A 40-Year-Old David Wilkerson Prophecy Is Being Fulfilled Right In Front Of Our Eyes

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David Wilkerson - YouTubeDavid Wilkerson was a legendary preacher that truly did hear from God, and a remarkable prophecy that he gave about 40 years ago is coming to pass right now.  After watching a video on our new YouTube channel, a viewer mentioned that something that my wife and I were talking about sounded exactly like something that David Wilkerson had said close to 40 years ago.  I was skeptical at first, but I checked it out.  And it turned out that this viewer was exactly correct.  Without even knowing it, for years I have been preaching virtually the exact same message that David Wilkerson prophesied nearly four decades ago, and today this prophecy is being fulfilled right in front of our eyes.

 

In his vision, Wilkerson saw the rise of two “super churches” in the last days.  The first “super church” would be deeply apostate, and it would include both Protestants and Catholics.  It would prominently use the name of Jesus Christ, but it would be “antichrist and political in many of its activities”

I see the rise of a super world church. I see the formation of a super world church council consisting of a union between liberal, ecumenical Protestants, and the Roman Catholic Church joining politically hand-in-hand to create one of the most powerful religious forces on earth. This union is going to start as a cooperative charity program and it will end in a political union. This visible super world church is going to be spiritual in name only, freely using the name of Jesus Christ, but will in fact be antichrist and political in many of its activities. This powerful church union will be deeply involved in social action, tremendous charity programs, and ministries of compassion. Its leaders will make statements about meeting human needs. They will send out a call for social action, political intervention, and a greater voice in world affairs.

There is going to be a sudden mysterious chain of events. Just when it appears the ecumenical movement is nearly dead, a rather mysterious chain of events will bring about the framework for this union. Rome is going to insist on and receive concessions from the Protestant ecumenical leaders. The Pope will be considered more of a political than a spiritual leader of this church union.

And this is definitely what we are seeing today.  The vast majority of the churches in the western world have already gone apostate, and we are seeing a major push for churches and religious organizations to work together to achieve political and social goals.

I believe that we are witnessing the early stages of the emergence of a one world religion.  The Pope and other prominent religious leaders are speaking of the need to “come together” and to acknowledge that “all religions are different paths to the same God”.  Unity has become a major theme, and the Pope in particular has been making a major ecumenical push.  For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled “One World Religion: Pope Francis Says All Major Religions Are ‘Meeting God In Different Ways’“.

But what really got my attention was the second part of Wilkerson’s prophecy.

He saw the rise of a “supernatural invisible church” that would include believers from all churches and all denominations and that would become “a kind of underground church” in the last days…

I see the rise of a super church, a supernatural invisible church, a union of deeply spiritual followers of Jesus Christ, bound together through the Holy Spirit and mutual confidence in Christ and in his word.

This supernatural church of true believers will become a kind of underground church. It will include Catholics and Protestants of all denominations, young and old, black and white, and people of all nations. While this visible super church gains political power this invisible body of believers will grow tremendously in spiritual power.

This power will come from persecution. The persecution madness that is coming upon this earth will drive these Christians closer together and closer to Jesus Christ. They will be less concerned about denominational ties and more concerned and emphasis on the coming of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit will bring together as one people in all walks of life.

Without even knowing it, I have been preaching virtually the exact same message for the past couple of years.  God burned this message into my heart, and even though I wasn’t sure that people were ready to receive it, I have been preaching this message wherever I go.  God is raising up a Remnant in these last days, and this Remnant is going to shake the world.  This Remnant is going to keep the commandments of God, it is going to bring in the greatest harvest of souls the world has ever seen, and it is going to move in the power of the Holy Spirit like we haven’t seen since the Book of Acts.  It cuts across all churches and all denominations, and there is no individual or organization in charge of it.  It is an organic move of God that is happening all over the planet, and even though we may know what is happening, there is no guarantee that any of us will get to be part of it.  My wife and I are constantly praying that we could be part of this great move of God that is coming, because we very much want to fulfill the purpose for why God put us here.

Back in 2013, I gave the Remnant a very prominent role in my novel entitled “The Beginning Of The End“.  I have talked about the Remnant in countless radio interviews, I have written about the Remnant in my articles, I preached about it on the DVDs that I did last year, and now my wife and I are proclaiming this message in our new television show.

A sleeping giant is rising, and it is primarily happening outside of the institutional church.

In fact, the institutional church is in danger of being completely left behind by this new move of God.  I know that a lot of church leaders out there are not going to want to hear this, but it is true.  Most of the institutional church has already gone apostate, and much of the rest of it is dead asleep.

Because I proclaim this message so much, I constantly hear from people all over the world that God is raising up to be part of this Remnant.  Last month, I got the opportunity to preach about the Remnant at an evening service down at Morningside.  Just hours before the service, I received an email from an assistant to a pastor in a Lutheran church in northwestern Pennsylvania, and this email is a perfect example of what God is doing.  The following is an excerpt from that email…

I felt compelled to write to you. It sounds so similar to my own journey with Christ.

I presently live in a small town in northwestern Pennsylvania and am serving as an assistant to the pastor in our Lutheran church. My wife and I were missionaries for 51/2 years in the east African nation of Tanzania before returning home in 2011 to take care of elderly parents. I’ve been an avid student of Bible prophecy for over 30 years and it was shortly after we came back from overseas that I experienced what my wife and I both consider an “angelic” visit. The conversation lasted about 10 minutes with the “messenger” urging me in the most forceful terms to “warn the people” of what is soon coming upon our nation and the world. I knew exactly what he meant and felt deeply convicted to reach others with a “last days” message.

All over the world people are having encounters with God, and they are being instructed to proclaim a “last days message” while there is still time.

Unfortunately, most churches today won’t receive this kind of message.  Many pastors even know exactly what is coming, but they won’t warn the people.  There is such a fear that if people get offended they won’t keep coming back and won’t keep putting money in the offering plate.

So a lot of these churches have adopted a “me-centered gospel” that features Jesus as a self-help coach.  They purposely avoid using words like “sin” because they don’t ever want anyone to feel uncomfortable, and they only focus on select passages from the Bible that make people feel good.

Of course this watered-down gospel has turned out horribly for the church in America.  People are leaving our dead churches in droves, and this is especially true of our young people.

If you go into most churches today, you will mostly find “the greys”, and I am not talking about aliens.  I love my elderly friends, but where are all of the young people?  Yes, there are a few of them around, but a whole host of surveys have shown that young adults in America are generally far, far less “Christian” than their parents were.

But that doesn’t mean that all is lost.  There is tremendous spiritual hunger out there, and people are searching for something real.  We are seeing believers all over America gather in home Bible studies and home churches, and the underground church that David Wilkerson prophesied is very much becoming a reality.

Just yesterday, I was contacted by a wonderful sister in Missouri that wants my wife and I to come down there and help teach a small group of believers.  Unfortunately, we can’t be everywhere at once, and we very much feel called to stay at our current location for now.  But I was so encouraged to hear from another member of the Remnant, and it turns out that what God is doing in her life is so similar to what God is doing in our lives.

Like I said, this is a supernatural thing.  Just like we have seen throughout history, the institutional church has gotten old and stale, and God is doing an “end run” around the traditions of man as He brings in the next move.

Of course there are still some churches that are doing a great job, and if you have found one of those churches you should definitely appreciate it, because it is rare to find a church where God is really moving these days.

