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Putin Vs. Obama: Shall We Compare The Two Leaders Or Will That Be Too Embarrassing For America?

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Putin Vs. ObamaHave you noticed that the United States and Russia are heading in two very different directions?  United behind a very strong leader with an 89.9 percent approval rating, Russia is stunning the world with the efficiency with which it is striking ISIS in Syria.  Of course Vladimir Putin is far from perfect, and there are real questions about what Russia’s true motives in Syria and elsewhere are, but this is a leader and a country that have shown that they can get things done.  In the U.S., on the other hand, we are being led by a weak, ineffective con man in the White House that has just a 45.3 percent approval rating.  Under Obama, the federal government seems to be inept at just about everything, and this is especially true when it comes to foreign policy.

It has gotten to the point to where it is really embarrassing to be an American.  The Russians know this and aren’t afraid to gloat about it.  In fact, one Russian commentator even suggested that Barack Obama isn’t “a real man”, and it is hard to argue with that.

Here in the United States, prominent voices are expressing similar sentiments.  Just consider the photo that former congressman Allen West recently posted on his Facebook page

Putin Vs. Obama

Personally, I definitely don’t agree with everything that Putin does.  But when it comes to the global stage, it seems like he is playing chess while Obama is playing checkers.

And of course what is playing out in Syria right now is the latest example of this.  Russia’s bombing campaign has accomplished in just a few weeks what the Obama administration was either unwilling or unable to do in over a year.  The success of this campaign has propelled Putin to unprecedented heights of popularity.  The following comes from a Russian news agency

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s approval rating has hit a new high at 89.9 percent, according to the Russian Public Opinion Research Center’s (VTsIOM) new poll published Thursday.

“The approval rating of Vladimir Putin’s activities has set a new record of 89.9 percent, breaking the previous record set in June 2015 [of 89.1 percent],” VTsIOM reported.

The pollster said that the most important factor in the high approval rating was due to Putin’s efforts in Syria, including airstrikes targeted at the Islamic State jihadist group.

Unlike in the United States, war tends to make leaders even more popular in Russia.

That may sound strange to you, but people think very differently over there.  In Russia, people are actually proud of their country and proud of their military, and when the Russian military is doing well that reflects well on the current leadership.

Understanding that, it makes sense that Putin’s numbers have soared since the beginning of last year

In January 2014, shortly before the start of the crisis, Vladimir Putin had a 65% approval rating. Since then, his approval rating has skyrocketed to a stunning 89%, even as Russia’s economy is facing sanctions related difficulties. This is an all time high for him, with his previously highest approval rating being 88% in 2008, shortly after victory in the Russo-Georgian War.

In Syria, the Obama administration had been hoping to use some combination of ISIS and other Islamic terror groups to overthrow the Assad regime.

Obviously that is not likely to happen now, and the Russians are calling out the Obama administration over this disgraceful strategy.  Just check out what Putin had to say about this when he recently spoke with reporters

Speaking today at the International Valdai Discussion Club’s 12th annual meeting in Sochi, Putin delivered a sweeping critique of military strategy and foreign policy touching on everything from the erroneous labeling of some extremists as “moderates” to the futility of nuclear war.

“Why play with words dividing terrorists into moderate and not moderate. What’s the difference?,” Putin asked, adding that “success in fighting terrorists cannot be reached if using some of them as a battering ram to overthrow disliked regimes [because] it’s just an illusion that they can be dealt with [later], removed from power and somehow negotiated with.” 

For so long, the American people have greatly underestimated the Russians.

Yes, the Russian Bear was wounded at the end of the Cold War, but now it is back – more ferocious and more determined than ever.

I want to share with you an extended excerpt from a piece that I came across on Jim Quinn’s Burning Platform.  This piece was translated from Russian, and it was originally entitled “Why The Russians Cannot Be Defeated”.  I think that you will quickly see why I am sharing this…

*****

Then why do we, Russians, are able to part with life so easily when looking the enemy in the eye?

It’s laid down in our historical memory, starting with the time when the first aggressor set foot on our Russian soil. It has always been like that. Since the beginning of time.

Only the chainmail and the helmets are different, spears have been replaced by assault rifles. We have tanks and we have learned to fly. But the memory remains the same. And it is activated whenever someone wants to destroy or capture our home. The memory also bothers us when the weak are abused.

How does it work? Alarm bells inside of us start ringing, which only we can hear. The memory continues to ring until the uninvited guests are expelled from our land.

Then the most important thing happens. Inside each one of us a warrior awakens. Every one, from the meek to the powerful. This is what ties us with invisible threads. Foreigners will not understand it. You have to BE Russian, be BORN one.

When our land is in danger, or when somewhere on Earth someone is being harmed, be in in Angola, Vietnam, or Ossetia, our snipers become the most accurate and tankers—fireproof. Pilots become aces and recall such unlikely feats as ramming attacks and stall tactics. Our reconnaissance soldiers accomplish miracles, sailors become unsinkable, and infantry appears to be composed of stalwart lead soldiers.

And every Russian, without exception, becomes a defender. Even the oldest of men and the youngest of children. Recall the grandpa from Novorossia, who fed the enemy with a jar of honey filled with explosive. That’s a real story. We have a country full of such warriors.

Therefore anyone who expects to attack the Russians and to find them waiting on bent knees, welcoming the invaders with loaves of bread and flowers, will be sorely disappointed. They will see an entirely different picture. I don’t think they will like it.

They will see our grandfathers, fathers, husbands, and brothers. Behind them will be their mothers, wives, daughters. And behind them will be the heroes of Afghanistan and Chechnya, the soldiers of the Great Patriotic War and the First World War, the fighters from Kulikovo Field and the Battle on the Ice.

Get Prepared

Let’s look at Bubnov’s painting “The Morning on the Kulikovo Field”. Note the formation of the Russian regiments: the front rows consist of elders, behind them are the younger generations, the young, healthy, and strong warriors who represent the army’s main force. It’s an ancient, Scythian combat order, a brilliant conception from the psychological point of view. The first rows will be the first to perish when making contact with the enemy, one might say they are suicide warriors since they are wearing white shirts and have almost no armor. That’s where the saying “don’t get ahead of your dad on the way to hell” comes from.

