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Why Does Christian Persecution Get Worse In Every Country The U.S. “Liberates”?

White House MeetingWhen the U.S. military “liberates” a nation, shouldn’t it result in more liberty, freedom and peace for the people living there?  Instead, we find just the opposite.  In fact, in every single case since 9/11, when the U.S. military has “liberated” a nation it has resulted in the persecution of Christians in that country becoming much worse.  In areas where we spent hundreds of billions of dollars and where thousands of precious American lives were sacrificed, churches are regularly being bombed, Christians are being brutally beheaded, and laws have been passed to make it illegal for a Muslim to convert to Christianity.  If we were not even able to provide the most basic of liberties and freedoms to the people living in those nations, what in the world did we actually accomplish by “liberating” them?

Just look at what has happened in Afghanistan.  We have been at war in Afghanistan for more than a dozen years, and yet things are so bad for Christians in that country at this point that there is not a single church left

The supposedly “moderate” Karzai government installed by the U.S. upholds many of the draconian laws enforced by the Taliban—including the apostasy law, fiercely persecuting those who seek to convert to Christianity—and, in 2011, under U.S. auspices, it destroyed Afghanistan’s last Christian church.

We find a similar story in Iraq.  It is estimated that before the invasion, there were up to 2 million Christians living in Iraq.  Now that number is down to less than 450,000, and it is falling fast.

In fact, things are so dire for Iraq’s Christian community that some Iraqi Christian leaders are warning that Christians may soon become “extinct” in that nation…

As the mass exodus of Iraq’s Christians continues, so does the call for ending the plight of those who have remained. Like Iraq’s ancient Jewish community before them, one of the world’s oldest Christian communities may soon cease to exist.

The disappearance of Iraq’s religious minorities has been a troubling trend since the US-led invasion in 2003, and it has threatened to end the cultural diversity of Iraq. As the violence in the country spikes and religious intolerance grows, many Christians, Yazidis, Mandaeans and other minority community members are leaving the country.

Last week, the head of the Iraqi Catholic Church sent a chilling warning that Iraq’s 2,000-year-old Christian community is on the brink of extinction as new waves of Christians take the journey of exodus.

It is estimated that the Iraq war cost U.S. taxpayers more than 2 trillion dollars.

We spent more than a million dollars on one soccer field alone (which has now turned to dust).

In the end, what did we actually accomplish?

The Obama administration likes to brag about how it got rid of Qaddafi and “liberated” Libya, but now al-Qaeda is in control of much of the country and things are much worse for Christians than ever before

Ever since U.S.-backed, al-Qaeda-linked terrorists overthrew Qaddafi, Christians—including Americans—have indeed suffered extreme persecution. Churches have been bombed; Christians have been tortured and killed (including for refusing to convert); and nuns have been threatened.

In Syria, the Obama administration is shamelessly allying with radical al-Qaeda jihadists in a desperate attempt to overthrow the Assad regime.

As these jihadists torture, behead and even crucify Christian believers, the mainstream media in the United States is virtually silent about it.

Why is the media being so quiet?

Well, because exposing what is going on would make the Obama administration look bad.

Those carrying out this persecution of Christians in Syria are being directly funded and aided by the governments of the United States and Saudi Arabia.  For much more on what is going on in Syria, please see my previous article entitled “Why Is The Media Silent About The Crucifixion Of Christians By Radical Jihadists?

And of course it is not just in the Middle East where this kind of persecution of Christians is taking place.

While Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, the State Department refused to label Boko Haram as a terrorist organization.

But now the whole world is talking about Boko Haram.  This group has attacked more than 700 churches in Nigeria over the past seven years, and this has resulted in a massive exodus of Christians from northern Nigeria to southern Nigeria…

Christian groups estimate that up to a quarter of the 4,000 people killed by Boko Haram since 2009 have been Christians, and more than 700 churches have been attacked in the last seven years alone, according to the Nigerian Catholic Bishop’s Conference. Across the troubled north-east, many Christian neighbourhoods are now ghost towns as tens of thousands of residents flee south. It is one of the biggest Christian exoduses of the century, yet largely unremarked outside of Nigeria.

It is hard to put into words how brutal Boko Haram can be.  As a recent article in the Telegraph described, the persecution of Christians in northern Nigeria by Boko Haram  has been absolutely relentless…

Arriving at St Joseph’s church in the Nigerian town of Gashua, Father John Bakeni knew he was taking on a tough posting. A flyblows settlement near the northern border with Niger, his new parish was smack in the heart of Boko Haram territory, and in the previous three years, all but a fraction of its 3,000-strong Christian minority had fled.

Sent by his bishop to show that the diocese had not deserted the town, he spent much of the following year trying to reassure the 200 remaining parishioners. But nearly every time he ventured from his rectory, a reminder would await him of the difficulty of his mission.

“Several times a week I would find a dead animal had been thrown in the compound, usually a chicken, goat or sheep, but sometimes dead cats too,” said Fr Bakeni, 38. “Stones would get thrown at the church almost every day, and sometimes also people would bang the gates and shout: ‘Infidel, we are going to kill you.’

So why has the Obama administration been so hesitant to speak out against Boko Haram until now?

In fact, although most Americans do not realize this, the Obama administration has been quite supportive of Boko Haram in the past.  Obama even actually threatened the Nigerian government with economic sanctions in 2013 in an attempt to keep them from cracking down on Boko Haram.

What in the world was the Obama administration thinking?

Whose side are they on anyway?

If you love liberty and freedom, you should be deeply troubled by the spread of groups such as Boko Haram.

Just look at what is happening in another part of Africa where jihadists have gained control.  In Sudan, a pregnant woman was recently sentenced to death by hanging for marrying a Christian man…

A Sudanese woman doctor who married a Christian man and who was convicted earlier this week on charges of “apostasy” was sentenced to death on Thursday, judicial officials said.

According to the Sudanese officials, 26-year-old Meriam Ibrahim, whose father was Muslim, was convicted on Sunday and given four days to repent and escape death. She was sentenced after that grace period expired, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with regulations.

The BBC reported the woman’s death by hanging will not be carried out until two years after the birth of her child.

This kind of tyranny should not be tolerated in today’s world.

But instead, the U.S. government seems to be helping to spread it.

So exactly why is this happening?  Please feel free to share what you think by posting a comment below…

  • Barmandana At-Tikari

    Well Micheal, ‘what comes around goes around’ and you yourself must admit that you white “Christians” are recorded history’s greatest mass kilers/GENOCIDAL MURDERERS THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN right? Stalin and his denmonic twin Hitler with a combined total of nearly 100,000,000 people wiped out! 50,000,000 Western Indigenous people, 100,000,000 Africans, 10,000,000 Asians, 10,000,000 Latin Americans, 2,000,000 Iraqis, PLEASE DO AN ARTICAL ON WHITE CHRISTIAN GENOCIDE!!!!!

    • K

      Wow, who in the world told you Stalin was a Christian? While Hitler claimed it in the beginning, it was just for political gain. I can say I am an albatross, It does not make me one. Late breaking news, some people lie.

      • magormissabib

        right, like Obama claims to be christian. yikes.

      • Renaissance Girl

        LOL. Ahh, I needed to laugh. Thanks.

