The Incredible Story Of How Kim Kardashian’s Ancestors Escaped The Armenian Genocide

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Kim Kardashian - Photo by David ShankboneBetween 1915 and 1917, 1.5 million Armenians (most of them Christians) were slaughtered by the Turks.  Armenians were systematically abducted, tortured and marched to their deaths just because of who they were and what they believed.  At one point, 60,000 corpses were found in a single mass grave.  It was one of the greatest genocides in history, but it didn’t end in 1917.  Between 1920 and 1923, Turkey either deported or wiped out almost all of the Armenians that had survived the first wave of persecution.  This genocide was one of the most horrifying examples of how evil humanity can be, and yet to this day the U.S. government continues to refuse to call it a “genocide”.  Because of the sensitive nature of our relationship with the Turkish government, Barack Obama absolutely will not use the “g word” when speaking of what happened to the Armenians.  And as I wrote about the other day, Obama also seems to care very little about the Christian genocide that is going on in parts of the Middle East controlled by ISIS today.  But whether Obama ever recognizes the Armenian genocide or not, it is vitally important that the world remembers what happened to those precious people.  One very prominent celebrity that is leading the call to remember the Armenian genocide is Kim Kardashian.  In this article, I am going to share the story of how her ancestors were able to escape the genocide.  I promise you, it is a story that you are not likely to ever forget.

 

If you are not familiar with the Armenian genocide, the following is a pretty good summary of what happened from the Washington Post

One hundred years ago, in April 1915 as World War I raged across Europe, the government of the Ottoman Empire attacked its Armenian citizens. Over the next several years, it is estimated that as many as 1.5 million Armenians died. Able-bodied men were murdered or enslaved as forced labor in the army, and hundreds of thousands of women, children, the infirm and the elderly were marched into the Syrian desert to face death.

Supported by the Young Turks, an ultranationalist party that approved systematic deportation, abduction, torture, massacre and the expropriation of Armenian wealth, the German-allied Ottoman government used the excuse of war to initiate the forcible removal of Armenians from Armenia and Anatolia where they had lived for centuries.

But there is one fact in that article which is wrong.

The Armenians had not just been living there for centuries.  They had been living there for thousands of years.

In fact, Armenia was the very first Christian nation on the entire planet.  Shortly after the time of Christ, the early apostles visited Armenia and the gospel was eagerly accepted.  Many of the Armenian people actually had roots in ancient Israel, and many of them were still familiar with what the Hebrew Scriptures said about the coming of a Messiah.  Very quickly, Armenia was transformed into one of the early hubs of the Christian faith.

And Armenia remained strongly Christian for the most part up until the time of the Armenian genocide.  The Turks hated the Armenians (and still d0) and were determined to wipe them out.  This included the elderly, women and chidlren

“Rape and beating were commonplace,” wrote acclaimed historian David Fromkin in his Pulitzer Prize-winning book on the Ottoman Empire’s downfall, A Peace to End All Peace. “Those who were not killed at once were driven through mountains and deserts without food, drink or shelter. Hundreds of thousands of Armenians eventually succumbed or were killed.”

An Armenian man in Istanbul, who as a schoolboy discovered his family was Armenian, told The WorldPost one story passed down to him by his parents: His grandfather, too exhausted to walk any farther in the death march toward the Syrian desert, refused to go on. He would rather drown than walk another mile to his death, he told the Turkish Ottoman guards. And so, the man says, they held his grandfather under the water until he was dead.

Sadly, much of the world continues to refuse to recognize this genocide.

This includes the United States government.

Could you imagine a president refusing to acknowledge the Holocaust?

Well, that is essentially what Obama is doing when he refuses to recognize the genocide that took place in Armenia.  The reason why Obama will not acknowledge the Armenian genocide is because he doesn’t want to offend the Turks

If President Obama decided to label the 1915 killings as genocide, already strained relations would likely only worsen with Turkey, where the United States has an important air base in the south, close to Syria. Turkey and the U.S. government have butted heads over the Syrian crisis, with a U.S.-led coalition targeting solely Islamic State extremists, while Turkey insists military efforts must also focus on bringing down Syria’s Bashar Assad.

There are not words to describe what a disgrace this is.

Fortunately, there were some Armenians that were able to flee before the genocide.  Among them were the Armenian ancestors of Kim Kardashian.  The following comes from the Daily Mail

Known at the time as the Kardaschoffs, in Russian style, the family made their way from their home village of Karakale in the late 19th Century to German ports. From there, they travelled to a new life in America on the passenger vessels SS Brandenberg and SS Koln.

By doing so, they escaped the triple horror of the First World War from 1914-18, the ‘Armenian Genocide’ starting in 1915 – exactly a century ago this year – and the Russian Revolution in 1917.

