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This Is What Happens When Establishment Control Of The Media Cracks For A Moment

Every once in a while, establishment control of the mainstream media cracks for a moment.  In an effort to achieve higher ratings, mainstream news programs will invite guests on that promise to be “interesting”, but then they will say something that is not part of the script and the entire system will go into a state of chaos for a moment. One example of this happened recently when two CNN “infobabes” interviewed former CIA officer Michael Scheuer about the situation on the ground in Libya. They asked Scheuer some questions regarding the role of the CIA in Libya, but the interview rapidly moved in some directions that the “infobabes” were not anticipating.  Instead of sticking to the “Republican” or the “Democrat” script, Scheuer ripped both parties and he detailed many of the reasons why we should have never gone into Libya at all.

The “infobabes” grew increasingly uncomfortable as Scheuer described how large numbers of the resistance fighters in Libya have fought against U.S. troops in the Balkans, in Afghanistan and in Iraq.  They did not seem pleased at all when Scheuer declared that the civil war in Libya is “none of our business” and that to the rest of the world this conflict looks like “Americans killing Muslims for oil” all over again.

The funniest part of the interview was when Scheuer accused one of the “infobabes” of “carrying the water for Mr. Obama”.  After that statement, the female anchor that Scheuer was addressing was visibly flustered and quickly went to a commercial.

Video of this CNN interview with Michael Scheuer is posted below.  This is a video that should be shared with everyone you know….

Wasn’t that hilarious?

When a big time establishment news network such as CNN goes “off script” it can be a beautiful thing to watch.

Of course Scheuer was exactly right.  We never should have gotten involved in the civil war in Libya.  It was none of our business.  When the rebels picked up arms and started shooting at government forces, they should not have been surprised when Gadhafi’s forces started shooting back.

Over the past few decades, there have been some very real genocides happening all over Africa, but the U.S. never seemed to care about any of those.

But now the mainstream media has been trying really hard to spin the civil war in Libya into a “great humanitarian crisis”.

Well, that might fool some of the American people, but as Scheuer aptly pointed out, the rest of the world sees this as just another U.S. war in the Middle East for oil (and banking).

But instead of getting a balanced view of the war in Libya, most of the time the corporate media has focused on an endless parade of establishment Republicans and establishment Democrats that fully endorse the war.  Of course the Republicans all try to score some political points by questioning how Obama is going about doing things, but in the end most Republicans and most Democrats are fully on board with what is going on in Libya.

Nearly everyone in the mainstream media seems to be fully on board with this war as well.

Why?

Well, because virtually all of the major media outlets are owned by the establishment, and the establishment wants this war.

Have you ever noticed that the news seems to have the same “flavor” no matter what channel you turn to?

There is a very good reason for that.

In an article that I previously authoried entitled “Who Owns The Media?“, I explained that six incredibly dominant corporations control most of the news that we see today….

Back in 1983, approximately 50 corporations controlled the vast majority of all news media in the United States.  Today, ownership of the news media has been concentrated in the hands of just six incredibly powerful media corporations.  These corporate behemoths control most of what we watch, hear and read every single day.  They own television networks, cable channels, movie studios, newspapers, magazines, publishing houses, music labels and even many of our favorite websites. Sadly, most Americans don’t even stop to think about who is feeding them the endless hours of news and entertainment that they constantly ingest.  Most Americans don’t really seem to care about who owns the media.  But they should.  The truth is that each of us is deeply influenced by the messages that are constantly being pounded into our heads by the mainstream media.  The average American watches 153 hours of television a month.  In fact, most Americans begin to feel physically uncomfortable if they go too long without watching or listening to something.  Sadly, most Americans have become absolutely addicted to news and entertainment and the ownership of all that news and entertainment that we crave is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands each year.

The six corporations that collectively control U.S. media today are Time Warner, Walt Disney, Viacom, Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp., CBS Corporation and NBC Universal.  Together, the “big six” absolutely dominate news and entertainment in the United States.

Yes, there are always some minor differences in news broadcasts, and in recent years we have seen outlets such as Fox News attempt to become “the establishment Republican news” and outlets such as MSNBC attempt to become “the establishment Democrat news”, but at the end of the day the kind of news that we get from all of them is pretty much the same.

But sometimes there are moments when establishment control of the news crumbles for just a moment.

Another example of this happened recently when Donald Trump made an appearance on The View.  Not that Donald Trump is a huge “rebel”, but apparently he has not gotten the message that you are not supposed to question Barack Obama’s birth certificate on television.

The following is video footage of Trump’s absolutely chaotic recent appearance on The View….

In the United States today, if you want to get into college or if you want to apply for a good job usually you have to give a great deal of information about your background and produce a whole host of documentation about your past.  For many jobs, applicants actually must be willing to submit to a very thorough formal background check.

