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College Education?: Shocking New Research Proves That Our College Students Are Learning Next To Nothing

Have you ever wondered what all those college students are actually learning?  Well, according to one shocking new study, they are apparently not learning much at all.  According to very extensive research detailed in a new book entitled “Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses”, 45 percent of U.S. college students exhibit “no significant gains in learning” after two years in college.  For many Americans, a statistic like that comes as a complete shock, but for anyone that has spent much time in or around U.S. colleges lately this should not come as much of a surprise.  This new research also found that today’s students spend approximately 50% less time studying than U.S. college students did just a few decades ago.  What this research shows is what many of us have known for a long time – that the quality of college education in the United States today is a complete and total joke.

The following are a few more of the shocking results from this study….

*35% of U.S. college students spend 5 hours or less studying per week.

*50% of U.S. college students have never taken a class where they had to write more than 20 pages.

*32% of U.S. college students have never taken a class where they had to read more than 40 pages in a week.

So what in the world are all of these college students doing all day long?

Well, according to the study, U.S. college students spend 24% of their time sleeping and 51% of their time socializing.

Oh, and they spend about 7% of their time studying.

Personally, I have had the chance to spend quite a few years on college campuses.  In a previous article, I described what life is like for most “average students” enrolled in our colleges and universities today….

The vast majority of college students in America spend two to four hours a day in the classroom and maybe an hour or two outside the classroom studying.  The remainder of the time these “students” are out drinking beer, partying, chasing after sex partners, going to sporting events, playing video games, hanging out with friends, chatting on Facebook or getting into trouble.  When they say that college is the most fun that most people will ever have in their lives they mean it.  It is basically one huge party.

So with all of this free time shouldn’t all of these students be able to pass their courses and graduate on time?

Well, perhaps they should, but it just isn’t happening.

Federal statistics reveal that only 36 percent of the full-time students who began college in 2001 received a bachelor’s degree within four years.

Ouch.

All of the college educators that are reading this should be ashamed.

Not that there aren’t some really good college educators out there.  But this should be a wake up call that massive reform is needed.

Most of the “real learning” that is taking place on college campuses actually occurs in graduate programs.

Sadly, many of these graduate programs are now dominated by foreigners.

In fact, close to half of all the graduate science students enrolled at colleges and universities in the United States are now foreigners.

Something is very, very wrong.

But should we be surprised that the quality of education at our colleges and universities has gone down so much when the quality of education at every level leading up to college is also declining?

Once upon a time, the United States had the best schools in the world, but according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s Program for International Student Assessment, the United States is now just in the middle of the pack.

Have you seen our high schools lately?  In some areas they are quite good, but in many other areas large numbers of students are graduating from high school barely being able to read.

So if college is not really about “education” these days, then what is it really all about?

Well, it is about making huge amounts of money.

College tuition continues to spiral out of control.  Since 1982, the cost of medical care in the United States has gone up over 200%, which is horrific, but that is nothing compared to the cost of college tuition which has gone up by more than 400%.

To point out how ridiculous tuition bills have become, one college student named Nic Ramos recently packed a 33-pound duffle bag full of $1 bills and used it to pay his college tuition for one semester.  Needless to say, $14,300 in one dollar bills was not easy to put together.  Just check out the video posted below….

Unfortunately, money does not grow on trees, so these massive tuition bills are leaving many of our young people with huge debt loads as they graduate from college.

On average, college students that graduated in 2009 left school with an average of $24,000 in student loan debt.  In fact, approximately two-thirds of all college students in the United States now graduate with student loans.

So is it all worth it?

Well, it depends who you ask.

Many of our new college graduates are having a really hard time finding jobs.

According to the Project on Student Debt, unemployment for new college graduates stood at 8.7 percent in 2009, which was way up from 5.8 percent in 2008.

But even those that do find jobs are being forced to take jobs that they don’t even need college educations for.  The “underemployment rate” among college students has risen dramatically in recent years.

In 1992, there were 5.1 million “underemployed” college graduates in the United States.  In 2008, there were 17 million “underemployed” college graduates in the United States.

