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		<title>By: Reymont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reymont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question was &quot;Why in the world should big global corporations hire American workers when they are allowed to hire good workers on the other side of the world for one-tenth the pay and they don&#039;t have to give them benefits or a pension either?&quot;

The answer is because if they don&#039;t they will go out of business.  Picture an American company that makes TVs.  Their competitors in Europe and Asia are paying laborers in China 88¢ an hour, while our company is stuck paying $22 an hour in Iowa.  Who is going to sell more TVs?  

There is no stopping the outsourcing; it wasn&#039;t any one person&#039;s decision or one political policy.  Those people in China are STILL going to make TVs, with or without our involvement, and markets around the world will still buy them.  If we want ANY piece of that money to come here, if we want to at least keep an American brand name on them, then we have to outsource the jobs.  Otherwise, it&#039;ll be a Chinese or a German brand name on there, and we&#039;re out of the game entirely.

The only alternative to outsourcing is walling off our economy, and saying that we can only buy American goods and can only sell things to other Americans.  Then we&#039;re just passing around the same old dollars, never bringing any new ones into the country, while the rest of the world enjoys rising economies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question was &#8220;Why in the world should big global corporations hire American workers when they are allowed to hire good workers on the other side of the world for one-tenth the pay and they don&#8217;t have to give them benefits or a pension either?&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer is because if they don&#8217;t they will go out of business.  Picture an American company that makes TVs.  Their competitors in Europe and Asia are paying laborers in China 88¢ an hour, while our company is stuck paying $22 an hour in Iowa.  Who is going to sell more TVs?  </p>
<p>There is no stopping the outsourcing; it wasn&#8217;t any one person&#8217;s decision or one political policy.  Those people in China are STILL going to make TVs, with or without our involvement, and markets around the world will still buy them.  If we want ANY piece of that money to come here, if we want to at least keep an American brand name on them, then we have to outsource the jobs.  Otherwise, it&#8217;ll be a Chinese or a German brand name on there, and we&#8217;re out of the game entirely.</p>
<p>The only alternative to outsourcing is walling off our economy, and saying that we can only buy American goods and can only sell things to other Americans.  Then we&#8217;re just passing around the same old dollars, never bringing any new ones into the country, while the rest of the world enjoys rising economies.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many sides to this. What I see mainly (besides WS Greed) is people just plain spent too much money. Remember 2004-2008? 80% of the cars on the road were BRAND NEW. Amazing. And anyone who was in college in any of the years of 1989-2008 knows that was a spending FRENZY on many campus&#039;: trips, cars, drinking, &amp; mega debt for some. High ticket debt (house, car, education) can end poorly, so to speak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many sides to this. What I see mainly (besides WS Greed) is people just plain spent too much money. Remember 2004-2008? 80% of the cars on the road were BRAND NEW. Amazing. And anyone who was in college in any of the years of 1989-2008 knows that was a spending FRENZY on many campus&#8217;: trips, cars, drinking, &amp; mega debt for some. High ticket debt (house, car, education) can end poorly, so to speak</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently in the process of &quot;training&quot; my offshore Indian replacement for my current position in technology.  It&#039;s true that they are much cheaper, but the claims that they work harder for a chance are not.
These guys are slow to respond to emails and rarely take initiative.  They are also flaky in their work schedules.  It&#039;s been a few weeks and I have already had many people tell me they are genuinely worried about the future of the organization. 
I am a contractor in technology.  I don&#039;t require a pension, health benefits, or job security.  I do require reasonable pay that allows me to live in the area that I work.  I have a Master&#039;s degree and 12 years experience and when I have a job I work hard.