So how did they know to leave?

Well, if you can believe this, Kim Kardashian’s ancestors actually belonged to a group of Christians known as the Molokans, and they fled Armenia and came to America due to a warning from an Armenian Christian prophet named Efim Klubnikin

In the first years of the 20th century, Efim renewed the warning that he made to stunned believers in Karakale as a child, saying his premonition was now coming to pass.

‘Efim called a meeting, he invited the elders from all the Molokan villages including the two elders of the Armenian Molokan church. He prophesied this was the time for them to leave Russia as there were terrible times coming, especially for the Armenians,’ said Ms Keosababian-Bivin.

Thanks to this warning, large numbers of Armenians left their ancestral homes and were able to escape the horrors that were coming.  Here is more from the Daily Mail

America was, he said, ‘a land of the living’ while mass slaughter would engulf their homeland.

Presciently, he urged them to go quickly – as he himself would do – and cautioned: ‘The doors will close, and leaving Russia will be impossible.’

Many families sold up their homes and land at knockdown prices, or simply fled, to escape the coming horrors.

It is substantially due to the prophecy that many of Kim’s forebears came to Los Angeles, a city where the clan thrived and made their name.

But many were jeered as they left Karakale, now known as Merkez Karakale, and mocked for their belief in the prophesy of coming doom.

And don’t we see a similar thing happening today?

Those that are trying to warn Americans about what is coming are often jeered and ridiculed.

But if Kim Kardashian’s ancestors had not listened to the warning that they received, they probably would have been slaughtered with the rest of the Armenians and Kim Kardashian would not be alive right now.

So the next time that you see something on the Internet about Kim Kardashian, you will know that there is a whole lot more to her story than just fashion, television shows and money.  Her family history is deeply rooted in one of the most persecuted groups of people in the history of the planet, and the story of how her ancestors escaped the Armenian genocide is quite incredible.

 
  • DJohn1

    God’s ways are not our ways.

    • Richard

      So I think the moral of the story here, Michael (if you are reading this) is, as I’ve said before, (and also once again today on your other blog) PLEASE STOP PREDICATING YOUR COMMENTS ON WHETHER WE CAN BELIEVE THEM OR NOT.
      Thank you.

  • im4truth4all

    Actually, it was a genocide of Christians by muslums.

    • Mark

      Wrong again. The Young “Turks” who perpetrated the genocide were disproportionately… “Jews.”

    • Mark

      The censorship tells an honest man what he needs to know.

  • Richard

    “Well, if you can believe this, Kim Kardashian’s ancestors actually belonged to a group of Christians known as the Molokans,”
    Who did they belong to if I can’t believe this? And what if some of us can but others can’t believe this? What then?

    • rmc9

      …just go back to your drink…

      • Jim Davis

        or bong!

    • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

      You know what I can’t believe? The psychos that comment on this blog. Denying the holocaust? Blaming the Jews for starting WWII? Where does one even begin to refute THAT?

      • RageHard84

        I honestly don’t know. I don’t get why this and other blogs I’ve been on have people like that. However, there is a silver lining – it helps confirm that conservatives aren’t racist because they debate racists.

        • Mark

          Even conservatives notice the trend:

          Israel’s Information Ops
          By Philip Giraldi • August 20, 2014
          theamericanconservative dot com/articles/israels-information-ops/

      • Mark

        You know what I do believe?
        That people (even tag teams) are paid to push tribal hasbara. Evidence:

        ‪Israel is paying internet workers to
        manipulate online content
        youtube dot com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c

        Israel To Pay Students For Pro-Israeli Social Media Propaganda
        ‪huffingtonpost dot co dot uk/2013/08/14/israel-pay-students-propaganda_n_3755782.html

        Israel to pay students to defend it online
        ‪usatoday dot com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/

        Hasbara Spam Alert; Israel’s Campaign For
        ‘Positive’ Internet Spin
        Richard Silverstein — The Guardian
        the guardian dot com/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media

        ISRAEL HIRES INTERNET SOLDIERS
        Saturday, July 18th, 2009
        rinf dot com/alt-news/contributions/israeli-hires-internet-soldiers/6148/

        etc. etc.

        • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

          I don’t blame them particularly, considering all the anti-Israel propaganda being spewed out there: for instance, Israel being singled out as a violator of women’s rights by the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women. By the way, Mark, I’m just curious: what turned you into such a virulent anti-Semite? Do you have a Jewish background?

          • Mark

            When you are among the worst s e x-slavers and traffickers in children, why complain you are “singled out”?