Many of our brightest young minds are now flipping burgers or are welcoming people to Wal-Mart.

In fact, in the United States today 317,000 waiters and waitresses have college degrees.

Meanwhile, a lot of these young Americans are absolutely drowning in debt.  Americans now owe more than $875 billion on student loans, which is more than the total amount that Americans owe on their credit cards.

So how are these young people making it?

Well, they are moving back in with Mommy and Daddy of course.

According to a recent survey by Twentysomething Inc., a staggering 85 percent of college seniors planned to move back home after graduation last May.

What a great “education” system we have, eh?

So what do you think about the state of college education in the United States today?  Please feel free to leave a comment with your opinion below….

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  • Billy-Bob Garcia

    I remember 20 years ago in college wondering what the guys studying sociology, archaeology, english literature, french, etc. were going to do to actually pay for their loans.

  • mondobeyondo

    A college education, generally speaking, teaches you very well about how shrimp breed. It does nothing for advising you how to make a better life for yourself and your children.

  • Gary2

    We need to tax the rich more to help pay for these increasingly worthless educations.

  • Greg

    I graduated in 2009 completing my BA in 4 years. Most of my friends did it in 5 or 6. The job market is hard to get into while I had success within mine but because mine is from job to job due to my career path I am in a unemployment slump right now. The article sums up everything correctly at my college where the class load was weak and studying was a joke. Many classes were so easy to pass that just going to class and not doing the readings or studying is pointless. I did learn many things with my degree but with other classes it felt that it was dumb down and the professors hardly tried.

  • bryant

    “Federal statistics reveal that only 36 percent of the full-time students who began college in 2001 received a bachelor’s degree within four years.”

    Took me 4.5 to get my Bachelors in Finance…

  • Guido

    Of course college is worthless-they’ve been pushing under-educated poor performers into college for years to balance the racial and gender makeup, regardless of ability or grades.

    Now, would college be so expensive if government loans didn’t pay for it? If people had to pay out of pocket, perhaps college would be cheaper. In my personal experience, college wasted a lot of time and money. For instance, I was required to take a “intro seminar” my first semester that would “teach me how to be a college student.” This class ended up being a massive waste of time. First, it was all other freshmen. Second, the idiot prof was using us to test his thesis work, a study of how to teach 7th graders PC garbage about the rainforest and tribal cultures. We did 7th grade-level work for class and homework. It was humiliating. And there were the other wasted classes of the liberal arts requirements, like taking Art 101 or Geo 101, better known as “Rocks for Jocks.” We all knew many class hours were a waste of time. And there was the Student Activity Fund, a fund levied up front of several thousand dollars that all on-campus students were required to pay, regardless of their interest in student activites. You couldn’t get off-campus until 3rd year, so you were locked into this and other funds, including rent at mandatory dorm halls. It was all one big cash removal operation.

  • Curtis

    I enjoyed this article. As a college instructor, I can say things are bad.
    Most students are woefully unprepared when they start college. This includes the basics – such as having college-level reading skills – as well as more advanced skills that were taken for granted decades ago – such as knowing Latin.
    Students also leave college unprepared. The library at my university has the following names written on its facade: Aristotle, Augustine, Descartes, Newton, Kant, Franklin, Darwin, Plato, Dante, Geothe, Shakespeare. Students are lucky to have read more than maybe two of these authors in their “education”. Many students have no interest in the liberal arts and would do better to study a trade. And many students have a sense of entitlement that they deserve an A because of their “hard work.”
    Reform would entail abolishing public schools, promoting homeschooling and individualized instruction learning environments, being more selective about the students admitted to college (and not based on SAT scores), promoting self-motivated learning, and giving up on the idea that someone needs a degree for jobs that frankly do not require a degree.

  • Jack Nichols

    I went to collage in the 70′s and got a BS in business. It didn’t help much because I could make more money as a Carpenter. I am a retired building inspector now with a pension. I wasted all those years in collage, If I had started 4 years earlier I would have a bigger pension now. Now any moron can get a degree, but they can’t find a job. Mechanics make more than graduates. I was building an apartment house in Irvine in 89 and a tenured collage Phd professor that had written books wanted me to hire him as a laborer (because we offered more money than UC Irvine)…he was over qualified I ended up hiring a immigrant from El Salvador that didn’t ask a bunch of questions just worked hard.

