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Why Are So Many Conservatives, Preppers And Christians Moving To The Great Northwest?

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montana-landscape-public-domainThousands of Americans are flocking to “Big Sky” country, and this movement has become so prominent that it has even caught the attention of the mainstream media. Within the last several weeks, both The Chicago Tribune and The Economist have done major articles on this phenomenon. From all over the country, conservatives, preppers and Bible-believing Christians are moving to Montana, Wyoming, Idaho and the eastern portions of Oregon and Washington. As you will see below, this region has become known as the “American Redoubt”, and for a variety of reasons it is considered by many survivalists to be one of the top “safe zones” for when things really start falling apart in this nation.

Many of you that are reading this article may think that it is quite strange that families are quitting their jobs, packing up everything they own and moving to the middle of nowhere, but for those that are doing it this actually make perfect sense. A recent Chicago Tribune article on this phenomenon began by profiling an ex-California couple that decided to flee the state for the friendly confines of north Idaho…

Don and Jonna Bradway recently cashed out of the stock market and invested in gold and silver. They have stockpiled food and ammunition in the event of a total economic collapse or some other calamity commonly known around here as “The End of the World As We Know It” or “SHTF” – the day something hits the fan.

The Bradways fled California, a state they said is run by “leftists and non-Constitutionalists and anti-freedom people,” and settled on several wooded acres of north Idaho five years ago. They live among like-minded conservative neighbors, host Monday night Bible study around their fire pit, hike in the mountains and fish from their boat. They melt lead to make their own bullets for sport shooting and hunting – or to defend themselves against marauders in a world-ending cataclysm.

The original article that the Chicago Tribune picked up came from the Washington Post.  It was authored by Kevin Sullivan and photos were done by Matt McClain.  If you would like to read the entire article you can find it right here.

And of course the Bradways are far from alone. Over the past 10 years, approximately five million people have fled the state of California. If I was living there, I would want to move out too. Once upon a time, countless numbers of young people were “California Dreaming”, but those days are long gone. At this point, the California Dream has become a California Nightmare.

Only a very small percentage of those leaving California have come up to the Great Northwest, but it is a sizable enough number to make a huge impact. Unfortunately, many of those that have come from California want to turn their new areas into another version of what they just left, and that is often firmly resisted by the locals.

But it isn’t just California – there are people streaming into the “American Redoubt” from all over the nation, and many of them are some of the finest people that you could ever hope to meet.

An article in The Economist points to a 2011 manifesto posted by James Wesley Rawles as the beginning of the “American Redoubt” movement…

In a widely read manifesto posted in 2011 on his survivalblog.com, Mr Rawles, a former army intelligence officer, urged libertarian-leaning Christians and Jews to move to Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and a strip of eastern Oregon and Washington states, a haven he called the “American Redoubt”.

Thousands of families have answered the call, moving to what Mr Rawles calls America’s last big frontier and most easily defendable terrain. Were hordes of thirsty, hungry, panicked Americans to stream out of cities after, say, the collapse of the national grid, few looters would reach the mostly mountainous, forested and, in winter, bitterly cold Redoubt. Big cities are too far away. But the movement is driven by more than doomsday “redoubters”, eager to homestead on land with lots of water, fish, and big game nearby. The idea is also to bring in enough strongly conservative voters to keep out the regulatory creep smothering liberty in places like California, a state many redoubters disdainfully refer to as “the C-word”.

Who wouldn’t want to live where the air is clear, the water is clean and the sky is actually brilliantly blue and not the washed out grayish blue that you get in most major cities?

And just having some breathing space is reason enough for some people to move to the Great Northwest. If you can get at least a few acres, you will quickly discover the joy of not having neighbors crammed in around you on every side.

Others wish to move to an area with a low population density for more practical reasons. As the New York Times recently reported, crime is rising in large cities all over America…

Murder rates rose significantly in 25 of the nation’s 100 largest cities last year, according to an analysis by The New York Times of new data compiled from individual police departments.

The findings confirm a trend that was tracked recently in a study published by the National Institute of Justice. “The homicide increase in the nation’s large cities was real and nearly unprecedented,” wrote the study’s author, Richard Rosenfeld, a criminology professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis who explored homicide data in 56 large American cities.

Sadly, this is just the beginning. The chaos that we have seen in Dallas, Baton Rouge, Milwaukee, Ferguson, Baltimore, Chicago and elsewhere is going to get much worse. As the economy continues to unravel, we are going to see civil unrest on a scale that none of us have ever seen before. When that time comes, those that have moved to the middle of nowhere will be very thankful that they got out while the getting was good.

Over the last several years, my wife and I have met countless numbers of people that have moved up to the Great Northwest. All of their stories are different, but there is one common theme that we have noticed.

In the vast majority of cases, families tell us that they moved to the Great Northwest because they felt that God was calling them to do so. Individuals from many different churches and denominations have all felt the same call, and that creates a sort of kinship that is quite unusual these days.