    • Patrick Williams

      Barmandana, Stalin and Hitler were not Christians. The USSR was an oppressive ATHEISTIC State and many, many Christians suffered under the 70 years of communist rule. Hitler was far, far from Christianity – it is reported that he was into the occult. Murder of Christians is wrong and cannot be justified by bringing up every brutal dictator that has ever lived. The facts are, Christians are being unfairly persecuted by the Muslim controlled groups and this needs to stop – it is immoral and wrong and God (Allah) will hold people accountable on the Day of Judgement for murder.

      • Renaissance Girl

        Well stated Patrick: however, if you are familiar with history and the lies of the elite, (warmongers like HItler) often lied and deceived the every day commoners with the illusion that he was a Christian. Sad, but true. However, it was a counterfeit Christianity, but most people are so lazy and are slow to search out the truth, like the Bereans of the Bible.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse
      • Nick

        He’s just showing his ignorance there with that comment. Christians were persecuted throughout the Soviet empire – especially in the territories occupied by the Soviets after the war. We all know this, and if he doesn’t, that’s his lookout.

        If anyone wants to check out the facts about this, they might want to start by researching the career of one Julia Brystiger, aka ‘Bloody Luna’.

        Oh yes, Christians had a swell time under the Soviets, eh?

        • Renaissance Girl

          Ignorance, yes, but I think a lot of people think that if someone says they’re a Christian (including Hitler and the other antichrists) then they must be taken at their word, but Jesus said otherwise. Now, for willfully ignorant people, like a certain person, I won’t mention who constantly ask the same question over and over again . . . well, I’ll just remain silent on that.

      • Gay Veteran

        how many were killed by Christians in Central and South America?

    • Nick

      If what goes around comes around Muslims are in for a right hard time in the very near future. According to your philosophy you will be beheaded and the mosque you attend burned to the ground, and it will all be just fine and dandy. Because what goes around comes around … what a strange outlook on the world you have, my boy.

      And please explain to me just what Muslim armies were doing (when they were soundly defeated) in places like Tours, Malta, Lepano & Vienna in the first place? They weren’t over in Malta in 1565 for a fortnight in the sun, that’s for sure. Islamic armies were fighting aggressive military campaigns on the European mainland in order to spread their foul religion by the sword – religion of peace my ar$e.

    • immxdmta4

      The top three murderous tyrants of the 20th century (Mao, Stalin,
      Hitler) murdered over 100 million people, conservative estimate. When
      the heck in history has ANY “christian” anything come anywhere close to
      this. And NONE of the above mentioned were involved in any “religious”
      wars nor were they Christians. As far as the crusades, those people were not Christians and they didn’t come close to the top top murderous tyrants (ALL atheists/communists). Do your homework and learn some history for heaven’s sake!!!!!

      • magormissabib

        I think a large part of the cursades was a response to islamist invasion. A large part of it was the Catholic Church operating from other motives – such as greed and lust for power. The Catholic church also persecuted Christians and put many to the death. What kind of sick freaks on this page making the comment that these horrors happening over there “serves them right”

        • jaxon64

          yes..very few people will do the research to discover that almost all of those who were killed during the “Inquisitions” for example–were christians who were murdered and tortured by catholics. The catholics were adamant about setting up their false doctrines and prohibiting the masses from having ready access to bibles.
          Those who questioned the heretical nature of catholic dogma were themselves labeled as heretics and tortured and killed…I won’t get into the dozens and dozens of anti-christian practices of catholicism..but just do a little google research and it is easy enough to find the truth of this pseudo-mary cult/papal infallibility/half pagan menagerie.

          • magormissabib

            even still its a drop of water in the ocean compared to the 270+ millions killed by muslims in the past 1400 years since mohammed.

          • magormissabib

            Did you read Foxes Book of Martyrs?

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Those who questioned the heretical nature of catholic dogma….”

            yes, because the only true “Christians” are “Christians” like you

    • krinks

      White Christians stopped the slave trade in the west except where Black and Arab Muslims continue to sell Black Christians as slaves to this very day.

      • Gay Veteran

        “White Christians stopped the slave trade in the west….”
        took their time, eh

        • magormissabib

          asked and answered above.

          • Gay Veteran

            again, took their time, eh. how many became filthy rich until it was stopped?

        • Renaissance Girl

          Now, I had to give you a like because that is most certainly true. Wow.

    • magormissabib

      For a large part the crusades were a response to the Muslim invasions. Muslims have killed more than 270 million people since mohammed. Christians – no where near that -even in self defense. When are people going to wake up . Islam is the problem. Mohammed was a murderer and a rapist. those who follow him do as he did./ Christ murdered NO one. He did not condone violence except in the case of self defense and not even that for the sake of his name. . Mohammed sought to spread his insane religion via the sword.

  • K

    Starting with Vietnam, all wars have been for economic advantage. Right now China is drilling for the oil in Vietnam, that we went there for. And it has been the same ever since. Nowadays when we leave a country such as Iraq, the person we leave in charge. Usually controls less than half the Country. That percentage gets much worse when we are gone. In short Libya, Iraq, and soon Afghanistan, are left to mob rule. All minority’s suffer under mob rule. Add to that that the leaders of this Country, are totally given over to the love of money. That which is the root of all evil.

  • DJohn1

    A lot of so called Christians are hypocrital.

    A lot of Catholics in history were mass murderers. They confessed their sins and supposedly went on to heaven.
    A lot of our troops have not faired much better in foreign lands.
    The first thing a person in our military in a foreign land should do is learn how to say please and thank you in that language. From there they should learn as much about the culture as possible. Instead a lot of Americans offend the people they are supposedly trying to help. Ignorance seems to be bliss!

    Anyone in a foreign land is at a disadvantage if they do not learn the basics of the language of the people that own the country. Not many do this.
    I remember this attitude very well many years ago at the British port going into London. The British official announced that all the foreigners line up on the left and all the British line up on the right. Most of the Americans lined up on the right. These people had to be redirected into the left line because they never considered themselves as foreigners. This is a mental thing. It is part of a culture that considers foreign people as inferior. So they never consider themselves foreigners no matter where they go.

    It is not the Christians so much as the general public that is supposed to be predominately Christian that gives the bad appearance of things. We come across wrong.
    The Muslim thing dates all the way back to the 8th century and they haven’t changed in all that time.
    They would not like my suggestion at the state department.
    I would manipulate our economy so we no longer depend on them for anything. Then I would cut them off without a dime of foreign aid until they show that all people are given a reasonable freedom of religion. But the state department depends on their oil. So they have very brown noses to show for it. That is the bottom line.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…The first thing a person in our military in a foreign land should do is learn how to say please and thank you in that language….”
      NO. As George Washington said: no foreign entanglements

  • Colin

    Religious wars have been waged for thousands of years. These wars have been waged between religions, the Crusades, or within the religion, the Thirty Years War.

    As for the countries where we have been involved with, say, Iraq, we are woefully ignorant of the history and culture of these peoples. S. Hussein, for all his faults, kept the peace between the Sunni and Shia, two branches of Islam that claim different lines of linkage to Muhammed. The Second Gulf War broached this tenous peace, and unleashed the underlying hostility that existed between these two branches.

    I think the attacks on Christians are done for the same reason that Christains attacked adherents of other faiths. Christians believed that their religion was the better religion for a number of reasons, and the same was said for its adherents, and that those aren’t Christians are somehow less, somehow less civilized, and need to be converted, suppressed, or destroyed. I think the attacks may have another basis for their reason: it is a sanction response to Western involvement in the Middle East. The Western World, Europe and USA, have been meddling in the ME since the late 1800s. Further back, there were the Crusades, which left a lingering scar on the relationship between the two religions.