But it&#039;s not about me, it&#039;s about finding someone in India that is willing to do a lousy version of what I do for 1/10 of the cost.  Corporate managers are compensated based on short-term profits not long-term growth.  Therefore, they have no incentive to keep jobs onshore which is more expensive in the short-term, but keeps key knowledge and strategy close by as well as strengthens the domestic market for the crap they sell.  The more jobs they help create, the more people are willing to buy their widgets.  By outsourcing, they are losing quality thus reducing brand perception, moving knowledge and strategy offshore, and risking the security of customer data.  We need laws that strengthen the nation&#039;s economy and business in the long run, not give corporate managers a chance to make a fast buck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently in the process of &#8220;training&#8221; my offshore Indian replacement for my current position in technology.  It&#8217;s true that they are much cheaper, but the claims that they work harder for a chance are not.<br />
These guys are slow to respond to emails and rarely take initiative.  They are also flaky in their work schedules.  It&#8217;s been a few weeks and I have already had many people tell me they are genuinely worried about the future of the organization.<br />
I am a contractor in technology.  I don&#8217;t require a pension, health benefits, or job security.  I do require reasonable pay that allows me to live in the area that I work.  I have a Master&#8217;s degree and 12 years experience and when I have a job I work hard.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not about me, it&#8217;s about finding someone in India that is willing to do a lousy version of what I do for 1/10 of the cost.  Corporate managers are compensated based on short-term profits not long-term growth.  Therefore, they have no incentive to keep jobs onshore which is more expensive in the short-term, but keeps key knowledge and strategy close by as well as strengthens the domestic market for the crap they sell.  The more jobs they help create, the more people are willing to buy their widgets.  By outsourcing, they are losing quality thus reducing brand perception, moving knowledge and strategy offshore, and risking the security of customer data.  We need laws that strengthen the nation&#8217;s economy and business in the long run, not give corporate managers a chance to make a fast buck!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 01:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot to agree with here. Been with my current company over 12 years. Last pay raise I got was six years ago. The last two years we&#039;ve had our salaries actually reduced. 401K matching, vacation time, company stock purchase plans, actual pay, all gone or reduced. Me and buddies figure it to be about ~14% overall reduction. At my level I was averaging a 10% annual bonus (which are now a vague memory). 

All in all, I am NOW working longer hours, at a much less satisfying job (it actually sucks), for about 20-25% less than I was making just 3 years ago.

My company was once a very highly respected company for the way it treated employees and the loyalty that created.  We were long term focused, made great products. but now? ha! Upper management pushes harder and harder so they get their *quarterly* bonuses. Below VP level, people, and I mean a LOT of people are now pushing 55-60+ hour weeks for fear of losing their jobs. 

With all this said - I still consider myself LUCKY. Even with the ~20% pay reduction, I still make very good money. But one thing has drastically changed. I no longer circulate my money. It all goes into savings. Every spare penny. And while this is good for me, we all understand it is at the expense of the local economy. 

The saddest thing is to see my kids now graduating from college (two in the last four years!). They are entering a dismal job market with no hope of &quot;true&quot; recovery in the foreseeable future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot to agree with here. Been with my current company over 12 years. Last pay raise I got was six years ago. The last two years we&#8217;ve had our salaries actually reduced. 401K matching, vacation time, company stock purchase plans, actual pay, all gone or reduced. Me and buddies figure it to be about ~14% overall reduction. At my level I was averaging a 10% annual bonus (which are now a vague memory). </p>
<p>All in all, I am NOW working longer hours, at a much less satisfying job (it actually sucks), for about 20-25% less than I was making just 3 years ago.</p>
<p>My company was once a very highly respected company for the way it treated employees and the loyalty that created.  We were long term focused, made great products. but now? ha! Upper management pushes harder and harder so they get their *quarterly* bonuses. Below VP level, people, and I mean a LOT of people are now pushing 55-60+ hour weeks for fear of losing their jobs. </p>
<p>With all this said &#8211; I still consider myself LUCKY. Even with the ~20% pay reduction, I still make very good money. But one thing has drastically changed. I no longer circulate my money. It all goes into savings. Every spare penny. And while this is good for me, we all understand it is at the expense of the local economy. </p>
<p>The saddest thing is to see my kids now graduating from college (two in the last four years!). They are entering a dismal job market with no hope of &#8220;true&#8221; recovery in the foreseeable future.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand people&#039;s anger over this issue, but let&#039;s not exonerate the American people of their role in this tragedy.

