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Human BrainIf you could merge your current mind and body with technology that would give you superhuman powers and would allow you to live forever, would you do it?  This is essentially what the transhumanism movement is seeking to accomplish.  Transhumanists envision a day when technology will allow humanity to become so advanced that sickness, disease, poverty and war will essentially be eradicated.  They believe that merging with machines will permit us to become trillions of times more intelligent than we are today, and they also believe that radical life extension technologies will make it possible for humanity to actually achieve immortality.  Many transhumanists are convinced that such a world can be achieved within their lifetimes.  They point to Moore’s Law and to the fact that technology already appears to be growing at an exponential rate.  As the technology curve continues to steepen, transhumanists believe that our world will rapidly become transformed into a place that would be unrecognizable to us today.  Just a few decades from now, transhumanists believe that superhuman powers and extremely advanced life extension technologies will allow them to essentially become like gods.

The key moment that most transhumanists are looking forward to is known as “the Singularity”.  That is the moment when artificial intelligence will actually surpass human intelligence and a massive technological chain reaction will be triggered.  At that time, most transhumanists believe that biological intelligence will merge with non-biological intelligence and humanity will become vastly more intelligent than it is today.  During this transition, society will be fundamentally transformed

After the Singularity occurs, it is predicted that vast changes will sweep through society; changes so drastic that they are nearly inconceivable at the present time. Experts in the movement say that after the Singularity, indefinite human life extension will rapidly become the norm. Many scientists working in this field are particularly interested in the concept of achieving immortality.

To most people, the idea of achieving immortality in our decaying physical bodies would sound absolutely ridiculous.

But transhumanists are very serious about this.

One way they are seeking to accomplish this is by searching for a method that will enable them to store the human mind on a computer.  If your entire consciousness could be “uploaded” into a computer, it could conceivably later be downloaded into a futuristic avatar of some sort once that technology has been developed.

But that is not the only life extension technology that transhumanists are working on.  Some other examples include embedding nanobots in our bodies and brains and eliminating diseases through the process of “genetic reprogramming”…

Other futurists and transhumanists are working toward improving longevity through more biological means, such as growing new organs from stems cells, replacing worn out parts of the body with high-tech updated models, and curing diseases through genetic reprogramming. A third method of achieving a transhuman state of being may come through merging the biological and non biological in equal measure, such as embedding nano robots into the bloodstream and brain; and replacing atoms with nano computers to solve the degeneration that comes with aging.

According to transhumanists, not only will we be able to live much longer, but our quality of life will also be so much better in the future.  The following is how one transhumanist envisions what life will be like in the 2050s

Robots have become an important family acquisition. Ability to replicate self-assembling robot parts in nanofactories, make these machines easily available and affordable. By 2050, technologies advancing at “Moore’s Law” speeds have produced an android-like creature nearly indiscernible from a human.

Programmed with Internet-downloaded software, 2050s household robots cater to our every whim. They also manage the nanorobots that whiz through our veins keeping us healthy 24/7, and monitor our safety when we connect to simulation events that whisk us away in a Star Trek Holodeck-like adventure.

That sounds wonderful doesn’t it?

But how will we earn the money to pay for all of those things?

If robots are so advanced at that point, why would companies even need human workers?

Or will we have to “enhance” ourselves with technology just to be useful in the workforce?

In a recent article by Andrew Smart, he suggests that these “enhancements” could just turn us into “better slaves”…

Could it be that we’ve been tricked into pouring our innovative energy into making ourselves better slaves? If the digital elite achieves its dream of a perfect union with machines, what becomes of the rest of us who either can’t afford cyborgification or who actually enjoy life as a regular human being? Would one Singularitized human be expected to handle the workload of 100 unenhanced workers? Robots will have of course taken the rest of the jobs.

In fact, robots are already taking our jobs at a staggering pace.  This is even happening in low wage countries such as China

Chinese company Hon Hai, the world’s largest contract electronics manufacturer, has announced it intends to build a robot-making factory and replace 500,000 workers with robots over the next three years.

But transhumanists are not really concerned with such matters.  They insist that we will become so intelligent that we will easily figure out the solutions to such social issues.

Yes, most transhumanists concede that there will be bumps on the road to utopia, but they argue that it would be foolish not to “take control of our own evolution”.  They believe that we can use science and technology to guide the evolution of society and that this will create a far better world than we have today.  The following is what one participant stated at a recent conference about transhumanism and religion

Transhumanism is a thrust toward transcendence. It is not classical mysticism but seeks a temporal transcendence The driving force behind this is evolution…

What is reality? Reality is evolution. It has a direction from the simple to the complex; the most complex [outcome] is intelligence. Thus evolution is aimed at intelligence.

We should thus have a will to evolve. We have a moral responsibility to increase evolution and do so by continually striving to expand our abilities throughout life by acting in harmony with the evolutionary process…

Science and technology move us toward Utopia. One of the most exciting things about transhumanism is that all will be fixed.

That all sounds so alluring.

After all, who wouldn’t want to live in a “utopia” where everything that is currently wrong with our planet has been “fixed”?

But transhumanists don’t just stop there.  They believe that eventually we will possess such superhuman powers and will enjoy such radical life extension technologies that we will essentially be like God.

The most famous transhumanist on the globe, Ray Kurzweil, takes 150 vitamin supplements a day in an attempt to extend his life until more advanced life extension technologies can be developed.  In chapter 7 of “The Singularity Is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology”, he expresses his belief that evolution and technology are systematically moving us in the direction of becoming more like God…

“Evolution moves toward greater complexity, greater elegance, greater knowledge, greater intelligence, greater beauty, greater creativity, and greater levels of subtle attributes such as love. In every monotheistic tradition God is likewise described as all of these qualities, only without any limitation: infinite knowledge, infinite intelligence, infinite beauty, infinite creativity, infinite love, and so on. Of course, even the accelerating growth of evolution never achieves an infinite level, but as it explodes exponentially it certainly moves rapidly in that direction. So evolution moves inexorably toward this conception of God, although never quite reaching this ideal. We can regard, therefore, the freeing of our thinking from the severe limitations of its biological form to be an essentially spiritual undertaking.”

Transhumanist Mark Pesce is even more extreme.  He openly states that he believes that transhumanism will allow us “to become as gods”

“Men die, planets die, even stars die. We know all this. Because we know it, we seek something more—a transcendence of transience, translation to incorruptible form. An escape if you will, a stop to the wheel. We seek, therefore, to bless ourselves with perfect knowledge and perfect will; To become as gods, take the universe in hand, and transform it in our image—for our own delight. As it is on Earth, so it shall be in the heavens. The inevitable result of incredible improbability, the arrow of evolution is lipping us into the transhuman – an apotheosis to reason, salvation – attained by good works.”

And what transhumanist Dr. Richard Seed has to say about all of this is quite frightening.  He warns of “warfare” if anyone tries to prevent him from becoming a god…

If you want to get an idea of where transhumanists want to take us, just check out the YouTube video posted below.  It was produced by “the 2045 Initiative”, and as you can see, they believe that the world will be infinitely superior in the year 2045 than it is today

So what do you think about all of this?

Please feel free to share your thoughts by posting a comment below…

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  • K

    When they download your brain, can they filter out greed, lust,etc? Just seeing how twisted some people can become in a few decades. I do not even want to think what they would become in 500 years. No I will pass on any of this nonsense. Those who try to become God, usually end up becoming much more like Satan.

    • MichaelfromTheEconomicCollapse

      Very good points K.

      Michael

    • patrick varencaus

      No,thats in the heart,For wath comes out of the mouth comes from the aboundance of the heart

    • Sally Fields

      Not usually, K, always…this is exactly what happened with Lucifer.

    • watchmanonthetower

      Wasn’t this Satan’s goal right from the beginning? He wanted to be on the same level with his Creator; to BE the Creator…he tempted A & E with ‘The Knowledge’ and he’s been at it ever since.

      The ‘gift’ of immoral immortality from the hand of The Enemy to the children he desires to rule; children that are not his. Trans-human technology to replace the immortality offered by God thru His Son.

      We expected it; and here it is: tech available soon from your government-controlled physician system for ‘our safety and convenience.’

      Everything appears to be unfolding as planned. Fear not, tho…it all ends well.

      Prepare…or perish.

      ~Watchman

      • Winston

        You and I both know God won’t allow this. Satan is behind transhumanism. Same lie from Garde of Eden. “You can be as God.” Time is short. Prepare.

        • watchmanonthetower

          To be honest, we really don’t know for sure what God would allow or not.

          Clever and responsible parents, in an effort to ‘let children teach themselves’ by experiencing the negative consequences of their own actions (within reason, obviously) will allow them to ‘get burned’, to turn a phrase.

          “With a little pain, wisdom a child may gain,” I’ve heard it said. God may indeed allow this to occur, if only briefly, to serve His needs and further his Plan.

          Our point, I suppose, is that it’s rarely a good notion to second-guess God.

          Anyway, thanks for your reply; we appreciate the discourse.

          ~W

          • Michael Fairchild

            “Our point, I suppose, is that it’s rarely a good notion to second-guess God.”

            Doesn’t matter what you think about, God does not have a plan for us.

          • HankReardon77

            and we know God’s first guess?

        • Michael Fairchild

          “God won’t allow this.”

          So does that mean free will is a myth?

          • haydenma

            Read the story of the Tower of Babel.

            Genesis 11 1-9

        • sonofjay817

          I read Kurzeil’s book “The Singularity” and was quite fascinated by it. I eventually threw it away as I slowly began to feel like his message is ultimately satanic. I must say, after reading it, it seems tenable that man could eventually become almost godlike looking at the “map” Kurzweil has laid out…that is, save for the restraining hand of God. He proved at the tower of Babel that man can, indeed, achieve incredible things left to his own devices, but He also showed He will smack us back down to earth and slow our advancement when we go beyond what suits His will.

          I agree with you. Kurzweil does echo pretty much exactly Satan claim for man’s potential in Genesis.

          • Conservative American Voter

            Wow, ditto on my read of Kurzweil’s book too.

            I was all excited about reading it when it first came out, but by the end of the book, I was just thinking the same thing as you did about it.

            I wasn’t even a Christian then, just agnostic.

          • Gay Veteran

            the tower of Babel is a myth

          • sonofjay817

            Hi. As alluring as the thought is of never growing old, always being vibrant, healthy, and fit is, God says that the old order of things must pass away. All that remains a part of it will see destruction. My natural man is of this old order. In order to be a part of the new order that is reconciled back to God I must pass through death; my body through natural death, and my soul through being crucified with Christ where my spirit was made alive and I was raised to newness of life with Christ in His resurrection. You can have the real eternal life. Don’t except the enemy of your soul’s counterfeit.

          • Gay Veteran

            oooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

          • Frankie “da scarf”

            We’ll see…we’ll see….

          • krinks

            Linguists have proven otherwise there sport. All known languages have evolved from the exact spot of the Tower of Babel.

          • Randome-11

            The satanism is in you. You are projecting your own doubts on transhumanism.

            Your believe that “God” (reverse of Dog) is a failible being, that will be bested by humans if only humans are allowed to.
            Christian faith is the other way around, omnipotence and omniscience, not beatable by its own creations.
            I for one know that humans are nowhere close to that, nowhere close to creating a planet, even less a whole universe in 7 days. Not close and not even far in fact.

        • Randome-11

          The satanism is in you, thought. You are just projecting your own lack of faith on transhumanism.

          Your belief is that “God” (reverse of Dog) is a failible being, that will be bested by humans if only humans are allowed to.

          Christian faith is the other way around, omnipotence and omniscience.
          No genetic technology to make Adam and Eve, just for a starter.

          I for one know that humans are nowhere close to that, nowhere close (or even far) to creating a planet, even less a whole universe in less than 7 days.

      • Randome-11

        Actually, if you had any brain, you would know that transhumanism is not even close to making the entire world in just 7 days.
        The “immortality” in question won´t do much good when shot in the face with a tactical nuclear warhead.

        No Power of God, not by a long shot. Not only do you lack any brain, you also are either seriously ignorant of your own faith or not having any at all to make such a statement.

        • watchmanonthetower

          Randome;

          Your rambling and incoherent reply leaves us wondering whether you actually meant to respond to us.