    • immxdmta4

      The top three murderous tyrants of the 20th century (Mao, Stalin, Hitler) murdered over 100 million people, conservative estimate. When the heck in history has ANY “christian” anything come anywhere close to this. And NONE of the above mentioned were involved in any “religious” wars. Do your homework and learn some history for heaven’s sake!!!!!

      • krinks

        They haven’t. Atheists spread this lie to get around the fact that nearly all genocides that don’t come from Muslims come from gun controlling atheists.

      • magormissabib

        Islamists have murdered 270 million christins jews. hindus and buddists since the pervert mohammed lived..

      • Guest

        Tell that to Geezer ^^^^

        He loves to perpetuate the lie!

      • Gay Veteran

        how about Central and South America?

      • Lee

        Yes, these numbers are true. However, under the banner of “Christianity”, the false “church” is also guilty of the murder of many millions through the persecution of “heretics” and not just through the Crusades and the Inquisition. This causes some people to question religion in general and Christianity in particular (Rom 2:24). Christians are warned to flee from Babylon (Rev 18:4,24; Rev 14:6-13) — not everything with a Christian label is of Christ. The fruits of the false “church” and “godless” despots are the same.

        • immxdmta4

          Totally agree and tried to make that evident in the use of quotes around the word Christian. Real Christians, followers of Jesus, have NEVER murdered people in His holy name. Unfortunately there seems to be only a remnant of us (hearkening back to the days of Daniel) left in the USA.

      • Tommy Guns

        So true immxdmta4. There’s a lot of people here who think they’re history experts. These are probably the same people who are fascinated with conspiracy theories. To all you theorists out there, please be objective when you read ridiculous articles. Don’t believe everything you read.

        • immxdmta4

          Funny!!! I believe there are lots of conspiracies too! But I’m a research hound so I feel pretty confident in myself. And I’m no historian, that’s for sure! But again, I know enough and do the research before I speak about things. I hate being proved a fool. God bless!

    • magormissabib

      Youre an idiot. Christians dont atttack people. If they do they do it in contradiction to the example and teaching of Christ. Islamists who follow the teachings and example of thier pedophile prophet are the problem. Islam is the problem. Obama is a muslim.

      • Gay Veteran

        bilge

        • magormissabib

          Yes, you are.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwww, such a witty troll

    • Randome-11

      A: My religion is obviously the true one!

      B: You lying bag of pig diarrhea, mine is! It is a fact… thought, of course, I do not need any proofs to Believe.

      A: I find that laughable… even thought I don´t need any proofs for mine either!
      You are going to hell for this blasphemy, you dog-marrying heretic.

      B: No no, you are, prepare to meet your true father, Satan.

      • Gay Veteran

        excellent comments

  • Geezer

    First of all the Roman Catholic Church and their Jesuit army have killed more real Christians then anyone else in the world. Our leadership is satanic and filled with Jesuit Georgetown alumni who can’t wait to do the will of the papacy.

    • Tim

      Are you familiar with Eric Jon Phelps’ work?

      • jaxon64

        Read a book by Dave Hunt–“A Woman Rides The Beast”…you will have no doubt by the time you are 200 pages into this mammoth volume that catholicism is the whore “mystery babylon”..
        And Michael…can you imagine that people still won’t face the fact that Obama is a Muslim?–his own brother has deep ties at high levels with the muslim brotherhood however I would guess more like Wahabbiism (sp?) for O.. No Christian could allow his christian brothers and sisters to die so horrifyingly-and is complicit in thousands of them.
        No Christian man refers to it as always “the bible” with a sneer or mocking when he quotes scripture…Yet always states, “The Holy (puke) Koran” and quotes it with perfect arabic or farsic accent with glowing adulation..

        • Rastus

          Dave was awesome! Another must read from him is “What Love Is This”… Calvinism’s Misrepresentation Of God. It covers John Calvin’s Catholic background and his repackaging it into “Calvinism”.

    • magormissabib

      Obama and the pope the beast and the false prophet.

    • Hammerstrike

      The catholic church was behind Mohammed, Hitler, Stalin, Pol the Pothead, Tojo, the CSA and George III.

    • Tommy Guns

      What a ridiculous statement. Where do you get your information from??? The National Enquirer????
      What a loony!!!!

  • Nick

    A ‘tu quoque’ move simply does not address the issue here, which is the appalling treatment of their fellow citizens by Muslims around the world. This is a fact, and it’s happening right now.

    • magormissabib

      . Winston Churchill On Islam

      “How dreadful are the curses which
      Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which
      is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful
      fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries.
      Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of
      commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of
      the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of
      its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact
      that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his
      absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must
      delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has
      ceased to be a great power among men.”

      • Gay Veteran

        Churchill? remember what Britain did in South Africa?

    • c c b

      simply stated……it is just knowing and learning the difference between right and wrong…nothing more nothing less

  • DJohn1

    The thing that most true Christians want is for Jesus to return. Be careful of what you pray for.
    I maintain that when that happens the entire religion will be destroyed and remade. Too many of Satan’s followers are posing as Christians.
    Jesus in scripture often read people’s minds and discerned their true intentions. He was known to get angry about it.
    Jesus has an army of angels at his call. Scripture said something about 6,000 angels. But I would not want to put a number on it.
    As for the elimination of Christians by the conquering American Soldiers, “By their fruits, you shall know them.”
    Same goes for those leaders in charge of this country.
    True Christians practice what Jesus taught.
    When mankind gets to the point where the corruption is universal, I believe that will be when Jesus returns. But Jesus is not in control of that return. God in the form of the Father Creator of everything will determine when Jesus does return. No one knows when that will be. There is a network of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Each is capable of independent action and each is in communication on a very high level with one another. God is ultimately in charge of everything. God determines everything when all is said and done.
    The view is that when people die, that is it. That is a lie. It is a big and convincing lie. It is backed up by a lot of forensics. The body does go back to dust.
    All those martrys go to a much better place with Jesus. Many complain about what is happening right here on this planet. But those who do know what happens are quiet about it.
    I think our brains, our bodies, and our life force is intertwined with something called the Soul. It is the Soul that goes to one place or the other. The body is discarded when we die.
    My loyalty is to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. I do not pretend to know why they are allowing what is going on right now with Satan.
    I have to think they are looking not at the small local picture but a picture of things that we cannot even comprehend. In that view, we are all likely to be victims of the coming conflict.

    • Michael

      Jesus and God are the same

      John 14:5-11

      King James Version (KJV)

      5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

      6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

      7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

      8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

      9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

      10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

      11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

      Revelation 1:8

      King James Version (KJV)

      8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpbbqMJQs78 TheSpeckledGibbler

        Does the Bible agree with those who teach that the Father and the Son are not separate and distinct individuals?

        Matt. 26:39, RS: “Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’” (If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.)

        John 8:17, 18, RS: “[Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:] In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.” (So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.)

        Alpha and Omega: To whom does this title properly belong?

