless kind is upon the body politic.

    • CorruptionInColumbia

      Oops! Sounds like I hit close to home for you.

      • M.

        If I saw you I would spit in your face little cockroach and you would take it like the filthy contemptible little coward that you are. If instructed to ask to be spat upon again you would do so at once in a pleading supplicating tone. You’re not a man and you probably never will be. Remember that, don’t try to rise above your place. You might well regret it if you do.
        Look in the mirror and reflect on what you are. You could have something other than the cowardly sack of garbage you are had you not hated and rejected the light and hurriedly gone off to join the devil like so many others in disgusting apostate western countries. You and other such filth will get what’s coming to you soon enough.

        • CorruptionInColumbia

          Oh, what nice Xtian sentiments! Of course, I expect nothing less from your typical Xtian. Go to church on Sunday and talk about how Jeebus preached love for your fellow man. Then screw another man’s wife (or son) and maybe steal something from him, too. After all, it is b the Xtian way and it’s all right because Jeebus says you will be forgiven.

        • CorruptionInColumbia

          Ahhh, what wonderful and typical Xtian values! Praise Jeebus!!!!

    • Gay Veteran

      and I’m sure you consider yourself to be a good christian

    • CorruptionInColumbia

      How very Xtian of you. I am sure Jeebus beams with pride as we speak.

    • M.

      Whoever deleted my other comment to the Kakerlak corruptionincolumbia should delete his filthy comment above which calumniates the parents of someone he doesn’t even know as well. That is much worse than telling the miserable little flea what he really is.

  • Bob K

    with the exception of the “confessing church”, which was a very small group of Christians, few other christians stood against hitler and his nazis.

  • Gay Veteran

    and yet they are still married.

    you sound unhappy in America, move to Saudi Arabia

  • Gay Veteran

    awwww, ayatollah DANA is upset his religion can’t be used to control people

  • Gay Veteran

    your type opposed interracial marriage.
    want a theocracy? move to Saudi Arabia you freedom hating ayatollah wannabe

  • Gay Veteran

    “…Germany is probably the most open-minded country in the world as far as letting people dress how they want is concerned (moderated word) and now Bilderberg? is flooding Germany with 500,000 Arabs a year! Other European countries are getting flooded also…..”

    ALL a direct consequence of America’s vassals in Europe supporting our wars of aggression in north Africa and the Middle East

  • Gay Veteran

    jeez, surprised you didn’t throw in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion

  • Gay Veteran

    wetting your pants over them Islamofascists, eh

  • Gay Veteran

    Many Christian fundamentalists are obsessed with attacking those who don’t believe in fundamentalist Christian beliefs and conservative values.

  • Gay Veteran

    well maybe we should just let the pope tell us what to do.
    and yes I’m sure the autocratic catholic church hated the Enlightenment

    • catholicguy

      Ah yes. Coinciding with the murder of clergy and their own citizens, overthrow of monarchies and even beheading their own revolutionaries. Enlightening, for sure! In the spirit of enlightened man, more deaths from war can be attributed from this era until ours than all of the religious wars combined.

      Out of this movement we received moral and philosophical relativism. Descartes, trained in a Jesuit school, turned his Christian thought around from “I am, therefore I think” to “I think, therefore I am.” Talk about intellectual patrimony :)

      Being the inheritors of their liberalism, now, we’re given a new sort of liberalism: the tyranny of relativism. Where one could even posit that a man who places his procreative organ inside an excretive organ is equivalent to what man and woman were naturally designed to do. Where one can even redefine his or her own existence by simply proclaiming themselves to be of another gender!

      That’s freedom, right? Freedom to completely disconnect from reality and spread subversive, moonbat ideologies. Error is held indifferent to truth, likened to printing two mathematical equations, one false and one true, side by side, and asking the student to pick the one they see fit to be true.

      Ah, enlightenment.

  • Gay Veteran

    bilge

  • Phyllis Teeters Dawes Page

    I will pray for the Lord to open your eyes before it is eternally too late.