Something big is happening in the Great Northwest. If you have never been up here, you might want to check it out some time.

And once you get here, you may never want to go home ever again.

  • mosebym .

    People you can not run and hide from god stand still.

    • iris

      (: Yes, thanks!

  • deareess

    But what about Yellowstone? If it goes or is set off, is it not supposed to harm the area they’re living in?

    • StephaneDumas

      Good question about Yellowstone and we could ask the same question about the former Hanford Nuclear complex who’s a bit more westernly.

  • Jim Davis

    “libertarian-leaning Christians and Jews”

    Not too many of the latter.

  • idaho

    seriously. all of the californians are moving to idaho.

  • Lucas Jackson

    As whites dwindle in numbers and voice, they will feel the need to retreat to a place of traditional Americans, many will not see demographics as a motivator because they are not withdrawing from “other people” they are withdrawing from the cultures they create (when in numbers). At this very moment the Gov’t has this area targeted for change by importing refugees, If you look up the refugee location sites you will see.

    • Pete Okuhira

      And then, they might confront the native Americans once more.

      • Lucas Jackson

        Pete, they better hope it is whites coming to “confront them” and not another demographic, no conquered people in history received more payback and respect as did the American Indian (being mindful of their loss). Can you name another group who would have treated Indian better? We know what tribes and nations did to each other.

    • iris

      White cultures have and do include vastly different ideologies, religions, etc. Some of that has been helpful, some very evil. People are people, whether “red, yellow, black or white, all are precious in His sight”. Just perhaps, the first part of your comment wasn’t a thinly veiled racist remark, and to be fair, at least you did say that culture is created by humanity. But the last sentence you wrote, I agree with. Again however, refugees are precious to God, regardless of what they might do. Each person will answer to God in the end. Trust them, maybe not, love them, treat them fairly, share the gospel, for me, absolutely.

      • iris

        I’m not saying to welcome evil, instead, we should fight against evil, but whites have plenty of evil, also. It’s no respecter of race, age, status, creed.

        • Lucas Jackson

          IF you are claiming all races do harm to others at the same rate, I might ask where you live to think that. We have ample statistics to show who is more violent or likely to commit any crime you could name. You seem like a wishful thinking person, temper that with facts.

          • iris

            Hitler was white, so was Stalin. Millions upon millions died at their bidding, many of them, white. I am claiming that God looks at individual’s hearts and not at the color of their skin. There is white collar crime, too, (pun wasn’t intended). How many people get evicted from their homes because a slum lord raised the rent sky high, companies which only sell products produced by sweatshop labor here and abroad, the list goes on. Is that not crime?

          • iris

            Should have read, individuals’

          • www.tomatobubble.com

            Don’t even start with Hitler. We were told nothing but lies about him.

          • Lucas Jackson

            You are mistaken, on a percentage number not many people died under say Hitler, when you compare African clashes the kill ratios were up to 50% of the population or higher. Just imagine if African leaders had the ability to create and make weapons as Europe has, the whole continent would be vanquished, so their slower development has in someways been a blessing. European wars are between larger nations states so the number seem higher.

        • www.tomatobubble.com

          You are wrong. There is far more crime and violence in non-White races, just look up various law enforcement statistics. Plus, these people in general have very strange looks, and the inevitable interbreeding with them will alter the face (pun intended) of the White people forever. This alone is reason enough to keep them out.

      • www.tomatobubble.com

        If you going to use Bible verses, here is one for you:
        Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

        As you can see God never intended different races to mix, regardless of all being precious in His sight.

        • George

          You have read more into that verse than what it meant.

          A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives; but if the husband is dead, she is free to be married to whomever she desires, only in the Lord. I Corinthians 7:39 (NHEB)

          For the believing Christian, the Lord requires marrying another believer in Christ. Moses married a Midianite. Joseph married an Egyptian. Obed married Ruth, a Moabite. The Lord honoured all these marriages.

          If one marries outside their culture / race, then:

          So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let not man separate. Matthew 19:6 (LITV)

          • www.tomatobubble.com

            These verses don’t apply. The fact is, throughout all of history it has been the norm that races were living separately, according to the boundaries appointed to them by God. Yes, there were a few exceptions like you mentioned above, but as a general rule mass race-mixing has never been the norm. This is not of God. And the fact that Obama is pushing it proves it even more.

          • www.tomatobubble.com

            Most race mixing happens through rapes, not valid marriages. Very few white women would marry these weirdos. So tell me, are you OK with white women getting raped in their own towns by alien refugees? If not, then why are you condoning mass immigration of these people into our lands?

          • George

            Most race mixing happens through rapes, not valid marriages.

            Who’s statistics? Yours?

            Very few white women would marry these weirdos.

            So, anyone with darker than fair skin is wierd?

