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The Green Agenda Is About Getting Rid Of As Many Humans As Possible

Most people tend to think of environmentalists as warm, cuddly hippies that just want all of us to love one another and to do what is right for the environment.  And in fact, there are a few people out there who are actually like that.  However, the people at the very heart of the green agenda are a quite different breed.  The truth is that there are a growing number of environmental activists (including some very, very famous people) who are publicly advocating the end of our freedoms, the establishment of a Big Brother style world government and the systematic eradication of at least 90% of humanity all for the good of the environment.  Unfortunately, this is not a joke and it is not an exaggeration.  As you will see below, these people are very, very serious.  To these eco-fascists, climate change is the number one threat to the earth, and in order to eliminate that threat “democracy must be put on hold”, an authoritarian world government must be established and we need to start getting rid of as many humans as possible. 

Posted below is a new video about the importance of fighting “climate change” that was recently released by a prominent global warming activist organization known as 10:10 Global.  This short video depicts children and adults being savagely blown to pieces for not reducing their carbon footprints.  The organization has since pulled the video and has issued an apology, but the fact that anyone would actually put out such a video is absolutely chilling.  In fact, there are many advocates of the green agenda who wish that they could actually press a button and do this kind of thing to “climate change deniers”….

Unfortunately, this type of thinking is not confined to just a few environmental nutcases.  For example, Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates is absolutely obsessed with global warming and with population control.

The video posted next contains excerpts from a speech that Gates gave at a recent TED conference.  As you watch this, keep in mind that Gates has personally donated hundreds of millions of dollars towards the development of new vaccines and towards “reproductive health” initiatives around the globe.

During his speech, Gates presents a formula for calculating the carbon dioxide that he believes is causing global warming….

CO2 = P x S x E x C

P = People
S = Services per person
E = Energy per service
C = CO2 per energy unit

In the video that you are about to watch below, Gates tells the audience that in order to get carbon dioxide levels on earth down to where they need to be, then “probably one of these numbers is going to have to get pretty close to zero.”

So which of those numbers is going to get pretty close to zero?

Will it be “P”?

In the video, Gates describes how the number of people might be reduced….

“The world today has 6.8 billion people… that’s headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.”

Now wait a second.

Aren’t vaccines, health care and reproductive health services supposed to help people live longer?

Keep that question in mind as you watch this video….

There are others in the environmental movement who are even more open about what they feel needs to be done in order to save the planet from humanity.

For example, James Lovelock, the creator of the Gaia hypothesis, stated in an interview with the Guardian earlier this year that “democracy must be put on hold” if the fight against global warming is going to be successful and that only “a few people with authority” should be permitted to rule the planet until the crisis is solved.

A Finnish environmentalist named Pentti Linkola has gone even farther than that.  Linkola is openly calling for climate change deniers to be “re-educated”, for an eco-fascist world government to be established, for humans to be forcibly sterilized and for the majority of humans to be killed.

The following is how author Paul Joseph Watson recently described some of Linkola’s proposals….

Under Linkola’s proposal to save earth from man-made climate change, “only a few million people would work as farmers and fishermen, without modern conveniences such as the automobile.” This system would be enforced by the creation of a “Green Police” who would abandon “the syrup of ethics” that governs human behavior to completely dominate the population.

Linkola calls for forced abortions, while also adding that another world war would be “a happy occasion for the planet” because it would eradicate tens of millions of people. The environmentalist believes that only jackbooted tyranny can help to save mother earth from “the worst ideologies in the world” which he defines as “growth and freedom”.

Unfortunately, this kind of insanity does not just reside in Finland.

The reality is that academia is brimming with nutjobs such as this who want to see the vast majority of humanity wiped out.  

For example, Professor of Biology at the University of Texas at Austin Eric R. Pianka is another advocate of radical human population control.

In an article entitled “What nobody wants to hear, but everyone needs to know”, Pianka made the following shocking statements….

*First, and foremost, we must get out of denial and recognize that Earth simply cannot support many billions of people.

*This planet might be able to support perhaps as many as half a billion people who could live a sustainable life in relative comfort. Human populations must be greatly diminished, and as quickly as possible to limit further environmental damage.

*I do not bear any ill will toward humanity. However, I am convinced that the world WOULD clearly be much better off without so many of us.

Now keep in mind that this is a professor that is teaching our kids.  People actually pay a lot of money to get educated by this guy.

Unfortunately, his views are very much representative of the mainstream these days.

In fact, some of the wealthiest and most prominent people in the world are absolutely obsessed with the green agenda and with population control.  Just consider the following quotes….

David Rockefeller: “The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary ecosystems is becoming appallingly evident.”

CNN Founder Ted Turner: “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”

Dave Foreman, Earth First Co-Founder: “My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”

Maurice Strong: “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”

Michael Oppenheimer: “The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.”

Not only that, but this radical population control agenda has actually reached the highest levels of the U.S. government.

In an absolutely shocking interview with the New York Times, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg openly admitted that abortion is all about population control.  In particular, she confessed that abortion is about getting rid of “populations that we don’t want to have too many of”….

“Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

So was she asked to step down from the Supreme Court?

Did anyone make much of a fuss?

No, Ginsburg is still serving on the Supreme Court and that statement is long forgotten.

You see, the truth is that this population control philosophy runs rampant throughout the highest levels of the U.S. government.

John P. Holdren, Barack Obama’s top science advisor, co-authored a textbook entitled “Ecoscience” back in 1977 in which he actually advocated mass sterilization, compulsory abortion, a one world government and a global police force to enforce population control.

On page 837 of Ecoscience, a claim is made that compulsory abortion would be perfectly legal under the U.S. Constitution….

“Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.”

On pages 942 and 943, a call is made for the creation of a “planetary regime” that would control the global economy and enforce population control measures….

Toward a Planetary Regime

“Perhaps those agencies, combined with UNEP and the United Nations population agencies, might eventually be developed into a Planetary Regime—sort of an international superagency for population, resources, and environment. Such a comprehensive Planetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable, at least insofar as international implications exist. Thus the Regime could have the power to control pollution not only in the atmosphere and oceans, but also in such freshwater bodies as rivers and lakes that cross international boundaries or that discharge into the oceans. The Regime might also be a logical central agency for regulating all international trade, perhaps including assistance from DCs to LDCs, and including all food on the international market.”

“The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.”

On page 917, the authors advocate the surrender of U.S. national sovereignty to an international organization….

“If this could be accomplished, security might be provided by an armed international organization, a global analogue of a police force. Many people have recognized this as a goal, but the way to reach it remains obscure in a world where factionalism seems, if anything, to be increasing. The first step necessarily involves partial surrender of sovereignty to an international organization.”

You see, that is what those obsessed with the green agenda want.

They want total control of us all so that they can impose the measures that they believe are necessary to “fix” the planet.

Unfortunately, the measures that they believe are necessary would make George Orwell’s 1984 look like a Sunday picnic.

And the sad thing is that the world is not anywhere close to overpopulated.  If you took 6 billion people and put them four to house on a quarter acre of land, you could fit them all in Alaska and still have room to spare.

I have actually written quite extensively in the past about the radical green agenda of the global elite.  If you are interested in learning more, I would recommend the following articles….

*The Green Police

*Governments Around The World Are Eagerly Adopting The Strict Population Control Agenda Of The United Nations

*Yes, They Really Do Want To Reduce The Population – 22 Shocking Population Control Quotes From The Global Elite That Will Make You Want To Lose Your Lunch

*The Dangerous Myth Of Overpopulation

*One Less Child? Environmental Extremists Warn That Overpopulation Is Causing Climate Change And Will Ultimately Destroy The Earth

*Hillary Clinton: Population Control Will Now Become The Centerpiece Of U.S. Foreign Policy

*New U.N. Report: We Must Reduce The Population To Fight Climate Change

*The Population Control Agenda Behind The Global Warming Movement: For The Environmental Extremists At Copenhagen Population Reduction Is The “Cheapest” Way To Reduce Carbon Emissions

*To The Global Elite The Math Is Simple: Human Overpopulation Is Causing Climate Change So The Solution To Climate Change Is Population Control

So what do you think about all of this?  Do you believe that the radical green agenda is a threat to our freedoms?  Feel free to post a comment with your thoughts below….

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  • L.E. Kresge

    Why not blame the people for what the corporations are doing to the planet. Who is blowing the tops off of mountains, draining the planet of resources, polluting the air and the oceans, we the people or we the corporations? Greed has become the obsession of the elitist and they will stop at nothing to rule the whole planet.

  • Greg

    Having been in the environmental compliance industry for 20 years I have seen a steady progression towards the fulfillment of what we were told by the Creator would take place in the last days. The eco movement is the greatest success the satanically-inspired people who wish to control the world have found and it will be a primary means of accomplishing their goals. Humanity’s demise has come from the generalized implementation of the dictum that states people who refuse to believe in God will believe in anything. That was carried out not so much by getting people to the ultimate foolishness of believing there is no god but more through getting people to believe that they could create their own god and be their own god. Consequently, truth disappeared and was replaced with preposterous nonsense like evolution, humanism and relativism. Churches have become a joke, for the most part, where you can be coddled on your way to hell and told how wonderful life can be if you just say the magic J word but actually find only slightly more Biblical truth than you can find in an Adam Sandler movie. This reality that people are now so Biblically and scientifically and morally stupid leaves very little hope that there will be any change in the direction we are going – and that direction is leading us rapidly toward a cliff that will destroy most of humanity.

    My suggestion – dig deeply into the word of God and focus that study on the King James version. There are many versions and the degree of accuracy varies but I am personally quite averse to reading a Bible version that was created by the same company that publishes the Satanic Bible (NIV), a Bible that has a disguised 666 on the cover (NKJV) and others with known errors. Your days are short and eternity is long. Find the truth. It will make you free.

    • Ez

      You are on a whole different astral plane…Wow!!!

