Why Does The U.S. Government Treat Military Veterans Like Human Garbage?

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The way that the U.S. government treats military veterans is absolutely disgraceful.  Men and women that have given everything for this nation are literally being treated like human garbage by their own government.  After watching how vets are treated, it is absolutely amazing that anyone is still volunteering to be a part of the military.  We pay those in the military like crap, we keep sending our best soldiers back to Afghanistan and Iraq again and again, we don’t equip them properly, military suicides are at a record pace, hundreds of thousands of applications for veteran benefits are hopelessly backlogged, homelessness and unemployment among vets is much higher than for the general population, the condition of most VA hospitals is an absolute disgrace, and to top everything off now the Obama administration has started labeling military veterans as “potential terrorists”.  What you are about to read should make you very angry.  The abuse, neglect and outright disrespect that military vets receive from their own government is absolutely shocking.  We owe these men and women a great debt for the service that they have performed for our nation, but instead the federal government kicks them to the curb and treats them with no honor whatsoever.  The way a nation treats military vets says a lot about the character of that nation, and right now the way that America treats veterans says that we have the character of a steaming pile of manure.


Multiple Tours Of Duty

The U.S. military just keeps sending young men and women back to Iraq and Afghanistan over and over again without any regard for what the consequences might be.

If you can believe it, an astounding 20 percent of all active duty soldiers in the U.S. Army are on at least their third tour of duty.

Many others have done four tours of duty or more.

The following is from a recent Christian Science Monitor article….

Some 107,000 Army soldiers have been deployed to war three or more times since 2001, or some 20 percent of the active-duty force. More than 50,000 of those currently in uniform have completed four or more combat tours, Army figures indicate.

The physical, mental and emotional toll of these multiple tours of duty should not be underestimated.  It is absolutely unprecedented in U.S. history for so many men to be sent back into frequent combat situations so repeatedly.  The price of this foolishness could potentially be felt throughout our society for decades to come.

Record Number Of Suicides

The fact that many of our soldiers are spending way too much time in active war zones is a big reason why military suicides are at a record pace so far in 2012.

The stress of combat duty builds up over time.  The physical, mental and emotional fatigue that comes with serving in combat is immense.  Many soldiers see their marriages end, and others are left with severe physical and mental disabilities.

At some point many serving in the military cannot take it anymore and they commit suicide.

During the month of July, there were 56 suicides in the U.S. military in just 31 days.

That is absolutely disgraceful, but very little is being done about the underlying causes of these suicides.

Paying To Get Your Medal?

Many U.S. soldiers return home from war only to find that they are being billed by their own government.

One soldier even discovered that he was going to have to pay a 21 dollar shipping fee to get his Purple Heart.  The following is from the Huffington Post….

War comes with an incalculable human cost. And apparently a shipping fee of about $21.

Retired Sgt. Major Rob Dickerson says that’s the price he was forced to pay when his Purple Heart — the medal issued to soldiers wounded in action — arrived at his door, C.O.D.

Instead of being awarded the military honor in a formal ceremony, the vet with 29 years in the service was handed his award, and a shipping invoice, by a FedEx deliveryman outside his Sioux Falls, S.D., home.

Endless Waiting For Veteran Benefits

You would think that soldiers returning from war should quickly and easily be able to apply for the veteran benefits that they are owed.

Unfortunately, the complete opposite is the case.

As I have written about previously, applying for veteran benefits is extremely complicated, and VA employees are actually paid bonuses for denying claims….

The truth is that we have made it extremely difficult for our military veterans to claim the benefits that we have promised them.  Vets have to fill out an absurdly complicated 23 page application and if they make even one small mistake their applications can be stonewalled for years.  The U.S. Veterans Administration actually has a policy under which they pay large bonuses to employees that meet certain application processing goals.  This explains why approximately 70% of the claims submitted to the Veterans Administration are refused or sent back to be redone.  In fact, using the Freedom of Information Act, one local NBC station was able to learn that $250,000 was paid in bonuses to VA employees who work inside the Poff Federal Building in Roanoke, Virginia in just one year alone.

Not only that, but a report issued by the VA’s Office of Inspector General said the department issued millions of dollars in performance awards to employees nationwide over a two year period in 2007 and 2008.

According to CNN, one retired VA official was singled out for improperly approving a very large number of bonuses and the report said that she “acted as if she was given a blank checkbook to write unlimited monetary awards.”

Even if you do fill out your paperwork correctly, at best you are going to be waiting many months to find out if your claim is approved or not….

The average claim adjudication wait time is as few as 183 days or as many as 300, depending on who you ask. Claims processed in Oakland, Calif., the second-worst backlogged region in the nation according to a May Inspector General’s report, take nearly a year to get approved or denied. The backlog worsened in 2010 when VA Secretary Eric Shinseki added a handful of new medical conditions to the list of ailments presumed connected with exposure to the Vietnam-era herbicide Agent Orange, a move that was lauded by veterans’ groups. But this month the VA officials announced they were nearing the end of processing about 230,000 retroactive Agent Orange claims. And the majority of the nearly 920,000 total claims still pending before the department remain overdue.

Many veterans feel that they would be better off sending their documents into a black hole than sending them to the VA.  The level of negligence at some VA offices is absolutely shocking….

Back in 2009, a VA office in Detroit turned in 16,000 unprocessed mail and 717 unprocessed documents that were stuck in storage and hadn’t even been looked at. Many other documents were found in shredding bins, not just in one office but in several regional offices.

The truth is that thousands upon thousands of vets that legitimately should be getting benefits are having their claims denied.  Just check out the following example from a recent Veterans Today article….

In one case, we found a veteran with 40 percent of his brain removed found to be healthy and employable.  He was also missing his right arm.  The physician who examined him over looked the arm and failed to note the cognitive degeneration the traumatic brain injury had caused.

What in the world is wrong with us?

How can we treat our vets this way?

Horrific Economic Problems

The unemployment rate for veterans is much higher than the overall rate of unemployment, and military veterans are losing their homes at a much faster rate than the general population as well.

According to Veterans Today, a shockingly high percentage of military families have been losing their homes since 2008….

Figures lie, some groups are counted, some are not.  But the lowest figures available have one in three families, this includes active duty serving overseas, reservists and National Guard and veterans losing their homes since 2008.

Two thirds of those are now “split up” with at least one member listed as “homeless.”  Almost all are, according to official figures, “living in poverty.”

200,000 Military Veterans Sleeping On The Streets Of America

The U.S. government does not prepare our vets to come back and reintegrate into society.  They just kind of kick them to the curb and hope that they can find jobs.

Sadly, homeless vets will be sleeping the streets of every major U.S. city tonight.  The following is from a recent article in the Los Angeles Times….

According to the latest count by the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority, the number of homeless individuals in Los Angeles County dropped by 3% between 2009 and 2011. The numbers declined for all groups except one: veterans. There were 9,000 homeless veterans here in 2011, a 24% increase over 2009. And the number of chronically homeless veterans — individuals who are homeless because of severe mental disabilities — increased by more than 100%, from 1,243 to 2,520.

And more are coming. California’s Department of Veterans Affairs estimated in 2009 that 28,000 vets would return from Iraq and Afghanistan per year during this administration.

Overall, it is estimated that 200,000 military veterans will be sleeping on the streets of America tonight.

Say a prayer for them because they need it.

The Shocking Condition Of VA Hospitals

When wounded soldiers come home from the battlefield the U.S. government has a responsibility to take care of them properly.

Unfortunately, the truth is that many facilities for veterans are absolute hellholes.  The following is from a recent article in the Washington Post….

Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan’s room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses.

This is the world of Building 18, not the kind of place where Duncan expected to recover when he was evacuated to Walter Reed Army Medical Center from Iraq last February with a broken neck and a shredded left ear, nearly dead from blood loss.

