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60 Days In Prison And A $12,180 Fine For Hosting A Home Bible Study In Arizona

The war on home Bible studies and house churches is heating up again.  Down in Phoenix, Arizona a man has been sentenced to 60 days in prison and has been fined $12,180 for hosting a Bible study in his home.  Since 2005, Michael Salman and his wife have been hosting gatherings of about 15 or 20 people where they share food, fellowship and discuss the Bible.  Unfortunately, that kind of thing is against the law in Phoenix, Arizona apparently.  At one point, nearly a dozen armed police officers raided their home and “evidence” of their “crimes” was gathered.  Michael Salman was found guilty of 67 “code violations”, and now he is going to be ripped away from his family and put in prison for two months.  In addition, the assistant city prosecutor is asking the court to “revoke his probation and convert it into a 2 1/2 year jail sentence since he continues to hold worship gatherings on his property despite court orders.”  This kind of case has the potential to have a huge “chilling effect” on home gatherings of all kinds all over the United States.

You may be thinking that you are glad that this man is being put in prison because you aren’t a Christian and you don’t have any sympathy for Christians.

Well, what if you wanted to hold small gatherings in your home to discuss the U.S. Constitution?

Or what if you wanted to hold small gatherings in your home to play cards or watch football?

The U.S. Constitution guarantees “the right of the people peaceably to assemble”, and when the constitutional rights of one person are under attack, it is an attack on all of us.

In America today, we actually do not own our homes and our properties.  Instead, we are only allowed to use them in very, very narrowly-defined ways, and if we “rebel” against those rules the control freaks that run things will smack us hard.

A while back I wrote about how control freak bureaucrats all over the country are using “code violations” to force preppers back on to the grid.  In some cases, they are even using “code violations” to force preppers completely off of their properties.

They want to run our lives, and if we do not live within the very narrow constraints that they define for us then they will send armed men to raid our homes.

So how did Michael Salman’s problems start?

You can probably guess.

His “neighbors” complained about noise and “traffic congestion“.

So that is how city officials got involved.  We have become a nation of informers and tattlers, and this is another perfect example of that.

Michael Salman did have a big cross and a big sign outside his home, and in this situation that was rather foolish.  Perhaps if he had kept a lower profile things would have been different.  But it still does not excuse what authorities in Phoenix are doing to him.

People should be able to have small gatherings of friends and family in their own homes.  If we can’t do that, what do we have left?

And these days, just about everything is illegal in America, so if you want to sick the authorities on your neighbors it is quite easy to do.

What is this nation turning into?

The implications of this story are staggering.

Over the past couple of decades, the number of “house churches” in the United States has absolutely exploded as an increasing number of Americans reject the big, institutional churches for one reason or another.

Now we are seeing a backlash against the home church movement.

Are we going to start to see authorities systematically coming after home Bible studies and house churches all over America?

Sadly, we have already seen quite a few examples of this. The following is one example from California….

A Christian couple from Orange County, Calif., were fined earlier this month for holding Bible studies and for what city officials called “a regular gathering of more than three people” in their homes. They have now been told they face a $500 fine if they continue to hold their home Bible study gatherings.

Fortunately, authorities in that case have backed off at least for now after immense public pressure.

But this is just the beginning.  Bible-believing Christians are now considered to be “outside the mainstream” and are being attacked in unprecedented ways.

For example, the head of Personhood USA (Keith Mason) had his home brutally vandalized after he was featured in a recent Newsweek article.  When that article was posted on the website of The Daily Beast, someone left a comment that contained his home address.  Unfortunately, some very sick individuals decided to “pay a visit” to the home and hurled a boulder that destroyed the glass in his front door.  In addition, they took red spray paint and painted cuss words and red coat hangers on his house and on his sidewalk.

The following is how this attack was described in a recent Newsweek article….

Mason says he was awake at the time of the attack. “I was in the basement, catching a movie and having a beer, to just chill,” Mason says. “I heard a loud noise and thought one of our kids had fallen down the stairs.” Mason says he ran upstairs from the basement, then “ran through a bunch of glass” and “saw red.” He describes the scene as “surreal—I didn’t know if it was blood on the glass or what. It turned out to be spray paint. There was red paint all over the side of our house. They spray-painted coat-hangers all over my sidewalk and door. We called 911. The police were there within three minutes.”

The family has moved from the home and they say that they have no plans to return.

This is what America is turning into.

Hate and anger are rising to unprecedented levels and it seems like psychopaths are running around everywhere.

I truly fear for the future of this nation.

The Beginning Of The End - The New Novel About The Future Of America By Michael T. Snyder
  • VegasBob

    We live in a police state. The atmosphere in the USA today is not much different than Comuunist Russia or Nazi Germany, where informers routinely reported the activities of their friends and neighbors to the government.

    The only real difference between the USA and the totalitarian regimes of the past is that people don’t yet disappear in the middle of the night, never to be heard from again. But don’t worry. I’m sure the police state is actively looking for a workaround to that little problem.

    • Patriot

      With 250 million + firearms in the hands of increasingly pissed off, freedom loving citizens, it is going to be very interesting to see the gubbernment try to enforce a national police state without one hell of a fight.

      • VegasBob

        Be careful. Police state SWAT teams will make you and your family “disappear” in the middle of the night before you can pull your Glock out of your nightstand.

    • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

      you can expect things like that to happen after the election; both candidates are likely to use the ndaa to “eliminate” their critics. GOD help us.
      -Young Patriot

    • Gay Veteran

      well Obama has already murdered (sorry, “execute”) an American citizen without trial, without charges

      • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

        And once again it isn’t on the mainstream media. If you could provide a link to the article where you found that information, I would be much obliged.
        -Young Patriot

        • Gay Veteran

          actually it was, the “execution” of the American cleric in Yemen, and subesequently his 16 year old son

          • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

            I guess I really shouldn’t have commented that it wasn’t on the news, as I have not watched the news for a week and a half.
            -Young Patriot

      • Buddy Dotson

        Agree there, young AmeriCan Patriot. Also wondered about our subject’s salutation?

        • Gay Veteran

          With Death of Anwar al-Awlaki, Has U.S. Launched New Era of Killing U.S. Citizens Without Charge?
          http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/30/with_death_of_anwar_al_awlaki

          The United States has confirmed the killing of the radical Yemeni-American cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, in northern Yemen. The Obama administration says al-Awlaki is one of the most influential al-Qaeda operatives on its “most wanted” list. In response to news of al-Awlaki’s death, constitutional scholar Glenn Greenwald and others argue the assassination of U.S. citizens without due process has now has become a reality. “One of the bizarre aspects of it is that media and government reports try to sell al-Awlaki as some grand terrorist mastermind … describing him as the new bin Laden. The United States government needs a terrorist mastermind to replace Osama bin Laden to justify this type of endless war … For a while, al-Awlaki was going to serve that function,” Greenwald says. “If you are somebody that believes the President of the United States has the power to order your fellow citizens murdered, assassinated, killed without a shred of due process … then you are really declaring yourself to be as pure of an authoritarian as it gets.”

    • vince

      Yeah its a bill called NDAA

  • Jodi

    How scary is that if someone post your address on a website. Does anybody remember when I think it was Spike Lee that retweeted George Zimmerman’s address? It turned out it wasn’t his address. People like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton & The New Black Panther Party were stirring up a frenzy that could have put those people in danger. I’m not sure if they still live at that address, but non of these MSNBC people or Spike Lee was even questioned or arrested for their rhetoric. How sad!

    • xander cross

      Funny how you defend a murderder that killed an kid. Also, Zimmermann put up that address and once again, and funny how Zimmermann gave the judge fake passports and fake family address in the first place. I bet you did not post that up did you? Don’t worry, continue to support stand your ground law, when someone like zimmerman kills you and then say “I was defefending myself” well, you will learn something then won’t you.

      • Alyssa

        Treyvon was a thug.

        • xander cross

          No,he was not. You got the lie from fox news. Zimmermann on the other hand, actually got arrested for fighting police officers. So, who is the thug again.

      • demccall

        You really should get the entire story if you want to start berating people.

      • Steve in DC

        ********, Xander, are you 150 years old? If not, then you have never been a slave, nor have any of us been slaves or slave owners. Please give it a rest. My family fought to end slavery and our constitution doesn’t count you as 3/4 (or 3/5) a person since the 13-15 amendments. There’s nothing anyone can do about the past problems, but those who refuse to live in the present and blame everyone who has long ago died will never move forward. This country had about 80 years of legally sanctioned slavery, it was never unanimously desired, and we fractured and suffered a bloody civil war to reverse that. Before that, it was the policy of the colonies of Europe. Since then, it’s been the work of our nation to overcome prejudice by our laws.
        To overcome hatred, however, it has been the long work of God to change our hearts. If there was a hate group or Klan meeting going on in the home, then I would join you in rejecting their gathering as something I don’t believe in, however, I still would maintain that in America they have a legal right to assemble. But attacking a group who meet to worship God seems to run against our basic freedoms.