          Twice referring to a ‘lack of brain’, along with a penchant for pasting repeated comments casts you in a less-than-credible light. You know the word that comes to mind; there is little doubt you’ve been labeled with it in the past.

          Please, by all means, share your opinions with us, but mean-spirited aggresion is a waste of our time and reduces you to the level of a vermin-like pest…not a worthy effort in any estimation.

          If your goal was to rouse us to rage; you have failed. We suspect you are more than familiar with that particular aspect.

          ~W

    • Winston

      We won’t be around 500 years from now. I’d be surprised at another 10 years.

      • Frankie “da scarf”

        If we’re still here in 10 years and the libs are still in control, well…it’s gonna be pretty miserable in our old age.

        • RalphEllison

          Sigh. Please, can you Teahadists stop inserting politics into EVERYTHING??

          • Frankie “da scarf”

            Everything IS politics….and not by ‘our’ CHOICE either. We all have better things to do.

    • Mike Brafford

      I think the first thing a self aware AI will do is nuke Washington. Looking at the NSA and the attacks on freedom the computer will logically find that is the source of its greatest threat.

    • maxonepercent

      What happens when the “downloaded” brain becomes corrupt?

      • HankReardon77

        reboot.

      • mscientist

        I’m pretty sure Symantec is working on the backup software for that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Frano/100003338245557 Robert Frano

      Re: “…Those who try to become God, usually end up becoming much more like Satan.” {K}

      It is NOT guaranteed that an effort to change humans into Deities will fail, but…the hominid-track record on these concepts is NOT…
      Encouraging!

    • Edward Starr

      Amen K

  • Steve G

    So idealistic, so unrealistic. The one thing they don’t deal with is the depravity of humanity. Power corrupts – it is never enough. Violence, selfishness, greed – humanity does horrible things to itself. So much potential. So much lost potential.

    • webding

      as we were in Noah’s day maybe??

      • Verbotene Gedanken

        The more things change…

      • Nys Parkie

        But he was righteous and even walked with God. I don’t see many around fitting the first so the second is out of the question.

  • DJohn1

    These people are not that far from achieving their goals.
    When the British cloned a sheep Dorothy, the clone aged prematurely to the same age as its mother. Then it slowed down to normal aging.

    The secret of aging was out. They found data strings in the cell that gradually disappear as we age.
    Cancer cells do not age. The data strands are reproduced exactly from generation to generation of cells. That is how we morph from young human beings to old human beings in just 70 years.
    Change that data strand disappearing at puberty and people just might live extremely long lives.
    The problem is reversing the process. Because once the data is lost it is not reversable by any means we know. Ideally it would take a copy of the person’s cells at a younger age. Then stop the process.
    If we had a blood sample from 40 years ago, it might just reverse the process temporarily. But that is guessing. The trick would be to re-establish the younger cells gradually into the body as dominate.

    What the ancient gods feared most was that humanity would gain the knowledge to extend life indefinitely. “Gods” is the wrong word. Trouble is I do not know what they were. Angels? Sons of God? No one knows. We do have records of children between them and us. We being short lived mortals. They were known as immortals.

    Many comments in the Bible express conversations between superior creatures to us. Babel is one such incident. They confused mankind with changes in language all over the planet.
    They flooded the planet to eliminate the hybrids? That sound familiar? Well it should. Noah was a throwback to Adam only without the long lifespans. At least that is what I think happened.
    So the dangerous question is Where are they? Will they do something like this to restrict us again?

    Will we meet with these “gods” when we accomplish immortality on this planet? If so will history repeat itself?
    In pre-historic India, there are documents claiming a limited immortality for the people trained to lead them. The medical people of the time used a poison at puberty on the potential leaders. This poison came from a coral plant supposedly. It caused the people to go into a high fever. A week or two later the survivors stopped the aging process. If they got the dose wrong they died. These leaders supposedly lived extremely long lives. They talk of 30,000 years.

    All of this must be taken with a bit of cynical judgment.

    If it is true, then at one time there were a small group of people that no longer aged. It doesn’t make them immortal because there are many fatal things that can happen to anyone on this planet.
    The key here is if it is true, they started out as human beings.
    So immortal people having relations with mortals? It would explain a lot.
    If these people succeed, then the entire planet is in danger.

  • Tatiana Covington

    Full speed ahead! I read Ettinger’s “The Prospect of Immortality” back in 1965, when I was 18, and am now signed up to be frozen, should that be needed. I’ve also been doing my best to stop aging.

    So yes, that is exactly what I am aiming at: to become immortal and superhuman.

    • DJohn1

      One key to aging is the DHEA factor. The endoctrinal glands quit working as we age from about 30 to 50. By then, at age 50, most people’s endoctrinal glands have failed.
      Using a German Shepherd, one aging research group replaced the DHEA that is produced in the master gland and the dog regained its youth. It went from old age to middle age and stayed there.
      The trouble was arthritis. By age 19, the dog was in extreme pain from an arthritic condition. So they terminated the dog and the experiment. The dog had an extra 9 years of life. At 9 it was beginning to fail. By 12-13, the dog would have died. They were injecting the substitute DHEA from other dogs.
      I personally think the substitute for wheat that has double the chromosomes of the original has something to do with our premature aging. I think it actually causes many diseases. Type II specifically is related to diet.

    • Verbotene Gedanken

      To what end?

    • TheJeebus

      You may become immortal physiologically, but eventually you’ll encounter a lethal accident. That’s inevitable, statistically speaking.

    • Sally Fields

      For what purpose? To what end? Why do you feel the need to live forever? Is this ego-related or what?

      • mscientist

        Maybe some of us actually enjoy life and do not want it to end. Does it really need to be any more complicated than that?

    • truthm0ng3r

      you are already immortal – its just a question of where you are going to spend your time

  • Geezer

    As I see This it will have something to do with the mark of the beast technology. In the book of revelations 9:6 it talks about the people who take the mark of the beast and then want to die but will not be able to die.

    • Winston

      No hope for those that take the mark.

    • Michael Fairchild

      So what of Satan? What of God? Are they not alive? So according to you, they are immortal? So are they living a cursed life, unable to die? What if they too chose death?

      • Conservative American Voter

        God prepared a place for Satan and the angels, and the deceived humans that follow him in rebellion.

        God, Eternally Righteous and Eternally Just, Eternally Holy, exists out of Time and Creation.

        All things are new in God.

        Evil cannot remain in the presence of the Most High Holy God, and His Son will Judge.

        • Thy Rodent

          If his son is him, and he is his son and the spook is all three… which of the three personalities created evil? I think Jesus is the good cop and god is the Bad cop and the holy Ghost is Joe Pesci

          • Conservative American Voter

            Read the Athanasian Creed. You can google it…and try not to blaspheme so much next time.

            Have a great day.

          • haydenma

            Jesus died for folks just like you, who think they know it all, and reject the existence of the Trinity, and of a need to be rescued from your self. God is good.

      • mscientist

        And perhaps the more important question….How would we know?

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  • Liam Armstrong

    there can only be one god…

    those who attempt to become god fin them selves lost, grieving in their own madness,,,

    does this sound correct or is it a little….off :)

    • patrick varencaus

      sounds correct to me !

    • Thy Rodent

      Sounds like a line from the Highlander – do I get to sword fight Jesus… sounds like fun

      • haydenma

        Good luck with that.

  • BigAl D

    Tower of Babel anyone?

    • frankz00

      Indeed!

  • Raven

    No thanks, I’m quite happy being just human as I was meant to be Do not even want to imagine a world evil as it is now,enhanced into a world of narcissistic tyrannical self deluded mini gods.

    • Cooperwa

      Thank you. There is no way I would want to a longer than normal life. This world feels more like hell every day.

    • Veteran

      That is how it was in Noah’s day and why God distroyed the world. It is said in the Bible that the last days will be like the days of Noah…oh we are there folks, just a matter of how long God will put off the end of days.

      • Winston

        Look for peace treaty with Israel then start the 7 year clock.

        • Jim Davis

          Hal Lindsey said this was going to happen after the Begin-Sadat treaty in the 70s. The Late Great Planet Earth. Still waiting…

    • Don Miller

      “Narcissistic tyrannical self deluded mini gods” … Why must the conversation always turn to Barack Obama?

      • mscientist

        Now THAT’s funny….and all too true.

      • RalphEllison

        It was just a matter of time until a psycho Teahadist conservative nuke the comments section by – yet again – inserting the President into a conversation totally unrelated to politics.

        I’m sorry he beat you guys – twice.

        • Don Miller

          It was just a matter of time until a psycho communist/homosexual/union member nuked the comment section by inserting his irrational defense of the indefensible and throwing a temper tantrum when someone dares to point out that his inept Kenya messiah is destroying this country on a daily basis. Yes, Americans very much regret that he won two times.

          • RalphEllison

            Hurts doesn’t it – that he got you twice? And, that you are about to lose AGAIN to Hillary.

            Demographics are not in your favor. The old people who support any silly Teahadist conservative are dying off in droves every day. The 1/2 of Baby Boomers who do the same are starting to die off. The half of my generation (Gen X) that supported conservatives are OVERWHELMED by the progressive Gen X half and the massive numbers of Millenials, who are mostly progressives.

            Conservatism dies a little every day with the old folks . . . .

          • Don Miller

            Demographics? That makes it right? You’re boasting about the fact that Obama won because 92 million Americans are now out of the workforce thanks to his complete ineptitude as a president and have become dependent on entitlements such as food stamps, Section 8 housing, Medicaid, Obama Phones and other welfare programs? You’re also boasting that the Generation X and Millennial voters are more likely to reject morality, ethics and religion as they embrace the Hollywood and liberal values of narcissism, self-indulgence, debauchery and personal pleasure at any price? Wow, a dirtbag you are.

          • RalphEllison

            It hurts, doesn’t it?

          • Don Miller

            It hurts to see immoral idiots and welfare queens dominate the elections and bring this country down? I guess if you hate America and want to see this country destroyed, then Barack Obama would be your dream president. That’s all I need to know about you.

          • RalphEllison

            So, the “welfare queens” (a lie perpetrated by the astrology-worshiping President Reagan) are the reason President Obama was re-elected? There’s enough folks on welfare to do that? LOL – ok.

            And the rejecters of morality were the Baby Boomers, which is why we have the present moral crisis that we have in America.

            You need to wake up and realize that conservative economic policies since 1981, and conservative geopolitical policies in the Bush Administration are DIRECTLY the genesis of America’s current problems. (I will blame so-called liberal baby Boomers for the moral problems outside of being mean to poor people, which conservatives love to do).

            Conservative policies have been the ascendent policies over the last 30 or so years – wake up.

          • Don Miller

            “Being mean to poor people?” The liberal Democrats, Lyndon Johnson and now Barack Obama, have given us a massive welfare state, but somehow that’s the fault of Reagan and Bush who encouraged people to find jobs instead of being dependent on big government? Conservative policies like asking Americans not to have children out of wedlock, not to kick God out of the public arena, not to drop out of school, not to spend generations on the welfare dole, not to spend money you don’t have, and not to cheapen marriage with easy divorce, and have harmed this country and its values?
            And the gimme-gimme-gimme welfare block didn’t vote for Obama to continue getting their freebies paid for by taxpayers, generation after generation? Oh really? It’s just a coincidence that Obama got nearly 100-percent of the votes in public housing areas around the country?
            You’re absolutely out of you mind and I’m not wasting any more of my time with a Third String liberal who has no grasp of reality.

          • RalphEllison

            In all honesty, Don – you are completely clueless about facts and history, and live in a bubble.

            You are why conservatism is – thankfully – dying.

          • Don Miller

            You — of all people — are lecturing ME on history? Now that’s funny! I’ve read some of your other posts and you’re the last person who should be judging anyone about historical accuracy or current events. Tell us again how it was George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, not Barack Hussein Obama or Lyndon Johnson, who are responsible for the massive welfare state and entitlement mentality beginning with Johnson’s so-called “War on Poverty,” which Obama praised just a few weeks ago. There’s nothing funnier on these boards than an arrogant know-nothing like you who pretends to be an expert on everything. I guess you enjoy being laughed at?