    • Gay Veteran

      and I will pray for the Flying Spaghetti Monster to open your mind before it is too late

  • Preacher62

    Being a simple man, I made a very simple post urging people to put their trust in God and be joyful rather than fearing man. The “KJV only” crowd effectively destroyed that post by claiming that it was not really God’s word thus bringing doubt into the minds of all who read it. Whose kingdom are they serving? Not God’s for sure. I hope you all Sleep well tonight.

  • Diane G.

    Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
    7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
    2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    Everyone has personal bias…Who was right, who is wrong…
    God also doesn’t like judgmental people who ignore a lot of his basic teachings, such as loving your neighbor.
    Kim Davis will face her own judgement, as will the judge who sentenced her…

    People need to worry about themselves! People go to church their whole lives and miss the meaning of being Christ like!

    Romans 3 verse 23: For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. You’d think this would be easy to remember but it doesn’t seem to be.

  • iris

    Good point. There was interracial marriage before 1966, although it was often difficult for the couple, but now, no one even notices, which is as should be. America has done some things well, albeit not many, in the last 60 years.

  • iris

    That’s telling like it is. Truth is stranger than fiction. God is still in control, however, and He wins.

  • Jim Davis

    It is September 9th and the world is still here and no rapture either. Only 21 days left for Armageddon.

    • metalpants

      Don’t expect the rapture anytime this month, lol. Expect turmoil and unrest, yes, but not the rapture nor Armageddon. There’s still a few prophesies that need to take place before that.

      Besides, the bible talks about a time when things look absolutely normal. So, it’s very possible that things will get pretty bad for some time and then comes Mr. Antichrist and “calms” everything down. THAT’S when we should worry about raptures and end-of-the-world issues and whatnot.

      • iris

        and there will be a 7 year confirmation of a covenant made or about to be made by him/it with Israel, which will be broken by him/it half way through. That’s when things will really hit the fan. I have to wonder if there has been a covenant made already, which we’re not aware of yet, but will come to light in the future.

        • metalpants

          I see what you mean. I’ve thought of that before too. But the bible points at the antichrist as a big deal that the whole world will be in on. Not to mention, he’ll fully support that one world government/economy/religion system that will basically enslave everyone. But see, Agenda 2030 (to be announced in just under two weeks from now)– which is the same ideal that the bible describes in Revelation– is basically what will pave the way for the antichrist to act. His face will be out there. God always warns his people before time so that they are not taken by surprise. So don’t worry… we’ll see stuff unfold and evil become very obvious about its goal before we’re taken up, rest assured :).

          • iris

            totally agree. God bless.

  • Thank God for the upcoming prayer conference September 18 thru the 20th..this nation truly needs it, Michael!

  • M.

    It is easy for me to write long posts. It doesn’t take hours and hours to do so like it does for you. You never write long posts because you are intellectually incapable of doing so. Envy is an ugly thing. Just work harder, expand your vocabulary and perhaps one day you too will be able to write more than a few words at a time.

    • iris

      you’re a jerk. Stop using Jesus’ name in vain by pretending to know Him and the truth when in reality, you’re full of self righteousness and hate.

      • iris

        I doubt you think I’m a Christian, because unlike yourself, I’m not a Catholic. Funny, (thought the word catholic meant, universal) but I recognize that many in Orthodox and RCC are indeed real believers, yet, it’s something you can’t seem to afford the rest of us who call Him Lord. Your disdain of others is plenty obvious, thanks. If you think GV has limited intellect, why don’t you pray for him if you’re a Christian?

        • M.

          You may be well-meaning but are nevertheless wrong. Christ founded one Church, not 40,000. Truth does not contradict itself. He solemnly promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. Protestants deny that He was able to keep His word.
          If you read St. Justin Martyr you will see that he describes the Mass, not a service. He lived and was martyred in the 2nd century A.D. St. Ignatius of Antioch was the disciple of St. Polycarp the Martyr who was the disciple of St. John the Evangelist who wrote the Gospel which bears his name and was of course the disciple of Christ Himself. The doctrines St. Ignatius wrote of were Catholic doctrines, belief in the Real Presence, that is Transubstantiation among many others. How can believe in Christ if He was supposedly unable to prevent His Church from being more or less destroyed? That is to blaspheme Him by calling Him a liar, or to blaspheme Him by denying that He is God and thus Almighty and able to keep His word. It is not enough to say you believe, you must believe in the way that He wills. No human being has a right to make up his own religion, picking and choosing doctrines that please him and rejecting those he finds unpalatable.
          Every human being has solemn duty of believing and obeying God wholeheartedly, even in those things he finds difficult. How far back can you trace Lutheran bishops? To the 16th century. How far back can you trace Methodist ministers? Only to the 18th century, that is when their sect was founded, by a man, not by God. How far back can you trace Roman Catholic Popes and bishops? To the 1st century, to St. Peter and the Apostles, and thus to Christ Our Lord Himself. Think on that.