        (1) At Revelation 1:8, its owner is said to be God, the Almighty. In verse 11 according to KJ, that title is applied to one whose description thereafter shows him to be Jesus Christ. But scholars recognize the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 11 to be spurious, and so it does not appear in RS, NE, JB, NAB, Dy. (2) Many translations of Revelation into Hebrew recognize that the one described in verse 8 is Jehovah, and so they restore the personal name of God there. See NW, 1984 Reference edition. (3) Revelation 21:6, 7 indicates that Christians who are spiritual conquerors are to be ‘sons’ of the one known as the Alpha and the Omega. That is never said of the relationship of spirit-anointed Christians to Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke of them as his ‘brothers.’ (Heb. 2:11; Matt. 12:50; 25:40) But those ‘brothers’ of Jesus are referred to as “sons of God.” (Gal. 3:26; 4:6) (4) At Revelation 22:12, TEV inserts the name Jesus, so the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 13 is made to appear to apply to him. But the name Jesus does not appear there in Greek, and other translations do not include it. (5) At Revelation 22:13, the Alpha and Omega is also said to be “the first and the last,” which expression is applied to Jesus at Revelation 1:17, 18. Similarly, the expression “apostle” is applied both to Jesus Christ and to certain ones of his followers. But that does not prove that they are the same person or are of equal rank, does it? (Heb. 3:1) So the evidence points to the conclusion that the title “Alpha and Omega” applies to Almighty God, the Father, not to the Son.

        The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.
        The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

        In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
        According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.
        John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

        • Michael

          So are you agreeing with me or disagreeing, some things you can only understand in the spirit,

          John 10:30

          King James Version (KJV)

          30 I and my Father are one.

          John 20:28

          King James Version (KJV)

          28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

          Colossians 1:14-17

          King James Version (KJV)

          14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

          15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

          16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

          17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

          Philippians 2:5-8

          King James Version (KJV)

          5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

          6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

          7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

          8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

          John 1:1-14

          King James Version (KJV)

          1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

          2 The same was in the beginning with God.

          3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

          4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

          5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

          6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

          7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

          8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

          9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

          10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

          11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

          12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

          13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

          14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

          John 17:20-23

          King James Version (KJV)

          20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

          21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

          22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

          23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

          Jesus and God are the same they are one, the reason Jesus prayed was that he prayed to himself, but to show us an example.

          John 13:1-15

          King James Version (KJV)

          13 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

          2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him;

          3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

          4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.

          5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.

          6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?

          7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

          8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

          9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.

          10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

          11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

          12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?

          13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

          14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet.

          15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

          • Renaissance Girl

            Wow. It’s amazing how few quotes you used to back up where you stand in comparison to the other guy. You won — HANDS DOWN! Amen.

    • krinks

      You are correct. My wife has been a Hospice Nurse for a number of years and has seen patients at the end with a vision of both destinations. The cold stench of sulfur filling the room and a highly agitated patient who knows something bad is about to happen to them but not what and then there is the warm smell of fresh flowers, colors, and the greeting from long dead friends and relatives.

    • Gay Veteran

      religion exists for 2 reasons:
      (1) man fears death,
      (2) as a means of social control (obey the king or you’ll go to h ell)

      • magormissabib

        says the feces eater!

        • Gay Veteran

          hmmmm, feces is certainly on your mind a lot. project much/

      • Michael

        Are you still trolling these blogs, throwing out your anti Christians rhetoric so you can justify your disgusting lifestyle, homosexuals go to hell bottom line it is an abomination unto God.

        • Gay Veteran

          says the pharisee

          • Michael

            what would make me a pharisee because I tell you the truth, your lifestyle is absolutely disgusting.

          • Gay Veteran

            smug, self-righteous, sanctimonious, yeah you’re a pharisee

          • Michael

            you call someone names all the time, but yet you forget the fact that your own sin is going to send you to hell, you come on mostly Christian blogs a advertise your sickness hoping people are going to leave the natural use of a woman and turn to your perverted sickness, you call me a pharisee and you do not even know what a pharisee is, write now you are fulfilling prophecy written in the Bible, the militant aspect of all of you anti-chritians is fulfilling prophecy right before your eyes, remember what happened to Sodom and Gomorra and the cities of the plain, they burned for they same sin that you advertise, you will have your pleasure for a season then comes judgment, I care not what you call me, I count it all to joy, because what is happening right know has all been foretold by Jesus Christ, and you are just reaffirming what Jesus told all those Christians through his Word the Bible, all satan wants to do is bring as many people with him to hell as possible, and unless you repent according to The Word of God, you will be there as well, repent of else you will perish,

            Luke 17:24-29

            King James Version (KJV)

            24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

            25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

            26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

            27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

            28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

            29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

            pay close attention to verses 28-29.

            Not until this sick cultures kills me will I ever give up preaching Jesus Christ.

          • Gay Veteran

            you can believe all the myths you want, but that doesn’t mean you’re morally superior to anyone.
            and your comments reek of self-righteousness

          • Gay Veteran

            the only sickness here is the hatred in your heart

        • Gay Veteran

          trolling? sounds like what you do in a men’s restroom

          • Michael

            wow typical homosexual, playing the other side of the coin, thinking everyone is a homosexual and they just deny it, you have a sickness it is called sin, my advice repent, or the sickness that you have will continue to get worse and worse.

          • Gay Veteran

            spoken like a true ayatollah wannabe

          • Michael

            Preaching the truth and show you the prophecies that are coming to pass now you call me an ayatollah and never have I ever said I was muslim, but you can only come up with name calling such as pharisee, you remind me of the days of grade school when someone was wrong all they resorted too was name calling because they did not have the mental capacity to think up of anything constructive, the sin that you have in your name is an abomination unto God, and there is a punishment for that sin, eternal death. I call it all to glory how it is that you anti-christians make fun of me, because you did the same to my savior 2000 years ago and all the persecution since then.

            Luke 17:24-29

            King James Version (KJV)

            24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

            25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

            26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

            27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

            28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

            29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

          • Gay Veteran

            good job parroting bible verses, Polly want a cracker?

          • Michael

            you say the same things over and over again, you have said the same things before, is the sin in your life inhibiting your mental capacity, or have OI proven you so wrong you turn to childish antics.

          • Gay Veteran

            it’s self-righteous Pharisees like you that are driving people away from the churches

          • Michael

            you still have not looked up the definition of a pharisee, I would rather tell the truth then lie to people to get them through the doors, either your going to do all the Jesus says or nothing at all,

            Revelation 3:15-16

            King James Version (KJV)

            15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

            16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

            a lie to get people into church will send that person to hell, the truth shall set you free.

            shewing the gospel makes someone self-righteous then all these pastors out there are self-righteous and street preachers are all self-righteous, I think not they are showing people the error in there ways and trying to show them the truth through Jesus Christ,

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, what did Jesus say about the Pharisees?

          • Michael

            I know what Jesus said, but how would you know a person that well if you have never met them to tell whether they are a pharisee or not, and if you know so well please inform on what it is that you think.

            You quote Jesus but you deny Jesus,

            Romans 1:20-32

            King James Version (KJV)

            20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

            21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

            22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

            23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

            24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

            25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

            26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

            27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

            28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

            29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

            30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

            31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

            32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

          • Gay Veteran

            you have a brain, try using it instead of parroting bible verses

          • Michael

            The only reason you do not like to here the Bible verses is it must condemn you, the truth stings does it not, maybe you should find a righteous Church by were you live and walk up to the alter and repent, and follow all the other steps that were given to the Christian in the book of Acts. Let me answer your question you are absolutely right Jesus did give me a brain, and I do use my brain to read the scripture and warn as many as possible about what is coming to pass, you do not like to here it because it show your fault and that must be the reason you cower at the verses that I post, time in this age is quickly running out, you can not change after you are dead, the dead knoweth not nothing, man is judged in the living, and the sin you promote is an abomination.