            So tell me, are you OK with white women getting raped in their own towns by allien refugees?

            I said nothing of the sort, you brought it up, not I.

            If not, then why are you condoning mass immigration of these people into our lands?

            You are reading into things thoughts that I never thought of or expressed. You have a strange view, that anyone who is not a white Anglo Saxon is less than God’s creation.

            People do not choose what race or ethnicity they are born into. It is God who grants the physical living soul life. Once one gets past cultural idiosyncrasies, people are people. There is no such thing as a righteous race and a non-righteous race.

          • www.tomatobubble.com

            “You are reading into things thoughts that I never thought of or expressed. You have a strange view, that anyone who is not a white Anglo Saxon is less than God’s creation.”

            I never said that. All I’m saying is that they are racially incompatible with Whites (regardless of whether they are Christian or not) and should be excluded for that reason alone.

          • www.tomatobubble.com

            “So, anyone with darker than fair skin is wierd?”

            It’s not just the skin color, it’s the whole facial structure that’s different. And yes, from the point if view of a White person that’s weird. You let enough of this people intermix and you can say bye bye to the European types forever..

          • iris

            Actually, in the antebellum South, a lot of mixing happened between white and black because of female slaves getting raped by their white owners or their friends or family members. 30% of people in our country who identify as whites, have African ancestry, about 2.3% black DNA. The average black American has an average of 17-18% DNA which is found in whites. The One Drop Rule, Wikipedia. I call rape a crime, and even though slavery is still legal in many countries, I don’t think it’s God’s heart for any people. Freedom is in Christ, though, whatever circumstances we find ourselves in. God bless.

          • Christopher C

            well they’ll sure date ’em ‘cuz then they can scam twiice as much for free… for real… always keep it real… : )P

          • www.tomatobubble.com

            Moses married a Midianite. Joseph married an Egyptian. Obed married Ruth, a Moabite.

            These cases may not have qualified for race mixing as they were of a similar stock. Kind of like a German marrying a Scott or a Swede.

          • Lucas Jackson

            If you follow the cases you mentioned you find devastation came to them because of the very thing you support.

        • iris

          If you want to interpret that verse that way, then white people should only be living in parts of Europe&Russia.
          In context, the Jew, Paul, was appealing to Greeks and other Gentiles and Jews living in Athens, a cosmopolitan hub of the ancient world known as a center of intellectual thought. He was calling all people of the world, to recognize that God created, sustains and calls each of us to seek Him and repent, because salvation is possible through Jesus Christ. He was sharing the gospel out of love, not supporting segregation.

          Adam and Eve probably weren’t that white looking. The DNA present in them included the possible mutations which we see today within races and in the blending of races. Why can’t we just view human beings as human beings? There is no sin in being born black or white or marrying another race, and a 100% pure race ceased to exist since the time of Genesis, anyway. The problems are within our hearts. What about the verses which tell us that in Christ, there is no Jew or Greek (Gentile), male or female, slave or free, because we are all one in Him?

          • www.tomatobubble.com

            Segregation has always been the norm. Even when the Christian missionaries converted Indians they never said ‘now you can start mixing with the White Europeans’. That idea was naturally abhorrent to them and wouldn’t even enter their minds.

          • iris

            The Holy Spirit converts each one of us who receive the gospel in faith. Skin color, nah, n/a. Christians, regardless of color, are only used by God to point others to Jesus, and again, if love is present, color means nothing. Take your arrogance and hatred somewhere else.

          • www.tomatobubble.com

            Can you find me a Bible verse where Jesus condones race-mixing?

          • iris

            And I’m not saying it’s wrong to prefer to marry someone of one’s own race in appearance, or that God doesn’t want the differences between male and female to exist. We are also told to be content with our circumstances. That verse is talking about the unity of the Holy Spirit among believers.

      • lucidone

        People are people, whether “red, yellow, black or white, all are precious in His sight”
        . Not true!
        As a young child I saw my grandmother thrown to the ground for the money in her purse, I watched a young white school girl attacked in Wilmington Delaware 1974. she was stabbed and beaten, and I saw my mothers car stripped of its wheels in broad day light, all done by ni@@$rs. How is that for being racist. U need 2 wake up. there is an unseen war going on, and it is against white European culture.

        Rob C

  • K

    Pretty area. However the Montana missile fields, and the huge fires they can have out there. Were two reasons I passed it up. Settled for very rural in the Appalachians.

  • Mistanick

    And so it continues, no fight but flight. White’s moved to the suburbs of their cities to escape, leaving a once vibrant downtown like Denver to the poor who could not move while they settled into new developments that promised the good life.