  • William

    When I was graduated from high school in 1965, those in the college prep curriculum had to be able to read, write and speak excellent English. They had to have taken a hard science (physics or chemistry), and three years of math(Algebra I and II and Geometry). They also had to have two years of a foreign language. From English literature to European history, a high school grad of those days had to be KNOWLEDGEABLE of many things. There was NO social promotion. I’ll bet the average, but good, high school graduate of those days is more KNOWLEDGEABLE than 90% of college juniors of today. Yes, I went on to college and grad school. The big difference in those days was centered on DISCIPLINE and good teachers. Since the start of the first Clinton administration in Jan 1993, federal funding for education has exploded, with poor results. The “education” lobby and unions have ruined public education in America. And, now, the cost of a Bachelors degree has skyrocketed while the value of the poor education it provides has declined, except for the very best schools, like Vandy or Duke or Stanford.

  • bobinsherwood

    It is all symptomatic of the “everyone is special” era. The first signs began in the 60′s and 70′s when such innovations as “grading on the curve” and “multiple choice testing” became commonplace.
    Many of my instructors in those days would complain of the decline in educational standards and the rise of shortcuts such as Cliff’s Notes, Barrons Study Guides, even the SATs were becoming obsolete as a true measure of (Scholastic Aptitude”.
    There were even younger instructors who counseled us against doing too well on tests being graded on “the curve” lest we upset the balance of the other classmates grades!!!
    The most absurd test I ever took was a mid-term exam consisting of 50 true/false questions that you could have passed with your eyes closed.
    What a joke.

  • Frank

    Dumbed down colleges and overpaid professors, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our right:
    They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
    They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.
    They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
    They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
    Impeach Obama and sweep out the Congress, except Ron Paul.
    (Last link of Banned Book):
    http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526

  • William

    I agree with William. It used to be, you couldn’t get into college without knowing math, a foreign language, and some science.

    I’m a college mathematics professor now, and my students know practically nothing. Even the majority of my calculus students, after taking 12 hours of “college” mathematics course with less content than math courses I took in high school, still believe 1/2 + 1/3 = 2/5.

    When I went to college, calculus was the FIRST course you take…now it’s the last, and I barely cover the material I covered twenty years ago.

  • Helen

    College admissions in 1968 were already tipping towards “social skills and community work,” rather than academics. I came from a single parent household on the wrong side of the tracks. I needed a scholarship for university. I had straight A’s, 4 yrs. of Latin, 4 yrs. of French, Geometry plus 2 yrs. of Algebra, Chemistry, 4 yrs. History, 4 yrs. Advanced College Prep English, plus Advanced Placement College Credits for my 3rd yr. summer studies at UCSB. Scored 789 Verbal SAT & 589 Math SAT. But no scholarship for me. So I took the bus for an hour to commute to UCLA for idiotic classes, including a Physics class with 90 students graded ‘on a curve’, and a Cultural Geography class explaining why farmers in the Third World fertilized with excrement. I dropped out and went to work. I would have liked to go to Wellesley or Georgetown, but I was a loner, and could have cared less about ‘Student Government,’ ‘Sports,’ or ‘Clubs. It still hurts.

  • William

    I recently went back to a community college, that had a CNC technical program. I spent 8 months going full time before I ran out of $$$ and had to quit. By the grace of God, I finally got a job in the field I was studying for. It is a temp to hire, and is an entry level machine operating job, which I am very grateful for….anyhow. What I am doing is basically what the school was supposedly training us to do. The school progaram was rushed and I was not the only one that felt we were being rushed along. Also, we had too much acedemic class time on subjects that were not revelant to what we needed to actually be able to perform what is expected in the real world. Many of the classes would be great for engineers, quality engineers, drafters, programers, etc. I am glad I got the info, but my supervisor at work said that it was a waste of time for the job that I am doing, and that those classes would be better for continuing ed for someone who wants to get a degree and put the white collar on.