Earlier today, I got an email from a man of God that just spoke with a pastor that has suddenly seen God start to move tremendously in his ministry.  The following is an excerpt from that email…

I was on the phone yesterday with a pastor, him being in total shock at the supernatural explosion in his ministry. Healing, deliverance, angelic visitations and the presence of God filling the church. The supernatural is totally off the scale. In Scripture is says in 1 Cor 2:9

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Now that the pastors eyes are opened this scripture takes on a new meaning. I am so excited to see this happening. I wanted you to know.

The Remnant is rising.  The “supernatural invisible church” that David Wilkerson prophesied about close to 40 years ago has become a reality, and this is the primary topic of our latest television show.  You can watch what my wife and I have to share right here

In addition, the Remnant is a major theme in my brand new book that was just released entitled “The Rapture Verdict“.  A lot of people look forward to the last days with fear and trembling, but that should not be the case.  We have so much to look forward to, and this Remnant was prophesied by the Apostle John nearly 2000 years ago in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 12:17; 14:12).  The greatest hour of the people of God is coming, and so it is time for the church to wake up.  We are going to write the end of the story, and we are going to bring in the greatest harvest of souls in all of history right before the return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

So do not fear the hard times and persecution that are coming.  Yes, Jesus told us that the period of time just before He returns will be the worst period of time in all of human history, but it will also be a time of purification and maturing for His bride.

Without His help we can do nothing, but with His help we will experience the greatest move of God the church has ever known, and we can become the kind of bride that He deserves.

Jesus deserves a bride that is wildly and madly and passionately in love with Him, and we stand on the precipice of the most dramatic time in all of human history.

As far as my wife and I are concerned, there is no other place that we would rather be than right here, and there is no other time we would rather be alive than right now.

We have reached the culmination of all things, and the time of the greatest spiritual warfare in history is directly in front of us.

We will not bend, we will not bow and we will not break.  In the midst of overwhelming odds, we will stand and fight for our Lord and Savior, and in the end we will receive the crown of life.

If the Holy Spirit is tugging at your heart right now, I encourage you to join the Remnant.  You don’t have to join any organization or send your money anywhere.  All you have to do is to surrender your entire heart to Jesus, and ask Him to make you into the person that He created you to be.

Darkness is rising, but so is the Remnant.  And someday people will look back and they will remember the courageous men and women that refused to back down and that did not love their lives even unto death.

In the Book of Revelation, it talks about believers that will overcome the enemy in the last days by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony.

Take up your sword, choose to be a light, and get ready for the greatest time that God’s people have ever known.

We are going to be the people that prepare the way for the glorious return of Jesus Christ, and you were born for such a time as this.

*About the author: Michael Snyder is the founder and publisher of End Of The American Dream. Michael’s controversial new book about Bible prophecy entitled “The Rapture Verdict” is available in paperback and for the Kindle on Amazon.com.*

  • Bogdan

    The Roman Catholic Church split from the True Church of Christ about 1000 years ago. At the time of the Reformation, the Roman Catholic Church had already been in heresy for about 5 centuries. Rather than going back to the True Church, the Protestants went even further away…
    See Peter Gillquist’s book “Becoming Orthodox”. Also, see Clark Carlton’s books “The Way” and “The Truth”.

    • krinks

      Sorry the moment I saw Orthodox Churches praying to and bowing down to kiss a picture was the moment I knew them to be idolaters and apostate.

      • Bogdan

        Weren’t there the images (sculptures?) of two cherubim placed in the Old Testament Temple? Was that idolatry? See Exodus 25:18 and 2 Chronicles 3:10.

        If you kiss the picture of your wife/child/mother, is that idolatry?

        When ancient people were bowing down before the emperor, or before a local governor, as it was the custom back then, was that idolatry?

        Doesn’t it seem weird to you that ideas such as Sola Scriptura were unknown in the Church for about 1500 years? Has the Church been in error for 15 centuries?

        When Christ ascended to heaven, did He leave behind a Book? On the day of Pentecost, did God send (or dictate) a book? No, God established His Church, and He sent the Holy Spirit to guide her, not a book.

        • Kat T

          “When ancient people were bowing down before the emperor,”
          Daniel and the furnace.

        • krinks

          I don;t pray to a picture of my mother. No one prayed to the cherubim. Yes the pagan churches have been in error for centuries. You are idolaters.

  • UtVivantAli

    It seems the author is advocating a form of replacement theology. I believe the “Remanent” to be the Messianic Jews….not the Church. I also believe there is much evidence for a pre-trib Rapture. The time of Jacob’s trouble is meant for the Jewish people…not the Church.

    • Shirley Toney

      He is not talking about the Jewish Remnant. Of course there will be a Jewish Remnant. He is using the term remnant to refer to the regular people standing up for Jesus and spreading the way of salvation.

    • The Church existed in the OT too, according to Stephen (Acts 7). The term is simply ekklesia (the assembly). The church has always existed because it has always been believers of all ages (jew or gentile).

      • UtVivantAli

        Tim not sure I understand the point that you’re trying to make…I do believe there will be people that turn to God after the Rapture….and witness for His sake. Shirley I would say the same to you. But the Bride of Christ will be raptured before the time of trial.

        • watchmannonthewall

          The point Tim is making is that the OT was translated from the Hebrew Scriptures and the NT was translated from the Greek. If one were to look at the Greek Septuigant, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures by Jews at Alexandria Egypt (about 265 BC), one would find the NT Greek word “ekklesia”, all throughout the OT. If the English translators had translated the OT from Greek to English instead of from Hebrew to English, the term “church” would be all over the OT the same as it is for the NT.

          Therefore, we rightly concluded there is no difference. If A=B and B=C, then A=C. If “congregation/assembly” = “ekklesia”, and “ekklesia” = “church”, then “congregation/assembly” = “church”.

          Paul tells us in Romans 9:6-8, that “not all Israel are descended from Israel [Jacob], neither are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants [this includes the Jews who were but one tribe from Jacob]” This let’s us know it is those who believe and obey the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who make up Israel. The linage is not reckoned of the “flesh”, but to ALL those who believe God’s promise to “the fathers”.
          Additionally, Paul says “remember, that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh…were at that time seperate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel…but now in Christ Jesus you who were formerly afar off have been brought near [have been brought INTO the commonwealth of Israel].” (Eph. 2:11-13) Paul said, “we are no longer a Gentile”, which Biblically means a heathen or a pagan. Rather, we have now been joined to Israel though Christ Jesus who brought us into His body.

          Paul adds in Galatians 6:15-16, “For neither is circumcision [being a Jew] anything, nor uncircumcision [being a Gentile], but a new creation [is what is important]. And those who will walk by this rule [walk in righteousness instead of sin, as a new creation], peace and mercy be upon them and upon THE ISRAEL OF GOD.” God only has one people, one faith, but it is made up of Jews and Gentiles grafted together into one body, Messiah’s! This fact allows Paul to state, after speaking of this grafting together of Gentiles and Jews into Messiah, “And thus ALL Israel will be saved”, in Romans 11:26. He said this because ONLY Israel will be saved!

          • Joan Camara

            Wow, I just love someone trying to explain all the differences in this word, or verse, to this bible, or that bible. I can just see satan laughing. Because he made man WRITE aaalll those different bibles to have EVERYONE argue about this word or that word, that verse says this in Greek, or that verse means that, in Hebrew. Can’t people see why there’s sooo many denominations of churches, why there’s so many different bibles??? CAN’T ANYONE SEE the devil at work, and laughing?? Truly the saddest thing in my world, is to listen to people who don’t know what authority they are under. Words are changed, verses don’t say the same thing…on and on…think about it! And then read this in the KING JAMES version…THE ONE AND ONLY!