        • xander cross

          Stop lying Steve. Man, many of you on this site enjoy lying to the extreme. Just like ron paul, many of you lie and make claims that are not true, especially on articles on this. Your family did not never try to end slavery and you know that. You’re just lying.

          • ME

            Xander is an idiot. Trying to change his “mind” is a waste of time. He is a bitter black man who blames all of his problems on whitey, and is why I must carry a gun.

            If it’s so bad in USA, go to Africa. Your kind won’t because you know you could not survive on your own.

      • Tionico

        Xander, you’ve bought the lies of the mainstream media and the hacks like Jackson and his ugly black cronies. Zimmerman was brutally attacked by a lerge, strong punk of a black kid, knocked to the ground, and had his head bashed into the sidewalk a few times.. STILL he did not go for his pistol.. not until the brutal black punk happened to discover it as he tried to further pound ZImmerman…. and when the punk did find his weapon he declared he was going to use it to kill Zimmerman.

        SO, you’ve got a man on the ground, a huge violent thug on top of him trying to kill him, happends to find the victim’s handgun then tries to get control of it to kill his victim the easy way.

        What would YOU do? Its either shoot the punk who’s trying to kill you, or let him shoot you with the gun you haven’t yet taken out to use.

        And you want to talk about “stand your ground” ZImmmerman was not “standing his ground”, he was lyhing on it being killed. READ the law before you try and play lawyer, judge, and jury.

        One more detail…. I’ve followed this story very closely from the first tiny news articles outlining the shooting a few days after it happened. YOU are the first one I’ve ever read claiming that Zimmerman published an address as his own. And you are the first one I’ve seen saying anything about fake passports. Yes, there was some confusion about funds to pay for defense…. are those funds really ZImmerman’s money, or are they dedicated to their legal defense? They’d already been through hell, and the fire was being turned up daily. What we have here is a lynch mob trying to break into the jailhouse to drag their victim out into the street and find the nearest oaktree for a midnight necktie party. Only this time the victim is half white half hispanic, and the lynch mob is black. And they want an end to “racism”? Start in their own camp first. THEY raise a kid to be a punk, he attacks someone looking out for his neighbors, tries to kill his victim (Zimmerman) and gets shot in self-defense. Too bad.. FATHERS, TEACH YOUR CHILDREN. Yeah, you do, alright Question is, WHAT do you teach them? This Martin punk was taught some pretty strange things….

      • ME

        Why would he give a real address when a bounty had been placed on his head? If a white man did that to a black man, you would be screaming for blood. Why are there no current photos of Treyvon? It’s not as thoughZimmerman killed some innocent kid. I’m sure he kept watching Treyvon because the neighborhood had seen a rash of break-ins, all committed by young black males, and knew that if he stopped, the police would just drive through and “not be able to find him”. Zimmerman is a hero. If this ever goes to trial, I expect the picture to look completely different from the narrative being presented.

        • http://rightwingamerica.com markusdecarcus

          Amen…

      • http://rightwingamerica.com markusdecarcus

        Xander, what do you mean a Kid?? He was a 6’3 180lb thug. The liberal controlled media spun that one to incite a race war so NDAA could be implemented and Obummer could be dictator. The only reason Zimmerman was rearrested was to avoid just that. The Panthers wouldn’t stand a chance anyway. They even slipped the word “white” in there to fuel the fire even more. Zimmerman was cold cocked, knocked to the ground and beaten in the face until he decided to defend himself. An eyewitness saw it, he will probably be paid off to spin things away from the truth. The parents are even capitalizing on Trayvonne’s death, what a way to mourn….Zimmerman gave him a chance, I would shoot anyone, any color who attacks me like that.

        • xander cross

          You would not shoot an another white person that would attack you. Again, you’re lying because zimmerman was not attacked at all.

  • Kitiem

    Scary stuff.

  • PB

    See therein lies the problem. You start the story with an outline of how bad all this is and on the surface it does sound bad, then as one gets further in the actual events that took place start to unfold, almost reluctantly. You are not talking just about a man having some friends over to discuss the Bible are you, you are talking about someone who went well beyond that. You didn’t mention how many times his neighbours had asked him to stop doing what he was doing, or how many complaints he had ignored. He’s the one who should be getting the inverted comma treatment, not his neighbours. I’ll bet that if it was a large Muslim group meeting up your story would be a whole lot different, and noisier. Further, I’ll bet if it was a Jewish group meeting up with a great big neon Star of David out the front, then it wouldn’t even receive a mention because some things are just untouchable aren’t they.

    • DaytoDay

      I think it has more to do with jealousy (Busybodies), I mean, who cares how many people they have over or what they have on their property… I thought this was America, where you own the house and land you pay for? (Guess not, property taxes) Even still… People are GUARANTEED a certain amount of rights/privacy in this country and so, frankly, it’s none of the neighbors business what goes on in somebody eleses house, unless it’s a cause for harm or a REAL disturbance…

      Because where does it end? Should I be required to have a permit to have family over? Or how about if I wanted to put an American flag in my front yard, would you call the police then? Or if I’m always outside doing yard work, should I labeled for suspicious behavior?

      See, it’s all about acclimation, it starts with the home-church Christian’s and ends in Nazi Germany… So what I’m saying is, it’s the principle, because if you advocate for calling the police and locking people up for every little nuisance and or disturbance (What you deem a nuisance/disturbance) Then you might as well move to Antarctica and lock yourself inside your house, because the world doesn’t cater to your every whim…

    • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

      So what if his neighbors asked him to stop? He is free under GOD and guaranteed by the Constitution to practice his religion. It is freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM it. If you go and attack our right to our religion, why don’t you stop complaining about how “mistreated” you think you are then. And it is a fact that much more outrage would have surfaced if it was any religion but Christianity. If something like this had happened to a muslim gathering, the police department would have been sued, and the muslim practitioners would have gotten huge sums of money. Please, research the times we live in and the attitude towards religions before you post. Thank you for your time.
      -Young Patriot

      • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

        I am expecting xander or gary2 to post something along the lines of “typical white, Christian racist”, or “you’re no patriot”. Really you to, if you can’t think of an intelligent response, at least troll with new material. It gets old fast.
        -Young Patriot

        • xander cross

          Typcial idiot from so called patriot. You did not read the article at all and also, you never read the constitution as well. The constituion does NOT grant you freedom to you or I. Well since I am a black man, your constitution said that I am a 3/4th of a person. You and Michael lied by ommission. The pastor lied as well, but of course, you want only your slavemaster christian religion to dominiate everyone else against their will, while saying that you’re free.

          • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

            I was worried about the weather. Thank you for telling me it will be raining bullshit. (p.s-look up the 3/5 slave clause, it actually helped slaves in that it discouraged plantation owners from buying more slaves just so they could get representation in congress. You probably have no idea how much more pro slavery legislation would have been passed if slaves had counted as a whole person then. They were not allowed to hear their voice heard, all that would have happened is that the pro slavery people would have gotten more reps in congress. Actually look into something instead of believing something that al sharpton spews, after all; he is a notorious liar.) And the 1st amendment is the freedom of the press, speech and religion, which guarantees everyone the right to practice their religion. Don’t believe me? look it up; think for yourself once maybe.
            -Young Patriot

          • Tionico

            Xander, you have a chip on your shoulder because you are black, and some of your ancestors were msitreated. Get over it, quit living in the past. You got a “tude jusst like Trayvon Martin, a “score” to settle. Let GOD repay wrong, that’s HIS work.

            What this article is about is today, where men residing within the United States are having their rights taken away. Yes, the Constitution guarantees to every PERSON physically present within our borders certain rights, which rights come from our Creator and can not be taken away or limited by anyeone, any time, or for any reason. Those rights are named…. freedom of religion, of the press, of personal speach, to freely assemble together when and where we please, and to bring our grievances to the government (OUR servants, not our masters) to be addressed and corrected. If THIS man can be arrested and jailed, his goods stolen at gunpoint, all under color of law, for having some friends over to gather over certain commin interests, then YOU could have the same thing happen by having some friends over and playing basketball on a hoop in your front yard. Same value.. the right peaceably to assemble. If it can be taken from this man, it can be taken from anyone.

            If you like this sort of thing happening, then maybe you’d better vote to extend the reign of our current kenyan resident of that large home on Pennsylvania Avenua, down where the swamps used to be alongside the Potomac River in Washington. HE has done more to eliminate and restrict our God-given liberties than any man before him… his passing of the NDAA (and if you don’t know what that is, you deserve the trouble that will surely come of it) gives HIM the sole authority to have anyone, at any time, from any place, be taken into custody, no charges laid, no courts, no lawyers, just “disappeared” in the middle of the night to be taken somewhere and detained, as long as it suits the whim of the kenyan.