The elders are supposed to die before the eyes of their grandsons, the fathers before the eyes of their sons, and their death will fill the hearts of the young with battle frenzy, adding the element of personal revenge. The word “revenge” [mest’] comes from the word “place” [mesto], it’s a purely military term describing the young warrior taking place in formation that was left empty by the killed elder.”

Because we are Russians…God is with us!

*****

These are the people that we want to mess with?

Seriously?

I couldn’t imagine many Americans speaking like this about their own nation today.  Most Americans won’t miss a meal for their country, much less being willing to lay down their lives.

At one time we could take comfort in our vast military superiority over Russia, but that advantage is now almost entirely gone.

And at one time we had the high moral ground over the Soviet Union, but today Russia is calling us the new “evil empire”, and they have some very valid points.

Earlier this year, I reported that a survey had found that 81 percent of all Russians now view the United States negatively.  Not even during the days of the Cold War had that number been so high.

Tensions between our two nations are rising, and the Russians are united behind a very strong leader that gets things done and that doesn’t mess around.

What have we got?

Perhaps we shouldn’t be so arrogant.  We don’t exactly have a winning hand.

  • nilst2011

    Russia has accomplished more in a few weeks against ISIS than USA has during a year ! Do You wonder why ? USA arm and support terroristgroups world wide while Russia want to eradicate them once and for all. Yes, USA is the evil country.

    • rmc9

      …pres. obeyme…the evil leader of it…and not a man.

    • Steven M Zerbey

      I cannot accept the premise, “the USA is the evil country”. Yes, our leadership have committed evil in the world and our compliant media has lied about it but when the American people discover the truth, like our arming of terrorists in Syria or the torturing of prisoners, they overwhelmingly reject it.

      • Gay Veteran

        the shepple will continue voting for democrats and republicans

      • Guest

        Where’s your “Overwhelming rejection?”

      • jaxon64

        Average American::: ” I overwhelmingly reject the actions of our government and mili–oops, hush up, commercial is over and my show is back on.”
        Americans may have a 30 second thought of disapproval about something IF the media wants to tell them to be upset about something, but the second the media quits mentioning it–the “average American” turns the ballgame or reality TV back on and forgets…..

      • Nabiy

        Yes the they reject it yet they do what?? Face it morality gives a person a spine immorality will leave them spineless.. Sadly to say I’m an American too shalom

      • Krugg_the_Patriot

        No they won’t, not any more than when those same americans found out PP was auctioning off baby organs to the highest bidder. The American people love to blame everything on their evil government… but in a democracy, the government reflects the people.

    • mervin.hanawalt@gmail.com

      You are absolutely right..

    • The_Agent921

      yeah I’m impressed by how much Russia has gotten done in just 3 weeks worth of war, it makes the U.S look pale compared to them.

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    Oh come on! The Russians have suffered plenty of defeats. In fact, if they weren’t beaten by the Swedish Vikings in the 9th Century there’d be no Russia today – who knows what it’d be.

    Obama looks completely ridiculous and effeminate. His decisions resulted in anarchy, riots, deaths, and popularizing that uncivilized barbarism called racism. Putin… they claim he down’s tigers – whatever. If he did it with an army knife and shirtless, that would be something. Anyone can shoot a tiger with the right ammo and can tell his elbow from his #$%.

    We won’t get many decent folks to vote into office anymore. Isaiah put it best: “And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them. And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable. When a man shall take hold of his brother of the house of his father, saying, Thou hast clothing, be thou our ruler, and let this ruin be under thy hand: In that day shall he swear, saying, I will not be an healer; for in my house is neither bread nor clothing: make me not a ruler of the people.” (Isaiah 3: 4-7)

    • Steven M Zerbey

      Wrong, with the surrender of Japan to the Americans in 1945 Russia remains the only Civilization in the entire world not conquered and subjugated at one time or the other by Western Civilization. Source: The Clash of Civilizations by Samuel P. Huntington

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        Review some historical records. Clash of Civilizations is an opinion piece at best. It’s an interesting thesis, but I’m not hinging an argument on it alone.

    • Gay Veteran

      off topic, but interesting:

      Mormons Say Duty to Law on Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Faith
      By JACK HEALYOCT. 22, 2015

      “…In a speech this week about the boundaries between church and state, Dallin Oaks, a high-ranking apostle in the church, said that public officials like Ms. Davis, the clerk in Rowan County, Ky., had a duty to follow the law, despite their religious convictions.

      “Office holders remain free to draw upon their personal beliefs and motivations and advocate their positions in the public square,” Elder Oaks said. “But when acting as public officials, they are not free to apply personal convictions, religious or other, in place of the defined responsibilities of their public offices. All government officers should exercise their civil authority according to the principles and within the limits of civil government.”

      Referring to Ms. Davis without naming her, Elder Oaks said: “A county clerk’s recent invoking of religious reasons to justify refusal by her office and staff to issue marriage licenses to same-gender couples violates this principle.”

      …“Even where they have challenged laws or practices on constitutional grounds, once those laws or practices have been sustained by the highest available authority, believers should acknowledge their validity and submit to them,” Elder Oaks said….”

      • afchief

        The Mormons are wrong!!!

        • Gay Veteran

          aren’t they your fellow Christians?

          • afchief

            Nope! They are an occult!

          • Gay Veteran

            Christ on a raft. Learn English. You mean “a cult”

          • VigilanteCaregiver

            Oxford dictionary. Cult: “a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object” I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We worship Jesus Christ – we revere Joseph Smith like folks revere Moses, Abraham, Adam, Jacob, Ezra, etc.

            You’re entitled to your views. This is what we believe.

    • Gay Veteran

      oh, so now you’re a Russian history expert.

      I’m curious about which blogs people with your mind set read.

      I routinely read the following:
      1. Zerohedge [libertarian],
      2. oftwominds (Charles Hugh Smith)[independent/libertarian],
      3. Market Ticker (Karl Denninger) [libertarian, one of the founders of the Tea Party movement],
      4. Paul Craig Roberts [paleo-conservative]
      5. Gerald Celente [independent],
      6. The Burning Platform [libertarian],
      7. Saker [anti-U.S. empire].

      WOW, guess what? NO liberal or democrat blogs!

      • VigilanteCaregiver

        It’s a list – so what? That’s not a proof.

