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Take This Test To See If Most Americans Would Consider You To Be A ‘Religious Extremist’

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Question Mark Road Sign - Public DomainAre you a religious extremist?  For years, world leaders have been endlessly proclaiming that we need to eradicate “extremism”, but what actually is “extremism”?  Many would point to the ISIS jihadists over in the Middle East that are beheading people that don’t agree with them as examples of religious extremists, and I think that very few people would argue with that.  But our politicians (especially the liberal ones) rarely use the term “Islamic terrorists” anymore.  Instead, they tend to use the term “religious extremists”, and that has a much, much broader connotation.  In fact, if you are a Bible-believing Christian, you are probably included in that category.

Most Bible-believing Christians would never think of themselves as being similar to radical jihadists in the Middle East, but that is precisely how many of their fellow Americans very them.  The Barna Group has just released a shocking new study which found that 45 percent of all “non-religious” Americans believe that “Christianity is extremist”…

The perception that the Christian faith is extreme is now firmly entrenched among the nation’s non-Christians. A full forty-five percent of atheists, agnostics, and religiously unaffiliated in America agree with the statement “Christianity is extremist.” Almost as troubling is the fact that only 14 percent of atheists and agnostics strongly disagree that Christianity is extremist. The remaining four in ten (41%) disagree only somewhat. So even non-Christians who are reluctant to fully label Christianity as extremist, still harbor some hesitations and negative perceptions toward the religion.

Even more troubling is what the study discovered about how the general population views specific religious activities.  There has been a tremendous shift in society, and behaviors that were considered to be completely mainstream a few decades ago are now considered to be “extremism”.

Are you ready to take a test? Look over the Barna infographic that I have shared below very carefully.  Have you ever participated in any of these “extremist activities”?…

What Makes Someone A Religious Extremist - Barna Infographic

If you have ever participated in any of the activities listed in category 1 or category 2, you are a “religious extremist” according to most Americans.

Of course every single one of the behaviors in category 2 would potentially apply to me, so I guess that would make me an “extremist” according to this definition.

This is where our society is heading.  Of course “Christian extremists” are not normally put into prison in the United States quite yet, but hatred toward our faith in rapidly rising in society.  Church attendance is dropping like a rock, the Christian faith is relentlessly mocked in movies and on television, and incidents of hostility toward Christians have doubled over the past three years.

And the truth is that even the federal government and the military are rapidly turning against Bible-believing Christians.  For example, the slide that I have posted below comes from a U.S. Army Reserve Equal Opportunity training brief that described “Evangelical Christianity” and “Catholicism” as examples of “religious extremism”…

Religious Extremism - U.S. Army Training Materials

Once this came out, there was a huge uproar and some people got into trouble over this.  But it should be exceedingly alarming to people of faith that U.S. military personnel were being trained that evangelical Christians are on the same level as the Ku Klux Klan.

And of course this is far from the only example of this phenomenon.  In fact, Christians have regularly been described as “extremists” and “potential terrorists” in official U.S. government documents since the day that Barack Obama first stepped into the White House.

The following is an extended excerpt from my previous article entitled “72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered ‘Potential Terrorists’ In Official Government Documents“…

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Below is a list of 72 types of Americans that are considered to be “extremists” and “potential terrorists” in official U.S. government documents.  To see the original source document for each point, just click on the link.  As you can see, this list covers most of the country…

1. Those that talk about “individual liberties”

2. Those that advocate for states’ rights

3. Those that want “to make the world a better place”

4. “The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule”

5. Those that are interested in “defeating the Communists”

6. Those that believe “that the interests of one’s own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common interest of all nations”

7. Anyone that holds a “political ideology that considers the state to be unnecessary, harmful,or undesirable”

8. Anyone that possesses an “intolerance toward other religions”

9. Those that “take action to fight against the exploitation of the environment and/or animals”

10. “Anti-Gay”

11. “Anti-Immigrant”

12. “Anti-Muslim”

13. “The Patriot Movement”

14. “Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians”

15. Members of the Family Research Council

16. Members of the American Family Association

17. Those that believe that Mexico, Canada and the United States “are secretly planning to merge into a European Union-like entity that will be known as the ‘North American Union’”

