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How much have things changed in America when we have to invent a new word to describe the hordes of Americans that have exhausted two years of unemployment benefits and yet still have not been able to find a new job?  In America today, there are at least 1.5 million “99ers” – American workers that have completely exhausted all of their long-term unemployment benefits and that still do not have jobs.  Some say that the true number of 99ers is actually much higher than that.  In any event, almost everyone agrees that we have a huge problem on our hands.  Unfortunately for the 99ers, the tax cut deal that Barack Obama has reached with the Republicans only extends the existing structure of long-term unemployment benefits.  It does not include additional weeks of benefits for the 99ers.

So what does this mean?  It means that a very large number of unemployed Americans will soon be hurting even more.  At this point, the average size of an unemployment check across the United States is approximately $302.90 a week.  That is not much, but now imagine desperately trying to survive and having even that little bit of income stripped away from you.

Over the next few years we could see literally millions of American families forced from their homes and on to the streets.

Not that any economy can afford to provide unemployment benefits for their citizens indefinitely.  The truth is that the federal government has already spent a ton of money extending long-term unemployment benefits for as long as they have.

But what are we going to do about all of the Americans that simply cannot find jobs no matter how hard they try?

Are we just going to tell them to go join a tent city?  Are we going to tell them to dig through trash cans for food that other people have thrown out?

In America today, there are approximately five unemployed workers for every single job opening.  The truth is that there are not nearly enough jobs out there for everyone that wants one.  In fact, it isn’t even close.

The U.S. economy does not provide enough jobs for all Americans anymore, and it probably never will again.  It now takes the average unemployed American over 33 weeks to find a job.  The number of long-term unemployed is absolutely exploding.  As 2007 began, there were just over 1 million Americans that had been unemployed for half a year or longer.  Today, there are over 6 million Americans that have been unemployed for half a year or longer.

Take a moment and let those statistics sink in.

We are facing a national crisis of unprecedented magnitude.

For many Americans, the financial pressure that this “new economy” is creating is absolutely soul crushing.

A recent article on The Calculated Risk blog quotes James Mitchell, a 64 year old Vietnam veteran that has been unemployed since early 2009 and who does not know what he is going to do once his unemployment benefits are exhausted….

“This is just as scary as people lobbing mortars over your head at 2 o’clock in the morning.”

One anonymous unemployed woman identified only as “Kaynonymous” is a highly educated professional who recently posted a rant online in which she admitted that she also will probably end up in a tent city soon….

“I’m a 99er too. 53, female, single and once on track with an IT career. No one in their right mind would consider me for an IT position after being gone from the field for over 2 years. I have officially been a 99er since May 2010. In Aug. 2010 all of my savings and retirement funds were finally depleted–not only can I no longer make my mortgage payment, I can no longer afford utilities either. I’m just not sure that the 99ers ever had a voice outside of union organizers and even with them it was too little too late. Guess I’ll be seeing ya’ll in the soup kitchens and tent cities. I do still have my tent…”

So is this what America is turning into?  A declining economic wasteland where people in their fifties and sixties who have “done all the right things” all their lives are now pushed into crushing poverty?

The truth is that it would be hard to overstate how bad things have gotten in America.  Today, there are 42.9 million Americans on food stamps.

Just think about that – 42.9 million Americans are being fed by the federal government.

Not only that, but now one out of every six Americans is enrolled in at least one anti-poverty program run by the federal government.

So how far do we have to go before we finally admit that we have become a total economic disaster as a nation?

In a previous article entitled “24 Signs That All Of America Is Becoming Just Like Detroit – A Rotting, Post-Industrial, Post-Apocalyptic Wasteland” I commented on the almost unbelievable economic decline that we are seeing in communities all across America….