            This is NOT the world we signed up for, and the sooner you get mad about it the better we’ll all be.

          • Scott

            “Well since I am a black man, your constitution said that I am a 3/4th of a person.”

            What century are you living in anyway? Get with the times, get a life.

        • xander cross

          Who said that I listen to al sharpton? You assume things again, just like ron paul does. You’re no patroit and yes, I am correct and you’re wrong on the constitution.

          • Salem Carter

            Xander, you are a disgrace to your race. How about you take the time to read the constitution that protects your right to be an idiot before you post how “correct” you are about it. The Constitution is a collection of Amendments that spell out the specifics of how you get your freedom and what freedoms you are given! Nowhere in the constitution is there anything about blacks being counted as 3/4 of a person. You are referencing the 3/5ths Compromise which determined how the Legislative houses would be structured. The Compromise stated that 3 out of every 5 slaves would be counted towards the population to determine how many votes that state had in the House (Lower) Legislature. This compromise helped Northerners and Southerners alike be willing to buy into the compromise.
            BTW, good luck telling ME I’m not a patriot–I’m a former U.S. Marine.

            But for those of you who choose to use your brain to make your decisions instead of whatever spoon-fed drivel the latest internet site is spewing, here is some additional information on this so-called “pastor” who is being “persecuted”.

            Sentenced: Michael Salman, ordained Church of God in Christ (COGIC) minister; pastor, Harvest Christian Fellowship (also: Facebook); and owner, Mighty Mike’s Burgers, Phoenix, Arizona; to 60 days in jail and three years of probation for “representing as a church on his home property without securing the proper permits,” reports the Christian Post. azfamily.com reports: “Inside a back building on his property … is a pulpit and chairs — room for the 30 to 40 who gather here weekly. Still Salman insists this is no public church. … Inspectors say for what Salman was doing, he needed dozens of building and safety updates. All Salman says he was doing was practicing freedom of religion. The court disagreed. … The Maricopa County Prosecutor’s Office tells 3TV that this is not a religious freedom issue, but that Salman has consistently refused to comply with building codes and safety standards that are required by law.” In one of his protest videos posted to YouTube (under the alias “Kryptologos”), Salman declares: “I’m a criminal because I’m a Christian.”
            The Christian Post also notes that “the Salmans have launched an online petition on Change.org directed to the ‘Mayor and City Council’ of Phoenix. So far, only 3252 visitors have signed the petition, which needs 100,000 supporters.” That may be because angry neighbors are upset about his building a 4,200-square-foot structure up against the property line, according to a lengthy 2008 profile in the Phoenix New Times, which quotes several neighbors, including one who recounted a neighborhood meeting with Salman: “He gave us a lecture on the fact that all of us were going to make money on our property, and if we were true Christians, we ought to be willing to sacrifice a little bit. … That meeting is where the real animosity started. He made no effort at being conciliatory or cooperative. That really united the neighbors against him. He was his own worst enemy.”
            The New Times also reports that Salman — who has been divorced, yet is reportedly vehemently opposed to marriage equality — is a former gang member with a prison record, and was once arrested for impersonating a police officer, purportedly in order to scare a boy who was “fooling around” with a girl in Salman’s church. Two years earlier, Salman, “hoping to scare the hell out of a kid who’d been messing with his girlfriend’s little brother,” reportedly “donned a Raiders T-shirt and fired five rounds from a .38 special into the kid’s house,” nearly hitting the boy’s mother. He was found guilty of aggravated assault and sentenced to six years in prison. Also: “In 1994, Salman had filed paperwork claiming that he belonged to the Embassy of God. That meant, the document claimed, that he didn’t need to follow United States law.”

          • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

            Salem Carter, there’s no sense in trying to talk sense into xander, he just drinks the kool-aid given to him by the mainstream media and left radicals.
            -Young Patriot

          • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

            Also Salem: there is NO such thing as a former Marine; once a Marine, always a Marine. I hope to join the brotherhood in a few years. Oorah; Semper-Fi, and thank you for your service. People like you who are willing to sacrifice their lives so that people like me and xander can argue from the comfort of our homes over the internet, it is people like you that make me proud to be an American.
            -Young Patriot

  • Patriot

    This is starting to get ridiculous, and even more ridiculous is how far our government has strayed from our foundations, that the Pilgrims and the Founding fathers laid down 2 centuries ago. This nation was founded on Christain princicples, and the Pilgrims nor the Founders were afraid to call this a Christian nation and proclaim the real reason they believed we would be blessed if we followed the law of the Biblical God. For too many decades now, revisionists have been allowed to change our history and brainwash people with lies. This is why so many people will repeat like a parrot today….that the founders were diests, they never intended to included Christianity into our nation and its laws, etc. I encourage everyone to read the “Mayflower Compact” written by those who really founded what we call the USA. It is VERY unpolitically correct by todays liberal, realative standard.

    Or check out the quotes from the founding fathers and count how many times they refer to God and the Bible. This just a sliver of the quotations that exist that refer to the God of the Bible:

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    Samuel Adams
    Father of the American Revolution, Signer of the Declaration of Independence
    I . . . recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.

    Will of Samuel Adams
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    Charles Carroll
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence
    On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.

    From an autographed letter in our possession written by Charles Carroll to Charles W. Wharton, Esq., on September 27, 1825, from Doughoragen, Maryland.

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    William Cushing
    First Associate Justice Appointed by George Washington to the Supreme Court
    Sensible of my mortality, but being of sound mind, after recommending my soul to Almighty God through the merits of my Redeemer and my body to the earth . . .

    Will of William Cushing

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    John Dickinson
    Signer of the Constitution
    Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.

    Will of John Dickinson
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    John Hancock
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence
    I John Hancock, . . . being advanced in years and being of perfect mind and memory-thanks be given to God-therefore calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing it is appointed for all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make and ordain this my last will and testament…Principally and first of all, I give and recommend my soul into the hands of God that gave it: and my body I recommend to the earth . . . nothing doubting but at the general resurrection I shall receive the same again by the mercy and power of God. . .

    Will of John Hancock
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    Patrick Henry
    Governor of Virginia, Patriot
    This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.

    Will of Patrick Henry
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    John Jay
    First Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court
    Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son. He has been pleased to bless me with excellent parents, with a virtuous wife, and with worthy children. His protection has companied me through many eventful years, faithfully employed in the service of my country; His providence has not only conducted me to this tranquil situation but also given me abundant reason to be contented and thankful. Blessed be His holy name!

    Will of John Jay
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    Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
    Signer of the Constitution
    In the name of God, Amen. I, Daniel of Saint Thomas Jenifer . . . of dispossing mind and memory, commend my soul to my blessed Redeemer. . .

    Will of Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
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    Henry Knox
    Revolutionary War General, Secretary of War
    First, I think it proper to express my unshaken opinion of the immortality of my soul or mind; and to dedicate and devote the same to the supreme head of the Universe – to that great and tremendous Jehovah, – Who created the universal frame of nature, worlds, and systems in number infinite . . . To this awfully sublime Being do I resign my spirit with unlimited confidence of His mercy and protection . . .

    Will of Henry Knox
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    John Langdon
    Signer of the Constitution
    In the name of God, Amen. I, John Langdon, . . . considering the uncertainty of life and that it is appointed unto all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make, ordain and publish this my last will and testament in manner following, that is to say-First: I commend my soul to the infinite mercies of God in Christ Jesus, the beloved Son of the Father, who died and rose again that He might be the Lord of the dead and of the living . . . professing to believe and hope in the joyful Scripture doctrine of a resurrection to eternal life . . .

    Will of John Langdon
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    John Morton
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence
    With an awful reverence to the great Almighty God, Creator of all mankind, I, John Morton . . . being sick and weak in body but of sound mind and memory-thanks be given to Almighty God for the same, for all His mercies and favors-and considering the certainty of death and the uncertainty of the times thereof, do, for the settling of such temporal estate as it hath pleased God to bless me with in this life . . .

    Will of John Morton
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    Robert Treat Paine
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence
    I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in mine ears.

    Robert Treat Paine, The Papers of Robert Treat Paine, Stephen Riley and Edward Hanson, editors (Boston: Massachusetts Historical Society, 1992), Vol. I, p. 48, March/April, 1749.

    [W]hen I consider that this instrument contemplates my departure from this life and all earthly enjoyments and my entrance on another state of existence, I am constrained to express my adoration of the Supreme Being, the Author of my existence, in full belief of his providential goodness and his forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state, acknowledging with grateful remembrance the happiness I have enjoyed in my passage through a long life. . .

    Will of Robert Treat Paine
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    Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
    Signer of the Constitution
    To the eternal, immutable, and only true God be all honor and glory, now and forever, Amen!. . .