            Revelation 22:18-19

            18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the word of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto hiim the plagues that are written in this book;
            19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

            This is the FIRST book translated into english, and from that bible onward, man (under satan’s rule) has made OTHER bibles, with OTHER words, and OTHER verses. I beg EVERYONE to stay away from them! Thank you for reading, and understanding, as I really hope you do!

          • watchmannonthewall

            Joan, I love my KJV! My father used to sit with us as a family every morning and we memorized verses from it. Then I bought a Thompson Chain KJV in the late 70″s, that was even better!
            Interestingly, today Israel is back in the land and the language of Hebrew has been restored to the people. The language had been lost! God said in Zephaniah (3:9), “I will turn to the people a pure language that they may call upon the LORD to serve Him with one consent.” To seve with one consent means they have to agree on the language, and definitions, God chooses. Did He chose English or Hebrew? What language was it written in and people of which nation wrote it?
            Do you know the Hebrew at the time of Moses was a pictorial language, much like Egyptian’s heirogliphics? Do you think it might be a bit difficult to put pictures into exact words and be completely accurate?
            It is impossible to translate from Hebrew to Engish with 100% accuracy, or any language for that matter, but especially so when translating from pictures to words. The translators did a very good job withthe OT, as a comparison to the Dead Sea Scrolls attest.
            Nonetheless, the Hebrew language is a more precise language, as is the Greek, than English. In fact, I just learned the English imported Pharisees to help with translating the Hebrew OT to the English KJV translation. Since England kicked the Jews out about 1200 and didn’t allow them back in until 1675, I had wondered who performed the translation. Obviously the English didn’t know some things bout the OT or they would never have called Pasche, Easter, in the NT!
            The more I learn about God and His ways, the more I understand how much there is to learn, from everyone!

          • Donny Chartrand

            joan that is exactly right and what satan wants is to turn true christians against each other when we are supposed to encourage and strengthen one another in Christ.and not worry about when the rapture occurs but to watch and pray that we will be found worthy to stand before God.We are supposed to be like Jesus and be about the Fathers business and stop this squabbling and start looking forward to the great harvest for Christ.

        • Joan Camara

          The beheadings for NOT taking the mark is during the 7 year tribulation? Agree? Who are the thousands that will be getting that mark (to buy or sell)? Sounds like you said all the christians are gone before that horrible thing happens. Gee, I guess that means aaaallll those bad people will beheaded. Well, isn’t that wonderful, that we will be in heaven, all those thousands? of bad people get killed?

        • Joan Camara

          Then what is Revelation for? I guess we shouldn’t even bother with all those prophecies, because we will be raptured already right? Let’s just skip learning those prophecies. We don’t need to worry about the mark, and the trumpets, the bowls, etc etc. Let the sinners read that, we won’t need it! (Sarcasm mine).

          God tells us that if we take the time to read and study Revelation, He will give us a special blessing. “Blessed is he who reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is near.” (Rev 1:3)

          We don’t have to worry about the ending of the bible.. We are going to skip all that, right? Since we’ll be gone!… I’ll stop reading revelation, RIGHT now!!

          And if we’re gone before the trib, who are the thousands that get beheaded for NOT taking the mark?

    • krinks

      Amen Brother. These is a reason the 144,000 are from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. The Church will be gone and the remnant will be Messianic Jewish.
      1 Thess 4 – the Lord comes FOR his Saints
      End of Rev – the Lord comes WITH his Saints and they are already dressed in white.
      For the life of me I can’t figure out the motivation of those that would pervert the gospel and teach anything other than a Pre Trib Rapture.

      • Bill G Wilminton NC

        With the best intentions I am sure…………

      • UtVivantAli

        I’d be a sister not a brother…lol! No worries though! I too fail to understand all these other teachings. The scriptures are pretty plain. I believe the Lord wrote them for all people to know and understand – not just for the elite or scholars. Above, Tim claims that the Church was present in the Old Testament and although he didnt give me an exact verse…Acts 7:38 in the King James Version translates to “the church in the wilderness” – and clearly this is a reference to the Israelites….not the Bride of Christ, so Im unsure where folks are going with that. The actual Bride didn’t come about until the 12 Apostles before Pentecost and Jesus saying in Matt 16:18 – “And I also say to you that you are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church”. Seems pretty clear cut ….so why folks want to complicate it is beyond me. Keep lookin up my friend! :D

        • With Fortitude

          Are you saying there is no salvation by grace after the rapture?

          • Jacynthia Read

            People, both Jew and Gentile, will be saved during the Tribulation.

          • UtVivantAli

            Nope not saying that at all.

          • With Fortitude

            Great Ut, I also believe this to be true. What would you say to the dispensationalist who believes after the church is gone salvation by grace is no longer in effect?

          • UtVivantAli

            Ive not heard anyone say that… however if that were the case, I would tell them that God would still provide grace/salvation to those who turn to Him during the tribulation. Because I believe in a pre trib rapture, those who are left behind will go thru a time of trial…some will turn to God..some will not. Those who do will be saved. It seems so simple to me, yet so many make it extremely complicated. God is not the author of confusion, and yet it seems to me that a lot of confusion is being sown here.

          • With Fortitude

            Yes it’s dispensationalism and the belief is also pre trib but it blew me away because the gospels and salvation ; I believe are explained better through it. If you haven’t studied it it’s worth studying.

          • Joan Camara

            Then what is Revelation for? I guess we shouldn’t even bother with all those prophecies, because we will be raptured already right? Let’s just skip learning those prophecies. We don’t need to worry about the mark, and the trumpets, the bowls, etc etc. Let the sinners read that, we won’t need it! (Sarcasm mine).

            God tells us that if we take the time to read and study Revelation, He will give us a special blessing. “Blessed is he who reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is near.” (Rev 1:3)

            We don’t have to worry about the ending of the bible.. We are going to skip all that, right? Since we’ll be gone!… I’ll stop reading revelation, RIGHT now!!

            And if we’re gone before the trib, who are the thousands that get beheaded for NOT taking the mark?

        • Joan Camara

          The beheadings for NOT taking the mark (to buy or sell) will be during the 7 year tribulation. Who are the thousands that get beheaded? Just all bad people? I will be one who will NOT take the mark (of the beast). What do you that makes me? A christian or a demon?

        • watchmannonthewall

          Actually the Bride occurred at Sinai. “Go and proclaim in the ears of Jerusalem, saying, ‘Thus says the LORD, “I remember concerning the devotion of your youth, the love of your betrothals ( Strong’s #3623- “kluwlah- bridehood”, i.e., “the love of your bridehood”), your following after Me in the wilderness, through a land not sown.”‘” God took Israel for a bride at Sinai. Later He divorced the northern 10 tribes lead by Ephraim.

          “Then the LORD said to me in the days of Josiah the king, ‘Have you seen what faithless Israel did? She went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and she was a harlot there…and I saw for all the adulteries of faithless israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorcement, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.'” (Jer. 3:6-8) Pretty obvious this is marriage language!

          Paul teaches on this in Romans 7:1-5, where he tells the audience “I am speaking to those who know the Law”. Which Law is he talking about? Specifically, it is the one in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 where we are told if a man gives his wife a bill of divorcement and she marries another, if her second husband dies the first husband CANNOT remarry his previous wife. It is an abomination.

          God has to abide by His own decrees also! If He doesn’t, He breaks His own Law! He can’t just decide to allow remarriage without deaths! This is one way we know the Law never passed away. God keeps it Himself!