          • iris

            Christ is the head of the Church, not the pope, not your idea of what the Church is, imo. The Holy Spirit indwells all who call on Him as LORD and savior in sincerity and faith. We who accept Him as such are not confined to any specific denomination. Yes, there are differences. In any family, there can be disagreements, differences in personality, etc., but we still relate and love each other.

          • M.

            God is not the author of confusion. Read Galatians 1:7-9. The Albigenses, the Waldensians, and the 16th century heresiarchs all taught a gospel which differed from that given by Christ and preached by St. Paul. Do not follow these blind guides (Gospel of St. Matthew 15:14), but rather correspond with God’s grace, abjure heresy and be converted.

      • M.

        Maybe I am a little bitter at times. These infidels and heretics have nothing but contempt for Catholics and constantly calumniate the remnant of the faithful, actuated by the spirit of satan, so I give it right back to them. If they say the Holy Catholic Church is the w—- of Babylon and what not, or if an infidel wants to blasphemously deny the existence of God, then I have no duty to be civil to them.
        I will rather call them what they are, which is filth. They have rejected the light and willingly adhered to satan. They are enemies and must be treated as such. Our Lord Himself was not always nice, as when he told the unbelieving Jews that the devil was their father. Righteousness is more important than niceness.

        • iris

          Love is righteousness and God is love. Any calling out by Jesus was said in love, He never called anyone filth. Sounds like you have no consciousness of sin in yourself, which I find scary, to say the least. Why do you keep focusing on gays and Jews? “Who is among you without sin, cast the first stone”. I’m certainly not saying, if you’ve read my comments, that there is no sin, and that it is not abhorrent, but we are all affected by it. I find your lack of mercy, humility, grace and love, diametrically opposed to the gospel.

          • M.

            It’s one thing to sin out of weakness, like someone who gets high on dope because of suffering they’ve endured, deaths in their families and so on, it’s quite another thing to sin out of pure malice, out of a perverse will that screams non serviam. I suppose it would be better to not call them so many names. On the other hand, can one say that one loves Christ if one is not angered upon seeing His enemies wilfully offend Him? As for my focus on sodomites and Jews, well the first is the main topic of discussion due the article, the second answers the question as to who is imposing all of these horrors on the general population and why. The upper echelons of International Jewry and the Shabbos goys in the Lodges are doing so because, to quote Mazzini, an arch-mason “we corrupt in order to rule.”

        • 21Grams

          You sound exactly like Walid Shoebat. I perceive your spirit to be just like his. Perhaps you’d be happier posting on his site, if you’re not indeed him.

    • Gay Veteran

      long babbling posts are prima facie evidence of a troll.
      envy? of a boot licking authoritarian like you? ROFLOL

  • M.

    All right, let’s say the Protocols are false, (which I don’t believe, but just for the sake of argument) and throw them out. Why do so many Rabbis say things that resemble them. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef for example with his teaching of Goyim being born only to serve the people of Israel. He was revered in Israel, Netanyahu considered him a great man. Why were 400 or so out the 450 odd members of the original Soviet Politburo of Jewish origin? Was this just a coincidence. I could adduce many other examples, enough to make me think of something I’ve heard which is quite true: once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.
    I don’t think Jews should be made the slaves of Gentiles, nor do I wish to see them harmed. The best thing for them would be to have their own little country, somewhere other than the Holy Land where they could have their own gentile-free society. Gentiles would leave them alone and they would leave Gentiles alone. That’s fair isn’t it?

  • M.