18. Members of the American Border Patrol/American Patrol

19. Members of the Federation for American Immigration Reform

20. Members of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition

21. Members of the Christian Action Network

22. Anyone that is “opposed to the New World Order”

23. Anyone that is engaged in “conspiracy theorizing”

24. Anyone that is opposed to Agenda 21

25. Anyone that is concerned about FEMA camps

26. Anyone that “fears impending gun control or weapons confiscations”

27. The militia movement

28. The sovereign citizen movement

29. Those that “don’t think they should have to pay taxes”

30. Anyone that “complains about bias”

31. Anyone that “believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia”

32. Anyone that “is frustrated with mainstream ideologies”

33. Anyone that “visits extremist websites/blogs”

34. Anyone that “establishes website/blog to display extremist views”

35. Anyone that “attends rallies for extremist causes”

36. Anyone that “exhibits extreme religious intolerance”

37. Anyone that “is personally connected with a grievance”

38. Anyone that “suddenly acquires weapons”

39. Anyone that “organizes protests inspired by extremist ideology”

40. “Militia or unorganized militia”

41. “General right-wing extremist”

42. Citizens that have “bumper stickers” that are patriotic or anti-U.N.

43. Those that refer to an “Army of God”

44. Those that are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”

45. Those that are “anti-global”

46. Those that are “suspicious of centralized federal authority”

47. Those that are “reverent of individual liberty”

48. Those that “believe in conspiracy theories”

49. Those that have “a belief that one’s personal and/or national ‘way of life’ is under attack”

50. Those that possess “a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism”

51. Those that would “impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)”

52. Those that would “insert religion into the political sphere”

53. Anyone that would “seek to politicize religion”

54. Those that have “supported political movements for autonomy”

55. Anyone that is “anti-abortion”

56. Anyone that is “anti-Catholic”

57. Anyone that is “anti-nuclear”

58. “Rightwing extremists”

59. “Returning veterans”

60. Those concerned about “illegal immigration”

61. Those that “believe in the right to bear arms”

62. Anyone that is engaged in “ammunition stockpiling”

63. Anyone that exhibits “fear of Communist regimes”

64. “Anti-abortion activists”

65. Those that are against illegal immigration

66. Those that talk about “the New World Order” in a “derogatory” manner

67. Those that have a negative view of the United Nations

68. Those that are opposed “to the collection of federal income taxes”

69. Those that supported former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr

70. Those that display the Gadsden Flag (“Don’t Tread On Me”)

71. Those that believe in “end times” prophecies

72. Evangelical Christians

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Are you starting to get the picture?

There is a systematic attempt by the radical leftists that dominate our society to demonize Bible-believing Christians.  They want to portray us as “religious extremists” that are just as dangerous as ISIS is.

Given enough time, they would not just come after us with words.  Throughout history, we have seen the same thing happen with so many other groups.  First they were marginalized, then they were demonized, then they were criminalized, and then ultimately they were marked for elimination.

If you are a Bible-believing Christian, you need to get ready for intense persecution, because it is most definitely heading our way.

  • K

    Michael, you have seen it on your own websites. In the last year the anti-Christian rhetoric has grown by leaps and bounds. And as with everything else. Persecution, will be far worse in the cities. So much easier to gather a mob quickly.

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      You’re right; persecution of anyone who believes and follows Jesus Christ has gotten worse.

  • Rhialto the Marvellous

    I’m much, much more than an “extremist”. I left “extremism” in the dust long ago.

    I’m a Christian. A Christian is someone who has become a new creation. Born again. New life. New identity. The Holy Spirit – the very Person of God – has filled me and lives in me. I have been translated from the old, fallen line of Adam into the eternal, divine line of Christ. I myself am eternal, without beginning or end. My identity is the Identity of Christ Himself.

    I have literally heard the very Voice of God on several occasions. I have witnessed miraculous healings. I have been the recipient of miracles, direct from the Hand of God. I myself have laid hands on people and healed them.

    As a Christian, I have received the inheritance Jesus left me when he died. This inheritance includes the redemption and restoration of man’s original purpose – the Authority over creation which was given to Adam but lost when Adam sinned.

    I – and all born again Christians – are giants among men. We are Kings and Priests. The hate and criticism of the fallen, unredeemed, lost world is merely the chirping of sparrows against giants.

    Extremist?
    Pffft!
    The world doesn’t know the meaning of the word!

    • Rhialto the Marvellous

      When Jesus was crucified, Satan exulted, thinking he had defeated God.

      When Jesus rose from the dead, Satan cowered and trembled, being put to an open shame in the face of Christ’s Eternal Victory.

      Satan’s only weapons are lies and accusations. His words crumble to dust and are blown away in the wind before the Way, the Truth and the Life.

      I and my brothers in the Family of God will judge angels. Their fate in Hell is in my hands. My lips will speak judgment against them.