  • Jackson

    Either we reduce our population voluntarily or nature will take care of it for us. Perhaps the authors of this article prefer a world where billions starve daily and eventually die. I do not believe that ecologists want to kill off human populations. But just as Malthus predicted, the earth has a limited carrying capacity. Humans love to multiply. This degrades all ecosystems around the world. So it’s a two fold issue… too many people and, unfortunately for the West, too high of a rate of consumption. Enjoy the dieoff… voluntarily or otherwise.

  • Karlin

    I think you are putting words in the mouth of Dave Foreman, but if you have some other links with his quotes I could change my mind. That interview with Derrick Jenson didn’t say anything about Dave wanting population reduction by killing most of us here now.

    Also, you are painting the green movement as being in favour of a genocidal population reduction, with one little nod to “some of them are ok”. Heck NO!! MOST of us greenies are humanists at heart.

    I think we need to reduce human population numbers by having fewer offspring, a process that happens over 100 years.

  • Passing

    The makers of the video have already apologized (but you were not honest enough to tell your readers that fact).

    You also conveniently overlooked the population problem altogether and instead, simply attacked any agenda about population control, while advocating absolutely nothing at all.

    Do you think the population problem is simply just going to “go away” — through things like abstinence? Or??

    The fact is, there is nothing wrong with population control — it’s needed, it’s overdue and it’s the right thing to do for those humans who WILL be living here (including your own kids for example). The “how” to achieve this is up for debate — but you’ve attacked the very notion of the debate, which makes you grossly under-informed and disingenuous at best.

    There ARE sustainable limits which HAVE been grossly exceeded by humans — a key reason the current extinction rate of the world’s wildlife is 10,000 times the normal (no, I am not exaggerating in the slightest).

    The notion that humans can overrun the planet without consequences is entirely bogus, and population is a key part of this problem. The vastly damaged environment problems being reported DAILY in the news now didn’t “just happen” — they’re human caused and they have a solution.

    You would do well to educate your readers to the facts of this problem rather then raise straw arguments and pretend the problem does not exist.

  • ae911

    WOW is the right wing so shocked by a fictitious video? So does the Media and Political frenzy/Lies that started the illegal invasion of Iraq shock you? Or perhaps the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians/troops killed in that war? Or you may have been shocked if the media had shown the devastating impact up close of “Shock and Awe” as REAL people exploded before your eyes. There are radicals on both sides of an argument. How many people want to wipe the Jews off the face of the Earth? How many people want to wipe the Muslims from the face of the Earth? How many people want to wipe Americans from the Face of the Earth? And how many of these people are right wing nut jobs or religious zealots?

  • Hohoho

    This is the most hilarious post I’ve read (well I only read half & gave myself permission to simply skim the rest) in eons. Talk about skewed, alarmist, ridiculous. Dude, the Big Mean Greenies are saying the same about you and “your side”. Extremism on any side is the same: narrow-minded nonsense!

  • Owen

    Overpopulation is a myth. Just do the math, the entire world’s population could be housed in the state of Texas with a lower population density than the current density level of major cities like New York. Until you recognize that what we are seeing today was all foretold in the Bible, you will be a sitting duck as the great culling commences.

  • Not so Mad Max

    I’ve noticed about a couple of years ago the environmental movement was taking a distinctly anti human tone, or an elitist tone. If I where these elites I would very careful about advocating genocide, lefty policies never work out as planed. People talking about reductions of billions in population could find themselves in the same ovens as the rest of us.

    The Earth is 4.5 Billions years old it has supported life for hundred of millions of years and has survived things that would have wiped us out as a species. The Earth will be fine and dandy. It’s the arrogant rather stupid species, that’s leasing the Earth that’s in trouble. The Earth will be fine Save the Humans!

  • http://healthmaven.blogspot.com/ Paul Fassa

    Yes – the elites who control most of everything now and ARE CAUSING ALL ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS by suppressing alternative energy solutions, including taking Tesla’s discoveries for free clean energy and trashing them except for military purposes,including other energy solutions for cars, including crushing small local farming, including other materials for paper manufacture such as hemp instead of trees as well as other housing material sources – and on and on. The Rockefellers don’t mention their part of destroying the earth at all – do they? And now Gates is heavily invested in Monsanto, which is out to possess and destroy agriculture. And it seems THEY are in control of the Doomsday Seed Vault – for whom? They want it for themselves as they destroy humanity’s food supplies. They all just want to get rid of most of humanity to have the world all to themselves. We’re all “useless eaters” (Henry Kissinger)to them. And who’s behind using “depleted” uranium for weapons, BTW. Did the billions decide to permanently radiate the earth and air in large regions of the globe? http://heatlhmaven.blogspot.com/

  • Maureen

    I’d like to know if Gates & Co., will lead by example & sacrifice their own families for the sake of the planet before sacrificing anyone else.

    I’d like to know if Gates, will euthanise his wife & family with his beloved vaccines first?