For years, people have been laughing at the horrific economic decline of Detroit. Well, guess what? The same thing that happened to Detroit is now happening to dozens of other communities across the United States. From coast to coast there are formerly great manufacturing cities that have turned into rotting, post-industrial war zones. In particular, in America’s “rust belt” you can drive through town after town after town that resemble little more than post-apocalyptic wastelands. In many U.S. cities, the “real” rate of unemployment is over 30 percent. There are some communities that will start depressing you almost the moment you drive into them. It is almost as if all of the hope has been sucked right out of those communities.

So where did all the jobs go?

Well, as our politicians merged our economy with the rest of the world over the past several decades, they have been shipped overseas.

Today, millions of jobs that used to be performed by Americans are being done on the other side of the globe.  It turns out that there are vast hordes of impoverished people that are more than happy to do those jobs for less than a tenth of what an American worker would make.

Guess what?  The millions of jobs that have been “outsourced” and “offshored” are permanently gone and are never coming back.

Just consider the following statistics….

*The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.

*Since 2001, over 42,000 U.S. factories have closed down for good.

*As of the end of 2009, less than 12 million Americans worked in manufacturing.  The last time that less than 12 million Americans were employed in manufacturing was in 1941.

So do you still have hope that things are going to get better for the economy?

Well, if so, then how in the world can you possibly explain how the bleeding of jobs to other areas of the globe is going to stop?

Why would the big global corporations that now dominate our economy want to hire American workers for ten times more than they can hire cheap Asian workers for?

Globalism works well for inexpensive workers on the other side of the globe (because at least they now have jobs) and it works well for big global corporations because their labor costs go down.

But globalism does not work well for American workers.  In fact, merging American workers into the new “global labor pool” has made American workers very, very, very unattractive.

The global economy does not care that you have to pay the mortgage or that you want to send your kids to college.  The global economy does not exist to provide you with a good paying job.  In fact, the global economy is not going to shed a tear if you and your entire family are forced to live in a tent city and beg for scraps of food.

So if you still have a good job and your family is still doing well, please do not look down on the 99ers.

You never know – one day you may be one of them.

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  • mondobeyondo

    If you are an American, globalization is the worst thing that has happened to this country in the last 50 years.

    The rest of the world could care less.

    But when all is said and done, I guess it’s all equal. Americans are happy to get a turkey for Thanksgiving. And Chinese and Indians are happy to get a turkey once a year too.

  • William

    How interesting that the US can spend a trillion dollars on Bush’s unnecessary war of choice in Iraq, and now spend $120 billion dollars a year in the unnecessary war in Afghanistan. But, spending on unemployment compensation and efforts to revitalize the US economy are held hostage by Republicans. The next step by Republicans will be to erode Social Security benefits while cutting taxes for the very rich. Maybe Americans should actually think before they vote. But, alas, that is wishful thinking as evidenced by the Nov 2010 election. Putting the Republicans back in charge of the US House of Representatives is a sure sign America is dying.

  • Piglet

    “In fact, the global economy could pretty much care less if you and your entire family are forced to live in a tent city and beg for scraps of food.”

    What you meant to write was “the global economy could NOT care less.”

  • William

    I thought I would try to start things rolling here. I am a 46 year old 99er, who just found out last week that unemployment is done. I was making $283/week which I am very thankful for, but was not enough to pay the mortgage on our small 2 bedroom, 1941 cape, ( mostly because of increasing taxes). I have been doing misc. barter jobs in trade for others services or food, etc. I have been sedning resumes all around, but no bites. I am a 25 year veteran, high end woodworker. I even have some AutoCad and CNC experience, but evidently not enough experience in this economy to land me a job.

    We are on the edge of not being able to pay mortgage, even though our cars are paid off, we have no phone, no cable, and the wife cooks all the meals, and I did not mention, we don’t have kids either. Just two people trying to make ends meet. The global economy is, in my perception, one of the worse things to ever happen to American workers. I have a lot of antique things that we actually use every day, ( electric fans, lights, etc), and even the seemingly cheap items made 40+ years ago, were made in America and were of great quality.

    God have mercy on America!!!