    Will of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
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    Rufus Putnam
    Revolutionary War General, First Surveyor General of the United States
    [F]irst, I give my soul to a holy, sovereign God Who gave it in humble hope of a blessed immortality through the atonement and righteousness of Jesus Christ and the sanctifying grace of the Holy Spirit. My body I commit to the earth to be buried in a decent Christian manner. I fully believe that this body shall, by the mighty power of God, be raised to life at the last day; ‘for this corruptable (sic) must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality.’ [I Corinthians 15:53]

    Will of Rufus Putnam
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    Benjamin Rush
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence
    My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!

    Benjamin Rush, The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, George Corner, editor (Princeton: Princeton University Press for the American Philosophical Society, 1948), p. 166, Travels Through Life, An Account of Sundry Incidents & Events in the Life of Benjamin Rush.

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    Roger Sherman
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Signer of the Constitution
    I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. . . . that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are a revelation from God. . . . that God did send His own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners, and thus to lay a foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind so as all may be saved who are willing to accept the Gospel offer.

    Lewis Henry Boutell, The Life of Roger Sherman (Chicago: A. C. McClurg and Company, 1896), pp. 272-273.

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    Richard Stockton
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence
    I think it proper here not only to subscribe to the entire belief of the great and leading doctrines of the Christian religion, such as the Being of God, the universal defection and depravity of human nature, the divinity of the person and the completeness of the redemption purchased by the blessed Savior, the necessity of the operations of the Divine Spirit, of Divine Faith, accompanied with an habitual virtuous life, and the universality of the divine Providence, but also . . . that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom; that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness that can be enjoyed in this mortal state; that all occasions of vice and immorality is injurious either immediately or consequentially, even in this life; that as Almighty God hath not been pleased in the Holy Scriptures to prescribe any precise mode in which He is to be publicly worshiped, all contention about it generally arises from want of knowledge or want of virtue.

    Will of Richard Stockton
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    Jonathan Trumbull Sr.
    Governor of Connecticut, Patriot
    Principally and first of all, I bequeath my soul to God the Creator and Giver thereof, and body to the Earth . . . nothing doubting but that I shall receive the same again at the General Resurrection thro the power of Almighty God; believing and hoping for eternal life thro the merits of my dear, exalted Redeemer Jesus Christ.

    Will of Jonathan Trumbull
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    John Witherspoon
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence
    I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . [I]f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish.

    Anyone going to public schools (most of us) after WWII has been lied to by the anti God, and anti American, globalist traitors that want to remove the TRUTH that the only reason this nation has been the most prosperous, the most free nation that has ever existed in humna history, is very clearly because the Founders consecrated this nation the the Living God, and recognized Gods law as the foundation for ethics, morality, justice, and the way in whcih a society could actually flourish in liberty and be free of tyranny.

    I could go on and on about beseeching of God by our founders. Even after this nation was founded, Congress and the Supreme Court would initiate days of national prayer and fasting in thanks to God, and even refer to the “religiosity” of the founders speeches and writings to establish court rulings.

    This nation was created as a democratic Republic, NOT a democracy as many people think. I challenge everyone to go look up and compare the two and see how they differ. What we seem to have now is a democracy (majority rules), but a true republic which our Founding Fathers gave us, is where true liberty and justice abides.

    Our government is looking a lot like the British rule in the colonies in the 18th century…….I ask you this: When will the next revolution happen to put a stop to this madness, and go back to the model of our Founders, a model that seemed to work better than any other model human government has ever seen?????

    • Nexus789

      Sure…many quotes to the opposite can be provided.

      I have no liking of any religion but people should be able to gather to talk about and discuss anything they like as long as they are not infringing on others.

      So, chill out and make it an issue if rights and freedom of thought rather than religion.

    • Gay Veteran

      Pilgrims and religious freedom?!?!?!?!?

      “…The much-ballyhooed arrival of the Pilgrims and Puritans in New England in the early 1600s was indeed a response to persecution that these religious dissenters had experienced in England. But the Puritan fathers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony did not countenance tolerance of opposing religious views. Their “city upon a hill” was a theocracy that brooked no dissent, religious or political….”

      http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/Americas-True-History-of-Religious-Tolerance.html#ixzz20A11g6mY

    • Gay Veteran

      many of the Founding Fathers were Deists, not fundamentalist Christians.

      For example, Thomas Jefferson:

      “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man.”

      religion being one such tyranny

      • Roman6

        Rom.6

        [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
        [2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
        [3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
        [4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
        [5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
        [6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
        [7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
        [8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
        [9] Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
        [10] For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
        [11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
        [12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
        [13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
        [14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
        [15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
        [16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
        [17] But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
        [18] Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
        [19] I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
        [20] For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
        [21] What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
        [22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
        [23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    • xander cross

      All of those men have one thing in common, they raped and owned slaves. Funny how you defend these men. But then again, you’re a racist, just like your founding fathers. Amazing how all of you christians defend actual murders and rapist. Just like how all of you support jeryy sandusky. I noticed that Michael has not done an article about all the little boys were raped by sandusky. That alone speak volumes about michael so called concern about american. He is concern about american when he can attack black people and anyone or anything that is white. Come on michael, make an article about the famous hero of Pennsylvania, Jerry Sandusky.

      • DaytoDay

        That is odd that Michael hasn’t done an article or mentioned Sandusky…

        • Michael

          Obviously I think Sandusky is a perfect example of what is wrong with this country.

          And he could have been included in a whole bunch of my articles about the decline of our society. Sometimes when a story becomes a “media circus” I tend to stay away from it, but obviously Sandusky was very, very guilty and he is not going to get the punishment that he deserves.

          Michael

          • xander cross

            Michael, you know that story was not media circus. You just did not do an article about him because all of the white people that came out to support him and Joe Patterno. The cover-up of child sex slaves at white universties and yet, not a peep from you. This is the true reason why you did not do an article on Penn State, Yale, Harvard, and Ivy league colleges that have little boys service them.

      • http://rightwingamerica.com Markusdecarcus

        Xander, playing the race card is all the Liberals have. We ARE created equal in God’s and our nations eyes. Many blacks can see that and put the ” It’s all whitey’s fault” mentality aside and become productive Patriots that keep this great nation moving. Others, like yourself, bring It down by relying on entitlements from our socialist government and spinning reality with the race card and other Luberal propaganda. Man wake up, get out and do something and quit complaining….. People like you are who will destroy this nation…

        • xander cross

          Who said that I was a liberal markusdecarus. You already proved yourself to be a typical racist, just like ron paul who assumes things about other people and yet, lie all of the time on this site. People like you will destory this country, just like what the liberty movement is trying to do now.

          • http://rightwingamerica.com markusdecarcus

            Dude, lay off the koolaid, only a Liberal could possibly believe the things you say. You are in like a parallel universe where everything is opposite. Right is wrong,wrong is right, bad is good, good is bad…..Savage was right, Liberalism IS a mental disorder and YOU are living proof…….Prediction Xander will call me a racist and a liar again, that’s what liberals, high on koolaid say about everything when they realize they are WRONG and can’t think of anything else to say…..GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! the way it used to be…..

      • Sheila

        You are a ridiculous troll with little of actual fact in your posts. Please do some research as to who the founders were and WHY blacks were counted as 3/5ths (not 3/4) of a person. That was to END slavery sooner. the south wanted blacks counted so they would have a ton of reps and very few voters. The 3/5ths was a compromise to help to END slavery.

        • xander cross

          No, it was not and again, you rellay need to do research and read history. The 3/5th compromise did not helped to end slavery at all and it actually continued for many more years. So once again, you’re lying.

  • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com Ol’ Grey Ghost

    Though I am not a Christian, I am not anti-Christian as long as Christians do not try to commit crimes against me in the name of their religion. As an Anarcho-libertarian I am appalled by the government’s actions in this case if the street in front of his house was still passable while congested (we all know that to really screw up the streets one needs the government to step in and “make things all better”). I don’t think this is a war against Prayer Groups as much as it a war against people using their own property as they see fit. We can’t have people exercising their right, individually or collectively, to pursue happiness as they might actually catch it…

    http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2009/05/be-careful-what-you-lobby-for.html

    Of course, this why we have laws – so a small portion of a given population can enslave the rest (Frederic Bastiat “The Law”)…

    • xander cross

      There is no such thing as libertarism. Anarchy is chaos.

      • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com Ol’ Grey Ghost

        I’ll have to agree with you that there is no such thing as “libertarism.” But there is Libertarianism (the Sovereignty of the Individual), which is the opposite of Authoritarianism (the Sovereignty of the Social Body or Society). And Anarchy or, more appropriately, Anarchism is the absence of government and its monopoly over the exercise of force against those who disagree with it and not necessarily chaos. We can have chaos even with the presence of government. Or maybe you haven’t been keeping track of current events?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/ATRAINC Chris

    Violation against the 1st amendment. Then again, we don’t live
    in the US anymore. Look up North American Union. That’s what we
    are living in. Better yet call it Revived Roman Empire.