Whatever you may think about Obama, you have to admit that what he has been able to accomplish is rather extraordinary.  He applied for the most important job in the world, and yet he kept vast sections of his background a complete and total secret.  He did not produce his birth certificate, he did not produce his Columbia University transcript (or much information at all regarding his educational background), there are quite a few years of his life that really can’t be accounted for at all and there are very serious questions about his Social Security number.

Yet in spite of all that he convinced the American people to make him the president of the United States.

That has got to make Barack Obama one of the greatest con men in U.S. history.

Hopefully in the future a law will be passed or the American people will demand that all politicians disclose at least the most basic information about their backgrounds.

For Obama to be able to get this far while keeping vast portions of his background a complete and total secret is absolutely mind blowing.

In any event, it has been refreshing to see some “cracks” appear in the control of the mainstream news lately.

Whether it is the war in Libya or whether it is Barack Obama’s background, the truth is that we should all be free to ask the important questions.

Our founding fathers believed very strongly in freedom of speech for a reason.  Free speech shines light in dark places and it holds people accountable.  Free speech protects our freedoms and it keeps tyranny at bay.

Free speech is very precious and it is easily lost.  Once free speech is gone it is incredibly difficult to get back.  Let us cling to free speech and cherish it deeply, because it is absolutely central to who we are as a nation.

  • Wobbly-1

    It must be great over at CNN when you can say that the economy and the war in Libya are two totally different things…another drinker of the democratic kool-aid of party blindness. We can pitch the line of humanitarian crisis all day but in the end no one is buying that story. We are there for two reasons (a) to distract the sheeple from the crumbling American financial crisis a d (b) ensure that we have another avenue to oil. I find it amazing how many people pitch the line given to them by the mainstream media and just accept it without question. Then, with that answer spoon-fed to them, they change the channel and worry about the truly important things their shallow world like who is getting voted off American idol or which group of grown adults can bash a baseball the best….

  • http://www.planorperish.com Gutter Economist

    The Fundamental Transformation of America

    By Unknown Author

    When Obama wrote a book and said he was mentored as a youth by Frank (Frank Marshall Davis) an avowed Communist,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When it was discovered that his grandparents, were strong socialists who sent Obama’s mother to a socialist school where she was introduced to Frank Marshall Davis. He was later introduced to young Barrack Hussein Obama.

    People said it didn’t matter.

    When people found out that Barrack Hussein Obama was enrolled as a Muslim child in school and his father and stepfather were both Muslims,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he wrote in another book he authored “I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he admittedly, in his book, said he chose Marxist friends and professors in college,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he traveled to Pakistan after college on an unknown national passport,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he sought the endorsement of the Marxist Party in 1996 as he ran for the Illinois Senate,

    people said it doesn’t matter.

    When he sat in a Chicago Church for twenty years and listened to a preacher spew hatred for America and preach black liberation theology,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When an independent Washington organization, that tracks Senate voting records, gave him the distinctive title as the “most liberal senator”,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When the Palestinians in Gaza set up a fund raising telethon to raise money for his election campaign,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When his voting record supported gun control,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan and Mummar Kadaffi and Hugo Chavez,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When his voting record in the Illinois senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he refused to wear a flag, lapel pin, and did so only after a public outcry,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he surrounded himself in the White house with advisors who were pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition,

    people said it didn’t matter..

    When he said he favors sex education in Kindergarten, including homosexual indoctrination,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco–a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist/Communist,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to “fundamentally transform this Nation” into something else,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he appointed cabinet members and several advisors who were tax cheats and socialists,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in “Explicit Consent,” harvesting human organs without family consent, and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual, and organizer of a group called gay, lesbian, straight, education network as Safe School Czar and it became known that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he appointed Mark Lloyd, as Diversity Czar, who believes in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth, who supports Hugo Chavez,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When Valerie Jarrett was selected as Obama’s Senior White House Advisor and she is an avowed Socialist,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person she turned to most for inspiration,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he appointed Carol Browner as Global Warming Czar, and her being a well known socialist working on Cap and trade as the nations largest tax,

    people said it doesn’t matter.

    When he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign when this was made known,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When Tom Daschle, Obama’s pick for health and human services secretary could not be confirmed, because he was a tax cheat,

    people said it didn’t matter..

    When as President of the United States , he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia ,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When his actions concerning the Middle-East seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel , our long time ally,

    people said it doesn’t matter.

    When he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States ,

    people said it doesn’t matter.

    When he upset the Europeans by removing plans for a missile defense system against the Russians,

    people said it doesn’t matter.

    When he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc.,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and ‘stating’ that he was raised a Muslim; was educated as a Muslim; and that he is still a Muslim,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade,

    people said it didn’t matter.

    When he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State, people finally woke up but it was too late.

  • BigMike

    Trump a Birther? Who would have thought it? Well good for him!