How in the world can we do this to our vets?

Today, it takes military vets an average of seven months to get an appointment at a VA facility.

They are not getting the care that they need, and it would be a tremendous understatement to say that the condition of many VA facilities is absolutely horrendous.

A while back, ABC News did an in-depth investigation of conditions at VA facilities across the United States.  What ABC News found was absolutely shocking.  The following are just a few of the things that they discovered during the course of their investigation…..

*Bathrooms filthy with what appeared to be human excrement

*Dirty linens from some patients mixed in with clean supplies

*Examining tables that had dried blood and medications still on them

*Equipment used to sterilize surgical instruments that had broken down

*Some patients were forced to beg for food and water

*Veterans that were neglected so badly that they developed horrific bedsores and dangerous infections

This is the kind of thing you would expect in a third world country, not the United States of America.

Funerals And “End Of Life Counseling”

The federal government does not seem to have much respect for veterans at the end of their lives either.

You would think that vets should be able to have the funeral services of their own choosing, but in some areas of the country the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs has been caught banning the words “God” and “Jesus” during funeral services for veterans.

Perhaps instead of spending their time poking their noses into funeral services they should spend their time processing some of those backlogged claims for veteran benefits.

And the “end of life counseling” that many veterans are receiving is extremely disrespectful as well.  The following is from an article in the Wall Street Journal that described the kind of “end of life counseling” that the federal government provides veterans….

“Your Life, Your Choices” presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political “push poll.” For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be “not worth living.”

The circumstances listed include ones common among the elderly and disabled: living in a nursing home, being in a wheelchair and not being able to “shake the blues.” There is a section which provocatively asks, “Have you ever heard anyone say, ‘If I’m a vegetable, pull the plug’?” There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as “I can no longer contribute to my family’s well being,” “I am a severe financial burden on my family” and that the vet’s situation “causes severe emotional burden for my family.”

When the government can steer vulnerable individuals to conclude for themselves that life is not worth living, who needs a death panel?

The Obama Administration Has Labeled Military Veterans As “Potential Terrorists”

On top of everything else, the Department of Homeland Security has labeled military veterans as potential terrorists.

The following is a quote from a DHS report entitled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment“….

The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.

Sadly, this kind of philosophy is not just reflected in policy papers.  Now we are actually starting to see military veterans rounded up and shipped off to mental institutions for “evaluation” if they express views that the government does not like.

For example, you have probably already heard about the Brandon Raub case by now.  Brandon Raub is a 26-year-old military veteran who was forcibly detained by the local police, the FBI and the Secret Service on August 16th.  He was shipped off to a psychiatric facility because of song lyrics and political views that he had posted on his Facebook page.

Thankfully, the Rutherford Institute agreed to defend him and he was released a few days ago.

But if he had not had a really good lawyer he could have been rotting in a mental institution for years.

Unfortunately this does not appear to be an isolated incident.

Just check out the following example from a recent article by Paul Joseph Watson….

Radio host Steve Quayle was sent news of an Army combat veteran and Purple Heart recipient in west central Ohio who was the victim of a police raid on the evening of August 22nd during which Miami County Ohio Sheriff’s deputies executed a search warrant to seize the man’s firearms for the “safety of the defendant and the general public,” according to the warrant.

The veteran, who is currently unnamed, had his guns taken because he was adjudged to be mentally incompetent, despite the fact that his previous VA psychiatric evaluations were all clear, he is not on medication, and he had no criminal record. The man appears to be a respected member of the community – he works for a Christian company and his father is a police officer and a pastor.

Once a military vet is determined to be “mentally ill”, he or she can be rounded up by the authorities at any time.

And tons of vets are being labeled as mentally ill these days.  In fact, one study discovered that approximately one-third of all military veterans returning from Afghanistan and Iraq were officially determined to be mentally ill.

It is very dangerous to be a military veteran these days.

So why should anyone volunteer to be in the military at this point?

It has become abundantly clear that the federal government is not on the side of veterans.

The federal government wants lots of warm bodies to throw into battle, but when those bodies get broken the government is not there to pick up the pieces.

How we treat our veterans is a national disgrace.

Wake up America.

  • BeenThere

    The problem is in the US today everone is disposable. With such high unemployment, the military has little problem recruiting even on such poor pay and conditions. Probably, to the poor, these conditions look better than being unemployed. A classic case of the poor are “cannon fodder”.

  • Georgiaboy61

    Re: “Why Does The U.S. Government Treat Military Veterans Like Human Garbage?” Kudos to you, Michael, for writing about our disgraceful treatment of the armed forces and veterans. Lured into the military by the promise of generous social welfare and educational benefits and a pension after 20 years in uniform, many of our soldiers find themselves thrust into action again and again until they are “used up” and finally discarded – if they are lucky-enough to still be alive and in one piece. The truth is that America’s political class regards the types of people who become soldiers as “expendable assets,” aka cannon fodder. Since our elites and political class no longer serve in the armed forces in meaningful numbers, they have no “skin in the game” and thus no personal stake in ending the wars of choice they start. It isn’t their children being killed or maimed for life, so why care? To add insult to injury, the American government is effectively broke, and likely will not be able to pay the benefits and pensions it has promised to so many who wear or have worn the uniform. If these benefits are paid, they will probably be in inflated dollars no more valuable than the paper they are printed on.

  • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

    Sickening at best. This is how we treat the heroes who fight for our freedoms? While congress once again raised it’s salary, a private in the army still earns roughly only $31k a year, while those in political office make millions. What has happened to the good ol’ US of A?

    Do these statistics include other branches, or are they just army alone? If they do not include the other branches, the numbers are even higher.

    Also Michael, the same administration refused to allow a Catholic Cardinal to go to the DNC and speak, but is having a 2 hour long islamic prayer service, with Siraj Wahhaj (who believes the Constitution should be thrown out for sharia “law” (in reality: anarchy and torment for those who think differently)


    • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

      When I said the same administration, it was a typo. I meant to say the party that more openly shows disdain for the military was hosting that “event”.

      • Gay Veteran

        BOTH parties show “disdain for the military” by sending them to wars of aggression like in Iraq

    • Michael

      Yes I saw that story about the Islamic prayer service. Very disturbing.


    • Gay Veteran

      Cardinal Dolan to deliver blessing at both Republican and Democratic conventions


      and why is the story about the Islamic prayer service “very disturbing”?

      • Malcolm Reynolds

        You are the laziest sack of vomit.

        In case you havent read the paper, we happen to be fighting Islamists and the the clowns giving the prayers happen to be among the ones agreeing with our enemies.


        “Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, a devout Muslim and the Founder and President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, wrote:

        The leaders of this event – Jibril Hough and Imam Siraj Wahhaj [are not] moderates. They are radicals. These individuals embrace Islamist supremacy and have demonstrated support for radical ideologies.”

        Yea, the DNC is trying to conver up what they’ve done. ‘Uh is wasn’t at our event.’. ‘Uhh Cardianl Dolan was the guy we invited’

        Go look at the link. Why do these Islamists have a poster indicating they are part of the DNC convention?

        • Gay Veteran

          oh, I forgot, they hate us for our freedoms

          guess we solved that problem

        • Gay Veteran

          “In case you havent read the paper, we happen to be fighting Islamists”

          oh, like the civilians we kill with our drone strikes? drone strikes at people at furnerals? drone strikes at rescuers coming to a previous drone strike location?