  • peter

    David Autor, a MIT economist, published a paper claiming that automation and technological development plays an even larger role than outsourcing.

    http://www.good.is/post/automation-insurance-robots-are-replacing-middle-class-jobs/

  • The Sojourner

    I used to jest about America being on the straight path to “Road Warrior” living conditions. I jest no longer. I am afraid that the movie “The Road” could become reality.

  • BC

    I’m not worried, my daughter and I will just live in a tent that was made in China!

  • Aurelius 7

    Obama told me everything was improving, so this article must be a lie. I blame Bush.

  • zack

    Unfortunately for the unemployed, the US government is pursuing economic policies that prevent the creation of productive jobs. There will be no recovery until regulations are removed and government spending is reduced dramatically (start with the useless wars of choice and the corporate welfare please).

    We help Americans find jobs and prosperity in Asia. Visit http://www.pathtoasia.com/jobs/ for details.

  • RealityCheck

    Frick & Frack quisling Judases — “Democratic” presidents Barack & Bill (two tall hollow men, full of hot gas; Tweedledum & Tweedledumber, and the Walrus & the Carpenter turncoating midstream, feeding on their constituency whom they deem dumb oysters) shilling like the spineless Plutocrats’ cheap pushover wh-res they are, to sell USA now and for centuries to come into irreversible exsanguinated slavery. A coup de grace to Bill Clinton-Bushes’ decadeslong silent Holocaust ongoing genocide of the US once mighty and bloodily won manufacturing might and high-end industrial tax base, and of 90+% of the American PEOPLE (the SUPERMAJORITY in our only putative democratic “Republic”) who elected them (as their last populist hope) to REPRESENT the ECONOMIC interests of the MAJORITY of the US PEOPLE — but whose faith (and supertaxes to pay these shameless MISrepresentatives) has been cynically BETRAYED.

    And are they economic morons? The Congressional Republicans MONTHS ago had offered to vote for an extension of unemployment benefits IF it were PAID FOR by using some of the $78 billion remaining ECONOMIC STIMULUS FUNDS, but DEMOCRATIC Congressional reps asininely and treacherously said NO. So now, the Dems are willing to “pay for” extending u/i (and at that, NOT for the 99ers — the 5 million longterm unemployed Americans who are now fiscally PERISHING in a HOMELAND HOLOCAUST; even though any extension of benefits for such 99ers and other unemployed is the BEST POSSIBLE ecoomic STIMULUS, as ONLY IT will IMMEDIATELY be SPENT IN the USA, further to PROP UP OTHER US domestic businesses and keep such 5 million Americans fed and housed and paying their bills) with a $900 BILLION ETERNAL extension of Bush tax cuts (that NEVER created and WILL NOT create any JOBS — Reagan’s “Trickle DOWN” over 30 years has ONLY trickled OUT!

    Our “Democratic” Presidents Obama and Bill Clinton are an unacknowledged FIFTH COLUMN in the USA, quisling capitulators to Republican plutocratic bullies, culpably anti-Constitutionally NOT REPRESENTING the US PEOPLE’s direly core economic survival interests. They are SELLING AMERICA OUT for the next CENTURIES. Yet “None dare call it treason.” If this bill passes, America is DONE, betrayed irreversibly.

  • mondobeyondo

    It is truly a sad state of affairs when our homeless citizens live in tents made in China. We can’t even make decent tents anymore?!

    Wal-Mart should be renamed “China Shop”, because that’s basically what it is. The only thing missing are the chow mein and egg rolls. Oh wait, there’s probably a Chinese restaurant inside a Wal-Mart somewhere. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. And just to let you know, America is no longer the bull in the China Shop.