    Spot on my brother in the Holy Faith. Isee you have a picture of one of the winged Hussars who were instrumental in defending Vienna and delivering a crushing to the infidels who dared to raise themselves against Christ. That is splendid. There are many Poles who still possess the same heroic spirit as animated their illustrious forefathers. Sodomite so-called “marriage” is still forbidden in Poland despite all of the threats from the E.U. filth. Croatia and Hungary are resisting the onslaught as well.
    This demonstrates that the future belongs to the Eastern nations. One day the nations of the earth will look to them for guidance as they looked to France in earlier times. Never give up, remember the examples of Jean Vallette, Jan Sobieski and El Caudillo Francisco Franco. May God and His Most Holy Mother bless you and your family.

    • catholicguy

      Thank you and may God bless your family.
      Speaking of the Poles, there is a new documentary published yesterday on youtube concerning the Synod. It features Bp. Athanasius Schneider, Card. Raymond Burke, and Archbp. Jan Pawel Lenga and is called “Kryzys. Dokąd zaprowadzi nas synod? / Crisis. Where will the synod lead us to?”

      Very much worth checking out!

  • M.

    The Mohammedans will subjugate you maggot. The future belongs to the eastern nations. You will grovel before Russian might.

  • metalpants

    Of course we should be willing to give up everything… that’s the whole point of fully trusting God. What kind of weak Christians would we be if we just curl up into a ball at the first sign of trouble? Is God NOT in control? It’s about time God started shaking the foundations of our sweet little comfort zones. We can’t grow if we’re complacent where we are… *especially* when it’s based on an easy life, and an easy-way-out solution to everything.

    • iris

      (: umm, hmm. He’s never failed yet, and He’s not about to now, but we have to trust Him. “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world yet lose his soul?”

  • Josey

    I know in whom I believe, Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings, glory to His name!

  • iris

    The church fathers in Rome adopted the Greek idea, formulated by around 200 A.D., of supersessionism, also known as Replacement Theology, when the RCC came into existence around 350 A.D. Many Greeks hated Jews and, (combined with their love of “wisdom”, allegory and figurative thinking), reinterpreted Scriptures which were intended to be taken literally. Peter probably rolled over in his grave when that happened. It is a very convenient doctrine however, when one chooses to blame another people group for crucifying Messiah. The Roman governor Pilate was responsible, too, and the Roman soldiers beat Messiah to the point of being unrecognizable as a human being. The point is, we all did that, because all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That idea has been responsible for the deaths of many millions of people. But then, Greece colonized Rome and Italy before Rome ever came to power, so it is no surprise that their methods of deduction were also used.

    • M.

      The RCC came into existence in 29 A.D. In fact one could say that the Church has been from the beginning in a certain sense as the religion of Noah and later that of Moses and the Hebrews was the true religion, that is the Catholic religion as it existed before the Incarnation, Death and Resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
      The writings of the earliest Saints such as St. Ignatius of Antioch and St. Justin Martyr are Catholic doctrines. For the matter of that the Holy Scriptures are Catholic. You speak of literal interpretation, I don’t see how anything could be more literal than the words spoken by Our Lord as recorded in the Gospel of St. Matthew 26:26-28, which plainly imply transubstantiation. If the Scriptures themselves teach Catholic doctrine and the new religions teach something else who is right?
      Read Galatians 1:7-9 before answering that. As for the question of who now constitutes the Chosen of God, how do you explain Acts 13:45-52 and I Thessalonians 2 :14-16 which quite clearly contradict the notion that Jews are still the chosen of God. It is wrong to encourage this delusion which is so strong among the Jews. They must realize that they are on the road to perdition and must be converted and do penance if they want to be saved.

  • iris

    The abuse of children is what upsets me the most. A society is known by how it treats its most vulnerable.

  • DaCoachK

    Christians will be forced underground into back-churches, just like the days when the alimentary-canal-assaulters congregated in out-of-the-way dives in the shadows of society. Ironic, isn’t it? The religious people are the new queers, and the real queers are the most revered and pious people in America. It is what happens when you let the Left anywhere near power; they transform–destroy–it.

  • wadecox

    For 1600 years Sabbatarians have been persecuted by Sunday Worshipping Christians for keeping the laws of God including the festivals of God. Now the Beast is turning on this pseudo-Christian whore and they are faced themselves with persecution and it will get worse. When Christ gets here they will find they are forced to repent and keep the laws of God and they wont like it one little bit.

