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War Peace - Public DomainChristianity is under attack from a thousand different directions all at once, and yet many believers have turned their guns on one another.  This war among Christians seems to intensify with each passing year, and believers are often fighting for some of the stupidest reasons you can possibly imagine.  Meanwhile, people are leaving our churches in droves and church attendance is way down.  This is especially true of younger Americans.  According to an incredible new report that was just released by the Pew Research Center, only 27 percent of all Millennials (U.S. adults born since 1990) attend religious services on a weekly basis.  When you go into many churches in America on Sunday mornings, all you see are “the greys”, and I am not talking about space aliens.  But instead of focusing on fixing what has gone wrong, many Christians (including a number of very prominent ministers) spend most of their energy savagely attacking their brothers and sisters in Christ.  This is absolutely disgraceful and it needs to stop.

America is on the exact same path to secularization that Europe has already gone down.  The Pew Research Center discovered that the percentage of Americans who are “absolutely certain” that God exists declined from 71 percent in 2007 to 63 percent in 2014.  Meanwhile, the percentage of those that are “religiously unaffiliated” rose from 16 percent in 2007 to 23 percent today.

Atheism, agnosticism and other religions are on the rise in America, and Christianity is in decline.  And as I noted above, this is particularly true among our young people.  Here are some more numbers from an excerpt that I pulled directly out of the Pew report

Millennials – especially the youngest Millennials, who have entered adulthood since the first Landscape Study was conducted – are far less religious than their elders. For example, only 27% of Millennials say they attend religious services on a weekly basis, compared with 51% of adults in the Silent generation. Four-in-ten of the youngest Millennials say they pray every day, compared with six-in-ten Baby Boomers and two-thirds of members of the Silent generation. Only about half of Millennials say they believe in God with absolute certainty, compared with seven-in-ten Americans in the Silent and Baby Boom cohorts. And only about four-in-ten Millennials say religion is very important in their lives, compared with more than half in the older generational cohorts.

It has been projected that if current trends continue, the percentage of Americans attending church in 2050 will be about half of what it is today.

So those that are supposedly “leading the church” in America today need to wake up.  What you are doing is not working.  This nation is falling away from God, but many of you are spending much of your time and energy attacking one another.

Another thing that should deeply, deeply alarm Christian leaders is the fact that a large percentage of “believers” do not even seem to grasp the essential basics of the Christian faith.  I am talking about things like who God is, the plan of salvation and the authority of the Bible.  Here is more from Pew’s new report

Among Christians, two-thirds say many religions can lead to eternal life, and most of them (50% of all Christians) say some non-Christian religions can lead to life everlasting. The view that some non-Christian faiths can lead to eternal life is held by roughly two-thirds of Catholics (68%) and mainline Protestants (65%), as well as 59% of Orthodox Christians. Fewer members of the historically black Protestant tradition (38%), evangelical Protestants (31%) and Mormons (31%) say some non-Christian religions can lead to salvation. Just 5% of Jehovah’s Witnesses say some non-Christian faiths can lead to eternal life.

If other religions can lead to eternal life, then why did Jesus have to die on the cross?  Why couldn’t He have just come down and pointed us in the direction of all those other faiths?  Many Christians don’t seem to understand that Jesus had to die for us on the cross because there is no other payment for our sins.  He took the penalty that we deserved, and now He offers us a new life as a free gift.

Without Him, we would have absolutely no hope and no future.  But because of Him, our sins are forgiven and we have been given eternal life.

But a very large percentage of believers does not understand this.  Sadly, many Christians seem to think that you can believe whatever you want and it will all be okay in the end.

So as you can see, the church in America today is a mess.  As a Christian myself, this pains me greatly.

But instead of working to fix the problems and praying for revival, many believers seem to take glee in tearing down their fellow Christians.

One of the bad things about the anonymity of the Internet is that it gives people an opportunity to show what is really in their hearts.  And in many cases, what comes out of the hearts of many supposed “Christians” is absolutely frightening.

If you venture into places where believers hang out on Facebook, on Twitter, on YouTube and on various Christian websites all over the Internet, you will find some of the most vile things imaginable being said about specific individuals.

I have seen Christians use curse words to describe one another, and good, solid believers that I know personally have been called “whores”, “heretics” and “scumbags” just to give you a few examples.  There are even some “Christians” that publicly wish for their brothers and sisters in Christ to die and go to hell.

This kind of thing should not be happening.  In Matthew chapter 22, Jesus gave us instructions about how we are to treat one another…

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

On my websites I talk about some very hard things, but you will notice that I don’t attack specific individuals that are on the same side as me.  In this day and age, it is imperative that we all figure out who our friends are.  None of us are ever going to agree 100 percent on everything, and that is okay.

Yes, sometimes there are things that need to be addressed, but the vast majority of times they can be taken care of privately.  I have had some very honest discussions with people that are on the same side as me in private, but I would never air that stuff publicly.

If we are going to make it through what is coming, we have got to learn how to love one another.  And we have got to stop viciously attacking one another over stupid stuff.  Yes, there are some things that are so important that they must never be compromised on, but most of the attacks that I see happening are over very petty things.

And without a doubt, there are times when it become necessary to rebuke someone.  But when at all possible it should be done in private, and it should always be done in a spirit of love.

Because in the end, if we do not have love, we are nothing.  You can have all of the “knowledge” in the world, and you can go around correcting everyone else, but if you are lacking in love you are just a baby.

This is a hard lesson that I had to learn, and hopefully what I have written here will be helpful for someone.

This war among Christians needs to stop.  Our faith is under attack like never before, and we desperately need to learn how to start working together.

At some point, hopefully we will begin to actually live the words of our Savior in John chapter 13…

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

  • John Noyb

    Michael – unfortunately many pastors have gotten away from actually teaching through the Bible and have gone to “tickling the ears” messages that have greatly watered down the WORD. They have become more interested in not offending people – never wanting people to come under conviction from what the Bible declares. They want people to be entertained rather than taught. What we are seeing is a result of people seldom, if ever, being discipled anymore and as a result, don’t know what it means to live as a true follower of Christ. Likely, many young people haven’t seen Godly examples from thier parents and others they have looked up to growing up. Sadly, the hearts of men are growing colder and colder.

    • iris

      Agreed. A Bible study teacher I know has repeatedly said, (she has a seminary degree), we are “under the text”. We don’t get to cherry pick (isogesis) God’s words to suit our own wills or re-interpretations. It speaks for itself. Yes, any translation from one language to another will necessarily involve a degree of interpretation, and Bible scholars sometimes disagree about the exact meaning of specific words, but if we look at the passages in context, compare words and passages to other areas of Scripture, the original gist is usually very clear, even when comparing differing literal translations.

  • jif

    “27% of Millennials say they attend religious services on a weekly basis”
    Probably because their parents force them to.

    • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

      yeah….Christianity is very rigid while I’m a cool guy…It does not fit my Vibe…I just do Yoga and I’m content.

      • jif

        When I was a child I had to go to church every Sunday morning, every Sunday night and on Wednesdays when my mom went. It definitely cut into my sleep and I was often tired at school on Mondays. Additionally there was devotions every non-church night which could last 10-30 minutes.
        There was usually no consideration for my getting a full nights sleep for the day at school or work early in the morning.

        This thoughtless parenting continued until I moved out.

        • sharon oliveria

          Now the choice is yours to serve Jesus or sleep with Satan, the time is short things are wrapping up fast, because you were made to go to church did not make you born again unless you made that choice, going to church does not make you a Saved Christian , repenting & accepting Jesus the only way, with a true heart given to Jesus & walk in His ways.

          • jif

            I can’t afford to pay 10% tithes right now so why even try?

          • iris

            It’s good to tithe, jif, but God cares a lot more about you than your money. (: He doesn’t need our money, of course, but He does use our giving and when given from a cheerful heart, however small the amount might be, He’s faithful to bless us. I’ve found that the best blessings are spiritual and emotional ones, not financial.

          • sharon oliveria

            Dear one you don’t have to join a church to receive Jesus, We are the church to join together with believer’s they don’t ask money from you .

      • Cup Lup

        I’m out to destroy the devil rite now.

        • algol2000

          That is impossible. He is the wisest being that God ever created. Even an angel from heaven had to get the help of Gabriel in order to get him out of his way so that he can deliver the message to Daniel. Only Christ can defeat him, but we can resist him.

      • sharon oliveria

        Lavista4U, I say this in love, there will come a time you will care if you have not repented & Accepted Jesus, Yoga can not fill your soul or save it, when the time comes will you be going to heaven or Hell with Satan or Jesus to spent the rest of forever with?

  • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

    I’m a Christian myself, however, my Vibe and Emotions does not match with Christian preaching. Christianity is very rigid, it tries to fit every human into a single scale.

    While vedic teaching …fits every character on earth.

    I can just do Yoga which has become popular and be content and free or you could just do chanting/Mantra’s and you are free….or even if that’s difficult, you could just help another human being by way of charity.

    There are no rules in Vedic religions. You just follow your Vibe.

    Also, I’m ok if you are Christian. Just Chill…If you really believe in Christ…He will know whats going on. There is a reason why people don’t go to mass anymore. Why force people to go to Church and brand them morally corrupt if they don’t follow Christ.

    • Dave

      So if my vibe says “go kill innocent people” I should “cuz it’s my vibe.” Cut me some slack.
      New Age?

      God help us…

      • Semper Fortis

        according to the bible, we can have multiple wives, and are allowed to beat our slaves, as long as we dont take it too far.

        How about the FACT the bible states not to wear clothes of different fabrics, according to the bible shellfish eating is a sin,

        you are picking and choosing what to teach.

  • Paul F

    Michael, what you are saying here Paul preached on in 2nd Thessalonians Ch 2 when he speaks about the apostasy taking place before the Day of the LORD come. Sadly the Spiritual state of america is going to continue to decline as a very rapid rate. The Book of Revelation was written for our times. No one wants self-accountability in life and especially in their relationship with the LORD.

    • iris

      That’s so true!

  • Penny

    Well you forgot seventh day Christians who keep the Sabbath and Holy days of Jesus Christ including the Christian Passover, who know that Jesus said ” I am the way , the truth and the Life and NO ONE COMES TO FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME” There is no other way to eternal life. Vice Versa no one comes to Christ except the Father draw him, then you must answer the call ” many are called but few are chosen (answer the call). Love is the entire basis of Gods law and our relationship with him and our brothers and sisters. We should all have the heart of David.

  • jsmith

    Attack from many directions? I know from one primary direction where those attacks are coming from, and they ain’t from the Muslims!

  • GetReal4U2

    there is only ONE WAY to the father…Jesus…sadly…Christians are under attack throughout the world like never before…Michael speaks truth…all the petty bickering needs to stop…

    • sharon oliveria

      Getreal4u2 Yes! I so agree, what we are facing in days to come we all need to be joined together In Jesus to fight Satan , it will take all of us in Jesus Name!

    • iris

      Amen! Where Jesus is first, last and always, we hardly ever see that bickering. We’re only human, so there will always be misunderstanding, etc., until His return, but we’ll either be convicted and repent or forgive and get over it, by living and resting in Him. More people in other parts of the world have died for His name in the last 30 years than in all of Christian history put together. We’re beginning to see Christians persecuted here in the West, although it hasn’t gotten that far, yet, anyway. There may come a day when it does, and even if it doesn’t, believers really do need each other, and it’s clear in Scripture that we should connect with each other. Our church is a non denom community, and we’re well fed. It’s a loving, giving group of folks and very missions minded, locally and abroad.

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    Yeah, I hear that!