    By the way, you can still get your old job back! Here’s how:

    1) Learn Mandarin Chinese – fast! Berlitz, Rosetta Stone, the lady working the register at Panda Express. Anything!! (at least learn what “ni hao” means).
    2) Save up for a plane ticket to Beijing or Shanghai. One-way. You won’t be coming back to the U.S. for a long, long time, if ever. Your Chinese employer probably won’t allow it.
    3) Prepare to work for one tenth the wages you are accustomed to here in the U.S. No health insurance, no unions, no benefits, nothing. Just your paycheck. No workmen’s comp either. Get hurt on the job, see an acupuncturist, or a herbal doctor.
    4) Now go after that old job of yours! Good luck!

  • alus

    Even heard about Chongquing? No? This is the biggest metropolitean city in the world…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta1aOuZdQH8&p

    USA is going down… You never had a crisis before. Some countries like CEE or african have always crisis you cannot imagine…

  • http://eclark SLEZE

    Could…could you call them lazy instead of 99ers? How about losers? I know it’s anecdotal, but several blue collar business owner friends of mine (plumbing, roofing, electrical) are having difficulty hiring people. Could it be that people who get paid to do nothing walk to milk it for all they can?

  • A Dodgy Bloke

    Any regular listener or reader of Carl Denninger’s Market Ticker or pod cast would have known this was going to happen well over a year ago. Carl wrote Congress telling them they needed to get ready to feed and house people he was ignored as a crank. The economy needs to produce over a 150,000 jobs a month just to make a dent in the unemployment rate, there is simply no way that is going to happen.
    This latest tax deal will only speed up the fiscal day of reckoning my advice is face facts. Neither the Congress nor the present administration simply doesn’t have the political stomach to make the hard choices it doesn’t matter if they have and R or a D after their name.
    If we would have let the Banks GM and Housing go, and made the structural changes to bring Jobs back it would have been unbelievably painful but we would be coming out of it now. This is save what you can time, learn to be as self sufficient as possible, and arm your self and get training to use that firearm.
    Washington is not going to save you.

  • nygenxer

    The GOP’s leadership has said that their primary goal is to keep Obama from being re-elected in 2012, which will happen if the economy and job situation improves. Ergo, in order to meet their goal, the GOP has to prevent the economy and jobs situation from getting better or made worse.

    We are already years deep into an economic depression; “jobless recovery” is an Orwellian oxymoron. The working class has not had a wage increase in almost 40 years. 95% of us are flat broke, un/underpaid and underwater in debt – factors that we did not have going into the first depression. We’ve already two years of GOP legislative obstruction; we cannot survive two more. Keep in mind too that it takes about a year for the effects of any stimulus to be felt on Main Street.

    This is an emergency situation, and the poor/working class need emergency fiscal stimulus.

    Suggestions:

    1) Raise the minimum wage right now to $10 an hour; $12 an hour in 2012, and to $15 in 2014. 40 years of stagnant wages and record corporate profits is bullshit, and it’s unsustainable. We need to support employment long-term so that debts can be paid off and new debt can be taken on. The minimum wage needs to be enough to actually live on. Support family values? Then support a wage large enough for a single earner to support a family with.

    2) Technically it’s not eminent domain to seize every foreclosed property since the banks can’t prove they own them. Move homeless and working poor families in with 30 year mortgages and minimum monthly payments of around $400 to $500 a month. The US gov’t gave $9T in loans at 0% interest to the criminals who crashed the economy, so helping their victims should not be a problem. Even those making $12+ an hour should have no problem making the mortgage and have money left over to pay off debts and make new purchases thereby stimulating the economy. The banks were paid by the borrowers to properly follow the title laws that they themselves wrote. They didn’t; they borrowed our money and gave themselves bonuses. Fuck them.

    3) Medicare/Medicaid for all. If we need to save money, the numbers are there. There are tens of millions of voters without coverage, and those that have coverage are unhappy, paying through the nose and lose coverage when unemployed. The US pays the most and gets the least. Why would it work in every other country but not here?