    I’d like to know what process will be used to decide who will be eliminated first, will it go on health, wealth, race, religion, ginger, fat, too thin? As a smoker I have no doubt that I’ll be first in line with the majority of non-smokers cheering Gates on, until their, or their families turn comes along of course. What non-smokers have fallen for, mainly because they don’t like the smell of tobacco, is the SHS garbage. The smoking ban experiment, and experiment it’s been was to see how far they could go before there was a backlash, it’s gone way beyond their wildest dreams, with Gates (personal hatred of smoking) being at the top of the tree in the hate a smoker campaign. The SBE, although you’ll never convince non-smokers, has NEVER been about their health, it’s been about control, power, money & personal hatred, a campaign that was hatched 30 years ago and is being followed to the letter, backed by funding from the pharmaceutical Co’s., and rich people like Gates & Mayor Bloomberg, who seems to have had a memory lapse of the denormislation tactics used on the jews. Those same tactics of denormalistion, lies & propaganda now being used against smokers. And the GREENSHIRTS with their GREEN AGENDA are catching on fast that denormalisation works. The evil thing about the agendas of the anti-smoking lobby & GREENSHIRTS is their use of children, indoctrinating young minds. Soon they’ll be issuing uniforms to the youngsters they’ve already brainwashed.

    But monsters like Gates and the monster politicans that support them rely on the apathetic public, a public that’s become so used to being told what to do in everything from health to what they do in their every day lives they no longer recognise evil in their midst.

    Marie Antoinette once said of the peasants ‘let them eat cake’ these monsters don’t want us to even have the crumbs.

    I don’t know about the USA waking up, the rest of the world does too. But as in most things where the USA leads the rest will follow, and going by what the wealthy elite want we’re bookmarked for elimination, it’s just who is first.

    Lastly, non-smokers use your sense, if SHS is a killer why are there so many non-smokers, old & middle aged, still walking around. You’ve been had people, well and truly had, and your compliance has led them to realise that now they’ve been successful with smokers they can achieve the same results with AGW, obesity, alcohol, dangerous sports, the list is endless. You reap what you sow.

  • Maureen

    On reading most of the posts I find it incredible that some actually believe Gates & 10-10 are harmless, (they’re probably dyed in the wool GREENSHIRTS) 10-10 might have apologised, but if there hadn’t been such revulsion felt the video was all set to be shown in schools. There’s many impressionable children, and after watching this repulsive monstrosity, would’ve been frightened to go to school, fearing their teacher was going to blow them up for not agreeing with the ecofascists, don’t say it couldn’t have happened, without a doubt it would have.

    Posters on here may find it acceptable for their kids to watch this ecofascist violence but I would’ve found it appalling and sued the school for inciting violence to children. It’s akin to terrorists videos where they say ‘if you don’t cconform to what we want’ we’re going to blow you up.’

    I despair, I really do.

  • thornstricken

    Ever hear Of “Soylent Green”. Thats Green they can relate to,Other than the money they are trying to make. What a joke to all in power thinking any or all owns this planet. Sorry just cannot swallow down any coolaid that has fear as an ingredient.

  • Agincourt

    That 10-10 was loathesome! Just the kind of material that Osama would love to use to encourage his Taliban & Al Qaeda fanatics in their self-destructive madness. So how to pay 10-10 back? Let’s see someone make a video where the targets are the imitation faces of the monstrous people who want “world government” – or in truth, really “world dictatorship”. That starts with all the global-warming fanatic people mentioned in this article, along with the 10-10 film-makers. Then they’d learn their lesson. Pretty quickly too. That intolerance (like their’s) often destroys those who show intolerance. And self-righteous intolerant people, who routinely care nothing for anyone but themselves, routinely fall victim to those who they would destroy.

  • Jackson

    Folks. I’m not sure what planet you live on, but “lefty policies” and greenshirts (whatever they may be) did not get us to this point. Overconsumption based on fossil fuels and a sytematic policy implemented by the government subsidized by large multi-national corporations brought us to this point. Americans are spoiled children, and we continue to spend our money on trinkets – witness the demand for big screen TVs. Do you think any of this will help us when oil begins to run out? Peak oil is coming – perhaps as soon as 2015. Electrical transportation won’t save us. It merely creates another problem – global warming – brought to you by the coal, utility, and railroad industries. And yes, Monsanto is a real problem – with genetically controlled seed strains that respond only to their pesticides – all petroleu based. Folks, if there’s one bit of advice I can offer. Learn to grow your own food and establish your own water supply, even if it is capturing rainwater off your rooftops. Food scarcity is coming.

    And to the goofbag that said we could support the world on land the size of the state of Texas with a population density of New York – dude, what about water. Most of Texas is a desert or near desert. Corporations are using tons of fresh clean water simply to extract oil from shale in Canada, turning the water into poison. All so we can drive our Hummers, Corvettes, and other extravagant bullcrap on highways paved with more oil. Get a clue folks – the whole thing is unsustainable. We are headed down the history tubes.