  • Aurelius 7

    I just about died laughing. Someone who had a real job, was really in the know, doesn’t play politics and isn’t a shill for either side clearly ran circles around the dimwitted political prostitutes.

  • Xander cross

    Obama did produce his birth certificate and his college records as well. You all really need to stop believing in everything Alex jones says. The fact that you all really believe that Donald trump is serious about being president is insane. After all, this is a guy that has been bailed out several times and I though you all were against government bailouts. Oh, I see why you all support trump. Because he is white, rich, and greedy. Just like most white Americans.

  • Ken

    Not “infobabes”, but “infowhores”.

  • Xander cross

    @ gutter economist. Where were you when bush was doing all of this? Where was the tea party when the military commissions act was passed? Where was you when the patriot act and free speech zones were passed. Bush and many republicans said that they are Christians and yet, they all are in many cult groups that worship moloch and death. Just come out and say it. You don’t like Obama because he is a different skin color than you. Michael scheuer played his part well because he convinced all of you that he is against the establishment when in fact he supports the republican party. It’s funny you all say that you don’t support the left and right parties but support anyone that is a republican like Ron Paul, Alex jones (who ran as a republican in Texas) donald trump (ran as an republican) this is after all, a republican website

  • http://www.OnlyWay.com David McElroy

    It would have been interesting to hear what cues the “Infobabes” were hearing in their earpieces from backstage controllers! As usual, when the interview strays from the approved “talking points” and candid remarks flow freely, the interview is ended!

    I wonder where Mr. Scheuer is now, and if he lived much longer after speaking his mind on TV? As they say, Freedom of the Press belongs to those who own the presses!

  • Rick

    Since when did CNN become Fox News? These female hosts were asking good questions until he started criticizing our public policy, then they went all Sean Hannity on him.
    Ridiculous, corporate news stinks.

  • A.S.

    The Cost of War in Iraq and Afghanistan:
    http://costofwar.com/en/

  • buck

    @ Xander cross…I don’t support the Republican Party. At the same time I don’t support the Democrat Party either. They both suck. When are you going to come to grips with the fact both major parties suck and they have proven that to me at least for the better part of my 57 years.

    The Patriot Act..a Bush thing…it sucks. Iraq invasion…it sucks. Libya invasion…it sucks. Let’s face it government is our worst enemy and those that cling to the false promises government offers could very well suck as well.

    I’ve not noticed this blog as being “Republican” so much. It basically outlines some good information why the day of reckoning is near and we can attribute that to both major parties. Just look what both majors have done with our allegience to crap products from China. Makes no difference whether Republican or Democrat they both suck!

    As far as Obama. Are you aware who this guy has associated with throughout his life. He associates with people that would prefer we completely dismantle COTUS. We have a communist/marxist in the White House. That was one big dupe of the public he pulled off.

  • lostinmissouri

    Xander Cross,

    Please provide the links to Barry’s birth certificate and college records, you say he has provided.

    Obama is a liar. He promised, as soon as swore in as president, to close Gitmo and immediately bring home the troops, from Bush’s “illegal wars”.

    He has not closed Gitmo, or ended the wars. How many boys has he killed today? Where are the war protesters, who were out there everyday, when Bush was president?

    I am amazed that you could still be a supporter of this clown.

    Please do not respond, that Barry wanted to do these things, but Congress won’t let him….when did he ever do anything, that he didn’t want to do? He doesn’t ask permission. He thinks he is king.

    It took almost 6 years, to convince me, that Bush, was the worst president ever. It only took 6 months, for me to give that title to BHO.

    my 15 cents…used to be 2.

  • http://n/a judybridges

    More information on the situation in Libya, and in truth/manipulation in the main stream media:

    “Our Man in Tripoli”: Islamic Terrorists Join Libya’s Pro-Democracy Opposition
    - by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky – 2011-04-03

    Truth, Propaganda and Media Manipulation
    - by Global Research – 2011-04-05

    “People Are Nuts” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFA0BqbJIDc

    The White Hats… Passing The Bar
    2011.mp4
    Go to http://www.TdarkCabal.Blogspot.com…read everything, watch the other videos and get busy calling your state representatives to SAVE America from these thieves…

  • pogue

    Xander, how far in orbit are you going to go? In case you didn’t know, criticizing a person who happens to be black, or even half-black in this case, does not automatically make a person racist. Actually, to claim you can’t critique a person because they’re black sounds sort of racist in itself.
    Try this one on for size,
    “It’s not that he’s black, it’s that he’s red!”

    As for Bush, I don’t remember him doing half the crap Obama has attempted, however I do remember him being born in the USA and having verifiable records. Why, even his playing hooky while on USAFR duty was reported. Read up on Obama some time to see what he has tried to keep secret. In case you didn’t know, presidents traditionally released their records, including health records, to the public. Klinton was the first exception, refusing to release his health records, which we all knew would confirm his incredible reputation as a coke fiend, among other things.