    Get a lot of nasty comments because I’m a faithful member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that He died as sacrifice for our sins and to overcome death. Send the nasty comments – I didn’t restore and organize the Lord’s Church; He did – I’m just the help.

    If there’s one thing all disciples and believers of the Savior can agree on, it’s working together to serve and provide succor to the sick, afflicted, poor, and disabled. Let’s start there.

    • Semper Fortis

      you do realize that ridiculous religion was WRITTEN and DEVELOPED by a FREEMASON..

      it is a FALSE RELIGION. fear not, every jew oriented religion is a false form of control.

      • desert nudist

        And Joseph Smith was involved in witchcraft. The Bible is against
        witchcraft. I think the reason their church denies this and
        indoctrinates their members with revisionist history is because they get
        billions? in tithes.
        Ask any Mormon about Joseph’s involvement with the occult and they’ll quickly tell you that that was made up.
        I’m not a Christian.

        • Semper Fortis

          J.S. was a CONVICTED FRAUD in Illinois.

          Mormons are brainwashed and unable to ingest facts against their 150 year old cult.

  • shadows_edge

    Mike,
    could this termoil that you speak of and it blatantly clear to me, come from a lack of spirit filled leaders in the church?
    Also in mathew 24 verse 7-10 perhaps the kindoms and nations spoken of arn’t completly physical as in country vs. country. Perhaps its in part spiritual. I always assumed that the great falling away the jesus spoke of had to do with the pretribulation lie being spread around along with the rise of the anti-christ, but perhaps it has to do with internal turmoil in the church as well.

    • jaxon64

      What you just did is the exact type of response and clever attack that Michael spoke of—you belittled those who believe in Christ removing His bride before the tribulation and called them liars–essentially blaming them for the “collapse of Christianity”
      Whatever one’s belief in WHEN His return will be–it is not a salvation issue! Pre-trib believers will abide and wait His return…Christians are slaughtered around the world daily–and yet refuse to deny Christ and continue in their faith. If Christ removes me today, tomorrow, returns in 20 years or if I am forced to die a martyr for my faith- my love and relationship with the one true living God is undaunted and I am forgiven by the atoning blood of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I can not do any deeds, earn my salvation, or in any way live good enough for a Holy God–my goodness are as rags–I am saved through grace.

      • shadows_edge

        I can see you anger and misunderstanding and perhaps stating my views is unimportant however, I’m simply stating a question out of internal reflection and from what I’ve seen. But you can continue to attack and belittle me if you desire. My faith is rock solid and much of my time is spent in prayer.

        • jaxon64

          I apologize if you misconstrued my post as an attack–I hope you will re-read what I wrote and see that I never said anything about you–only that your comment, based from your conviction of a superior doctrinal viewpoint, was poorly worded and attacking of your fellows brothers and sisters in Christ.

          PS: and I am well familiar with 1 Thessalonians–and do believe in a great falling away here in the latter days…but we ain’t seen nothing yet compared to what’s coming.

          • shadows_edge

            My friends say that im too blunt and it appears the i have done the same here as well. I apologize for any misunderstandings of my poor wording and agree we are in for a lot more turmoil than we r seeing here.
            I have to there are some lively conversations from this article

        • iris

          Think you’re entirely right; that the coming of the anti Christ has a lot to do with increasing apostasy, but that our biggest problems are our own individual relationships with God. We’re told there will be a spirit of strong delusion and deception present then, and imo, we’re there, now. Whether it’s pre, mid or post tribulation, I do look forward to the rapture, but agree with jaxon64’s understanding that it is a non essential doctrine.

      • sharon oliveria

        Yes! Amen!

      • kerston

        People are slaughtered every day around the world whether they be Christian or not and there are plenty of Christians doing the slaughtering. Can we get over this holier than though crap and stop pretending that every Christian you hear about getting killed around the world did so while decrying their everlasting faith in Christ? Get real.

        • iris

          disagree. Real Christians didn’t slaughter anyone. Those who used His name in vain, sure did, though.

        • afchief

          Christians doing the slaughtering? Really? Give me proof!

      • iris

        Amen!

      • watchmannonthewall

        I have had to do a bit of Bible study this year as there is much persecution within my family over “Christianity”. What I found is that persecution nearly ALWAYS arises within a family in Scripture. Cain killed Able, Ishmael mocked Isaac, and there is some indication in the Hebrew text it was more than just mocking, the sons of Israel wanted to kill Joseph, Esau hated and pledged to kill Jacoab, Absalom wanted to kill his father, David, the Jews killed their brother Jesus/Yeshua, and His own brothers mocked Him just 6 months before He was going to the cross (Jn 7:2-5) and the list goes on.
        Yeshua prophesied that at the end many will fall away and deliver up one another and hate one another. (Mt 24:10) He also stated, and quoted from the OT, that a man’s worst enemies would be those of his own house. Even the current Jew Arab conflict is still between brothers. Our responsibility to be ambassadors for Yeshua and true representatives of His Kingdom no matter what those who claim to be following Him become. They don’t know Him and so they become unlike Him.
        This brings us to the second point: The great apostasy. It is really quite simple. The great apostasy began in the 1st century. Please think about what I’m saying. Many NT books address heretical doctrines already making inroads into the “assembly”, the “church”, in the first century. The errors of Catholicism led to The Reformation in the early 16th century. I doubt most of us believe they were on the right path for most of those centuries when Israel couldn’t stay on the path for even one full generation, do we? (!)
        It is significant that the Greek word “apostasia”, Def. “defection from the Truth”, is only used twice in the NT. Once in 2 Thess. 5:2 where we are told Yeshua will not regather Israel to Himself until after this occurs (Parallel passage is Deut 30:1-4 as Paul knew what was written in the OT!) and then in Acts 21:21.
        Dr Luke defines this word for us there as “forsaking” apostasizing Moses, in English. Forsaking Moses is “defection from the Truth.” Even Yeshua said so! (Jn 5:46-47) “For if you believed (obeyed) Moses you would believe (obey) Me; for He wrote of Me. But if you do not believe (obey) his writings, how will you believe (obey) My words?” And “Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law? Why do you seek to kill me?” (Jn 7:19)
        As to the pretrib rapture or prewrath rapture Yeshua was put death on Passover, laid in the tomb as the unleavened bread from heaven on the 1st day of Unleavened Bread, rose on First Fruits, poured out the Holy Spirit on Pentecost (Shavuot- and notice these all occurred within about 55-60 days), will gather his bride at the Feast of Trumpets, Yom Teruah, will judge the nations on the Day of Atonement, Armageddon, and will dwell with HIs bride in Jerusalem at Sukkot, Feast of Tabernacles. These last three also happen within just 25 days within the same year. Paul tell us about these in Col. 2:16-17 where he tells us we are not to let anyone judge us for keeping God’s, holy days, “things which are a shadow of what is to come (i.e., they have a FUTURE application), but the SUBSTANCE OF THE SHADOW is Yeshua.” Now we understand how HIs Holy Days reveal the work of Messiah to us!
        Rejecting Moses is the apostasy. Moses is a OT portrayal of Messiah and in Deut 18:15-20 he told all of Israel that the Father was going to send us a Prophet like him and everyone who rejected His Words would pay the penalty God Himself would require of each one. When people do not know what Scripture teaches and so are not walking properly, Yeshua said they will be beaten with few stripes. They are still guilty but are in ignorance. But today He is again pouring out His Spirit and opening up the Words of the Book to us and many are rejecting it without performing their due diligence to vet what is being taught. The same thing happened when He came the first time. He corrected the errors of what was being taught and the leaders and many people rejected His doctrine. He told them they had no excuse any longer. Much present doctrine is “made up”, just as it was in Yeshua’s day! Many are figuring this out and many just know something is wrong and don’t want to be a part of it anymore.

        • iris

          You’ve been doing your homework! Not sure I agree with all of what you’ve said, but certainly, most of it. I also think He will return for us at the Feast of Trumpets, or possibly the Feast of Tabernacles. That’s not setting dates, either, because both of them encompass more than one day (“you cannot know the day or the hour”). Also agree about the truth of discord about God being most prevalent in the family. God bless!

          • watchmannonthewall

            Certainly agree that it is not setting dates as the calander has been changed numerous times since Yeshua walked on His earth. How can Easter, which many believe is tied to Passover come three weeks earlier next year than Passover itself?
            No one knows God’s correct calendar, at this time, but I”m sure God is in the process of revealing it at just the right time to His people who are aware of the times and seasons!! Paul said we are not in darkness, ignorant, of the times and seasons so that the Day of the LORD should overtake us like a thief in the night, didn’t he? (1 Thess 5:1-4)

          • iris

            Yes, He did! The longer I live as a believer, the more peace I have in Him to keep me. “for I know in Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him, against that Day”. Kind of scary to think of rising up into the air all of a sudden, but given that angels will be bearing us up on their wings, and how horrible this world will be by that time, I realize that it probably won’t be frightening at all, at that point. (^: God bless!

        • http://lastdayrapture.blogspot.com/2011/08/jesus-said-at-last-day.html TK

          Great comments brother! ! +100

    • sharon oliveria

      Shadow’s Yes by words spoken not in love through Jesus Christ as I see hear I can understand the Why’s of It all, saved in Jesus we will all be in Heaven together Jesus will know His own & there they will be with Him

  • http://marques.co.za/duke/intellect.html Duke Potgieter

    Peace be with the one who reads this comment.

    The organized church is in divided, saturated with false doctrine. There is only one true church, the informal body of believers, those who are scattered all over the world and who are now uniting in the spirit.
    The uniting force can be found in the “Believers Information Network”.

    The faithful witness

    • Semper Fortis

      christians are too brain dead to even GRASP that “Jesus” was against structured CHURCH

      • jaxon64

        scriptures, verses, quotes or evidence to support your summation please….

        • Semper Fortis

          not playing your silly game, you are obviously not educated enough in the bible to engage with.

          go back to the kiddee table where you belong.

          • jaxon64

            didn’t think so……

          • Mari in MD

            Um, wasn’t one of the points of this article to not insult people?

        • http://marques.co.za/duke/intellect.html Duke Potgieter

          John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that
          whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

          The faithful witness

          • jaxon64

            Nice try–this was a verse in reference to Christ telling His disciples that the Pharisees and Sanhedrin would not tolerate the teachings of Jesus by disciples and that they would become outcasts by traditional Jewish teachings—-

        • afchief

          If you look how the early church was set, it was mainly house fellowships. Acts 2:43-47. Man (Constantine) started the building church in the 3rd century. When the written word came into print (the bible) it actually divided the church. We now have thousands of denominations because of man’s pride on how they interpret (doctrine) the bible.

          The early church did not need the written word. They walked and talked with the Holy Spirit who led them into all truth. They learned to hear His voice. In fact it wasn’t until a 150 years ago that most of mankind learned to read and write. They did not depend on the bible. They depended on God!

      • http://marques.co.za/duke/intellect.html Duke Potgieter

        True, however, “was” should read “is”.

      • Matthew6:24!

        Denomination means division!

      • algol2000

        Exactimum!

  • Backwoods Hermit

    Christianity has Ramtha says is a convenient religion it puts all the responsibility on one man. The whole message has been corrupted the reality is as it is stated in the Bible “ye are all gods”. We all have the same potential as Jesus but we have been led to believe that we are the bastards of the universe. Instead of walking the path of Jesus we are deemed powerless by the religions and being a business the truth if known is not revealed, no wonder people are falling away the message has been so misrepresented that the message being delivered no longer resonates in one’s being. It’s time to quit idolizing and worshiping Jesus and following his message and walking the talk.