  • Faith Contender

    For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake…
    Philippians 1; 29

  • 4Him

    Do not ever forget the VERY ONE who died for the sins of all mankind, our Savior & Lord Jesus Christ! His finished work once & for all includes the VERY ones who are opposing Biblical Christians at this time…
    It’s NOT about, man-made religion, man-made traditions, man-made rituals, man-made dogma * doctrine, man-made denominations and all their rules, regulations and changing their isms by the day!…BUT….it IS all about the precious gift of eternal life in and through Jesus, the Son of God, who came to save HIs people from their sins.
    May this nation…REPENT! May this nation take a 180 o turn and humble itself and seek God , while today is today!

  • JackerRaabit

    You should be very careful when dealing with WND: it is overrun with members of the Hebrew Roots cult: if you are not familiar with them, then know that they are actual ANTI-Protestants.

    IMO, the fall of America started when Protestants failed to treat Roman Catholics (also anti-Protestants) as what they ARE – as children of Satan.

    How many of them have are, no have been, influential in law, politics, commerce, etc? And you wonder why America is rotten down to its very core, why most of its children are now DAMNED?

    America is dead, because it allowed a spiritual cancer into every system of its body. Atheism, assorted cults, false religions: these all gained power because those who belonged to the Lord let children of Satan into their houses.

  • iris

    Yes, horrible. Thank God, where there’s life, there’s hope, and He can still comfort, strengthen, heal and deliver from the worst of circumstances. And it’s not what happens to us, as much as it is how we deal with it. Still, when such egregious acts are inflicted on the very young, well, even up to 15, 16 years of age… God bless.

  • Randy Rogers

    I believe this in direct violation of the First Amendment of the U S Constitution.

  • Ax2root

    Thanks AFchief…I expect Christians to WANT TO HEAR the TRUTH

  • Eevie

    Look it’s really simple. The bible says to keep the laws of god and the country you live in. You hold a public office you keep the duties of that office no matter your personal views. It is your job. Well meaning but ignorant christians are losing their jobs left and right and are bringing about bad changes for their own genre. Wise up. Fight the system another way, not from your job….before christians are barred from holding employment. Yeah, it can happen. Just look around you at our country now. Sucks doesn’t it…don’t make it worse.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly. The problem I’ve found with many theists is they fail to grasp logic and reason. How do they expect their religious freedoms to be respected while they impose their beliefs on others?It doesn’t make sense.

      The supreme court already ruled on this. Davis is in violation of the constitution. Sexual orientation does not revoke a persons constitutional rights.

      • Eevie

        Faith takes the place of logic and reason in many christians. They are taught to use faith wrongly. Personally, i’ve found faith in self works every time…… and it’s logic and reason that help instill faith in ourselves.

  • leland

    the Lord says that if the army asks you to carry for a mile, carry for
    two. He says to render unto ceasars that which is Ceasars, unto God that which is God’s. Basically to obey earthly authority. The only exception is when it comes to personal salvation. If part of the job description demands I deny Christ in front of others, well then i am out of a job, and i hope that is all. (no lions please), When a society goes off the rails, then it will ensure its destruction, and I have to adapt and hope i don’t get caught up in the destruction. So western civilization is going down. No problem. It is all prophesized as is his second coming to clean it all up. The gospel is simple. It is about
    personal salvation. Christ died for my sins, was dead in the tomb three days, rose from the tomb – according to scirpture. That is it.
    That is what I believe and what I witness to. no social commentary or position is required. The lesson from Sodom and Gomorrah is not that they were destryed because of rampant sin, it`s that the society condoned it. Empires come, empires go. jobs come, jobs go. The Lord is forever.

  • Judgment is coming

    you got to do what you got to do. perhaps we need a secession of certain states to form a more perfect union where christians are the cornerstone of the country and show them how things should be run. at some point though, christians are going to have to defend themselves so while it’s all fun and games until then by the idiot condemned, once we start defending ourselves, then they’ll see what we’re made of and the best part is they will lose everything for eternity. seems like people better get on board the winning side before it’s too late for them. you can fight your Creator all you want until the day our Creator says enough, and judgment begins using the ten commandments as the base.