        And labeling me a fake expert when I never claimed expertise is quite rude. Also shows how desperate you are to discredit me.

        I prefer scriptures, textbooks, technical manuals, research papers, and sourced news services. Mike’s articles are interesting and he does source his material in context.

        • Gay Veteran

          in other words you mainly read that bad fiction from the 19th century: the book of mormom.

          MAYBE if you read ANY of the following you wouldn’t be so stoopid:

          1. Zerohedge [libertarian],
          2. oftwominds (Charles Hugh Smith)[independent/libertarian],
          3. Market Ticker (Karl Denninger) [libertarian, one of the founders of the Tea Party movement],
          4. Paul Craig Roberts [paleo-conservative]
          5. Gerald Celente [independent],
          6. The Burning Platform [libertarian],
          7. Saker [anti-U.S. empire].

      • afchief

        Liberalism is a mental disorder. Why would one go to those blogs?

        • Gay Veteran

          hey Mr. Moron, NONE of these blogs are liberal:

          1. Zerohedge [libertarian],
          2. oftwominds (Charles Hugh Smith)[independent/libertarian],
          3. Market Ticker (Karl Denninger) [libertarian, one of the founders of the Tea Party movement],
          4. Paul Craig Roberts [paleo-conservative]
          5. Gerald Celente [independent],
          6. The Burning Platform [libertarian],
          7. Saker [anti-U.S. empire].

          • afchief

            Well Mr Pack the fudge, I do go to some of those websites.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh NOW you say that.
            judging from your photo, you’re more likely to visit the bestiality websites

          • afchief

            Is that the pot calling the kettle black? I’m not the one who packs fudge!!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            nah, you’re just into bestiality (female, of course)

          • Gay Veteran

            guess you’re too dense to understand that your fellow heterosexuals “pack the fudge”

          • afchief

            Not many like you fudge packers like to claim. They to are of a reprobate mind. Just like you!

          • Gay Veteran

            poor, poor Mr. Moron, you need to go back to your street corner and pray loudly

    • Gay Veteran

      hey junior, did you read what afchief wrote below? mormons are an occult. ROFLOL. See, I told you real Christians thinks mormons are a cult

  • afchief

    Barack Obama has openly lied to U.S. citizens with no apologies, he’s ignored the Constitution, inflamed race relations and urged Hispanics to punish Republican “enemies.” He abandoned our ¬allies, appeased tyrants, coddled adversaries and used the Crusades as an excuse for inaction as Islamist terrorists slaughter their way across the Middle East.

    Now Obama has brutally attacked our only real ally and the sole representative of Western Civilization in the Middle East, Israel?

    Just look at how he sat on his hands while ISIS took over the middle east… and then squandered all gains from Iraq and Afghanistan. He has destroyed our foreign policy. He has ruined our country.

    Stateside, our pResident has crippled our economy. Everybody I know is either out of work or under-employed. And our expenses keep rising. My health insurance is now up to $400/month. Before the government touched it, it was $250/month! My auto insurance, which the government has yet to ruin, is thankfully only $24/month (from Insurance Panda). Please, Obama! Don’t try to socialize ANYTHING ELSE!

    With everything Obama touches now in shambles, Barry needs a new hobby. When is he going to wake up? When is America and the rest of the world going to wake up? Islamic extremists need to be eliminated… and for that to happen in the west, Islam needs to be confined to the Middle East.

    Obama promised to change America, he is actually in the process of changing the entire planet to conform to his perverse vision of rule by a Stone Age totalitarian theocracy. Obama is a psychopath who belongs in an asylum.

    • Steven M Zerbey

      Obama has only continued the same regime change polices, failed policies, in the Muslim World begun under the Bush Administration. The differences being; Obama was force to use Islamic jihadists like Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, and Daesh (ISIL) because the American people are unwilling to continue making the sacrifices, to die, required to maintain the American Empire.

      • afchief

        Wrong! 0lawless is a traitor. He is scum!

        • Native Respect

          go back to your football you uneducated voter.

          • mervin.hanawalt@gmail.com

            Who the hell are the people (constitutional people) going to vote for?

          • afchief

            Is the pot calling the kettle black? Hmmm………………….

            Obama’s Ties to Socialism, Marxism, and Communism

            1. Obama’s Father Wrote About Socialism

            2. Obama’s Mother Was a “Communist Sympathizer”

            3. Obama’s Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist USSR)

            4. Obama’s Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member)

            5. Obama’s Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists

            6. Obama Attended Socialist Conferences at Cooper Union

            7. Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her in the Illinois State Senate

            8. Obama’s Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dorhn’s Chicago Home

            9. Obama Had a Close Relationship with the “Anti-Capitalist” Group ACORN

            10. Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialists in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them

            11. Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders –

            12. Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guervara

            13. The Communist Party USA Endorsed Obama

            14. Obama’s Church is Rooted in Liberation Theology which is Rooted in Marxism

            15. Obama’s Opening Band…open many of their shows by playing the Soviet National Anthem…

          • Gay Veteran

            I’m curious about which blogs republican morons like you read.

            I routinely read the following:
            1. Zerohedge [libertarian],
            2. oftwominds (Charles Hugh Smith)[independent/libertarian],
            3. Market Ticker (Karl Denninger) [libertarian, one of the founders of the Tea Party movement],
            4. Paul Craig Roberts [paleo-conservative]
            5. Gerald Celente [independent],
            6. The Burning Platform [libertarian],
            7. Saker [anti-U.S. empire].