  • Johnrambo1

    You little people will never be allowed to have access to this technology. You little people will be phased out.

  • Angermgmt101

    Who the hell would want to live forever in some wrinkly old nasty worn down body? Plus what if you change your mind?

    • TheJeebus

      I think the idea here is that your body won’t get old and worn down.

  • Paul

    Perhaps GOD will have something to “say” about the whole matter!

    • Nys Parkie

      9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

      11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
      to receive glory and honor and power,
      for you created all things,
      and by your will they were created
      and have their being.”

      • Veteran

        thank you for fearlessly proclaiming your faith !!!

      • Thy Rodent

        God created parasites, pathogens, and predators for his own pleasure. He likes to watch things suffer.

        • Michael Fairchild

          Life wouldn’t be life without the fight for survival. God has no connection to death and disease.

        • Nys Parkie

          Those things got nasty after the “Fall”, One can thank Adam and Eve for Nastiness and Suffering. Go read and learn.

          • Jon

            Jesus! (no pun intended) SO many babyboomer christians in here. Government changed the Bible so much, especially in the 1500s, that you’re practically worshipping THEM!

          • Nys Parkie

            The Bible, Old Testament, is from Jewish scrolls much older than the 1500’s. The New Testament, especially Mark, Matthew, John and Paul, were all written in the First Century after the Crucifixion. John, who was a original Apostle, wrote Revelations while he was still alive. Don’t know where your “Facts” come from. Possibly the Anti-Christ?

    • TestSalad

      Yawn. Prove she exists first.

      • Moment

        The JEW

        • Sangria Singh

          Throw ze jew down the well, so my country can be free.~

          • Moment

            Jesus says it will never happen –

      • micaiah

        Prove HE doesn’t … what can be known about God is PLAIN

        • TestSalad

          Pretty sure it’s a she. Prove me wrong.

          • JustSayin

            The “Our Father”…

          • TestSalad

            She identifies as a man.

          • Sangria Singh

            Excuse me, but I don’t appreciate your insistence on using binary gender terminology, as God is actually a trans-man, pan/poly queerfemme, but male identifying. Thank you.

          • TestSalad

            Cis!

          • Sangria Singh

            That’s better! Sheesh. We’re going to need Sex/gender monitoring staff on all forums. Better get more kids to major in women’s studies and LGBTQ studies.

        • Winston

          There are those deluded that think everything came from nothing. The evidence is before them.

          • haydenma

            Talking to Athiests or Agnostics is usually an effort in futility, but here goes. God created man in his image, and everything in His word refers to Him as a “He”. However, God contains the qualities of woman as well as man. Man was first, woman came out of man, but all our human qualities, both genders come from God, so He is respectfully referred to as a He, but (not saying He is a woman) but he holds the properties of a woman within Himself. I know its hard to keep up, as you’re basically a blind man, but if you want the truth, ask God to reveal it to you, with sincerity.

    • Michael Fairchild

      Never

  • Verbotene Gedanken

    “Transhumanists: Superhuman Powers And Life Extension Technologies Will Allow Us To Become Like God”

    And this doesn’t scare the F*&^ out of you? Imperfect beings with infinite powers?

    You think Uncle Sam is problem *now*?

    • Michael Fairchild

      What makes you so sure God was perfect or had infinite power?

      “Imperfect beings with infinite powers?”

      We already have the capability to sterilize this planet, why don’t we get it over with?

      • Verbotene Gedanken

        Nothing. I’m Buddhist. The whole Deity thing escapes me.

        That said, ignorant (religiously speaking) men can become quite dangerous to one another even in the very short time they have with a normal lifespan. Increasing it will almost certainly make them even more dangerous. Add the ability to access all known information effortlessly and process it… well… it just seems like a really, really bad idea to me… A Monkey with a Handgun, if you will.

        Besides, death isn’t the end of anything, it’s just another change…

        • Conservative American Voter

          A “Monkey with a Handgun” isn’t so bad, but give him a loaded handgun and a bottle of his favorite hooch, and you’ve got some real problems!

  • Nys Parkie

    Well, I guess to pay for your God like fanny, you can keep on working 8 or more hours a day 5 or more days a week. One other thought. Don’t have anymore babies…..there won’t be room to stoop to take a crap.

  • Vyvyan Basterd

    I will live forever as an immortal cyborg who attacks planets to steal their energy. You can’t stop me.

    • http://www.efukt.com T3H_TURD_BURGLAR

      You can be Megatron!

      • Thy Rodent

        I think he was going for Galactus

  • frankz00

    AS IF they’re not going to pick and choose who gets this “live forever” technology and AS IF they won’t put a kill switch in for the underlings. Who would want to stay on this rock forever anyway? When it’s my time, set me free!

    • Sally Fields

      I beleive this is where the ‘death panels’ come into play!

  • RagsOnYouSchwags

    lol, hilarious. the hubris, the ignorance of human nature, the bluster. electro-mechanical parts and systems still break down at some point, or can made non-functional by violent and non-violent means. nothing lasts forever, and how pathetic a person are you, how wasteful of your life are you, that you would want to in the first place? party on dudes, that’s some good sauce you’re smoking.

  • SpecialAgent

    Ever see the movie “Zardoz”?

  • SpecialAgent

    Scientists have already discovered the “aging” gene so its a matter of time before its reversed. Did you know that baby mice blood transfused into mice reverses the effects of aging?

  • RichP

    Where’s my flying car?

    • AnnArborMI

      Just drive fast on a mountain road. You’ll find it.

      • Jim Davis

        Or bolt a JATO to your vehicle.

    • http://www.squarespool.com Craig

      You’ll need your silver-colored suit first…

    • Thy Rodent

      they exist, but you need a pilots license. They will be common as soon as you aren’t needed to fly them.

  • Sagesteve

    Yeah, right. A bunch of Sheldon’s!!

  • u.r.tripping

    Great… endless years of morons and sheeple.

    • Blandly Urbane

      Won’t be any “dead” people voting I guess.

  • Sally Fields

    Oh, you silly, silly humans…do you really think that GOD HIMSELF would actually allow you to get anywhere close to as powerful as He is? What folly you partake in!!!!

    • ScotFree

      Sally,
      I doubt God is concerned that such flawed beings as ourselves could ever become omnipotent, but i get your point.

      The hubris of the human being is astonishing. Its almost as silly as believing that God created the vastness of everything just for tiny old us, or that we evolved from amoebas.

      • Michael Fairchild

        ” Its almost as silly as believing that God created the vastness of
        everything just for tiny old us, or that we evolved from amoebas.”

        May seem silly, but the fact is we don’t know yet.

        • ScotFree

          May seem silly, but thats why i chose the word believe instead of know, ya know?

      • Conservative American Voter

        God loves each of us as if there were only one of us in all Creation to love.

        St. Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    • Michael Fairchild

      “do you really think that GOD HIMSELF would actually allow you to get
      anywhere close to as powerful as He is? What folly you partake in!!!!”

      Servants like you will never accomplish anything

    • Thy Rodent

      God’s voting record on the subject seems to vary based on who is reporting the polling numbers.

    • mscientist

      You religious types would probably advance your argument further if you weren’t so cotton-picking condescending. silly humans indeed!

      • Conservative American Voter

        The same could be said for many “scientists”…especially those that have made a religion of science.

        • mscientist

          Fair enough. I’m certain, however that you were not referring to me :)

          • Conservative American Voter

            Of course not! ;)

        • Gay Veteran

          science is self-correcting, religion isn’t

          • Conservative American Voter

            Yeah…not so much…

          • Gay Veteran

            haven’t studied the history of science much, eh

          • Conservative American Voter

            Actually, I have rather extensively.

          • Gay Veteran

            then you SHOULD know that mistakes (either unintentional or intentional) are found out and corrected

          • Conservative American Voter

            Usually takes quite a while to overcome popular sentiments. People, yes even scientists, get stuck on stupid.

  • Blandly Urbane

    “….Will Allow Us To Become Like God” Um, no it won’t

  • Tex Taylor

    Why is it these people selling this baloney always look crazed themselves? LOL Don’t answer. That’s a rhetorical question. Personally, I’m glad it’s the stooges that want to go first – Darwin Award winners one and all.

    Who would want to reattach that head or download anything to that face, I don’t care if the mechanical body looks like Schwarzenegger?

  • Christopher

    How awesome! We get to die and rot in the ground, having convinced ourselves that a structured computer algorithm will communicate, have access to, and process data and make important decisions just like we would have, and will be forever immune to power grid and other system failures, data corruption, over-writing, computer viruses, hacking, malware, identity theft, etc., and will survive all software and hardware upgrades and replacements with no drift in personality, disposition, proclivities, opinions, etc. And that said copy will be considered so, so valuable that it will forever be maintained. Unfortunately for those who think this way, it is appointed once for man to die, and then the Judgment, whether there exists a back-up copy digital counterfeit of you, or not.

  • Camera3

    Who wants to live forever in a freak world communist police state?

  • Dewreck

    So the vision of autistic megalomaniacs will come to fruition?….this will lead to centuries of warfare like this world has never seen, we will be lucky to survive ourselves.

    • JD101

      i think you mean psychopathic megalomaniacs

  • SpecialAgent

    What he is saying is partly true. Now that the genes that control aging are discovered -drugs and treatments are under development to reverse the effects of aging and alzheimers. Human life will be extended considerably but he nano-robots downloading from the internet in 40 years is a lot of speculation. The internet will probably go the way of the land line phone in 40 years.

    • John D. Wright

      Especially if congress bows to corporations and ends net neutrality.

  • Nick Rausch

    With all the problems like corruption, pollution, Fukushima, and evil oligarchies just to name a few, who would want to live out their immortality on this planet?

  • Lucifer Morningstar

    And then sky-net wakes up and decides that it can do without all these pesky people. ;)

  • Bill Freeman

    Sign me up!

  • BadWhisky

    Tithonus…
    The woods decay, the woods decay and fall,
    The vapours weep their burthen to the ground,
    Man comes and tills the field and lies beneath,
    And after many a summer dies the swan.
    Me only cruel immortality
    Consumes; I wither slowly in thine arms.

  • Texas Marty

    Here’s a quick question…what happens to human reproduction when all this occurs? Oh, I know! Those in charge decide who lives, who dies and who reproduces — and who DON’T!!

    No thanks! This concept originated straight from hell!

  • Jeff

    Hebrews 9:27

    27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    If God sets an appointment….he will keep it!

    • Thy Rodent

      it’s easy to keep an appointment with no date penciled in.

  • poppyw

    Ego’s gone wild! He’s going to become a god? One day, this poor fellow is going to stand before the White Throne of King Jesus, almighty God. He’ll see what the one true God is really like and he’ll probably pee in his britches. For this is the Throne of judgment. Ordinarily, at this point I would try to tell this man how he can escape or be saved from this moment, but in this arrogant man’s case, it would be like casting pearls before swine.

  • Glenn P.

    We are the Borg; resistance is futile.

  • Doltsbane

    When a “transhumanist” can actually explain how 3 pounds of what amounts to bloody jello produces a human mind I will give some credence to their predictions. Until then, the idea that a mind can be manipulated or even interacted with directly is just nonsense.

  • Veteran

    “it is given to men/women once to die and then the Judgement” where we stand before God and give an accounting of our lives and to see if we merit Heaven, hint we don’t , that is why Jesus, God in human flesh, came lived died on the cross and rose from the dead so that all thiose who recieve Him can live forever in Heaven or you can ignor this and try to convince God you are equal to Him and therefore should be let in Heaven, NOT.

  • AnnArborMI

    Judging from the rhetoric we hear, many could easily record their mind on a tape recorder.

    • piccadillybabe

      Good one!

    • Mike Boatman

      In the case of Harry Reid, a sticky note pad

      • mscientist

        True, but does he really need the whole pad? Let’s not be wasteful.

        • Conservative American Voter

          A single sheet…

  • rfrey1967

    Not for me an extra few years maybe but that is not a life i want to live. Now i am thinking i may throw my computer out the window.

  • Moment

    What were they doing in the days of Noah ?? Making Great Warriors ” Super Soldiers ”

    The lord says the end days will be like those days — are we there yet ??

  • adrian961 .