            Matthew 10:27-28

            King James Version (KJV)

            27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

            28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

            Luke 17:26-29

            King James Version (KJV)

            26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

            27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

            28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

            29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

            condemnation, repent repent.

          • Gay Veteran

            try thinking for yourself instead of parroting bible verses, Mr. Ayatollah

          • Michael

            an ayatollah is muslim, you are lost I am Christian, as far as the Bible verses we already have been through this I live and die for The Word of God, the Bible has all the answers, that is the reason why I quote the Bible all the time, you just like to go in circles, Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26-27

            1 Corinthians 14:38

            King James Version (KJV)

            38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

          • Gay Veteran

            squawk, Romans 10:2-3.

            squawk, 1 Corinthians 14:38.

            squawk, Polly wants a cracker

          • Michael

            if you are ignorant stay ignorant.

            My own righteousness, wow glad you studied the Bible to get that one, but it not my words that I gave you it was Jesus Christ you deny what he says to justify your abomination.

            I believe I have copied and pasted 1 Corinthians 14:38 for you a couple of times, if you want to stay ignorant of The Word of God that is your freewill choice, I gave you enough information to show what the abomination is that you are committing and if you choose to stay the way that you are there is a second death.

          • Gay Veteran

            squawk, 1 Corinthians 14:38.

            gee Polly Pharisee, don’t you get tired of being a parrot

          • Michael

            I have told you enough to warn you about the abomination that you run around flaunting, your time will come, this will be my last post on this for now.

          • Gay Veteran

            your last post? guess Polly is so stuffed with crackers you can’t squawk out any more verses

          • Gay Veteran

            you are truly pathetic, you can’t make an argument without parroting bible verses

          • Michael

            I live and die by The Word of God, as much as I can by life do I go by the Bible, if that makes me pathetic so be it, I will quote the Bible daily, all my arguments are scriptural so I quoting the scriptures would make sense only to someone who can use there mind and spirit and understand the scripture, a worldly mind does not understand the scriptures.

            Romans 8:6-8

            King James Version (KJV)

            6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

            7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

            8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

            hope these few verses answer your question about why I quote the scriptures.

          • Gay Veteran

            guess I had better buy Polly some more crackers

          • Michael

            still a child are you not, never grew up, the verses I have given you must cause you great regret for the sickness that you are committing that is the only reason you have the un-mature response to my questions, keep living in your pleasure for a season, then comes judgement, life in this body is short, but the spirit lives forever whether in Heaven or in Hell, the sin you promote is an abomination, condemnation,

            Hebrews 11:24-26

            King James Version (KJV)

            24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter;

            25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

            26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

            what you promote is from satan and you fell into the temptations of this world.

          • Gay Veteran

            yep, Polly needs some more crackers

          • Michael

            you keep repeating the same thing over and over again, you sure must like parrots as much as you talk about them.

            1 Corinthians 14:20

            King James Version (KJV)

            20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

          • Gay Veteran

            squawk, 1 Corinthians 14:20.

            squawk, Polly wants a cracker

          • Michael

            I am glad you are starting to read the Bible, I think the Word of God is fantastic and the way the united states should govern there laws like marriage is between a man and a woman, you should read Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:20-32

            Leviticus 18:22

            King James Version (KJV)

            22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

            Romans 1:20-32

            King James Version (KJV)

            20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

            21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

            22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

            23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

            24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

            25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

            26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

            27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

            28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

            29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

            30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

            31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

            32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

            when you continue your studies of The Word of God, the Bible take a look at Acts 2:38 about baptism and repentance, a new mind turning away from the lusts of this world,

            Acts 2:38

            King James Version (KJV)

            38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

            Keep reading the Bible, it will do you and everyone around you good.

          • Gay Veteran

            there goes Polly Pharisee again, parroting those verses

          • Michael

            I have told you enough to warn you about the abomination that you run around flaunting, your time will come, this will be my last post on this for now. Hell is eternal, pleasure of sin is for a season.

          • Gay Veteran

            are you even capable of presenting an argument without parroting bible verses???

          • Michael

            what argument you just keep talking about parrot, and your hatred for the scriptures, because it points out the abomination that you are committing, I will always quote scripture I told you the Bible, The Word of God is my life and what I live and die by, I have presented many of arguments, but they do not fit your status quo so you ignore them, condemnation.

            Acts 2:38

            King James Version (KJV)

            38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

            repent a new mind turning away the lust of the flesh.

            Ephesians 2:2-7

            King James Version (KJV)

            2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

            3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

            4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

            5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

            6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

            7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

            1 Peter 2:11-12

            King James Version (KJV)

            11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

            12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

            lust of the flesh, that is what you are trapped in.

          • Gay Veteran

            the more you mindlessly parrot bible verses the more you prove yourself to be nothing but a parrot.

            squawk!

          • Michael

            I told you I live and die by The Word of God it is my life and all the question in life can be answered by the Bible, that is the reason I quote the Bible, you must like birds a lot though, you keep talking about parrots, The Word of God is forever.

            Isaiah 40:8

            King James Version (KJV)

            8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

            Hebrews 4:12

            King James Version (KJV)

            12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

            1 Peter 1:25

            King James Version (KJV)

            25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

            the word that Jesus spoke condemns you.

          • Gay Veteran

            someone listen to me parroting verses!

            squawk, squawk, SQUAWK!

          • Repent Gay Vet

            Why don’t you post your picture?
            I always wondered what a total, absolute asshole looks like.

          • Repent Gay Vet

            And your weak, lazy mind would come up with something like “Well, just look in the mirror”, or something worse about my mother. You really crawl low. Go ahead & say it.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…I always wondered what a total, absolute asshole looks like.”

            just look into a mirror

          • Michael

            I have told you enough to warn you about the abomination that you run around flaunting, your time will come, this will be my last post on this for now. Judgement comes faster then you think, in the thief in the night.

          • aghast

            To Gay Vet:

            “Jesus himself quoted a massive amount of verses. Dare you call HIM a parrot too? Dare you mock HIM?”

            Thanks for standing up to this loon.

          • Gay Veteran

            my comments have nothing to do with “hatred for the scriptures”.

            my comments are directed at smug, self-righteous Pharisees like you

          • Michael

            smug pharisee, so when someone tells you the scriptures and you do not like it that makes them a pharisee, condemnation is the word that I can think of, Jesus is the same then, now, and forever, what The Word says about homosexuality will never change, God changes not,

            Malachi 3:6

            King James Version (KJV)

            6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

            Hebrews 13:8

            King James Version (KJV)

            8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

            never will that abomination ever be accepted, Jesus already said so.

          • Gay Veteran

            squawk, Malachi 3:6.

            squawk, Hebrews 13:8.

            gee Polly Pharisee, you should be stuffed with crackers by now

          • Michael

            I have told you enough to warn you about the abomination that you run around flaunting, your time will come, this will be my last post on this for now. You call me a pharisee, but you purposely dis obey Jesus, that is not good, this life is short eternity is forever.

          • Gay Veteran

            the only abomination here is self-righteous Pharisees like you

          • aghast

            aghast > Michael

            I agree with you. But Jesus did say not to cast your pearls before swine. This man is evil.
            Good try, though.

          • Gay Veteran

            and now another bigot shows up

          • aghast

            I agree with you. But Jesus did say not to cast your pearls before swine. This man is evil.
            Good try, though.