    • SMASH THE CONTROL MACHINE

      BETTER YET CALL IT BABYLON THE GREAT!!!

  • HecatesMoon

    There was no need to give examples for non-christians to relate to. ;)
    People don’t have enough real problems. That’s the problem. We have a bunch of people with too much time on their hands, who need something to do to focus their attention, and so piddly becomes just highly offensive, because people don’t know what a REAL problem IS.
    I am not offended by a plastic baby jesus on a courthouse lawn. I don’t care that the dollar bill says “In God we trust.” I don’t care that God is in the pledge of allegiance. And I am disgusted by this occurrence.
    This is all about people with nothing to do, nowhere to go, no hobbies, and NO REAL PROBLEMS.
    As I was taught, our form of government speaks for the MAJORITY. The majority of the United States has always been CHRISTIAN so a plastic baby Jesus, “In God we Trust”, and “One nation under God” represents the majority of the United States.
    The government reflects the beliefs and morals and policies of the majority, but PROTECTS the minority. I am the minority, but I have the right to be that, to say that I am so, and the rest of you can’t lynch me for it. :P
    Here shortly most people will have plenty of real problems, lots of work to do gathering food, sorting seeds, washing clothes by hand, etc. They won’t have time to think or focus on that nativity scene on the lawn or a church gathering at someone else’s house.

    • DaytoDay

      “This is all about people with nothing to do, nowhere to go, no hobbies, and NO REAL PROBLEMS.”

      Exactly

    • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

      Well said, I don’t care if you have a Star of David, a crescent moon, or the like on your yard; Freedom of religion is an important freedom we should all be attempting to protect, regardless of religion, because once one is “out of the way” they will move on to the next one. It happened in russia during stalin’s reign; he first took out the muslims, then the Christians, then the Jews, leading the su to be a religion-less state, where the government was “god”. It appears to be happening here as well. As Martin Niemöller said:

      “In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I

      wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up

      because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I

      didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that

      time no one was left to speak up.”
      (yes I know he was talking about nazi-germany, but the quote fits)
      -Young Patriot

      • xander cross

        Funny, you did not say any of this during slavery and segreation. Why is that typical racist? Why do you support white supremency typical racist?

        • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

          If anyone here on this site is a racist; it is you xander. You constantly call other people racist because they are white, which just proves that fact. Stop trolling.
          -Young Patriot

          • xander cross

            No, because of your racist comments that you leave behind so called patriot. Fitting for you because you’re lying by saying that you’re a patriot, and yet, you’re not. People like you, Gudio, Knightowl77, markusdcarcus, shelia.

        • http://rightwingamerica.com Markusdecarcus

          You, I think, like to say that word “racist”

      • HecatesMoon

        Patriot, I like this. :)

        “In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I

        wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up

        because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I

        didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that

        time no one was left to speak up.”
        (yes I know he was talking about nazi-germany, but the quote fits)

        • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

          Yes, I like the quote as well. We the American people need to stop our petty bickering, and realize that there is something out there that is far worse and trying to steal our rights: overreaching gov’t. (NOTE: i did not say gov’t in general, just overreaching gov’t.) Yet the media and the politicians both flare up those petty arguments and make them “national” issues, while using them to cover up how much money they put into their pockets annually, what level of corruption there is, etc. “The time has come for Americans to stand and realize who they are, and to defend those rights which we fought so hard to obtain; chiefly among them; Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.” We need to realize that though we may be different, we ARE ALL Americans.
          -Young Patriot

    • Gay Veteran

      “…I am not offended by a plastic baby jesus on a courthouse lawn….”

      what, is there a shortage of church grounds or home yards for these displays?

      I object to anyone using the power of the STATE to push their religious beliefs.

      • HecatesMoon

        Gay, that is representation of the majority.
        I, like everyone else, have been exposed my whole life to christian symbols all over the place. In fact, my mother put me in a catholic high school!! lol My aunt used to make me go to church when I was a kid and I spent the summers with her.
        My father HATED them for it. He was afraid that I would be influenced, swayed to christianity for the bombardment.
        That never happened.
        Using the power of the state to push/ force a religious belief would be imprisoning you if you don’t go to church or if you refuse to give money to a church or refuse to declare acceptance of whatever faith. Pushing would be fines, pushing would be denying access to places or things for not falling in line. Force would be punishment. Force would be death if you refused.
        That still happens in quite a few countries too. Comply or die.
        We are so used to having all these protections or having had them that we don’t realize just how good we have had it. Being able to be different and to still be SAFE….that is still, even these days, a really big deal to a whole lot of people.
        When I see the town square here decorated I don’t think, “How dare they!” I think, “Look how pretty everything is. How pretty the bows, lights, and garland. I love Christmas time.”
        When someone says they will pray for me, I say thank you. When they say “God bless you.” I just smile and say, “And you as well”. *shrug*
        They are words to me. Decorations are objects.
        Now if someone mistreats me, should anyone ever try to use force and push me into a church, to make declarations I don’t truly feel, THEN yes, I would turn quite nasty, have turned nasty before.

        • Gay Veteran

          you need to read up on establishment of religion and the First Amendment

          • HecatesMoon

            If we talk about the ideology and constitution up to 1994 it’s one thing.
            1947- adding the states to not having established religions I think was appropriate since they are government and connected to federal government.
            1994 Establishment clause came about due to a supreme court case that was actually about giving funds to a school based on religion. I think that falls in line with denying access based on religious beliefs or in that case giving funds based on religious belief which is what I spoke of as pushing and force.
            The wording though “government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion” does leave things wide open to interpretation beyond what the court case was about where yes, now it can be said that it refers not only to preference in allocating funds, but to even decorating for a holiday season or bearing a symbol at any time of the year.
            If you and I talk about the constitution as of 1994, the ability to interpret the clause on it’s wide open wording, then yes, Gay I suppose you have me. :D
            But why must it turn from what that clause was originally based on into erasing symbolism of the majority completely off the map? Why have people become so very, intensely sensitive?

      • jaxon64

        How is it “pushing” you? Grow a pair girlfriend. You must go into convulsions when you see churches on the side of the road or a cross around someone’s neck. Are you feeling pushed when you go to a funeral and they say a prayer–the revulsion you feel from the mention or sight of anything Godly or Holy is quite telling.

        At one time in this country the Federal government, the buildings and the land BELONGED TO THE PEOPLE. This is an excellent example of how ” a government by the people, of the people and for the people” has indeed perished from the earth. The people no longer own the country as a collective. The Fed Gov has become an outside entity dictating and regulating the masses instead of the intent which was the reverse !!

        So if we cannot place a nativity scene or a Christmas tree on PUBLIC PROPERTY- aka federal or state govt property- then America is dead, the Constitution is dead, nul and void and we are just a people in transition from our former state of freedom and liberty who are being conditioned for a formal announcement of our socialist overlords.

        PS: I understand why you hate Christianity–we accept and love you as a person and a fellow sinner just like all of us, but we will always know that homosexual acts are a sin just as we know that lyiong, murder, any type of adulktery, thievery etc etc–are all wrong and therefore sins.

        I also understand that atheists have no way of celebrating their deep faith in nothingness. In a way I admire the incredible amount and depth of faith it must take to be an atheist. Ultimately atheism is not a disbelief in God–it is a deep abiding faith and belief that “there is no god”. Contrary to the amazing order and design of the universe down to the smallest genetic chains and chemical bondings, you still believe that “Everything came From Nothing”..that is ultimately what atheists believe. So when Christians, Muslims Jews etc celebrate their faith your only way to respond is with hatred and attacks because what you believe has no substance.

        It saddens me to think of you and the millions of others who will stand before the Almighty-on the other side of Death–and He will grant you exactly as you wished–you want nothing to do with God?..then off you go for eternity…sorry but God is not an ogre or vindictive === He’ll give you exactly as YOU chose…..

  • Dave Webb

    Concerning the Bible Study. How long has he been holding Bible Studies in this home? How old is the law concerning home meetings?
    It could be that they are out of line locally here because if it is a zoning law then they are grandfathered in.
    So their lawyer didn’t think of this?
    Do me a little favor with the Bible Study. Have them brush the dirt from their clothes as they leave the court room.
    Arizona has a history. There is a lot of dark stuff going on in Arizona. If truth were known, there is probably a secret club or two. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Judge is in on it. Has anyone checked out what kind of decisions he has generally given out concerning religious issues?
    This deserves to go to a higher court. But the way I see it,the lawyers are having a field day with people having to fight courts involved in illegal activities. They know. They also have immunity from being sued.
    I guess one of the things that needs to be changed is liability of people in government that deliberately do illegal things. If the legal fees came out of their pockets we might see an attitude change.
    Perhaps this is also a subject for a federal law over riding local law. Or just go with the Constitution. But I see no penalty for judges ot acting right.