    Often wondered about the verse in Revelation 9:6 regarding those that will seek death in the time of the end but death will flee from them….transhumanist immortality?

    • Moment

      I always say they will be like zombies and that’s why they promote zombies so much but you may be on to something

  • AnnArborMI

    I do not need to become God, nor do I need to think I am God. I am OK being second fiddle.

  • Moment

    5 “God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it,

    and you will be like God,

    knowing both good and evil.”

    IS THE DEVIL SPEAKING AGAIN

  • laughterjones

    To live is Christ, to die is gain. We are but a breath on the wind, don’t waste it on selfishness.

  • ronald bolton

    The liberals are making the thought of mortality much easier to stomach.

  • ocean

    Democrats are Australopithecines.

  • PAP

    With the sin nature intact, they will only succeed in making a more clever devil.

  • Boogex

    Wishful thinking. People have been saying stuff like this for hundreds of years, and we’re still waiting. Just look at what a futuristic wonderland the people of the early 1900s were dreaming for the year 2000. Stop dreaming and start living.

    • maxonepercent

      I totally agree, it seems like the only future predictions that are ever accurate are the negative ones like 1984.

    • mscientist

      You disprove your own point. People in the early 1900s could not have even conceived of the world we live in today. To them, this is most certainly a futuristic wonderland.

      Should then we stop dreaming?

  • CreepyAvatar

    So, how long do you think God will put up with this?

    • Moment

      I think satan is pushing his luck

    • NHBill603

      You still believe in God?
      I thought he went with Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.
      Oh well some people really are like Peter Pan.

      • oldspeak

        Who told you that? Al Gore? It takes an incredibly insecure and small person to mock and belittle another’s beliefs. Especially when your argument against it is “Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.”

        • Thy Rodent

          only insecure if you do it to validate your own self worth. if you do it out of disgust for what they are doing to humanity that just makes you an a-hole with no empathy

    • Michael Fairchild

      God does not interfere.

  • James Vaughan

    The most pathetic pack of idiots I have ever heard of. This is just the modern version of the Roman emperors’ desire to “be a god”.

  • Sgtdisrespected

    I’ve believed in the basics of transhumanism since I was a young teen. It’s not any scarier than non existance which is the probable outcome for each and every one of us absent a sentient creator which is the likely reality in this universe. As for “slavery” I can’t imagine a slavery greater than being subject to the whims of an all powerful sentient creator. As for the supposed “scariness” of god analogies I’d imagine the Greeks and Romans of 2000 years ago would regard many of our current capabilities as godlike. Should we revert to the capabilities of 100 BC so as to avoid all the scariness that comes with human advancement?

    • maxonepercent

      I don’t think that the ideal of perpetual existence requires a “sentient creator”. Physicists now believe there are more dimensions to existence than we can perceive, perhaps our “soul” will continue to exist in one of these other dimensions once our bodies die here. Also, there is the issue of time perception, many have posited that we are only able to perceive time moving in one direction whereas in reality it moves in many directions.

  • wootendw

    For thousands of years people pushed plows and relied on animal power – right up until my grandparents’ childhood. Then, in relatively sudden period of time, animal power became extinct in the modern world. That is how life extension will occur – but not in the US. The US government will act to prevent it until SS is fixed.

  • DrGonzo7719

    Yeah, you need to add the catch: Life extension tech will make immortality possible… for the rich. The rest of us still get to die like bugs.

    • maxonepercent

      So true, heck for all we know it is already possible…

    • Michael Fairchild

      You have the power, they hide behind your fear.

    • HankReardon77

      what made you so special?

  • George Tsokanis

    one massive emp blast from the sun and all the technology we depend on will be gone.Without technology,our soceity would collapse in hours.Lord of the Flies.

  • Pervis Nelson III

    A copy of my brain is not me. Nobody can say it is unless they would be willing to let themselves be put to death once a sufficient copy is made. After all, if it is really you transferring vessals then you would not care about being put to death. Everyone knows though that they would die and the vessal would just live on as a copy.

    • Thy Rodent

      how do you know that the body you wake up in is the same one that you went to sleep in? it’s just perception and perception can be altered. your old body quietly euthanized. What’s the difference?

      • mscientist

        And to take that a step further some believe that every cell in your body is replaced every 7 years or so.

        One could argue that we are in a constant cycle of death and rebirth.

        • Conservative American Voter

          That’s a myth based on bad math and averages.

          Some cells replace themselves rapidly (like the epidermal cells), but other do not replicate at all, like the nerve cells and their supporting cells in the brain are tightly regulated – there’s only so much room in the hardshell of the skull. Even a benign tumor in the brain is a very bad thing despite the name “benign”…

          • mscientist

            That makes sense. I’ve actually read arguments on both sides of it.

          • Conservative American Voter

            Yeah, well, I teach A&P, it’s hard to shake popular myths about health or science from students inundated with TV tripe. (Though tripe prepared well can be quite good, I’m told)

          • mscientist

            Best fried in butter.

          • Conservative American Voter

            I’m afraid that it would have to be on my plate without my knowledge…can’t get my brain past the idea, though I suppose that if I was hungry enough…

            At odds with this is my affection for raw oysters and horseradish…

  • John R.

    Sounds like typical old satan trying to usurp the promise of Heaven. Of course, those who are not save will relish the idea. I, being saved, find this absurdity to be another trick that the masses of unsaved will slurp up.

    The simple promise or Lord made and paid can be found at John 14:6.

    No robots in heaven…only eternal happiness with the Lord our God.

  • Rick

    What a joke. Live forever. We can’t even cure toe-nail fungus, how are we going to cure all diseases and live forever.

    • http://batman-news.com Never Trust a Prog

      or for that matter, the common cold.

    • http://www.squarespool.com Craig

      Ha ha that was the best comment yet! You got a true LOL (out loud) from me… “Can’t even cure toe-nail fungus” hahahaha

  • Kevin Herman

    Except technology has not really been developing at an accelerated pace. Every watch those TV shows and Movies from the 50’s and 60’s with flying cars? This is a pipe dream.

    • mscientist

      Thats not a technology problem. Its an economy of scale problem. We’ve had flying cars for years. Mere mortals can simply not afford them.

  • Mike Boatman

    I don’t want any part of their “immortality”. The one thing that not only makes us valuable but also makes each and every human being equal is our mortality. I am not really interested in living much past 80-90 years. I want to give up my space on earth for a pretty new baby that will contribute to his or her world just as I have. Immortality would make a world without spice and verve.

    • mscientist

      You say that now. But wait until Ed McMahon shows up on your doorstep with the magic pill. :)

  • Consultofactus

    The curse of the Spartan “May you live forever!”

  • Transhumanist

    As I Transhumanist, I must debunk this article.

    1. If we succeed, there WILL BE NO MONEY. I’m NOT talking about rfid chips, but about an abundance based society, mining asteroids and Earth’s mantle. Robots will liberate all of us. There will be no elite.

    2. Transhumanists do not want to rule over anyone! To me, humans are just a bunch of matter and nothing else, altrough they have a value – but I don’t take pleasure from being worshipped, I want to improve myself without narcissistic goals.

    3. It is a bit of an exaggeration that we will become Gods. We will be superhumans, but not Gods. Knowing everything would lead to fear of infinity and boredom – we want to avoid it and we use it as our best argument against heaven.

    NO TAXES + NO MONEY + NO DEATH = TRANSHUMANISM

    • maxonepercent

      Skynet will take us all out long before any of that ever happens.

    • B. F.

      What an idiotic concept!

      • Thy Rodent

        If your frame of reference is that a god created an entire universe, but only your planet matters… if your frame of reference is that recorded civilization has had thousands of gods and religions, but only yours is correct. If your frame of reference is that of the 100s of trillions of human conceptions through history are individual souls and that all the ones of those that haven’t completed the appropriate rights or acceptance will suffer eternal punishment… then yes, this idea seems idiotic.

    • mscientist

      It all sounds great, but how are you going to solve the population problem?

      • Transhumanist

        Colonizing space, and mind uploading. Plus, the growth is slowing down.

        • mscientist

          Yeah. I think its that whole E=MC^2 thing that I’m getting hung up on.

  • Thy Rodent

    I for one hope that all of the worlds religious believers pass on this when it becomes available. It’s absolutely true – your God really doesn’t want you to go through with this.
    It would be great if this was the evolutionary door stop that finally took these ridiculous people & ideologies out of existence for good.

    • maxonepercent

      Future predictions are virtually never correct, especially really optimistic ones. Mankind will bomb itself back into the stone ages long before “transhumanism” ever becomes a reality.

      • Thy Rodent

        Transhumanism is a reality now. But, I agree that we will blow ourselves up back a few millennia before we hit the singularity.

  • Bob M

    I don’t think you can stop it. Knowledge will continue to grow exponentially. Improvements will be innocuous at first. For example would you want a heart transplant or liver transplant if yours was failing? The replacements will become better over time, to the point they will eventually be better than what you were born with.

    We live in a world where things are made of matter and fueled by energy. Soon we will know all there is to know about the rules and laws governing matter and energy.

    Maybe God wants us to evolve to better things.

    Just my thoughts.

    • haydenma

      Everything dies, it’s a biological fact of life. Death brings renewal, and growth, just look at nature. God designed us to die, first to self, and then bodily. We have immortality as He offers it, its our choice to accept or not, or die fully and completely when our body gives out, or gets hit by a bus.

      • Robert Ta

        God? Which one? We have created over 10,000.

        • haydenma

          The only One that matters

    • maxonepercent

      By that logic maybe “god” is just giving us the tools we need to destroy ourselves too.

  • khmichaels

    Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    Matthew 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

    1 Samuel 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and he hath set the world upon them.

    John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

    2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

    2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect’s sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

    Romans 2:6-7 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
    To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life.

    • haydenma

      So whats your point?

  • LLinLa

    I’ve heard of sequels but this one takes the cake! Coming to a re-education camp near you: “Eden II: We’ll Get It Right This Time Because We’re Progressive!” (Hint: it’ll go much better for you if you eat a piece of fruit instead trying to become immortal again.)

  • Buypass

    Frankenstein lives.

  • dachu3

    congrats for making it to the Drudge Report.

  • Bal hoone

    Immortal human beings will simply extend their own personal evil into infinity…not good.

  • Sel Melvin

    The only God is Krishna

    • haydenma

      The only God is he who has no name, the God of all the universe, who created all created things. Who the heck is “Krishna”

      • Sel Melvin

        The Great Simulator, you mean?

  • NHBill603

    One thing’s For Sure:
    Technology is still in it’s infancy.
    Massive social and personal changes Are going to take place in the next 30 years that will make today’s digital technology look positively stone aged.
    There will come a day when the smartest brain on the planet is not inside a human head.

  • Chuck Sampson

    One major scientific problem with trying to become immortal. The universe is dying. True it is estimated that the sun will last another 90 million years. But immortality means forever. You could escape to a younger solar system but it is going to die out one day. Nope, no forever in our universe. Scientifically impossible.

    • Transhumanist

      5 billion years with this sun, not 90 million.

  • Darren

    Wow. And to think that the limits of my pipsqueak imagination culminated in a desire for someone to invent a fizzy tablet that would turn water into beer. I’m not worthy.

  • oldspeak

    This is so typical of the arrogance and narcissism running amok everywhere today. The simple fact is this: every single one of these transhumanists envisions a future perfection, which implies (and it should be obvious) that we are imperfect beings. Imperfection does not create perfection. It’s illogical, at best. Transhumanism is nothing more than the adolescent wet dream of nerds given credibility and hijacked by the elitists who currently dominate the global power structure. All I gathered from this was they desire infinitely more ways to control the masses and infinitely more ways to stratify society.

    • mscientist

      Your entire post could be used to describe virtually every religion on the planet.

  • bluesky

    Good luck with that. They used to call Alex Jones a nut for reporting
    on these people saying this stuff. Maybe he’s right about a lot more.
    God isn’t gonna let you make your own method of salvation. Get over yourselves, ain’t gonna happen.

  • Redford1

    Death cleanses the world. This is a vision of hell on earth. Welcome to the Borg Collective.

  • B. F.