    So, although I am glad I got some exposure to the field, the curriculum was not focused at all, and on top of all of that, the instructor for the CNC, ( the most important part) was a nice Vietamese guy who no one could understand at all due to his accent. Nothing against him, ( my wife is an immigrant), but what incompetance on the schools part to have someone with this language barrier teaching the most vital class in the whole program???

  • Paul

    Not a big surprise at all. I enrolled my daughter in a school overseas where the school work ethic is still a priority. Who would have guessed.? She loves the school and is excelling. The US has been creating a generation of useless, lazy, brain dead, easily manipulated youngsters who are not willing to make the sacrifices, or put in the hard work to achieve their goals. Like you mentioned they spend most of their time playing video games, socializing or smoking pot thinking they are actually expanding their minds and contributing their greatness to society. They just want it to be given to them, like the older generations owes them something. It’s obvious that a college education does not prepare anyone for the real world..that is a preparation that the individual must make. Don’t take the easy road, be willing to actually work hard, and maybe sweat a little bit at something that doesn’t involve sports. If you want to excel, get out of the herd mentality and be different…show us what you got..!!!

  • A Dodgy Bloke

    I’m starting to view collage as a waste of time, now with kids graduating with eye watering debt it makes less sense. My advice is learn something useful carpentry, some aspect of food production building something wit your hands. That is going to be much useful than a degree in French, or Art.

  • http://prattleonboyo.wordpress.com Peyton Farquhar

    Along with the textbook industry, education has a been a racket for the past 25 years. It’s not about learning as much as it is simply a way for faculty to get paid a bloated salary/bennies/pension. College grads = $0.02/10 doz. It guarantees absolutely nothing but debt slavery since all the good paying jobs in the U.S. have been outsourced to 3rd world shit holes.

  • Terri

    My son just entered college this fall. I was told that my son should take out “extra loans” provided from the college for extra spending money. Of course I declined. Also the professors at this college told me that the students didn’t need to take notes during class because it was all provided to them from the professor. I completely understood what a money making institution this was when I spent hours on campus trying to convince my son to ” stick out college”. My son convinced me that it was nothing but one big beer and drug party. Trying to cancel his Spring classes was more difficult than a tax return. See they make you register for the whole year and if you don’t cancel each department separately than you get billed for it. Such as dorm fees, tuition, meal plans, ect. Oh they sure are making a killing on these naive kids entering college!

  • jamie5

    We have changed as a society. Kids just don’t study, they don’t read, they don’t have interest in academics at all. Their interests lie in video games, television shows, texting on iphones, and generally doing absolutely nothing physical beyond getting up to go to the refrigerator between video games. People are just different now. They are, well, dumber and lacking in intellectual curiosity. This is not going to change. It’s going to get worse. Look at an 8th grade final exam from the turn of the 20th century (1900). Oh..my…gosh…the questions are college level today. In fact, they appeared far more mature and intellectually challenging than anything kids see in undergrad courses. It’s astonishing what in depth, essay questions were being asked. We are by far less skilled verbally and mathematically than those kids were in their day.

  • brumpfschmlog

    Where’s the leadership? Where are the highly intelligent, highly educated college administrators who should be preaching hard work and excellence with the greatest zeal and fervor?
    There’s no leadership in politics either. It’s our whole culture. Someone’s been drilling holes in the hull of the ship.

  • miner_tom

    I am quite disappointed. Having graduated in 1982 with a B.S. in Electronics Engineering, I missed out on all of that partying and socializing. Truthfully, I suspected something was wrong with the educational system when I started hearing about spending Spring Breaks in Cancun. I could not imagine having done that. Spring break was 7 full days of lab-work and study to catch up for the next “round”. 5 hours or less studying per week?? I used to study more than that each day, and that still was not enough.
    By the way, has anyone interviewed a recent college grad? I have done it many times. It is always depressing.