            Israel among worst human traffickers
            by Ruth Eglash, The Jerusalem Post

            jpost dot com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=19974

          • Mark

            Then, as now:

            1835: Jews buying, training & selling children as s e x-slaves
            winstonsmithministryoftruth dot blogspot dot com/2011/10/jews-buying-training-selling-children.html

            1811: More Jews buying & selling child s e x-slaves
            winstonsmithministryoftruth dot blogspot dot com/2011/10/more-jews-buying-selling-child-sex.html

            1917-1920: Child pro stitution in Judeo-Bolshevik Russia
            winstonsmithministryoftruth dot blogspot dot com/2012/03/child-prostitution-in-jewish-bolshevik.html

            Jews & child pro stitution in early 20th century
            winstonsmithministryoftruth dot blogspot dot com/2011/11/germany-1913-jews-selling-children-as.html

          • Mark

            Amusing name-calling. In these times when even the laziest person can check facts from their easy chair, the magic epithet has lost its mojo.

            I’m just curious: what turned you into such a virulent denier of verifiable evidence?

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            All you do is select a few facts to bolster your unreasonable opinion, and then ignore all contradictory evidence. What about the policies that Israel has instituted in order to assist human trafficking victims in recent years? Don’t bother to mention that, do you? So again, are you Jewish? I’d really like to know.

          • Mark

            “All you do is” make up phony excuses on the fly.

            S ex-slavery and Israel’s failure to fight the growing trade
            by Emile Tayyip, Global Research, November 29, 2007
            “Last year, the United Nations named Israel as one of the main destinations in the world for trafficked women, according to the BBC. Israel has also been named as an offender in the annual U.S. State Department‘s Trafficking in Persons (Tip) report, which condemned the Jewish state for not fully complying with the “minimum standards” to eliminate s ex-trafficking…”
            global research dot ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7487

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            I looked up several sources on this matter to find out which countries had the worst human trafficking records, and the same names kept popping up:Thailand, Malaysia, Qatar, Nepal, Ghana, China, Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka. Israel was not mentioned even once. By the way, the U.S. State Department gave Israel a Tier 1 rating on the matter in 2013, meaning that Israel is considered to be fully compliant with the minimum standards of the Trafficking Victims’ Protection Act.

          • Mark

            Part of the problem, as noted in one of my “comment deleted” posts, is that the Israelis are INTERNATIONAL slavers.

            Just as the synagogue conveniently misidentifies Young “Turks” and “Russian” mafia, it is “dual citizens” who run most of the international slave trade. Sure, there are slavers in Thailand, but numerous studies have labeled Israel as “among the worst.”

            For DECADES Israel has been Tier 3 and the tribe has been “among the worst” for CENTURIES, precisely as the 19th century data links provided. For a year or two Israel has finagled a Tier 1 rating from its US colony—largely by shifting their slavery to other nations.

          • Mark

            Here’s the first edition of a book written by the son of the former Chief Rabbi of Rome. While the book’s main documentation centers on the Ashkenazi ritual murder cult in the Middle Ages, the rabbi’s son treats Jewish dominance in slavery, prostitution, extortion, loan-sharking, and murder-for-hire as completely non-controversial.
            bloodpassover dot com

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Okay, your opinion is not going to be swayed, but I am posting this for the benefit of others who may visit this site.
            Jews comprise about .25% of the world’s population. Here are the percentages of Nobel prizes that have been awarded to Jewish and half-Jewish individuals
            9% of peace
            13% of literature
            26% of physics
            27% of medicine
            39% of economics

          • Mark

            And that factoid excuses their genocide and their Master Race creed? Go figure.

            Globalist murderer Obama and Nelson Mandela, infamous for his “necklacing” (lighting gasoline soaked tires placed around the necks of his enemies), also won Nobel prizes.

            Einstein won a Nobel prize. Even though his plagiarism is well-documented and even though the Special and General Theories of Relativity contradict each other about the speed of light, the Jewish-owned media touted his work, not the work of the seminal originators.

            From these examples, I infer that Nobel prizes are agenda-driven, tribal-biased, and have little, if any, relevance to objective standards of morality or excellence.

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Look, I’m not going to deny that Jews have been involved in the slave trade, criminal gangs, fraud, and all sorts of nefarious activities. But so what? So have Christians, Muslims, and others; in every group of people you will find some bad actors. But to characterize Jews as a whole as criminals working against humanity, who believe in a “master race creed” is just patently false. I only brought up the Nobel prizes to demonstrate the positive contributions that Jews have made to society; you may prove that a few have been undeserving (I don’t understand why Obama won the prize; he didn’t actually accomplish anything other than win an elected position) , but some of those winners actually made a worthwhile discovery which has some useful benefit for humankind.