    Without exception, those who move to nirvana take with them the life they tried to leave behind. Yes, many will be sincere and hardworking Christian’s, but some are also the athiests, Masons, agnostics, and backstabbers who also seek nirvana. Their kids thrive for a generation or so, but eventually, the evil they left behind them springs up here, there, and before long, is everywhere. Drugs and alcohol abuse, all manner of teen problems, marriage problems, business failures, low wages, graft, incompetent government, and even gangs set up shop. What then? Kids who were transplanted to nirvana left behind their real home. They grow older and themselves become vagabonds. We send our kids “away” to college three states away and they never return to nirvana as they are searching for a new one. No roots so why stay? No work and low wages for what work there is promises little for the young.

    Locals resent the immigrants as they drive up real estate prices, take scarce jobs, and become outsiders who tend to congregate with kindred spirits and not so much with those who lived there first. The new are different from the old. Crime follows money and soon, the bike rides our kids took are no longer safe. Life changes and a bit of innocence is lost. So much for nirvana.

    • saul

      Right because the christians are just the salt of the earth and don’t do anything bad. Wake up. People are people. Just because your lips speak one thing and your rear sits in a pew on Sunday does not mean you are a good person. A persons true nature never changes no matter how many times he/she praises jesus.

      • iris

        I’m not perfect yet, but my heart did indeed change, the day I believed and received Jesus Christ as God come in the flesh and my savior. I wasn’t raised in church and knew no “Christianese”. Almost immediately, a sense of agape love I had never known before, and great peace and hope entered my mind and heart. That was 43 years ago, and He’s still changing me, fulfilling one of His promises to complete what He started in me. Real Christianity is a relationship, not a recitation or mental assent. But you’re so right to call hypocrisy to the carpet.

        • saul

          Your brain things something and you feel it. It’s called the placebo effect and it is quite powerful.

          • George

            I see it has affected you well. ;) For me, 44 years ago, it was not an emotional experience, but my eyes were opened, I could now read and understand the Bible. Prior, it was a closed and strange book. Here is why, after I accepted the Lord Jesus, I now had the Spirit of truth in me.

            However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming. John 16:13 (NHEB)

            For those who believe and receive Jesus, there is no more judgement awaiting, they will live forever.

            Truly, truly, I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Truly, truly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God’s voice; and those who hear will live. John 5:24-25 (NHEB)

            So, how can one neglect so great a salvation? 8-)

          • karla

            Stop it george you are hallucinating. Of you think ALL of the bible applies to you, you really do not understand the bible. It was NOT written for gentiles, but rather jews. You are a fool if you think it was written for the modern age.

          • George

            For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are dying, but to us who are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, [1]“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, I will bring the discernment of the discerning to nothing.” I Corinthians 1:18-19 (NHEB)

            Us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? As he says also in Hosea, [2]“I will call them ‘my people,’ which were not my people; and her ‘beloved,’ who was not beloved.” [3]“It will be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ There they will be called ‘children of the living God.'” Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, [4]“If the number of the sons of Israel are as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant who will be saved; for the Lord will fulfill his word completely and without delay upon the earth.” Romans 9:24-28 (NHEB)

            1. Isaiah 29:14
            2. Hosea 2:23
            3. Hosea 1:10
            4. Isaiah 10:22,23

          • iris

            Yes, “for the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.” Hebrews 4:12 NASB

          • iris

            Karla, what about the countless references to eternity, forever, a coming new heavens and new earth, etc? Check out Hebrews 4:12.

          • Karla

            There will be no new heaven nor a new earth. Think about it if satan was in heaven with god and had free will also and was allowed to sin there will never be a sinless place above or below.

          • iris

            God atoned for sin by giving Himself in our place, to take the punishment for it which we all deserve. Christians here on earth, still sin sometimes, but we are being transformed by His power, although it takes a lifetime. He gives free will, and we have chosen to receive Him in faith, which is also a gift from His Holy Spirit. The Bible says that when Christ returns for believers who are still here, it will be without reference to sin, because He has given us His own righteousness. He sees believers under His cleansing blood. Satan, the demons, and those who also choose to reject God and His will, will be shut up forever in the end. Then there will be no more sin or suffering- a new heaven and earth, which will be eternal, with God in His rightful place among human beings again, as it was intended to be in the beginning. He’s a gentleman, He gives us free will, even though He is omnipotent.

      • Mistanick

        I disagree with you Saul. I don’t know your standing with Jesus Christ, but He, the Holy Ghost, can change a man’s heart. Where there was once bitterness and all manner of evil, forgiveness and goodness can replace those feelings. “Born again” is not a cliche. It’s real. Becoming a diciple of Jesus Christ is a deliberate thing. Some who are Christian do not follow in His footsteps further and their faith is watered down ultimately.

        No, not everyone who sits in a pew is a “good” person. I don’t know what a “good” person is, but goodness can reign in us. We all fall down from time to time, disappoint others and ourselves, but get back up and move forward.