            WOW, guess what? NO liberal or democrat blogs

          • afchief

            Ahh, but Mr Pack the fudge, the truth is the enemy with liberals!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            Ahhhh, but Mr. Moron, so sad YOU still don’t get it:

            democrats = republicans

          • afchief

            Ahhh…..Mr. Pack the fudge, The HALLMARK of any Liberal Socialist (Democrat) is LIES, FRAUD, DECEPTION and CORRUPTION

          • Gay Veteran

            Ahhh…..Mr. Moron, The HALLMARK of any “conservative” (republican) is LIES, FRAUD, DECEPTION and CORRUPTION

            so sad YOU still don’t get it:
            democrats = republicans

          • afchief

            But, Mr Pack the fudge, I have come to learn that when you are dealing with liberals, I have discovered that truth and reason do not enter into the equation. It is akin to dealing with hardened hearts to whom Truth is a category to be ignored, at all costs……you

          • Gay Veteran

            the really sad part of it all is that you are a member of a tribe, and that tribe is “conservatives”, and you will block out anything that is opposed to your tribe.
            I feel so sorry for you. Maybe one day you will wake up

          • afchief

            Maybe, one day Mr. Pack the fudge you will learn the error of your ways and stop packing fudge. It is DEATH!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            Maybe, one day Mr. Moron you will learn the error of your ways and stop f-ing dogs. It is DEATH!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            what? you can’t answer a simple question? what blogs do YOU read?

            and did you notice the blogs I read don’t contain a single liberal or democrat?

            so sad YOU still don’t get it:

            democrats = republicans

          • afchief

            Ahh, but Mr Pack the fudge I read the truth. The Word of God!!! Why would I read liberal websites. Lying is their defining characteristic!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            Ahh, but Mr. Moron, which of these sites are liberal:

            1. Zerohedge [libertarian],
            2. oftwominds (Charles Hugh Smith)[independent/libertarian],
            3. Market Ticker (Karl Denninger) [libertarian, one of the founders of the Tea Party movement],
            4. Paul Craig Roberts [paleo-conservative]
            5. Gerald Celente [independent],
            6. The Burning Platform [libertarian],
            7. Saker [anti-U.S. empire].

            so sad YOU still don’t get it:
            democrats = republicans

          • I read some of the same sites. Good ones. Give Kunstler a try at ClusterfuckNation
            I wore that uniform seven years myself.

          • Gay Veteran

            yes, James Kunstler is good. I read Clusterfucknation every Monday

          • afchief

            Hmmmm……

            Constitutional Violations by Obama

            1. The individual mandate (obamacare)

            2. Medicaid coercion

            3. The Independent Payment Advisory Board (a.k.a. “The Death Panel”)

            4. The GM, Chrysler bailout

            5. Dodd-Frank

            6. The deep-water drilling ban

            7. Political-speech disclosure for federal contractors

            8. Taxing political contributions

            9. Graphic tobacco warnings

            10. Health care waivers

          • afchief

            Hmmm…….

            Top 10 Obama Lies

            President Obama is becoming a veritable Pinocchio by stretching the truth on a regular basis. Here are the Top 10 Obama Lies.

            1. Americans want higher taxes: During the debate over raising the debt ceiling, President Obama said that 80% of Americans support including higher taxes as part of the deal. But a Rasmussen poll taken the same week showed that only 34% believe a tax hike should be included in a debt-ceiling agreement.

            2. Mother denied health insurance: During his presidential campaign, Obama said that his mother died of cancer after being denied coverage for a preexisting condition. He used her image in a campaign ad, repeated the claim in debates, and used the same rhetoric as President when he tried to sell ObamaCare to the American people. But a new book by New York Times reporter Janny Scott says that Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, had health insurance through her employer and was only denied disability insurance.

            3. Tax restraint for middle and lower class: Obama pledged during his campaign and throughout his presidency not to raise taxes on families making less than $250,000. But ObamaCare’s individual mandate will hit many under the $250,000 mark. (Obama’s own Justice Department said the mandate was a tax, not a penalty, when it argued its constitutionality.) Not to mention a higher federal cigarette tax and countless other “fees” in the health care law that hit the middle and lower class.

            4. Shovel-ready jobs: When Obama was selling his $787 billion stimulus package, he consistently bragged about how shovel-ready construction jobs would be funded across the nation. Even the President later admitted that was a lie, when he told the New York Times: “There’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.”

            5. Keep your doctor: President Obama repeatedly pledged that under his health care measure, Americans would be able to keep their doctors. However, with rising costs, many employers will dump their health care plans and force workers into the state health care exchanges (unless you belong to one of the unions getting ObamaCare waivers.) A survey by McKinsey & Company found that more than 30% of companies will discontinue coverage for their workers.

            6. No lobbyists: During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama said: “We have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. … I don’t take a dime of their money, and when I am President, they won’t find a job in my White House.” At least a dozen former lobbyists got top jobs in his administration at the beginning of his presidency, according to Politico, and National Public Radio reported the Obama administration was granting waivers to lobbyists to circumvent the ban.

            7. Foreign money in campaigns: During his 2010 State of the Union address, and again during the 2010 midterm elections, Obama railed against foreign money influencing U.S. elections. The only problem was that there was no evidence to support the charge or, as Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, in the State of the Union audience, silently mouthed, “Not true.”

            8. Arizona immigration law: During the battle over Arizona’s immigration law, President Obama said: “Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.” Uh, actually, Mr. President, it couldn’t. The law would allow law enforcement officials to inquire about immigration status only when there is suspicion of a crime being committed.

            9. Transparency: Obama pledged that transparency would be a top priority, but his administration refused to grant one-third of the Freedom of Information Act requests, according to an Associated Press analysis. He also was dishonest about transparency when he said that health-care negotiations would be televised on C-SPAN and that he would wait five days to sign a bill so people would have a chance to read it online.

            10. Constitutional oath: During his January 2009 inauguration, Barack Obama pledged to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” yet he has consistently ignored the 10th Amendment giving powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the states. Exhibit No. 1: ObamaCare.

          • afchief

            Hmmm………….