    Transhumanists? Absolutely, by far the biggest fools ever to walk the planet Earth! You want to live forever in a world that is plagued with hatred of every kind? You want to be like God? You fools! That’s what the serpent said to Adam and Eve. Look where that got us. You will certainly perish in your foolishness.

    • Robert Ta

      That’s funny! You believe that nonsense about a serpent?

      • B. F.

        I certainly do believe in the existence of Satan (a.k.a. the serpent). It would be sad for you if you don’t. Because that is exactly what Satan wants you to think; that he does not exist. And if you do not believe that he does not exist, then Satan has you hook, line, and sinker. Swim away Robert while you still can.

    • mscientist

      Thats right call people foolish, and then start quoting a talking snake.

  • tubaman

    this stupid thinking will NEVER happen,NEVER!!!!!

  • JWales

    So we’re gonna have 300year old divorced women on Matchdotcom claiming that they look, feel and act 265 years younger than their real age and so it’s justified that they want to date men in their 30’s…really great !!

    • haydenma

      300 is the old 200 you know.

  • maxonepercent

    The evolution of computers is vastly out-pacing the evolution of biological sciences. I think it is likely that mankind will create a sentient AI that dominates humanity long before the technology is available to allow humans to become anything close to immortal. All it will take is weaponized autonomous robots and our days as rulers of earth are numbered.

  • snapperman

    Building robots will make us like God…and we will have constructed mankind’s replacement .

  • Al D

    It would be nice to live as long as one wants. I’m not the least bit religious, but I’ve got this sneaking suspicion that transferring a mind from a brain to a computer may be as impossible as leaving the universe in a spaceship.

  • Michael F. Giammella

    Technology is neither good or evil. Nuclear tech gave us both the bomb and radiation therapy for cancer. If God created man and gave him free will and intellect, and we didn’t use that gift and use it to end suffering, to me that would be a sin. Small minds always fear the unknown.

    • maxonepercent

      Well, there were once tens of thousands of people living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki who would probably wish that the nuclear bomb was never invented. My point is that it is easy to see the “positives” when you have never been the victim of the negatives.

      • mscientist

        I would venture that far more lives have been lost to religious fervor than to nuclear technology.

        positives and negatives there as well and your point still applies.

        • Conservative American Voter

          Prove it.

        • mscientist

          You caught me there. I don’t have the exact numbers which is why I only “ventured” it. That said, the inquisition, and the Middle East do come to mind. Then there’s all those pesky wars throughout history, fought in the name of one religion or another.

          • Conservative American Voter

            It is an interesting exercise of the mind. Give it a shot when you have the spare time.

        • maxonepercent

          Apples and Oranges, you are comparing a motive with a weapon. I am sure some religious fanatic will use nuclear weapons to kill millions in the future anyway, seems to be the trend in human nature.

          • mscientist

            Fair enough. I would simply suggest that we should start paying more attention to the motive than to the technology, if we really want to stop killing each other.

  • Scull

    do any of us deserve to be preserved in perpetuity?
    evolution is a natures/cosmic way of thinning the herd for a 2.0 version of ourselves.
    and if this synthetic darwinism is not really “us”, what difference does this make?

    live for the moment. be nice to others. hope for the best.

    that’s all we can do with our chance on this ball spinning around the sun.

  • DWKeller

    We are already immortal by the very fact of being Spirits.

    I for one am not interested in living in the same body forever, much less on Earth or in a material Universe.

    • mscientist

      May I suggest you look up the definition of “fact”? Faith is all well and good, but call it what it is. Do not attempt to pass one off as the other.

      • DWKeller

        This is not fact for me but Reality. Millions have explored Life on Earth with time spent out of their bodies.

        Meditation and Spiritual exercises produce amazing experiences.

        Not to mention the millions who remember their Lives before this one.

        But, one needs to want to evolve. This is not a mental exercise here, but Radical Experiential Subjectivity.

        I Am Life itself!

        • mscientist

          My mistake. You weren’t assigning faith to fact. You were assigning mystic mumbo-jumbo to reality.

          Nice touch with that whole “Radical Experiential Subjectivity” thing. That really puts it over the top for me.

          • DWKeller

            It is so easy to just not think. Well done.

          • mscientist

            There is a difference between thinking and critical thinking. well done indeed.

  • Transhumanist

    What will you choose? You might ONLY have things that exist in that ONE age!

    1. Bronze Age Mentality?
    2. Graphene Age Mentality?

    You might have a tulpa friend, I have the internet.

  • haydenma

    Who wants to live on this planet forever? Its obviously heading for an man-made apocalypse, and I’m not talking about global warming. Man is ever destined to conquer and exploit his fellow man. Look back into history. This has not changed since time began. Unless we all evolve into loving people that put others first, spending more time than I am allotted on this planet would not be my idea of utopia. Good luck with that “transhumanists”.

    • maxonepercent

      Yep, and even if we did somehow manage to “evolve” ourselves into a completely peaceful people we probably would end up getting killed off by warlike aliens or violent A.I..

  • humblerock

    It’s doubtful that our humanity will survive our loss of mortality. It’s such an important part of what makes us human in the first place.

  • Obama_Wants_ManMeat

    I call bull-shiiit on this

  • jerryglen

    One thing not mentioned — Wisdom. Without Wisdom we will exploit and subjugate one another. Is this what we want? This is really nothing new. Old dreams with new names. Most recently it was called Eugenics.

  • Miggy

    Revelation 9:6
    And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

    It will happen.

    • http://disqus.com/WilderNapalm/ Wilder Napalm

      I pray I will stand beside the Lord at Megiddo.

  • snaketrapper

    Humans already possess eternal life. The only question is where they will spend it.

    • Miggy

      Correct. We are in the land of the dead here and destined for the land of the living. John 3:16

  • sktuc

    There really big problem is God will be destroying the Earth in the Future. It’s a dead cause.

  • TSZodiac

    So we’re all going to be Daleks soon, then?

  • InterestedObserver12

    An obvious point – that transhumanists must ignore or their fantasy crumbles – is that when information is “downloaded” from one device to another – for example, downloading a movie from a web server to your computer – the info does not disappear from the first device. The downloaded movie is a copy of the data stored on the web server. Similarly, if the Singularity occurs, your conscious will not merge with a machine: a copy of your consciousness will merge. You are in your brain till death and that cannot be changed.

  • Winston

    God will never allow this. They will try to defeat Jesus Christ at Armageddon but they won’t.

  • http://disqus.com/WilderNapalm/ Wilder Napalm

    No thanks, I want to go when the Lord is ready for me, not try to deny his will. Frankly, when he is ready you are going regardless of medical technology. He’ll just drop a jet on you head.

  • Jacques Jackson

    One would assume the first persons to have their consciousness(es) uploaded would be scientists of great renown, such as Stephen Hawking or certain Nobel Prize winners. Certainly billionaires like Warren Buffett would be at the front of the line. People like George Soros, Barack Obama, and others with power at the very beginning of this effort would be the first to ensure their digital immortality. You didn’t really think they would unleash the powers of the digital universe unto the meager minds of Burger King workers, or people like YOU, did you?

    Once there is an ideal model of digital consciousness, or set of various consciousness(es) uploaded into an online community of superior intellects, there would be no need for the many variations of personalities possessed by the human race, especially those at the lower spectrum. There would be no need for what the elites deem worthless human fodder. The majority of human beings would become the slave class…at least for a while.

    Once cloned cyborgs with uploaded minds, with their vast digital resources, memory, communications abilities and unforeseen powers…are born (or rather spawned)…they will be able to manipulate the economy and the slave class to serve them. There will be no escape from them. They will control all military weapons and they’ll have miniature drones that will incapacitate you before you ever think about overthrowing them. In fact, they will drug you (or your descendants in the not-too-distant future) and convince you (and they), that they are doing what is right, and what makes them happy. Service to their cyborg overlords will be their only goal in life and it will bring them joy. There will be no place to hide. There will be no resistance.

    Eventually the slave class itself would become irrelevant and unnecessary. Uploaded copies of “ideal” digital minds for certain tasks would be provided to genetically engineered, physically superior, cyborgs upon birth / spawning. Humanity itself would cease to exist, other than in an archaic digital form. The only persistent trait of humanity left, would be the desire to survive, reproduce, and conquer to obtain more resources and improve themselves.

    Once the singularity occurs, it will be heralded as the greatest achievement in history. In reality, it will mean the literal death of the human race as a distinct biological species. Cyborgs will not be able to be controlled, once all power is concentrated in the few minds that are uploaded. Will conscience survive the transition to digital consciousness? I assure you, the few minds uploaded will be the most egotistical, selfish, and hostile minds on the planet. They will be the template for all cyborgs. They really will be as gods, as they are saying. They will destroy humanity to create and preserve their new race of cyborgs, with cloned and homogenous digital minds and motives.

    Maybe it’s all supposed to happen this way. Maybe digital minds really are the next leap in humanity? Like the Neanderthals made way for modern man, we will make way for the modern cyborg.

    • Conservative American Voter

      Hell will reign on Earth…for a short period of time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Frano/100003338245557 Robert Frano

    Re: “…And what transhumanist Dr. Richard Seed has to say about all of this is quite frightening. He warns of “warfare” if anyone tries to prevent him from becoming a god…”

    Is Dr. Seed is threatening / has he threatened ‘warfare’, against any persons / agencies / governments who’d either stop OR slow down this effort of his?
    As I recall…
    Dr. Seed has claimed in the past, that he’s already cloned humans,
    and/or, will go ahead and clone one or more humans, (‘A.S.A.P.’)…
    Regardless of any governmental oversight / regulation to the contrary!

    That is NOT the kind of non-reflective someone / untried, (‘before the fact’), program, which I would / could support, either, morally, or philosophically!

    Re: “…They believe that merging with machines will permit us to become trillions of times more intelligent than we are today, and they also believe that radical life extension technologies will make it possible for humanity to actually achieve immortality.”

    I’d like to see a much more detailed mission statement AND definition of what they mean by…‘immortality’!
    I would also like a LOT of clarification:
    What if I DON’T feel immortality, (as they / someone else ‘defines’ it), is appropriate, (for some / any reason), concerning me? Would refusing to participate, (if /when I refuse), make me a designated ‘Luddite’ or ‘thought criminal’, to borrow from G. Orwell?

    Re: “Just a few decades from now, transhumanists believe that superhuman powers and extremely advanced life extension technologies will allow them to essentially become like gods.”

    Oh, Please!!
    Define what is meant by a ‘human, transforming into a God’!
    So far as I’m aware…I’m NOT a ‘Deity’!
    and…I’m ‘Ok’ with that fact.

    Post definition(s)…let’s ALL kick back, over a couple ‘O cold ones, and pick (this / these / any, offered…) explanation(s), apart, for the inevitable issues / problems that will come along…
    BEFORE we create any ‘hardware / software’, sentient OR otherwise!

    Re: “Yes, most transhumanists concede that there will be bumps on the road to utopia, but they argue that it would be foolish not to “take control of our own evolution…”

    ‘…bumps on the road to utopia’?
    Who does the bumping? Who experiences the bumps? Please better define this imagined utopia, in GREAT detail, BEFORE we all upload ourselves!!

    While I generally support most scientific advancement, I absolutely need to say that we should be extraordinarily cautious, re any / all efforts to (overly) ‘manipulate’ hominid-evolution on hominid-time-scales!
    There are a LOT of reasons why species-evolution takes a LONG time, (by ‘human’ standards)!
    We humans have such a terrible track record with…’Utopia-Creation’, aka, a great deal of experience, seeing ‘utopias’ become
    ‘dystopias’, (in both fiction AND reality)!

  • amylewis

    I’ve learned to be quite wary of those who think humans can be perfected with their plans. In the past they have mostly been socialists, and they failed every time with disastrous results. Now they want to make us immortal as a chip riddled brain. No thank you.

  • ericibsen

    I can see them mutated, and sort of
    like inbred looking spastics laying on the floor, flopping and
    drooling screaming why is this happening to me? Love it. Only God can
    give immortality. They will pay dearly for their false immortality.

  • Mary_Kendzicky

    I want 5 minutes of my life back for reading this article. Waste of my time.

  • Conservative American Voter

    Wouldn’t the first one to be uploaded in this abhorrent “singularity” simply turn on all others (as in, “there can be only one…”)?