        • George

          The Lord has this to say,

          So the servants of the householder came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where did these tares come from?’ “And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and gather them up?’ “But he said, ‘No, lest perhaps while you gather up the tares, you root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest time I will tell the reapers, “First, gather up the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.”‘” Matthew 13:27-30 (NHEB)

          Some of those pew warmers are tares. These are the ones who gives pastors and priests grief, who cause dissension at meetings, who spread gossip when someone brings a personal matter for prayer rather than have their best interests at heart, who avoid and isolate people of other colours or ethnic backgrounds instead of greeting them as fellow heirs of grace and encourage others to do likewise.

          Jesus had the disciples and Judas. Jesus had Judas’ best interests at heart, Judas could have become a faithful disciple but he turned. The Lord allowed the example of Judas to show us that we too can have a Judas in our congregations.

          We don’t judge, but we can be fruit inspectors.

          By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit. A good tree cannot produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit. Matthew 7:16-18 (NHEB)

          That’s why pastors and church lay leaders need to keep watch over the flock.

          Therefore, by their fruits you will know them. Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:20-21 (NHEB)

          Some pastors will receive condemnation, because they made their people believe they are saved, when they are not. There will be evidence of faith, when one is truly a believer according to this passage:

          For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, even so faith apart from works is dead. James 2:26 (NHEB)

          If we see no evidence of a change in a person’s life, like they prefer Christians as friends over their lost friends, have an interest in reading the Bible, developing a greater faithfulness to their spouse, something to show that there is new life and etc., then it is possible they truly do not know the Lord Jesus.

          • Mistanick

            George, don’t you believe the finger points at each of us, rather than others? I don’t believe we ourselves, including pastors, are “fruit inspectors” but the Lord God sees and knows. We love, give, offer what we have. Sincerely, without gaining anything in return, we give and love. Certainly, discernment is a factor. Wisdom is to be sought by all men.

          • George

            I’ve heard too much of this finger pointing as an excuse to forgo our responsibilities as being responsible behaving adults, preferring instead to take people’s words instead of checking them out. God gave us a brain and we ought to use it.

            Discernment doesn’t mean that one buries their head in the sand and can’t figure out what is going on around them. Discernment doesn’t mean one believes all what a leader says, but verifies facts. Christ would have not shared such verses, if He didn’t intend for us to learn from them and apply.

            Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of the mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Acts 17:11 (NHEB)

            Perhaps that is what is wrong with America today. Deacons 100 years ago knew more than pastors know today. Rather than taking the lead in our families, communities, workplace and etc., one prefers to be entertained.

            Knowing where people come from allows one to discern their needs. It allows us to pray for them. So, to say that we don’t inspect fruit is not true. ALL PEOPLE DO IT. Some jump to conclusions, that is not what I am talking about.

        • saul

          There is no power in your conversion if you can still act like the unsaved. Just you making a choice as you have always done before and after being so called saved.

  • Jim Clark

    What will they do when the super volcano at Jellystone park in Wyoming blows(it is overdue)?

  • MONKEY BUTT

    great, now the wilderness will be full of starving retards!

    • MONKEY BUTT

      and after they get a good dose of radiation that is coming from japan, they will be stark raving mad starving retards!

  • Paul Patriot

    I would suggest using wisdom before selling everything and moving to the “promised land”

    Unless you are very wealthy, or you have the kind of job that allows you to work from home, you need to think about what to do for a job. You also need to realize that growing seasons are short, winters are long, ( I hope you like cold weather).

    Also, lots of folks get disillusioned with homesteading a diving off the land. If you are a city dweller with these dreams, good for you, just please be aware of the realities that you will face when trying to live off the land, if you are independently wealthy.

    The folks from the mountain states tend to be wary of “outsiders” and it can take a while for them to warm up to you.

    Also, drugs and substance abuse can be high in the rural areas.

    So, unless you are rich, have passive income, can live with no mortgage, love cold weather, and are willing to drive long distances, I would strongly recommend visiting the area you are interested in and try staying for a couple weeks/months before relocating, especially if you are middle aged + and are a blue collar worker and need to work to pay bills.

    Just my 2 cents, in my experience in considering relocation and spending a summer in the mountains in the redoubt.

    Often things look so good, but, the reality turns out to be much different.

    • Zoe

      Actually if you are wanting to move to this area come in the winter and spend a month in December. I live in Idaho and one winter we traveled to So. Dakota going north on the interstate and it was so cold that year (in acutality it’s cold all the time in the winter) that there was no frost on the car windows (23 degrees below zero). Have a dog and had to take her out for bathroom brakes and you can almost freeze in that weather.

  • saul

    Thanks for the list now I know where not to live.