  • Lunatic?…

    “The war on home Bible studies and house churches is heating up again.” Yeah, the everyday christian people with their self-righteous style of holiness are once again digging themself into a HOLE of “hole-iness”. GET OUT to the everyday people!!! Monasteries?!, no, no, no!!! Go out among the living, the lost sheeps!!!

    • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

      Lunatic, the reason Christians want to spread the Gospels (good news) is because we believe that those who are not Christians go to hell. So if a Christian tries to convert you, it is your right to decline, but at least thank them, because someone cares enough about you to try to keep you from going to hell. Plus, he was hosting a Bible study with all Christians, who already believe in Jesus, they were just convening in his house. That should not be a crime, but I guess now it is.
      -Young Patriot

      • xander cross

        LOL. You seriously need to read your bible again, because you just poseted a bunch of lies and misquotes. Man, you’re such a liar. Just like Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell. Christ never said that anyone was gonig to hell and second, you’re quoting from the false bible that was made by a homossexual king. How sad you are. Man, you’re a sad human being.

        • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

          Actually xander, it is you and barry (whom you obviously love so dearly) that are the liars. Read up on what Paul and barry stand for. Plus, not once in the above statement did I quote anything; thus invalidating everything you just said.
          -Young Patriot

        • http://rightwingamerica.com markusdecarcus

          I didn’t know Howard Zinn wrote a bible, it must be the one YOU are reading, he spun our history so bad the Communists honored him for indoctrinating America. Why would a homosexual king write a book that condemns homosexuality with death? You definitely had way too much koolaid….

          • xander cross

            Because, he had control over the masses and his homosexual life was never exposed until later on. Also, the orginial texts in the bible never said homosexuality was a sin, that was put in there by the cathloic church decades later. Again, you lie, just like most people in the liberty movement, just like alex jones.

  • ScoutMotto

    The Bible says “Whatever a man sows, that will he also reap.” This is inescapable. Those who vandalized his home will reap the same. It is all a pity.

  • mondobeyondo

    The First Amendment also guarantees the freedom of RELIGION. Which means anyone and everyone should be allowed to practice whatever religion they choose. That gentleman should be allowed to host a Bible study anywhere in this country without fear. The same for Jews who wish to hold a bar mitzvah, or Catholics who wish to go to Mass, Muslims who wish to kneel and pray 5 times a day, and so on.

    Apparently, the Constitution is no longer relevant in American society today. That is beyond sad.

  • mondobeyondo

    Anyone else see any parallels between 1930′s Germany and 2000′s America?

    • http://rightwingamerica.com markusdecarcus

      Absolutely, we are almost there. The Libs can’t and won’t see it until they are herded up in boxcars and promised a free dinner with Obama..I refuse to drink the koolaid….

      • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

        Mark: I know many libs who would enjoy seeing those of us who (in their words) “dare” to see and interpret things for ourselves, locked in boxcars and shipped to death camps. They attack us if we do not believe exactly what they believe. Then they all cry and call us “intolerant” and “ignorant” when we show valid facts, and offer our opinion on a subject. Many of them are control freaks, and diversity freaks them out. I once saw a poster that said “Accept diversity so that we can all be the same”. It is an illogical and oxymoronic poster; and describes their train of thought exactly. They wish to force their opinions on us, and they claim to be the “tolerant ones”. (PS: Those same people that would see us individuals not afraid of voicing our opinions shipped away; they are high school age kids. My age level is about as jam packed with socialist supporters as you can get. It is a sad, sad day.)
        -Young Patriot

        • Gay Veteran

          “I know many libs who would enjoy seeing those of us who (in their words) “dare” to see and interpret things for ourselves, locked in boxcars and shipped to death camps.”

          eyeroll, tell us EXACTLY how many liberals have said this to you

          THY SHALT NOT LIE.

  • Dave Webb

    Go to the American Civil Liberties Union and file a complaint on the federal level. They normally are against religion. But in this case they might act different.
    The City of Phoenix has a problem. For one thing the punishment does not fit the crime.
    I remember history lessons. At one point in 17th Century England, it was a hanging offence to steal a loaf of bread. When this country was formed a lot of people were deported to the colonies for stealing a loaf of bread. They put federal guarantees against excessive penalties for minor crimes.
    The jail time and the fine are out of line with federal law. Normally Federal law supersedes state and city law. Make it an election issue locally. Christians vote. Vote the current bunch out of office at the first opportunity. Make sure you know who is behind this court thing. You have a constitutional right to face your accusers. That means the people who have complained have to show up in court. Most are too cowardly to show up. Case closed if the accusers do not show up.
    Change locations. Every bible study is at a different location. Find some local churches to sponsor your group studies. There are a lot of empty churches on week nights that would love to have guests studying the bible under this man or anyone devoted enough to teach the bible.
    Hold a church dinner once a month for everyone that wants to study. Make it pot luck. Everyone brings a dish. Have guest speakers. That way no one person is set up as a target.
    Ask for equality under the construction code. Ask them to close all the poker party nights in the city. If the code discriminates between one group of people and another,then the code is thrown off the books as discrimination.
    Make sure all your people are registered to vote. Spread the word amongst all the Christian Voters that such and such people like judges have done this thing. Name names. Get up impeachment partitions against the local judges doing this.
    Part of my education was from a secretary to a Washington DC lobbyest dating back to WWII. Exposure and naming names is the best weapon available to Christians every where.
    The reason these people are able to do this is that a lot of Christians are afraid to get active against these people.

    • Gay Veteran

      “Go to the American Civil Liberties Union and file a complaint on the federal level. They normally are against religion….”

      This is utterly not true. The ACLU is opposed to using STATE power to promote religion.

  • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

    Absolutely appalling. I bet if it was any other religion besides Christianity (say islam); the police department would get sued, and the public outcry would be great. Plus (if it was islam specifically), they would have gotten millions of dollars in donations (has happened before). What has happened to our country? If you don’t believe Jesus is the lord and savior, you are entitled to believe that; however, respect our beliefs if you want yours respected too. articles like this only strengthen my faith that Christ shall deliver us; for the hard times always precede the times of bliss.
    -Young Patriot

    • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

      This is going to spark a trolling spiel from gary2 and xander, I can already tell.
      -Young Patriot

      • xander cross

        Of course you did not read the entire article and plus, the pastor lied and so did Michael. The fact that you did not READ the article proves my point about you.

        • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

          Actually, I did read the article. Your level of ignorance and racism (which you accuse everyone else of being; while not acknowledging the fact that you yourself are one) once again proves that you drink too much kool-aid. Have a nice day :)
          -Young Patriot

          • xander cross

            No, you did not. You’re lying again. It’s an insult that you actually calling yourself a patriot.

          • MB92083

            Young man (Patriot), don’t bother refuting or arguing with xander, he is obviously not well. The world is all wrong, he is right. Anyone who doesn’t agree with him is racist. Personal attacks (liar, racist, ect) with no facts or reasoning to support his claims, classic self delusion. He should be pitied, not argued with.

          • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

            MB92O83: Part of the reason that I reply to xander is to see how “ignorant” his posts can be. One of these days I am going to tally them all up and show the factual evidence to him that all of his posts are exactly what he accuses us of doing. “The one way to make a liberal come to terms is to show them how hypocritical they are. It does not always work, however, because so many are just beyond hope.” I have seen it work effectively a few times, and if it does not change his viewpoint, it might at least shut him up for a while.
            -Young Patriot

  • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

    Michael, once again; thank you for posting what the media does not. If people knew what was really happening, instead of being spoonfed from the liberal media and fox, then maybe the situation would be different.
    -Young Patriot

    • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

      And every time I have shared one of your articles, it has been ignored, and I was called a radical idiot. Yes, some of your articles can be defined as “radical”; but in the environment we are in, they speak the truth.
      -Young Patriot

      • Michael

        Thank you for sharing the articles. In this day and time the truth is mocked, and it is only going to get worse.

        But there are some people out there that are waking up.

        Michael

        • xander cross

          Michael, you know that you lied by omission right? I knew that you only post only half of the story and not the lies that the pastor told. Shame.

          • HecatesMoon

            what lies?

          • HecatesMoon

            Just read the facebook comments about the big building and all that. Hmmmm….
            I must think on this a bit…..

        • http://rightwingamerica.com markusdecarcus

          Thank God they are waking up,that and prayer are our only hope….

  • Cyk

    Seems that now even dancing is a crime in the United Prisons of America.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/waltz_the_charge_officer_8jQ7kbvZwVhaU4PxNi917K

  • http://www.urban-survival.us scguy

    This is just wrong. I think the author expressed most of my views as a peaceful gathering is a peaceful gathering regardless of whether it is for a bible study, tupperware party, football game, wedding or whatever. Perhaps he shouldn’t have had the large cross in the front yard which made it appear to be a church or commercial property but the right to assemble is there. Goverment is taking over everthing and it will either opress us or there will be a revolution or protest. Get ready for the collapse. go to http://www.urban-survival.us and get your survival needs.