    4) Like the original space race, energy independence is a national security issue. Renewable energy should be the new space race and we need to throw everything we have at it. Detroit would make a fine NASA for the 21st century energy. Detroit already has the industrial infrastructure for mass production and R&D. The land is dirt cheap and would not require clearing or forced relocation of residents.

    5) Consider a long-term solution to New Orleans. It needs to be moved to higher ground or be abandoned because eventually global warming, rising sea levels and lost marshlands will result in flooding the city permanently. Better to make preparations now while the population is low and residents need jobs. Return the land to a watershed sanctuary. Thanks to BP’s oil spill, it’ll be the cleanest on the Gulf coast when completed.

    6) Eliminate corporate citizenship. These are the true enemies of the state and their influence has demonstrably poisoned both houses and the judicial branch. Our only hope now is the White House.

    7) Instead of cutting social security insurance benefits because of phony bologna projected budget shortfalls, raise the social security tax to all personal income over $107,000 and the program will have so much surplus that it can be expanded.

    8) Student loan forgiveness and a total overhaul of the system. For a fraction of what we pissed away in Iraq (not including the dead soldiers and civilians) everyone’s student loans – EVERYONE’S – could have been paid off in full. The best and the brightest in the country are hamstrung by this debt and by usury practices that would put make Tony Soprano blush – all backed by the muscle of the US gov’t.

    9) Universal higher education. The conservative argument is that “all unemployed and low-skilled people need to do is go back to school and retrain for the jobs of tomorrow.” If corporations get tax breaks to retool their factories or to streamline their production methods, why shouldn’t people qualify for retraining? Certainly businesses would support this: it’s taxpayer-funded training for their future employees.

    10) Unfettered high speed internet is far too important to leave to private interests. Universal internet service should be a national public utility. This is a national security issue.

    11) Another, almost invisible national security issue is fresh water. I’m not sure how what the solutions are, but this is a silent emergency. I’d say, “Please get a panel started immediately to study the issue and make recommendations,” but I’m sure this has been done already and the results are sitting on a shelf somewhere.”

  • AC

    Wage-differential import duties. Free trade isn’t free – we’ve paid for it with our future.

  • Gary

    Again-there is way too much wealth in way too few hands. This is a big reason we are in this mess of an economy. Wall street bonuses/corproate profits are at an all time high yet working people are hurting and tons are on food stamps. The top 1% has more wealth and income than the bottom 50%. Do you really want to live in a banana republic? Well guess what we are in one now. Consider this: While so many people are hurting I can hardly believe we are even discussing giving the rich another tax cut. If tax cuts for the rich did anything to help than by that logic they should pay zero taxes. I am sure even a tea bagger can see the absurdity of that line of thinking.

    This alone shows us we are in a banana republic.

    I am really serious, we need to tax the rich and corporations and spread the wealth. There is no other way.

    It is my hope and belief that most folks will come around to my way of thinking when the evidence of the wealth being in too few hands and the negative consequences become apparent to even the most blind tea bagger.

  • Mr bill

    I feel bad for all the suffering that is taking place. I am afraid this is just the beginning of the end of the way of life we all knew. Our grandparents have seen it come full circle. My grandma who recently passed at 92 said it was a fun ride but now it’s time to pay the toll…we have built a facade of success on the back of cheap oil. I hate to sound dire, but when you look at the rise of the USA, you can tie it to the advancement through cheap plentiful oil. The us government has subsidized food production so long that small foreign farmers are all but nonexistent, and the next big bubble is food…6 to13 months from now, I believe the habits of being able to buy every and anything we want from the local grocery store will be a distant memory…prepare now if you can…beans, bullets and bandaids….if you want more insight go to Chris martensens web site and watch crash course…..Then start working a plan so you don’t find yourself counting on others to feed you….good luck, God bless….Mr. Bill

  • Steve

    To Mr. Sleze,
    Very obviously your friends are not in Florida. Since unemployment is more like 20 percent in Florida, and a BIG BUNCH of those are unemployed construction workers, there is a huge labor pool of already trained people begging for jobs in Florida.