    Think the government is going to take care of you? Think again. The government is planning to control the American population. This is what is behind the illegal wiretapping, surveillance, and assassination program against U.S. citizens currently authorized by the Obama White House. And if you think this will get better under rightwing Totalitarian rule (Palin, Gingrich, et. al.), then think again. These people would accelerate the damage to the environment and the police state.

    As I said, enjoy the dieoff….

  • jake morrisey

    Why not give them a half an acre, if you got still got room to spare.

  • TK

    @ Greg,

    You are absolutely correct. I never thought that I would see all the pieces coming together for the persecution described in Revelations. True Christians will always be against abortion, murder, population control, perverted versions of the Bible, and any one who does not believe that Jesus has come in the flesh (roman catholics for example).

    It is because of our unwavering stance on the Word of God and our faith in Jesus that we will be targets. And those that will be doing the persecution will think that they are doing god (or mother earth) a huge favor.

    There is still time for some to be saved, REPENT(stop sinning) and BELIEVE that the blood of Christ can remove the stain of sins.

    TK Titus 2:11-15

  • http://signsoftheend.net/ Paul Sandhu

    Hey Greg:

    Good comment, please send em an e-mail from my site if you can; the link is on top right hand of my home page. Couldn’t agree more about the Bible versions issue.

    Paul

  • Cari

    This is so true. Anyone who denies this hasn’t a clue about what’s going on in the world. People have such a strong desire to ‘fit-in,’ they will jump on any bandwagon that’s aired on TV. To think overpopulation is a real problem is the biggest joke on the public to date. There IS an overpopulation of psychopaths, but since everyone likes to worship them, I don’t see that going away anytime soon. I wonder how many planets inhabiting ‘intelligent’ beings out there made it to this point and then killed themselves off without ever truly becoming civilized?

  • Who really runs your web site

    How can you discuss these topics intelligently without once mentioning the United Nations AGENDA 21 (Agenda for the 21st Century) program?

    Here’s a good web site site on the topic — http://www.green-agenda.com

    All based in facts and with an extensive bibliography.

  • madeline

    I think all the folks that believe this should kill themselves. Problem solved– less population and the rest of us would all be happier.

  • H H H

    It is ok to have a kid you are a new couple. However, it is rediculous in Los Angeles, California where minority couples are having 4-5 kids…

  • laura m.

    I agree with Jackson. I have seen population more than double in my lifetime. Anyone that drives a car, even in smaller towns, can see we are bredding ourselves like rats. With the cost of living, many should have one or zero offspring. Many couples (incl me) are better off with none. Peak oil is real and it will cause hyperinflation almost overnight world wide. Watch the movie Collapse on you tube free. We cannot support another N. America standard of living (India and China) with cars and modern lifestyles. Resources aren’t there.

  • Skip

    These Elitest are deamons all of them, greeedy money hungry demons of the New World Order!

  • Brian

    There was over 10 billion people on this planet in 1980 now there are less then 6 billion. Seems like they are handling population control very well. Est. from UN consensus.

  • Jackson

    Fact: To provide any one person on the planet with the average American lifestyle and consumption would require 24 acres of arable land… not desert.

    The lie is that people think you can get something for nothing. We cannot continue to use resources in such a foolish manner… Look about you and see the Excursions, Hummers, Corvettes, and Escalades and all the derivative type vehicles driving down roads paved with petroleum products. Look at the plastics you have in your home. Think about the way food is produced… huge petroleum inputs are required. Think about the way food is transported. You end up with lettuce grown 1,000 miles away because of cheap (subsidized) food. Same with consumer products.

    Now imagine that oil peaks and overnight (we’ve seen this happen already once two plus years ago) oil goes to $5 a gallon. And then, instead of coming down, continues to rise. What do you think will happen to the cost of food? Durable goods? What do you think will happen to the cost of heating and cooling your home? What do you think the effect will be on employment here in the U.S., already being driven down to compete in the “global” economy… the economy that is benefiting large multi-national corporations at the expense of the middle class here at home.

    And that’s just the beginning. My property taxes have risen and my state passed a sales tax (which is levied on food and medicine) simply to pay for paving roads. This is the future.

    Enjoy the dieoff….

  • reluctant to leave a name.

    It has to be remembered that these fascist/dictators are in the minority, and the more people who are aware of their ‘dreams’ the better so that they can be watched and monitored closely.
    Actually i don’t have any solution to the problem, but my gut reaction is ‘Holocaust Warning’

    Another thing, surely the climate itself will be reducing the population naturally, which has been happening for years.
    As for the vaccines…well, i wonder what Bill Gates is planning to put into them…

  • Noel Murphy

    I do not agree or believe this climate change or global warming crap.
    This was made popular by that lunatic Al Gore(i note he is very quite now).Governments just want to TAX.
    And yes CONTROL us.

  • gardner1

    If these fools are so scared of over-population, why don’t they set a good example and get the hell off my planet?? Take the people like Al Gore (Waldo), Hilary, Kerry (Lurch), Boxer, Pelosi (Stretch)and Reed along with them and gives us all some breathing room.

  • James

    This is for “Passing”…it says right there in the article that the makers of the video apologized, but I guess you missed that because you are so “bright.”