    I think your comments asking where people where when so-and-so did this or that are sort of fatuous. You ought to satisfied by the fact that we’re here now. As for the tea party, let me point out they only came into being after Obama began to wreck the country, specifically after Rick Santelli called for another tea party on 19 Feb, 2009.

    If you’re going to write this site off as a republican website, then why waste your time reading it and our time posting to it? I don’t think this is a republican site and, having worked with them, I don’t think most mainstream republicans would spend a minute here.

  • NObama 2012

    Xander, Obama hasn’t produced anything.
    Do you actually believe your own lies?

  • pogue

    Scheuer is right. We have no business in Libya. Sink or swim, it’s their problem, not ours. We’re already stuck in 2 conflicts in the region and we’re not really set up to do another. We’re also broke enough as it is. And finally, Qadaffi is a safer risk than a bunch of radicals.

    There’s no reason to support regime change in the middle east, since the risk is high the nutcases will take over. In the middle east, as I personally saw in Iraq, the hungriest people are going to be the ones who win. By that, I mean the folks willing to use force and terror to get what they want. In Egypt you can see it isn’t angry college kids who are building the new regime, but muslimaniacs like the muslim brotherhood.

    Only ignorant and uneducated people could really believe we’re going to bring democracy to the middle east. It has never, ever worked. For one, no one there has any experience with freedom and representative government. You can’t shoehorn so-called democracy into a place that has no experience with letting people exercise free will. Already we can see Egypt is forming religious police like those in Saudi Arabia.

    You also can’t replace Islam with a secular political system. It doesn’t work because Islam is a religion, judicial system, and political system all rolled up into one. Even secular Turkey is falling back into religious zealotry after less than 100 years of the Republic.

    If you want to replace Islam as the leading power, you need a tyrant, like Qadaffi, Hussein, or Mubarak to enforce it. The sad fact of the matter is the ignorant, poor masses of Fellahin in those countries only know their religion and they have no experience or interest in a world where they’re free to do what they want and left alone to make their own choices, good or bad. Liberate them from an oppressive ruler and they’ll be following their mullahs in no time.

    If you want a good idea of what we face there, watch the Secrets of the Dead NatGeo documentary about the Mumbai Massacre. One of the survivors related how she could use the tap in the bathroom for a drink of water, while her AK-47, grenade, and cell phone-wielding terrorist hostage taker couldn’t figure it out. Here’s a good muslim martyr who could master using small arms and hi-tech communications, but not the basics of hygiene and domestic life. That’s what we’re up against.

    After 10 years of war and over 30 years of problems with the middle east, I hope people are starting to see that perhaps it would be better if we did just get into wars directly over oil. I wish we had seized Iraq’s oil wells for ourselves. Hell, a lot of our problems would have been solved if we had just run off the Saudis in the 1930s when we found oil there.

    At least that kind of operation might have justified several thousand dead better than the nebulous ideal of democracy in Iraq. At this point, I would rather Saddam were still in power. At least he would be a good bulwark against Iran.

    Look up USMC Gen Smedley Butler’s pamphlet on war, WAR IS A RACKET!. Published after WWI, Butler announced his career fighting around the world in the USMC was a waste of time in which he really operated as a highly trained enforcer for US corporate interests. He realized his deployments were more or less in the name of fruit companies, oil, and mining interests, and forcing US trade, as well as insuring the big munitions and defense industries all got a nice fat profit out of other people’s deaths. While I’m no anti-war type, but hearing it from a decorated hero of 33 years of service means a lot. Take a look at what he said and see how appropriate it is now, 80 years later.

  • A Dodgy Bloke

    A couple of things Female on air personalities are not picked for their cranial firepower. There reasonably smart well educated but not what I would call four-dimensional thinkers.
    That said it’s refreshing to see somebody rip both parties, somebody once called the Democratic Party and the Republican Party a monster with one body and two heads.
    Also anybody who thinks the fiscal situation in the US is AOK has rocks in their heads. Am I the only one who thought the yellow top on the Brunette looked horrible?

  • A Dodgy Bloke

    I would also like to echo lost in Missouri, anybody how has links to Barry O’s Hospital generated long form birth certificate, his masters thesis, his billing records wile in private practice, his records while in the Illinois Senate, his collage records, his school records, his medical records, his pass port records, please supply them. I knew George Bush had hemorrhoids but I can’t read Barry O’s masters thesis. Is something wrong here?

  • Colin

    Barack Obama has produced his documents. If he hadn’t, he wouldn’t have been accepted as a nominee for president. Furthermore, for those who define President Obama as a Marxist or as a Socialist, are you capable of defining, and having that definition verified, for each of these positions? I doubt that many of you can. President Obama is a very conservative Democrat who thirty or forty years would have been identified as a Republican.