  • jaxon64

    It has been decades of indoctrination in schools, published media, news media and Hollywood.
    On television-if a show has a Christian character, that person is usually portrayed as frothing at the mouth, hypocritical, hate-filled with yelling and anger on their face or a closet gay or adulterer.
    Contrarily, Muslims are always portrayed as humble, quiet and devout. Gays are usually very likable, self-sacrificing, forgiving and clean cut normal in sweater vests and loads of compassion and good works. Leftists/socialists are always portrayed as tolerant intellectuals who begrudgingly herd the rube Christians and uneducated white rednecks toward a better “progressive” future..
    Many kids have never had a Christian ever even approach them about faith or been invited to church yet have been conditioned to believe that Christians are “in your face” and judgemental…
    Fair warning SJW’s–Khmer Rouge executed their leaders–as did the Russian revolutionaries, Robespierre got the guillotine,Hitler had his advisors put to death after he successfully arose to power, N Korea’s fatboy even killed his family–etc etc…

    • Brian Dougan

      Too many acronyms in use today. What does “SJW” mean? I can’t decode from the context. Social Justice Warrior? I found that one possible meaning on Google.

      • kfilly

        Social justice warrior…..

  • Letfreedomring

    Thank you for this article! My family became preppers a year ago and a lot of that decision had to do with society’s growing negative perception of Christians. Things are happening in our country that I never thought I would see in my lifetime; it seems like events are coming much faster and closer together that will bring us to persecution / collapse.

  • shots have mercury

    The thing people don’t like is the very conservative Christians have a holier-than-thou mindset and won’t even treat me as an equal because they think I’m not born again. My uncle doesn’t even talk to me that much probably because he thinks I’m a make believer.

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    Well, I failed CAT 1.

    CAT 2, got most points.

    All over CAT 3 & 4, but change Koran to Holy Bible/Book of Mormon/Doctrine and Covenants/Pearl of Great Price. Plus the Church’s lesson manuals, leadership manuals, church news and magazines,etc. (a lotta reading).

    So, yeah. Extremist. Deal with it.

  • movieklump

    Christians make up 80 per cent of the America population. An atheist could never become president and are even barred from holding office in some states by law.
    And Christians claim persecution? What a load of hogwash.
    Imagine if Christians were barred from holding office. Imagine the outcry.
    Christians have been persecuting people ever since it started. Ever heard of the dark ages?
    The truth is Christians like telling people what to do. And when they are stopped they cry persecution.
    Even when they are 80 per cent of the population they cry persecution. Grow up.

    • K

      Speak of anti-Christian rhetoric, and up it pops. Notice yet another nice new account.

      • Gay Veteran

        the truth hurts, eh

        • K

          Nope, just be patient. Not too long from now, you will get your wish. You will look around and not find a single Christian. I am sure you will get along much better. With your new Muslim neighbors.

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re missing the point, movieklump spoke the truth

  • Jim Davis

    I would define a religious extremist as anyone who wants to use government power to enforce their own religious views. A lot of people on this site fit that description. Mind your own damned business!

    • Shane

      Like maybe the Westboro Baptist Church that protests at funerals; New Beginnings Ministries in Ohio that for nearly a decade goes to the strip club parking lot and photographs patron’s licenses & posts them online, harasses the men that go there & tries to get the states indecency law strengthened. I could list A LOT more!!!

      • jaxon64

        I would agree that these few are extremists. However the MSM paints a picture of these kooks as the Christian norm. A few dozen out of 1+ billion people–and they are acting contrary to the teachings of their faith, so I’d have to say they are more of a rogue cult than Christian.

    • jaxon64

      What’s funny is that our basic set of laws that we live under from Magna Carta forward have been based upon Christian ideals of morality.
      Stealing is wrong, lying is wrong, cheating is wrong, rape is wrong, murder is wrong, killing is wrong, a right to LIFE, liberty and PURSUIT of happiness as the Bible teaches of a God who does not want puppets but gives free will…basic Christian ideals and not uniform in all cultures.

      • Gay Veteran

        “…our basic set of laws that we live under from Magna Carta forward have been based upon Christian ideals of morality….”

        uh, not really, you don’t think pagan cultures (like Rome) didn’t have laws against theft? rape?

        and the part about liberty was really funny. guess those American slave owners didn’t use the bible to justify slavery

        • Holger Jahndel

          Rome and Greece:

          Slavery and gladiator games and killing of Newborn children (Infantizid) and forced marriages of women (no rights against men)

          • Gay Veteran

            like I said: you don’t think pagan cultures (like Rome) didn’t have laws against theft? rape?