  • Don Wilson

    The problem goes back to the end of the draft, during Vietnam you did your 1 year in country and rotated back stateside. Since the end of the draft the all volunteer force has been screwed over and over. As a 20 year vet (1977-1997) I speak from experience. Plus we have a bunch of worthless carpetbaggers in both houses of Congress, and the last president worth a damn was JFK. Both Sr and Jr Bush were and still are worthless. The military are seen as disposable entities, Congress and the President don’t give a damn about the military. This problem will only get worse with the passage of time. I do not regret making the military a career I would do it again, I am sick and tired of seeing worthless politicos grandstanding and taking credit for something they didn’t do and have. No understanding of what the soldier, sailor, airman and marine must endure whether at home or deployed.

  • Dave Webb

    I am a US Air Force Veteran from the 1960s. Many of my friends died in Vietnam. Lert me give you a little history lesson as I see it.
    Let me tell you about the VA. First, George Bush decided we didn’t get health benefits if we made a good income. Being defined as lower middle class. His royal majesty gave us an executive order so it must be so. Never mind all the people that came back in body bags.
    Mr. Bush had a brush with the national guard and was AWOL for a while. Like two years I believe, not really sure about the time gone. That is generally not called AWOL. It is called desertion if your father isn’t Vice President of the country. This AWOL National Guardsman went on to become President of our Country. Of course if you are guilty of a felony, I don’t think you are really eligible to be President. That got lost somewhere along the road.
    My point is with people in charge with no respect for our soldiers, what do we expect? The problem is that a lot of people from the sixties never faced being drafted. Their fathers were rich. They sent them to colleges with deferments instead. Some sent them to Canada until the heat was off. They then were “pardoned” so they could come back. Others became lawyers. They then joined a rich man’s country club. It seems to be the way you get elected to Congress. If Congress has no respect for Veterans, how can we not see a corrupt VA system when these boys return from combat?
    Yes it is a disgrace. But put the blame where it belongs. The VA is administered by the Executive Branch of Government.It is an election year. Maybe, Mr. Obama can explain why the VA is in the shape it is in to all those boys in Uniform. Or maybe he can find a way so they cannot vote against him in a general election.

  • Dave Webb

    I guess they define terrorist as anyone that disagrees with how they run things.
    Personally, I go and vote! Now that is terrorism that I can relate to. It puts fear in the all the government representatives. Especially if I vote down all the taxes they have on the ballot. It is difficult to run a government with no funds. Now that is going to make them perspire.
    A lot of our soldiers come back with the mistaken view that violence solves anything. It is the way they are trained. They are also trained to follow orders from those in authority. This then makes them targets in civilian life.
    With military combat training, some of these people know how to shoot rifles pretty good. That makes the corrupt politicians very nervous and with good reason. I think they have a movie complex or something. Rambo must have made a deep impression on someone.Most people coming back from service just want to settle down, have a family, have a decent job, and maybe even get to the point where they can own a home they are proud of. They are workers by nature. They want to get a trade, a profession, or even a college education on the GI Bill. They really don’t want to bring a war back with them from some foreign land. They just want to be treated with honor for their service and treated right by people in civilian life.Well a lot of them are disappointed by how our own government “honors” them.

    • Randome-11

      “A lot of our soldiers come back with the mistaken view that violence solves anything. It is the way they are trained. They are also trained to follow orders from those in authority.”

      No, that is how the real view of the western governements and much of police forces, that is why they saw that Vet as a terrorist threat, they projected their own mentality on him + the absence of fear.
      They don´t see themselves as strong enough yet to apply that philosophy openly but they have high hopes of doing so now that drones are becoming available.

      “Most people coming back from service just want to settle down, have a family, have a decent job, and maybe even get to the point where they can own a home they are proud of. They are workers by nature. They want to get a trade, a profession, or even a college education on the GI Bill. They really don’t want to bring a war back with them from some foreign land. They just want to be treated with honor for their service and treated right by people in civilian life.Well a lot of them are disappointed by how our own government “honors” them.”

      Just like in French public schools, because of that atitude of them, they are seen as easy prey by the “governement”.

  • de Malfosse

    There are a few things you’ve written that are out-of-date or subjective.

    Re: “We pay those in the military like crap”. Do “we”? The tax-free monthly housing allowance ALONE in my area is $1400 – that exceeds the entire net monthly income of my full-time job.

    True story: Local contractor went to a local home owned by Mr. & Mrs. E5, US Army. Mrs. E5 lamented how hard it was to get by as the two of them brought home “only” $125,000 a year.

    When I joined the military in 1975 a BGen made $80,000 a year. Today it is possible for two E5s to exceed that by a full 50%.

    A co-worker has a nephew who re-enlisted for a bonus that exceeded our annual incomes many times over.

    My son the soldier made boo-coo more dollars than me with my skilled-labor “union” job.

    Re: mulitple tours. There is a solution: Get Out. Know why they stay? For the money you say is “crap”.

    Re: “We owe these men and women” not a damned thing. Make it personel – no one owes me anything for my “service”. I “served” & you paid me & that was that.

    I have little sympathy for people “serving” The State in exchange for an SUV or a house or a steady paycheck. The wars are immoral & by extension those willingly participants are involved in an immoral act.

    What can be said about anyone stupid enough to buy into the nonsense Uncle Sam spews a full decade after 9/11?

    Or those who join to kill people who wear funny hats because there is a paycheck?

    No, I don’t support the troops. “Troops” are assets of The State and as my Freedoms steadily disappear under The War on Terror it is time to question the whole purpose of the standing army because it sure as hell ain’t to secure my freedoms.

    • kinisinon

      As a veteran who served for nearly two decades, I say: SPOT ON.

      PLEASE, folks, enough of the “they fight for our freedoms” bullshit! None of us who have ever “served,” have ever “fought” for anyone’s “freedom,” no matter how often that trite bromide is repeated and no matter how much we try to convince ourselves of it. We have “served” nothing but the avarice of “our” vain, corrupt, rapacious, criminal ruling class, most of whom have always been and still are geriatric klepto-cowards who send generations of young men and women off to far-flung corners of the globe to do their dirty mercenary work for them. Even “The Great War,” as state-worshiping historians describe World War II, was anything but. That war was one that Amerika’s ruling elite deliberately provoked in order to line their own pockets and satisfy their own global power lust. Looking back on the entire history of warfare in the United States, there were two, and ONLY TWO times in which anyone fought in true defense of freedom: the Continental Army during the American Revolution and the Army of the Confederate States of America during the War to Prevent Southern Independence. Every other conflict in which the country has engaged has been about greed and profit for the reigning elite – nothing more!

      The only time that the men and women of the United States military will ever truly be “defending our freedoms” is the day they collectively stand up to the scum who are their bosses and say “NO MORE UNCONSTITUTIONAL WARS, NO MORE INVADING AND OCCUPYING FOREIGN COUNTRIES THAT HAVE DONE NOTHING TO THREATEN THE ACTUAL SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES, AND NO MORE USING THE MILITARY TO SPY ON, INTIMIDATE, OR OTHERWISE REPRESS OUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN AT HOME!”

      Short of this –in fact, short of a march on Washington and the mass arrest of the “domestic enemies” therein who have been trampling the Constitution that these men and women of the military swore an oath, above all other obligations, to uphold and defend — the U.S. military will remain nothing but a Praetorian Guard force for the reigning elite. The sooner everyone realizes this the better!

      In closing, let me be absolutely clear that I am NOT in any way condemning, censuring, or otherwise wishing any ill whatsoever upon any of the individual soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines, especially those who have paid the ultimate price. Most of these folks are, quite honestly, serving in these (deliberately) depressed economic times because of the pay and benefits the military offers. While, as de Malfosse writes above, these are far from “horrible,” there are few other career choices open to young people today due to the reigning elites deliberate destruction of the Amerikan private sector economy. These men and women, especially those who have been wounded or otherwise disabled in combat, absolutely deserve, and MUST DEMAND, the help and support they’ve earned and that they were promised.