    It’s not Jesus’s responsibility to save you, it is one’s responsibility to save one’s self. Be a Buddha, a Christ and realize the power in you. After all we are the creators of our life’s and manifest it according to our thoughts and actions. Take some responsibility and become God Man, God Woman realized as Jesus himself says in the bible “All things I have done, you can do and greater.

    Time to wake up
    the journey continues

    • Dave

      You put me to sleep. Don’t pick-quote the bible. READ THE WHOLE THING. Then, you will be able to understand Jesus, the savior of the world. If after reading it you still do not understand Jesus, pray for your soul.

      • Semper Fortis

        name ONE ORIGINAL HOLIDAY in CHRISTIANITY..

        Christmas? NOPE
        Easter? NOPE

        so, which one?

        • jaxon64

          actually–Christianity does not teach holidays at all so I am confused as to your point?

          • Semper Fortis

            oh really?

            so the christmas/manger/baby jesus holiday which almost ALL sects of christianity celebrate?

            or Easter? jesus resurrection

            you are a troll!

          • tim

            Troll is an overused word that has generally lost its impact.

          • Semper Fortis

            are you denying the christian adoption of christmas and easter as main holidays?

          • jaxon64

            The words Christmas, Easter etc etc are inventions of Catholicism–they do not appear in the Bible and God’s word does not instruct us to have holidays..

          • Semper Fortis

            so, christians in church dont celebrate them then, good to know.

            every baby jesus/manger put up around the country in december must be an elaborate hoax by atheists then?

            or the easter celebrations that almost EVERY church partake in?

          • Semper Fortis

            you do realize HELL is ALSO an invention of Catholicism..

            YOU DOLT!

        • SallySmith71

          That depends on which Chrisianity you’re referring to but Passover and resurrection of Christ are to be remembered

          • Semper Fortis

            PASSOVER is JEWISH..

            –> NOT CHRISTIAN!

            ps, jew here

          • SallySmith71

            Jews have express ownership of Jesus dying during Passover and Catholics are Christians? We really do learn something new every day.

          • Semper Fortis

            you would NOT have a New testament without Catholics!

            WHO the “F” do you think wrote it retard?

          • SallySmith71

            Bwhahaha you think Catholics wrote the NT and I’m the retard? Bwhahaha

          • Semper Fortis

            goyim

      • algol2000

        The man that you criticized is right on point.

        Jesus laid down an example for us to follow, and gave himself up to God as a sacrifice to provide grace while we walk toward perfection. It is our duty to become perfect, just as our heavenly Father is perfect.

        Do not listen to Paul. Listen to Jesus. These two do not preach the same gospel.

        • POPONNE

          You are a LIAR.

          The truth is that Apostle Paul preaches the same Gospel Jesus Christ preaches.

          Clearly, you do not know and neither do you understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ; and this accounts for your not knowing that the Gospel Apostle Paul preaches is NOT different from the Gospel Jesus Christ preaches.

          • algol2000

            Again, I will repeat, I do not join issues with pigs.

          • algol2000

            Again I repeat, I do not join issues with pigs.

  • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

    The “church” is a mess because of the clergy class. The leaders are corrupted. I am in the EU and I don’t know if this story has made American news yet but the Italian govt just arrested some clergy folks at the Vatican for embezzlement. This is nothing new. The clergy had been stealing money and committing sexual crimes for centuries. No wonder people leave. And it’s not limited to the catholic organization. The corruption is widespread and people see it for what it is. The churches and cathedrals here in Europe are nothing but tourist destinations.

    • TheMatrixHasU

      Kim that is only part of the problem. The church all over is in a mess because the preachers don’t believe in the truth, and they open up their churches to non believers. People come seeking certainty, they come seeking the truth and when they don’t get it, they end up abandoning God altogether.
      TV and Youtube doesn’t help either…..
      When TV shows represent the Catholic church and Mormonism as being a true Christian church and when mostly the only pastors people to listen to on TV is Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn and some wolves in sheep’s clothing I know of on Youtube….its no wonder people are disillusioned. Too many weeds among the wheat.
      There are only a few truly good TV pastors out there like Chuck Colson, David Jeremiah, Chuck Swindoll…..a couple of others……but 10x as many liars and charlatans out there

      • iris

        Say that. In the 90’s Billy Graham was recorded on video talking with Robert Schuller (the Crystal Cathedral pastor) and saying that there were people going to heaven from different faiths who had never heard of Christ. Also in the 90’s he was recorded kissing the feet of the statue of Mary in the Vatican. I’ve never read anywhere that he’s regretted those statements and actions. I love Billy Graham and was glad I was able to attend one of the rallies one year, and I know there are true Christians in the Catholic churches, but the foundation of the problem, is that we have a lot of trouble letting Jesus be the Head of the Church. Even the best Christian leaders pale in comparison to God’s word and the teaching and guidance of His Holy Spirit by it. The truly great ones point to Him in faith, and I agree with you about those fine men. I’m always leery when books and records and Dvd’s are pushed, although there might be a place for them.

        • shots = autism

          Christians don’t like marijuana. A couple of weeks ago I was talking to a Christian about health and the subject came up about epilepsy. I told about people curing their seizures after they started taking oil from the marijuana plants and that was the end of that conversation. She hasn’t talked to me since. How is it that a plant that cures diseases is so evil?

          • iris

            I think it’s the emotional and mental dependence so frequently associated with it. Also, as with too much alcohol, it can cloud judgement and reaction time. Hemp is an important crop in the world and always has been, but guess it’s how and why and how much is used of what products that make a difference. There are certainly worse things, but like alcohol, if habitually abused, often leads to abuse of more dangerous substances. Have read several articles citing good things about it.

          • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

            Because of the stigma that it brings. People don’t realize CDB doesn’t make you high.

          • shots = autism

            It’s frustrating the AFA is blocking my comments because of a leaf! No where in the Bible does it prohibit anything green. Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so.…

            Romans 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him which eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
            10: But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? . . .

          • Eddishun

            cuz it makes ppl HAPPY. Might cause giggles and munchies. Apparently these are awful things. Who knew?

            It’s a seed-bearing herb. Nothing says a believer cannot have it, and I’m sure God know what’s in it, if He made it. It was banned by MEN, for racist and economic reasons, and it’s just been that way so long no one asks why. A lot of ppl will be surprised when God has no problem with it. “I made it for men. What are you TALKING about? Go read your Genesis again”

            If it makes ppl happy and the authoritarians can’t control it, it’s ‘bad’, by default….

      • watchmannonthewall

        You are certainly correct about bringing the in non-believers into the church. The one here that my father helped to found 30 years ago, from a split with a well established church that kicked out its pastor, has grown from about 40 people to over 1200 in the time period. It is a club today. It buses in unbelieving young people to mix with the committed then wonders why the adult believers’ children are all messed up.
        God said don’t yoke an ox and a mule together. I always thought about it as being because the ox would drag the mule around, but the ox is actually a docile, domestic, animal whereas the mule is stubbon. Additionally, the symbol of the ox is also the first letter of the ancient Hebrew aleph-beit and represents the Father.
        A few weeks ago I came across a posting by a Jewish woman who had an uncle who actually yoked an ox and a mule together to see what would happen. She said the mule dragged the ox around and bent it to do what the mule wanted and go there also. How many times have we seen a believer marry an unbeliever? What was almost always the outcome? Was it any different?
        Perhaps we should pay more attention to to what God had to say about the leper who has turned white. At least we know where this person is at and have been forewarned. But Paul in 1 Corinthians, New Testament, tells us we are to quarantine, put outside the camp, the believer who is engaging in sin. Many people are too immature spiritually, still engaging in sin, to deal with even the one who has turned white. The one who has turned white still influences these. Don’t bring them into the assembly. Work on teaching God’s people what righteousness is first, so they can identify unrighteousness! then they can actually go outside the assembly and influence some who will then want to come in as they see the “right living” that occurs among God’s people!

    • RedSky

      I have to agree with you. Most congregations only serve those who give generously. They are not any better than the corporate oligarchs who have run our country into the ground as their greed/crimes against humanity know no bounds. At least Pope Francis seems to be a people’s pope and understands the plight of the common man today and “gets it.”

      • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

        Thanks for your response. I think he gets it too but it’s not going to do him any good. He’s up against systems and institutions that predate his papacy. It’s a long dark road of corruption and greed. I do respect the man for trying.

        • RedSky

          Don’t under estimate the power of the Vatican. They are a super power and Pope Francis is a thorn in the side of many “old-school” catholics. He is turning the ebb and flow of catholicism/christianity and there is no stopping it now and for the betterment of mankind.

          • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

            I don’t underestimate the power of the Vatican, or where it gets its power from. That is my entire point. Pope Francis is but a man. He will die and another will take his place. But the system and institution that is the Vatican has existed for centuries –to undo and uncover all the corruption and greed and crimes of this instution is a task yet behold. To reverse it will only be by its elimination completely.

          • iris

            agree, and I wish people wouldn’t equate him or the RCC as speaking for all of Christianity. It’s only one denomination.

    • Dennis Mirto

      The biggest mistake one could make is to leave the Catholic Church because of SOME corrupt men….247,000 priest, bishops, cardinals, and pope….maybe at most 5000 are evil men that serve the devil…not God……..so what does that have to do with one’s decision to leave?……Even Jesus picked a devil – Judas………It’s up to us to serve God and NOT be influenced by those who wish to destroy……..

  • Rosco

    There seems to be a few reasons for this. False brothers, who are not brothers at all. Watered down teaching with little or no scriptural basis.
    Pastors who allow all kinds of life styles to come and go in the church itself and not confront it. On top of this we have a very secular cosmos around us. In the U.K our kids get taught the theory of evolution as a fact, sexual promiscuity is rampant between all ages, Islam is a protected religion, abortion is rife.
    Scripture does tell us there will be a great falling away, our Lord said the love of many/most will grow cold, so it should not surprise us. I agree with Michael, chose your friends wisely, we will need each other in these days.
    I believe we will get mass repentance in time, but it will come at a cost, whether physical, mental or financial persecution. Better to forewarned, so we are forearmed.

    • iris

      Yes, and we shouldn’t be surprised. The Bible says that the righteous will suffer, that it’s actually an honor and a gift from God. Of course no one normal wants suffering, but the Church has always grown in the worst times of persecution. This old world is so very temporary, heaven and hell are eternal. I want my beautiful LORD, regardless of what He allows.

  • krinks

    There isn’t a war so much as the mature among us who know the word the best know to separate from false teachings and false teachers. This is why the Episcopal Church, who nominated as Bishop a man who left his wife and children for a man, has been hemorrhaging members as if it has undergone a nuclear strike. This is also why you see Anglican Churches popping up.

    Besides it is always the remnant that stays true to the word that God blesses and respects. 1 Kings 19:18 – Still, I have preserved seven thousand men in Israel for Myself, all of whose knees have not bowed to Baal and whose mouths have not kissed him.”

    You have never and will never see God call his own those that have ignored his word or watered down his word to accommodate accepted filth or perversion of the day.

  • dshalom

    In my opinion and from my experience, the problem is the fraud and false doctrines in many sects of Christendom are being exposed by HaShem and people are running for the hills. I spent several decades in Christendom until about 17 years ago when HaShem in His mercy got me out of it! It was the best thing that ever happened as once I was out of Christendom I then actually met and formed a relationship with Messiah Yeshua. I think people today who are true and sincere in their desire to serve HaShem are sick and tired of the lies and the fraud we see in Christendom.

    • watchmannonthewall

      I could not agree with you any more than I do. If we take a step back and try to see the big picture, using the Word as a basis, “That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun” (Ecc. 1:9), what do we see happening just before Yeshua (Jesus) came the first time? This is the same thing that will be happening before He comes the second.