          What is Paul trying to teach us? The northern 10 tribes, which God divorced, CANNOT be restored to God [Jesus] as a wife, unless BOTH husband and wife die. This is why God did not allow Abraham to walk through the sacrifce at the “Covenant of the Pieces” in Genesis 15. Jesus agreed there to pay the penalty of death for the sins of the bride! This is one principle reason Jesus had to die, to restore the northern 10 tribes to a right relationship, that of His bride, to Himself!

          We, as the divorced wife, also have to die and be raised in newness of life so we can be married to a resurrected man as a new Bride! Do you think God can marry a used bride?
          This is why John wrote that when the spear was thrust in His side, water and blood came out. When a baby is born, what comes out? It was so we would understand His death was for our life, the new birth, and restoration. His rising again with a new bride is symbolic of Adam being put into a deep sleep and having God perform a surgery, take Eve from His side, and when He woke up he had a new partner that was “bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh”. So did Jesus when He arose!
          Chaper 6 of Romans is all about our death to sin and walking in righteousness, a helpmate, suitable, for our Husband! The beginning of chapter 7 is about His death as the first husband! This is why He said He came ONLY for the lost sheep of the house of Israel and told His disciples to go ONLY to them also.

      • Joan Camara

        Who are the thousands who will be beheaded for NOT taking the mark (to buy or sell)? Just the bad people get beheaded? Or you don’t believe in Revelations? Or…?

        • krinks

          They evangelize the Earth.

      • Joan Camara

        Then what is Revelation for? I guess we shouldn’t even bother with all those prophecies, because we will be raptured already right? Let’s just skip learning those prophecies. We don’t need to worry about the mark, and the trumpets, the bowls, etc etc. Let the sinners read that, we won’t need it! (Sarcasm mine).
        God tells us that if we take the time to read and study Revelation, He will give us a special blessing. “Blessed is he who reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is near.” (Rev 1:3)

        We don’t have to worry about the ending of the bible.. We are going to skip all that, right? Since we’ll be gone!… I’ll stop reading revelation, RIGHT now!!

        And if we’re gone before the trib, who are the thousands that get beheaded for NOT taking the mark?

        • krinks

          First thing is you need to stop listening to false teachers. You’re quoting Rick Wiles word for word.

    • Scott

      Those who teach a rapture after the tribulation are confused in their believing that Christ’s return to Mt Olives is the same event as the gathering of the church in the air. The events are completely separate and different in nature. When Christ returns to Mt Olives to set up his millennium rule and specific judgement of Israel he will be separating the sheep from the goats across the four corners of the earth. So the event can’t be the same event as the gathering of the church discussed in Thessalonians because there would be no sheep left on earth to be gathered, since they’ve already met Christ in the air and been taken. Two separate events with different purposes.

      • UtVivantAli

        Amen Scott. It also negates the imminence of Christ’s return. If we all knew He was going to return right after the tribulation, we could slack off till that time – and yet Christ warned us that He would come like a thief in the night and NO man knew the day or the hour.

        • Joan Camara

          You said, “we could slack off, if we knew He was going to return right AFTER the tribulation” YEAH, you could say we’d all be slackin! The tribulation would 7 years of horrors that no one has never seen before!! If we made it through it, yeah we would all sure need a rest after THAT!! Perhaps you made a mistake in your comment?

          • watchmannonthewall

            Good point!

          • Kathleen Marion

            Keep in mind scripture says to the Church of Philadelphia I will keep you through the coming trial. Now if there is a pre trib why then does God say that the only church who is truly on fire for the Lord and shows love is going to be KEPT through the trials while all the luke warm churches are having a party in heaven? Also while all of Egypt experienced the darkness, water of blood, frogs, locust and other plagues, those who lived in Goshen (the Hebrews) did not, they were protected. God will protect those who are truly following him.

          • Scott

            The message to the Church of Philadelphia actually states “I also will keep you from the hour of testing”

          • Kathleen Marion

            Depends on the translation you have but either way it’s talking about the tribulation. Which means the most beloved of the churches is not raptured out of here pretrib so why would we think the rest were?

          • Scott

            The passage “I also will keep you from the hour of testing” means the church will be raptured and spared.

          • Joan Camara

            Then what is Revelation for? I guess we shouldn’t even bother with all those prophecies, because we will be raptured already right? Let’s just skip learning those prophecies. We don’t need to worry about the mark, and the trumpets, the bowls, etc etc. Let the sinners read that, we won’t need it! No, not me…I read revelation and study it all the time.

            God tells us that if we take the time to read and study Revelation, He will give us a special blessing. “Blessed is he who reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is near.” (Rev 1:3)

            We don’t have to worry about the ending of the bible.. We are going to skip all that, right? Since we’ll be gone! I’ll stop all of revelation, RIGHT now!!
            Also if we’re gone before the trib, who are the thousands that get beheaded for NOT taking the mark?

          • UtVivantAli

            No mistake. I believe in a pre trib rapture…He could come at any time, hence His statement…”keep watch..no man knows the day or the hour” If He was coming after the tribulation..it would negate His imminency.

          • Joan Camara

            Then what is Revelation for? I guess we shouldn’t even bother with all those prophecies, because we will be raptured already right? Let’s just skip learning those prophecies. We don’t need to worry about the mark, and the trumpets, the bowls, etc etc. Let the sinners read that, we won’t need it!
            No, not me…I read revelation and study it all the time.

            God tells us that if we take the time to read and study Revelation, He will give us a special blessing. “Blessed is he who reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is near.” (Rev 1:3)

            We don’t have to worry about the ending of the bible.. We are going to skip all that, right? Since we’ll be gone! I’ll stop all of revelation, RIGHT now!!

        • watchmannonthewall

          We have heard of, “The Feast of Trumpets.” The Jews know this day by a different name, “The Day No Man Knows”. Hummm! A day no one knows that involves the blowing of trumpets. Seems to me there is a someone in Scripture who referred to such a day by telling us he was speaking of a “mystery” that would occur “at the last trump/shofar.”
          Jesus died on Passover, was laid on the grave on the 1st day of Unleavened Bread [He was the Bread from Heaven], and was raised on the day of the Firstfruits offering. Matthew tells us many OT saints graves were marked at His death, opened at his resurrection, and those raised appeared to many in the “holy city”. (Mt. 27:50-53) He took these with Him when He appeared before the heavenly altar [lead captivity captive] to wave them before the Father. They were also firstfruits! He then poured out the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost/Shavuot [gave gifts to men].
          Do you see the pattern? Four days God tells us we are to observe all become significant days in the life of Jesus Christ and for us. That leaves only the “Fall Feasts” unfulfilled. By the way, Paul told the Corinthian Gentile(?) church they were to keep Passover and Unleavened Bread in 1 Cor. 5:6-8, and part of verse 8 is actually a quote from Joshua 24:14. Paul was arrested at Jerusalem, where he had gone in an attempt to keep God’s appointed time, Pentecost/Shavuot. (Acts 20:16).
          Paul told us we are not to allow others to judge us for keeping GOD’s appointed times, found in Lev. 23:1-2. In Colossians 2:16 he informs us these appointed times, Sabbaths, are “a mere shadow of what is to come [future tense]; but the substance is Christ.” We have already looked at how Christ is the substance of the first four of God’s Feasts. What about the last three?
          The Feast of Trumpets is the day of the resurrection and gathering of Israel (Deut 30:4 & Is. 27:12-13). The battle of Armageddon occurs on the Day of Atonement and harkens back to the the day the death angel slew the firstborn Egyptians and redeemed the Israelites and those who joined them. Ther are many references to this day in the OT. On this day, those who are killed are “taken” as were the Egyptians and those in the Flood. Those who remain are “left behind”, as were the living Israelites and Noah and his family. Not quite what we have been taught by our leaders! I plan to be “left behind”, LORD willing!
          Regarding the last Feast, Sukkot or Tabernacles, this is the day of the wedding of the Groom and Bride. He begins to “dwell” with His Bride and this is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
          Just as the first 4 feasts or appointed times were all fulfilled in just about 55 days by Jesus (50 days between Firstfruits and Shavuot), the last three will all be fulfilled by Him in just over 3 weeks. God is very consistant. There is no deviation or new program specially made up for the “Church”. Everyone has to come by “the Blood” and the whole family has to abide by the same rules of conduct set by the Father! No Father has different rules for differnt people in his household, unless he wants trouble.