      All of the above said, however, I do hope that the silver lining to this very dark and ugly cloud will be the FINAL realization among the majority of those who serve, and their families, that “service” in the United States Armed Forces has become anything but honorable, that the reigning elite they serve are the scum of the earth, that they’ve been very badly used, and that they leave the military in record numbers, and that they proactively encourage everyone they know or will ever meet to NEVER fall for the recruiters’ lies!

      To all who have served and have suffered for it, I say do not lose hope! More and more of us are awakening to the truth!

      • Zedge Hero

        Bravo and spot on good sir Kinision, I agree except for maybe the war of 1812 was for freedom too. And in essence the war for southern freedom was lost in the civil war. But otherwise some very credible points that made me go hmmmmmm.

      • VilePig

        Readers, listen up to “kinisinon.” As someone who [foolishly] spent nearly 30 years in the military, I can vouch for the fact that he speaks the truth.

        As armed agents of the very same government that gave you the PATRIOT Act, the NDAA, the surveillance state, the TSA, presidents who proclaim they can arrest, imprison, torture and murder anyone based entirely on their word (Bill of Rights, what’s that?), etc., there is no way we in uniform were “fighting for freedom” of anyone. Conquest and plunder was more like it.

        Keep in mind these quotes from James Madison:

        “In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence agst. foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.”

        “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.”

    • Mondobeyondo

      For the hazards involved in the job description of your average Army combat soldier, yes – the pay doesn’t compare to what you have to go through. Needless to say, you wouldn’t have to pay me one red cent to shoot at a Nazi storm trooper, I’d do it for free! But still – you’d like to be compensated when you get home… IF you get home alive.

      Would I join the military?

      That’s a complicated question. Being the son of an Air Force master sergeant, the obvious answer would be “yes”, but that’s not so obvious as you would think. I was in my senior year of high school when the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon was bombed in 1983.

      You don’t just rush into conflict. Sure, your emotions say so. “Go get ’em, boys! Let’s bomb them back to the Iron Age!” (Costs too much to bomb ’em back to the Stone Age.) But what does such action accomplish, aside from the obvious satisfaction of seeing the enemy splattered all over the countryside? Does it bring progress? Or peace? Resolution?

      My dad wanted me to join the R.O.T.C. (Army Reserve Officers Training Corps) after I graduated high school. I said no.

  • Randy

    Sorry I have little sympathy for those so misguided that they think participating in immoral and illegal wars is patriotic.

    Soldiers in our military take a oath the first sentence is a oath to protect the constitution the second sentence is to protect the government. We have a long term situation of our government ignoring the law and constitution, and literately suspending the constitution and bill of rights protection’s. Our military sworn to defend the constitution sits back and does nothing about this in direct violation of their oath’s.

    Maybe if these soldiers keep getting shafted out of their benefits it will wake them up to the fact our government cares just about has much for them has it does for the rest of the population it has labeled domestic terrorists and enemy combatants to be detained indefinitely.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      Sorry I have little sympathy for those so misguided that they think participating in immoral and illegal wars is patriotic.

      Good luck with that one. The military will and does prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law for missing movement, derelection of duty, failure to follow a lawful order, etc for what you dopes call illegal wars. The problem there sparky, is that the wars were duly voted for by both parties.

      • Gay Veteran

        “The problem there sparky, is that the wars were duly voted for by both parties.”

        AS IF that turns our war of aggression against Iraq into something that does not involve war crimes

        • Gay Veteran

          Malcolm: “The problem there sparky, is that the wars were duly voted for by both parties.”

          I see Malcolm proves my point for me! BOTH parties support empire abroad (and the national security/surveilance state at home)

          • Malcolm Reynolds

            I don thin that word means wha chu thin it means.

            em·pire   noun
            1. a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire.
            2. a government under an emperor or empress.
            3. ( often initial capital letter ) the historical period during which a nation is under such a government: a history of the second French empire.
            4. supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty: Austria’s failure of empire in central Europe.
            5. supreme control; absolute sway: passion’s empire over the mind.

            let us know which of these fits your pea brained notion.

  • Justin Bleater

    I remember hearing that over 40% of active duty personnel have never been to Iwreck or Shitghanistan, and also about one former N.G. officer who had resigned his comission eight years earlier and was “reactivated”. Obviously, you have worth only while you are part of the machine (but are still deserving of constant monitering), but once you break away (for whatever reason), you become a burden at best and an enemy at worst.

    In many ways, the American machine needs an overhaul, which can only be completed in dry dock.

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      “I remember hearing…and also about one former N.G. officer who had resigned his comission eight years earlier and was “reactivated”. ”

      You were duped. Every person is required to do 8 years.

      If you sign up for 4 years of active duty, then you serve another 4 as ‘inactive reserve’.

      If you sign up for 6 years of active duty, then you serve another 2 as ‘inactive reserve’.

      If this guy was an officer, then he obviously served some active duty time and could not have been called up 8+ years later.

    • Gay Veteran

      wow Malcolm, you truly are dense

      you don’t have to physically occupy a government to control it

      thus our support for dictators/kings/emirs around the world

  • Sierra Dave

    Maybe this is what the FEMA camps are for.

    What worries me is the traitorous LEO, many ex military. That are doing these secret round ups for a paycheck.

    I advise all patriots to know your local LEO and where they live.

  • K

    Michael, thank you for this article. But this is nothing new. When I was working, it was the Nam vets they treated this way. A lot of agencies have a quota of how many Vets they have to hire. What they do not tell you, is how many they fire within the first year. Many fired, only because they make the boss nervous. Not many combat Vets in management. There is a reason, many Federal agencies are unionized. They have always treated their own employees, like garbage. If you knew the kind of sick individuals, they usually put in charge. You would be amazed anything ever gets done. But now, a lot of you are getting a taste. They are starting to treat the citizens, the same way they have always treated the employees. Let me sum it up for you. The military is a volunteer force. In the Federal culture, only an utter fool, volunteers for anything. Respect, the Government never had any. Civilian, or Military, you were just a disposable asset.

  • William

    Taking the nation to war is a grave and terribly serious event. The Smirking Chimp and war criminal Bush took America into the war in Iraq, which was based on LIES. Could it be that returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan have come to realize that 4800 Americans, and countless hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, died for LIES? And, now, upon realizing the BIG LIES of the Smirking Chimp, veterans resent being duped by the evil that controls America??
    That is why they are being targeted and mistreated by the criminals who run America. Just look at what happened to Brandon Raub…………

    • Malcolm Reynolds

      “The Smirking Chimp and war criminal Bush took America into the war in Iraq,”

      OGL, another idiot with no Constitutional knowledge. *sigh* Congress voted for the Iraq and Afghan wars.

      Can you please explain how the mega stupid smirking chimp managed to dupe everyone here and abroad? I mean, he was just soooo stupid an all…

      How do you as a lefty reconcile what you assert of Bush with the actual illegal Bamster war in Libya that was neither voted on by Congress nor meets the requirement of the War Powers resultion of Congress that states,

      “the president can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of ‘a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.'”

      Is the Bamster a war criminal?

      • William

        It is YOU who is the fool. The US Congress did NOT vote a declaration of war, as required by the US Constitution. They voted to give the lying criminal Chimp the authority to start a war. That is NOT, FOOL, a declaration of war.

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          Article 1 Section 8 of the US Consitution says

          “The Congress shall have Power To … declare war.”

          You’re probably too stupid to breathe so let me grab the definition for you

          dec·la·ra·tion   noun
          1. the act of declaring; announcement: a declaration of a dividend.
          2. a positive, explicit, or formal statement; proclamation: a declaration of war.
          3. something that is announced, avowed, or proclaimed.
          4. a document embodying or displaying an announcement or proclamation

          So if it’s called the ‘Iraq War Resolution’ that authorizes the use of military force on Iraq, which part didnt tell YOU that we were going to make war on Iraq? Which part of that allowed the oh so stupid smirking chimp to put one over on you genius?