      There were a bunch of religious leaders who taught the Word of God in the synagogue, but
      then outside of it taught and lived a different “Law”, the “oral law”. This was confusing! The people in Israel were seeped in the Old Testament (OT) as they had been taught the Word, but the religious leaders had improperly applied that Word by reinterpreting it under their own “oral law”. Yeshua came and taught the proper application of God’s Word, the OT, and rebuked these leaders for muddying the waters, the doctrine, that was to teach the people how to live in God’s holy manner. They refused to listen to Him and God pretty much destroyed the nation in 70 AD.

      We see the same today: The people have largely been churched for decades, know what Scripture says, but the doctrine of the shepherds has become corrupt as many of them are interested in building their own legacy and holding onto religious authority over “their” people, not God’s people. The people know something is wrong but not what it is and are leaving the churches, there is no “life” there anymore! God has been calling those who really want a spiritual relationship with Him out of these dead churches and giving them “Living Water”. The churches are becoming places where the unclean spirits live!

      As with Yeshua, the old Hegelian order attacks what God is doing by opposing the true move of God in order to maintain control over the people. Yet God speaking through Jeremiah says, “’Return, O faithless [disobedient-not DOING what you hear] sons’, declares the LORD; ‘For I am a master to you [your pastor is not your master], and I will take you one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.’” (Jer.3:14)

      Zion is where Yeshua rules and reigns during the Millennium and we see from the passage, the majority do NOT go there. As with those religious leaders earlier, Jeremiah and Ezekiel warn today’s religious leaders, God, Jesus, is going to come against these leaders in chapters 23 and 34, respectively. The contexts are set just prior to and during the Millennium. Are they paying attention? The earlier ones didn’t!

      • dshalom

        VERY WELL SAID!!! “There is no life there anymore!”

        The foundation of the verse you quoted from Ecclesiastes is very important to hold onto when studying His Word and it adds so much depth to what He said in that He never changes, is the same yesterday, today and forever.

        I couple this verse in Ecclesiastes with Isaiah 46:10 in that He reveals the End OUT of the beginning i.e. Genesis. If He never changes then this is absolutely true. If He did away with the beginning as most in Christendom teach, then He is now a liar and untrustworthy.

        Returning to His Torah is a great privilege and an honor! In doing so, we then truly meet Messiah as He is the One Who gave His Torah in the beginning. His Torah is a tree of life for all who take hold of it. His Torah is Truth (Psalm 119:142) and Yeshua is the Way, the Life and the Truth i.e. the walking, talking Torah.

        Yes you are absolutely right, the system of Christendom is terrified of what HaShem is doing by calling His people out and therefore will lash out and viciously attack His people. One way is the system will say “But the standard for obedience is absolute perfection and no one can attain to that so you are using the ‘Law’ incorrectly!” Being perfect is not what it means as Christendom likes to teach…He means for us to be wholehearted in serving Him i.e. love HIm with all our heart, soul and mind. Is it possible for each of us to walk Torah out perfectly? Sadly no, which is why He embedded within His Torah the means through which we can make Teshuvah (Repentance) ultimately through Yeshua Himself…Baruch HaShem!!

        Anyways, thank you for your reply…I agree with you completely.

        • watchmannonthewall

          dshalom, So well said and so beautifully! I have a friend down in MS that would likely write exactly what you wrote. Yes, Is.46:10 is coupled with Ecc 1:9. Yes, I’ve heard the standard is perfection but also have pointed out the sacrifices were given to make proper Teshuva and is exactly what Paul said in his statement on how “the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith” (Romans 1:17), from faith in the atonement of the blood of the bulls and goats to faith in the atonement granted by the blood of Yeshua.
          I can’t wait to get to Israel with our King and be with likeminded people who love Him and want to serve Him in the way He said. It looks like it is getting close! I’m still working on getting my garments ready! See you there! Shalom

          • dshalom

            Amein to everything you said!!! May it be soon!!!

            Have a blessed Shabbat! :)

      • jaxon64

        Exactly why I left the church I attended for the prior 4 to 5 years.
        Their webpage has their “mission statement” which roughly says, ” to church the unchurched and create a legacy community to Christ….” whatever that means.
        I would leave the service–consistenting of full rock band music, telescreens, funny videos, even a drama team and of course the packaged “series sermons” by our witty pastor–but would leave feeling spiritually unfulfilled.
        Fast forward 5 years and a dozen churches later and I have found one–of about 50 people who meet in a gymnasium. The pastor opens his Bible to start the service and holds it and reads from it throughout his entire teaching/sermon–not cherrypicking verses out of context to fulfill a pre-conceived agenda or message he wishes to convey; but instead he “unpacks” large passages in context and prays for the Holy Spirit to convey understanding to us…..
        I usually leave with a greater thirst for the Word and a desire to get to know and walk closer to the Lord.

        • Cup Lup

          We live on A OOOOONET now not A planet.

        • iris

          (: I do think there are still many good churches out there, but there are also those which have changed the gospel for social agendas. That’s not to say however, that there aren’t true Christians still in those churches. But the Church is made up of all believers and receivers of God the Son, Messiah Yeshua. He is the only head of the Church, and that can look like a tiny underground house church in China, or a mega church with a rock band in the U.S. I agree with Michael, we need to focus on the common points of the gospel, share it, and support our brothers and sisters in Christ and love everyone. The non essential doctrines don’t matter much at all.

    • Ben Marston

      there is the risk of implicit Monophysitism in that view. Ecclesiology is an extension of Christology. The Church is the very visible Body of the Resurrected Christ, and to set Christian spirituality over and against visible expressions of His Resurrected Body, re-visits the ancient Monophysite heresy, that minimized the humanity of Christ in favor of His Divinity. We are saved by the wholel Christ- Human and Divine, Visible and Invisible, Body and Spirit

      • dshalom

        FYI – There is only one group of people Scripture is written to…ISRAEL i.e. the 12 tribes which includes all those who choose to join with Israel regardless of ethnicity. The ‘Church’ is a completely separate entity that is following another messiah as we see by the ‘Church’ doctrine rejecting the Torah (Truth) Yeshua taught from Genesis through Revelation.

        • Semper Fortis

          you do grasp that the Old Testament is nothing more than a reworded TORAH for the ‘goyim’ to follow.

        • Willem Toerien

          Isaiah 56! ;P Man, that chapter is just plain awesome!

    • Semper Fortis

      there was no letter J pronunciation in HEBREW..
      SO, when thumpers dont even know that “jesus” with a J sound is MADE UP, NOT REAL..
      his name was NOT EVEN JESUS.. ffs!
      so, if christians cant even get the most important persons name correct, what else in infallable in the book written by CATHOLICS! who INVENTED the whole HELL CONCEPT!

      hmm?
      thumpers are sad, un-intellectual, and refuse to comprehend that their ancestors had been had!

      • dshalom

        Very true.

        In Hebrew/Biblical thought a name is very significant because it represents the authority behind it:

        Yehoshua/Yeshua = HaShem is My Salvation

        Jesus = Means nothing

        In my opinion per reading Scripture, Yeshua and Jesus are two distinct persons. Yeshua teaches obedience to His Father while ‘Jesus’ teaches rebellion and idolatry.

        • Willem Toerien

          Shalom dear friend!

          I understand what you mean here and I agree with it. That said, would just like to make it clear…

          The word “Jesus” does mean nothing in and of itself within the English language, but, just like a transliteration of my name in other languages (which can get sometimes very bizarre) also means nothing, the original meaning of the name is inherited.

          Let me explain:
          My name “Willem” has it’s origins in the Dutch language which means “Resolute protector; will.” In the English language, for example, it has transliterations like: “Liam” or “William”. Now the name “Liam”, for example, in and of itself within the English language has no meaning. This is because the name is a short form of the Irish name “Villan”, but it’s original meaning stays the same, meaning “Resolute protector; will.” Though the name is transliterated and in and of itself within the language it has no meaning, it’s meaning is inherited and thus stays the same.

          Therefore, if you were to call me “William” or “Liam” or even “Villan” (which my co-workers in Europe do call me), I will acknowledge it. I have no problem with it.

          But that said… Now suppose someone tells you, “Willem said homosexuality is okay,” I am almost certain you would say, “That’s not the Willem I know…” and you would be correct. But if someone tells you, “Willem says homosexuality is completely wrong,” you can reply, “Yup, that’s Willem.”

          This same principle applies to the name “Jesus”.

          But… I’m sure you will understand my next statement which to many does not make sense…
          There are two Jesus’ in Christianity… Jesus of Rome and Jesus of Nazareth. :P

          Therefore it is written that: “Hereby we know him, if we keep His commandments.”

          So why do I say Yehoshua or Yeshua? Because I respect Him.

          Jesus of Rome is a no god

          Be careful to not objectify His name in a manner that the heathen do, by incantations….

          Take care!!

          • dshalom

            Shalom Willem,

            Great to hear from you! :) I pray you are well?

            Thanks for the reply. I know exactly what you are talking about. :)

            Take care as well!!

          • Willem Toerien

            Yeah i am doing well. How’s the family?

          • dshalom

            Doing well, thanks.

            I followed your lead, albeit a bit late, but finally had enough of the snakes on the Rives blog and walked away about a month ago. I have washed my hands of them over there as they are just nasty and vicious. It was a good decision too. :)

          • Willem Toerien

            I know… And I am sorry for them. That is what sin against the Holy Ghost looks like… They will die in their sins if they do not turn from it and draw near to the righteousness of Yehovah. What they have is not faith, it is presumption. Presumption is Satan’s counterfeit to faith. Presumption takes hold of God’s promises and uses them as an excuse to transgress God’s law. Faith also takes hold of God’s promises on condition of obedience unto God’s law.

          • dshalom

            Well said…I completely agree! :)

    • iris

      Love what you said about having a personal relationship with Yeshua. That’s what it’s all about.

  • JacobLaw

    it comes in like a flood
    and we oppose ourselves
    there is no plan
    just his will and purpose
    either we are in or we are out
    engrafted word which is able to save the soul
    seems that so many can’t find it
    the versions of God’s word
    is the wickedness his people hold on too
    unless his people turn there will be no healing
    only more ungodliness in the churches
    get pass your Hegelian Dialectic
    King James Only

  • DookyDan

    We are nearing what Paul said, “the fullness of the Gentiles be come in”. No more new believers and the dying off of the elderly believers. Those few remaining will soon be wisked away.

    • http://keruxreplies.wordpress.com Kerux

      Sorry, but if you check the Greek, “Gentiles” should be translated “nations,” as in the Israelite nations, and I don’t mean the jews either. The 12 Tribes of Israel were and are of the Caucasian race, that is Whites of European descent. “Gentiles” is a mistranslation and should not be in Scripture.

      • Semper Fortis

        HEY WAIT, you cant do that here. the thumpers will never accept that christianity is a MADE UP RELIGION by a certain group of God’s “special people” and coincidentally has them as special.. hmm curious huh?
        AND these same “special people” also created the religion of islam.

        It is ALL CONTROL. EASTER is PAGAN,
        “Christmas” is PAGAN, etc.
        hmm, when the biggest holidays are PAGAN in origin, ..heck, just getting thumpers to believe that is a mission in futility

        • Cup Lup

          We need Jesus not Lucifer.

          • Semper Fortis

            EXACTLY my point.

            . the story of jesus IS the story of Lucifer!

            who was is that Cain went off and married? remember, it involved a woman, her family, and a village

      • DookyDan

        In your opinion I am wrong and that’s okay I accept your opinion. In my opinion as a strong dispensationalist, you are wrong. Jews, the circumcision, the beloved of God, Hebrews, children of God, sons of Israel, descendants of Issac, all the same. Gentiles, uncircumcised, heathen, pagans, Greeks, Romans, nations is a different group. Have a nice day.