    While you are denouncing our president, you act as a tool of the wealthy in their drive to divide our society. This over-class is set on overturning the president for they want complete Republican control over our federal government. If you fear what our president is doing now, I fear what a complete Republican control of our government will produce. I fear the end of the labor movement. I fear the destruction of our environment. I fear living in dire poverty with no escape or hope. I fear that women will lose their rights. I fear that our infrastructure will become so dangerous to our health that one is safer to stay indoors than drive across a deteriorated bridge, or having to choose to move for one lives near a crumbling dam that could breach anytime.

    You have your fears, I have mine. President Obama and what he does is the least of my fears.

  • mondobeyondo

    Scheuer was telling the truth – the REAL reason why we are in Libya, that it was just another attempt at grabbing oil from an oil rich nation, and that America is bankrupt (loved how the infobabes tried to change/divert the subject!)

    Oh, but it IS “The American-led West”. America is the leader of the Western world. That is how the radical Islamists and Al-Qaeda see us. France and Britain may have taken over NATO’s military role, but – make no mistake (as Barack would say), America is calling the shots.

    Refreshing to see Scheuer didn’t get the MSM memo about “saying what we tell you to say”. The truth is, America IS for all intents and purposes, bankrupt. But the sheeple are not supposed to hear that. The really smart sheeple, who haven’t been brainwashed by MSM interviews such as this one, already know this nation is fiscally screwed.

  • pogue

    The one birth cert revealed online was proven to be fake a long time ago. According to the article I read, it was proven to be cobbled together from at least 2 authentic documents, but the state reportedly changes the document every few years to discourage forgeries. Not to leave out the fact that a cert of live birth is not a birth certificate. Those records will not be revealed, since Obama has reportedly spent millions to keep them sealed and anyone releasing them will be punished for violating his right to privacy.

    Read Obamanation if you want to get some of the story. There has never, ever been a man with less of a past. Even if you are a democrat, don’t you think your president should be above board with you? If you like the man, if he is that good, then why not reveal his past? What’s so vital about protecting his past? And why shouldn’t you get to know as much as you can about the man who would be king? Why wouldn’t you want to make an informed decision? How can you WANT to be ignorant?! Even if you like him, at least question his background. What if he’s just a really good motivational speaker and not a leader? Shouldn’t you know? If he is that good and if you do learn the truth, wouldn’t it let you shut all us disbelievers down forever? Why perpetuate this farce?

  • http://xcapekey.blogspot.com escapekey

    @ Xander cross

    Wheres obama’s college transcript/grade? Wheres his thesis? no where to be found….

    rebuke me you puke

  • buck

    @ pogue…that was a darn good opinion.

    Funny I never hear so called “Republicans” talking like that!

    I thought this a good link on the subject of Libya:

    Al Qaeda does US dirty work in Libya
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AubBU12uu0

  • philbert

    I call the CNN not anchors, but ancwhores.

    3 reasons why we’z in Libya:
    1) oil
    2) defense contracts
    3) focus on something beside all the other troubles.

    Howz come we not in Ivory Coast? They be killing their own people, just like momar.

  • Fud

    “For Obama to be able to get this far while keeping vast portions of his background a complete and total secret is absolutely mind blowing.”

    You don’t get it do you. For Obama to get this far….is proof positive he was placed in office by the TPTB. You still think there are free and open elections then you are a fool. Look at that absolutely brainless Sarah Palin running on the ticket with that old goat John Mccain. If he croaked she would have ended up president. President of the USA is a sock puppet position and ignorant and or unprincipled candidates are the only ones that get in.

  • tee jay
  • Arondell

    As far as Obama’s birth certificate is concerned FactCheck.org posted several high resolution images of it including the raised seal in an article on the subject. They also posted a scan of the original birth announcement. As well as comments from officials of the Hawaii Department of Health. As far as proof goes that is about as good as it gets.

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

  • Arondell

    Thats odd. I posted the link to the article with high definition pictures of the official Obama birth certificate on the factcheck.org website and it doesn’t seem to be here now. Well here goes a second try. The article also includes a scan of the birth announcement and commentary from officials in the Hawaii Department of Health.

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    If this one doesn’t stay up I’ll be assuming its been deleted.

  • Arondell

    Oh…My apologies. I didn’t catch the moderation.

  • nathen

    i understand why the ‘people said it didn’t matter’ author is unknown. i’d be embarrassed to put my name to that ‘poetry’ also. for one, liberal and marxist/socialist/communist are not the same thing; just as conservative and libertarian are not the same thing. educate thyself!

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  • Guido

    I’m sorry, but it is well known that a certificate of live birth, or COLB, and a birth certificate are not the same thing. Hawaii reportedly issues COLBs to anyone with a pulse, even those not born in Hawaii.