          • Holger Jahndel

            Not against raping slaves! Not against raping your own women and beating her. (Muslims are still alowed to do that today by Quran!)) In the New Testament of the bible at least stand the following good advises:

            1) Do not beat your women (you should not do it as a Christian and husband)

            2) Treat your women well (women could choose whom to marry in Christianity and say no to a marriage they did not want and did not accept themselves – they often could not before in Pagan societys and can not still today in many Muslim and Islamic societys and others)

            3) You are all one in Christ and equal before god, your creator, loving good father and your savior and judge (in the Mithras mystery Cult women were not allowed to take part in the rituals – but they were alowed to take part in the early Christian masses and to participate)

            Christianity at least ended rape and slavery and gladiator games and Infantizid (Infanticide), the murdering of newborn children by parents who did not want them or did not want disabled children (for example the Greek Spartans or also the Germanic tribes and many other people)!

            Christian Theology consists also of Greek Philosophy, with the rational LOGIC and Platonic Ideals and Idealism and Humanism and a new view of Personality. This also led to the later Renaissance and Humanistic philosophy in Europe. Made possible by existing Christian societys and Christian morality and a moralic worldview of man and mankind.

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re missing the point that jaxon64 made:

            “…our basic set of laws that we live under from Magna Carta forward have been based upon Christian ideals of morality….”

            my reply: uh, not really, you don’t think PAGAN cultures (like Rome) didn’t have laws against theft? rape? [NOTE: not talking about Islam]

            “…women could choose whom to marry in Christianity and say no to a marriage they did not want and did not accept themselves….”
            you’re going to have to provide some proof of that pre-1000AD

            “…Christianity at least ended rape and slavery…..”

            and yet our slave owners used the bible to justify slavery

          • Holger Jahndel

            Slavery was especially justified by Calvinists and Puritans from England and the Netherlands, see Dutch and Holland, who set the Old Testament of the Bible equal to the New Testament or even above it, although Jesus Christ and his apostles teached it the other way! The New Testament stands above the Old Testament and interprets it in a new way, although the 10 commandments are still law for all Christians and the mosaic law at least is still a moralic guide and logical advise or string of the right direction to follow. The New Testament is a spiritual platonic idealism and it is a teaching of pure LOGIC and RATIO for all humans and mankind. The human rights were developed from philosophers coming from Christian societys based on a Christian moral and Renaissance philosophy and humanism.
            Although many, like Voltaire, rejected Christianity, they could develope their Humanism and philosophic moral , because Christianity established the philosophic and practical moralic law and ethics in Christian states and also ENFORCED this moral and laws, also practial in state laws and justice.
            The City as as juristic person (with own rights and law and as a social community) and the modern citizen and citizen of the state developed only in Christian societys. Like the modern state theory. Even the Enlightment and Rationalism and Deism were spread by Humanist Masons, who developed and based on a Christian society with Christian Moral and a modern state since the Renaissance. Unfortunately, the developing anglo-american Liberalism and free trade Capitalism made the moral also somewhat relative and always preferred the Old Testament and set it above the New Testament. So moral become somewhat relative again, as in the antiquity, with the Sophists and sophistic rabulistic philosophy and Moral relativism. The New Testament forbid the Usury and taking Interests for private banks and private financial capital and bankers. Since 1450 – 1500 Usury and taking Interets were becoming allowd again in Europe. And in the anglo-american world the free trade and the ideology of modern private Capitalism developed.
            With moral relativism and with settingn the Old Testament equal to the Nerw Testament or even setting the old testament with the hard mosaic law above the New Testament with the new Teaching and new interpretation of Jesus Christ and his 12 apostles. This misstake is still made by many Calvinists and Puritans and Zeugen Jehovas and Zwinglianer and also many other Protestant Groups today! The results always were chaotic capitalism and corruption, financial bubbles and usury, slavery and murdering of other peoples, agressive and egoistic colonialistic and imperialistisc societys and a lack of the Holy Spirit and the divine Logos with the Logic also coming from god. The same misstake is also made by many so called Christian Evangelicals in USA.
            The New Testament stands above the old testament! The New Testament is higher in rank than the old testament and interpretates the old testament in a new platonic way. LOGOS. LOGIC. Philosophic Ratio and a new spirituality for the whole mankind, not only the Jews. The New Testament interprets the Old Testament from the coming and message of Jesus Christ. Although the 10 commandments still are law for all Christians and all peoples and races in the whole world. Logic.