  • monk

    Population is not a myth because it’s not a matter of space but resources. The earth has a biocapacity of 1.8 global hectares per person and the current ave. consumption rate is 2.6, which means we are now at overshoot. Given that, if there is anything that will impede people’s freedom, it won’t be environmentalism but the environment itself, specifically a lack of resources.

    The mainstream view, which is backed by governments and corporations, is the opposite: there is no such thing as overpopulation because technology and market forces (mostly controlled by the same corporations and governments that work for them) will ensure that. Why the need for insisting so? Because a global capitalist economy needs a growing population. That’s the only way to have more consumers of more that is produced, thus ensuring greater profits for the elite.

    That is why for the same reason the elite will also question peak oil and global warming, as these issues will encourage people from thinking that everything is fine and that it’s simply business as usual is seen as a hoax.

    In fact, that’s the American dream: a middle class lifestyle guaranteed through the magic of technology fixes and market forces. Overpopulation, peak oil, global warming, and inherent flaws in capitalism are all not true.

  • http://forums.delphiforums.com/overpopulation/messages/?msg=4 Ed Glaze III

    Population Reduction Prerequisites
    by Ed Glaze III
    http://forums.delphiforums.com/overpopulation/messages/?msg=4

    The problem is one of numbers, primarily too many people and their impact on the environment. Just stopping immigration, slowing population growth, preserving wilderness and lessening consumption will not solve the problem.

    The solution to overpopulation is simple, but socially and politically unrealistic. We must plan how to greatly REDUCE human population in some manner before nature does it for us with an uncontrolled population crash. In nature’s view it is just a matter of numbers and when the crash comes all humans will suffer, and being white or rich will not help.

    Carrying capacity dictates that the human population will be reduced. I would rather humans plan this reduction than wait for ecological collapse leading to a population crash fit for a science fiction/horror story.

    With over 6.8 billion people growing to about 10 billion in a few decades it should be obvious that the societal and environmental problems we face, from local to international, will get much worse. In the competition for resources personal liberties will continue to erode. Our economy is dependent on imports and the exploitation of non-renewable resources which some say it will not continue much longer, especially the oil resources.

    Yes, once we recognize that humans are the environmental problem there will be tough decisions to be made about how to reduce our population. I too realize how hard such decisions will be and I will try to explain my unrealistic plan further. Paraphrasing Garrett Hardin, “We need mutual coercion, mutually agreed on.”

    The top 10 premises my population reduction plan is based on are:

    1.there must be widespread recognition that there are already way too many humans and that something must be done to reduce our numbers to a size that will eliminate the pressures (exploitation & pollution) we put on nature;

    2. the continued existence of so many human billions further degrades the environment, lessens future carrying capacity, and reduces our options to those that are even less appealing and more draconian;

    3. there is no socially, politically or economically acceptable method to solve overpopulation in a timely manner therefore economic and religious world views will have to change their short-term, pro-natalist and anti-environmental outlooks;

    4. it is better that a much smaller human population survive indefinitely with some reasonable level of technology and civilization rather than allowing human overshoot to destroy the environment and its capability to support a complex biodiversity by continuing this consumption and population binge we are now on;

    5. that the plant and animal life of this planet are too important as components of that complex biodiversity to be considered as exploitable resources to support human overpopulation;

    6. competition for resources (primarily water, food, and oil) will increase greatly as population grows as will wars and economic collapse likely become inevitable;

    7. bioregional carrying capacity needs to be the determinant of local population size and it is better to strive for an optimum (lower) population which would allow nature a chance to heal from the degradation that has already occurred;

    8. the value of an individual human life is negligible, or even an environmental liability, when there are already billions of us;

    9.the sooner we aggressively reduce our population the less total human suffering there will be;

    10. TIME is the critical factor because if we fail to plan and act to solve overpopulation quickly then we will take much of nature with us as we collapse.

    IF and when the above prerequisites come about then the really tough decisions about how big a reduction would be needed (maybe 85%), how such a reduction would take place, and in what time frame it could be achieved (??). Remember the problem is largely environmental and caused by an excess of humanity.

    Once it is acknowledged that a reduction must take place, the planning of who would be eliminated first is easy — those who are most a burden to society: criminals, terminally ill, diseased, retarded, etc. From there you go to those who are a burden to the economy, those in environmentally degraded areas, and those many who will not be needed in the future “sustainable” society.

    When the goal may be an 85% population reduction then it becomes tough to even identify who to save — what skills, languages, cultural attributes, etc. Also to be decided is how best to preserve, benefit from, and salvage the technology and products of our consumptive economy. It becomes a remaking of human civilization and maybe a chance to avoid or eliminate the many mistakes that evolved into our cultures.

    Who decides is not near as important as taking action. The actions taken will be many and varied but all leading to reducing our population quickly. Ethics and morality will have to value the environment over short-term human interests in order to assure a future allowing the long-term survival of humans.