  • MeepZorp

    Well lets see. I joined the Air Force right out of high school and was in their Avionics (Electronics) program. After the Air force I worked in a mine in Arizona, fixed cash registers, mowed lawns, installed insulation, painted, etc. and then moved back north and landed a job working on Nuclear Particle Accelerators (lucky break maybe but kept a positive attitude throughout). I took maybe one class in college and it was for drafting and only because I wanted to. I learned as much as I could free of charge because I “wanted” to learn and it was noticed. Now after so many years (say 30 to round it out) I am called a Nuclear (No it’s not nucular) engineer and I make 6 figures but chose to work only part time and make about half the money now but have more freedom in my life. My point is that you can be anything you want to be if you know what it is and “on the job training” is worth more than any college degree. My son works in sheet metal and makes more than I do. Go figure. The trades are the best buck for the least amount of college. I still don’t have a degree but am considered valuable through experience. Learn as much as you can, be proactive, don’t expect life to be handed to you on a silver platter and you will do fine. Pieces of paper don’t define who you really are unless you believe that they do. Job recruiters really laugh at those pieces of paper. They are like US dollars and not worth the paper they are printed on. Experience counts more than party time at college. To me college is a waste of money. The only thing I missed was maybe the hot girls at Spring break. My opinion.

  • el jefe

    those college students should, instead, major in history and philosophy. for my undergrad, at a state university, i received a double major in history and philosophy. i was assigned–and read–about 200 pages a week, i was required to write anywhere between 10-20 pages–depending on the assignment–for philosophy. for history, the demands were about 20 pages, BUT due to the demands of research and substantiating a history thesis, the papers would usually come to be about 25-30 pages (not including bibliography). the problem isn’t college. the issue rests with the fact that most students take the easy way out, by majoring in pathetic degrees–such as business or communications. even the political science department has serious issues. i once took an elective in political science (graduate level) and the students were “complaining,” or were “stressed,” about having to write a 5-10 page paper–and with having to read more than 100 pages a week. students who study reading, and writing, intensive subjects will get the most out of their educations. what pisses me off, in terms of my bachelor’s degree, is that i am judged in the same light as those morons who did absolutely nothing for 4 years–and received a business or communications degree.

    thanks for letting me vent.

  • BlackBall

    It seems we keep extending the never ending lies about how important a college education is when we cannot employ 95% of the graduating class every year. We got rid of trade schools in favor of high tech jobs, and MBA jobs the laughing stock of the educational system, there are more Tech’s and MBA’s floating around then pipe fitters and journeyman electricians. Kindergarten to Harvard and to the soup kitchen for lunch or live with mom and dad until you put them in the grave. Less adult education and more youth education, well they keep coming out of the high schools ill prepared for college as much as they are prepared for the fact there are no jobs in America Duh, 39,000,000,000 people still out of work and it keeps rising like a flood tide in San Francisco Bay. Local, State and Federal Governments get a clue we are producing illiterate graduates that are only good for the military as canon fodder. Wake up Sara Palin it is your red blooded America that is dying in the gutters of America Job Less!

  • Cyk

    Remember the movie “Idiocracy”?

    Wasn’t a dystopia.

    Recent research showed that the fall of
    the roman empire was at least partly caused
    by lead poisoning, as was the degeneration
    of the Samurai.

    Maybe the fall of the US is caused by junk
    food?

  • http://www.studentloanresistanceofamerica.com FrankyFreelance

    Interesting comments everyone!

    Personally, I have had the opportunity to experience the college/university system from the bottom to the top – from community college to Ivy League.

    I can tell you from experience that the b.s. just gets thicker the further up the ladder you go. My experience in the Ivy League system was nothing short of disturbing.

    The cancerous intellectual rot which is plaguing American society can be seen at its worst in the Ivy league. The PC propaganda, covert political leanings of the university and/or individual professors, lack of common sense and free thinking of the students is baffling.

    I think that in the internet era we no longer need higher education – unless you want to get a professional degree or one which requires the use of machines you can’t afford access to on your own.

    Otherwise, I am a strong believer in the library card and internet access.