          • Steve Inskeep

            wrong christofascists, like islamofascists, consider ” humanists” to be the enemy

          • Holger Jahndel

            Nonsense. My favorite Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.
            And he also was against free trade! As Donald Trump is.
            And as Pat Buchanan is against neoliberal free trade and NAFTA!
            The Libertarian Ron Paul at least wanted to end the Federal Reserve System of the FED, although I am not a Libertarian nor a Liberal or Neoliberal nor Neocon nor Globalist. Real Patriots as Pat Buchanan is or Lyndon LaRouche or Al Gore are not Neocons nor Neoliberals or Globalists. Ronald Reagan started to privatize anything. The wrong neoliberal and Monetaristic way of ruining state and society. The Neocons and Neoliberals and the Monetarism of Milton Friedman and his so called “Chicago Boys” and neoliberal free trade failed totally. The Chicago School of Economy and National Economics is totally wrong, as the whole neoliberal agenda is. I would prefer als political and economic system as in Switzerland with direct democracy and direct vote and Plebiscites and in Scandinavia with the intelligent tax system of Sweden and Finnland and the Immigration Politics of Denmark and Switzerland and Canada and Australia..

          • Steve Inskeep

            I worked on LaRouche campaign. he was a no goodnik

          • Holger Jahndel

            Could you be more explicite and tell us more?
            I know hat he is NOT perfect and Al Gore is partly right.

          • Steve Inskeep

            LaRoche was a gangster. His politics were to right of Hitler if that is possible. I thought not, until I realized exactly what he was, then I got the frick outa dodge….. Al Gore is a good man. Truly interested in the future of the planet. We are seeing effects of situation: bigger out of season storms, good read The Coming Superstorm written in 1980’s I think by climatologists. we gots trouble coming. Kinda like putting sugar or salt into a glass of hot water until it reaches saturation the all the substance ( sugar or salt) rapidly participates out onto inserted string until solution reaches again equilibrium. This is especially going to affect American west, China, India, Island nations( Malaysia, Phillipines, etc)

          • awb22

            apparently not by the oligarchy.

        • Steve Inskeep

          can’t talk to an ignorant stone.

        • Steve Inskeep

          Banned and became a non person on the fanatic site straight out of the Ministry of Truth in book 1984. Har de har har har. The crow is now allowed to post. Wish I could make 1 post, I would let em know how it is then I would be gone from the christofascists site for good.

      • Steve Inskeep

        Those aren’t ” Christian” morals, those are HUMAN morals. You Christofascists do NOT believe in others who disagree with your Taliban philosophy the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. A citizen has the right to choose who to love, not you. I could go on. You want to overthrow our secular government.

      • Steve Inskeep

        These are human values to claim that ” christians” have a corner on these values essential to civilization is ridiculous. Many atheists also think stealing, lying, rape, and murder are wrong. For you to characterize Life, Liberty and pursuit of happiness as a christian ideal is wrong. Madison ( James) insisted on a separation of church and state, the founders were theists not “christians” by and large. They saw the bad potential of one religious group trying to use the coercive power of government to compel ” religious” behavior as one evil they intended to avoid.

    • Steve Inskeep

      I would agree 100% with that view. That is indeed definition of Taliban. I got banned from Economic Collapse for expressing exactly that view. Christofascists

      • Jim Davis

        I can banned from Economic Collapse for posting my definition of neocon. Michael seems to be another evangelical Israel-firster.

        • Steve Inskeep

          Not only did the christofascists ban me they took down all my posts. I am a religious person myself, Jim, what I object to is these fascists trying to force their half baked views off on everyone else as public policy. They are very thin skinned, and really sort of shallow horrible people.

        • Steve Inskeep

          They infiltrated the Republican party starting in 1980 and now they own the Republican Party and have substituted their radical agenda for traditional republicanism so of course the Republican Party opposes Trump because they are fascists who tolerate no viewpoint but their own

          • Jim Davis

            Not only the Republican Party. Virtually every “conservative” radio talk show host is radically pro-Israel. Ever since Clear Channel took over most of radio, it has been that way. Could we get one, at least one, who at least questions whether our so-called alliance with our so-called friend, Israel, is actually of benefit to the people of the USA? There used to be hundreds of local politically-oriented talk show hosts around the nation with varying viewpoints from ultra-liberal to ultra-conservative. Now it’s just neocons and the neocon Israel-first, white Americans last point-of-view. Unfortunately, most self-described conservatives don’t understand that neoconservatism is NOT conservativism. They swallow everything that Limbaugh, Beck, Medved, Hewitt and Levine say hook, line and sinker.

          • Steve Inskeep

            the evangelicals support Israel for the same reason ISIS exists: to be the cause of armagaddon. That is ISIS’ stated purpose, to cause the next great war that will usher in the arrival of their GOD and the end of this hated ” scheme of things”. That is the purpose of the evangelicals, so in that they really are one.

  • greanfinisher .