  • bob

    Make fun of the article you lib sheep at your peril

  • George

    Flocking to the Northwest to escape the approaching harder economic and crime ridden times is within their rights in the freedom we have in Christ. However, such may not necessarily be a divine revelation. Christ said,

    You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled, for this must happen, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. But all these things are the beginning of birth pains. Matthew 24:6-8 NHEB

    This we will not escape:

    Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake. Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate one another. Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray. Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many will grow cold. Matthew 24:9-12 NHEB

    It is very simple, no matter where one wants to escape to, there will be Christians persecuted, imprisoned and murdered. It is already happening in various parts of the world, US, 1st world Asia and European Union are not exempt. We are already seeing love of many growing cold toward people in need even in the US. We are commanded to:

    But he who endures to the end, the same will be saved. This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:13-14 NHEB

    Move to the Northwest if you feel compelled to, but we as Christians still have a responsibility to let our neighbours, friends, acquaintances, loved ones and others we come across to know about Christ and His saving love. We are commanded to do that to the enduring end, whether by our death or the Lord’s coming.

    • iris

      AMEN! The Bible says that in multiple places, including the OT. In the NT, it is even described as a gift, an honor to suffer persecution for His name.

  • Scot Wm

    “… it is quite strange that families are quitting their jobs, packing up everything they own and moving to the middle of nowhere …” In 1977, Pastor Jim Jones and over 1000 of his Peoples Temple church members left California and moved to Jonestown, Guyana. The Peoples Temple Agricultural Project was supposed to be heaven on earth. It wasn’t.

  • www.tomatobubble.com

    This is not going to work. All the gov’t has to do is to relocate several hundred thousand African refugees in these safe areas and your paradise is destroyed. Don’t think for a second they aren’t already work on it.

  • Paul Patriot

    ONE more thing to consider. If you relocate somewhere to get away from liberal, progressive politicians and anti-Constitutional laws for example, although, in theory that seems like a positive move…..the problem is, is that you cannot control who else moves in has influence to change your “perfect place”

    I am living in the Carolinas now, the “Bible belt”, relocated from a nanny state in That foreign land called New England…..it is pretty conservative and Constitutional here, the problem is, it slowly turning towards the left.

    My theory is, is that due to Charlotte being one if not the top banking center in America now, you have lots of “educated” folks with degrees from “indoctrination centers ” aka, universities, being transferred in from liberal states. Having lived in 2 liberal states, I can attest that the culture and propaganda are definitely different, and generally lead to people reflecting that particular culture that they live in.

    So, here come the immigrants who have been educated at leftist universities, work in leftist leaning industries, get relocated, and find that they do not like the guns and churches and conservative thinking they see, so they slowly try to change it.

    Y’all May have read of the on going battle with lgbt bathroom issues in Charlotte, which has made national news.

    There are some really great politicians there, but, it seems the left is slowly winning, and slowly dissolving the conservative, Bible belt “south” from Charlotte, and for me Charlotte and Mecklenberg county doesn’t’ look or feel like the South anymore.

    It is very disappointing to me, as I moved South to try to be in a more conservative culture.

    Charlotte now is very liberal, progressive, as is Ashville, with all the rich, liberals relocating there, that don’t reflect conservative Southern values, and refuse to assimilate.

    So there you have it, find a conservative place to relocate to, and all you need is a high growth of different thinking people to move in, and if those people have influence, they can slowly change the culture there.

    I reckon the same thing may happen in the redoubt eventually.

    So, there is no perfect place. As long as this nation is in the condition it’s in now, there is “no perfect place to hide”

    Now, I do understand why some folks decide to move rather than fight, some states are too far gone politically to restore, (CT, NY, CA, HI, NJ, MA) I lived in 2 of those states and can testify that if liberty loving Patriots think they can change/restore the state’s back to their conservative, Constitutional way of life, they are in for one he’ll of a fight, as they are out numbered.

    Some folks criticize others for fleeing their state to move to another, rather than staying and fighting. These folks obviously have not lived in a nanny state and are nit aware how “infiltrated” they have become, so, often, it is better to move to a state where the tyranny has not completely overtaken it yet, and regain the fight there.

    Just my observations, thanks for reading.

  • Beware of moving to the pan handle of Idaho if you suffer from Seasonal Affective Disorder. From what I’ve learned, winters are cloudy, cold, with lots of snow (after all, that’s why there’s a ski resort in Sandpoint). The sun sets around 3:52pm in the middle of December.

    Also note, the Coldwater Creek headquarters in Sandpoint went belly-up a few years ago resulting in the loss of hundreds of jobs. If you are still getting the catalog, it’s only because the Coldwater Creek brand was sold to an outfit in New York who recognized the value of an established brand. But the 300 jobs at the corporate headquarters in Sandpoint are gone. With around 2.5 people per household, that’s around 750 people that have been affected.

    This happened a couple of years ago. I don’t know how well the area has bounced back since then, but it’s something to check out before moving to the area.

  • Lazarovic

    STAND YOUR GROUND. You and your neighbors defend your communities, wherever you are; stand together with law enforcement and the National Guard. Form Civilian Emergency Response Teams, cooperate with the Red Cross, local churches and synagogues, etc. Help local gov’t maintain law, order and services. Vote. Don’t let despair and fear overcome your God given rights. You have a Republic, keep it!