    Higher education at this point is only going to rob you of your money and ability to think for yourself.

    JOIN THE RESISTANCE!
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  • Black Grad

    I graduated from a HBCU (Historically Black College/University)and this author should do a seperate article on HBCU’s because they are in a whole other catagory of how students learn NOTHING and leave with HUGE loans. Most HBCU’s are private schools that are very expensive and many students who attend come from low income families so huge loans are very common at black schools. Also, many of the students who enroll at black schools graduate from some of the worst high schools in terms of academics. To make matters even worse, some black schools and mine especially will admit students who are academically still in middle school and try to formulate the curriculum to another 2 years of high school. I have spoken to a number of faculty about this practice and basically the idea is to lock them in school for hopefully 5-6+ years so they can collect the tuition from the huge loans. To highlighte academics, The course work is kept to a minimum and dumbed down because there is a “different type of student” at black schools. I will admit, I graduated with a very low 2 area GPA out of HS (not because I was dumb, but because I was a rebel with out a cause) But I stepped up my game in college and will be graduating with above a 3. My major may possibly be the only real college level social scienc or liberal art at the entire school. I had to read atleast 60+ pages per class per week, and typed at least 12-15 pages a week. But the school as a whole is piss poor and I hate to admit it because I love the history and original purpose of HBCU’s but they are leving kids unable to compete and drowning in debt. thankfuly I will be bewlow the national average for debt by half but I am scared my degree will be laughed at when I attempt to get a job/apply for grad school.

  • Thatwasabus

    I spent 3.5 years in College, no scholarships after DoDMERB yanked it for medical issues from when I was 7, that were told would not ever be considered. After those 3.5 years, I pulled out due to the massive expensive of out of state tuition and went to work, opting instead to hit up the online coursework. Another 2 years later, managed to get a B.S. in Aerospace Engineering, and get some work drafting plans for aircraft and a few module style submersibles. One of the projects was modified after leaving my table and never received approval, but my name on the paper ensured that I took the fall. Now, I work for the cable company, doing technical support. My biggest laugh is that person claiming to be an engineer that can’t figure out an electronic device needs a power source. I wouldn’t care about 1/2 + 1/3 = 5/6 so much as the larger troubles of basic common sense. Even the Amish know such a simple detail. (But it’s wireless)

    Lately, though, I’ve realized just how thankful I am that I became the fall guy so long ago. Especially with the current President starting to try and downsize the Research & Development industry. I’m sorry, guys. I honestly thought McCain was going to have a heart attack, and that Palin was an even worse choice. Oh wait, we still use the Electoral College…..

    I gots me a high school diploma (and still didn’t learn proper grammar. The problems of social promotion, most of the victims lack the education to read this thread anyway.)

  • Mike

    I find it interesting that an article attacking the quality of education in our universities constantly makes a common grammatical mistake throughout the article.

    It is not, “the people that graduate.”, it is “the people WHO graduate.” People are not “objects”.

    Mind you I am not an English teacher but my father is. I make mistakes often enough but my father expected me to reach to become better. It is a shame people accept poor quality and are suprised when they continue receiving poor quality.

    As far as the results are concerned. People will always receive and equal amount to what they put in. Many are being robbed but those who put forth the effort will be rewarded in kind.

    Some people complain about how others always blame someone else for a particular problem. Isn’t this the same. Quit blaming the eduction system and take responsibility for your own actions and do the work.

  • Deborh

    Next to Nothing compared to our globalized competitors at TWICE the Cost. The Liberal DemoRATs FAILED Academia and our society while they Filled their Pockets

  • mondobeyondo

    Maybe I would have gotten a better education in Oxford in the U.K., or at the Sorbonne in Paris, instead of Harvard in the U.S.

    (p.s. I didn’t attend Harvard. Very few Americans can. It’s kind of a “pricey” school…)

  • Titi

    College was dumbed down so chimps and Mexicans can get a degree. A good example is West Point with the special minority preparation program.