Some of the justifications for corporations moving jobs overseas are:

1) lower labor cost.
2) lower benefits costs.
3) lower taxes.
4) less environmental regulations.

How do we sum this up and give it a name?

In other words, one of the reasons American corporations moved jobs overseas was to escape the high cost of American democratic socialism.

We don&#039;t live in the United States of America anymore.  For too long it has been The United Democratic Socialist States of America.

Many in this nation, democrats and republicans alike, elect socialist congressmen, and vote to send socialists into executive positions.

American consumers demand choice and competition.  If they don&#039;t like one car, they can go to a different dealership.

But how is a corporation going to escape the high cost of socialism when there is only one socialist American government?

Easy, you move out of harms way, meaning, you move production out of the country.  It&#039;s a defensive move.

It&#039;s easy for the American people to rail against corporate America for exporting our manufacturing base.  If they want to know who to blame, perhaps they should first examine their own voting record, and look in the mirror.  We are dealing with a shallow public mindset, and a form of hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand people&#8217;s anger over this issue, but let&#8217;s not exonerate the American people of their role in this tragedy.</p>
<p>Some of the justifications for corporations moving jobs overseas are:</p>
<p>1) lower labor cost.<br />
2) lower benefits costs.<br />
3) lower taxes.<br />
4) less environmental regulations.</p>
<p>How do we sum this up and give it a name?</p>
<p>In other words, one of the reasons American corporations moved jobs overseas was to escape the high cost of American democratic socialism.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t live in the United States of America anymore.  For too long it has been The United Democratic Socialist States of America.</p>
<p>Many in this nation, democrats and republicans alike, elect socialist congressmen, and vote to send socialists into executive positions.</p>
<p>American consumers demand choice and competition.  If they don&#8217;t like one car, they can go to a different dealership.</p>
<p>But how is a corporation going to escape the high cost of socialism when there is only one socialist American government?</p>
<p>Easy, you move out of harms way, meaning, you move production out of the country.  It&#8217;s a defensive move.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy for the American people to rail against corporate America for exporting our manufacturing base.  If they want to know who to blame, perhaps they should first examine their own voting record, and look in the mirror.  We are dealing with a shallow public mindset, and a form of hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget the origins of NAFTA came during George H.W. Bush&#039;s watch. Just like U.N. Agenda 21. To say Clinton is the only culprit of either of these is misleading and further G.W. renewed the NAFTA agreement years later as I recall saying he did not want to &quot;rock the boat&quot;. When are people going to get the picture of how both major parties are detrimental to the working man/woman in this country?  