        • http://keruxreplies.wordpress.com Kerux

          Sorry, another word that should not be in an English translation is “jews.” The word “jew” didn’t exist until the 1700s. It’s not my opinion, it’s fact. The word should be translated Judaeans. The “jews” are not the beloved of God. The Israelites are and they are not jewish. Again, not opinion. You do know the bible was not written in English, right?

  • Geno

    Organized “church” as we have known it for centuries never has been and never will be God’s plan for his people. The fact that so many people still believe “church” as we typically see, know and experience it is what God intends shows how far we have fallen.

    The simple truth is that church as we see it, know it and experience it in our modern world is light years removed from God’s true intentions and purposes, and unless “believers” come to see this reality and are willing to get on board with GOD’s agenda, things will only get worse.

    • Ben Marston

      have you done it?

      • Geno

        I sincerely wish I could answer “yes”, but sadly, I can’t.

        I will say though, that I have sought to find others to live it out with, but have been unable to find anyone willing to go beyond talk.

      • Cup Lup

        No I haven’t. I need to get rid of the devil first.

  • Preacher62

    Americans are not leaving the Church. They are leaving what salaried preachers have replaced the Church with. When people come seeking hope and change for the empty lives they are living and find only the same thing they have except carrying a different title, then it should come as no surprise that so many would no longer want to waste their time.

    The only offer of salvation that has ever been made is Christ’s offer to trade us a life of self-denial for his sake in exchange for our lives of self-service. Self-service offers only an emptiness which can never be filled. Self-denial for the glory of God and for the benefit of our fellow man offers us the peace that passes all understanding as well as true fulfillment.

    When that which carries the name of the Church offers only more self-service and touts what God can do for you and what the Church can do for you and centers around entertainment and recreation in exchange for the ticket price you put in the offering plate then what else would one expect from a consumerist society than to go where they will get the most for their money.

    • Paul F

      Well said

    • afchief

      Sometimes you have to leave the church to be the church.

      • Matthew6:24!

        THE CHURCH IS THE MANY MEMBER BODY OF CHRIST,not a building !so you are right in a way most will HAVE to leave the church TO FIND God. if the churches are not teaching the WORD why would you want to be there? Father HAS foretold US all things. WARNED us in Revelation 2,3

      • iris

        After about 3 years of being a fervent believer, but having stumbled into a legalistic church right after salvation (although, at least they believed that the Bible is inspired), I left it, not the Lord. Christians I knew thought I had either never been a Christian or had lost my salvation, when in actuality, my leaving was a step of faith, a returning to the Jesus who has saved me, instead of the focus being on myself. God got me back into church a few years later, it was a learning experience. I was quite immature in the faith while involved with that church, and there were good things about it, but I find it interesting that they have done a 180 regarding some of their former rules, and imo, there was an agenda involved in doing so, to be more appealing to the younger culture.

        What a difference there is between faith in grace, love and mercy, simply leaning on, and receiving God, versus working night and day to perfect oneself and serve Him, yet, all the while, walking around in secret fear of eternal judgement. That’s what unbelievers experience and rightly so. Well, only faith hope and love from Jesus, for me, thank you. That has born fruit for Him, by Him, and He gets the glory only He deserves.

        • afchief

          I have been born again spirit filled believer for 33 years. I have been a youth pastor and elder in several churches. I finally had enough of the pride and power hungry pastors. It was ALL about them. The people they want to keep, who are easily manipulated and/or big tithers they put in leadership. The pew sitters are a revolving door in churches. They move from church to church looking for relationships….looking for Jesus.

          Me and another elder finally had enough and started our own home fellowship and have never looked back. We have both stated we will never set foot in a 4 wall church again unless God tells us to.

          • phshaw

            +1

          • Dylan

            You are exactly the type of self pumping blaspheming danger to souls that must be exposed openly, frothing antidoctrinal seducer of souls. Start your own religion ecumenical deceiver don’t call it Biblical based Christianity.

          • afchief

            That is the way the church was set up for the first 300 years. You are quite WRONG!!!

  • whodowetrust

    I think if the word of God was being taught and walked out by those preaching / in authority in an environment where the Holy Spirit was welcomed and Jesus was Lord then perhaps God would pour out his spirit on all flesh and the gospel would be preached to the whole world.

  • How Not To Play The Game

    …..people are leaving the church in droves because most of the churches are facades The Holy Spirit aint much into hangin’ where He isn’t wanted or represented a little bit more truthfully. (For beginners)
    Besides, Prophesy happens. Stuff happens. Prophesy happens. Not much we can do about. I’ve been cleansed by the blood. I aint even much gonna worry about it. Just try and not get any of it on me.

    • algol2000

      The blood shed many years ago does not cleanse. It only reminds God that we need more time to become perfect. It only pleads for mercy and God’s patience concerning our imperfections and sins.

  • bluesheepradio.com

    I have always believed that 95% of those that profess to be christian are not. Its a social club an a family ” tradition ” to go to church.

  • Mark

    The silliness of some of these comments demonstrates the point of the article. Here are a couple Bible passages that should give us all pause:

    Luk 18:8 . . . Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

    Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

    The NT is replete with passages that prophecy the dismal failure of the Church.

  • John Stewart

    When many Christians are leaving the church, one has to ask “why?” I don’t believe it’s because they no longer want to be Christians, but it’s because they no longer are fulfilled in the church for a variety of reasons. The main one is because of the lack of “spirituality” in the church. Many churches are like social gatherings instead of a House of God where reverence and worship is given to God. The other reason is because they have no opportunity to use their gifts in the church. Every Sunday is totally predictable. You come in, you shake a few hands, you sing a few songs, you sit down, the preacher says his sermon, you give your money, you get up, you shake a few hands and you leave. Does this sound boring or inspiring? What does the Bible say: When you come together EACH OF YOU has a hymn, a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of this must be done for the strengthening of the body. 1 Cor 14:26 When we disobey God, we have to accept the consequences…..want to get people involved? God does.

    • sharon oliveria

      Many cold churches leave the Holy Spirit out, do not teach the workings of the Spirit, nor the Gifts of the Spirit, they themselves have not experienced the Holy Spirit at work, don’t have a clue on how to teach it,people just do not stay where the church is dead ! we are the Church inside without stone & brick, this is why you will see home church’s gather so Father Son & Holy Spirit are welcome in to Fall On Me, as the song goes, Holy Spirit Fall on Me. Blessings In God the Father, Son & Holy Spirit

      • Matthew6:24!

        Revelation 2,3 !

    • afchief

      Church is supposed to relational. Instead it has become a one man show. No where in the New Testament will you find the office of pastor set up the way we have it today.

      When we pay a man to preach to us, it causes all kinds of evil things. I have seen it first hand!

      • algol2000

        The pauline gospel was set up to fail, naming offices. Christ moved in the opposite direction. Matt 23. The pauline gospel is the cause of today’s failures. No man can respresent another man before God. Not any more.

        • afchief

          If we look at Jesus as our example He really only had 12 people in his personal congregation. Sure He taught thousands, but He only had a personal relationship with 12. What makes us think that a pastor can have a relationship with hundreds or thousands of people?

          • algol2000

            In Jesus’ words in Matt 23. there is only one Master, Jesus himself. Every man should make his neighbour his equal and all problems will disappear. No man should bear a burden that is not his to carry. Sufficient unto a man are his own burdens. His own shortcomings.

          • afchief

            You are correct. Jesus is the head and we are the body. Jesus is our authority. Not man.

          • watchmannonthewall

            “Thus says the LORD, ‘Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind and makes flesh his strength, and whose heart turns away from the LORD. For he will be like a bush in the desert, and will not see when prosperity comes (God’s spiritual prosperity/His Word- not man’s wealth), but will live in stony wastes in the wilderness, and a land of salt without inhabitant.
            Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD and whose trust is in the LORD. For he will be like a tree planted by the water, that extends its roots by a stream and will not fear when the heat comes; but its leaves will be green, and it will not be anxious in a year of drought nor cease to yeild fruit.'” Amen and Amen! (Jer. 17:5-8).

      • Dylan

        go seduce souls somewhere else luring anti biblical manipulator.

        • afchief

          You are a liar!!!!

  • DJohn1

    One day mankind will have a TV camera capable of dialing in any place and time that has ever occurred.
    Yes, it might even have sound. I know just enough guesswork physics to know that on the atomic level there appear to be not 4 but eleven dimensions on this Universe.
    My question would be, what faith out there could withstand the entire truth as it actually happened?
    Because right now, in 2015, there are a whole lot of people confused as to what actually happened in the Bible.
    Did their Earth actually have a concept of the planet being round?
    Or did they believe that if you walked far enough you would fall off the edge?
    Was their concept of heaven and hell correct? For instance if they floated up into the clouds would they encounter outer space or would they be magically transferred to a place called heaven?
    If they burrowed down thousands of feet beneath the surface would they encounter hell?
    Because early Christianity did believe those things.
    The simplest answer to a lot of things in Christianity is for us to simply tell the truth. I do not know.
    What I do know is that the Holy Spirit does exist and that Spirit can manifest in a church setting. I know that people touched by the Holy Spirit have been healed of the physical things that make them sick. And no, I do not know why some are healed and others are left sick.
    Neither has my experience been limited to one church or one belief system held by many. That spirit was there because I could feel it there, many years ago, when Father Fleming held a mass on base in a catholic chapel.
    It did happen that the power was drawn completely out of me on a Saturday afternoon coming back from the airman’s club with about 3 beers in me. I know because I had a connection with a young lady in Colorado. On that same date she wrote asking what I had done because all the power left her at the same time it left me.
    That same power was in residence at a church in my area that believed in the holy spirit. I know because I am sensitive to it.
    Is Jesus real? Is God real? I suggest that the churches need to get themselves educated in what the teachers out there are teaching in our public school systems. Because they teach neutrality.
    They imply that religion is superstitious nonsense.
    They imply that agnostic or atheist belief is the only sensible religious belief out there and our entire government has fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
    We are human and as human beings we tend to have a lot of opinions as to what is and what isn’t.
    That same catholic system burned a lot of heretical documents of the 16th century Indians of South America. They also had a nasty habit of raping women, stealing gold, and whole lot of other crimes yet they go to a catholic priest and are absolved of all of it until the next time they do it. I maintain that without innocence they will all go to hell where ever hell might be. There is such a thing as trying to lie to the savior. Only my savior is a telepath. He can read their minds as easily as you and I talk to one another. He knows if they are sincerely repentant or trying to use a loop hole.
    To me that is not following Christ at all. It is following the world.
    We have well over 250 denominations of Baptist in this country alone. Each is so sure they are right and everyone else is wrong.
    And the Biblical Law of Moses actually had rules for slavery.
    We have people that think that the world is no more than 6 or 7 thousand years old. Despite the facts that other nations and other cultures have documentation spelling out things that happened far older than 7,000 years ago.
    Why is any of this important? Because only a very few ministers of God will ever address any of this before a Congregation. And young people are smart enough to detect this.
    Those young people know enough to reject false teachings. They often do not know the important things and they therefore have no relationship with God.
    IF and WHEN someone does come up with that space/time camera? It had better be very well guarded. In my opinion a whole bunch of false religious will go after it with the intention of destroying it before anyone can use it to find out the real truth of what happened when.
    I believe because Jesus and God have manifested in my own life in the past. Even so, Jesus and God do not follow me. They expect me to follow them and whatever they do is what happens.
    That can be very tragic. Because if it is the will of God that something happens, nothing we can do will ever change it.