          • Kathleen Marion

            The feast of Rosh Hashanah (Blowing of the Trumpets) is called the feast that no one knows the day and the time. Sound familiar? It is the only feast that is on the first day of the new moon which is God’s Holy Day. In order to determine the new moon the members of the Sanhedrin had to have testimony from two or three witnesses from different parts of Israel. Once that testimony was given fires were lit on the mountain tops to signal the beginning of the Holy Day of Rosh Hashanah. Thus the clue that was given is that the Messiah will come on a day when no one knows the day or the time, but we do know the season!

          • watchmannonthewall

            Absolutely! Thank you for the additional iinformation.

          • Jen Mason

            Excellent, also who was Jesus talking to when He said these things, Jewish people who were very familiar with Rosh Hashanah. They knew exactly what He was talking about.

          • Jen Mason

            Excellent!!!

      • Mike

        The dead in Christ rise and then those that are alive. We are caught up to meet the Lord in the air as He comes down to defeat the enemy and establish His 1000 year reign when Satan is bound during that time. You are mistaken. The Rapture, the Second Coming, the Day of the Lord are all one event that occurs at the end of the 7 year tribulation. Jesus will have the saints (Sheep) on the right and those with the mark of the beast (goats) on the left. Those with the mark go to hell awaiting the white throne judgement and the saints go into the millennial reign. Zechariah 14:16 says the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will be the un-resurrected inhabitants described in Revelation 20.

        To UtVivantAli •

        The remnant is comprised of believing Jews and Gentiles in the last days. In Revelation it says that Satan goes after Israel and then gives up for a time and goes after the saints among the nations.

        • Scott

          Nothing in scripture backs up your statement “We are caught up to meet the Lord in the air as He comes down” and such statements are simply made up by post-tribulation rapture believers to make the two separate events one event.

          • 7 year covenant,
            “peace” with divisions and probably temple building,
            Then mid-week break at 3 and 1/2 years with abomination that make the desolate “stand in the holy place”,
            then shall be tribulation as never has been,
            then rapture followed by marriage supper of lamb in the heavenlies, while cups of wrath are poured out on earth,
            then we return with Christ,
            then cleanup and millennium.

        • Maddog

          You are spot on however you will never get many of the pampered Americans to believe. They believe they “deserve” to be raptured before actually doing anything to deserve anything especially rapture.

        • TrumpTEA ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

          The phrase “the Day of the Lord” is more properly understood in a “generic” sense that covers all of the events of the end times.
          Example: We are living in a “day” of smart phones.

          The “rapture” or “catching away” occurs at the beginning of the Great Tribulation (Rev 4:1 – “Come up hither”) with the Tribulation events following (Rev 5-21).

          But, smarter people that either you or me had disagreed on the topic before.

        • John Nolan

          Why do people fail to recognize there is only three and one half years for the Jews, the 144,000, as the first half of Daniel’s prophecy was fulfilled by the first coming of Jesus, to the Jews.
          His return to Israel is after the catching away of Christ’s Bride, 1Thes.4:15-16
          Then the Word goes back to Israel, with the return of the two prophets, Moses and Elijah, and that event, to Israel alone, introduces the tribulation.

      • TrumpTEA ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

        You are correct sir, the “2nd Coming” is a specific event that occurs at the end of the tribulation when Jesus Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives.
        The “catching away” (rapture, being the French/English translation of the Latin raptura or rapturo which is a translation of the Hebrew word harpazo) happens seven years prior before the man of sin is revealed.
        It occurs in Revelation 4:1 “Come up hither”.

        “Two separate events with different purposes.” well said.

      • whisperingsage

        Daniel 7:7-28; Dan 11; 21-24,27, 31-39; Dan 12; Zeph-The Day of the LORD is a Day of Wrath; Zeph 1:14-16; Rev 7, Matt 24:29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION..vs 29-31, Rev 11:15-18 the seventh trumpet, 1 Cor 15:52 the last trump is the 7th trump 2 Thess 2:1-9 (..for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition..) Rev 14:14-20 the harvest -Son of Man harvests wheat, another angel harvest grapes of WRATH. Rev 15:1-4 Them that had gotten the victory over the beast and over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name …having the harps of God… sing a new song.
        Rev 16 1-21 Angels pour out the 7 VIALS of WRATH! Tribulation is NOT wrath! They are different! Peter and Paul says to expect tribulation. Time and time again. Search for tribulation on Blue letter Bible. Then search for Day of the LORD. The Day of the LORD is the wrath specifically. The believers are up in heaven by then (Rev 15) Then comes the wrath, a single Day. Rev 20:4-6 This is the FIRST RESURRECTION….on such the second death hath no power….

    • Quetzol-43

      No mention of Islam.

      • UtVivantAli

        Im sorry Q…I apologize if you misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to the Jewish people not Islam. :)

    • Joan Camara

      Don’t be disappointed when the tribulation starts and your still here. One question for ya to think about….where are thousands that are beheaded for not taking the mark, going to be? Don’t you realize we HAVE to be here? Jesus died for you, would you not die for HIIM?

      • UtVivantAli

        Of course I would die for Him – is this a discussion or an opportunity for one to act self -righteous?….I believe the ones who refuse the mark are those who wake up to the realization that they have been left behind for their unbelief and at that time they will turn to Christ..and then they are the ones who become the martyrs due to their refusal to take the mark or bow down to the Beast.

        • Joan Camara

          What is Revelation for? I guess we shouldn’t even bother with all those prophecies, because we will be raptured already right? Let’s just skip learning those prophecies. We don’t need to worry about the mark, and the trumpets, the bowls, etc etc. Let the sinners read that, we won’t need it! (Sarcasm mine).

          God tells us that if we take the time to read and study Revelation, He will give us a special blessing. “Blessed is he who reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is near.” (Rev 1:3)

          We don’t have to worry about the ending of the bible.. We are going to skip all that, right? Since we’ll be gone!… I’ll stop reading revelation, RIGHT now!!

    • Kathleen Marion

      Although I don’t agree with the pre trib theory. I do agree that he either doesn’t know the Messianic movement exists or is trying to fit the church into the role of the Messianic movement that already exists, but the remnant is Jewish, but also contains gentiles who are following Torah with their Jewish brethren.

    • Tom Tom

      Could be, but that doesn’t mean we won’t deal with persecution. The tribulation is about the vials, etc., poured out onto the earth. Persecution has happened in every age.

  • Losenot

    Very true indeed, the Lord is raising up an Army of elects who are ready to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth regardless of the consequences that may follow them. We are going to see millions and millions of young and old people turning their back to Satan and giving their lives to Jesus. There is a powerful Revival coming up before the coming of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And the time is now. People will fall away from worshipping Satan enmass. They will say enough is enough and get saved. For they shall know the truth and the truth shall set them free.
    Keep up your good work brother !!!