    Well, as far as ‘Christians’ are concerned, that leaves those in Washington D.C. out.

  • DJohn1

    The principle is that no matter what you personally believe, no one has a right to change you, no matter what happens.
    IF for instance you believe the Earth is flat, below our feet is hell, and above our heads is heaven, then you have a right to that belief, even if it is blatantly wrong and we have pictures of the round globe of the Earth from space to prove it.
    That there are other planets all rotating around the Sun not the Earth and that the Moon eternally faces the same side to us is not relevant.
    Yet until recent times, that was the on-going belief of many people in the Christian Religious belief system. As recently as 1950, I remember preachers pointing to the skies and pointing to beneath our feet and saying that is heaven and hell.
    For the record, I do not know where Heaven and Hell are located.
    I do know that after the crucifixion that Jesus left the Earth and went up into the clouds. That angels were in existence and followed Jesus.
    I know that to all the evidence of the time that Jesus died on that cross. That three days later, he arose from the death and moved among his students(disciples) instructing them.
    I know Jesus apparently said I will return for my followers soon. That his generation shall not pass before that happens.
    So here we sit, close to two thousand years later waiting for that to happen.
    Only GOD, the creator, the alpha and omega, knows for sure when and if Jesus will return to this Earth. That God described both in the new and old books of the Bible must exist and has had an extreme effect on time and history.
    Yet in our present time, the signs are all there for Jesus to perhaps return in this generation.
    Well, i got news. Someone from that generation of Jesus must still be here alive. IF scripture is to be authenticated.
    We are not thinking clearly when it comes to that event.
    What if Uncle Joe died. Was put in a cave all wrapped up and perfumed to keep the death smell off of him. And then, against all laws of biology and physics, he arose from the dead. Known Uncle Joe all his life. And when he arises from the dead he is the same Uncle Joe I have always known.
    That is the mystery of Jesus. He arose from the dead. Then he was taken by angels from us up into the clouds where he disappeared.
    Nothing is said about our relative position in the universe. A universe so staggeringly big as to be almost impossible to visualize. Not just millions of stars in one galaxy. We are talking about an impossible number of galaxies out there as well.
    Science thinks the universe is 15 billion years old. I think they limit themselves and the universe might be much older than that. Or it all could have been created in the last 200,000 years or less.
    I bring it up only because our witnesses to Jesus all believed the Earth was flat and only a few thousand years old. say 6,000 to 20,000 years old.
    Times they are a changing. And with those changes an enormous number of religious beliefs have to change with them or they become obsolete and then they are little more than fiction.
    Personally, I can only say these are mysteries that Jesus himself might explain to us one day. In the meantime, we follow the rules laid down in both the new and old testaments.
    The diet prescribed by Moses in the old testament is there for a reason. Many of the people examined after death show signs of worms in their flesh. Those worms are microscopic and come from eating pork. Oysters and shrimp are nature’s pond filters. You eat them at your peril because they may or may not be clean.
    The diet itself has merit all of its own whether you believe or do not believe.
    When and if Jesus comes back in my time here on Earth, I think the churches all have a whole lot of explaining to do. What I see is a generation of people that question the old belief system and rightfully so.
    I believe that Jesus arose from the dead and left this planet behind. Only when his Father gives him permission will he ever come back to this planet and most likely he will come with an army of angels at his back to keep people from crucifying him again.
    But I believe Jesus is a god in his own right by virtue of his birth.
    I believe that through God the Father he can and did perform all kinds of things not explainable by science even of this day.
    So yes, I am also an extremist if that is taken into consideration.

    • Steve Inskeep

      You sure ” know” a lot

  • Joan Camara

    There’s some really crazy “christian” nuts out there, and they really give the real, and the good, and the smart, and the normal christians a bad name. I just talked to one not to long ago. I stopped talking to them, because they were so extremist in their views, it was just too ridiculous. There are many intelligent christians who are humble and are kind and generous, and have many good qualities about them, like not taking verses of the bible to the extreme. There’s just as many ignorant “christians” out there, too.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…I feel so bad for the ones that say they are christians, but then they say that homosexuality is ok….”

      what do you expect when Christians argue over interpretations of the bible

      • Joan Camara

        I know, right?? I just can’t fathom how…I can’t even think of a word to describe the “no brain” syndrome, of what you say…that someone says their a christian, but says homosexuality is ok….it’s just….mind boggling. I just have to show you this conversation I had on yahoo messenger with a so called “christian” friend of mine. He’s a male, in his 60’s. And he gave these reasons why it’s “ok”…such as “the disciples said it was bad”, but NOT Jesus….and I kept a log of of our conversation about it, so here’s a few comments He made:

        “I believe ‘love’ is love and gay is genetic as scientists have proven…anyone question why people are sexual in the first place? Heck yeah, gays, les. have rights too to love and marry whom they so choose.”
        “S(odom) and G(omorrah)….Old Testament…Jesus said I am new that you may no longer be bound by old law.”
        “Nope, I simply asked you to show me a verse of a JESUS quote and you have not done so. Quoted old testament and Paul, not JESUS.”