  • Chris Gerber

    During the governorship of Tom McCall, there was a slogan adopted in Oregon… “Don’t Californicate Oregon”.. This isn’t a new phenomenon. Oregon and Washington and the rest of the Pacific Northwest are a much desired destination because of the climate and the forested terrain and clean air among other reasons.

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    Staying in Utah – where we’re supposed to be.

    Is an urban area easy to defend? It is; if you know how to do it.

    1. Unify with neighbors: work on this now and keep it up all through disaster and beyond. This is not a game of Survivor. Jeff Probst isn’t gonna snuff out some poor guy’s torch each week. All can survive; all are needed to eventually thrive.

    2. Hacking infrastructure: there are numerous cameras, powered doors, online records, etc., etc. that can be utilized during civil unrest, riots, and corrupt regimes. Use these to your advantage as in those times ethics and law enforcement will be in short supply.

    3. Drones and droids: building heavy lifting aerial drones is an easy and cheap venture with Arduino and Raspberry Pi micro-controllers. Most electronics are plug-and-play these days; programming for these electronics is already written and easy to re-purpose. Drones are ordnance-capable these days; even civilian-made. With plenty of drones, plenty of practice with them, and enough of your own arms is enough to fend off antagonists. The biggest concern is someone else hacking in. Encryption and other means can resist it. At the same time, 3D printers and homemade CNC’s also increases your chances of success.

    4. Off-Grid utilities: Everyone here (probably not the trolls) knows about this stuff. No need to go further. For homemade instructions; see my previous posts.

    5. Defense: the best and cheapest defensive measures are sandbag walls, sucrose potassium nitrate IED’s and smoke bombs, zip guns and gas pipe shotguns, kitchen knives, and trapping snares. Total cost is around $500. Go further with security glass, panic room, metal roofing, and anything else. The more neighboring homes you can involve in defense the better.

    6.Food and water storage, small livestock, hydroponics: We all should know about food storage by now (again, probably not the trolls). Small livestock such as rabbits, quails, tilapia, and so on can be raised indoors and their waste utilized for hydroponic gardening and/or CNG production. The more you can do behind walls – the more secure you are.

    7. Medical: Get this covered. Even if it’s a makeshift med center in one neighbor’s home. For routine stuff and minor surgeries; makeshift tools and herbal medicines are fine. If there’s special medications needed, then short-term solutions are not an option and you’ll need to learn pharmaceutical manufacturing.

    8. Children: Not just a plan to protect and train them; you’ll need a plan to have more. Attrition is the enemy to any survival plan. Our national birthrate is already too low due to multiple factors – supplementing via illegal immigration. You’ll need to plan ahead to secure your position for the long-term. And yes; this does require more traditional parenting roles. Would encourage no use of polygamy unless it’s a dire situation: inbreeding and incest becomes rampant in such cases.

  • Tatiana Covington

    That is some landscape!

  • Pete Okuhira

    Something is not right here. In the midst of persecutions against christians around the world, only the christians in America are fleeing to a safe haven in the Northwestern region? Why? So many christians around the world are working hard to share the gospels to the unbelievers, despite heavy persecutions and political differences, and yet, only christians in America are fleeing from the enemies and not standing for the LORD to reach out to the unsaved people to hear the gospels? Not even for the “liberals”? Whatever happened to the Great Commission that the LORD commanded us in Matthew 28? And have we not forgotten how king David prayed to the LORD to take courage in the midst of danger to stand for the LORD in Psalms 23:4? And most importantly, what about loving your enemies and praying for those who persecute you in Matthew 5:44? Are christians in America becoming cowards? Are they sacrificing the commands from the LORD through the Bible for the sake of liberty and freedom? The LORD didn’t guarantee us any freedom to worship. The disciples of early churches faced persecutions and martyrdom but yet, they continued to worshipped the LORD JESUS CHRIST. And today, christians around the world, especially in the 3rd world countries are actively sharing the gospels. So aren’t we as brothers and sisters in CHRIST supposed to be the light of the world and the salt of the earth for the unbelievers in the United States? (and why are we so worried about the economic collapse despite the fact that according to the scriptures that the LORD command us not to worry as HE commanded in Matthew 6:25-34? But instead, the majority of christians invested heavily in gold and silver?! I’d rather store my treasures in Heaven than on earth, just like the LORD has commanded us in Matthew 6:19-21) And one more thing to all the brothers and sisters in CHRIST who are “retreating” or should I say running away from the biblical commandments: “Whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it, but whoever loses his life for MY (the LORD’s) sake shall find it.” (Matthew 16:25)

    • iris

      So true, thank you so much!!!!!