  • John Francis

    There are sources that predicted these things well over 100 years a go. I suggest reading The Great Controversy by Mrs. Ellen G. White. For example she stated, “our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and Republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions.” The pontiff of Rome just spoke before Congress for the first time in American history. The pope went on about “the greater good” – the greater good as defined by whom? He clearly is preparing minds for a revival of tyranny and persecution, even in free America.

    These events are leading up to the enforcement of the papal sabbath, Sunday, as a national day of rest, and this enforcement will be the equivalent of making the Ten Commandments void in America, which will fill up America’s cup of iniquity and be followed by national ruin. A few quotes by Ellen White from well over 100 years a go:

    Roman Catholic principles will be taken under the care and protection of the state. This national apostasy will speedily be followed by national ruin.–RH June 15, 1897. (Compare this prediction with this W. Bush statement: “The best way to honor Pope John Paul II, truly one of the great men, is to take his teaching seriously; is to listen to his words and put his words and teachings into action here in America. This is a challenge we must accept.” – President George W. Bush, March 21, 2001.)

    There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin. –Manuscript 51, 1899.

    The people of the United States have been a favored people; but when they restrict religious liberty, surrender Protestantism, and give countenance to popery, the measure of their guilt will be full, and “national apostasy” will be registered in the books of heaven. The result of this apostasy will be national ruin. Mar 216.

    When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin. –Manuscript 51, 1899.

    It is at the time of the national apostasy when, acting on the policy of Satan, the rulers of the land will rank themselves on the side of the man of sin. It is then the measure of guilt is full. The national apostasy is the signal for national ruin.–2SM 373 (1891).

    When our nation, in its legislative councils, shall enact laws to bind the consciences of men in regard to their religious privileges, enforcing Sunday observance, and bringing oppressive power to bear against those who keep the seventh-day Sabbath, the law of God will, to all intents and purposes, be made void in our land, and national apostasy will be followed by national ruin.–7BC 977 (1888).

    When the state shall use its power to enforce the decrees and sustain the institutions of the church–then will Protestant America have formed an image to the papacy, and there will be a national apostasy which will end only in national ruin.–7BC 976 (1910).

    • John Francis

      “Sunday is our MARK of authority…the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” – Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept. 1, 1923.

      “The Sunday…is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.” American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883

      “Sunday…It is the law of the Catholic Church alone…” American Sentinel (Catholic) June 1893

      “Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles …. From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August, 1990

      “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, by Peter Geiermann, 50.

      “Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act… And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov. 11, 1895.

      “He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” 1 John 2:4.

      “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep His commandments.” 1 John 5:2.

      “I have kept My Father’s commandments, and abide in His love.” John 15:10.

      “He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked.” 1 John 2:6.

  • jim

    The Book of Mormon talks about this and was published in 1830. The author of the concept penned it around 600 BC. This is not a new prophecy. God has shown his prophets the events of the Last Days since the beginning.

    First Nephi Chapter 14 should be read in its entirety to get context, but verse 10 says there will only be 2 churches.

    10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.

    • krinks

      Do a search of ‘Joseph Smith False Prophecies’ . God doesn’t work though he that says a thing in his name that does not come to pass. See Deuteronomy 18 for more details.

    • HBK

      Mormonism= cult gone wild

    • Gay Veteran

      book of mormon? bad 19th century fiction

  • UtVivantAli

    Thank you for sharing….

  • James Staten

    Thanks for sharing that site.

  • Matty

    WHOAH!!! Great post.

    I had never even heard of David Wilkerson until I stumbled across him on youtube a couple of months ago…….and I am addicted!

    I don’t believe he is a pastor, but a PROPHET!! I can’t listen to any other messengers of God (except for you Michael!) after hearing this guy.

    Proof that the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost as Wilkerson refers to is moving at Godspeed and the harvest is unfolding so quickly.

    If you have never heard this guy before, watch his sermons, he is the best communicator of God ever!!!

    Thank you for this article and for everything you guys are doing, more proof that Holy Spirit is gathering together the Remnant.

    We are one :)

    • UtVivantAli

      How can David be a TRUE prophet of God when he has already given false prophecies?

      • Matty

        Well everyone has made a booboo very now and then, we aren’t perfect.

        I was referring to his ability to penetrate the heart and conscience….best preaching I have ever heard.

        Good day

        • watchmannonthewall

          The accurate definition of a false prophet is one who leads people astray from God. (Deut. 13:1-11, Mt 7:15-23) Good answer and David did say he wasn’t a prophet. I think we have all been guilty of being a bit zealous about thinking we know how God is going to fulfill or do something.
          Putting dates on things often leads to problems because no matter how much one stresses something is just one’s opinion, the other party never hears that disclaimer! I agree on the best preaching also!

  • UtVivantAli

    Yes, thank you for sharing Russ!

    • Russ Miller

      When I come across someone or some belief being presented, I run it to ground. Sometimes, I learn that I had been mistaken about things or people. And I vett those sources as well. Glad to help. You folks are worth the effort.

  • Gay Veteran

    “…the Remnant is a major theme in my brand new book that was just released entitled “The Rapture Verdict“….”
    new book for sale, eh?
    ah yes, that reminds me of my 3rd reason for why religion exists: so priests and preachers can obtain money and power.
    the other 2 are (1) man fears death and (2) as a means of social control (obey the king or you’ll go to he ll).

  • Gay Veteran

    well you people have been predicting the Rapture for over 1900 years.
    I expect the same will be true for the next 1900 years, and the next…….

    • watchmannonthewall

      The rapture could not occur until Israel had first been completely scattered from the Land of Israel and then the land had been restored to the people of Israel, which happened in 1948. Those who predicted this before then obviously did not know the prophetic Scriptures. I have been told, and read, that it is really only in the last 60 years or so people have woken up to the fact of a “rapture”. As mentioned elsewhere, my understanding of this event is different than many, but likely somewhat close to MS’s.

      • John Atkins

        How will your god rapture his people? Spaceship?

        • Gay Veteran

          LOL, like Heaven’s Gate?

        • watchmannonthewall

          Scripture contains this answer.
          Matthew recorded Jesus words regarding this: “And He will send forth His angels with the sound of a great trumpet and they will gather together the elect [His people] from the four winds, from the one end of heaven to the other.” (Mt. 24:31)

          Moses put it like this, “If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth [the Hebrew text written here indicates actually “below” the earth, i.e., buried and dead], from there the LORD yur God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back.” (Deut. 30:4)

          Paul put it like this: “For the LORD Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first and then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the LORD in the air, and thus we shall always be with the LORD.” (1 Thess 4:16-17)

          John put it this way: “And the angel [archangel- v.1] whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever..that there shall be delay no longer, but in the days of the voice of the 7th angel when he is about to sound [the 7th trumpet], then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.” (Rev. 10:5-7)
          “And I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like the Son of Man, having a golden crown on His head, and a sharp sickle in His hand. And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, ‘Put your sickle in to reap [the elect], because the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe.’ And He who sat in the cloud swung His sickle over the earth; and the earth was reaped.” (Rev. 14:14-16)

      • Gay Veteran

        “…my understanding of this event is different than many, but likely somewhat close to MS’s.”

        ah yes, sooooooo many different interpretations of the word of “god”

        • watchmannonthewall

          That is correct. The Word of God is a big book and today many, most, only look at the last 25% of it. Some of us, however, study the whole thing.

          I use a technique learned from Tony Robinson called, “Thematic Analysis” which requires grouping all passages touching on the same subject matter together and then looking for similar statements within the passages as well as unique elements different from the others. There can be no contradictions!

          By definition, an omniscient God cannot contradict Himself! Therefore if something doesn’t make sense, I have to learn more before I can speak about the topic or share the apparent contradictions with others so they can comment and help me understand it.