  • http://www.pathtoasia.com rhea

    It’s important to train and re-train educators since it enhances and sharpen their skills as an educator. But come to think of it, every year, more graduates are being sent out into the real world and a lot more numbers to add to unemployment rate…

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  • Chelsea Milligan

    I’m currently attending the University of Tennessee, and despite my previous apprehensions of attending a former top party school, I was fairly impressed by the education I have been obtaining thus far. I’m a very serious student and I don’t party really and I believe that makes all the difference. These statistics in my opinion have no reflection on our institutions themselves, but on the ambitions of the students. College is all about independence and its not the university’s job to spoon-feed its students in making sure they’re prepared, thats the students responsibility to gain that higher-level thinking.

  • Alo

    -Scientific and religious suppression of knowledge.
    -Capitalism.
    -Central Banking.

    Roots of stunted progress? I observe a paradox..

    Dig, deeper.

  • http://www.planorperish.com Gutter Economist

    These same college educators are giving advice to our politicians.

    Our politicians have not learned anything either.

    The White House is the most expensive training school in the world and has bankrupt the USA.

  • dancingeagle

    and the band played on………

  • mondobeyondo

    Frankley, I Lerned a lot in Skuhl and Collage.

    For Exampel, how to Dait Hot Yung Collage Chiks acros the Dorm Rumm.

    Weed Go Out, and get Drunck, on lots of Jak Danels, on the Weakendz.

    And then on Munday, go to Claz, and listn 2 D Profesur talk bout Algibra and Such As.

    Nevr could Understand those Therims. Like that Pythhagoras type Greek Dude.

    My Counslor said I should trie maybey a Medical Carr’r. Maiby She was rite.

  • Mike

    If college is’t providing the benefits it once was, then what’s the solution?

  • Steven Ben

    No wonder our kids are brainless. You have commie teachers who are burned out rejects from the sixties and seventies teaching them. They hate this country and anything that stands for good and right. They need to be flogged and run out of the country. People need to stand up to these thugs and turn it around. Our children are at stake and the future of our country. When did insanity take over these schools? Stand up and kick these nuts out of teaching. They have their hidden agenda taken right out of the Communist Manifesto and people are lying down for it. Get some guts and morality and get rid of the treasonist.

  • James

    Well in my situation, the employers in my field require a BS degree to go out into parks and fix things, empty trash cans, drive a farm tractor, Etc. all could be done by someone with a trade level education or an Associates degree. I tried to get those jobs with my farm mechanics training and an Associates degree in Park Maintenance but they wanted people with BS degrees in Natural Resources. These people don’t even know how to start and drive a tractor, or run a chainsaw when they get out, and expect us with Associates degrees to teach them how. They can’t do carpentry, plumbing, electrical, or any other trades to be able to maintain and repair park facilities. These people often become our bosses after they serve an apprentice under us, those who actually know how to do the jobs. Where is the logic in this?

  • Tahoe

    Many Euroland/BRIC countries either require vocational training [2 yrs in Germany] or the kids learn trades from family owned business. Now look at the U.S. Any questions?…..

  • NJmom77

    We’re letting our kids take their time approaching college, urging them to take semesters off to travel and work, not letting them squander their college funds before they grow up a little. Sticking to community college for now, until their majors are set. Accumulating a huge amount of debt for an uncertain career path is stupid. You can learn much outside of a college campus, and I’ve met degree holders in the course of my work who are shockingly ignorant in history and science, and who write badly. I’d want my money’s worth.

  • Faith

    As a parent who is now strapped with over $20,000 in student loans for my young adult. Has attended two different schools in 4 years and still cannot get a loan for his 2nd year of culinary arts. I am grateful that he has a job in the field of his choosing. I found some apprenticeship programs that might be the way to go. His education has not put me at 98% of my credit worthyless. I have no house or car. Gee I remember when College was around $3000 or least a year to attend.

  • Brandon

    We are witnessing the great fall of the Western world. Societal structures, education systems, financial institutions; they’re all crumbling. And it must. Its all outdated and corrupt. Driven by money; for the love of it is the root of all evil.