  • Karen

    The world elite are very much against Christianity they are satanic they worship Baal or the other name for this entity in the old testament is jehovah they believe in child sacrifices and child porn that is why a bunch of doctors are pushing for a law on 2013 to make it legal to have sex with adolence the pope is very evil just look at all the men priest that you constantly hear of that are abusing children sexually look at all the regulions in the world they all have some sort of evil thing they do to women either acid in there face or some type of sick religion to kill or disfigure women or children

  • Cinderella Man

    We live in a police state and that is the state of things… this is truly unbelievable!!! And I cant believe the FB commenters above defending the cops and city for doing this!! I think some people like being slaves! So what the guy wanted to make a church. Oh but he didnt have the proper permits? Who cares??

    • xander cross

      Who cares? people like you that support government. You talk real big, but we know that you’re not gonig to anything and neither is Michael, who actually posted up a lie in this article. Lying by ommission is still lying from a so called christian.

      • http://rightwingamerica.com markusdecarcus

        Wow Xander, you actually made a correct statement, we do support the Government, with our taxes so the Government can support you and the rest of the radical Left. Soon there won’t be anymore incentive to prosper, the rich will run out of money or move away from the ridiculous taxation (without representation)to protect their assets. The people will get the Government they deserve. Usually the first ones eliminated by a socialist regime are the usurpers, so watch out Xander. I for one will ONLY obey the Constitution and will die before I submit to anything else. We are tired of working like crazy to support the lazy…I think I speak for most TRUE Patriots here…

  • Michael Petek

    On the day after 9/11, Sen. Tom Daschle quoted from Isaish 9:10: “The bricks have fallen down, but we will rebuild with dressed stone.”

    On the first anniversary of 9/11, a huge stone, cut and dressed at the quarry, was placed at Ground Zero with the same words from Isaish 9:10.

    On the second anniversary of 9/11, a cedar tree was planted at Ground Zero, after the next phrase in that scripture: “The fig trees have been felled, but we will replace them with cedars.”

    On the third anniversary of 9/11, VP candidate John Edwards quoted from the same scripture.

    The words of Isaiah 9:10 were words of pride and arrogance with which Israel’s judgement was sealed.

    If I’m not mistaken, God has finished with the United States.

  • Louis

    We should prayer for our brother and sisters in Christ JESUS who stand up for there beliefs and principles. As for those people who think this is about a city ordiance and the Law think again, READ YOUR CONSTITUTION About the right to assemble. I gurantee you that you will be next. Either you take a STAND for Christ JESUS or you don’t and if you don’t you are already choosing a side. As for me in my house I choose JESUS and with my brother and sister in Christ.

    P.S. Cheryl we are all follower of someone my question to you who do you follow. Just something to think about. I will pray for you

    • xander cross

      Stop lying Louis. The constituion does not grant you anything if the government gives it to you and can take it away from you at the same times. You have no rights, you never did, thanks to your founding fathers. Also, why do you all support a document that acutally helped enslaved many of my ancestors against their will? You are a sick man.

  • wolkenpass

    Every day I thank God I live in England, and without help from 15 other people

  • de Malfosse

    Yet Christians will continue to “support the troops”, “support the wars”, & wave the flag in “support of the country”.

    In a very cruel sense the servile American Christian community will deserve the servitude they reap at the hands of Uncle Sam.

  • Gay Veteran

    “…But this is just the beginning. Bible-believing Christians are now considered to be “outside the mainstream” and are being attacked in unprecedented ways….”

    I don’t like the way Michael Salman was treated, and I absolutely condemn what the vandal(s) did to Keith Mason’s home.

    However, you are engaged in sheer hyperbole. Are Bible-believing Christians being attacked in unprecedented ways? Certainly not based merely on 2 stories.

    You want a REAL example of being attacked in unprecedented ways?

    “…The story spread through the state of Texas like wildfire—a teenage lesbian couple was shot, one killed, one wounded, in a park at night about two weeks ago…

    Mary Kristene Chapa, 18 and Mollie Olgin, 19 were on their way to a movie when they stopped in a local park in Portland, Texas, where a witness claims a white male approached them with a gun.

    The couple was found the next morning, and Olgin was pronounced dead on the scene, her death ruled a homicide. Chapa remains in the hospital after suffering a gunshot wound to the head, and has recently regained consciousness….”

    Vigil held in D.C. to honor teen lesbian couple shot in Texas
    http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/07/vigil-held-in-d-c-to-honor-teen-lesbian-couple-shot-in-texas/

  • xander cross

    Michale, you should be ashamed of yourself. Lying on this article. SMH.

  • xander cross

    I meant. Michael, just because someone is christian, does not mean, you should play the victim card all the time. Lying by ommission, is still lying.

    • MB92083

      You should know a little about lying, as your father the devil was a liar from the beginning. Most readers on this blog see right through your evil lies.
      Who are you to accuse someone else of playing the victim card when you just posted about the founding fathers and slavery? The ultimate victim card, my ancestors were forced into slavery 200 years ago.
      Michael is a true Christian who won’t respond to your racist world view. I applaud him for posting your foolish comments.

      • xander cross

        The founding fathers owned slaves you fool. Man, you people loves telling lies. You did not even do any type of reserach. Again, it’s an insult that you claim that you’re a christian. This is a sad country.

        • A Concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

          Once again, you selectively read, and misinterpret the information. He was not denying the fact that they had slaves (the majority actually treated their slaves very kindly, Washington even freed his at his death). He was stating that the fact that you must resort to using the “founding fathers had slaves” card as your argument just proves that you are incapable of an intelligent reply.
          -Young Patriot

      • http://rightwingamerica.com markusdecarcus

        Amen …

  • http://shtfplan.com NetRanger

    I think its kind of strange: you can carry a gun, concealed or open in AZ, yet, having a home Bible study in your home without permission is a crime? So, guns are free for anyone over 18 to carry but you have to have a permit to have a home Bible study?

    I know they say its about “safety” but I believe thats totally made up. I thank God that I live in a state that doesn’t do that. In fact, my state is number three. AZ is twenty two.

    Its just about control. He opposed them, they used whatever they could to teach him a lesson.

  • Nathan Nigel Havers

    All of the evil which America has done around the world, be it the drugs, the weapons, support for Mugabe and overthrowing Rhodesia, the ANC, MFN for Communist China, the filth from Hollywood and Madison Avenue, or the MTV culture, abandoning the Hmong to die in Laos … all of it … seeding Iraq and Afghanistan with depleted uranium … it is all coming back to haunt us.

    Period.

    We as Bible-believing Christians and Catholics are hated by our own government and military. Christians will be driven out of the Army and Air Force in coming decades — keep an eye on that.

    • xander cross

      But you voted for this government during the bush adminstration. Again, people like you enjoy lying. Yes, you voted republican and tea party. Why do you want the government to be against anyone that disagrees with you.

  • El Pollo de Oro

    For many years, I tried to warn the born-again neocon Christian Right fundamentalists that fascism and authoritarianism were dangerous. But they would hear none of it. They supported the George W. Bush regime’s shredding of the Constitution, they loved the Patriot Act, they loved the racist War on Drugs, they applauded the police state, they questioned your patriotism if you didn’t support the Republican big government neocon agenda, they screamed against those “godless” libertarians like Justin Raimondo, Gary Johnson, Katherine Albrecht and the late Irv Homer. Well, the Christian Right got the fascist police state that they wanted, and now, it’s biting them in the ass. They cheered when jackbooted thugs were stomping the hell out of folks in the hood; they had no problem with the murders of Alberta Spruill or the Rev. Accelyne Williams, but now that the police state is turning on them just as I predicted, they don’t like it.

    “George Orwell would be shocked if he saw what was happening. It’s far greater than he could have ever imagined.”—Gerald Celente

    Welcome to The Banana Republic of America, where those who cheered on the police state are now being pulverized by the monster they supported.