          • aghast

            Jesus himself quoted a massive amount of verses. Dare you call HIM a parrot too? Dare you mock HIM?

          • Gay Veteran

            was he a Pharisee?
            moron

          • aghast

            So how’s the black mass these days? How’s your old friend Anton Lavey?

          • Gay Veteran

            lying p.o.s.

      • K2

        Just because you are gay, doesnt mean you have to say such things about religion. You can be gay and respect religion.

        Sure some people of religion doesnt respect/agree with you being gay, but it doesnt mean you have to say such things about religion, because of them.

        • Gay Veteran

          sorry, it was a true statement

          • K2

            And religion is worthy of respect.

          • Gay Veteran

            worthy of tolerance, not necessarily respect

          • K2

            ‘Not’ being accurate while describring the necessity of religion is being disrespectful.

          • Gay Veteran

            ???

          • K2

            I totally forgot about this discussion hence the late reply.

            I dont understand….what exactly did you not understand?

          • Gay Veteran

            how was I “not” being accurate?

          • K2

            You posted ‘???’ instead of saying what part you dint understand and why.

          • Gay Veteran

            did you read my previous post?

            how was I “not” being accurate?

          • K2

            You said religion exists for two reasons, man fearing death and a means of social control.

            How is this accurate?

          • Gay Veteran

            since you’re the one questioning it, how is it inaccurate?

          • K2

            When you say something you have to back it up.

          • Gay Veteran

            see logic

          • K2

            what? you mean see logic in it? (English inst my first lang, so i want to make sure i understood what you wanted to say, correctly before responding

          • Gay Veteran

            there is no error in the 2 points

          • K2

            Like i said, when you say something you have to back it up.

          • Gay Veteran

            can’t figure it out, eh

          • K2

            I want to hear it from you.

          • aghast

            That is beyond GV’s very small mind.
            Good job though.

    • magormissabib

      God has always had a people, a remnant in every age. He does today but they are so small as to be non existent statistically.

  • Jeremy

    I tried posting a comment twice, and it was not offensive at all. Why was it not posted?

  • doubter dale

    I tried telling people this a decade ago and everyone scoffed and called me a terorrist…

  • http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions David

    Why? Because America is the ‘earth beast’ of Revelation 13, which is controlled by the Jesuits, to bring in their New World Order. They control/fund/support Al Qaeda operatives to overthrow the leaders of countries, so that they can place a NWO-friendly puppet. And they have the Al Qaeda operatives kill the Christians in the country.

  • magormissabib

    Obama is the antichrist.

  • magormissabib

    Democracy without the foundation of biblical morality as its foundation is nothing but mob rule. That is the type of democracy Obama is spreading.

    • Gay Veteran

      “Democracy without the biblical morality as its foundation is nothing but mob rule….”
      biblical morality? ever hear of slavery pre-1865?

      • magormissabib

        Ever heard of the civil war?

        • Gay Veteran

          after how many years of slavery?

      • jaxon64

        A little history…most Americans and almost all of America’s forefathers were abolitionists.
        America had this little problem though–which liberal curricula would NEVER dare mention. you see, America until 1812 officially–was fighting the current-greatest empire on the planet-Great Britain.
        Great Britain ( and to a lesser degree the french) partook in slave trading and used slaves during the colonial period of America’s founding.
        The forefathers, in their wisdom, knew that to ever abolish slavery in N America they would first have to win absolute freedom and sovereignty ( and I’m not saying this was the primary reason for the desire to be self governing). There was no way that-even though they were abolitionists–they could ever start a civil war in this country and fight the British also.
        Once Britain officially recognized the USA as a seperate soveriegn nation after the final War of 1812–then almost immediately the true hearted and “freedom for all men who are created equal in the eyes of God” forefathers of the USA began efforts to end the horror that is human slavery on our continent…
        For the record—to have won our official, national independence in 1812 and to have abolished slavery less than 60 years later–that is quite possibly the single greatest record of anti-slavery in human history !!
        Yet our instigator in chief and his white-hating, racist wife try and tell blacks that they are victims in the US and that whites should all still be languishing in guilt—150 years later and they still wear the crimes against their great, great, great grandfathers as an open wound….get over it!!
        Heck, only 10 to 15% of current white Americans even have any ancestry to the past slave owners–with the majority of Americans coming here from Europe after the start of the idustrial revolution….no apologies and no guilt from this white man!

        • magormissabib

          Youre wasting your time. God has given ”Gay Vet” over to a reprobate mind. He cant think straight about anything These freaks love to talk about slavery because they love to compare their perverted cause to the civil rights cause, which is to compare the filthy depraved practice sodomy between men with the immutable characteristic of color of skin. I guess they forget that it was white christian men who fought the civil war. Like it or not early americans derived their thinking and their laws from the Bible. The Biblical morality was the rubrics for the declaration of independence, the constitution and the bill of rights.

          • Gay Veteran

            well I see the Pharisee is back with more self-righteous ranting

            “… I guess they forget that it was white christian men who fought the civil war….”

            yes, on BOTH sides

            “…Like it or not early americans derived their thinking and their laws from the Bible. The Biblical morality was the rubrics for the declaration of independence, the constitution and the bill of rights.”

            guess you never learned about the Enlightenment, the Age of Reason
            silly ayatollah wannbe

          • Renaissance Girl

            But it’s not straight thinking all of the time. I’m a Christian, but not the kind that you are. You love to exaggerate all of the positive traits this country has and then ignore all the negatives. That’s a shame and messed up, for lack of a dirty curse word. When I read some of these comments, I get flashes of angry White supremacist “men” whining and freaking out every time they see a person with darker skin than theirs and checking their many guns whilst little wifey checks their prepper stock. I just have to shake my head. You guys are deceived too. God said nothing about different races. There’s only one — human and if you don’t see that you’re just as lost — if not more so — than the people you are trying to judge. This is embarassing. Shame on you so-called Christians.

          • magormissabib

            It seems you have some kind of comprehension problem. Nothing I said was anything like white supremisist? What the word of God says about race is this: Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; n case you dont understand it means that we all decended from Adam and in that sense we are all equal. But to twist that to mean that all conducts are equal is not gonna fly. God said that homosexualiy CONDUCT is an abomination.

          • Renaissance Girl

            No, I don’t have a comprehension problem. I can infer what you are saying. Stop deflecting. It’s ugly.

          • magormissabib

            When you try to equate a sexual CONDUCT with an immutable condition of BEING like race , then you are confused. It is nothing but a lie that they are born gay.

        • Gay Veteran

          “A little history…most Americans and almost all of America’s forefathers were abolitionists….”

          most Americans? almost all of America’s forefathers? PROOF PLEASE

          “…The forefathers, in their wisdom, knew that to ever abolish slavery in N America they would first have to win absolute freedom and sovereignty….”

          WOW, talk about your revisionist “history”. again, PROOF PLEASE

  • Tatiana Covington

    Maybe being a Christian isn’t so smart.

    • magormissabib

      Ingrate. In western society founded on biblical morality you can say such a thing without being put to death. Go to an islamic nation and make such a comment about islam and see how fast you lose your head.

      • Tatiana Covington

        Ever heard of adapting to one’s environment, if one cannot adapt it to oneself?

        It’s called survival. Doing what is needed to stay alive.

        And for survival, anything goes! Including fighting, cheating, lying, stealing, killing.