          • Mark

            (1) Judaism is indeed a Master Race creed that (a) teaches only Jews are human, (b) exhorts genocide (“Kill even the best of the Gentiles”), and (c) MANY Jews have acted out the genocidal exhortations, including the Armenian genocide that started this discussion. Evidence that these are PERVASIVE teachings and that MILLIONS have died because of these teachings, not merely a couple of cherry-picked examples, is assembled here:

            abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/board/17/judaism-101

          • Mark

            (2) I will NOT defend Islam.

            (3) I will defend Christianity, specifically Catholicism.

            (4) I will NOT defend WICKED Catholics or their crimes, but recognize that the evil done by catholics is done AGAINST Catholic teaching. Catholicism has no analog to Judaism’s “Kill even the best of the Gentiles.”

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            There’s a Catholic church half a mile from my home. If I were to take your comments there and show them to the priest, how much do you want to bet he’d say you’re a disturbed individual and that your views are grossly unchristian?

          • Mark

            If he is a Catholic priest who adheres to the 2,000 year old Faith, then he will agree with me and try to convert you :-) If he is part of the 50-year-old Judeo-Protestantized “Novus Ordo” (New Ordo), he is as much a defector from Jesus Christ as the Pharisees.

          • Mark

            If he is a Novus Ordo heretic, show him the infallible teaching of the Council of Florence:

            Council of Florence: “§ 712 It [the Holy Catholic Church] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to Divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the Sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors….

            “§714 The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, and heretics, and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil, and his angels,’ (Matthew 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, alms deeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

            Cantate Domino, from the infallible ecumenical Council of Florence under His Holiness Pope Eugene IV defining the Solemn Doctrine: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, promulgated by papal bull, February 4, 1444 [Florentine calendar] in Denzinger Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, § 712-714

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Quote anything from the Talmud that is as perverted as this, and I will have to give you credit.

          • Mark

            “If a boy under the age of nine perpetrated sodomy upon an adult, the adult is not liable for punishment, for the intercourse of a boy under nine years of age is not legally an act of intercourse. Since a child less than nine years old cannot commit sodomy, he can also not be the object of sodomy….This Baraita supports Rav, for it teaches that if a man engaged in homosexual intercourse with a child under the age of nine, he is exempt from liability.”
            Sanhedrin 54b

            “…intercourse with a boy under nine years old is not considered a significant sexual act…”
            Ketubot 11b

          • Mark

            At tractate Yebamoth 63a the Torah teaches that “Adam had intercourse with all the beasts and animals” in the Garden of Eden. At tractate Gittin 69b the Torah teaches that the cure of a catarrh is to “take the excrement of a white dog kneaded with balsam.” Then, of course, the rabbis still perform their oral circumcision ritual Mezizah b’peh on little boys, sometimes causing the death of innocent babies.
            traditioninaction dot org/bkreviews/ImagesA/A_043_Suck.jpg

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            As if priestly pedophilia were anything new. Voltaire was repeatedly sodomized by the Jesuits in charge of his education ( kind of turned him against the Church, in fact)

          • Mark

            As I said, wicked Catholics act AGAINST Cathoiic teaching.

            These rabbis, however, act ACCORDING TO their “Oral Torah”:
            iamthewitness dot com/listeners/Jewish.child.molesters.that.are.never.on.the.NEWS-WHY.htm

            “If a boy under the age of nine perpetrated sodomy upon an adult, the adult is not liable for punishment, for the intercourse of a boy under nine years of age is not legally an act of intercourse. Since a child less than nine years old cannot commit sodomy, he can also not be the object of sodomy….This Baraita supports Rav, for it teaches that if a man engaged in homosexual intercourse with a child under the age of nine, he is exempt from liability.”
            Sanhedrin 54b

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Let me state first that Judaism does not condone pedophilia. There has been some media attention recently on sexual abuse of children in some Orthodox Jewish communities (there is no evidence , by the way, that suggests that rape and molestation of children occur more often in Jewish communities than in the general population). In these cases, unfortunately, cover-ups and denial were problematic. But not even in the most traditional communities is anyone using the Talmud to justify the exploitation and abuse of children. Rather, the concept of mesirah- the teaching that Jew must not turn another Jew over to non-Jewish authorities- came into play to discourage reporting the abuse.Also the fact that these communities are close-knit, and that kids are taught to respect adults: this may have made them more vulnerable to a predatory adult. But nobody in these communities is saying that the abuse is okay.
            As for Sanhedrin 54b, the context is a discussion on the difference between active and passive sodomy and under which circumstances should an individual be considered guilty; one modern commentary I came across explains that this would prevent young boys from being punished for being victims of sodomy. I have to admit that I don’t know much else about this; I will have to ask a rabbi.
            Furthermore, about the Talmud in general, I have a quotation from Rabbi Tovia Singer, head of Outreach Judaism (on the difficulty of understanding the Talmud and its vulnerability to abuse): “the Talmud is written cryptically. Meaning you have thoughts that are simply missing. The Talmud is essentially a scholarly work and there’s a presupposition that the person studying it either is already a scholar or is studying at the feet of a master who is a scholar and therefore huge thoughts are simply missing from the literature”
            Here’s another thought from a publication of the Anti-Defamation League: “Those who attack the Talmud frequently cite ancient rabbinic sources without noting subsequent developments in Jewish thought, and without making a good-faith effort to consult with contemporary Jewish authorities who can explain the role of these sources in normative Jewish thought and practice”