      • Gay Veteran

        “Can you please explain how the mega stupid smirking chimp managed to dupe everyone here and abroad?”

        with great help from the corporat media

        “Is the Bamster a war criminal?”

        yes he is, along with Bush and Cheney

        • Malcolm Reynolds

          I think perhaps you should just look inward.

          • Gay Veteran

            over 4000 American troops DIED in Iraq, I think YOU need to look inward

      • DB200

        “Can you please explain how the mega stupid smirking chimp managed to dupe everyone here and abroad?”

        Mr. George Bush let Mr. Colin Powell present to the UN pictures taken by the CIA with locations of WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction). And he succeeded in convincing a lot of people that there was the presence of WMD in Iraq, not in the least by the impression of integrity he left. This pretext of WMD (and Hussain’s mistake not to let UN inspectors do their work in Iraq and thus show the world that there were no WMD) was enough to be able to start the Iraq war. The atmosphere was very pro-war after 9/11. Anybody who did dare to ask critical questions was unpatriotic. So a Senate member who would vote against the war, took the risk to be vilified as unpatriotic. And nobody wants to be unpatriotic, does he?

        The French were against the Iraq war, and I am still surprised how the US treated a befriended nation at that time. There were calls for boycotting French products and a Senate member called to stop serving French fries in governmental organizations, if I remember well. It was 100% negative what was aired in the press about France and the French.

        Anyway, 9 years later, it looks very clear but at the time it wasn’t. I knew that it was not good to start the Iraq war but could not provide any arguments against the “evidence” that was presented by Mr. Powell. And I guess I was not alone.

        The only real argument I had was that a war would lead to inflation and high interest rates just like the 70s and that such a situation would ruin the economy. That was a wrong argument as I wasn’t aware about the concept of gold standard, market manipulation, FED, fiat-money and the like. We still have moderate inflation if you believe the stats and very low interest rates. I would have expected that the interest rates now would be around 7-9% but it isn’t.

  • Lowest on the Totem Pole IRS Employee

    Wow, I can’t believe the story about the guy with half a brain and no arm. I know for a fact you can get SSI for ADHD because my boyfriend was getting it before I met him. He’s been getting it since he was a child which includes free money, dental, and health care. I won’t lie he does have the attention span of an ant and it is HARD sometimes, but he is very capable of learning new things (if he wants) and working. This world is all messed up.

    • Lowest on the Totem Pole IRS Employee

      Oh yea and I can testify to waiting more than seven months for an eye appointment at a VA hospital because I used to work in one. We could only book six months out and veterans were raising hell because we were totally booked. We were sometimes double booking appointments on the optometrists and ophthalmologists. I felt real sorry for all parties involved including myself because I would get death threats almost on a daily basis.

  • lee

    yes, its disgusting IMO.

    i’m a vet of service 20 years ago and with how active service members are not protected by their own government w/ equipment and in law and not allowed to use the force neccessary to defeat the enemy, i would tell a young person thinking of signing up today, to not do it.

    the pay, care and benefits were always pathetic; but a person used to know the US is worth fighting for; not so sure it is anymore; it seems no different than most of europe these days.

    dont mean to be asking for handouts but homes for our troops or disabled vets of america sure is going to need all the help it can get as we hit this financial tidal wave; if you’re so inclined.

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    My Dad and I both served in the first Gulf War. After the war, my Dad ended his 23 years of service with a bronze star and a renege on the promises of health care for life. Of course, my home will be open him and my mother when his retirement starts getting reneged on.

    I was quickly disillusioned with the way I saw vets being treated – up to and including my family being forced into the milt health care system (tricare) while I was active duty. After my first 6 yr enlistment, I lat moved (changed my specialty) from artillery and used the milt to train me in what I do now. I completed 10 years and said See ya!

    I think the idiots in Congress as well as the President should be paid the median military wage, and any health benefits should be administed under the VA system. They dont ever deserve a damned dime more.

  • i’vegivenup

    The Viet Nam War marked the beginning of the mistreatment of our troops and has gotten worse over the preceeding decades. The decay of America continues unabated…

    • kinisinon

      Actually, the neglect and mistreatment of veterans goes all the way back to the nation’s founding. The recurring theme for 236 years has been, as the late, great David Hackworth put it: “Use’em, abuse’em, throw’em away, and forget about’em.”

  • Malcolm Reynolds

    I dont know if you all see the same ad under the story as I do. I see the US Army commemorative coin produced by the US Mint. I gave my Dad one of those proofs as a gift and he totally loved it.

    I got the Marine Corps one a few years ago. Mine was already graded and encapsulated as PR70, which is a perfecet coin.

    …was just a little token of my appreciation to my Dad.

  • It is a shame that these veterans are treated that way.Unfortunatly the vast majority of the American Sheeple,don’t have any idea what is happening and are in their own little worlds watching American Idol and other reality shows and other distractions and they can care less.If there was a MANDATIORY MILITARY DRAFT,the American sheeple might have to wake up,because everyone would be affected one way or another.
    This comes to show that this FASCIST GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BY THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX and other WAR PROFITING CORPORATIONS are using our Military People like pawns in a game of chess.These WAR CRIMINALS can care LESS if everyone returns broken dies.It would be less problems for them, if these injured brave Veterans would die and dissapear. Then these War Criminals would have more of our money for themselves.
    These Veterans should be treated as HEROES and RESPECT.
    These endless wars HAVE got to come to an end.We as a country cannot go on much longer.These wars are destroying our country and the DEBT is sending our country to a THIRD WORLD STATUS.
    We are now viewed by the rest of the world as a MURDEROUS COUNTRY. the EVIL EMPIRE.Our country is looking like the BRUTAL DICTATORS like Hitler, Stallin etc. We have no more justice nor moral here in this country.
    Everyone needs to say a prayer for these Veterans and lend them a helping hand and as a society,give them the moral support they need, to help them,to re-adjust to the community.Some people can judge them, but most of us have been through what they have went through.If this society becomes war-torn, all of us will be changed and different forever.

    • Gay Veteran

      I totally agree with most of what you wrote!

      you can’t have an empire without cannon fodder

  • Anna44

    26 years of service my husband gave in the Air Force. He spent the last 4 years of it away from us on assignments & deployments. It wrecked our financial buffer & emotionally marked our boys who were in 4th & 7th grade when he left. He was forced out do to budget cuts (ya know AirForceONE comes out of the USAF budget)in Jan. 2011. He has still NOT received his VA disability funds. We could really use the money as the only job he could get recently was one in retail just above minimum wage and on his feet 8 hours which is painful since his left foot & leg were injured. (NOT combat related) But hey- any job is better than NO job. In this economy- you can’t be picky. You work the Holidays, weekends, and evening shifts because that’s what offered. My husband is back under our roof, but he’s not really here. His mind is on bills, pain, and deep regrets from lost time with his family.

    • Mondobeyondo

      Thanks to your husband for his service to this country. And thank you and your family, for making the sacrifices every military family makes.

      • Mondobeyondo

        That goes out to not just Anna44, but for everyone who has served/is serving in the military.

        Thank you.

  • Chris

    Maybe part of it is that the elites who sent these people to war based on lies feel that the troops who were prepared to fight knowing that the wars weren’t legitimate don’t deserve much respect.

    • ws

      Chris, that is true, but it is also true that by denigrated the veterans and building public resentment towards them the elite can “protect” themselves both mentally and physically from the numerous crimes they have committed in order to enrich themselves.