    And what of the human soul? Can that be uploaded too?

    Man’s Fall separated us from God, but God in the fullness of time restored us through His Son. God has already provided a pathway to eternal life through His Son, Jesus Christ.

    I plan to follow my Lord and Savior, and I reject this ghastly idea of “singularity” and its false promise.

    • mscientist

      How do you know that science and technology is not the means to the very eternal life that God promised?

      • Conservative American Voter

        Because He already came to Earth, He was crucified, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose.

        No one comes to the Father except through the Son. Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

        He restores us to righteousness, and cleanses us of sin and death, for if we believe on Him, we follow Him into Eternal Life.

        • mscientist

          Oh. Yeah. That makes perfect sense as long as you have the hubris to believe you know the mind of God.

          • Conservative American Voter

            I don’t know the mind of God. I know what He has taught us. He did this in person. He lived. He died. He rose again.

            Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh. You can read about Him too, I recommend the Gospel of John, it’s one of my favorites.

  • Danneskjold Repossessions

    I can think of nothing in the world more boring than immortality.

    • mscientist

      I’m pretty sure death would not be all that exciting.

      • Wrabble

        I wasn’t bored during the 4.5B years before I was born so I probably won’t be bored for the 13+B years after I’m gone (before the end of the universe).

        • mscientist

          Can’t argue with that. still…I think I’d choose life.

      • Danneskjold Repossessions

        Depends on how you go.

        • mscientist

          Good point. I should have said “being dead” would not be all that exciting.

  • WeThePeopleUSA

    Pay ever higher taxes for….ever? No thanks, just give me my God-appointed number of years on this old Earth and I will gladly move on into His eternity with a new perfect body in the new Heaven and Earth that He is preparing for His sons and daughters.

    • Michael Fairchild

      ” I will gladly move on into His eternity with a new perfect body in the
      new Heaven and Earth that He is preparing for His sons and daughters.”

      Your fantasy needs work.

      • Conservative American Voter

        Not fantasy. Faith.

        • Wrabble

          I market a line of reincarnation insurance.

          You pay me a premium now and I guarantee that you’ll come back as whatever life form you want. If you don’t, I give you a huge payout when you file your claim.

          • Conservative American Voter

            No thanks, I trust in my Lord Jesus Christ.

            We have only this one shot at life, and then we meet our Judge. Choose wisely which path you take, as your eternal soul depends on it.

          • Wrabble

            When you die, you’re dead. That’s it. Nothing more after that.

          • Homonymous Merkin

            No high-fiving worms? Wow. Quite the little buzzkill, aren’t you?

          • Wrabble

            I guess there is facebookternity…

          • Conservative American Voter

            And you’re entirely free to believe that, and entirely free to be wrong about it too. God bless you.

          • Wrabble

            Evidence to the contrary?

          • Conservative American Voter

            There’s plenty of evidence. One need only look.

          • Wrabble

            Faith != Evidence

          • Conservative American Voter

            No, actual recorded history…along with archeological evidence.

          • Wrabble

            What recorded history or architectural records prove there is another life after death?

          • Wrabble

            PS Remember, this part of the discussion is based on what I had posted: “When you die, you’re dead. That’s it. Nothing more after that.”

            I’d like to see what you think is the appropriate recorded history and archeological evidence indicating that my statement is not true.

          • Conservative American Voter

            Eye witness testimony to the resurrection of the dead good enough?

          • Wrabble

            Is there video of this testimony on YouTube? Do you have the names and email accounts of the eye witnesses so they can be questioned?

            If you’re relying on 2,000 year old stories, those don’t count as eye witness testimony.

            Heck, I’m very doubtful of stories about tales about events reported to occur 1, 10, and 100 years ago.

          • Conservative American Voter

            Do you believe that the works of Plato, and Aristotle are accurately recorded? The Code of Hammurabi? The Illiad and the Odyssey? Marcus Aurelius? Cato?

          • Wrabble

            I believe that we do indeed have reasonably accurate versions of many original writings from days many years ago.

            However, just because we have copies of ancient and original writings doesn’t make true the ideas expressed within those writings.

            For example, as recent as 250 years ago, very learned people had no idea that infections could be related to wound sanitation.

            And experts steadfastly believed (until the mid-1800s) that illness was related to an imbalance of the four “humors” (blood, yellow bile, black bile, and phlegm), and consequently engaged in blood-letting, purges, and emetics as primary treatment modalities.

            Do you have any proof that the dead have been resurrected or was this a rare occurrence a couple of thousand years ago?

            And even if a couple of people were “resurrected,” how does that prove the existence of an afterlife?

            A couple of months ago a 78-year old man was pronounced dead by a coroner, only to revive several hours later in a body bag. That does not prove the existence of an afterlife, but it does prove that even with today’s modern techniques, people may not be dead when we think they are.

            abcnews.go DOT com/blogs/health/2014/02/28/miss-man-declared-dead-wakes-up-in-body-bag/

          • Conservative American Voter

            Well, you keep changing your bar for proof, don’t you?

            First youtube was good enough, now you wish to discuss the history of medicine, and cite ABC news?

            I think there’s a term for folks like you, and it’s “willful ignorance”. You seem to have a open mind about everything except this, right?

            Why don’t you just investigate this yourself, and do so thoroughly.

            Prove the Bible is factually inaccurate and a corrupt text. Prove that the many accounts of miraculous healing have not occurred.

            Prove away. Make it your life’s work.

          • Wrabble

            Huh? I’m not changing my bar of proof.

            This started with my posting: “When you die, you’re dead. That’s it. Nothing more after that.”

            You have not offered one shred of evidence that there actually is an afterlife.

            If you have evidence that there is an afterlife, please provide it.

          • Wrabble

            Prove that there is an afterlife. Make it your life’s work.

            I really have no need to convince others when it comes to anything religious. If you choose to hold religious beliefs, that’s fine with me, believe away!

          • Conservative American Voter

            I already satisfied my curiosity about it, with careful study spanning decades. Then I became a Christian, so following Jesus is now my life’s work.

            Thank you. And God bless you.

            Oh, btw it’s interesting that you put it this way; “I really have no need to convince others when it comes to anything religious.”

            Isn’t that what you’ve been trying to do here with me?

            Seems to be, at least to me. :)

          • Wrabble

            “…it’s interesting that you put it this way; “I really have no need to convince others when it comes to anything religious.” Isn’t that what you’ve been trying to do here with me? Seems to be, at least to me.”

            I challenge unsupported statements ALL the time. I merely asked you to provide the evidence to show that there is an afterlife.

            You have not done that in the slightest. I’m open to evidence. Go ahead, show us what you’ve got. But if you’re just going to say, “Well, the Bible says this…” then that doesn’t count as evidence. Faith is NOT evidence.

            I honestly believe you cannot prove that there is life (or existence or whatever you want to call it after) death.

          • Conservative American Voter

            Seems like you’d disregard any evidence to the contrary of your preconceive notions.

            You’ve said so already. You’re intractable.

            Have a great day.

          • Wrabble

            That’s a strange thing to say. You have presented zero evidence of an afterlife so how do you know I’d disregard such evidence? You have a belief and that’s fine, but you have no evidence.

            You are the one with he preconceived notions , that’s what faith is.

        • mscientist

          Fine, then stop spouting it as fact. Faith is what you believe. Fact is what you know (not what you think you know)

          • Conservative American Voter

            Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, that is what I know.

            My faith has been confirmed in my life many times, and in ways that I do not merit. That’s a fact as well.

          • mscientist

            As long as that confirmation works for you, I take no issue with it.

            What I do take issue with is when people of faith espouse their beliefs as undeniable fact without acknowledging the difference. And then ridiculing others for not having the same beleifs.

            I really like your comment about “assurance of things hoped for”. That is about the most concise characterization I believe I have heard.

          • Conservative American Voter

            I can’t take credit for it, it was St. Paul who recorded it first…incredible mind in that one.

          • mscientist

            Well. Either way, you wear it well. Good day to you sir.

          • Conservative American Voter

            And to you as well.

      • WeThePeopleUSA

        Michael…1 Corinthians 1:18. You call my beliefs “fantasy” and yet you have absolutely no way to prove that they are such. You will find out for yourself when you breathe your last. In the meantime, I encourage you to open your mind and heart. Seek and you will find.

        • mscientist

          There is also no way to prove they are not. So what’s your point?

  • Renku X

    I find it real funny that transhumanist really think that technology is gonna make them god haha there is the one true living GOD and HE does not need any machine to do what HE does. The transhumanist’s tin can robot body will not survive GOD’s holy wrath at the second advent of JESUS CHRIST.

  • Renku X

    The biggest irony is that man will later be enslaved by his own creation robots/technology

  • Sara

    I have heard a story not long ago that The Lost City of Atlantis had so much technology that what ever they did cracked the Earth and caused a great flood. God told Noah to prepare so he could save what he saved. In this particular story God allowed “them” to get so far until they cross that line and humanity starts over from scratch until we learn to love each other as well as the Earth. I am not saying this really happened but, it makes since of how things are going today. “They” will cross that line and God will say no more, by fire this time. However, I do not like the 2045 thingy, it’s stupid. I like being a human and I can imagine that without GREED the world would be a perfect place for humans and life.

  • MadMoto

    Two thoughts:

    1) If you create a “better” human, why would that human need the rest of us?

    2) The same thing tends to happen to people who try and play God; it never works out well for them. There is a reason there is only one God (and we are not Him).

  • tonyloaf

    “Science and technology move us toward Utopia. One of the most exciting things about transhumanism is that all will be fixed.” Like how it gave us the atomic bomb. Looking forward to more of the same from Science and technology.

    • Wrabble

      …which ended WWII and saved many lives which would have been lost during the inevitable land invasion of Japan.

      Also consider that fire has taken many more lives than nuclear weapons, so maybe mankind never should have invented it. Yep, life was so much better before we had fire.

      • mscientist

        True. Also note that religion has taken more lives than the bomb and fire combined.

        • Wrabble

          That’s false. And I’m an atheist.

          It has almost always been about power and control. Religion was often there, but it wasn’t the root cause. Political leaders have used religion to whip up the masses in order to get them to endure tremendous hardship.

          Even the Spanish Inquisition was fundamentally about Ferdinand II and Isabella I’s lust for power – they manipulated the church, against the wishes of the Pope, to conduct a purge of their political enemies.

          And consider that neither world war nor the Civil War nor the Revolutionary War were about religion.

          Romans and Etruscans and Huns etc. weren’t trying to spread their religion as much as they were trying to spread their economic and political influence.

  • James

    Stolen right from Ray Kurzweil. See “The Singularity is Near.”

  • http://davids-home-now.blogspot.com/ David F Thomas

    Without our mortality, some people I know sure would get old.

  • James

    Oh one more thing. Those of you trying to equate god and freewill are the worst of all charlatans. Keep the gibberish to yourselves.

    • Wrabble

      The worst?

      Surely you can think of worse charlatans than those who equate god and freewill.

      • James

        Please share.

        • Wrabble

          How about those who pretend to speak for God?

          • James

            My point is there is no god. Its all a charade and the equation of a god permitting freewill is a fallacy in its deepest meaning.

          • Wrabble

            Sorry, charlatanism exists in many aspects of life and is indeed more pronounced in some areas than in religion.

  • Homonymous Merkin

    Don’t believe this for a minute. The regressives will get permanent control of society and life will seem to last forever.

    • Wrabble

      The days will be long and the years will be short.

      • Homonymous Merkin

        Ha ha. Sure will.

  • tonyloaf

    “They believe that we can use science and technology to guide the evolution of society and that this will create a far better world than we have today.” And who, pray tell, is going to be the judge of what constitutes a “better world?” The first megalomaniac that gets god-like powers and decides that the world would be “a far better world” if he eliminated everyone who disagreed with him? Knowledge does not necessarily equate to morality, wisdom, or love.

    • mscientist

      Sounds like a liberal to me.

  • JWales

    So women commonly lie about their age on dating websites, usually cutting 5 years off…so what, in the future they will knock 100 years off…just wondering?