    I likewise know several blue-collar business owners. They would be very happy campers if they could come up with enough work for the people they USED to employ, let alone put more people to work. In fact, just before I lost my job, one of them came into the place where I worked with an ear-to-ear grin on his face. He had just landed enough work to bring some of his laid-off people back to work, even though he was cutting his profits to the bone to do it. He values his people that much…

    I have been unemployed since March of 2009, and the ONE interview I did get was basically told I was too old (54). Not in that many words, but…the implication was there. I would love to be able to find even some work, as I have pared down my living expenses to the bare minimum and can live very cheaply. Please do not characterize us as lazy or milking the system. When there are no jobs to be had, that is the bottom line. We can’t make employers hire us, particularly when their choices are so great. Typical job posting garners 400 to 500 responses for ONE job, particularly if it pays more than minimum wage. Only so many people can flip burgers or say “Welcome to WalMart”.

  • http://themongooseman.com MM

    For William (December 13th, 2010 at 9:13 am) and others who have a skill that others can value… it’s time to work for yourself.

    The global economy is destroying the structure we had here in America regarding working for others in a job.

    The way we’ve depended on others to give us a job, to be able to live, has to change.

    As wealth continues to flow to the already wealthy, those wealthy will be the clients for the service you can offer.

    That service can be anything you can do that they will pay you for. Not menial work, but a valuable job they need done and can’t do themselves… and you charge them plenty for it.

    You’ll need to let them know you exist and how you can provide what they may not even yet recognize they need.

    When the system is so warped that you can’t get hired unless you already have a job, maybe it’s time to go it alone.

  • Ryan

    In November only 39,000 jobs were created
    15.1 million unemployed
    5 million 99ers
    5 million underemployed

    15.1 million divided by 39,000 jobs = 387 months
    20.1 million divided by 39,000 jobs = 515 months
    25.1 million divided by 39,000 jobs = 644 months

    387 = 32.26 years
    515 = 42.95 years
    644 = 53.63 years

    America can not wait that long to solve this problem. If the government stands by and does nothing there will be a civil unrest like that of Athens.

  • Owen

    Don’t assume Washington is really looking for solutions as the leadership we have is determined to force Americans to accept a one world government as our only hope. I hope that you will not fall for that, but I know that most Americans will.

  • http://www.planorperish.com Gutter Economist

    Nothing will improve in the US until we eliminate both political potties (democrat and republican) or have a civil war.

  • Dan Worten

    Personally I think it is just a matter of time before Washington is forced to open their eyes and admit once and for all that they need to assist the 99er’s.

    Come February 2011 the number of 99er’s will swell from 3.8 million to over 8 million. The facts are the facts!

    Even Washington admits that this new tax bill “SHOULD” create 1 million jobs over the next 12 months. By December of 2011 the population of 99ers will grow substantially! There are roughly 450 thousand people falling out of benefits monthly. Do the math!

    Our elected officials may have ignored us now, but little by little they will start hearing it from the people who elected them to office. Just a matter of time.. You’ll see. Talk about “civil unrest”….

  • http://www.thereheis.com SLEZE

    @Steve – You are correct that I am not referring to Florida or Nevada or Detroit but to the Northeast. But like the people starving in Africa due to famine, they probably wouldn’t starve if they moved to wear the food was.

  • just another99er

    with the millions of americans jobless, and at the end of there unemployment, there will be so many homeless, and starving, i have run across something horrible, that the government plans to do to eliminate the baggage (which is the homeless, the 99ers,ect ect. )if you are curious look up what is called FEMA, it will shock you and scare the crap out of you.

  • Heading to the streets

    With the winter temps that many of us are facing, the next utility bill will be the end for many…

  • WeWantJobs

    PETER:

    Most of the academic economists are on the payroll of the corporations that ship jobs overseas…..so of course David Autor would publish a paper downplaying the role of outsourcing.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/20/AR2010102007554.html

  • John

    Zack wrote – “Unfortunately for the unemployed, the US government is pursuing economic policies that prevent the creation of productive jobs. There will be no recovery until regulations are removed and government spending is reduced dramatically (start with the useless wars of choice and the corporate welfare please).”