      Gun laws and the police state are better examples. The MAIN reason why elitists want major gun control and a nanny police state is they feel they need the protection from the people they screw over on a daily basis. While most people watch American Idol and stand in unemployment lines none the wiser, the elite outsource jobs, take us to war, and loot our savings. They need the police state to protect them “in case” the worst case scenario happened and people wake up from their slumber and decide they are tired of being screwed. NEWSFLASH TO THE ELITES—-YOU DON’T NEED TO HAVE A POLICE STATE. The American sheeple are dumb, apathetic, and lazy. As long as you send them a gubmint check by debasing the currency that you front run for your own gains, the sheeple will not do anything. The sheeple only want their guns to hunt, and they only want their freedom of movement to shop—-you have nothing the fear as the population at large is not smart enough to understand how badly you screw them on a minute by minute basis.

    • ws

      Chris, I forgot to add that the elites do not treat ALL veterans as trash. Officers of the military are treated as royalty and VERY GENEROUSLY rewarded for their loyalty to the crime syndicate. In addition to unbelievably generous pensions after only 20 years of service (officers only, enlisted get poverty retirements), officers who want to join the criminal military industrial complex as contracters to engage in insider trading and other criminal, corrupt activiteis are given the opportunity.

      So the bottom line is becoming a military officer is an extremely lucrative and profitable endeaver if you enjoy debt and death and want to join the elites crime sydicate. Of course 95% of military are enlisted, and the benefits afforded officers are not afforded to enlisted—–in other words, we have a “caste” system.

      In summary, enlisted veterans are treated like trash by the elites, but officers are not because it is the officers who lead the enlisted and the elites fully understand that in order to control their “debt and death” paradigm they have to have “insiders” in the military.

      The bottom line is a military officer is no different than any other criminal elite and enlisted military would be wise to recognize that. A military officer will sell out his troops, get them killed, whatever to protect his own position in the criminal cabal. That is why I always have had a disdain for the blind loyalty that so many enlisted people show criminal, corrupt officers who pretend to care but the reality is they are just securing their future position in the criminal elites debt and death machine.


      • ws

        On clarification because I don’t want any senior enlisted to catch this—-when I said “officers lead” I meant from the rear—–they don’t actually take the bullets—that leadership is for senior enlisted who show loyalty (stupidity) towards the criminal officers. The criminal officers send the senior enlisted actually into the field to die for their country—OFFICERS NEVER WILLINGLY DIE FOR THEIR COUNTRY—-sure, they may get a paper cut or be in the wrong place at the wrong time, but the whole “caste” system is setup such that officers send others off to die for them—their role is to “graduate” from uniform into the military industrial complex or public sector after “retirment” so that they can start working on their millions by perpetuating the crime syndicate as a civilian—the officer training is just necessary prep work.


        • kinisinon


          That’s definitely true of today’s officer corps. It’s also increasingly true of today’s senior enlisted personnel, a growing number of whom consider themselves to be the most junior members of the officers mess. Another one of the late, great David Hackworth’s favorite epithets was “perfumed prince,” a title once reserved only for generals/admirals and senior officers, but which is now becoming increasingly prevalent in the junior officer and senior enlisted ranks.

  • Tim

    My father was exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam. Later in life he developed diabetes and then leukemia as a result of his exposure. Thankfully, he got the medical care he needed and deserved from the VA. He suffered for many years before dying last year at the age of 67.

    • Uncle Sam

      and his death should be service connected, at which point, the widow is entitled to DIC payments for the rest of her life.

  • Mondobeyondo

    Disgusting and disturbing.
    These sons and daughters, husbands and wives of ours who leave to fight on distant lands, deserve far better.

    Regardless of your political affiliation towards these wars, they deserve better.

  • Julie

    As a 20 year veteran of the Navy 1976-1996, I can say that I share the sadness of the way our veterans are treated. Early on I was proud to serve my country. After retirement, then waking up to the truth movement I have become so angered with all of it. I understand now why I saw Vietnam Vets protesting the war! I would not trade my service, as despite what some in this forum say, I served my country for what at the time I believed to be the right thing to do. It wasn’t for the awful pay, it wasn’t for the medical that was marginal even while on active duty! It was just a belief in the country our founding fathers gave us. Some of us really did just have pride in our country and believed we were sacrificing for a just a noble cause.
    Today though this never ending war is an abomination of Biblical proportions! It saddens me as I am sure there are young men and women that like me still have that sense of pride and tradition and have not woke up to reality yet. They are being abused. As the song says “why is it when the rich wage war it’s the poor that die?” If only we could wake the rest of this country up and end the abuse not just of our military members, but the population of our country as a whole.

  • LOL

    Serves you right!

    There is no end of fools who will sign up. I understand that they are brainwashed or desperate, or both.

    It’s hard to feel too much sympathy for the fools and the opportunists among us. So, the leaders throw around a bunch of meaningless rhetoric on how they are protecting our “freedoms” and are “heroes”. Both words are now completely distorted, and these soldiers are doing neither except the exact opposite.

    All those fancy medals and ribbons the masters hand out to their cannon fodder servants aren’t worth crap at a surplus store.

    Consider this a good lesson as to what happens when you sign up to serve the enemy. Obozo is your commander and chief, let that sink in for a while.

    Consider this a form of the Darwin Award. This is an award that you have truly earned and fully deserve.

    Not so much playing army man now, is it?

    • Mondobeyondo

      Treading a fine line between being “foolish” and being “patriotic”.

      Those young men who signed up for military service on December 8, 1941 – or September 12, 2001 – sure were foolish, weren’t they?

      They should have just stayed home and listened to the radio, or played with their Nintendos. The world would have been a far better place.

  • Uncle Sam

    Again with this…

    Like the F rating for California…Michael, you must do you research, and I don’t mean reading…you need to go there.

    As for the veterans, they are treated BETTER than any in history. Every benefit is there waiting for them…financial, medical, psychological….for them and the families. “For those who shall have born the battle, his widow and his orphan…”

    You don’t PAY to get your medals…hell, a WWII vet can get his medals-every one that was EVER awarded re-issued free of charge from NPRC (National Personnel Records Center) with a simple request, even from the next of kin. FREE.

    I am not talking any *******. If you really want to know, I am a Commissioner of Veteran Affairs for the County of El Dorado in California, District II. Also, I am the Vet Services Rep for the County. Email me.

    I will let you and every other man and woman who has ever taken the sacred charge: to offer a blank check to Uncle Sam (not me) payable upon demand for any amount; up to and including your life; let them know what is really out there for them.

    May Your Dow Never Jones.

    • kinisinon

      I am not talking any *******. If you really want to know, I am a Commissioner of Veteran Affairs for the County of El Dorado in California, District II. Also, I am the Vet Services Rep for the County.

      I figured you were a paid flack for the system. Too many of us here know the system from the inside, so go bark your BS up some other tree. It ain’t flying here, pal.

      • Uncle Sam

        I am COUNTY dipshit…not FEDERAL. We are here to get federal dollars to the veterans and have no fiduciary interest in their budgets. Do some homework, dude.

  • Uncle Sam

    We are here to indenture, forever, the US government to the pawns they have used in their game of chess.

  • Karen

    Well I sure can let you know I just retired with 33 years of service active duty and the reserves Air force and as I have been doing on shtfplan.com and the economic collapse and other web sites is to let you know of the dangers to come from earthquakes the east coast and gulf of Mexico and the new Madrid fault line people should know that all coast lines are fault lines you should never live near the coast nor the new madriad line there has been enormous activity along these areas but back to the military as Henry Kissinger the evil man he is said military men you can add women now has said you are nothing but stupid animals on are chess board for are political agenda you are nothing but there experimental animal I know it took me years to finally figure it out anthrax vaccines for one made many people very sick and I remember the huge bump on my arm felt like someone hit you with ther fist you are used and brainwashed and when your limbs are blown off from a battle that they caused you are own your own there is some much red tape which they the government has implement that taking care of your phealth is very very complicated they are done with you and have no need for your services anymore and you are basically on your own unless you have family to help you or your so mentally Ill from massive rotations to war zones you have mental problems many of the homeless you find are ex war veterans and if you don’t believe I am military I can prove this the web master has my e mail just email me and I can prove my years in the military .