          • Mark

            Liars “state” many things, but plain and simply—as I have quoted verbatim and every honest person may verify—the Oral Torah (Talmud) EXCUSES pedophilia. Worse still, Judaism teaches that a person who reports a Jewish pedophile to the authorities should be KILLED.

            A scanned page of the Torah and links to the rabbis’ recent “kill the informant” rulings are here:
            abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3719/adults-torah-on

          • Mark

            Contrary to your claim, the Torah text absolves the perpetrator, not the child victim.

            In the links I have provided, there are contemporary examples that debunk the ADL’s claim that these perverted teachings are mere anachronisms.

            As for consulting a rabbi to find the truth, I quote Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, Nasi of the Sanhedrin: “Rabbis are liable to alter their words, and the accuracy of their statements is not to be relied upon.” The Talmud: The Steinsaltz Edition, Vol. II, pp. 48-49. More on lying:
            abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3754/torah-permits-lies

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            This has been a very interesting conversation. I wish to thank you, Mark, for kindling an interest within me to study the Talmud. My last response to you will be of a rather personal nature. I was a Catholic until about age 14. And faithful too; I attended Mass with neither requirement nor encouragement from my parents and prayed the rosary every day. But then I came under the influence of a girlfriend at school who introduced me to a evangelical , Protestant form of Christianity which I adhered to for some years. Sometime later in life, after being dissatisfied with Christianity, I converted to Judaism. So when you tell me about the Jewish religion condoning pedophilia, and the Jews starting world wars, and the Holocaust being a myth; I know very well that it’s simply not so. Because I know enough of Jews and Judaism to know better. What attracted me from the start was the crystal-clear logic and calm reasonableness of Jewish thought. And I’ve met Holocaust survivors; heard and read their stories. No one could go to shul every week, hear the Torah, and conclude that Jews are a superior “Master Race”. Because throughout the Hebrew scriptures, it is made clear that the Hebrews- though chosen for a special purpose- are no better than anyone else. Even the great Biblical characters of old are depicted as the human beings they were: flaws and all. You could probably pick through any religion’s writings or bad examples and draw a wrong conclusion. People often do that regarding Christian evangelicals; but I tell you, I have been among those people and have known them- and I can truly say they are far from bigoted, intolerant, self-righteous, or arrogant. Rather, they are the meekest people upon the face of the earth. Your ideas about Jews are not based in reality: you entertain in your mind a spectre; some sinister apparition. I don’t know why, and you won’t tell me. Anyway, I wish you well.

          • Mark

            Your personal story is a sad one. Please read these verses:
            2 Peter 2:20-22
            drbo dot org/chapter/68002.htm
            I will keep your reversion to the Faith in our family Rosary intentions.

            We agree that no people have a claim to impeccable behavior. That said and at the risk of being argumentative, only the Catholic Faith has no internal contradictions. Protestantism has numerous internal contradictions. Judaism’s salient internal contradiction is the claim of following God’s Law while at the same time claiming authority for the rabbis to nullify God’s Law.

            Three things doom your attempts to exculpate the SS: (1) their “holy books”, (2) history, and (3) current events.

            I have provided you with numerous research leads and, unless you condemn yourself by remaining in deep denial, God’s grace can bring you home again. One caveat: Since the phony “second” Vatican Council, subversion and perversion abound. A “Catholic” sign on the door is no longer a guarantee of authentic Catholicism.

          • Mark

            So, as it usually goes, now that you are shooting blanks, you have to resort to name-calling innuendo.

            It is no coincidence that the tactic you choose, pretending that political or religious opposition is a mental illness, is a tactic perfected in the Judeo-Communist Lubyanka and gulags.

          • Mark

            (5) It is a phony straw man argument to pretend that I or anyone else here has “characterize[d] Jews as a whole as criminals working against humanity.”

          • Mark

            (6) YOUR problem (in struggling to exculpate their every evil) and OUR problem (in suffering the evil) is this—No matter how many “Jews” reject Judaism’s fundamental Master Race genocide and do nice things, there have been a SUFFICIENT number who EMBRACE that creed—the very same creed that Jesus Christ condemned—and act IN ACCORD with that creed AND have instigated wars, revolutions, and genocided about a quarter BILLION PEOPLE and ENSLAVED BILLIONS to debt slavery, etc.