This country does not know what free trade really is. The only free trade we have is in black markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the origins of NAFTA came during George H.W. Bush&#8217;s watch. Just like U.N. Agenda 21. To say Clinton is the only culprit of either of these is misleading and further G.W. renewed the NAFTA agreement years later as I recall saying he did not want to &#8220;rock the boat&#8221;. When are people going to get the picture of how both major parties are detrimental to the working man/woman in this country?  </p>
<p>This country does not know what free trade really is. The only free trade we have is in black markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Greg, I see the fingerprints of the NWO all over this. It is a house of cards, as Justin Time pointed out, in which there will be very few buyers left out there who can afford to get buying. I am convinced that we are seeing the fulfillment of another Bible prophecy: he conspiracy of the rich to defraud the workers their just wage. Look it up: James 5:1-6. I fully expect that the actions of these greedy individuals is purposely designed to cause wide scale misery, death and destruction in order to reduce the world&#039;s current population. If we would just stick together, we could toss out the traitors, strip ill-begotten riches from the wealthy (think nationalizing the Federal Reserve) and raise our tariff rates to create jobs in America once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Greg, I see the fingerprints of the NWO all over this. It is a house of cards, as Justin Time pointed out, in which there will be very few buyers left out there who can afford to get buying. I am convinced that we are seeing the fulfillment of another Bible prophecy: he conspiracy of the rich to defraud the workers their just wage. Look it up: James 5:1-6. I fully expect that the actions of these greedy individuals is purposely designed to cause wide scale misery, death and destruction in order to reduce the world&#8217;s current population. If we would just stick together, we could toss out the traitors, strip ill-begotten riches from the wealthy (think nationalizing the Federal Reserve) and raise our tariff rates to create jobs in America once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I have said many times-we need to tax the rich, tax (close all loopholes) the corporations and spread the wealth.  If corporations out source-tax the hell out of them.  The answer is so obvious.  There is way too much money in way too few hands mainly thanks to the republican policies along with a little help from the dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I have said many times-we need to tax the rich, tax (close all loopholes) the corporations and spread the wealth.  If corporations out source-tax the hell out of them.  The answer is so obvious.  There is way too much money in way too few hands mainly thanks to the republican policies along with a little help from the dems.</p>
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		<title>By: Duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A big thanks to Bill Clinton for passing NAFTA and the sucking sound of all those American jobs going out of the country.  Thanks to Clinton also for repealing the Glass Stegall act to allow banking casinos and derivatives to bring down the economy and forcing lenders to lower their lending standards so all poor people can have a house.  We probably need to set up tariffs and penalize companies for outsourcing jobs to be somewhat competative in the world, but that has bad consequences for the economy also.  No really good solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big thanks to Bill Clinton for passing NAFTA and the sucking sound of all those American jobs going out of the country.  Thanks to Clinton also for repealing the Glass Stegall act to allow banking casinos and derivatives to bring down the economy and forcing lenders to lower their lending standards so all poor people can have a house.  We probably need to set up tariffs and penalize companies for outsourcing jobs to be somewhat competative in the world, but that has bad consequences for the economy also.  No really good solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Tired Ovitall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tired Ovitall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because we care about the work we do.  The company I work at just blew $70,000 for some web development from India.  Of course, I suggested that they do weekly code reviews and the young snots here trying to make a name for themselves thought it was foolish.  Of course, the head of the project, a native of India, didn&#039;t see a need for it either.  Well, a few months later and guess what?  The code is garbage and is being re-written.  All of it.  Why?  Well, after doing a little digging I found that this &quot;company&quot; was recruiting web developers, and I was lucky enough to find a forum that one of the developers was asking questions on.  The guy hadn&#039;t even done any java coding before.  WTF???

And, we had this supposed &quot;project leader&quot; who was a native of India hire other consultants that shared his heritage.  And what I noticed about each one was the fact that their didn&#039;t know anything about what we hired them to do.  The majority of these people learn on our dime.  Just like the project leader they hired here, their credentials are usually false.  I took the time to Google one sentence from this guys resume, and what did I find?  I found someone else&#039;s resume online, and this guy took 75% of his resume verbatim and used it in his.  And, the remaining 25% that wasn&#039;t, I found on two other resume&#039;s online.  And here&#039;s the best part, one of them was a sample resume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because we care about the work we do.  The company I work at just blew $70,000 for some web development from India.  Of course, I suggested that they do weekly code reviews and the young snots here trying to make a name for themselves thought it was foolish.  Of course, the head of the project, a native of India, didn&#8217;t see a need for it either.  Well, a few months later and guess what?  The code is garbage and is being re-written.  All of it.  Why?  Well, after doing a little digging I found that this &#8220;company&#8221; was recruiting web developers, and I was lucky enough to find a forum that one of the developers was asking questions on.  The guy hadn&#8217;t even done any java coding before.  WTF???</p>
<p>And, we had this supposed &#8220;project leader&#8221; who was a native of India hire other consultants that shared his heritage.  And what I noticed about each one was the fact that their didn&#8217;t know anything about what we hired them to do.  The majority of these people learn on our dime.  Just like the project leader they hired here, their credentials are usually false.  I took the time to Google one sentence from this guys resume, and what did I find?  I found someone else&#8217;s resume online, and this guy took 75% of his resume verbatim and used it in his.  And, the remaining 25% that wasn&#8217;t, I found on two other resume&#8217;s online.  And here&#8217;s the best part, one of them was a sample resume.</p>
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