          It is quite challenging, very rewarding, and interesting. Try it, you’ll like it!

          • Gay Veteran

            “god” speaks to one man, that is revelation.
            that man speaks to another man, that is hearsay

          • watchmannonthewall

            “Now there were at Antioch, in the church [assembly] that was there, prophets and teachers…And while they were ministering to the LORD and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for Me Barnabus and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'” (Act 13:1-2) God spoke through those within the asembly who ministered. God’s Word requires two or three witnesses to confirm facts.

            Paul wrote, “And let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment…and the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets.” (1 Cor. 14:29 -32)

            God’s Word requires revelation to be given to more than one to be a fact.

      • UtVivantAli

        Actually it was alluded to much earlier than that. Early Christians dating back to 96 AD. were also pre-millenial/pre-trib.

        • watchmannonthewall

          It may have been alluded to at that time, and Paul also wrote to the Thessalonikians and corrected their understanding regarding this event even earlier, about 51AD. However, the Jews had not yet been scattered in 51AD (and in fact they really weren’t totally scattered until about 135AD after the BarKochba Rebellion), and the gospel of the kingdom had not yet gone throughout the entire world by 96AD.

          That those living in those times don’t seem to have had a grasp on the required conditions necessary for fulfillment seems quite plain, today. Not so at that time.

          I can remember being a child in the 60’s and having a woman come speak at our church whose husband had recently been kiiled by the headhunters, yes, they actually shrunk human heads just about 50 years ago, in Africa, in an area where they were missionaries. Those people have heard the gospel today. It appears most conditions necessary for the rapture to occurr have been fulfilled since Israel became a nation.

          • UtVivantAli

            Im sorry….despite reading your response I still dont understand your position regarding the Rapture. I apologize for not being as “scholarly”….mine is just a simple understanding of what I read in my Bible…everything I read leads me to believe that the Rapture will be pre-trib…and contrary to the smug response I got from someone earlier, its not because I wouldnt die for Christ or because I believe that I dont deserve to suffer….but everything in scripture seems to point to Christ taking the believing away before the time of trial starts. Having said that, I dont believe one’s stance on the Rapture is an issue of salvation. Whether one be a believer and be pre-trib or post trib…I believe we will all be saved.

          • watchmannonthewall

            Fully agree with that statement. It is not a salvation issue.

            I was affirming there have been many along the way that held to differing points of view regarding the rapture. Also pointing out for hundreds of years the subject seems to have disappeared until the teenage girl’s dream in the 1850’s where she said Jesus would return twice, and then the return of the Jews to Israel 70 years ago or so. Both events reawakened interest in the doctrine.

            I am aware there are many in the last couple of years who, though they firmly believe in a pretib rapture, are also now beginning to take a position that things will likely get very tough before that happens. They now say if it doesn’t happen like they think, they are planning to overcome either way. It is a good thing!

          • UtVivantAli

            Absolutely! I hold the exact same view….I believe things are going to get very tough despite my belief in a pre -trib rapture…I mean look whats going on today – there is an absolute genocide taking place with regards to Christians in the Middle East. Having said that, I believe when He who “restrains” is taken out of the world, that is when the Rapture will occur and then the Anti-Christ revealed. It is my understanding that some of those early Church fathers who were pre-millenial were believed to have had contact with some of the Apostles…so why would they teach something that is false? Dont get me wrong….Im sure heresy creeped in very early, however it wasnt just one or two early Christians that taught this…it was quite a few.

            Just to quote a couple…there was the Shepherd of Hermas 96-150 AD that said: “You have escaped from the great tribulation on account of your faith, and because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast.Go, therefore, and tell the elect of the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a type of the great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves, and repent with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for you to escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of the days of your life serving the Lord blamelessly.”

            Also Ephraem of Nisibis 306-373 AD
            “See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of
            the prophet who declares: “Woe to those who desire to see the Day of the Lord!” Because all saints and the Elect of the Lord
            are gathered together before the tribulation which is to about to come and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins.”

            .Im not a scholar, I read my Bible and research to the best of my ability to try and understand what the Lord is saying…but as I said earlier, God said that He was not the author of confusion – so when I read thru some of this stuff and confusion sets in – I have to revert back to the simple understanding that Jesus has laid on my heart. Im completely willing to admit that some just may be on a higher spiritual plane than I….and I think thats okay…wonderful actually, but at the end of the day I believe if the Lord would have me know something, it will be in His time and maybe further down the road in my studies. Does that make sense? Im sorry if there were some of your responses here that went unanswered by me…once again, its that confusion factor. I will also refrain from answering if I feel that someone is acting superior or bullying. I simply want to learn and have good discussion with my fellow Christians. :)

          • watchmannonthewall

            Thank you for all you shared and keep up the research, as will I.

            One thing you might want to add to your research, if you don’t have it, is a Hebrew Greek Interlinear Bible. Make sure you read the Introduction or Foreword sections as the author has a number of things to say about some of the early Church Father’s that many don’t know about. I had done earlier research and his comments are in line with what I knew. You may want to verify.

            Mainstream ministers seem not to be aware of this, or ignore it, as I have heard a number of them cite these same “Fathers” as sources for doctrinal poitions that invalidate Scripture. Their comments are given the authoritative value of Pope pronouncements.

            God speaks of this phenomenon:

            Jeremiah (17:19), speaking of the 1,000 year reign of Messiah, said, “Oh LORD, my strength and my stronghold, my refuge in the day of distress [tribulation], to Thee ALL nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, ‘Our fathers have INHERITED nothing but falsehood, futility, and things of no profit.'”

            We’ve been lied to for centuries!

            An attitude of professional sckepticism is necessary when reading things written by or about the early church fathers, and many others, who lived hundreds of years ago. The disciples who wrote the NT clearly corrected, and warned of, false doctrines that had ALREADY infiltrated the Church, within 2-3 decades of Messiah! How much more 300 years later when most of what we follow today was in place? Scripture alone is our authority!

  • Charles Reece

    Yes, Michael, like the pastor of the Lutheran church in northwestern Pennsylvania, I likewise went through a similar experience back in January 2006, while staying in a shelter in Washington, DC. Everything that you state in this article is absolutely correct, as to what God is doing NOW with a “remnant” that He is raising up for the last of the Last Days; and sincere believers tired of a watered-down Gospel, and leaving “institutionalized religion”, and establishing home Bible studies or congregations. And like this same pastor and you yourself, I too was commissioned by God to be a “watchman” for America. And the rest is history for you, your wife; for this Lutheran pastor, for myself, and for all other Christians that the Lord is currently “waking up”, as you so well state in this same article above.

    • watchmannonthewall

      We are living in the time of the fulfillment of Amos’ prophesy regarding the coming of a day when there is a famine of the Word of God. Thankfully, God still feeds His people manna in the wilderness!!

  • MaxRockatansky33

    All of this starts to sound like some kind of a Followers of Apocalypse.

  • Joan Camara

    All I want to know is, when and where are the Remnant going to all get together? …I live with my husband, and he has no interest in God, the bible, church..etc etc. ..I still make him mad when I get excited about prophecy. ..My daughter and her boyfriend live here in the same house….the same with them. I am alone, and all I can do is write comments on this website or that website, that I am one who believes with all her heart in the God Almighty, who made us, and every beautiful thing. And no one to share it with. I get excited all by myself, when I see prophecy either happening or getting closer, but then I get sad. No one to share it with. I’ve met a few male friends online, and I get overwhelmed and too pushy, just TRYING so hard to teach them about prophecy. I get laughed at or just ignored. Oh, but I will never give up on my LORD! He is with me always, and I love Him soooo much! I can’t wait for the DAY, when I can show them, SOMETHING…to make them all believe, that everything I’ve told everyone…is TRUE, and that He IS COMING BACK! We are all IN this world, and not OF it! I enjoyed reading this article…I got so excited reading those wonderful inspiring words! Thank You!