            The Corruption and Lies of 0bama

            Fast & Furious

            SEAL Team 6

            Aid and comfort to the enemy

            Stole our 401K Auto Stock and gave it to the Auto unions

            Obamacare would save the avg family $2500 per year

            Forcing businesses to violate

            their religious beliefs

            Violating the rights and sanctity of our Churches

            Obamacare web site-cronyism

            NSA acting as Obama Gestapo

            18 Trillion in debt

            Lies about Benghazi

            Voter fraud

            Intentionally trying to hurt Americans during the sequester

            Intentionally trying to hurt Americans during govt shutdown

            Blocking veterans from seeing their own memorials

            Allowing illegals on mall during govt shutdown

            Shutting down ‘The Peoples House’ tours

            We can keep our insurance if we like it

            We can keep our doctors if we like them

            Military not getting their votes counted

            Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood with arms and money

            DOJ spying on the free press

            Not securing our borders

            Spying on Americans on American soil with drones

            SOLYNDRA

            Picking winners and losers

            IRS targeting conservatives

            IRS targeting the Tea Party

            Millions losing health care coverage

            Increasing welfare rolls

            Increasing disability rolls

            Countless party’s

            Countless exorbitant vacations

            Releasing illegal’s from prison

            Unconstitutional recess appointment

            NO budget for 5 years

            Destroying the coal industry

            Clapper lying to congress

            Holder lying to congress

            Failing to prosecute the New Black Panther

            Reading our e-mail

            War on women

            Promoting race war

            War between makers and takers

            A123 Systems

            Cash for clunkers failure

            Debasing the U.S. Currency through inflationary “Quantitave Easing”

            Common Core

            Trayvon Martin

            Infanticide supporter

            Abortion supporter

          • Gay Veteran

            closed-minded people like YOU who vote republican OR democrat are accessories to murder and theft (of our tax dollars) by the psychopaths in DC

          • afchief

            Ahh but Mr. Pack the Fudge, the HALLMARK of any Liberal Socialist (Democrat) is LIES, FRAUD, DECEPTION and CORRUPTION.

          • Gay Veteran

            Ahh but Mr. Moron, the HALLMARK of any republican is LIES, FRAUD, DECEPTION and CORRUPTION.

            so sad YOU still don’t get it:

            democrats = republicans

          • afchief

            Ahhh but Mr Pack the fudge, A person has to be morally bankrupt, shortsighted, selfish for handouts, stupid, perverted, or evil to vote for a liberal/Democrat president.

            Wait, that is you!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            Ahhh but Mr. Moron, I don’t vote for democrats. Or Republicans.

            but morons like YOU do!
            so you’re an accomplice to murder and theft (of our tax dollars) by the psychopaths in DC

            so sad YOU still don’t get it:
            democrats = republicans

          • afchief

            But, Mr. Pack the Fudge, Socialism is a merciless jihad against humanity, and Dem’RATs are just socialists hiding behind the L-word. Liberal — even their name is a lie. As long as democxrats rule: no jobs, no economy, no America…collapse eminent…

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, I’m not a democrat, I’m not a liberal.
            But YOU are a parrot squacking about “liberal” this and “liberal” that when YOU don’t understand that
            democrat = republican

          • afchief

            Reprobate craniums like yours “pack the fudge”

          • Gay Veteran

            Christ on a raft, is that all you got?!?!?!?

          • afchief

            Hmmmmm……..

            Barry Soetoro bowed before the Saudi King.

            Barry has been sending aide to Kenya – illegally.

            Barry said that the most beautiful sound he ever heard was the call to prayer from the mosque.

            Barry cancelled the National Day of Prayer so that no one would be “offended.”

            Barry then invited muslim clerics into the WH to pray.

            Barry said he’d get to the bottom with an investigation of Fast and Furious.

            He said he’d have “shovel ready jobs on day one of his administration. Cost 1 TRILLION Dollars and

            NO Frigging jobs!!!

            He said he was outraged and would hold the persons responsible for Benghazi accountable.

            Nothing so far.

            He tried to give modern air craft fighter jets to the muslim brotherhood along with 200 tanks.

            Fortunately that was quashed.

            He fainted outrage about the IRS and said he’d launch an investigation. Elijah Cummings has been

            trying to quash the investigation. Barry said that there was not a “smidgeon of corruption” it is a

            phony scandal. But it’s is still making it’s way through the courts.

            He has hidden his Real Birth Certificate, college transcripts and is using a man’s SSN from Conn. as

            his own. Thought he was born in Hawaii? Why would he need an SSN fron CONN.?

            He;s been pushing to divide Jerusalem. Every time he does. The USA get smacked with horrendous

            storms or floods.

            They passed the socialist program NoBamaNoKare on Christmas Eve behind locked doors. Which

            will now cost 20% more in taxes across the board.

            We fed up yet?

          • afchief

            Hmmmmm………

            0bama’s Acts of Treason:

            1. Perpetrating acts of fraud, perjury and conspiracy in his refusal to confirm his lawful eligibility to serve as president under the U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 1, constituting impeachable offenses of high crimes and misdemeanors adumbrated in U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 4;

            2. Surrendering sovereign U.S. war-making to foreign powers and international authorities by attacking Libya without consulting Congress, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article 1, Section 8 and U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 33:1541-1548;

            3. Accepting foreign title and office while acting as U.S. President and without consulting Congress when in 2009, Obama assumed the Chairmanship of the UN Security Council, the international body responsible for declaring war on behalf of the UN, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article I, Section 9;

            4. Making bribery attempts in word and in deed, as Obama administration offered bribes to at least three Federal candidates for office: Joe Sestak, Andrew Romanoff and Jim Matheson, in violation of U.S. Code Title 18, Section 201;

            5. Defying a Federal Court Order by refusing to halt the unconstitutional implementation of the “Patient Healthcare and Affordable Care Act of 2010, popularly known as “ObamaCare”, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 3, and Article III, Sections 1 & 2;

            6. Defying a Federal Court Order by refusing to grant lawful deep water drilling permits, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 3, and Article III, Sections 1 & 2;

            7. Executive Branch creation and implementation of regulations asserting unconstitutional force of Federal law on matters explicitly rejected by or contrary to the will and intent of Congress, specifically the EPA implementation of Cap and Trade, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article I, Section 1 and Section 8;

            8. Refusing to secure our broken borders from illegal alien invasion, international criminal incursion, and terrorist cadre penetration, in violation of U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 3 and Article IV, Section 4;

            9. Executive Branch malfeasance and impeding the administration of justice by preventing the U.S. Department of Justice from investigating crimes committed for the direct benefit of the President by presidential associates including: voter intimidation at the hands of the New Black Panthers and ACORN election fraud, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 3, and U.S. Criminal Code Section 135, (Comp. St. § 10305);

            10. Direct mobilizing and funding of mob violence, sedition and insurrection, as witnessed in Wisconsin, by the President’s own reelection campaign group Organizing for America, and including open statements of incitement to the insurrection by the President himself, in violation of U.S.Penal Code, Chapter 115, Section 2383;

            11. Executive Branch usurpation of lawmaking powers voiding duly enacted legislation of Congress by improperly preventing the U.S. Department of Justice from defending established Federal law – specifically the Defense of Marriage Act, in violation of U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 3;

            12. Adhering to the enemies of the United States, giving them aid and comfort, as witnessed by consorting with, supporting and installing to powerful Federal positions persons who in writing, word and deed have called for and promoted the overthrow of America’s constitutionally guaranteed Republican form of government, and the overthrow of the United States Constitution; including but not limited to William Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Cass Sunstein, John Holdren, Van Jones, Dalia Mogahed, Harold Koh, and Eric Holder, in violation of U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section IV and U.S. Penal Code, Section 2385.