        Darwin rules!

        • magormissabib

          Its people like you , degenerates, that our nation is going to hell in a handbasket. America was an experiment and our system was built on the principle that men should be moral and obey the laws out of respect for their fellow man. When america is a police state and a cop is clubbing you over the head for expressing an opinion remember that its what you asked for.

        • Randome-11

          No. Darwin does not rule!

          I rather want to ignore and deny reality, pray for my salvation instead of doing anything meaningfull.
          The bible is my alcohol and crutch in my quest to deny reality and lie to myself.
          Of course, while I claim that the bible is the true Word of God, I have never bothered to read much of it and I ignore its commands, like helping my fellow christians against the beast… because I am not a real christian, I am a basement-dwelling coward and hypocrite who want to live in willfull and deliberate ignorance, as long as possible.

      • Gay Veteran

        Western society was also founded on the Age of Reason, the Enlightenment

        • magormissabib

          quiet feces eater

          • Gay Veteran

            yes, the only response you’re capable of, pharisee

  • magormissabib

    ah-ha another rabid dog homosexual heard from. Like it or not -the
    rubrics for western thought and the declaration of independence and the
    constitution came from Biblical morality.- and the clear light of
    nature. There is no moral principle or natural law that would give
    rights to sodomites to marry. It is a perversion and an ignorance and
    misunderstanding of human rights that make you think you have such a
    right. Equality never meant that we have to accept every kind of
    sexual perversion and deviant immoral conduct and allow it.
    Its
    just mind blowing that you think its great that muslims are killing
    Christians and take their side forgetting that it is in the western,
    Christian civilization that you are tolerated when in islamic nations
    you are put to death by hanging or worse.

    • Gay Veteran

      “… Like it or not -the
      rubrics for western thought and the declaration of independence and the
      constitution came from Biblical morality.- and the clear light of
      nature….”

      you totally ignore the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason. gee, wonder why

      “…There is no moral principle or natural law that would give
      rights to sodomites to marry. It is a perversion and an ignorance and
      misunderstanding of human rights that make you think you have such a
      right…..”

      spoken like a smug sanctimonious a-hole who does NOT have a clue about natural rights (which include the right to control your own body)

      • magormissabib

        wrong. the right to conrol your own body is not an absolute right. You
        cant commit suicide, or use c0caine or be a ped0phile or an adulterer or
        have se# with beasts or c0rpses. Get off it $odomy is not a right.
        It is a $in.

        • Gay Veteran

          then you don’t believe in liberty, but then we already knew that, you ayatollah wannabe

    • Gay Veteran

      “…just mind blowing that you think its great that muslims are killing Christians….”

      THY SHALT NOT LIE

      • magormissabib

        Actually ignoramous pervert. The commandment is thou shalt not bear false witness which is perjury . Shut up now. dont you have a peephole at the public toilet to be at.

        • Gay Veteran

          you just publicly PROVED yourself to be a liar.

          you said the following of DerpDerp:
          “…just mind blowing that you think its great that muslims are killing Christians….”
          you LIED, because DerpDerp sand no such thing

    • DerpDerp

      So what? Muslims are killing Christians. Christians are killing Muslims. Muslims are killing Jews. Jews are killing Muslims. It’s nothing new. It’s been happening for hundreds of years.
      Writing now to say “Oh no! Christians are being persecuted!” is pretty much the same thing as saying “The Sky is Blue”. People of other religions persecute people of other religions.
      Personally, I think you’re all crazy, fighting and killing over some invisible God that has absolutely no real proof of existence. You’re all just jockeying to get into His good graces by murdering and oppressing anyone else that doesn’t think like you.
      So please, before you start saying “Christians are persecuted”, remember, Christians run a good percentage of the top nations in the world. They enjoy a great amount of liberty, and have civil rights. Stop crying in your soup when there are other people in the world who are REALLY being persecuted.

  • magormissabib

    No it has nothing to do with politics – and every thing to do with the fundamentals of their religion dictated to them from the insane mad man mohammed to wit convert or die. They have been doing the same thing from the beginning before Palistine existed.

    Vernon Richards on Islam
    “The true Islamic concept of peace
    goes something like this:’Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and
    his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of
    peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for
    war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would
    eventually reach our borders, and so it has.”

    • Gay Veteran

      “…It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has.”

      Reached our borders??? was our borders in Iraq? Libya? Syria?

  • Gay Veteran

    “…Whether you want to admit it or not Western thought stands for civility….”
    yeah, just ignore the slave trade

    • magormissabib

      If you think the west is so uninlightened then take your gay a$$ to pakistan and find out.

      • Gay Veteran

        great strawman you built

    • Jeremy

      So slavery and warfare did not exist in other parts of the world? In addition, the West voluntarily renounced the slave trade, and the system within western countries was used to fight for civil rights. For example, MLK’s use of non-violent protest and inherent belief that the American system would bring about civil rights.

      Finally, I am surprised someone with your lifestyle would show such contempt for the West. I am fairly certain that while you and those in the gay coalition have leverage and are fighting for rights within western countries, in other parts of the world your lifestyle would (at the best) be considered a deviant lifestyle, and at the worst you would disappear or be too afraid to speak (Ahmadinejad’s statement that “there are no homosexuals in Iran”)

      Talk about lack of gratitude.

      • Gay Veteran

        “So slavery and warfare did not exist in other parts of the world?….”

        did I say that? no

        “…In addition, the West voluntarily renounced the slave trade, and the system within western countries was used to fight for civil rights. For example, MLK’s use of non-violent protest and inherent belief that the American system would bring about civil rights…..”

        took a long time to end slavery, then nearly 100 years to achieve legal equality, so stop the bragging

        “…Finally, I am surprised someone with your lifestyle would show such contempt for the West. I am fairly certain that while you and those in the gay coalition have leverage and are fighting for rights within western countries, in other parts of the world your lifestyle would (at the best) be considered a deviant lifestyle, and at the worst you would disappear or be too afraid to speak (Ahmadinejad’s statement that “there are no homosexuals in Iran”)
        Talk about lack of gratitude.”

        nice strawman you built. the only contempt I show is for people who try to whitewash history

        • Renaissance Girl

          Uh, babe, we still don’t have legal equality, but I get what you’re saying.

      • Renaissance Girl

        Fashionably late to the conversation, but I just had to join in.
        You said: “For example, MLK’s use of non-violent protest and inherent belief that the American system would bring about civil rights.” MLK borrowed the use of non-violent protest from Gandhi, who was Indian (in the East — not Western thought). As a woman with more melanin in my skin than you, white man, I just don’t agree and I understand that because of white privilege you’re blind to what the rest of us beautifully and naturally tanned people go through on a day to day basis.

  • Tatiana Covington

    Not only that, but when you look at how badly the feds bungle everything else, what else would you expect except another giant SNAFU?

  • Diana

    It is now very apparent the physical persecution is right at the door of the American church. Events are accelerating so fast, that I am expecting an attack on believers with deaths. America is under direct judgment from the Holy God of Israel, as He is turning the entire society over to the Hard Left reprobates. He does this before destroying a society.
    As America is on the verge of judgment, the reprobates will attack the believers. With the Benham Brothers and Michael Sam incidents, it is very clear that the reprobates are in control and persecution is very close. It’s time to get right with God.