  • perro

    immortality will never be achievable, at least not this way. If you transfer the information from your brain onto some type of computer drive it may have all the info from your brain but it isnt you.. Its basically just a copy. It might talk and act and have the same memory as you, but there is no consciousness. They have to transfer the info at some point before you die, right? You cant exist in two states simultaneously. To an outside obserever it may seem just like you, but there is no soul there. Dont let them trick you into doing this.

    • IronSun254

      And copy you would always know it wasn’t the real deal. Why create a depressed computer that remembers having a body?

    • Sammy

      That’s what people said about heavier than air flight and space travel.

      • mscientist

        Good point. Back in the early days of the automobile, conventional wisdom had it that going faster than 60 MPH meant instant death.

  • seanmahair

    Anyone who wants to live on this world for eternity surely needs their head examined and to be medicated immediately. They are truly delusional and have a tenuous grasp of reality. I’m always surprised by the people who love fantasy and who can tell the good guys from the bad guys but when talking about reality they can’t quite decide just who it is that’s out to get them.

  • Dennis Moore

    What’s the point? People will live 10,000 years or more and get to experience the next ice age and mass exticntion.

  • Jimbo

    I would like an extended life span. And more importantly i’d like the body to stop aging at about 35. Immortality? Nah. The world changes too much. Eventually you’d feel too disconnected because you didn’t grow up with all the new culture and technology. I see this all the time with old people and computers/devices. They simply can’t wrap their head around them no matter how much time they spend with them.

  • Rain Barclift

    Watch Age of Deception 2 on Youtube …immediately…Age of Deception 1 is great as well….checkem out.

  • Julian Fries

    Well, there you have it. All the toys and goodies and advanced tech for THEM, not you. We’ll be in the starvation slums, labouring.

    Real nice people. So nice they want to shed their humanity in the name of pompous hubris. Jackasses.

  • WeThePeopleUSA

    Didn’t Johnny Depp just make a huge flop of a movie about this idea?

    • Wrabble

      A little Depp’ll do ya!

    • Conservative American Voter

      That’s his latest flop…did you catch Dark Shadows?

      Yeah, no one else did either…

  • Mollie H.

    What has living a long time got to do with being a “God” ?
    Our brains are still tiny little limited organs
    in a reality far too great to comprehend.

    We shall not live forever, we shall simply die by accident
    rather than old age.

  • 301

    I wanna be a Terminator.

  • linda barnett

    Who wants to live for over a hundred years in the rotten usa? It gets worse every day. Not interested here.

    • mscientist

      I do. Speak for yourself.

  • GordonRanger

    The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell

    ~ Karl Popper

  • gskuc2003

    What was the warning from that old science fiction classic, “Forbidden Planet”? Oh, yes…beware of the “monsters from the id”. The super-intelligent Krell gained all kinds of knowledge and power to transform mental “energy” into material forms, but forgot about their fallen nature, the “mindless primitive” parts of themselves that still lurked in the corners of their suped up brains. Perhaps the Krell didn’t have a Lord J. D. Acton equivalent who would have warned them that “power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” The concepts of immortality, and almost omniscient intelligence and power were also addressed certain Star Trek episodes “Return to Tomorrow”, “Where no Man has Gone Before,” and “Charlie X” from the original series. It didn’t end well for the beings who came to point where they began to think of themselves as “gods.”

  • pashawn

    Even if real life extension ever was possible, it would just be abused by the ruling elite anyways. Us serfs would just die off while they lived on.

  • With Fortitude

    Check out Aubrey De Grey. Extending life and the arguments that often oppose it are explained away. De Grey touches on the singularity topic but he feels science will be the main reason for extending life not technology.

  • Olrik

    My vision of a typical American of the year 2045 is a brown boy with a nagging cough who likely will not live past 35, the average lifespan of Americans. He lives in a decaying urban desert and has never used electricity (there is none), let alone a computer, which he knows nothing about. His job is to tend a donkey cart fashioned from the rusting remains of a hybrid car and to search for scraps of wood and other combustibles that can be used to roast rats and prisoners from other tribes over a communal fire pit…

  • netboyrick

    Man trying to remember who he is through technology. Like waves on the ocean, we are all temporary human expressions of the one consciousness. We chose to forget to make the experience seem more real. We are already immortal and will remember this when we pass to the next dimension. Like waking up from a dream……

  • Fleendar the magnificent

    No, I DON’T want to join the BORG!
    Besides, with as horrible as this planet has become? WHO wants to live forever??

  • MeezaThinkin

    Seriously? Seriously?

  • Stan126

    Of course the big problem with becoming trillions of times more intelligent is that you are probably going to be able to answer every important question about, well, everything in a few seconds. That’s going to leave a lot of time on your hands to just hang out doing pretty much nothing at all except being waited on by machines. You’re not even going to have any thing to talk about with anyone else because everyone’s all going to know pretty much the same stuff you do. And since nothing bad ever happens to anyone, there isn’t really going to be anything exciting happening much either.

  • FAHQOBAMA

    “The God’s envy us. They envy us because we are mortal, because any moment could be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we are doomed. You will never be as lovely as you are right now, and we will never be here again”

    Plato

  • azhermit

    Snoooooooooooooooooooooooooze… wanna buy a bridge?

  • 1hermanfattrack

    They’ll eventually be able to transplant your mind into an eternally functioning machine, but it’ll lack a soul. It’ll be nothing more than a spiritless, emotionless, heartless, hyper-intelligent robot. Whoopee ! No thanks.

  • Dennis Moore

    The focus could be on improving the health of everyone to the point of living a decease free and otherwise healthy life until 100 +/- years old. That, I could buy. If my folks were still alive they would be 90 yrs old. Their great depression/WWII gereration is pretty much all gone now. Why would anyone want live beyond their time?

  • TheRealist II

    Live longer and more indestructible yes , become like god , I think not!

  • FRANK YOUFUK

    First, they need to get the current technologies up to speed. Apple needs to get rid of the sandbox and improve the flawlessness of apps, browsers need to work better and be more universal. Imagine trying to locate the BS letter number combination for the password to your 8th of April memory. These developers sometimes are idiots and do things entirely wrong just to stay legal and please the rentseekers. Put it this way, I rooted for Johnny Depp in Transcendence the entire time, it was the Morgan Freemans that FU^&ed everything up!

  • C

    You think we have over-population now!

    • JWales

      there will be policies to take care of that

  • Fess Aria

    “Cos it’s got Electrolytes”

  • ogre

    if you believe that infinity exists in nature and is not just a mathematical construct, then this quest for immortality is redundant, because every instant of time and every combination of matter (including you) exists always, and in very possible varriation (the multiverse.)
    Some physicists believe that is reality. Some don’t. Take your choice.

  • putupjob

    Beware the Tower of Babel.

  • Brian washere

    I long for the relief death will bring… Especially considering the sewer America has become.

  • Bob Taus

    I’m in. But, at 75 I may be a day late and a dollar short.

  • NSSA3Way

    This could explain why Kissinger has remained so youthful and keeps showing up and flapping his pie hole long after I thought he had died.

  • the rein man

    Resistance is futile.

  • Cougar Smith

    Nope, God will say “No, time to shut this down.” before mankind can even attempt it.

    • Wrabble

      Do you speak for God?

      • Cougar Smith

        He never changes and history does repeat itself. This is the modern day Tower of Babel. When I speak of scripture, yes, I do indeed ‘speak for God’.

        • Wrabble

          What is it that causes people to think that God won’t change our understanding of his rules? He may offer us more scripture and present the opportunity to achieve even greater heights while we are still in this world. How about we try not to restrict Him?

  • http://10forward.com rogern1967

    I’ll take a pass on immortality, thanks. I don’t desire to be like God.

    • Robert Ta

      No need to worry. There is no god. God is mythology. The power of suggestion is strong. “Believers” have been duped, and are nothing more than suggestible.

  • Jaymes Dredfill

    There’s a lake of fire, and it grows hungry for some tainted transhumanist flesh.

    • drew

      Lake of fire is for their Soul not Flesh.

  • htmurph

    @ TestSalad Jesus is the son of man. If you are looking for a woman, please turn to Mary. †

  • abbeyconway

    No it won’t. And whomever is thinking that, believing that, striving for that will back off soon, if they have even half a brain. I don’t think it is wise to challenge God.

    • Sel Melvin

      Never challenge Krishna

      • Frankie “da scarf”

        What about the Moonie’s?

        • Guppy2

          Never challenge the Moon Pie

    • Frankie “da scarf”

      You don’t think it’s wise, but THEY do. We’re not gonna be around IF this happens anyway. Enjoy while you can.

  • Super Hero Ret

    I thought Obamacare was the answer to life extension. Morons.

    • JWales

      I guess you misspelled extinction.

  • Tommy

    Tower of Babel?

    • drew

      It is that simple. It’s a high-tech tower of Babel. Babble.

  • NavyBlue1962

    If you believe this B.S. I have some ocean front property in Kansas to show you.

  • flabdap

    eternal boredom ….sorry not!

  • jimkress

    Laughable.

  • Mark 2112

    how can one become that which the mere mortal cannot fully grasp?

  • Libertatis

    I have a little perspective on this; I’m trained as an MD psychiatrist but I switched careers to software engineering.

    My opinion? It’s crap.

    We have so little understanding of how the brain actually works, it’s astonishing. We’ve learned an incredible amount over the last thirty years, but it’s just opening new questions faster than we answer the old ones.

    Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose have suggested that the brain operates at a quantum level. If they’re right, it means the neurons, axons, and synapses aren’t the computer but rather the network and each neuron is its own small quantum computer…putting its computational power many orders of magnitude greater than Ray Kurzweil’s simplistic reductions.

    Even if we approach its raw computing in Kurzweil’s reductionist model, my mind screams “What about the SOFTWARE?”

    We don’t understand how the brain produces a coherent consciousness from thousands or millions of independent processing units. We don’t even understand consciousness.

    However, I welcome the “Elites” to experiment with this. David Rockefeller and George “I Killed Jews for Fun” Soros should be the first to have their brains fully scanned and uploaded to a Cray. For a truly exhaustive scan, that would of course involve a destructive micrometer-level slicing to map all the connections.

    But you’ll live forever Davey and Georgie!

  • EnabledVet

    The most interesting thing about these “men”, is that seem to be acknowledging the God exists. So, if they succeed in becoming Gods ( I defer to Liberatatis, with whom I whole heartedly agree), what will they do if they meet the Original?

  • davehazelwood

    I suspect before we even get close to the above we will manage to bomb ourselves back to the stone age and it will take another 5000 years just to rediscover the light bulb.

  • jayfromcleveland

    Uh oh, this is what happens when Trekkies start taking that BS too seriously.

  • spd1275

    This is certainly what we need…. Immortal human beings possessed with a totally depraved and immoral soul. I think mankind has tried this before.

    Look at the pyramids, Inca structures, magnificent things that either predate, or were built just after Noah’s great flood before mankind’s languages were dealt with at the Tower of Babel.

    When asked when He would return Jesus answered… When man has gotten to where he was during Noah’s time, then I will return. There is a lot of evidence that humans were advanced in knowledge and technology prior to the Great Flood. Since the Garden of Eden he has aspired to be as God.

    Technology is fast getting us there folks. Whoever would have thought, just 60 years ago, that we would have instant access to information as we do now? When Eisenhower set all these secret Agencies up during the Cold War I doubt he saw that by 2014 he would be able to listen in on the German Chancellors personal phone calls!

    Science has paved the way for the Mahdi, or antiChrist. What in the world did Daniel and John see when God gave them their visions. Even the notion that everyone on earth could see the Witnesses be killed, then rise again must have been mind boggling to them. Every eye? Live from CNN!

    The world is ready, I think, for the coming very soon. If you have not spiritually prepared I invite you, encourage you even, to drop me a note. This isn’t the forum, in my own opinion, to go into it. My details are in my profile. If you are interested in being spiritually prepared for what is coming drop me a note.

  • mleblanc138

    I don’t need Earthly technology to become like God. If I make it to the Celestial Kingdom after I die, I will essentially be in school until I am like God.

  • Francis Short Jr

    With our corrupted passions and desires being like gods would be a disaster

  • blackciti_fo5

    I highly recommend this documentary on youtube. Its entitled “Age of deceit 2″. His YT channel is “facelikethesun”. This doc is a must watch.