            Bruce Eden

            …Congress has all this and more, yet fails to act. Democrats and Republicans are complicit in Obama’s TREASON.

          • afchief

            Wait! There’s more!!!!

            A List of Obama’s Constitutional Violations

            Posted on March 27, 2013by Truth Seeker

            > Updated 04/08/15 “I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution.” Barrack Hussein Obama. Obama took the Presidential Oath, swearing to “.. preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” but has:

             Used Executive Action in direct opposition to the law, and unilaterally changes the law for at least five million illegal aliens; Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress; “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” Article II Section 3; Article I Section 8

             In direct violation of ACA Law ( Section 36B ) ordered subsidies be paid under Federal Exchange. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

             *Entered Treaty Agreement with Iran without Advice & Consent of the Senate. No agreement (including one with the UN) is valid without 2/3 Senate approval. Article II Section 2.

             Operation Choke Point program – Direct infringement on 2nd Amendment.

             Violated statute on “Material Support of Terrorism” by returning top terrorists back to terrorist organizations. Article II Section 3; Dereliction of Duty Article II Section 4

             Violated Appropriations Act (DOD Section 8111) – GAO report; Article II Section 3

             Ignored law that requires Congress be notified prior to any detainees being moved from Guantanamo. “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” Article II Section 3

             Using EPA to “legislate” over States, Congress, and Federal Court; Article II Section 3; Article I Section 8; Direct violation of Presidential Oath.

             Appointed 24+ Federal agency czars without advice and consent of the Senate; Violation of Article II Section 2

             Used Executive Privilege in regards to Fast & Furious gun running scandal. When Government misconduct is the concern Executive privilege is negated.

             23 Executive Orders on gun control – infringement of the 2nd Amendment

             Exposed identity and methods of operation of a Navy SEALs team – Illegal for a President to reveal classified military secrets. Article II Section 3

             2 Executive actions mandating private health information on patients be turned over to NICS – Violation of HIPPA law.

             Executive Order bypassing Congress on immigration – Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress; Article II Section 3; Article I Section 8

             Unilaterally issued new exemptions to immigration restrictions law that bars certain asylum-seekers and refugees who provided “limited material support” to t

            errorists. – Article 1 Section 1; Article I Section 8 Congress shall have the Power..to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.

             Issued directive instructing ICE to NOT enforce immigration laws in certain cases. Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress; “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” Article II Section 3; Article I Section 8

             Release of convicted illegal aliens ordered in direct opposition to law-Article II Section 3

             Expanded executive action for amnesty to illegal immigrant relatives of DREAM Act beneficiaries. Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress; “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” Article II Section 3; Article I Section 8

             Executive action directing DHS that almost all immigration offenses were unenforceable absent a separate criminal conviction. Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress; “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” Article II Section 3; Article I Section 8

             Ignoring Law (2006 Secure Fence Act) “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” Article II Section 3

             Used DOJ to ignore section 8 of the Voting Rights Act. ” he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” Article II Section 3

             Used DOJ to prevent Arizona and Alabama from enforcing immigration laws. – 10th Amendment

             Information memorandum telling states that they can waive the work requirement for welfare recipients, thereby altering the 1996 welfare reform law. – Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress.

             Used NLRB to dictate to a business where they can do business. (Boeing Dreamliner Plant). No Constitutional authority to do so.

             NDAA – Section 1021. Due process Rights negated. Violation of 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th Amendments.

             Executive Order 13603 NDRP – Government can seize anything

             Executive Order 13524 – Gives INTERPOL jurisdiction on American soil beyond law enforcement agencies, including the FBI.

             Executive Order 13636 Infrastructure Cybersecurity – Bypassing Congress Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress

             Attempt to tax political contributions – 1st Amendment

             DOMA Law – Obama directed DOJ to ignore the Constitution and separation of powers and not enforce the law. ” he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” Article II Section 3

             Dodd-Frank – Due process and separation of powers. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau writing and interpreting law. Article. I. Section. 1

             Drone strikes on American Citizens – 5th Amendment Due process Rights negated

             Bypassed Congress and gave EPA power to advance Cap-n-Trade

             Attempt for Graphic tobacco warnings (under appeal) – 1st Amendment

             Four Exec. appointments – Senate was NOT in recess (Court has ruled unconstitutional yet the appointees still remain)

             Obama took Chairmanship of UN Security Council – Violation of Section 9.

             ACA (Obamacare) mandate – SCOTUS rewrote legislation and made it a tax because there is no Constitutional authority for Congress to force Americans to engage in commerce. SCOTUS has no authority to Legislate or lay taxes. Article I Section 1 & 8.

             Contraceptive, abortifacients mandate violation of First Ammendment

             Healthcare waivers – No president has dispensing powers

             Refuses to acknowledge state’s 10th Amendment rights to nullify Obamacare

             Going after states (AZ lawsuit) for upholding Federal law (immigration) -10th Amendment.

             Chrysler Bailout -TARP – violated creditors rights and bankruptcy law, as well as Takings and Due Process Clauses – 5th Amendment (G.W. Bush also illegally used TARP funds for bailouts)

             The Independent Payment Advisory Board (appointees by the president). Any decisions by IPAB will instantly become law starting in 2014 – Separation of Powers, Article 1 Section 1.

             Congress did not approve Obama’s war in Libya. Article I, Section 8, First illegal war U.S. has engaged in. Impeachable under Article II, Section 4; War Powers Act – Article II Section 3.

             Obama falsely claims UN can usurp Congressional war powers.

             Obama has acted outside the constitutional power given him – this in itself is unconstitutional.