            It is NOT that they ALL do it; it is that TOO MANY have succeeded in their crimes against humanity, surpassing the malefactors of all other creeds by orders of magnitude, all of the evil inspired by a wicked creed that Jesus Christ condemned:

            abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3701/jesus-apostles-saints-doctors-popes

          • Mark

            (7) God judged THEM and warned us about THEM, not Muslims, in hundreds of verses.

            One can only marvel that so many self-identified “Christians” and “Bible believers” ignore God to instead believe the Pharisees and do the synagogue of Satan’s work.

          • Mark

            (6) YOUR problem (in struggling to exculpate their every evil) and OUR problem (in suffering the evil) is this—No matter how many “Jews” reject Judaism’s fundamental Master Race genocide and do nice things, there have been a SUFFICIENT number who EMBRACE that creed—the very same creed that Jesus Christ condemned—and act IN ACCORD with that creed AND have instigated wars, revolutions, and genocided about a quarter BILLION PEOPLE and ENSLAVED BILLIONS to debt slavery, etc.

            It is NOT that they ALL do it; It is that TOO MANY have succeeded in their crimes against humanity, surpassing the malefactors of all other creeds by orders of magnitude, all of the evil inspired by a wicked creed that Jesus Christ condemned:

            abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3701/jesus-apostles-saints-doctors-popes

          • Mark

            (8) “Chosen People” and their Gentile accomplices (Gavril Princeps and his
            co-assassins of the Judeo-Masonic “Black Hand Lodge”) started World
            War ONE—25 million died.

            “Chosen People” (the 1933 Declaration of War of World Jewry
            against Germany) started World War TWO—60 to 80 million died.

            “Chosen People” created (Rabbi Moses Hess and his disciple
            Marx), financed (Rosenwald, Kuhn, Loeb, Schiff, et al.), propagandized
            (Ehrenburg, Mikhoels, Khaldei, et al.) exported (Kun, Eisner, Zimanas,
            Rozanski, Pijade, Rakosi, Olszewsi, et al.), and mostly ran (Lenin, Trotsky,
            Zinoviev, Sverdlov, Litvinov, Andropov, et al.) Communism, their secret police (Beria, Yagoda, Bronstein, Yurovsky, Pauker, Slutsky, Gay, Speigelglas, Babel, et
            al.), and gulags (the Kaganovich family, Berman, Frenkel, Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk, et al.)—60 million died in the USSR; if you blame Rabbi Hess and Marx for Mao, add another 75 million dead.

            The synagogue of Satan is responsible, directly and indirectly, for the murder of nearly a QUARTER BILLION PEOPLE in just the 20th century —and that does not include other centuries or those in debt slavery.

            How many will you let them kill in the 21st century?

          • Mark

            You accused me of selecting “a few” facts, yet you just selected ONE as if ONE rating (from an ally) absolves decades, arguably centuries, of disproportionate tribal dominance of such slavery. Such double-standard hypocrisy is emblematic.

            I infer that your commitment is not to honesty, but to seizing on any straw or deceit to absolve the tribe.

            “Names popping up…” Yeah, right. One name in particular.

          • RageHard84

            Why do the Jews get accused for trafficking underage girls in Russia, and Chinese of doing the same in Afghanistan?

          • RageHard84

            Human trafficking is horrible in Israel, but I wouldn’t say they’re the worst. Human trafficking is a global problem.

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Except when I last visited Israel, I didn’t see any young girls holding up signs in English that read “We will suck your d*ck” (like my husband’s co-worker saw when he visited Thailand last year).

          • RageHard84

            True, other countries are worse than Israel. In other countries it’s out in the open. But just because it is hidden doesn’t mean it isn’t bad. Here in America, trafficking occurs, albeit unlawfully. According to Wikipedia, the feds opened 2515 cases between 2008 and 2010. Still pretty bad.

          • Mark

            Israel is “among the worst” even if you find hookers on the moon. You use lots of tricks to absolve Israeli terrorism, misanthropy, and genocide.

            “AMONG THE WORST”:
            abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3771/adults-torah-on-women

            CHILDREN:
            abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3719/adults-torah-on

  • Jim Davis

    “But if Kim Kardashian’s ancestors had not listened to the warning that they received, they probably would have been slaughtered with the rest of the Armenians and Kim Kardashian would not be alive right now.”

    I was going to comment on this, but on second thought I’ll just leave that alone.

  • jsmith

    Why, don’t you know, there’s only room for one genocidal holocaust. It will confuse people to know that there was only one true holocaust in the 20th century, and that is because Christians don’t count.