  • GA

    And yet those on the government dole get treated better for not working at all. I’m a vet and disgusted. People who have never had a job, let alone serve in the military, eat better than workers, and vets. This country is bankrupt, not just economically, but socially, ethically, and morally. Please, would somebody push the reset button?

    • Mondobeyondo

      And why is that??

      People who have often never fired a gun in their lives, in defense of their country, or themselves for that matter – are living better than veterans, who have risked and often given flesh and blood in defense of this nation? Why is this happening?? Is this country really that corrupt?

      (it’s a rhetorical question, you don’t have to answer that.)

      Not trying to be critical or anything, we are all Americans (okay, some of you on this blog are not Americans) …but… sheesh. A house divided can’t stand. So let’s stop the “War of the Roses” right now!

  • El Pollo de Oro

    As much of an isolationist, Ron Paul-supporting, Justin Raimondo-quoting, Gerald Celente-quoting isolationalist as I am, I honor our vets such as the late Irv Homer (a WWII fighter pilot and libertarian talk show host here in Philly who passed away a few years ago). Irv, a true patriot and a great American, had seen the horrors of war first-hand. So he had no use for neocon armchair patriots. And he realized that neocons are elitism scum who view vets as mere cannon fodder. Neocons love imperialist empire-building, but they consider vets to be part of an inferior subordinate class—so they have no problem with vets starving and dieing in the streets after they have outlived their usefulness.

    “In Bizarro Republican Land, cuts are too costly—the way to save money is by spending more. Oddly, they don’t apply this principle to domestic programs, such as Medicare and Social Security: they’re only opposed to ‘nation-building’ at home. So while 17-year-old Johnny may be reading at a third grade level, our effort to improve the literacy of Afghan women is what’s really important to the GOP.”—Justin Raimondo

    “Whereas the conservative middle class once cheered the circumscribing of the federal government, it now celebrates power and adores the central state, particularly its military wing.”—Lew Rockwell

    “Unfortunately, the conservative public is all too often taken in by mere rhetoric and fails to weigh the actual deeds of their political icons.”—Murray Rothbard

    “I don’t think people realize just how evil and what an abomination our country has become.”—Alex Jones

    “When all else fails, they take you to war.”—Gerald Celente

    And make no mistake: after the corporatist neocon fascists launch an imperialist war in Iran, the men and women who do the fighting will be disposable when they return to the BRA.

    • kinisinon

      It’s obvious that nothing has changed and probably never will: the majority consists of –and always has and always will consist of– shallow, stupid, lazy, gullible sheeple who will gladly be led straight to the slaughterhouse by any wolf carrying a crooked cane who is half-dressed to look like a shepherd.

  • Tatiana Covington

    I recall another case of this where numerous wounded veterans were left hopeless on the streets because of bad leadership, among other things.

    Then, well let’s just say, one of those veterans decided that he would act upon the unpleasant situation.

    I can personally say, that I owe my very existence to his actions.

    Let’s leave it at that.

    • MB92083

      I haven’t the faintest idea of what you are talking about.

  • GivingYouTruth

    The murdering soldiers don’t deserve to get “paid” for their acts of genocide and slaughter of innocent’s. The mainstream media calls them “hero’s” and the ignorant masses do the same. They carry out every war and act of genocide because they are “just following orders”. Those so called “hero” soldiers can carry out every act and form of atrocity, murder, and ungodliness and still think that they are just in their actions. Same type of thinking that the genocidal Nazi soldiers had, until they were hung by the neck. “But, but, but we were just following orders!!” This is the same type of thinking that most of the ignorant masses in the U.S. have. It’s ok if its not YOUR wife getting her limbs blown off or kids getting murdered by predator drones. Yet the masses of fat, lazy, TV watching American’s cheer, “Yes!! More War!!” Only to a morally bankrupt generation are these unconstitutional wars a good thing. Wake up you Fat slob Americans.

  • Guys, do you want to know why the administration and BOTH parties treat veterans like scum and terrorists? Because BOTH parties are sold out to enemies of American freedom and sovereignty – the Democrats to radical Communism, and the Republican Party leadership to the New World Order and globalism – America be damned! I know what I am talking about – I was a Bircher in the 60’s, and I have studied and fought against these Communist and globalist bastards for 50 years.America is being destroyed from within! And it’s been going on for decades. Now they are in power, and America is in serious trouble!

    Bluntly put: Barack Obama is a radical-Communist, enemy agent, usurper thug, as is his entire cabinet (regime). As Communists, they all HATE America, Capitalism, our freedoms, our Constitution, and of course – our VETERANS.. Ambassador Allen Keys warned everyone who would listen before enemy agent Obama (One Big Ass Mistake America) was “selected”, with the help of the sold-out globalist, complicite Republican Party. And they continue to protect and defend him – America be damned!

    Folks, we’ve been sold out, by both parties, as usual, and it’s been going on for a long, long time. Communist Barack Obama finds a perfect home in the now Communist Democratic Party, and Mitt Romney, like the Bush’s before him, is just another elitist, globalist, Bilderberger schill, SELECTED by the ruling, globalist elite “establishment” – to give the appearance of an opposition “conservative”. But actually, he is one of them, and regardless of who “wins” the 2012 election, NOTHING will change! As John McManus explained in the last email I sent, these glabalist, elitist banksters have been manipulating and controlling BOTH parties, and playing us all like fools, to give the appearance of a so-called “two-party system”, so that whoever “wins: the election, they NEVER lose!

    The John Birch Society as always, DOES understand, and Art Thompson, CEO of the JBS, explains it all.
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  • DL.

    Knowing quite a few vets (many of them abused by the system itself), I agree with this article says, but, on the other hand, that is what happens when you put Empire before God (as so many on here, who may or may not be neo-con warlovers, especially against any and all Muslims, right?), then expect these vets to be treated like crap. Like I say a lot you get the govt. and society you deserve. If Americans would stop hating for once maybe this could change. For it is hate (or Muslims or orhers) that drive our young people into the military…don’t just say it’s “benefits”…you know better than that, Micheal.

  • MB92083

    I have to disagree with a lot of this article Michael. I speak from experience, I am a 100% disabled 1st Gulf war veteran who lives in the San Diego area. Yes, I had a long wait to get my benefits, but I realized that the large number of Iraq/Afgan vets were in the system and they deserved to be taken care of first. The VA is far from perfect, but they are not anti-veteran as many label them. The VA healthcare system is full of caring, professional doctors and other caregivers. The VA benefits side, as already noted, is slow, but they have treated me fairly. The VA is much improved over the last 30 or so years, but they are overwhelmed by the numbers of veteran’s from a decade of being at war. In closing, there are problems at the VA as with any government agency, but you have way overblown it with claims that the VA treats veterans like dirt. Not true.

  • Col. Wilson

    While veterans do get the short end of the stick and it breaks my heart, there is one thing that a lot bring upon themselves.

    How many soldiers have I seen who live beyond their means? Tons. The main reason for vet foreclosures stems from service members who cannot & will not be fiscally responsible with their finances. If you spend more than you make you will go bankrupt (just look at our govt). Buying the new cars & trucks, buying a new home they cannot afford, etc is what a lot of vets do. A lot have no budget, no savings, no emergency funds, no investments, etc. This all leads to bad news. Now the military when I was in offered financial budgeting classes but the majority of members would not take it unless it was mandated & in conjunction with some disciplinary action. Oh well you can lead a house to water but you can’t make them drink.