             Bribery of Senator Ben Nelson and Senator Mary Landrey. (Cornhusker Kickback and Louisiana Purchase) Article II, Section 4.

             With the approval of Obama, the NSA and the FBI are tapping directly into the servers of 9 internet companies to gain access to emails, video/audio, photos, documents, etc. This program is code named PRISM. NSA also collecting data on all phone calls in U.S. – Violation of 4th Amendment.

             Directed signing of U.N. Firearms treaty – 2nd Amendment.

             The Senate/Obama immigration bill (approved by both) raises revenue – Section 7. All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives

             Obama altered law – (A president has no authority to alter law) Delayed upholding the Employer Mandate Law (ACA) until 2015 – Individual Mandate will be enforced. A President does not have that authority – Article. I. Section. 1. All legislative Powersherein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States; The president “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed” -Article II, Section 3; Equal Protection Clause -14th Amendment.

             Obama altered law – ACA Medicare cuts delayed until 2015. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

             Obama altered law – Enforcement of eligibility requirements for ACA delayed until 2015. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

             Obama wavered ACA Income Verification Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

             Obama altered law – Delayed ACA caps on out of pocket expenses until 2015. (when implemented premiums will skyrocket) Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

             Obama ignored judicial order to fulfill legal obligation regarding Yucca Mountain waste. Article II, Section 3

             Waived Federal provision that prevents U.S. From arming terrorist groups – Article I. Section 1; Impeachable under Article III, Section 3.

             Directed State Department HS to ignore law barring entry to U.S. those giving political or charitable aid to known terrorist groups. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

             Obama shelves part of the ACA Law for Insurers, extending the life of non-qualifying (according to ACA) plans until Jan. 1, 2015. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3. Violation of the Take Care Clause, Separation of Powers.

             Obama waved ACA individual mandate for those that lost their insurance. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3. Violation of the Take Care Clause, Separation of Powers.

             Obama alters ACA law and exempts companies employing between 50-100 full-time workers from business mandate until 2016. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

             In total, Obama has unilaterally altered ACA 24 times. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3. Violation of the Take Care Clause, Separation of Powers.

          • afchief

            This truth is ugly. It is disturbing. But it is simple. This evil man in the White Mosque is a traitor and is intentionally enabling the same kinds of people, Muslims, who crucify Christians or rape toddlers in Iraq to settle in America, and ultimately do the same things here. 0bama’s indifference to the heinous crimes committed by ISIS, or the persecution of Coptic Christians by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, is the same indifference he shows when American soldiers are murdered by his fellow Muslims. It is the same indifference he will show when Christians or Jews are beheaded in America on a daily basis.

            From the first days of his presidency this antichrist LT has done everything he could to weaken America militarily, economically, and politically. Everything he has done has ultimately expedited the deaths of Americans, one way or another. He canned our missile defense shield. He destroyed the health care system…but made sure that it had death panels. He squandered trillions. He forced our soldiers to fight under absurd and singularly fatal rules of engagement. He gave Russia everything it wanted. He gave Iran everything they wanted. This evil man’s best friends are America’s worst enemies, and his treachery has considerably shortened the American life expectancy.

            We have a choice: refuse to believe our eyes, or act while we still have a chance to alter our grave trajectory. Saving your money for a rainy day, or a nice retirement? Better to use it before you lose it. The antichrist LT won’t allow his enemies to prosper or live in peace. We are in an undeclared war where only one side is fighting. Since we really have no choice but to fight, we had better get on with it. This is a spiritual battle now and we Christians are not engaged because the enemy is wining. This battle will also become a physical battle soon. Watch!

          • Gay Veteran

            “…0bama’s indifference to the heinous crimes committed by ISIS….”
            hey Mr. Moron, Obama and the neo-cons are using ISIS to overthrow the Assad government in Syria.
            pretty sad you haven’t figured that out by now
            “…It is the same indifference he will show when Christians or Jews are beheaded in America on a daily basis…..”
            riiiiiiiight, because ISIS will drive their Toyota pickups across the Atlantic to attack us

            destroy the military? well Obama is certainly not reducing the bloated Pentagon budget

          • afchief

            Ahh, but Mr Pack the fudge, Ahhhh…the Progressive ideology requires that ideology itself must override reality. Truth, reason, common sense, logic, cause and effect, the input from our five senses — all are superseded by the ideological narrative.

            A democrat is the only animal that can kill a baby and say, “God bless you and God bless the United States.”

          • Gay Veteran

            Ahhhh, but Mr. Moron, how many people have “conservatives” killed?

            over a MILLION in Iraq alone.
            so sad YOU still don’t get it:
            democrats = republicans

          • afchief

            Ahh, but Mr Pack the fudge, the war in Iraq was agreed by congress and the UN. So go pack so more fudge!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            Ahhh, but Mr. Moron, over a MILLION are still dead because of the LIES of Bush and your fellow “conservatives”.

            so sad YOU still don’t get it:
            democrats = republicans

          • afchief

            Ahhh, but Mr. Pack the fudge, As for someone who was there, we DID FIND WMDs!!! If you check the true facts on your statement, then I guess the House lied, the Senate lied, England lied, Italy lied, Israel lied, and Germany lied since they all had the exact same intel that President Bush had and with the UN who also had the same intel. Congress and the Senate agreed to the war, but I guess these facts don’t play into your wrong view of the events that sent me and a lot of my friends to war and came back disabled. I don’t blame President Bush, I blame Libtards Dumbocrats who were for the war before they were against the war.

          • Gay Veteran

            Ahhh, but Mr. Moron, you only found obsolete chemical weapons from the 1980s (and your “conservative” president George H.W. Bush sold the technology to Saddam!)

            “…Congress and the Senate agreed to the war….”

            a war of aggression is a war of aggression no matter who approves of it

            “…events that sent me and a lot of my friends to war and came back disabled. I don’t blame President Bush, I blame Libtards Dumbocrats who were for the war before they were against the war.”

            WOW, you a bigger MORON than I thought if you still support our war of aggression against Iraq. a moron or a psychopath

          • afchief

            Ahhh…..But Mr. Pack the fudge you have a reprobate and perverted mind according to the Word of God. There is NO truth in you. You have proven to be a liar.