  • DJohn1

    The thing is there are mountains there. And the Bible says to flee to the mountains. Some of this comes from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in about 70 A.D.
    The smart ones left before it happened. And fleeing to the mountains is defendable. The point being to get out before the catastrophe begins.
    If our enemies attack . . .
    Then a lot of densely populated places are likely targets. D.C. being one. New York City being one. San Francisco might be one. Even Seattle might be a target.
    The key here is are they on shipping lanes? D.C. is the head of it all.
    But places like Butt, Montana? No one has even heard of them.
    Yet with the abandoned mines and other things, these are perfect refuge camps in time of war.
    No one ever wins using a sledgehammer against a fly.
    Same goes for using atomic weapons against cities. The cities of course are destroyed with all their inhabitance. The place is ruined for the next 100 or so years.
    Retribution is obvious and certain to occur.
    What will happen? Those in remote areas will survive.
    Possibly they will be given a new Earth and a new Heaven as it says in the Bible. Meaning they will be taken to a safe place.
    The main thing is these people will be given a second chance.
    But the stench of evil from the cities? Not likely.
    It has happened before in the Bible itself with Lot.
    These areas in the Northwest? They are not likely targets.

  • belle

    Ya please dont check it out especially you libtard Californians or any libtards for that matter. Oregon doesnt want you , our state is full.

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  • WAKE UP SEE and HEAR THE TRUT

    Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom; Location: Knoxville, Tennessee, United States: Date: January 6, 2007 No national outcry or protests WHY

    WHY WHY??????

  • WELL WELL

    HMMMN
    The Irony is that white,culture, morals, and ethics is what made America great and full of opportunity!
    Like her cities as the demographics shift to less and less influences of White culture, the cites degrade and fall to financial and violent disarray! So too will America. If you the reader or anyone in The Government like this or think that its only right look to your cities for this will be the fate of America, financial, moral and physical decay!

    And it IS indisputable!

  • truthhertz

    HMMMN
    The Irony is that white,culture, morals, and ethics is what made America great and full of opportunity!
    Like
    her cities as the demographics shift to less and less influences of
    White culture, the cites degrade and fall to financial and violent
    disarray! So too will America. If you the reader or anyone in The
    Government like this or think that its only right look to your cities
    for this will be the fate of America, financial, moral and physical
    decay!

    And it IS indisputable!

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    WAKE UP SEE and HEAR THE TRUT

    13 minutes ago

    Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom; Location:
    Knoxville, Tennessee, United States: Date: January 6, 2007 No national
    outcry or protests WHY

    WHY WHY??????

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    Lucas Jackson

    9 days ago

    As whites dwindle in numbers and voice, they will feel the need to
    retreat to a place of traditional Americans, many will not see
    demographics as a motivator because they are not withdrawing from “other
    people” they are withdrawing from the cultures they create (when in
    numbers). At this very moment the Gov’t has this area targeted for
    change by importing refugees, If you look up the refugee location sites
    you will see.

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    iris

    Lucas Jackson

    8 days ago

    White cultures have and do include vastly different ideologies,
    religions, etc. Some of that has been helpful, some very evil. People
    are people, whether “red, yellow, black or white, all are precious in
    His sight”. Just perhaps, the first part of your comment wasn’t a
    thinly veiled racist remark, and to be fair, at least you did say that
    culture is created by humanity. But the last sentence you wrote, I agree
    with. Again however, refugees are precious to God, regardless of what
    they might do. Each person will answer to God in the end. Trust them,
    maybe not, love them, treat them fairly, share the gospel, for me,
    absolutely.

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    lucidone

    iris

    16 minutes ago

    People are people, whether “red, yellow, black or white, all are precious in His sight”
    . Not true!
    As
    a young child I saw my grandmother thrown to the ground for the money
    in her purse, I watched a young white school girl attacked in Wilmington
    Delaware 1974. she was stabbed and beaten, and I saw my mothers car
    stripped of its wheels in broad day light, all done by ni@@$rs. How is
    that for being racist. U need 2 wake up. there is an unseen war going
    on, and it is against white European culture.

  • MacBart

    Values, personal responsibility, and integrity. None of which the left can understand. God, faith and belief, they cant understand that either. Freedom and liberty. Not some social lthat you dont agree with, and are pointed and ridiculed for not thinking as the socialist propagandists want you to. Look around its no wonder there is so much strife. When all those ingredients are missing people who still actually have them want to find a place where they and others have respect. Respect for themselves, others, land, nature, and the Good Lord above.

  • Ma Mor

    Count me in!!! I can’t live in Dlorida anymore. I am definitely preparing to move there. It would be nice to make a big comunity of true Bible-believing christians just line the Waldenses lived in the Alps in the middle ages. I also feel an urgency wich I believe comes from God to move there. Perhaps the Lord is moving His faithful remnant to that place so wd can stand together against the final world-wide tyranny that approaches.

  • adamned

    If you choose to come here, leave your ways behind and adopt or assimilate into the already existing culture……we don’t care how you did it back home. “You’re not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy”!!!