  • Adam Raymond Ravenhurst

    If Davis were really principled, she would have refused to do the job, and quit, not held the equivalent of a tantrum about it.

  • Huckabee to hold rally for Kim Davis – for dummies

    Huckabee, same as all other “candidates”, is a nazi agent. Role: convince the audience that a totally rigged “election” is legit.

    Same actress plays “Kim Davis, Kentucky clerk still Refusing to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses” and “Prison Seamstress Joyce Mitchell, who pleaded guilty to helping two inmates escape”.

    How the role is scripted:

    “A swinger, a cuuckolder, married 4 times, divorced 3 times, an adulteress, a boozer, a violator of oaths, a mother of illegitimate children –she is perfect to represent the evangelicals.”

    This psyop is not about gay marriage; it is using gay marriage to achieve hidden agendas.

    Years ago the debate about gay marriage focused on a term “civil union” which has since disappeared from the vernacular. This was used to weaken the resistance of those who had a strongly held opinion about the nature of marriage. When the topic was brought back to the political fore and news cycle years later the public had been primed by this and the intervening years of propaganda from entertainment and education to more readily accept the CIA’s predetermined goal: the legalization, through the Supreme Court, of gay marriage.

    Now the CIA is creating (not using) this situation to shift public opinion so the government can pass laws against an individual’s right to conscience. They are using religion to do this.

    A slim majority of the public believes that homosexuals have the same right to marriage as heterosexuals while there is a smaller group that oppose this.

    The CIA psyop script represents the former with the homosexual and heterosexual couples that are being denied marriage licenses by a county clerk who represents the later. The leading actors and actresses in this psyop are all assets of the CIA. The country clerk is playing the role of the “heel,” a term from professional wrestling. The script for her character is written to create antipathy for the philosophy she espouses.

    Agendas

    1. Set the stage to pass new laws

    The psychological warfare division of the CIA (alias the illuminati) is softening the audience for a more direct attack on an individual’s right to follow his own conscience.

    The public is made to accept the government’s right to impose restrictions on the exercise of conscience, the qualitative step.

    Next comes the quantitative step: extend it to other issues like mandatory vaccines and sexualization of children through compulsory “sex-ed.”

    2, Paint Christians as nutjobs.

    Movies, television shows, comedy and news are used in the psyop. Furthermore, the “nutjobs” used in this depiction are CIA assets playing their scripted roles.

    This is used to create bias and direct public opinion to a state where the CIA’s goals become acceptable.

    3. Enforce the new laws

    The government will now take action to force the law of the land to be followed and the CIA, through its psyop, will move public opinion toward a belief that the government should make laws to make sure that people are unable to rebel in this way.

    end-times-reductionism.blogspot. — /2015/09/

  • Preacher62

    I appreciate your concern for my eternity but that is and will be in the hands of God. You are tragically misinformed and this misinformation is a division to the Kingdom of God and a most prideful undertaking. I dare say that if you were to actually own a real 1611 KJV Bible that you would not be able to read it unless you are well versed in Old English. I am also convinced that the one you use probably does not contain the Apocrypha as did the original 1611 KJV. If you would spend as much time in the word as you do in books which elevate your chosen version above others you would be much better off. All the versions which I use are the word of God and all say the same thing…..”deny yourself, take up your cross daily and follow me”. I go now to attempt to do that and by God’s grace that is what I will do. Maybe you should as well.