    Likely a general acceptance of the premises above will only happen on the downslide of civilization after the collapse has begun. Hence, I am very pessimistic about the medium-term future and anticipate that things will get very bad even within my lifetime. (I’m 55.)

    Planning must also include how to preserve a desired level of technology and how the new civilization would function at a bioregional, self-supporting scale. Kirkpatrick Sale’s book Human Scale gives some guidelines on how a smaller and dispersed society might function.

    Unfortunately, few people seem willing to discuss solving the overpopulation problem through increasing the death rate. A planned increase in mortality seems to be a taboo that even Garrett Hardin was reluctant to deal with. But reducing current population levels seems the obvious solution when considering expected population growth trends, optimal carrying capacity, resource depletion, and the rate of environmental degradation.

    If they don’t understand the severity of the problem,
    they won’t understand the severity of the solution.
    Overpopulation must be dealt with.

  • Tomás

    I find it very disturbing that when the problem of scarcity of resources comes up, because that is the center of the “overpopulation” debate, NO ONE says “hey, let’s accommodate this larger population with innovations that make our current resources go farther, discover uses for currently useless ones, or even the space exploration field to spread humanity from our blue dot.” Nope, everyone just wants to kill or sterilize each other as then first option and spout off quotes from history’s first nut-job, Malthus.

    You people act like problems of scarcity have never been solved before, HELLO! There’s a whole field devoted just to this, it’s E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S. You should look into it sometime before automatically calling for the death of everyone else but yourself.

  • zippythepinhead

    WTF ever. I’ve traveled around the world twice been to over 130 countries and can tell you that most problems are self induced stupidity along with a kleptopric govt. And pray tell where is this overpopulation occuring? Greece, Italy, Spain, Japan, France, et al have been in dramatic population decline for decades. DECADES. Greece and Italy will literally be devoid of cousins by 2025. China has a net difference of men to women in the 10-25 age group of an 12-1 spread.

    Remember the population bomb that was supposed to wipe us all out? I’m still waiting for that to happen. What a joke. Should people be responsible for their offspring? Absolutely. Should people not bring children in the world they can’t afford. No ones debating that. However man has been extremely resilent in spite of disease, famine, wars and natural distasters.

    As the writer above me wrote problems of scarcity will and can always be resolved via real capitalism, not to be confused with this phony central bank, Friedmanite/NeoKeynesian corptopcracy that we have now. The green agenda is about death. Yours.

  • TK

    @Ed Glaze

    Your type of thinking can only come about by higher education. Only the smartest minds taught by the best university’s can believe that there is a problem with over population.

    What you are missing is what has been washed out of your brain by years of indoctrination. THERE IS A GOD!!!!!!

    Even wild men who have never seen a T.V. or a computer know that there is a GOD!!! You can tell by the way they worship creatures, the sun or the moon, make images and bow down to them. But, with all of your higher learning, God has been eradicated.

    The Bible says clearly “the fool has said there is no God”. Many Scientists have come to realize that creation is so amazing, that there is no way we could have evolved from monkey’s. Those same scientists and many millions of people have been saved through the Gospel presented in the Bible.

    Repent (turn from your sins) and Believe that the blood of Christ can cleanse all sins.

    The biggest problem with the Gospel is not that there is a Creator, but that the the Creator of all things is also righteous to judge all of His Creation.

    Please Repent while there is still time.

    TK

  • http://votenorth.org Titus North

    The author makes many valid points. However, the real problem is not that environmentalists have a sinister agenda, but that people with a sinister (or simply misguided) agenda penetrate, pervert, and usurp mass movements. The Tea Party movement started in 2007 by Ron Paul supporters has suffered the same fate, being penetrated, perverted, and usurped by Fox News, the Koch brothers, and the “teaocons.” Let’s learn how to distinguish the genuine from the fraudulent and keep an open mind to arguments that make sense.

  • Superfarmer

    Most of our domestic animals have been redesigned to suit our needs. There has not been a major effort to breed a strain of man designed to survive on a planet with limited resources. The technology is available today to peer into an individuals DNA and do some serious selective breeding. At puberty, eggs or sperm can be stored for further evaluation and generations of superior humans can be propagated. I would further propose all living human beings be offered an incentive not to reproduce until world population drops to a manageable level. Great masses of bottom feeders would disapear in a generation. The Chinese one child rule is a good start. There is not much time left. Urinate or get off the pot.

  • forums let me speak anonymously

    Maureen
    October 3rd, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I’d like to know if Gates & Co., will lead by example & sacrifice their own families for the sake of the planet before sacrificing anyone else.

    I’d like to know if Gates, will euthanise his wife & family with his beloved vaccines first?

    >> Ask Dave Foreman if he’d do the same… he’d try to weasle his way out of it. It’s just plain selfishness.

    TK
    October 5th, 2010 at 11:53 am


    True Christians will always be against … any one who does not believe that Jesus has come in the flesh (roman catholics for example).

    >> RCs do believe Jesus came in the flesh, just fyi.

    October 7th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    @Ed Glaze
    “THERE IS A GOD!!!!!!”