    • http://www.knowingforyourself.com DanielRL

      Great Post….keep the faith Daniel Facebook: Daniel R. LeBlanc

      • facebook spies

        Facebook is a big NSA spy operation.

  • Cup Lup

    I rebuke you satan rite now in the name of Jesus!

  • Rafael

    2 Thessalonians 2English Standard Version (ESV)
    The Man of Lawlessness2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a] 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[b] is revealed, the son of destruction,[c] 4 who
    opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of
    worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?

  • sharon oliveria

    Amen! All Fall short the Glory of God, we aren’t perfected just saved & walking each day praying to be more like Christ, we make mistakes but Jesus is there to show us the way, May our Joy be full In Jesus & want to share the Joy He gives with others, Many are hurting, been hurt & needing God’s healing, Never leave a brother or sister on the ground, but help Him up, let the Light Of Jesus love be in you & seen by others. We face some serous times, dark days ahead we need to be grounded in His word & love & assurance that He is with us, He said “I will be with you until the End”, & “For those that endure until the end to those I give a Crown to”, Blessing’s In Jesus!

    • iris

      Amen! And I love Philippians 1:6 and 2:13, “He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it until the day of Christ Jesus”, and, “for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure”. Jesus has paid it all and is doing it all, we can be free and in perfect peace with God through Him as we rest and trust in Him and lean on Him for guidance and strength! He delights in all believers and everything He allows is meant for the good of all people and for His great glory. He wins.

      • sharon oliveria

        Irs, yes that is well said, & by God, for His word is a living word for Yesterday, today & forever, we love His word never tire of hearing, find new truth’s & meaning from one week, or month or year , what we were going through yesterday we will find comfort in today, & what we will go through the next month or yr different than when we read the same Scripture it is revealed to us the greater meaning, because last week we weren’t ready for it, but today we are, I may not be making it clear, but the word is the living word & God Reveals to us a little at the time, If God reveal everything all at one time we couldn’t take it, like Moses at the burning bush when God told Him to not look at God but the Bush, still He came down from the Mountain & His hair had turned white from looking on only some of the Glory of God. Boy! we have a lot more to learn every day Praise God, the more you seek God & His word the more is revealed to us of God & the Worthy Lamb of God Jesus Blessings in Jesus Name!

        • iris

          So agree! God bless you, too!!

  • Sandbagger

    I know why Christians are turning on each other. It’s just like the dog world. It’s called “Redirected Aggression.” When dogs aren’t
    able to get at their primary target, often it causes them to turn on each other in frustration.

    Christians are not able to get at their primary target (the scum messing things up), so they are redirecting their aggression toward each other. Why can’t they get at the primary target? So many churches have been neutered and are ineffective in society and government due to their 501(c)(3) status. Unless or until that changes, expect things in the church to get worse.

    It’s a dog-eat-dog world in the church today.

  • iris

    Thank you for again sharing gospel truth, Michael. God loves us so much that He became human for us, to be tempted as a human yet without succumbing to sin, took the punishment we deserve, died and physically rose from the dead. This proves the justification accomplished by God for those who put their hope and trust in Him alone. Although it says in James 2:13, that God’s mercy exults over His judgement, without receiving this mercy offered by His ultimate gift, we must be condemned by His perfectly fair justice if we try to come before Him with our own works, because only He is perfect. He imputes His righteousness to those who believe and receive Him. No one but God could, has or ever will do this for us, and all because of His great love for humanity.

    • John Noyb

      Iris – your comments are always “spot on” when it comes to the things of the Lord.

      • iris

        Thanks much, John Noyb. I wasn’t raised in church and came to know Christ in college. I told people I was Christian, but didn’t understand the plan of salvation. The day I believed and received Him became the difference between life and death and blindness to sight. Where would i be without Him!!!

  • Undecider

    This “war” is being orchestrated by Satanists.

  • Mark

    So much money in the church and so little Bible literacy. A pastor is supposed feed the sheep but most are illiterate in America. Poor scholarship, interpretation and too much fluff in the church. 95% of American Christians cant tell you where the ten commandments are. Such a sad commentary for the so called church in America

  • Otto Wells

    Reading an article about Christians warring on Christians then look down in the comments section and what do I read. Christians warring with Christians.

    • John Noyb

      Otto – clearly a lot of these comments made were not by Christians. Indeed there are a lot of people that call themselves Christians that are not truly “born again” believers in Jesus.

  • Gay Veteran

    you people need to read “The Age of Reason” by Thomas Paine

  • wadecox

    People are becoming aware that the Sunday worshipping Trinitarian flim flam is not true and was not the original doctrines of the church. We are no longer openly persecuted and people are increasing their studies now in the hundreds of thousands each week. We expect between one and two million hits on our study papers downloaded each month.

    • http://lastdayrapture.blogspot.com/2011/08/jesus-said-at-last-day.html TK

      Very true, there is no trinity… and the church has wandered far from its roots

    • Crisrose

      When one *knows* and has a personal relationship with God, there’s no need to go to church and sit next to hypocrite ‘believers.’

      • wadecox

        We are told not to forsake the gathering together and we are also told that we are to gather and worship God from one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another (Isa. 66:23). These are the elect who keep the commandments of God and the testimony or faith of Jesus Christ (Rev. 12:17; 14:12). We are scattered all over the world. Yet we manage to meet with one another on the Sabbaths, New Moons and Feasts of God.

  • Alleged Comment

    IF we lose Christianity, we will lose everything and we will become like the nations that surround us.

    For in that book we carry around lay the psychological treatise that laid the ground work for our greatness.

    Whether you knew it or not.

  • Bob Russell

    the problem I see is denominations teaching secular humanism and feel good about yourself instead of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. when ministers start promoting sin then people leave because they want the Word of God, not the “you are perfect and there is no sin or hell” message of secular humanism.

    • iris

      Agree. People need truth. We instinctively know there is right and wrong and have a longing to worship something and a desire to live. This is because we were made with aspects of the One who created us all.

  • Richard O. Mann

    The falling away. This is it. It is world wide and America just happens to have the largest population of people who call themselves Christian. I have seen some teaching on the falling away when teaching about the coming tribulation period. In the Middle East, Christians are being killed by Muslims daily. Many have left and gone to other parts of the world. In Europe, those grand Churches which were built centuries ago, are now pretty much empty and some are being taken over by Muslims. The Holy Spirit is slowly but surely moving away from the United States, and leaving it open for even more of Satan and his gang to move in and take over. What you are seeing is part of the judgement of the Church. Those that do not have the Holy Spirit in them are now showing their true colors. There have always been false Christians associated with the Church since the beginning. Now that we are getting to the end of the Church Age, and the Age of Grace, they are either leaven the Church in droves, or doing all they can to destroy what is left of the true Church.

  • http://hereisfaith.org Iced White

    Reading this article reminds me that Grace is greater than sin and that when God calls a soul out of darkness, the soul responds. I would never pretend to say that stories like this don’t cause me to feel some sadness. But then the joy of salvation overtakes the sorrow.
    And the realization that God our Father is perfectly Just and Holy, and that his plan is Perfect helps me redirect my sight towards His Eternal Glory rather then our human failings.
    It is expected that a world of sinners is going to produce sin. It is miraculous that a Heaven that holds Eternal Dominion has overuled the world. And it’s failings. And that for those being saved, there is nothing that can keep us from God’s love or from expressing God’s Love to all who we interact with.
    May you know our Father and inherit with us His Glory, beloved. May His light and truth fill you that you may have joy and peace. Blessed is the Lord GOD Most High and blessed is His only Begotten Son Jesus of Nazareth, the living and resurrected Christ of our God. Amen.

    • iris

      (:

  • Piper Michael

    We Gnostics have been saying for some time that Orthodoxy is dying, choking on their own 501c3 horse manure.
    The Great Falling away has been happening for some time, Why? You educate your children that there is no God, and you wonder why they turn against blind faith that offers no proof of God?
    Your religions teach ‘mystery’, and your science teaches atheism, this is where the New Unified Field of God, comes.
    God is real, and is now proven with a mathematical equation, He must BE, in order for all things to BE.
    Most of the rest, is horse hockey used to control you and make you feel guilty, or keep you in “submission to Godly authority”.
    People of the new age, desire knowledge and truth, not horse crap and manipulation.
    To say that ‘God’ will throw a Buddhist boy into the lake of fire, simply because the boy didn’t know Jesus… well, I had to leave.
    God is fair, but if there was no evil, could there be good?
    IT will get worse because we have entered the “time of Jacobs Trouble”, persecution and tribulation comes, and what will you do, when Christ doesn’t come on your schedule?

    New Jerusalem, is the only way to escape what comes.

  • Greg Straw

    This is good news EVERYONE should get out of any church with more than 30 people they all tell lies…home churches are where you will find the Lord these days…he left the fake church years ago.

  • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

    I left the Christian faith some years ago, but I have observed enough to have an idea of what’s going on. First of all, Christians do spend way too much time criticizing each other. There is a program on TV by Jimmy Swaggert Ministries.It’s fascinating when they discuss current events, but oh so dreary when they discuss the Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Catholics or any other “cult” with whom they disagree on doctrine. They also attack the”faith” movement, even the late Kenneth E. Hagin, although I read his books as a teen and I’d say his doctrine is about 99% in line with the Swaggerts’.But it’s the 1% that they are all hung up on. As far as the decline of Christianity in this nation, isn’t the reason obvious? “Evangelical” Christians are surprisingly unaggressive when it comes to evangelism. I read somewhere that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are the fastest-growing religion in America. That’s not an accident. Their churches commission their members to go door to door with their message. In a typical evangelical church, though, the pastor will lay a huge guilt trip on the congregation – “the world’s going to hell and it’s YOUR fault!” The Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t even believe in hell, and they do better at making converts. It’s not that they necessarily have a better product. What they do have is a better marketing strategy. Just a suggestion, guys: it’s not my business anymore.

    • iris

      Thanks for your input, Jodie Lynn. I agree with your take on many Christians who privately identify as evangelical. We’re supposed to be sharing our faith, per Jesus. We’re supposed to do that in love and humility, but many of us have caved in that regard, either because we think we can’t give good answers to criticism or questions, have bought into the pc attitude of keeping quiet about things which might go against someone’s grain, or sadly, just don’t want to encounter persecution for our position.

      Re JW, they don’t believe in hell, but they’re working like mad to hopefully get into heaven, yet they have no assurance of ever making it there. But yes, they are successful, imo, because they’re very legalistic and appeal to the human desire to be seen by others as uber righteous. Our Christian daughter dated a JW for awhile, and he had to keep the relationship secret from his parents. He could have been shunned by his family and would have been excommunicated. He ended up marrying a JW gal, but still tried to call on and meet with our daughter. She wisely refused to, once he got engaged. Their system does work well by human standards.

      • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

        I’m not saying that you should be like them in every respect; only that you should consider the possibility that their methods could work for you, too. Evangelism should be primarily church-based rather than an individual activity. Of course you can share your faith with friends- why not? It may be the life raft they’re looking for. But pastors should not simply pressure their congregants to “witness” to others. That puts a heavy burden on the backs of people who may be weak and unsteady in their faith, and after a few clumsy attempts to convert family members or strangers, they become discouraged. They may leave church entirely, and you’re down that many people. No good! My advice to pastors would be this: Organize your people (only those who are reliable and known to be of good character) into teams and have them go door to door. If anyone has speaking ability, he or she may preach in public also. Concentrate especially on poor neighborhoods. Why? Because many people there are hurting and struggling and are not likely to be as complacent as the wealthy and powerful. If churches would do that, they would gain converts.