    There’s a guy online, whom I haven’t bothered to source, who performed forensic analysis of the photo and claims it’s a fake document cobbled from 2 or more other legitimate documents. According to him, this document has elements of documents that were issued in different years and had different security features in them.

    Personally, I found it interesting the document we’re shown is dated 2007. What happened to the original, real certificate issued upon his birth? Most people tend to keep that document.

    But that’s not the whole issue.

    You failed to address my genuine and passionate question why no one who supports Obama wants to know anything about him. McCain was grilled over his birth status, having been born in the Panama Canal Zone to military parents, but Obama received no such questioning. Don’t you want to know anything about the man? Many people like to know about their leaders and other celebrities’ biographies in order to learn from their examples. What makes a man? What choices did he make and how did he surmount the obstacles in his life? You don’t get that with Obama.

    Even his autobiography has been proven to be a fake. Style analysis has shown it was probably written by Ayers, who even admitted it jokingly once when asked by a curious passerby.

    So who is the man you support? And why don’t you know? And why shouldn’t we know? Why should the leader of our nation be an enigma? I don’t expect that in an open republic. He shouldn’t really be permitted to have a secret in his past if he expects us to grant him the chance to lead, yet the media and the democrats were more than happy to look the other way.

    Were I a democrat, I would want to know everything about my candidate to insure there wouldn’t be any major surprises or “bimbo eruptions” as there were with the last democrat president.

    I want to know everything about the next guy I vote for, especially after seeing what happens when people aren’t paying attention when they pull the lever, as happened in 2008.

  • Xander cross

    @Guido everyone has a colb including you and it’s all the same. I am really starting to wonder this site connection with Alex jones. I have a colb and I am a natural citizen and again, where was all of this when bush was president? This site gets a lot of it’s talking points from Alex jones.

  • Terry

    I love it when Obamamaniacs go crazy when questions are raised concerning him. It has always been my observation that people get maddest when they know they are wrong. It is fun to watch these people cling to the lie they want so desperatly to beleive.

  • xander cross

    @Gudio. John McCain did not ever produce his birth certificate. Also, as I have stated before, obama did produce his birth certificate and he is indeed a natural born citizen. The reason why so many of are against him is because deep within you all, you don’t like him because of his skin color. That is the truth of the matter. Speaking of citizens, I noticed you did not say anything when trump produced his fake birth certificate. Interesting.

  • Justa Guy

    It’s a very simple thing, really. Anyone who has nothing to hide should willingly produce i.d. when asked (for legitimate reasons, of course). Only people that are hiding something make excuses not to. When one becomes president, that individual has access to sensitive and secret information about our national security. We have a right to know if this person can be trusted, since all of our lives may depend on it. “Mr. Obama, can you show us your birth certificate?” response: “Uh…um…sorry, my dog ate it.”

  • Jacobo Saboldoski

    Let’s see.Obama gave 600 million to Palistienians.For peaceful purposes of course.
    Removed Egypt’s leader. Israels only ally in the Middle East and is now helping to remove Lybia’s leader.Once a Israel foe is put in power then Iran will start to make plans to wipe out Israel.
    Jacob

  • john w

    Does a president actually need to present us with a birth certificate? I may be wrong, but I think US law is as follows:

    If one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a US citizen if:

    the US citizen parent has been ‘physically present’ in the US before the child’s birth for a total of a least five years and at least two of the five years were after the US citizen parent’s fourteenth birthday.

    That would make BHO an American citizen. The birth certificate is irrelevant.

  • Guido

    I made an error. Upon re-examination, I was incorrect. Hawaii has a long form and short form of birth certificate. They’re both birth certificates, but they are different. One has minimal information, while the other is the actual documentation of birth a doctor fills out upon birth. The other one appears to be a document of convenience, as opposed to the real document of birth that my state and the feds have required me to present over the years.

    I won’t claim Obama was born overseas, or never born at all, but I will claim the situation of a president who can’t or won’t provide his original birth certificate is unusual. Why not provide it and be done with all the controversy? It’s a tempest in a teapot that could be silenced with the truth. All these people out there would be proven crackpots if he released his birth certificate and his private records.

    Obama’s produced a short form birth cert, however many people have found issue with it, since it appears to be different in different pictures, flat and uncreased and unstamped in the original shots released by the campaign, vs. the creased and folded one with the stamp on the Kos site. Forensic photo analysis of it by several individuals has raised troubling questions about the legitimacy of this document.

    The legitimacy of this document is especially troubling, since Hawaii permits you to register a birth a year after live birth, plus you can provide information to them for foreign-born and adopted individuals and later request a birth certificate from the state. Again, this document appears to be a document of convenience for purposes of establishing ID, but it does not necessarily seem to prove where you were born. Look at it-it doesn’t have much more info than your DOB, name, and race. It doesn’t even say what hospital you were born in. (So far, sources differ on which hospital he was born it.)