        Here’s another question I gave him:
        “so you say there’s no sin in homosexuality?”
        And here’s his reply:
        “No more than any other ‘adultery'”

        Oh, but THIS one REALLY blew my mind:

        This is him again:

        Jesus quote on Homosexuality: From these words, some Christians draw the conclusion that heterosexuality is the creation norm and, thus, heterosexual marriage is the only legitimate way for people to form romantic relationships. Ironically, Jesus’ own words in this very same passage refute these conclusions. Jesus responds:“Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12) Adding to this as Jesus ONLY direct address about Homosesexuality: Moreover, as we have also seen, eunuchs were commonly associated with homosexual desire. (For a complete discussion of the term “born eunuch” and the connection with homosexuality, see The Early Church Welcomed a Gay Man.) As a reasonably informed person of his time, Jesus would have been aware of this common view of eunuchs. Yet he very matter-of-factly asserts that some people are simply born that way. The implication of his statement is profound — God created gay people the way they are! Jesus says so.

        So, there it is…unbelievable. And this is AFTER I gave him EVERY verse there was about homosexuality:
        Leviticus 18:22: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination,”
        Leviticus 20:13: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination…
        Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
        Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
        1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

        Romans Chapter 1
        24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
        25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
        26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
        27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

        So there’s your statement saying how people use their own interpretation. Amazing huh? So sad even so.

        • Gay Veteran

          put 10 Christians in a room with 1 bible verse and you’ll get 11 different interpretations

          • Joan Camara

            Of course you will, because there are MANY different bibles…ALL saying different things. Because Satan’s time is short, he has had man make ALL these different versions to confuse EVERYONE, and lead them AWAY from God! …AND, have everyone ANGRY at one another, because they think, their view of a verse, is the RIGHT one! Oh, so sad….why can’t everyone realize what satan is doing, and stay with the original King James….

          • Gay Veteran

            the “original” King James?
            ROFLOL

          • Joan Camara

            Hey, laugh all you want. It’s your soul. I heard satan had a bible too…that one sounds like the one YOU would be more into…

          • Gay Veteran

            why all these versions of the bible?
            so much for the UNchanging word of “god”

    • Steve Inskeep

      Spoken like a true nut.

  • Traveler

    It can go both ways.

  • freedom vs censorship

    Seems like a lot of Christians go heavy on censorship of anything they consider unbiblical. Today I read that someone in the book “Extraordinary Centenarians in America” got the National Coalition against Censorship Award!

    Maybe people who tell others what they’re not allowed to do is bad for longevity. I know one study found that seniors in rest homes who were allowed to arrange stuff in their room how they wanted it lived longer.

    • freedom

      Another person who was 114 during the interview for the book says never raise your voice or your hand to a child. Besse Cooper, the world’s oldest person at age 116, says “Mind your own business and don’t eat junk food.”

  • Gay Veteran

    oh boo hoo hoo, you Christians no longer dominate this society like you use to.

    but then you “good Christians” tossed your gay children into the street, stood by and said nothing as gays were fired merely for being gay (or did the firing yourself)

    you “good Christians” stood by and said nothing as gays were beaten, even murdered (or did the beating and murdering yourself)

    now the shoe is on the other foot, and my sympathy is limited because of your history of oppression

    • Holger Jahndel

      The problem is, that with the disapearance of Christianity also other good things, coming from it, will disapear. And the masons will not replace it.

      • Gay Veteran

        who says Christianity is going to disappear?

        • Steve Inskeep

          what is going to disappear is their blood drenched hands are gonna disappear from the levers of power that they think they have a right to.

          • Gay Veteran

            loss of power is the Christians’ real complaint.
            and the really sad fact is that they don’t want to admit that they face a TINY fraction of the discrimination other minorities have faced in the past

          • Steve Inskeep

            yep. Trump represents the repudiation of their infiltration of Republican Party starting in 1980 and the substitution of their warped ” values” for central republican tenets

          • Steve Inskeep

            they demand the ” right” to discriminate and clothe it in pious ” religious liberty” arguments.

          • Steve Inskeep

            got dat right

    • Seen2013

      “who says Christianity is going to disappear?”