  • This is nothing new. Herbert W. Armstrong was teaching this in 50’s or even further back in time. Daniel 2 gives us an image to the successive kingdoms, the last of which is the end time Roman empire revived, along with it’s whore church. Daniel 11 goes on to show us this super power, aka the king of the north) attacking the middle east and Israel. Then setting up his throne.

    • watchmannonthewall

      Amazing how God began to move on certain people many years ago through that man and many of them are still serving God with all their heart. I think he began his ministry in the late 1920’s.
      Many in the “Church” who know of him think we was a heretic. He knew more about God’s ways than most today! I’ve meet people who have been at the Feast of Tabernacles for over 50 years in a row due to that man! He encouraged people to walk in holiness!

  • lindajoyadams

    We heard him preach this and much more back in the late 1980’s when we lived in the New York City area at the TIMES SQUARE CHURCH. yes where the MYSTERY BABYLON STRUTURE IS GOING UP SOON.. WISH HE WERE STILL WITH US , AS SURELY HE WOULD BE PREACHING OUT NOW. WHILE MANY ARE SILENT AND LETTING IT HAPPEN. Linda Joy Adams

  • John Atkins

    Sounds like a bunch of hocus pocus mumbo jumbo.

  • Jock Coalman

    Yes, I think that you could be right…

    I came back to Christ after studying world conspiracy since the 9/11 ‘event’. I had found Satan at the bottom of the rabbit hole.
    I have recently had a couple of dreams one of which I think could only be Christ beckoning me to come to Him. I get strange and beautiful synchronistic events happening regularly that could happen through God The Father.

    “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams”

    Acts 2:17 (KJV)

  • Spike

    Why I believe in a pre tribulation rapture……….you need to turn to the book of Genesis and read the righteous and wicked debate Abraham had with the Lord. Peradventure, if there are ten righteous people in the city I will spare the whole city for the sake of the ten. God assured us over and over that he will not let the righteous suffer with the wicked. And tribulation period God tells us in his word that he is pouring out his wrath on wicked people. Another reason why he seals the 144000 men with the Lamb of God to protect them from the plaques. Don’t forget, when the Lord does return he gathers his elect from the four corners of the earth, because there is going to be a big celebration in Jerusalem. When Jesus returns, he will want his 144000 and the others that are saved as a result of their witness to join him in Jerusalem. God has always provided a way to escape his judgement, Noah, had to build a boat, Lot was led away from the city by Angels, and the next one will be worldwide and God will remove them from the planet and the 144,000 will preach the word worldwide and many will be saved. Those are the people his angels will gather from the four corners of the earth when Jesus steps foot on the mount of olives. Amen.

    • Joan Camara

      Then what is Revelation for? I guess we shouldn’t even bother with all those prophecies, because we will be raptured already right? Let’s just skip learning those prophecies. We don’t need to worry about the mark, and the trumpets, the bowls, etc etc. Let the sinners read that, we won’t need it!

      God tells us that if we take the time to read and study Revelation, He will give us a special blessing. “Blessed is he who reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is near.” (Rev 1:3)

      We don’t have to worry about the ending of the bible.. We are going to skip all that, right? Since we’ll be gone!…

      And if we’re gone before the trib, who are the thousands that get beheaded for NOT taking the mark?

      • Spike

        What is all the Bible for? Revelation is the unveiling……..what is Genesis for? We know how it began and we know how it will end. Also, the people during that time period who come to know the Lord will need to know what to expect, what the Bible tells them about this time period. It only makes sense that God would tell us the ending as well as the beginning.

  • Karen G

    There is a super apostate church growing today. It is growing so subtly that most people attending those congregations don’t even know what is going on. Before they know it, they get sucked in because they love the pastor and the congregation so much that they can’t think critically. Read the book Religious Trojan Horse by Brannon House. There will be those who refuse to be unequally yoked with the unsaved that will resist but they will be greatly persecuted. It is called “the great falling away” or “the apostate church”. The humanistic philosophies of atheists and gnostics have been adopted by many of these denominations and congregations and they will become the “synagogue of Satan” which will bring about the economical system which will usher in the Antichrist. Once he is in power, He will have no use for the One world church and he will destroy it. If you want to know some of the leaders deceiving their people, just look up their net worth. There are so many warnings all through the Word about false teachers and prophets like Balaam seeking monetary gain.

  • etexfisherman48

    You don’t need a spiritualist to come up with a vision like this; it is in your bible. The Harlot Church is spelled plainly for the end time and it is the Catholic Church. The bible gives one enough detail to know this even to the point of telling us what they wear. Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: The bible not man teaches us there will be a one world government a Revived Roman Empire that will consist of a political and ecclesiastical Babylon system. It even tells you the whore (end time anti-Christ) church will ride the back of the Beast and bring him forth. What I am saying folks is study the word it is all there for you. This business of jumping on false prophet’s wagons like Kim Clemente and others will get you burned, literally. David Wilkerson has done many fine works but he isn’t anymore perfect than the next man. You can’t worship God and Mammon so keep that in mind because you’ll end up loving one and hating the other.

  • goody

    Theres nothing worse than a bunch of no it all Christians thinking only their theology is right . What a way to win the world

    • goody

      I,m referring to the comentors not the prohecy

  • Ryan Cameron

    Voices

    Why is David Cameron so silent on the recapture of Palmyra from the clutches of Isis?

    In the end, it was the Syrian army – and its Hizballah chums from Lebanon, and the Iranians, and the Russians – who drove the Isis murderers out of Palmyra

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-is-david-cameron-so-silent-on-the-recapture-of-palmyra-from-the-clutches-of-isis-a6955406.html
    Bilderberg
    http://www.bilderberg.org
    Peak Oil and 9.11. – Daily Peak Oil Blog
    http://www.fromthewilderness.com

  • donluvinshire

    The trib will not be the way you so gracefully state that they will rise up with christ and he will hold them like they will just vanish it will be the most horrific time spent on this earth and if you are not willing to submit to his will and follow his path you will see such horrible things and be tricked in such wicked ways that it will seem as if there never was such a thing as our lord almighty you will look into the eyes of your children and loved ones and be persueded to join in thier plight and many will subcomb, hear this for iam his and he is mine and we are yours and my life blood will rage into such a light that not even the darkest thing in hell will stop me from cuting all ties to this physical form here on earth and all who wish to skip the trials shall go with god and all who submit may go from this earth all that remain will feel the end of my sword and will be released from the shadows of shackels that they have made for themselves and all will be forgiven… think about this to the worst human being piece of crud on this planet heaven will be a horrible place to remain the light will feel to them like the worst pit of hell and will toil and writhe in pain and agony until they forgive themselves for what theve done on this earth….

  • Cindy Bates

    All you have to do is to surrender your entire heart to Jesus, and ask Him to make you into the person that He created you to be. God said it first and the minister is just breaking it down for us. Lean in and listen up Children of God!

  • John Nolan

    Isn’t the muslim religion merely a branch of catholicism, started by the Jesuits, which is why they can unite, as they serve the same master?

  • bob mack

    Shave or don’t shave but trimming into a whatever it is you are wearing is vain and stupid and your cred goes out the window.

  • 1stWorlder

    Where do I sign up to be part of the Remnant?