  • savedbyjesus

    another lie from the father of lies, and becos people dont believe truth they are deceived into believing lies

    • Wrabble

      becos?

      • Kevin Stowell

        It’s a river in Tejas. Or a bacon-flavored soy product.

        • infadelicious

          Muy ha ha!

          • Kevin Stowell

            Dat da noise Michele make’ when she’ grazin’!

          • infadelicious

            That’s udderly ridiculous!!

        • Wrabble

          Didn’t Jeff Becos just buy the Washington Post?

          • Kevin Stowell

            No, that was Jewel D. Bezel and she bought the Times.

  • anon

    Rev. 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

  • RedneckCryonicist

    I’ve wanted to become an immortal superman ever since I read Robert Ettinger’s book Man Into Superman, back in 1974.

    For a different take on this idea, I also recommend F.M. Esfandiary’s book, Up-Wingers, which came out around the same time as Ettinger’s book, You can find free pdf formatted versions of both of these books online.

    I plan to give a talk about Ettinger’s book this November at the Cryonics Convention in Laughlin, Nevada, sponsored by the Society for Venturism.

  • DOUG EDGE

    ONLY A FOOL WILL SAY THERE IS NOT A SUPREME GOD! YOU SIR ARE A FOOL. NOT MY SAYING BUT THE GOD THAT MADE YOU YES SIR YOU WILL DIE YOU ARE NOT A GOD OF EARTH OR HEAVEN
    JESUS ROSE FROM THE GRAVE , PUT YOUR BELIEF IN HIM AND YOU WILL HAVE THE ETERNAL LIFE YOU SO DESIRE THIS ETERNAL LIFE IS NOT MAN MADE WITH ROBOTS BUT THE ONE THAT GAVE YOU THE KNOWLEDGE TO EVEN BUILD A ROBOT

  • drew

    My farts are eggy.

    • Wrabble

      The yolk’s on you!

    • Kevin Stowell

      I smell sulfur!

      • Wrabble

        Sulfur the little children.

        • Kevin Stowell

          The left are proponents of children’s and felons’ sulphurage.

      • Conservative American Voter

        Get used to it…

  • Kevin Stowell

    Again?

    • Wrabble

      Some sites block URLs, others don’t. When a post is blocked because it has a URL in it, I copy and paste it (munging the URL) and then replace the original. Sometimes the original shows back up, sometimes it stays in mod limbo.

      • Kevin Stowell

        Thanks. I’m now deconfused.

      • Kevin Stowell

        Probably ends up in Outer Mungolia.

        • infadelicious

          The mungoose ate your baybee, and your URL

          • Kevin Stowell

            Common problem in the outback which is why the mung keys should never be left lying about.

        • Wrabble

          I bean there.

  • VegasBob

    Mr. Kurzweil will one day find out that taking 150 vitamin supplements will SHORTEN his life.

    Eventually his liver or kidneys will tire of filtering all that crap out of his body, and that will be the end of him.

    That’s what killed my father – 150 vitamin supplements a day…

  • Mactango

    This fellow clearly has a misunderstanding of God. But in
    the above short clip it’s hard to discern what he actually believes about God and our relationship to Him, or if he understands the material and immaterial.

    If there was a time machine and we were able to travel back to the year 1500 and transport someone to the present day, that person might perhaps think that humans have become as gods because of our technological advancements. But that would be relative to him and his personal understanding of the past where he came from and lived in. Likewise, if we were somehow transported
    to the future 300 years from now and we witnessed, for example, that humankind merged with machine and created robots to do our work and that we were flying in spacecraft to the farthest reaches of the galaxy and colonizing other planets, we would in a way consider mankind at that futuristic point as ‘gods’ to us compared to today’s world.

    If that is what this fellow is alluding to that’s nothing uncommon because it’s in man’s nature to advance. The human species accumulates knowledge and passes it on to the next generation where it is again built upon and passed on to the next and so on. This process is going to continue to happen because that is God’s command to us, to subdue the Earth and by extension the Universe.

    But If this guy thinks that we can somehow literally become like God he’s mistaken. The lesser can never overcome the greater, the created can never overcome the Creator. God lives in the immaterial world with the angels, the human race lives in the material world, and since we live in the material world we are subject to all the laws of the material world. One of which are the laws of thermodynamics, which govern the life and death of cells.
    A person has to reject the law of thermodynamics to believe that people can somehow be engineered to live forever. Humans might be able to invent new technologies that extend life slightly, but we will all eventually die. Again, God himself commanded that we are dust and to dust we shall return. There’s no way around that command.

    The flesh is inferior to the spirit. The spirit always commands the flesh. Just as the angels are below God, we are below the angels because they live in the spirit world (heaven) which is immaterial. Human beings could never elevate the species to a level within the material world to challenge angels. Angel are superior to us no matter how advanced we become. See 2 chronicles 32: 21 for an example of the power of the Angelic Host. And it was not really a Host; it was simply one angel that destroyed the Assyrian Army in this passage. So it makes no difference that if 1,000 years from now mankind developed the most devastating weapons you can imagine, or lived in some Utopian state of elevated or enhanced intelligence. We are still talking about all things within the material world. Just as before, all God would have to do is send one angel to annihilate everyone.

    And we know what happens to a being that tries to make himself like God. As Lucifer is depicted in Isiah 14: 12-15 he refused to serve God and was cast to hell. In verse 14 Satan says, “I will be like the most High!” He was mistaken; his judgment clouded by pride, and went straight to the nether world. Jesus of course personally witnessed this event and told his disciples about it. In Luke 10: 18 Jesus says, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from the sky.” No one challenges God directly, and we are not allowed even to see the God without his own protection. God himself has to will it, no one has the natural right to see God. (See exodus 33: 18-19)

    So if this gentleman actually believes the he or the human race can be like God or ascend to the level of God, he honestly doesn’t understand what he’s talking about. It’s impossible. We are made in the ‘likeness’ of God but we can never be “like” God.

  • FrontandCenter

    No, God is not a cyborg. Too much trust in technology and a failure to assimilate the truth about human nature and how we tend to use advanced technology to kill other human beings for some pretty petty things.

    Now if they could give me back the youth of my 20’s for a few more decades… ; )-

  • dbur

    This will be very bad news for 99% of the population who aren’t in the positions of power or wealth to participate in it. As said elsewhere the track record of humanity’s wealthy and powerful is not good. Why will man-made intelligence and eternal life change that? There is no evidence to support that conclusion.

    If no one dies, who will have children, or be allowed to have children? Where will they live and what will they eat for the rest of eternity? Please don’t say “space’. Even when we learn to travel to other inhabitable planets an infinitesimally small portion of the inhabitants of Earth will be able to be sent. (though maybe if we get lucky all the transhumans will go and leave us alone). Scarce resources will be reserved for those in control and iron clad suppression will be imposed on those who are not.

  • The Word

    “And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment,” Hebrews 9:27

    There is NO escape for man from the physical death of this reality. NONE.

  • Randome-11

    Is human-made technology close to creating new universes or an entire planet in less than 7 days? The answer is no.

    Hence no, not even close to It, not even far in fact. Stating so is ignorant to the extreme. This ignorance is even worst if you call yourself a christian.
    The christian faith is that the Big Dude (better than Dog spelled backward) is omnipotent and omniscient, unbeatable, not something that can be bested by mere humans.

  • Jon

    This is when religion will finally fade away and vanish. I don’t agree with this because the people uploading/downloading the mind into a body will filter out and put in files that make that brain think how they want for control. You know how it works. . .Plus, it wouldn’t be your soul since your brain would be put into another body. That just doesn’t make much sense. And on the track we’re on, I wouldn’t wnat to live 9000 years. I’d rather them give us anti-gravity space crafts so we can fly to other planets. I’d rather do that in my 70 to 100 years of life.

    • Jon

      Also, instead of working on immortality, because they especially are afraid to die, need to work on bettering the world. Bring inflation down and spread peace and lets, as Earthlings, live together as a planet. Instead of fighting over countries or religions.

      This is the only planet we have. Chemtrails aren’t helping much with that. It’s not like we can jump over to another Earth (yet)…

  • G

    Complexity of biological systems is vastly underestimated. People see human technological progress and think its advanced but really its very primitive compared to biological systems. We may never be able to fully understand how biological systems work. Think about the development of an embryo. A cell so small it can only be seen with a microscope starts dividing, each new cell knows what specialisation to form, migrates to the correct place, interacts with other cells. Trillions of cells grow limbs, body, blood supply brain etc. Cells have to know how many times to divide, where they are needed to create the body parts in the right order, right dimensions, interact with other cells. This in itself is mind boggling. Think about the brain with its trillions of connections forming an intelligent super computer that controls the organism. This is way beyond anything we can even think about. Even a fly has an impressive brain processor controlling wings, flight, digestive system, eyes and senses etc. In the meantime we tinker around mixing genes in a blind way to see what happens. What happens is totally unpredictable because we don’t really know what we are doing.

  • http://www.booksbyoliver.com/ Delaware River

    The mixing of biological and non-biological matter is when we see the end of times.

    I don’t trust anyone with a Ph.d. They can’t even run their own lives and yet they are trying to run our lives (social workers, teachers, judges, lawyers etc.).

  • Sel Melvin

    I don’t care about any of that; just bring on the transhumanism. Welfare becomes more than acceptable with robots at the helm.

  • Mike B

    It won’t happen… near term human extinction is at hand.

    And if it isnt, resource depletion is…
    And if it turns out that the earth is filled with oil…
    The biosphere goes.

    Not gonna happen.

  • Kevin Phillips

    Here’s the problem, you don’t understand what consciousness *is*. Your consciousness is manifested as particles in your human brain, but rightfully that’s all your consciousness is.

    You’re poking at a truth you don’t understand when you think consciousness can be transferred… only circuitry can be transferred, the consciousness itself is experiential… and you only believe it’s created by the particles. Rightfully, particles are just particles.

    Experience is something else. You can’t create a new consciousness, only new circuits, and you can’t transfer
    consciousness, only copy physical or logical circuitry.

    I have a low end supergenius IQ. I never had to study in school, often could sleep through the lectures and still pass the test. Anybody who can understand my point feel free to argue. There’s no chance I’m wrong about this. This won’t work, what the OP article is driving at. The problem isn’t physical it’s metaphysical and ontological.

    • Kevin Phillips

      here is the reasoning behind why this would work:

      (1) My consciousness comes from the particles of my brain (circuitry, specifically)
      (2) If I create an identical set of circuitry somewhere else, it will copy my consciousness

      It sounds well reasoned

      Here is why it won’t work:

      (1) My circuitry is not the same set of circuitry it was five years ago… the structure has changed quite a bit over the course of my life
      (2) It’s still the same consciousness now as it was then

      IE, it’s not the circuitry or the structure of the circuitry that defines a consciousness

      Conscious experience transcends the particles that make it up. If you upload your brain to a machine, you will no longer be experiencing the universe, you will just be dead, with a copy of your circuitry left behind.

      • Kevin Phillips

        For that matter, it’s the experiential realm of being human, the ontological, that transcends the physical, that I still believe in God. I don’t necessarily ascribe to any one organized religion but I understand the necessity of a deeper ontology to justify the physical universe.

        Conscious experience doesn’t fit into physics as we have modeled it. Not saying we have modeled physics wrong, just saying it doesn’t justify the universe experiencing itself…

        Humans playing God will always end with bad results. Why? Because there is actually something larger than just the physical… even if there’s no Jesus or Satan, there is still something outside of the physical realm. And we can’t change, influence, impact or touch it.

        Why?

        Because we are *contained* by it. We can’t influence it, yet it can influence us. No science can change that. It’s *meta* physical. No mastery over particles or atoms can change the rules by which particles and atoms are governed.

        You can’t science without philosophy, or if you do, you’ll live to regret it, if you live.

        Be grateful for the gift you were given in life, or lose it. There’s no other way.

        • Kevin Phillips

          Alternately, life will become meaningless when it’s guaranteed. Maybe that’s the real Hell.

          Gratitude is where happiness comes from (this has been established on even a neurological level)

          How can you be grateful for a life where everything is guaranteed?
          Happiness would become impossible.
          Better to die.