    And very little seem to not understand that. They blame globalization for all their woes, but look at your damn local inspector. Try and start a manufacturing plant and see how much of a headache it is and how much money you actually have to spend just to make the inspector smile (Hell, even your local plan checker). It costs way more than many people have and only the very big companies have the power to deal with all that, and even they are slowly weaning and whining about it. We are completely overboard on the regulations and requirements that there’s very little incentive left to even start anything in the US.

    So you tell me, would you rather deal with all that or just move to Mexico where I can open a plant within 2 weeks instead of 6 months to a year of endless headaches in the US?

  • Gary2

    nygenxer-Excellent Post. Everything you said makes perfect sense.

  • Gary2

    Sleze-Maybe they would get people to work if the wages were not poverty wages. Yes there are jobs at McDonald’s but you can not support a family on these low wages.

    I do agree that it is better to work than not. I took a job that when all is said and done I am about even with my wages to what I got for unemployment. I am very under employed but am grateful to have a job and not need to worry about whether unemployment will be extended or not.

    Yes-I actually do work a job, contrary to popular belief. And yes I would make the same doing nothing and collection unemployment but I feel I am a more attractive candidate working than not working.

    I do not really see much value in making less working than getting unemployment, after all people need to eat and live in doors.

  • Gary

    nygenxer you are 100% correct, Great insight and great post! Thanks

  • Gary

    Sleze-if the jobs paid better than poverty wages your friend would get more takers.

    As hard as this will be for people to believe: I took a survival job after being unemployed for 6 plus months. I make about as much as I would make simply taking unemployment. I am used to eating and living in doors so I can see why someone would not take a McJob when unemployment pays more. You need to be able to live.

    Even though I am very underemployed I am hoping that I will make be a better more attractive job candidate working vs not working. It really sucks making so much less but working just as hard. I am understanding downward mobility very well.

    and yes we need to tax the rich and spread the wealth. Nothing will change until the wealth and income disparity is fixed. And it will be fixed one way or another either peacefully or otherwise.

  • BCL!

    What did you people think? During WWII all the factories outside of the USA were destroyed. It took 50 years, but those other countries got their acts back together while the US got to lay back and take it easy. Wealth was allowed to be redistributed by organized labor because there was plenty of wealth to go around. Now there isn’t much wealth to go around as the typical US worker is forced to compete with others around the world — a battle that he cannot win without decreases in his standard of living. This sort of economic shift was going to happen no matter who was in the office of the President, as it involves growth in foreign nations — something which the government has no control over (unless you want to start a war).

  • Ron Paul

    The people who’ve read my writings knew what was coming years ago.

  • Tiny

    Gary & nygenxer,
    “We” is something the two of you use to avoid looking evil, as in “and yes WE need to tax the rich and spread the wealth. Nothing will change until the wealth and income disparity is fixed. And it will be fixed one way or another either peacefully or otherwise.”

    Stop being a sissy and using the collective “we” to describe your fascist government goons and what you want them to do.

    Come to my house and tell me you are going to “redistribute” my wealth to you and your slacker friends. Then we can settle the debate personally.

    Oh, I forgot, not much will get you off the couch. What if I offered free Twinkies for your visit?

  • StillWorking

    I have to wonder: if there are so few jobs, why are the illegals still streaming in here to work?

    I know that times are hard (my business is slower now than in years past) but are Americans just too proud to do these jobs that the illegals do here?

    How is it that the illegals seem to have no prob finding a job and Americans can’t find 1 in 2 years?

  • Standing Hard Republican

    BILL CLINTON SIGNED NAFTA INTO LAW!!!!!!!!!
    THE END!!!!!!!!!!