    • Mark

      Precisely on target with your sarcasm! “Only a willfully lazy or dishonest person can remain ignorant of the decades of mounting evidence against the fabricated myths of the so-called “Holocaust,” how the myths are used to extort money and power, how the myths are used to justify the tribe’s ethnic cleansing of Palestine, and how the myths are used to replace the holocaust on Calvary as the pivot-point of all history. “Soap,” “lampshades,” “gas chambers” with windows and wooden doors built AFTER the war by the Soviets, “6 million,” etc.—all of it discredited. Remember also that world Jewry declared war against Germany in 1933 long before they were incarcerated as declared internal enemies.”
      abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/thread/3773/holocaust

      • Mike

        You guys suck! The Jewish holocaust is just as real as any other. Anti-Semite conspiracy theorists.

        • Jim Davis

          I think we’ve all heard about the so-called Jewish holocaust, over and over and over and over. The point is that there are so many other mass mega-murders that aren’t publicized like the millions killed in Russia by Jewish bolsheviks.

        • Mark

          At the risk of repeating myself… Are we supposed to be surprised that some of them were incarcerated and died in the war that they started?

          In 1933 the World Jewish Committee was the first to declare war and 50 to 60 million died in the war that they started. Google “Judea declares war against Germany,” then read the declaration, notice the date.

          It is quite impressive how history can be inverted when re-written and fictionalized by the victors.

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            You use a misleading, sensationalistic headline to claim that the Jews actually started WWII. Do you really believe your own words?

          • Mark

            The headline merely helps you find the full 1933 declaration of war against Germany by the World Jewish Committee. For you to pretend there is only a “sensationalistic headline” and no substance to their declaration of war exposes your dishonesty transparent despite your pose of objectivity.

    • RageHard84

      OK, stop there. I acknowledge the Holocaust which was genocide against Jews, Slavs, and Gypsies, and the fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses were persecuted by Hitler. However, I also acknowledge that the Armenians and Assyrians were victims of Genocide at the hands of the Ottoman Turks, as well as the fact that Hazaras were the victims of genocide at the hands of the Talibans, and the fact that Chinese were victims of genocide at the hands of Pol Pot, and that many Ukrainians and Jews were killed by Soviets.

  • I don’t like commenting too much but Kim’s story is just like mine. My great-great? grandparents were Christians who left Germany because of the Christian persecution and came to America. This was before Hitler but I don’t know when. This is why a good number of my relatives are Christians—because they were taught this religion by the previous generation. This is why America is a lot more gymnophobic than certain parts of Europe.

    If Christians weren’t persecuted they would not have settled America and a lot of us would not exist.
    _____________________________
    As far as Efim Klubniki being a prophet, well anyone could predict doom & gloom.

    • Mark

      In 1933 the World Jewish Committee was the first to declare war and 50 to 60 million died in the war that they started. Are we supposed to be surprised that some of them were incarcerated and died in the war that they started? Google “Judea declares war against Germany,” then read the declaration, notice the date. It is quite impressive how history can be inverted when re-written by the victors.

  • Mark

    The Young “Turks” who perpetrated the Armenian genocide were the “dual citizens” of their day—as “Turkish” as the “Russian” Mafia, “Russian” Communists, “H✡llyw✡✡d” pornographers, “international” financiers, “neocon” warmongers, and “Wall Street” banksters. Whatever verbal deception it takes to conceal the synagogue of Satan’s crimes against humanity!

    • jsmith

      I see I’m not the only one informed Mark. 99.999% of the world doesn’t know. I don’t think Michael knows either.

      • Mark

        Indeed. You may appreciate the research leads archived here and organized by topic:

        abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/board/17/judaism-101

    • RageHard84

      Is there proof that the Turkish genocide was carried out by Jews, or is that a bunch of White Nationalist baloney?

      • Mark

        Just as Catholic nations suffered subversion from feigned-converts from Judaism (research Marranos), Islamic nations too suffered subversion from false converts (research donmeh). Mustafa Kemal (he later added the nom de guerre “Ataturk”) was a crypto-jew donmeh. For obvious reasons, this is not widely touted, but there are even Jewish sources regarding the disproportionate role of “Jews” in the Armenian genocide. For example Rabbi Joachim Prinz documents that Kemal (and another genoidal crypto-Jew Djavid Bey) worshipped Shabtai Zvi, as “Messiah.”

        • Mark

          You are, of course, welcome to pursue these research leads on your own, but here is a worthy summary and timeline penned by a rather flamboyant convert from Judaism:
          realzionistnews dot com/?p=95

          If you are well-versed in the history of Judeo-Communism (and THAT genocide), you will recognize the name Vladimir Jabotinsky, a “Russian” among those Young “Turks.”