    There are examples of long form birth certificates online from the same period of Obama’s birth that reveal just what we should see. If you believe what Obama has written in his own book, he has a copy of the original long form certificate somewhere.

    I’m curious where it is and what is on it. The Hawaiian governor has backed away from claims he will find Obama’s birth certificate. Some officials have claimed they do not have it because all paper documents were destroyed in 2000, while other officials have claimed they have it on record, but are not permitted to release it. I find it very interesting that 2 different Hawaiian hospitals have claimed credit for delivering Obama. Kapiolani hospital has claimed Obama was born there, and even presented a letter from Obama stating the same, but he has personally claimed he was born at Queen’s Medical Center. The state of Hawaii also refused to verify that the Obama short form certificate presented by Kos and Factcheck is authentic, which seems strange.

    So I admit I made an error. My bad. The facts still stand, however, that we don’t know anything about this man and he is doing nothing to reveal his past.

    Again, why do leftists not want to know anything about their president? Why don’t you want to know anything about him, where he came from, what he’s done, and what he thinks? Why don’t you want to see his grades, his residences, his health records, or anything else? I’ve been told he’s the smartest president ever, but how am I supposed to know if his grades and performance are concealed from me? Shouldn’t we be able to read his university theses? What about his papers from law school? Certainly, those would be useful in establishing his legal mind.

    If he’s such a great man, isn’t it worth access to his past to know what made him great? And isn’t it worth learning what wrongs or rights he’s done? Perhaps he’s overcome addiction? Or racism? Or crippling personal problems from his absentee mother and father? Maybe he came up with a great personal growth plan that made him what he is today. These are the things that fill the pages of biographies about other great men. Why no access to his past?

    You’ll never know if you don’t ask, but you don’t seem to want to know. Why is that? And why are the rest of us bad people for asking? I can read about the Clintons or Reagan or either Bush or Carter or any of a number of leaders, thinkers, doers, and heroes, but not about the current president.

    It doesn’t make sense and it really is an injustice for the leader of our country to be so secretive. I can be secretive-I’m a private citizen. He’s the leader of our nation and shouldn’t have privacy to hide behind. All the leftists I’ve ever met thought they were very smart people, but how smart can you be if you willfully avoid learning a truth that might not be perfect?

    BTW-Xander, Congress found McCain to be a natural born American citizen. He was born to 2 US citizen parents on a US military facility in a then-US possession, namely the Panama Canal Zone in 1936. His birth cert was signed by a US Navy Captain whose name has been verified as serving at the base hospital at that time.

    Xander, there’s no justification or evidence to support the charge that we’re all racists if we disagree with a person of a different race. If Obama’s half-black, does that mean we’re half-racist? Or are you just half-wrong? I don’t know how you can logically claim no one can ever disagree with a person of a different race, lest they be racist. That’s insane. Does that make Jesse Jackson or Obama racist for disagreeing with a white person? I’m just curious of whites can call them racist, too?

    Again, it’s not that he’s black; it’s that he’s red.

    Are you really going to try and invalidate the entire controversy around Obama by pointing to Trump? Ok, Trump stated he’s born in NYC and provided a hospital-generated certificate and got dinged for it. We’ll see what happens, but at this point he’s not even a candidate. And he hasn’t been elected president and refused to provide any of his documents at this point. And Trump at least has a verifiable history going back many years, as opposed to the enigma in office now. I’m not a Trump supporter, but he seems a little more legit than the current office holder.

  • tee jay

    Who does the president have to show his original birth certificate to? Every citizen?

    Nothing like the power of propaganda :)

  • guido

    He doesn’t need to darken my doorstep, but there is this thing we call the press that are supposed to be asking questions and writing down the answers. And there’s this really complicated interconnected network of computers called the interweb where many of us could probably just view it if we wished.

    I do believe he could have been asked about it by congress or the press, were they doing their job, and investigated.

    I dunno if you know what it takes to get a security clearance in the USA, but it requires a great deal of paperwork and hundreds of questions about your background, where you’ve lived, worked, who your friends and family are, where you went to school, and your finances.

    For a Secret clearance, they only require you to tell them about the last 5 years, but if you want a higher clearance, you have to go back 10 years.

    You have to disclose everything, too. If they feel like you’re not honest, or if they have more questions, an investigator comes to ask you more. They also ask your friends and family and neighbors and others about you. They look into your criminal and bank records and taxes, too. Depending on the agency, they can even go to the lie detector.