  • james

    yea …. i been to college. the minute i walked in i knew i wasnt going to be in their for long…tuition was out of control and it didnt make sense paying a private university for something i already learned in public high school….LOL .i was equip for life after the 8-9th grade! My mom forced me to go bac my 2nd yr.. but my 3rd yr ..didnt go back i had enough of the nonsense. most students graduate with a degree that is outdated by the time they get their diploma. it just didnt make sense.

  • niki

    Ok titi those “chimps n mexicans” at west point are the one’s going to fight for your country so whats it matter if they have their own program atleast their doing somthing in their life, they could be at home like the rest of the world with food stamps n welfare.

  • steppenwolfsayshi

    Since the largest colleges in the US are online diploma mills like the University of Phoenix or the University of Walden, which I see advertised below this post BTW, I’m not surprised by the finding. I’m not sure if this study speaks much about the quality of our traditional universities. I graduated in 2008 from an elite state school and spent about 10 hours a week studying (I had severe migraines in my college so I couldn’t study more. Most students in hard majors study more than this, though you can’t guess what is a hard major and what isn’t, BTW. The science/ non-science dichotomy is stupid. Biology is a lot easier than Chinese, but not than Farsi at my school for example), all of my non science or math classes required a paper of about 15-30 pages and readings of easily 100 pages a week. A good college degree is only worth less today than a few decades ago because there are fewer jobs. Graduates from top schools have worked harder from younger ages than previous generations to go to those schools. They compete for internships and the best study abroad programs and the highest positions of authority in student groups. They aren’t boozing it up all day when they aren’t studying.

  • steppenwolfsayshi

    @ el jefe

    I completely agree!

    My degree is actually in communications, but it is in modern rhetoric, which is a much more difficult concentration than the normal communications degrees. Communications degrees are very common like political science and psychology because they are interesting and easy. The rhetoric concentration at my school was very small, only about 50 people, and the other communications majors thought I was crazy for taking such hard classes.

    Most people don’t know much about rhetoric and it has many uses. I work in health marketing. Marketing and PR was invented by a rhetorical theorist named Edward Bernays. I also took classes in our business school, which as you said are dumbed down. The teachers were worried because I didn’t have the prereqs for the upper-level classes, but I beat the pants off the other students. My marketing teacher in the business school recommended me for my current job.

    I suggest that businesses should consider history and philosophy majors much more seriously, because they are much better educated and usually smarter. Most employers will find they have to train an entry-level employee anyway.

  • steppenwolfsayshi

    Sorry for posting so many times. I considered that Edward Bernays is likely known by many as a propagandist of sorts. That’s a misunderstanding that would be difficult to explain, but since modern rhetoric doesn’t differentiate between good or bad forms of persuasion, it rather uses a very strong ethics code for the use of persuasive arts. Unfortunately, the ethics are not taught in our business schools which spoon feed his theories and then the theorist gets blamed. Modern rhetoric was invented to study and protect the US against Nazi and Soviet propaganda.

  • cgeary2

    My son worked his butt off in computer science. It wasn’t an easy major. He graduated cum laud & was contacted by IBM 3 months before he was to graduate, asking him to work for them after he graduated. Then Nov 2008 hit, 2 months before his graduation. IBM rescinded their offer. He was unemployed for 1.5 years, could only find a menial job for $10.00/hour, and that’s where he is now. He learned a lot in school, but now he’s learned the most important lesson of all… a degree doesn’t mean the world will beat a path to your door, and life is really unfair.

  • Bob

    You all sound very uninformed and silly thinking things were sooo much better back in the day. I graduated highschool having taken physics; chem; 4 yrs of french; algebra I and II; geometry; stats; calculus I, II and III; bio I and II; and Eur, amer, world hist. Most of my classmates were about the same.

    The truth is the avg college student is probably smarter than the current avg college prof in general subjects. This is because most prof are old and had general education way back when. It’s okay if you want to live in the past, but most of you sound extremely ignorant.

  • Franklin

    Much of what the commenters say just flat out isn’t true. I’m digusted with myself for reading this site, I won’t return. Guys, stop spending so much time on the internet and go be productive. Complaining doesn’t solve anything.

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