    • TEXAS RUFCUT

      Sir I saw this conversation and I must say this person Dani quoted 100 percent scripture as well as posted fact verifying links and yes we are supposed to reprove our brethren because yes we are concerned about our brethren’s eternity. Please reconsider searching out things posted. This Kim Davis Pope incident is clearly a deception by Satan on the deceived “Christian” community and they all line up like sheep going to sure slaughter in deception. I didn’t see not one thing she posted that was not of Gods word so if you feel that she is terribly misinformed then I must be too and you may want to take that up God himself since that is all we will post. Our opinions mean nothing. Only the true the infallible word of God.
      Kim Davis never gave any glory to God, She stated, “My Conscious, My freedom, my faith, my job, my community ” She was in the lime light, Not God. I see no service, glory or even mention of God, scripture or truth in anything she did or said. The apostle Paul didn’t ask for his job back, he sat in prison glorifying God claiming he was a free man in the Lord. Kim didn’t do that ? No she did not ! “And you will know them by their fruit”. Which ones are the Wheat, the pure in God, and which one are the teirs, the weeds. We are to separate from this world and all systems in it especially religion and politics. The political agenda of the pope to encourage “Christians” to fight for worldly gain rather than deny themselves and take up his (Christ) cross undermines the word of God with the( wolf in sheep’s clothing), disguise of Christianity which is nothing more than the deed of the devil himself ! What does the book of Revelation tell us? But the devil deceives THE WHOLE WORLD. How? Ministers of Light, Religion. Christianity is a false religion just like the rest of the false religions, but even more deceptive because it is a belief system using the word of God. God is not a belief system. God is not a religion. He is reality and truth. Religion is of the beast systems of this world as is politics which this story contains both to push a satanic agenda to deceive the masses. This article kept using the term “Bible Believing Christians” which is an oxy moron. Christians today do not believe nor follow what the bible, (being the infallible word of God), teaches. They do not keep the commandments of God especially the 4th to keep the 7th day Saturday Sabbath Holy, Which was changed by the Roman Ruler Constantine to Sunday, a pagan day of Sun Worship. Christians today worship BAAL. They do NOT keep all his Sabbaths and feasts. They celebrate Pagan Holly Days, like December 25th Nimrod’s day of remembrance, Ishtar Ashtoreth or Easter, A pagan day of Fertility worship. with symbolic fertility eggs and rabbits (breeds like rabbits). I will conclude with this. It is not our opinions that matter. PROVERBS 3-5 ” Lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways, acknowledge him, and he will direct your paths.” God ! Not the Pope ! God said “If you love me, you will keep my commandments”. God defines the word LOVE as Obedience to his commandments, Sabbath Laws, and ordinances which Christians today do not keep. So God is saying that they do not love him. Just because people say they are Christians, doesn’t mean they love God. It only means they have belief in God. Nor does it mean they and follow his word. You can not serve two masters. The world or the word. Everyone must choose, there is no in between and no grey area. Saying, ” I am a Christian means nothing to God” Jesus certain didn’t use that term nor teach, the good ol “Walk the Walk, and Talk the Talk but rather the high priests that taught bondage in the lord.. Jesus called those hypocrites and liars. Pretty & godly looking on the outside, but like filthy rags on the inside. You can put a pig in a pretty dress but God still sees swine. And that’s what we look like to him if we don’t keep his commandments but claim love in the lord. God asks only that we love him by keeping his commandments and in return he will protect us and be our God and we will be his people. Its that simple. No commandments = no protection. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for LACK OF KNOWLEDGE”. Hes talking about Christians, who say they love him but do not keep his commandments. They will be persecuted and destroyed because they have no protection by God. However, God keeps his promise so they will be saved from eternal death and in the last days from the face of the serpent, but saved is not salvation. Saved means if you believe upon him, even if you are deceived he will reteach them all in the Millennium rein, (next earth age). But they will not be in the wedding supper of the Lamb. They will not rein with him and be his priests in the millennium. Only the elect who keep his commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Which is what we are speaking to you now and that is what the person Dani and many more are being called to do and to witness in the last days the true gospel ignored by those so called “Christians”, which is now upon us. Many are called but few are chosen because they refused to take that call. There will be crying and gnashing their teeth in shame when the Lord comes and the deceptions are lifted and they see and realize who and what they were really serving, (Satan) I know you mean well as the rest of the “Christians” do but what is written is the only truth by God and everything this person Dani was speaking was 100 percent exact and right on the scripture by God not of her own opinion. I too had compared the various bibles. They are NOT the same I promise you ! I pray you will reconsider and maybe go through some of those links. If we really love God we will humble ourselves and seek to know his truth rather than become defensive in our pride. That’s what satin wants you to do. Don’t give in. Kim Davis and the Pope only love themselves. And that’s the truth. AMEN !

  • Preacher62

    Never asked you to reply to the first one, but I do thank God that you are finally finished.