      You should look into think-tanks archives, journals, memoirs, and etc for that question.

      “now the shoe is on the other foot, and my sympathy is limited because of your history of oppression”

      After you read what’s available, I would hope that you realize; the people conducting the oppression aren’t really within Christian denominations at all; they simply perverse scriptures/clauses to argue their position that truly isn’t is.

      Holger Jahndel
      “The problem is, that with the disapearance of Christianity also other good things, coming from it, will disapear.”

      Unless it promotes the 7 Deadly sins that were prevalent and highly encouraged during history’s darkest eras then it’ll be allowed.
      Lets face it public-private partnerships/mergers are rebounding along with guilty until proven innocent and guilty by association. It’s like people didn’t learn from Cardinal Richelieu practically violating every Protestant doctrine principle that centrally led to him being praised as the World’s First Prime Minister…

    • awb22

      haha, don’t flatter yourself, although I have to admit a certain schadenfreude about AIDS, sodomite.

    • Steve Inskeep

      yep. They have been abusing people in the cruel vicious name of hate the sin love the sinner bs…. on the one hand, they want children killed to avoid having to live in ” satan’s world” but claim to abhor abortion….. they don’t mind if ” the other’s” kids are maimed and blown up by aggressive government and their hypocracy is showing……. I got banned from Economic Collapse, fascists, proves my whole point of these Taliban fanatics……

    • Steve Inskeep

      you are welcome to come to my Constitutional Liberty discussion. You won’t be banned like I was on Economic collapse har de har har har though I will ban abusive trolls

    • When any group is lumped into one huge category, that makes the entire statement invalid. Not all true believers and followers of Jesus Christ are as you claim. Some of us do serve and love ALL who have been in “the gay lifestyle” . . . The TRUTH and the beauty of the relationship with Jesus is this: it’s nothing you can force on anybody, it’s free choice. What a person chooses to do is his/her business, but so too is the resulting consequences of those choices.

      Truth is still the truth, even if nobody believes it. Lies are still lies, even if everybody believes it. The truth is this: there is only one way into the Heavenly Father’s House, it’s to abide by His rules . . Salvation through Jesus Christ, where we repent of our sins and receive forgiveness from those sins. We get to choose if we will follow the Father’s rules: His house . . His rules.

      A person in a homosexual “lifestyle” has the opportunity to choose to follow the rules of the Heavenly Father or not. . .just like this former “religious Christian” who got set free from the doctrines of man, to have a REAL relationship with Jesus Christ. Yes, “religion” kills the heart and soul, BUT a true relationship with Jesus brings life.

      • Gay Veteran

        put 10 Christians into a room with 1 bible verse and you’ll get 11 different interpretations.
        so much for the unchanging word of god.

        and besides, the bible couldn’t even have an explicit condemnation of slavery soooooo clear that American slave owners couldn’t use the bible to justify slavery

    • Kathleen Lee

      My best friend of 32 years just passed away from brain cancer. The last year of his life I took care of him. I was the only one there with him. He was gay, born-again Christian who believed in civil unions only. And said that traditional marriage is how it has always been and how it should always be. What was he, gay veteran? Does his opinion matter or count if it differs from yours? I have never oppressed anyone in my life. These generalizations by you lack merit to me. I can’t tell you how many friends I’ve had in my 66 years, but a good deal of them were gay, lesbian, black, Hispanic, etc. I’ve never prejudged anyone because of who they slept with or the color of their skin. If you’ve had a bad experiences, they didn’t come from people like me and evangelical Christian who loves you!

      • Gay Veteran

        “…I have never oppressed anyone in my life….” key word there is “I”

        well assuming your story is true, you are a very atypical fundamentalist.

  • donna

    ridiculous. answers to many are conditional First category of very extreme has three. I would certainly refuse standard medical care in SOME INSTANCEs for my child; and I would also refuse service to someone who came into my establishment with express purpose of creating an incident. this happens as we all know with bakers and florists in areas where people can locate a merchant who does not object they deliberately chose a religious one with exception of a mulsim owned business. as for the 72 activities that most americans think are characteristic of extremism it only goes to show how stupid and ill informed populace is on their constitutional rights and guarantees

  • Although your points are valid,i’ll suggest that the persecution of Bible believing Christians will not come from the “world” but from false teachers who think that they will be doing the work of God. 2nd timothy 3

  • Hank

    What is considered “extreme” today, is a result of a Godless people. Those that reject the Trinity, God will give them over to a depraved mind. That is why the U.S. and the world is in chaos.

  • Gay Veteran

    the bible couldn’t get slavery right, so don’t give me any lectures on morality based on the bible