  • albert

    first, i love the lord, second i too am one who never really trusted “big bro” and got into all the “survival”,”prepping” on and on…and i have been involved with alternative religious activities.. i now for many years have been a member of a city board and tons of committees and am now very proud to be a part of the solution rather than just a watching worrier that i was and that most anti-govt. wanna be’s are… now, to the neighborhood church issue, which is what it was, not a gathering in his home as i read it…there are in every town zoning codes and for good reason, yes they often are a bit more restrictive that i would like, but in general, they are needed, it is the nature of man to push things to an extreme if there are no boundaries.. heck folks, even as a christian we have been given boundaries by the lord himself, pause and think about that.. we are not “free” to do what ever it is we “want” to do especially if that which i want to do effects in any way the freedoms of others around us.

    this guy in what i read was shut down because he built a 2 thousand sq.ft. building (i am guessing also no building permit??)and then used it for non residential zoned use’s and then pushed that to the extreme.. now most town boards may have let that this all slide if the guy had simply built a garage with the proper building permit, and then happened to have a group of friends over every Sunday or what ever day for bible study. as Christians the lord told us not push ourselves in the face of others, he did. the lord told us if we are not welcome move on, the lord did most his “work” out of town or in “passing thru”…those guys you see on the streets yelling about Jesus..on and on,..they are wrong even though it is there right according to the law of man, bottom line is this..this man “CHOSE TO LIVE” in a community, and thus should have complied with the requirements of that community, he also had the “right” to move to another town, or not live within a community structure at all.what this man did is make a mockery of the church, and that i can not believe is good.

    • milady

      yes this is most likely the case, and why live in such a restrictive and obviously overpopulated overregulated neighborhood anyway? most people who want to be independent of city codes move out of the city limits. this is only common sense. Especially if you want to build. There is a great deal of open land in the usa just sitting there waiting for us to move out of the densely populated centers of iniquity, God help us get our chunk of it.

  • albert

    after reading again many posts above, i need to say this, these are the signs of the times, complain all you will folks, fight it, whatever…but as Christians we pray for “his return” yet cry to holy heaven on the signs of it’s coming ! remember how the lord was asked by the apostles about the signs? and he got a little agitated and said, how is it you know ——— , yet can not see the signs of the times? that is us, there is nothing we are going to do to stop the coming persecution of Christians and or the the belief in the lord Jesus, nothing. and the lord would rather we be discrete and pray in private, that is in the “word”. having the right to do a thing, and doing the right thing are two different things.

    I pray i can be alive to see his coming, and know for that honor i may suffer greatly, so be it.

    maybe these folks that gathered in his “home?” can get together and buy and acre or two, and build another church..that would be cheaper than a prolonged court battle.

    rant ends.

  • Max Penn

    The pilgrims came to America because of the exact thing that is now happening in America. We have come full circle. Saddly there is no place to move to anymore to get away from the hate everything crowd.

  • S. Wiseman

    “Fortunately, authorities in that case have backed off at least for now after immense public pressure.”
    That’s really all it takes… public pressure, just say NO. The beast is afraid of you and has no power. If they had power they wouldn’t have to use brute force to compel the people to do its bidding. I long for the day when Americans will wake up and realize the simple truth that Etienne Boetie told a long time ago (The Politics of Obedience/The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude). A wise man once said that if you resist the enemy, he will flee.

  • buffalo buger

    When the property taxes where payed who payed the taxes a church or the property owner? If the owner payed and the county accepted the money then this is a clear case of religious “Discrimination”. plain and simple

    The government bigots need punished

  • Alice

    Would the crime and penalty be the same if the offender were a Muslim? Would the local government prosecute?

  • JOHN

    I’m glad I don’t live in the US. I can’t belieive what I’m reading here. You may live in the land of the brave and the free but you also live in the land of the stupid. There is more to these stories than that is related by the author. Before you believe what is said you must test it with evidence. Don’t even believe the history of your country that was taught to you at your inadequate schools.

  • milady

    if there was a neighborhood association, that might dictate what you can do or not do on your property. as a resident you are automatically a member, and the only way out is to move. the city may have ordinances such as zoning, which dictate usage of properties in that zone (his was probably residential only). these are ordinances that were voted on by some body of people and passed. they either can be altered by another vote or you can find a friendlier less restricitve neighborhood or town. His was a de facto church and it might have been unnoticed if it was really in his home and there was no sign. This type of ordinance makes people build their churches where churches and other nonresidential buildings are zoned to exist. this stuff happens for things like traffic management, noise abatement, etc etc. The public does have a say in this usually, in creating thee rules. It’s merely a matter of finding the right location for a building that is not a residence. But as for the other , actual house churches and home bible studies, that stuff is a different matter.

  • Dave

    Michael SalmanSentenced: Michael Salman, ordained Church of God in Christ (COGIC) minister; pastor, Harvest Christian Fellowship (also: Facebook); and owner, Mighty Mike’s Burgers, Phoenix, Arizona; to 60 days in jail and three years of probation for “representing as a church on his home property without securing the proper permits,” reports the Christian Post. azfamily.com reports: “Inside a back building on his property … is a pulpit and chairs — room for the 30 to 40 who gather here weekly. Still Salman insists this is no public church. … Inspectors say for what Salman was doing, he needed dozens of building and safety updates. All Salman says he was doing was practicing freedom of religion. The court disagreed. … The Maricopa County Prosecutor’s Office tells 3TV that this is not a religious freedom issue, but that Salman has consistently refused to comply with building codes and safety standards that are required by law.” In one of his protest videos posted to YouTube (under the alias “Kryptologos”), Salman declares: “I’m a criminal because I’m a Christian.”

    The Christian Post also notes that “the Salmans have launched an online petition on Change.org directed to the ‘Mayor and City Council’ of Phoenix. So far, only 93 visitors have signed the petition, which needs 100,000 supporters.” That may be because angry neighbors are upset about his building a 4,200-square-foot structure up against the property line, according to a lengthy 2008 profile in the Phoenix New Times, which quotes several neighbors, including one who recounted a neighborhood meeting with Salman: “He gave us a lecture on the fact that all of us were going to make money on our property, and if we were true Christians, we ought to be willing to sacrifice a little bit. … That meeting is where the real animosity started. He made no effort at being conciliatory or cooperative. That really united the neighbors against him. He was his own worst enemy.”

    The New Times also reports that Salman — who has been divorced, yet is reportedly vehemently opposed to marriage equality — is a former gang member with a prison record, and was once arrested for impersonating a police officer, purportedly in order to scare a boy who was “fooling around” with a girl in Salman’s church. Two years earlier, Salman, “hoping to scare the hell out of a kid who’d been messing with his girlfriend’s little brother,” reportedly “donned a Raiders T-shirt and fired five rounds from a .38 special into the kid’s house,” nearly hitting the boy’s mother. He was found guilty of aggravated assault and sentenced to six years in prison. Also: “In 1994, Salman had filed paperwork claiming that he belonged to the Embassy of God. That meant, the document claimed, that he didn’t need to follow United States law.”

    Salman has not yet begun his 60-day sentence; when he surrended June 16th, jail officials “inexplicably” sent him home. Story: Phoenix New Times, January 17, 2008; Phoenix New Times, April 15, 2011; azfamily.com, June 19, 2012; Phoenix New Times, June 20, 2012; Christian Post, June 21, 2012.

  • …..

    Your only allowed to gave gay orgies in America. Didn’t you guys get the memo from your fake African commander in bs?

  • http://none cadman

    who filed the complaint?

    if there is evidence of “damages”, then the complainant should have sued in court.

    code violations are not law, they are administrative rules that apply only to those who have a ‘contract’ with the administrative agency.

    IF there is no evidence of ‘damages’, OR no evidence of a complaining party, THEN there is no valid CAUSE OF ACTION, and no standing in court.

    in other words, it’s all a hoax people, and you’ve fallen for it out of ignrance.

    wake up and learn the basics of asserting your rights in the legal forum:

    http://www.jurisdictionary.com

  • chuck harper

    Maybe some fact checking would be in order here? Headlines such as “imprisoned for preaching” and “jailed for Bible studies” are the teasers for liberal and conservative sides alike, all based upon the presumed removal of some sort of liberty for poor Michael. These “freedom reporters” are doing all Americans a serious disservice when cases such as this are broadcast as actual attacks on personal rights. Are you starting to see the twisted way information is presented, even in the alternative media, on issues close to the heart such as personal freedoms? These fractured presentations are dangerous to the actual complaints involving loss of freedoms, in that every such claim becomes another who has “cried wolf” when liberty is in jeopardy. From where I sit, “poor Michael” was the one encroaching on personal rights- the rights of his neighbors. http://phoenix.gov/news/071212salmanfacts.html

    This case is not about freedom of religion. Read everything completely. Be careful that you don’t side with the wrong wolf.

  • Alan Templeton

    I have a feeling, chuck, that it would be a great battle of wolves. Trouble is, who says which the good wolf and which one is the bad wolf.

  • Anon

    Yaaay, death to the bible, death to a boring book

    • Wallace Barbosa de Souza

      LOL, many people will miss it, when they finally end up in the hell, burning in fire…

  • me

    I am reading this and just rolling my eyes … clearly this is a very biassed and cherry picked article … this has nothing to do with religious freedom, this is about a couple breaking the law and disrespecting their neighbors and being arrogant and self righteous about it.

  • me

    so your answer is that people will burn and you laugh about that? Are you joking around … I sure hope so

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