        • RageHard84

          Haven’t made a whole lot of research into this, but it would make sense there’d be crypto-Jews considering discrimination. That being said, I did find a Wikipedia article saying there were domneh among the Young Turks, but they didn’t say Atatürk was Domneh. Still can’t say it’s a Jewish performed genocide, given the fact many Christians have been killed by Muslims.
          An interesting thing is these Domneh were into Kabbalah. Kabbalah is the Jewish version of Gnosticism. I’ve reason to believe Gnosticism is not authentic Christianity and Kabbalah is not authentic Judaism, both talk about material world being evil.

          • Mark

            Three points.

            (1) It is bad enough that people rarely use books for their research, worse still, a lazy reliance upon Wikipedia, well-known to be slanted and heavily patrolled on controversial topics.

            (2) You realize that the Sanhedrin is the authoritative Jewish court? Here is the Nasi (prince, head, president) of the Sanhedrin, Rabbi Adin Israel Steinsaltz contradicting you: “Kabbalah is the official theology of the Jewish people”

            Steinsaltz far outranks you in authority.

            (3) How revealing that even genocide can be overlooked with flimsy excuses (“discrimination”) and name-calling.

  • We re Toast

    To bad for us.

  • HumbleAmerican

    Where’s this Jesus dude to help his people? Really? Not enough deaths yet? As for Kim, I’m sure her ancestors would be proud to see her azz, literally.

    • Richard

      “Where’s this Jesus dude to help his people?”
      You can’t talk like that here. They’re all religious nuts on this site and they’ll just beat down on you mercilessly for speaking the truth. Don’t even bother…

      • Dont Mention The War

        That’s the fun bit :)

  • Rufus T Firefly

    Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton are ideal role models for young women.

    • RageHard84

      No they’re not.

  • How many deaths does it take to “qualify” for genocide???

    We refer to the Rwandan genocide, we refer to the Native American genocide(s) (although as Americans we shy away from that word).

    Are Armenians not a unique genotype? If they are the same genotype as Turks, then mayyybe I can see why we can’t correctly use genocide.

  • marc

    But how can I escape Kim Kardashian…….

  • RageHard84

    Man, it’s sad Kardashian doesn’t support the Christianity that her ancestors were persecuted for. Kardashians also have Dutch and I think English blood mixed in, I’m part Dutch and I don’t think she represents the Christian Dutch, maybe atheistic Dutch.

  • RageHard84

    There are many different threads here, which contains your supposed evidence? BTW the one on Israeli Terrorism sounds like it could be Democratic Party Propaganda. To be fair, it could also be white nationalist, black nationalist, or radical Muslim propaganda.

    • Mark

      The Armenian genocide is not among those threads. The threads “Holocaust,” “Perpetrators of genocide,” and “Who is human? Who is not?” are germane to points raised here.

      • RageHard84

        I thought we were talking about who was responsible for the Armenian Genocide?

    • Mark

      As if Republicans are the only ones falling over each other to support Israeli genocide?

      • RageHard84

        Well, there may be some third party folks or nonpartisan folks who support Israel, but Democrats push that BS about Israel oppressing Palestinians. Democrats, along with white nationalists and black nationalists, pretty much side with the Muslims.

        • Mark

          You need an honest look at the evidence.

  • Kim

    My great aunt was three years old when she was taken from her parents in 1915 by a Turkish soldier. She was raised Turkish and discovered later in life that she was actually Armenian. She never learned a word of Armenian because the Armenian language was banned. She was never reunited with her parents. But she found her siblings in Germnay when she was about 40 years old.

    What these monsters did to the Armenian people is so far worse than the imagination can conceive. These monsters murdered children right in front of their parents. Who does that. How is it that man can do such things to his own kind. My only answer to that is Satan. A powerful demonic force is at work that motivates man to hurt and kill his own kind. If it is not some sort of demonic influence , then there is really no other explanation.

    The Turks claim that Armenians sided with the Russians in a war. This a NOT TRUE. The Armenians were neutral. They were innocent.

    There was a church in the city of Ani (my daughter is named for this church) hundreds of Armenians fled to this church for refuge from murdering thugs, mostly Turkish civilians. The Turkish military arrived and assured safety for these Armenian people hiding in the church. The doors were barricaded by the Turks and the Armenian people were told to sit tight. Not long after, the civilian thugs lit the church on fire from the outside and no one was able to get out. They were all burned inside. Every single one. Hundreds died.

    • Dont Mention The War

      ” Who does that. How is it that man can do such things to his own kind”

      His religion tells him to.

  • Mark

    Skinhead??? You are so desperate in your denial that you descend to name-calling and censorship.

    abplefebvreforums.proboards dot com/board/17/judaism-101

  • 0jr

    being jewish meant getting a free pass out