        • iris

          Understand the pragmatism involved in your reply, although think it isn’t or doesn’t need to be so regarding Christianity, but want to say, you are one very open minded person, Jodie Lynn!

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Well, thank you Iris, but I don’t know if I’m so open-minded: it’s just that I believe Christianity has a lot to offer people, even if I myself want no part of it. This entire article is about diminishing numbers of Christians in the U.S., and the obvious question that comes to mind is why evangelicals are not working harder to win converts, as that in itself would solve the problem. My suggestion is that not only should you work harder, but go about it in a way that is most effective. Putting everyone in the congregation on a guilt trip for their failure to evangelize on an individual basis is ineffective for the most part and may have negative repercussions. Organizing evangelistic teams is much more efficient, and doesn’t put pressure on members who still have a lot wrong with their own lives and who don’t feel qualified to be a “witness”. Iris, it’s not about nervously trying to score enough brownie points to get to heaven; it’s about winning the game. I am 50 years old and never has a group of evangelical Christians come to my door to hand me literature: not even once.The Jehovah’s Witnesses have come by though, on several separate occasions. You can’t tell me that American Christians are serious about preaching the gospel to the unbelievers.If that were true, you would have paid me and my neighbors a visit by now. If you’re serious about “winning the world for Christ”, then you had better come up with a more deliberate and shrewder strategy because what you’re doing now IS NOT WORKING. Not well enough anyway, because your numbers should be increasing, not decreasing. I don’t mean to talk to you harshly about this: you are evidently a very nice and sincere person. But why are you losing instead of winning in this nation?

          • iris

            Very good question and observations, Jodie Lynn, however, imo, it’s not necessary to look at Christian evangelism that way. Numbers and bodies in seats and $ don’t count in God’s eyes. I do think that Christian evangelism can only occur in an effective way when its adherents are living lives of humility (not false humility or self deprecation, but knowing who they are in Christ and their proper relationship to Him) and integrity, so that they can model and share God’s love, and also, to be familiar with the basic, common, orthodox tenants of Christian faith, so that they can share the gospel if asked about their beliefs in everyday interactions and deeper relationships. Sadly, many professing Christians today barely know what’s in the Bible or how to look anything up. There is a direct relationship to deep, personal faith in God and a solid understanding of Scripture, imo.

            Regarding active evangelism, I’ve been in many churches over the years which have been involved with various outreaches and para ministries, where the gospel is very often shared. I went with others from our daughter’s church for about 4 years every Saturday morning to a hub for the homeless in a large nearby city, and we shared the gospel with everyone we could, along with clothing, food, etc.

            What you related, that in 50 years, you’ve never had a Christian come to your door to share their beliefs, is just wrong and sad. Why this is, I don’t know for sure. I’m older than you are and was raised in the Bible belt of the U.S., and as a child and teenager, I do remember Christians going door to door, sharing the gospel sometimes, usually in conjunction with invitations to church or a church event. That should still be happening!, but now, it usually only occurs when a church plant is starting up in a specific locale. I also have memories of revival meetings with tents, and of people standing on the streets with posters or banners which displayed portions of the gospel message. Haven’t seen either one of those for decades, perhaps because of the increasingly negative perception of Christianity which is the currently popular position. This perception has occurred in conjunction with our citizens not being aware of the laws in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, even among public school officials. I’ve never believed that Christianity should be the only religion allowed in our country, but have also always believed that it and the practice of it, should be accepted and respected in our society, and this is exactly what the law says, basically, that no suppression of any religion, no establishment of any one over another by the government, is to be allowed. Also wonder if increased personal mobility and the computer age have resulted in Christianity becoming more private than it used to be? Thanks for the discussion.

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            It’s none of my business, but numbers are not numbers; they are people. You should also be concerned about quantity, although quality is important too ( Jesus told his followers to make”disciples” not just converts) And I wrote nothing about “$” – where did you get that from my comments? Like I said, it’s none of my business. Sounds like you’re doing your fair share of ministry. Good for you.

          • iris

            Sorry, I probably wasn’t clear in my response and maybe misunderstood your original comment. Many associate $ with numbers, (I so agree, it’s about people and God!) and there are plenty of mega churches which look way too much like businesses for my tastes, but we do have to use legal tender or trade most of the time in this world. More people involved actively would be great, but I don’t think guilt or legalism should be a motivator, it has to be an individual, heart felt response, and that’s the impression I’ve gotten from some of the organizations which have done so well by certain standards. But God can do so much with very little, in fact, it’s pretty much His MO. Thinking of what God did with Gideon, taking his fear and doubt, and changing him into a deliverer and judge for the remainder of his life.

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Thank you for the clarification, and for taking the time to reply. I agree: guilt is a terrible motivator, because it can’t help producing resentment as a side effect. I like you evangelical Christians. I’ve been among you and I would say that you are the meekest people I have ever known. And the world says you’re arrogant! That’s why I want you to be successful.I think there should be more of you.

          • iris

            Thanks, Jodie Lynn! May God be glorified. He is faithful! Enjoy talking with you.

    • http://www.mindbodygreen.com Kim

      it has to be worth it. You have to wonder why the Jehovah’s Witnesses do it. What do they get out of it and what motivates them? I couldn’t do it. I mean I would need a special dose of something to get me motivated. They’re just people. I saw JWs on the sidewalk in Darby Dixon. It’s a slum, gang infested crappy place in South Los Angeles. Don’t ask me why I was there. But I saw them.

      As for why people are leaving, I guess they see it’s nothing special. No one dresses properly for church anymore. Everything is allowed, the prosperity gospel is not working and there are just too many instances of theft and immorality.

  • Joan Camara

    Can’t wait to read the comments, but I just gotta say to Mr. Snyder….that he didn’t put one verse of the bible in that article, where this is prophesied to happen, such as….evil will be called good, and good, evil…in the last days. There’s so many verses that I can’t put them all on here. But anyway, don’t be surprised when this get’s worse and worse. I won’t be. I know God’s Word. But to mention something else, what does someone expect when most all churches today, celebrate all these pagen holidays? They just let satan in the door. That’s just ONE thing! If anyone has any smarts, or intelligence and/or studies prophecy, they would know all this already…dumb scumbags! lol, just kiddin

  • tovlogos

    “This kind of thing should not be happening. In Matthew chapter 22, Jesus gave us instructions about how we are to treat one another…”
    How will people treat one another as Jesus does when they are not conforming to His image? It takes so much more to be Christlike than simply saying you believe in Jesus (Romans 10:9-10).
    Do we read the Word of God, believe it, receive it, search it, hold it close to our hearts? Have we become spiritual by the Spirit, unlike Nicodemus at the time he met Jesus in John 3? This aspect is a must since God is spirit and “must” be worshiped in spirit (John 4:24).
    Obviously many Christians do not. They do not recognize that we do not war against flesh and blood in reality (Ephesians 6:12), but against evil entities. They cannot discern these entities because they are not spiritual, having been born from above. All of these things have to be in place.
    In the mean time, without the reinforcement of the Spirit, Christians seem to be as vulnerable and the world, because the things of God begin to become foolishness as the mind hardens. The parable of the Sower in Matthew 13, has 4 categories of people who received Christ; yet 3/4 of them ran away, and only one category constituted fertile soil.
    All any one has to do is listen to the news for a few days, and it becomes abundantly clear why 2 Thessalonians 2 is inevitable. The good news is, this event also indicates the Rapture of the true believing church.

  • Stephen

    I just don’t like liberal Christians. How can anyone be a born again believer and vote for the democrats? I suspect because many excuse me I mean NONE of them are actually BORN AGAIN!!! Yeah I used to vote democrats……………When I HATED GOD and was an atheist. Right after being born again it was like POOF what was I thinking? I know what I was thinking. I was a Christ hating, gay sympathizing, abortion loving, God hater. And that’s what ALL democrats are!!!

    I rest my case

    • iris

      Well…as a believer, I was a Democrat for many years, because I’m for the little guy, which is what I understood them to be about, and think in ways, they used to be. That party has morphed into being more about a nanny state, Big Brother, tentacled octopus, now, though, imo. I’ve been a conservative for the last 15 years or so, but also think there’s not much difference between GOP and Democrat when one looks at their voting records. There are some really good folks in the GOP, but I refuse to vote to keep the other side out anymore, and don’t trust the electronic voting machines. If the GOP doesn’t let a true conservative who will abide by our Constitution run in the next presidential election, and who hasn’t necessarily been approved by the CFR and Trilateral Commission, I’ll vote for an independent. Whether election fraud occurs or not, the demographic data gleaned from my vote will show tptb where I stand and that I see through the smoke and mirrors. (Of course, since Patriot Acts 1&2, I’m sure they already know where I stand.) This country so needs to go to the popular vote with many parties in play, and we need to get rid of the electoral college and have a paper trail again for elections to be fair. It’s disgusting. No wonder so few people vote.

  • Jordan

    It’s great to see you write an article like this. This message is vital as this country faces total economic and spiritual collapse. We need each other because divided Satan can conquer us. Its also great with how many people read Michael’s blog they will read the message of SALVATION for themselves in this article. Thank you for writing this Michael.

  • SallySmith71

    I stopped attending church services once churches stopped preaching the Gospel and started constantly preaching about how God needs my money. It still confounds me today how Catholics and Pentecostals will continue to feed these already overpaid churches.

    • HumbleAmerican

      We just need to tax all religion services. Of course when you tax the churches, then people will understand who actually runs the world. The Vatican will influence WW3, and through fear, people will flock back to the churches.

  • iris

    Amen, and I so agree with you that believers need to be loving everyone, inside and outside of church, whether they’re believers or not. I do believe Jesus told us to judge righteously, and that we will know good vs evil by the fruits we see. Of course we can’t judge the heart, only He can. We are to love people and hate evil, and be good Bereans regarding what we’re being taught.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Karl Marx said in Feuerbach thesis #4, “Once the earthly family is discovered to be the secret of the heavenly family, the former must be annihilated through theory and practice.” What Marx was saying, was the traditional family that rebukes and chastens their children, is working out God’s system of righteousness. Silence the voice that rebukes and chastens, and you can liberate SIN! So today, sin is well liberated — thanks to marxist ideology permeating virtually every facet of the culture, including the so-called “church.” How do you silence the voice that rebukes and chastens? By calling that voice “mean-spirited,” “negative,” “hateful,” and so forth.

    In the Old Testament, the punishment for fornication was to take the offenders outside the camp and stone them to death. People today call that too harsh. Yet, the bible says in Romans 3:26, that God is both JUST, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. What people can’t wrap their minds around, is that God has not changed. God is still JUST. God still believes stoning fornicators fits the crime. The only thing that has changed is that man — through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, the One who took our place on the cross, and bore our sins under God’s wrath in our place — can receive God’s gift of salvation. His blood sacrifice is what saves man from God’s judgment, not anything man can do. So, if God has not changed, and a Christian is saved from God’s wrath, how is that they don’t reverence the wrath from which they are saved? That is the question that every watered-down preacher will one day have to answer for. Because without God’s wrath, there is no need of an atonement.

    • HumbleAmerican

      So, are you saying it’s OK to stone someone to death?

      • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

        Do you believe in absolute truths?

        • HumbleAmerican

          Absolutely

          • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

            Allright then, do you believe it is OK to spend eternity in hell?

          • HumbleAmerican

            If hell exists, I would say, no. But my question is, do you think it’s ok to stone people to death?

          • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

            Do you think it’s OK to kill babies?

            I believe that God is a just God, and that His wrath ought to feared.

            Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV

            “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

            For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

          • HumbleAmerican

            Again, please answer my question truthfully, do you think it’s ok to stone people to death?

          • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

            I have. As I stated in the beginning, it is God who gave the judgment to stone for fornication. God is Holy. The God of the Bible has no tolerance for sin. Sin is destructive and only God knows the depths of sin’s destruction. The judgment is in God’s domain, not mine. I agree with the Old Testament prophets and kings who responded to God’s judgment with “He is righteous!” Oh, that America could see that God is righteous! Because of marxist subversion, America has in the past 50 years promoted fornication to intentionally weaken a nation. And you can see the results. Just because man thinks he has progressed at this moment in time when all man is currently going by is a Hegelian-Dialectic view of history, proves that man thinks way too highly of himself. How many babies do we kill a day? God the Father poured out His wrath on the Son, that a wicked soul might have eternal life. Because of this, men have been given the gift of eternal life, should they receive it, so I surely believe that God’s judgment is righteous! If I didn’t believe that God calling for stoning was okay, then I wouldn’t believe that God pouring His wrath on the Son was okay, hence I would not comprehend salvation from the judgment of a righteous and Holy God!

          • HumbleAmerican

            That was my next question, are you a believer in Jesus. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Jesus say, those without sin, cast the first stone? Just curious how that fits into your logic.

          • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

            I am a believer. According to the Levitical law, the man and the woman caught in adultery were to be stoned to death. Only the woman was present. Jesus called that a mistrial.

          • HumbleAmerican

            And the time when Abraham and Sarah went to Egypt. First telling the lie that she was his sister, both claiming this. Sarah went into Pharaohs house, not knowing she was his wife, Pharaoh proceeded. Pharaoh makes Abraham a wealthy man, and God plagued Pharaoh and his house. Gen: 12

            The man and his house plagued, and the woman walks away without judgement. No mistrial.

          • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

            In the Bible, the LORD always takes care of His own over those who do not know God. Even when Jerusalem fell under God’s wrath, the LORD punished the nations who reveled in Israel’s destruction all the more. Ezekiel 25.

            So what’s your point? The Bible says in Romans 3:10, “There is none righteous, no, not one”

            Ezekiel 16 : 4-14, it is God who redeems, not anything that man does.

            4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.

            5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.

            6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.

            7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast
            increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

            8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

            9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

            10 I
            clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers’
            skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with
            silk.

            11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

            12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

            13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst
            prosper into a kingdom.

            14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

          • HumbleAmerican

            It’s not my point, it’s the god of the bibles point. He plagued Pharaohs house when Pharaoh was lied to by Abraham and his wife Sarah.

            If I were to give you a book, and said the god of this book is good, and told you the god of this book creates evil, would you worship that god?

          • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

            In other words, God favors those who believe in Him and you who does not believe, expects the same special treatment.

          • watchmannonthewall

            I think this is one of those situations that many get hung up on. When Abraham told Pharaoh Sarah was his sister, not only did he not lie, she was, he did not bear false witness and break the 9th commandment.

            The Word says we are not to bear false witness against another, which is exactly what satan did against God to Eve in the Garden. He lied to her about what God is really like. Sort of reminds me of today, you know? Isn’t it ironic that he did this in the hopes God would destroy Adam and Eve but as the Scripture says, what you are hoping to have happen to another about whom or to whom you are lying, is exactly what will happen to you! Measure for measure!!

            Scripture is filled with many such cases, though Abraham’s example might be the most often commented upon. Scripture says Abraham was afraid for his life, not that he was hoping God would destroy Pharaoh, even though he didn’t lie. I am not condoning being afraid God can’t take care of you, but this is very different than accusing Abraham of lying. We need to try and understand the knife’s edge application between the two sides of the knife, the double edged sword!

          • HumbleAmerican

            I understand your point, however, the god of the bible plagued Pharaohs house, when Pharaoh had no knowledge of her being his wife. A just and righteous god would, and should have understood this, and even plagued him after Pharaoh gave Abraham his wealth. Unacceptable in my opinion, if indeed the word is truth.

          • watchmannonthewall

            I also understand your point. Like Scripture says God’s ways are not ours, nor our thoughts His. I do not understand why He did it this way but the Creator can do as He wishes and it is up to us to try and understand what we can. Abraham did not lie. The Scriptural pattern, however, is unmistakeable! Perhaps there is something in the story God did not tell us just to see if we would trust Him instead of judge Him, yes? If we judge Him, we declare ourselves to be God, to be wiser than Him.
            Laban tried to make sure Jacob left without his house without any wealth, still he left with great wealth; Pharaoh oppressed the Israelites making them slaves, still they left with great wealth, just like Abraham; and at the end of days, when the LORD returns, all the wealth of the nations have stored up will again go to Israel. Perhaps that is the message God is trying to send to those who attempt to accumulate what He did not give them. If we let go, He will take care of things.

    • http://lastdayrapture.blogspot.com/2011/08/jesus-said-at-last-day.html TK

      Good points!

      • iris

        Agreed! Those who put their hope and trust in Christ’s loving sacrifice, start changing, often immediately. It’s a lifelong process, but we don’t want to practice a sinful lifestyle anymore. We care about what God says He cares about, we love others and want them to live, too. We can only live lives which please Him by living in faith, leaning on Him, and yet we all stumble. But the believer will confess sin when convicted by the Holy Spirit of it, ask for help, and move forward, knowing that He died for whatever it was, 2000 years ago and is faithful to keep all of His promises.

  • Phil Adelphia

    You cannot live wrong and die right

    • iris

      yes, as a wise person I know once said, “most people die the same way they live”.

  • Arizona

    I almost am speechless,THE CHURCH has been lost,less then 1% of church pastors will get into heaven,90 % of so called christians will be sent to hell,I’ve known OUR FATHER since 1955,enjoyed many talks with him,Sometimes even spending hours arguing with him,what a great GUY HE IS,OUR GOD is not a stick in the mud,HES BEYOND BRILLANT,talking to him is very exciting,there ain’t nothing he don’t know about,DON’T get the IDEA hes a push over either,HES VERY ORERY,thats one of the things I love most about him,I’ve been places,and seen things with him,laughed our head off together,EVERYONE in the UNIVERSE knows him well,except on planet earth,it does break his heart knowing this,AND HE DOES KNOW IT,yet he’s still trying to save as many as he can,THE PLANET EARTH IS GOING TO BE DESTROYED,and will have to be restored,he has it all planned out,HES SHOWN me the way it will look,BEYOND imagination….LOOK you guys,you don’t have much time left to get close to the LORD,hes a great guy too,OUR LORD wants to save you,GET on your knees,pray to him,repent of your sins and transgressions against him,HE’LL forgive you,HE does want to save everyone if he can,SO LET HIM,you won’t like whats coming on this earth as its ending and SATAN plans to destroy everyone if he can,AND that does include you,so stick close to the LORD,he’ll protect you and save your SOUL from satan,satan won’t get ANY of the LORDS PEOPLE,but WOE,WOE to the ones who don’t know our LORD…..and IF your a christian,DON’T ask the LORD what he can do for you,ASK HIM WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THE LORD,he has many jobs unfulfilled,and NEEDS YOUR HELP…so call on him today………

  • Semper Fortis

    as someone with jewish heritage i know more than you about your bible.
    not only what is in it, but WHERE it came from, WHO wrote it, and WHY they wrote it.
    The O.T. IS nothing more than a reworded Torah. FACT!!

    look back at the title! what is the OP is all about?

    right, stay at the kiddee table with your stunted and retarded logic.

    my point is that Christianity is a FALSE INVENTED religion from start to finish.

    GOYIM!!

    I could go to Israel at any time and then how would you feel?

    After all, I am chosen and you must give your life for me. before that, send me some of your money!

    THANKS

  • Ten Commandments

    Hi Michael, thanks for another thoughtful, well-written article. I just wanted to point out that ‘love’ is a defined term in the Scripture, which, as you know, is self-interpreting and not for private interpretation.

    The definition of ‘love’ is to keep the Ten Commandments, and the various other judgments and statutes that fall under the ten titles, or commandments.

    I would also add that the Israelites in the modern day, i.e., Anglo Saxons and Europeans, as well as Christians who have grafted onto God’s program, are bound by the Mosaic Covenant that’s found in the first five books of the Bible, meaning following the Ten Commandments.

    The punishment clause for not keeping the covenant is found in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28. Read those two chapters, and you’ll recognize what’s going on in the world today. You will be flabbergasted. If we want the punishment to stop and turn things around, we need to keep the covenant.

    It’s not a religion; it’s a code of law, and our ancestors obligated us to follow it 84 generations ago at the foot of Mt. Sinai.

    “The fool hath said in his heart there is no God.”

  • James

    America is on the exact same path to secularization that Europe has already gone down.

    YAAA!

    Now government decisions can be made without religion.

    Government can now fund HIV research, education curriculum not around religion, teach what other religions believe, no tax exemptions for churches, no religion tests, 10 commandment signs in courts,

  • Dylan

    Some of the “stupid” and “petty” things this doctrinal pacifist heretic is no doubt talking about are phrases like the following he would use.

    “we should not stand on petty things like creationism, evolution, there is space for understanding we evolved from apes, it does not mean the bible is not true”

    “we should not oppose women pastors, teachers and elders, there is no male or female in Christ and as long as Jesus is spread it does not matter who spreads him or how they do it”.

    “we should befriend catholics and all other faiths who beleive in jesus and call him Lord. The bible just said if you call him Lord then that is enough, so we should not separate ourselves from Jehovah’s witnesses, Pentecostals, Roman Catholics, Mormons, or any other religion who believes in jesus and calls him Lord or we are not loving the brethern”.

    “we should not make a doctrine out of things like abortion, some people have different views then us and that is ok and that is good, we should all love each other and strive to keep the peace between all” (some of the most vile satanic words ever spoken)

    “we should not oppose those who claim new revelation, new prophecies, there is no ending to the bible, it is being added whenever God gives a new word to some man or woman, we are the living bible and we speak the new words and new books daily, if we are not in tune with the Holy Spirit we will miss out on all these new words and new books He is giving the world”

    “we should love and not oppose those who deny what has been taught in christian history such as the Trinity, virgin birth, heaven, hell, etc. Jesus is open to all in love, and when we love and kiss each other the love of God makes us feel good inside and we can be released from the bondage of these petty doctrinal beliefs which don’t express the love of God like kissing and smiling and acceptance does”.

    “Muslims believe in the same God as Christians, and we all believe in jesus in our own way, and the more we reconcile our differences the more we can live in peace, we can call upon the name of Allah in the same way as we call upon the name of Jesus”.

    I can go on all day and all night. This is what heretic seducers of souls mean when they say “petty and stupid” differences. I heard one of these bastards in a sermon call the apostle paul himself a petty little man with all his stupid little doctrines meant to divide people.

    Fools don’t want to accept that Jesus did not come to bring together but rather to divide with a sword, the tool of war.

  • jimd

    I think we should stop pointing the finger at each other, and forgive and overlook differences. God does this to us. They are not poison but different organs and limbs.

  • James

    Calm down. Religious adherence will eventually increase because religious people have higher CBR’s than non-religious people.

    Non-religious people usually have have TFR’s that are under replacement rate, so everyone can calm down

  • Eddishun

    well, look at the example they have. You go to any Christian forum and it won’t take long to hear the hate speech about Obama (never mind Rom 13:1-3. What’s that?), ‘libruls’, Dems, this group, that group, you name it. So they spew hate all day then complain that it’s going on in the church? Am I missing something? It rolls downhill, ppl. They just imitate what they see every day. You send out hate you get it back…

    1 John 4:20
    If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?