  • Scott Higgins

    I am sure you are joking! Did you post this article because you are clueless or are you trying to insight your readers to understand what is happening in spite of actually having a clue!
    American had a Holy Temple built in New York which housed it’s Holy Processors or Satanic Priests of the sacrifices that were collected daily and offered to those seated on the earthly thrones! This Holy Temple was the temple of sacrifices! The main Holy Throne is in D.C. and has a Mosque Type dome with 2 wings representing those that sit at the left and right of it’s Holy Head Priest! It was portrayed originally as a place of goverment but behind the scenes, the truth was that the dollar was the daily sacrifice taken from the sheep unaware! The veil was torn on 9-11 and at it’s very location, the New Head Priest read a bible verse which said “I am God.” While everyone is looking for the senario that fits their ideas of what is to come, prophecies have been fulfilled. The blind do not see and the men that claim to be wise are proved to be fools! Instead of seeking GOD, men have made the scriptures their god! Money is the god of man both religious and non-religious. The temple was filled by the abomination of desolation! Two tower fallen! And man stood in defiance calming that they would rbuild and be strong! One tower now stands! The Anti-Christ sits on the throne and many wonder, what is going on! Many said the same thing as Jesus hung on the cross! Many said the same thing as the Holocaust was rolled out! Look up, do you not see the rain falling?

  • Scott Higgins

    I am sure you are joking! Did you post this article because you are
    clueless or are you trying to insight your readers to understand what is
    happening in spite of actually having a clue!
    America had had built it’s a Holy
    Temples. One built in New York which housed it’s Holy Processors or Satanic
    Priests of the sacrifices that were collected daily and offered to those
    seated on the earthly thrones! This Holy Temple was the temple of
    sacrifices! America’s main Holy Temple and Throne is in D.C. and has a Mosque Type dome
    with 2 wings representing those that sit at the left and right of it’s
    Holy Head Priest! It was portrayed originally as a place of government
    but behind the scenes, the truth was that the dollar was the daily
    sacrifice taken from the sheep unaware! These sacrifices go to the faithful servants of the King of this World! The veil was torn on 9-11 and at
    it’s very location, the New Head Priest read a bible verse which said
    “I am God.” He said it without emotion as if it were nothing to be noticed! While everyone is looking for the scenario that fits their
    ideas of what is to come, prophecies have been fulfilled. The blind do
    not see and the men that claim to be wise are proved to be fools!
    Instead of seeking GOD, men have made the scriptures their god! Money is
    the god of man both religious and non-religious. The temple was filled
    by the abomination of desolation! Two tower fallen! And man stood in
    defiance calming that they would rebuild and be strong! One tower now
    stands! The Anti-Christ sits on the throne and many wonder, what is
    going on! Many said the same thing as Jesus hung on the cross! Many said
    the same thing as the Holocaust was rolled out! Look up, do you not see
    the rain falling? Or maybe you’ll just bow down, read your bible and wonder why GOD is so far away!

  • bob cratchette

    obama does not speak out because this is his religion muslim he supports the radicals.

  • DJohn1

    One thing I have run into when using the King James Translation of the BIble is older definitions of English. Yet the entire free world of the Western Churches uses this Old English in interpreting the BIble!
    Shakespeare wrote his plays or someone did . . . in the same King’s English of the 1620s or thereabouts. Shakespeare was an amazing burlesque played out on stage by an all male cast playing on the older morality as women would never be seen on stage, at risk of being labeled no class individuals. I suspect the plays were making fun of homosexuality that might have been common in that time.
    I am somewhat literate in that older English. I am not an expert by any means.
    I do know that ancient languages often had an entirely different grammar system than the one we use today. Take modern English as an example. It has changed drastically since the 16th century.
    In England English, there are seven parts of speech. In American English we recognize four parts of speech.
    England English uses the antique spelling system. There are at least 250 different words that are spelled differently here than they are there. I do not have an exact count.
    The meanings of those words are also changed and English has become two shadows of the original meaning of the words.
    Most times the interpretation of that English is very slight in its differences. It is the Devil’s playground. There are more differences of opinion about what the King James version actually says than I care to go into.
    When I study the Bible, I really lay it out in different versions to keep away from that trap. The NIV for instance.
    That same trap as a child gave me worst grades because I often interpretted and spelled things the British way rather than the American way. I was well into my twenties when I realised just how different those two twin languages could be.
    I agree with Michael. God is one in three. They are networked and of one accord on everything. So where you have Jesus you also have God. You also have the third member of that trinity, the Holy Spirit. Where we differ is I also believe that each part of the trinity has a place setting. Each has a different personality within that trinity as expressed numerous times throughout the Bible.
    Normally I would express concern that the entire thing is one of a split personality. That doesn’t even begin to express the complex nature of what is going on. I think that they are describing a perfect communication between the three.
    Jesus often deferred to his Father in Heaven.
    The Holy Spirit is often expressed as an individual within the trinity and God the Father is often expressed as the leading personality of the trinity. This is exactly how a network of minds would work!
    Jesus in scripture often read people like a telepath would read people. He often was able to discern truth from lies.
    God the father, God the Holy Spirit, God in Jesus Christ are often described in various books of the Bible. God, the father is often described as moving forward and backwards in time.
    God in the old testament is often described that anyone seeing God’s face will immediately die. This was especially true in the middle of the old testament. Which of the three were we as humans dealing with? I suggest we were dealing with the Holy Spirit. But I do not know.
    When dealing with the trinity it is very easy to get tangled up with words of various definitions. Yet I believe both are definitions are right. Confusing but right.

  • Katharine

    Because what’s-his-name is a muslim.

  • Tommy Guns

    Whoa, we got some real ‘loony tunes’ on this blog!!!! Where are you people getting your information from, the National Inquirer?????

  • Gay Veteran

    another fascist theocrat

  • Sad

    Obama is a Muslim. A number of his cabinet members are also Muslim. According to Koranic Doctrine, Muslims are compelled to kill any Non-Muslim who refuses to convert to Islam.

    So, Obama supports Koranic Doctrine through the actions of Islamic Militants all over the planet.

    America, at it’s highest levels of Government, has been successfully infiltrated by its most lethal enemy, which is Islam.

    The question is, how did a sophisticated imperial power such as the United States, ever get so completely deceived by its it most destructive enemy?

    I’m sure, some day, one day, if there still is a United States in the future, a historian will write about how a powerful United States was infiltrated, sabotaged, and finally destroyed from within by its most hostile opponents.

    What an embarrassing thought?!

  • Klyx

    Just keep in mind that this policy of “Liberation” (aka “Holocaust of the religious minorities of the Middle East”) was not started by the Obama administration, but by the good, clean Christian Dubbleyah.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    This is what the Jews who are the real power behind Obama intend, the extermination of Christians. They killed 100 million Christian Slavs in Eastern Europe, and now they have declared war on all Christians globally. They consider Jesus to be the son of a whole boiling in a vat of excrement. To them, Christians deserve less consideration than stray dogs. Make no mistake, Jews are the ones pulling the strings, Obama is their puppet.

  • Renaissance Girl

    Wow, with Christian witnesses like this, no wonder Gay Veteran hasn’t joined your ranks yet. LOL. Wow, I’m just like, wow. This is so sad and depressing. Michael of Endoftheamericandream moderator, I wish you would put these racist, White Supremacist “men” in their place. Or do you agree with them? If so, I need to go someplace else. So sad.

  • Renaissance Girl

    I think they’re referring to “real Christians” not the phonies that dress up for Sundays and do cook outs.