    >> Amen. But pushing it in people’s faces is not a great evangelization method, just fyi.

    monk
    October 6th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    In fact, that’s the American dream: a middle class lifestyle guaranteed through the magic of technology fixes and market forces. Overpopulation, peak oil, global warming, and inherent flaws in capitalism are all not true.

    >> Agreement on the second point. However, the American dream isn’t (or shouldn’t be) middle class lifestyle. The American dream is freedom. Freedom for oppression, from tyranny, from the power of people who want to ruin your life and kill you. Who are these people? – The gov and the greenies. They don’t care about your life. So, with that said…

    Jackson
    October 6th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    “enjoy the dieoff”

    >> So when’s your funeral? – I’m sorry I can’t attend – that would be wasting valuable energy and emitting carbon dioxide needlessly.

    James
    October 6th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    This is for “Passing”…it says right there in the article that the makers of the video apologized, but I guess you missed that because you are so “bright.”

    >> I didn’t bother watching the video, but I recognize a stupid response like this when I see it. Let’s see, people apologize when they realized they made a mistake – such as being honest and information people of their destructive agenda. Of course they would apologize. DUH!!!! Not saying they would actually do something like blowing people apart, but wanting people to die (via pop control) is the same as, gee, wanting people to die. Granted, there are many horrible ways to die, and we tend to prefer the peaceful ones, but from a pop control perspective, it doesn’t matter how people die (whether they be killed violently or not), it just matters that they do. … And it’s still wrong.

  • shawny

    Who gives a crap about the “apology”…..the commercial was absolutely horrific, inhumane and you can’t take back tramatizing others with an apology, particularly when fear was obviously the deliberate intent. You might as well have blown up pregnant women who were choosing to keep their babies. Your point was SO much more important to make than thinking responsibly about the impact. What cold hearted morons.

  • TK

    @ Maureen

    RC’s do not believe that Jesus came in the flesh like True Christians do, they believe in dogma, and Immaculate Conception. RC’s also killed hundreds of thousands of True Christians, and you are defending them! REPENT!!!, no other organized group in the history of man kind has killed more Christians the the RC’s.

    “pushing it in people’s faces is not a great evangelization method,”

    Do you have any idea how many people my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ made angry by telling the truth? Read your Bible instead of ridiculing a true believer, start with what Jesus told the religious establishment at His time,

    “Woe unto you scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites!” “how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”

    I pose the same question to you Maureen, how will you escape hell?

    There is no greater love a man can show than to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. And how can anyone believe that Jesus can save if they do not even believe in GOD!!!

    Maureen, stop defending murderers and read your Bible.(a KJV version)!!

  • Robert

    Ladies and Gentlemen, your posts while interesting and on occasion humorous, miss a cogent point.
    To understand the principle that all deviant agendas ( as is Agenda21 ) sink to the lowest common
    denominator. For example; Study the actions of ARAJS Commandos in WW2. He was Latvian. While
    everyone has points, the fact still remains.
    In Uganda today, troops are killing people, to follow guidelines of Carbon Footprinting. The UN has
    Morphed into a group worse than Hitlers killing machine the SS.
    We may be coming to the end times or not, but we have become a ship of fools by not using our
    technology to improve and steward our resources, and have without any but superficial ****************
    accepted crackpot junk science. We have become politically repressive, not technically progressive.

  • http://truthbetold.webuda.com the Postman

    Most reasonable and sincere environmentalists would be absolutely horrified if they had any idea of the real “product” that they’ve been *tricked* into pushing. If people are so willing to sacrifice truth at the altar of their beliefs, they shouldn’t expect much of a positive outcome from their endeavors… For those who still feel that truth matters, may I suggest reading Anton Chaitkin’s “Treason in America”. It’s kind of a tough read getting started but it definitely puts environmentalism into historical context. And speaking of history, can anyone guess why members of a death cult (i.e. “Malthusian”) secret society popularly known as “Skull & Bones” would be so interested in founding the American Historical Association (AHA) in 1884? Hmm? — the Postman (http://truthbetold.webuda.com)

  • http://truthbetold.webuda.com the Postman

    To give some idea of the effectiveness of their plans, it was stated in a report published in 1991 by USAID that if everything goes according to plan, by the end of the 1990s, 80 percent of all women in Puerto Rico and Panama would be surgically sterilized… Sorry for not quoting directly but this came from the book, “George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography” by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin.

    Also, everyone PLEASE keep in mind that if these people are willing to depopulate us, what’s to stop them from lying to us, right? What I’m saying is, there’s no real reason for anyone to believe in their stated population figures (of 6.8 billion or whatever) and in fact, EVERY reason for us to believe that they are way over-stated in order to “hype” their cause. — the Postman (http://truthbetold.webuda.com)

  • Jake

    Good ******* job.Humanity is selfish,stagnant and dying.So *********sick of this world.Im not saint myself but i consider myself a truthful,honest and loyal person and all i’ve met are scheming,shallow and ********* up people.

    • Cliff Lindsay

      I SAY JAKE you are not conceited just convinced