    Now, this system is used with soldiers, gov civilians, and others hoping to gain access to classified information and facilities. Do you think a guy hoping to lead the entire nation should also be at least as forthcoming about his life as the people he will lead? He’s going to be in charge of nuclear weapons and whatnot, but we can’t ask him who he is and where he came from? There’s something about this that seems wrong, but I can’t seem to put my finger on what it is…

  • burnsey

    @ xander cross
    I find it disgusting when people like you try to turn things into a race issue. Politicians get attacked all the time for all sorts of reasons, that is just politics. He has the power to shut the birthers up once and for all by showing everyone his full certificate but he chooses not to. May be he wants his opponents to be distracted by a non issue.

  • Xander cross

    Obama already showed his birth certificate and college records. Some of you must be on Alex jones payroll and he himself knows that obamas birth certificate is real. So you naysayers are telling me that there is a conspiracy and that somehow everyone is in on it many years before Obama is born? This is the problem with you all, the truth is never good for all of you because there is always some mysterious theory or group that controls everything and somehow because Obama is black, you think he is not an American.

    I have a question for all of you, who contol the so called the “globalist”? Is Alex jones working with them or the author of this article? is 9/11 really an inside job as many of you believe? Is Ron Paul really a patriot?

  • Julia

    This is for all the posters here who actually believe that Obama displayed his birth certificate online. When the document was first displayed it listed his race as “African-American.” Well, this is just not a term that was used in 1961! The only choices were White, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian, Part-Hawaiian and Other non-white. Neither African nor African-American existed as official race codes until 2003. The person who created this forgery was obviously not old enough to a) Remember this or b) Do good historical research.

    When I returned to the site several months later I was bemused to find that the “official birth certificate” had been altered and now listed his race as “Negro.” And the point here is not his race – I’m a democrat and I even stupidly voted for the man, so I share the blame for what he is doing to our country. The point is that we elected a serial liar whose first official act was to bar his personal records from view for 20 years and has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars so far to keep these records hidden. I shudder to think what he’s hiding because what exists in plain sight is plenty bad enough for me! If we have any further elections in this country you can be sure that I for one will do my due diligence to research all candidates!

  • Julia

    To tee jay: you know who the president has to show his birth certificate to? To his own party (In this case the Democratic National Committee (DNC)), the Federal Election Commission (FEC), and to the Secretary of State in his primary state of residence. In each state the Secretary of State is in charge of examining a potential presidential candidate’s eligibility for office according to constitutional and requirements.

    First Obama was supposed to be vetted by the DNC. The problem is, Nancy Pelosi, at the culmination of the 2008 DNC in Colorado, signed 49 altered nomination certificates nominating Obama and Biden as the constitutionally eligible Presidential Candidate and Vice Presidential Candidates for the DNC. Only one was signed correctly – the one destined for the state of Hawaii. The problem? She omitted a strategic clause. This clause was present on each of the 50 vetting statements that were given to John McCain, and he was vetted thoroughly.

    Nancy Pelosi, as head of the DNC signed two slightly different statements, one complete and one altered by the omission of a specific clause. The correct document stated:

    “This is to certify that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution.”

    This version was signed by John McCain and the head of the Republican National Committee. There is a different version however, which omitted these words: “Pelosi left out the following: “and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution.” The altered version was sent to the Secretary of State of Hawaii.

    Doesn’t it bother all of you just an teensy bit how much this administration has lied and tried to cover up the truth? If you have such great faith in the vetting process, how did Obama’s czars ever make it through? Van Jones was an ex-con who was forced to resign. Timothy Gaithner has several years of tax evasion on his records. The very existence of czars is unconstitutional as they are appointed by, enlisted political power by and overseen by one man. This is not a republic any more. A republic cannot exist with a strongman executive.

  • Xander Cross

    @Julia. Gee, where was all of this when bush was president? I don’t recall you compaining about the EPA director who said that the air was safe to breathe during 9/11. How about the so called mission acomplished banner? Funny, I did not hear any of this from you or the so called tea party. Interesting. But, yes, obama is indeed a Natural born citizen and yes, even alex jones don’t buy into the birther conspiracy. That alone tells you something. Not even Ron Paul believes in the birther theory and the only reason donald trump believes in it because he just trying you get all of you to vote for him. Once again, as homer simpson would say (HA HA HA suckers)

  • Mary Markin

    (1) Obama has spent at least two million dollars to hide his birth certificates and other records. (2) A birth certificate and a certification of live birth are two different documents with two different meanings. (3) Obama’s school records have not been released. (3) I like the analogy for the two major political parties that calls them two wings of the same corrupt bird.

  • Aussie Observer

    @Xander Cross, why do you consistently refer to Alex Jones? No-one else here has so much as referenced him, yet you mention him in every post. Admittedly, some of his ideas are “out there”, but your attempt to re-inforce the amalgamation of the ideas of the fringe dwelling conspiracists with legitimate questions about one of the most influential persons in the world, is just blatantly obvious. I think you are a government spook here to blur the lines deliberately between reality and hard core conspiracy theory. That’s my 1.97 cents. (Ours is bigger than yours!)

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