    Aside from that what I see coming down the pipe that will effect a lot of vets is ptsd. I see ptsd will be used to disarm our vets & other citizens when they try to purchase firearms. I also see that if a vet has any mental defect as depression, ptsd, etc that will be a red flag and it will give the govt a reason to refuse the sale of firearms to vets.

    Oh what an interesting time in which we live.

  • JAR

    they should be treated as the average american. my tax dollars paid for a lot of their training, salaries, etc. we idolize them as “heroes”, big whoop. they chose to go to the military, it is or was their JOB. we need to get over ourselves. our country is narcissitic.

  • Belden Erhart

    …because the cretins sending teenage kids off to war DON’T SEND THEIR OWN.

    Look at the history of who fights the wars.

    You don’t see JROTC in affluent high schools.

    Patriotism is a drug only fed to poor kids.

    Look at where many of the ‘chickenhawk politicos hid.

    Now they want to sacrifice more young poor kids on the altar of another ME war so those lining their pockets can keep doing so…

  • joe blow


  • GenEarly

    See how Gen MacArthur handled the “Bonus Army” of WWI Vets. Some things never change.

  • Chris

    I knew someone who served in Vietnam. After he came back, and to this very day, people around him are instructed to never touch his feet while he
    is sleeping because he’ll wake up in kill mode.



  • JimA

    Kinisinon has hit the nail on the head. I am a Vietnam Air Force Veteran, Seved in SEA during Rolling Thunder. I thought that if any war would bring an end to war, it would be that one, because it was a complete waste. Of course back then I was too naive, and too nationalistic to see the truth, just as the young men who went off to “The Great War” in 1914 were. War is about rich people keeping poor people poor, and making rich people richer, Period. The unfortunate fact is that our government uses our inane sense of fair play to get us poor citizens involved in foreign conflicts. Look at the war in Iraq. Saddam Hussein killed the Kurds with nerve gas, and our government showed us pictures of dead women and children to get us involved over there. They didn’t advertise the fact that the nerve gas came from the US. Now we have veterans rotting in deplorable conditions in VA hospitals, but we are spending money on an F-35 fighter that we do not need. We need a revolution like the French had. Roll out the guillotine.

  • Robert Melco

    We now live in a nation where doctors
    destroy health,

    lawyers destroy justice,

    universities destroy knowledge,

    governments destroy freedom,

    the press destroys information,

    religion destroys morals,

    our banks destroy our economy,

    our citizens live in willful ignorance and
    reek of cowardice.

    • Are you a mind reader? Took the words right out of my mind!!

    • Karen R Scott

      The people that allow & carry gross harms that are violating our rights grossly have not ever been held accountable. Our laws are geared only to help if there is a lot of money, connected to organized crime or government that abuses their authority. Forget making real corrections that elevates corruption & retaliation. As of yet those that have tried harm to violently have not been brought to justice, real correction are not being made and retaliation is allowed to continue!!! Our laws don’t protect the public it only protects those that are in their gang, affiliations or friends with!!! Business deal stuff like that!!! Legal help to protect my rights not just & only the thugs!!!

  • acn

    It is difficult to accept 90% of what is in this article. If somebody is living on the streets in the US, it is purely on ones own choice. Michelle Obama & Jill Biden have been doing great things for Veterans.

    • Michelle & Jill do emotional support & care for the families of the troups. The lack of care for our servicemen didn’t start under this war. You have seen the Vietnam Vets on the streets from 40 yrs ago, right?

    • Have you talked to any Vet? The rating of approval from the military and there familys is at a all time low. Guess Michelle and jill are not doing such a great job. It was a very ignorant statement that homeless vets choice to live on the streets.

  • I’ve been telling any human ear that I want someone to care about the suicides of our military troups. No one acknowledges they care in my ear view yet. I want the media at the frontlines to see what’s up with the suicides!! That’s how we found out what was going on in Vietnam. How sickening it is to say that we know more about the Vietnam war then this one.

  • Shocking conditions of VA Hospitals? Where have you been? I was talking about the conditions of the VA Hospital in 1984. they said they have improved since then.

  • Once being a nurse in a VA hospital, I have a question? Has anybody outside the VA ever investagated the deaths that happen in the hospitals? It should be done. I asked to many questions and rocked to many boats, so now I no longer work for them.

    • kiljoy616

      Even in the military you don’t ask to many questions or your shipped out when it comes to the healthcare of even those still serving. This was a fact back in the 80’s so imagine how much worse that has gotten.

  • The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is the main reason that the VA is so dysfunctional.
    The VA has shifted from providing medical care and compensation to our nation’s veterans to being a type of welfare for the callous, lazy, and incompetent.

    It must be stated that there are some caring and competent employees unfortunately, they are the exception.

    There are four nails in the coffin of the VA.

    1) Affirmative Action
    2) Welfare back to work
    3) The VA shields its doctors from medical malpractice cases
    4) The AFGE places the well-being of the employees above the health and safety of the Veterans

    Frank Vera

    Google: U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Friend or Foe?

  • P M Ravindran

    As an Indian army veteran I would like to call it the Man Mohan Singh Syndrome!

    • Bob

      which is, I’m sorry, but I’d like to know what that means

  • kiljoy616

    Because they are.

    After you use a product and it gets broken don’t you tend to throw it away, its better to just get a new one, well people are about the same, its easier to get new young minds uncorrupted by reality than it is to deal with people have reached maturity and are not as easily manipulated.

  • Dave Hardin

    I cannot believe how this country treats it’s veterans. In my opinion a war veteran should not want for anything, should not be homeless, hungry, need to wait for medical attention. The Government sends Billions of dollars over seas to other countries that we owe nothing but they owe us a lot. As a nation we the people should be writing our government officials and demanding that this STOPS. It is our money and they are not taking care of us the people that make them the Government, I see ads on TV about sending money to other countries for hungry children, and people that need medical attention, etc. but what about the people in our country that have no homes, children that go to bed hungry and wake up hungry it’s a disgrace and the American public just lets it go on. We should be demanding that this country’s people be taken care of before anyone else. I recently wrote my congressman about this and the first letter he sent me back had nothing to do with anything I was asking him, fired off another letter and he sent me a letter just to appease me, said he would keep an eye on what they spent money on. Was a waste of time and paper, he’s a millionaire do you think he cares? That’s the kind of people we have put in government!

  • Bob

    wake up people, this can only lead to one thing… All veterans will be considered outlaws, even those who are too old or feeble to take up arms.

  • Freeballin’

    This is the exact reason I stopped supporting the military. Note that I’m talking about the institution itself, not the individuals within. During my Senior year of High School, 2012, I enlisted in the Marine Corps. Biggest mistake I’ve ever made. Eventually through months of constant BS and inept leadership, I distanced myself from my unit. Basically deserted. It was a rather rash, and not very well thought out solution, but over the years, I’ve come to the conclusion it was the lesser evil. I was eventually discharged from Quantico, VA about 8 months later.
    All in all, I believe that the military is ultimately only there to benefit the rich, and oppress the working class. But then again, that’s almost to be expected when we’re run by a Democratic system that caters to the highest bidder. It seems that every aspect of living a normal life for these brave veterans is stacked against them. Further exemplifying the unfortunate reality behind what our troops are really fighting for. Any organization that treats its own members so poorly, probably doesn’t know the first thing about doing good for the world. Welcome to America, Land of the Free.

  • Karen R Scott

    I do know for a fact rapist gets medals, are not held accountable that is allowed to carry out gross harms & get others to attack!!!