            In 2003, American soldiers stepped into a bunker in Iraq that was filled with drums, each of which was labeled with a chemical warning in Arabic, along with the international chemical-warning symbol. In May 2004, American soldiers in Iraq, as publicly reported by multiple news agencies, including NBC, were attacked using an improvised explosive device that contained the nerve agent sarin. Artillery shells containing a mustard agent were also found in Iraq in 2004. These are easily discoverable facts, not fantasy.

            The Environmental Protection Agency and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention both define the sarin nerve agent as an organophosphate, a family of chemicals that happens to include Malathion, a chemical commonly used to control garden and lawn pests. In 2003 and 2004, it was noted throughout the news community that equipment used to produce “insecticide” was widely found in Iraq; in fact, I have photographs of some of that very equipment. I also have a photograph taken in July 2003 of soldiers sitting on an Al Samoud II missile, which was “not there” by order of the United Nations.

            “These munitions meet the technical definition of weapons of mass destruction,” according to the commander of the National Ground Intelligence Center. “These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee in June 2006.

            I don’t care who clings to the lie that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but I find that using the lie that there weren’t any as an excuse to validate contemporary political lying regarding Benghazi, Libya, by the obama left to be morally disgraceful.

            JEFFREY DISSELL

            Gainesville, Fla.

          • Gay Veteran

            Ahhhh, but Mr. Moron, how come “conservatives” like Bush and Cheney didn’t crow about finding chemical weapons in Iraq?!?!?!?

            the fact remains that YOU are a psychopath who participated in a war of aggression against Iraq, and that makes YOU a war criminal

          • afchief

            Ahhh, Mr Pack the Fudge, they did and even the ultra liberal New York Slimes did.

            The NY times reports:

            The CIA, working in coordination with U.S. troops, bought and destroyed hundreds of nerve agent rockets during the occupation of Iraq under a nonproliferation plan dubbed Operation Avarice,The New York Times (NYT) reports.

            Current and former U.S. officials told The Times that the arms purchase operation was “part of a previously undisclosed effort to ensure that old chemical weapons remaining in Iraq did not fall into the hands of terrorists or militant groups.”

            Operation Avarice began in 2005 and carried into 2006. It was considered a “nonproliferation success” by the U.S military, according to the article.

            “It led to the United States’ acquiring and destroying at least 400 Borak rockets, one of the internationally condemned chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein’s Baathist government manufactured in the 1980s but that were not accounted for by United Nations inspections mandated after the 1991 Persian Gulf war,” reports NYT.

            The purchases were reportedly made from a sole secretive Iraqi seller.

            U.S. officials and veterans of the military units involved in the operation told The Times that “many rockets were in poor condition and some were empty or held a nonlethal liquid… But others contained the nerve agent sarin, which analysis showed to be purer than the intelligence community had expected given the age of the stock.”

            Most of the American officials and Iraq War veterans who spoke to NYT about the arms purchasing operation did so on the condition of anonymity because some related information remains classified.

            Information related to the amount of taxpayer funds that the U.S. spent on the chemical weapons or the affiliations of the seller is not available to the public, notes the article.

            CIA agents worked with American troops out of the CIA station in Baghdad.

            The CIA refused to comment. NYT notes that the “the Pentagon, citing continuing secrecy about the effort, did not answer written questions and acknowledged its role only obliquely.”

            “The potency of sarin samples from the purchases [under Operation Avarice], as well as tightly held assessments about risks the munitions posed, buttresses veterans’ claims that during the war the military did not share important intelligence about battlefield perils with those at risk or maintain an adequate medical system for treating victims of chemical exposure,” adds the article.

            An NYT investigation published in October revealed that U.S. troops had secretly encountered thousands of chemical weapons in Iraqi territory.

            Americans and Iraqis were reportedly wounded by those weapons. The U.S. government kept much of that information under wraps, according to the NYT investigation.

            “Not long after Operation Avarice had secured its 400th rocket, in 2006, American troops were exposed several times to other chemical weapons,” The Times acknowledges. “Many of these veterans said that they had not been warned by their units about the risks posed by the chemical weapons and that their medical care and follow-up were substandard, in part because military doctors seemed unaware that chemical munitions remained in Iraq.”

            Some victims told The Times that superior officers barred them from discussing their exposure to chemical weapons.

            “The Pentagon now says hundreds of other veterans reported on health-screening formsthat they believed they too had been exposed during the [Iraq] war,” mentions NYT.

          • Gay Veteran

            jesus, I get tired of having to repeat myself:

            Ahhh, but Mr. Moron, you only found obsolete chemical weapons from the 1980s (and your “conservative” president George H.W. Bush sold the technology to Saddam!)

            Ahhhh, but Mr. Moron, how come “conservatives” like Bush and Cheney didn’t crow about finding chemical weapons in Iraq?!?!?!?

        • mervin.hanawalt@gmail.com

          You are absolutely right! …

      • Gay Veteran

        bingo!

        BOTH parties support empire abroad and the national security/surveillance state at home

    • Gay Veteran

      Obama is as bad as Bush, although Bush is the bigger murderer with his war of aggression against Iraq.

      “…He abandoned our ¬allies, appeased tyrants, coddled adversaries and used the Crusades as an excuse for inaction as Islamist terrorists slaughter their way across the Middle East….”

      which allieS would that be?
      and inaction? he sure is murdering a lot of people with drones (and backing Saudi Arabia’s war of aggression against Yemem)

      “…Now Obama has brutally attacked our only real ally and the sole representative of Western Civilization in the Middle East, Israel?….”

      send YOUR money to Israel, we need to keep American tax dollars here at home

      “…Just look at how he sat on his hands while ISIS took over the middle east….”

      ROFLOL, the neo-cons tried to use ISIS to overthrow Assad

      “…and then squandered all gains from Iraq and Afghanistan….”

      WHAT gains?!?!?!?!? oh, you meant getting rid of Iran’s enemy in Iraq and turning Iraq into an ally of Iran

      “…My health insurance is now up to $400/month. Before the government touched it, it was $250/month!….”

      yep, a disaster, which the republicans have done NOTHING to reverse

      “…Obama is a psychopath who belongs in an asylum.”

      along with Bush the Stoopid and both Clintons

      • afchief

        “Obama is as bad as Bush” I stopped reading right there. More proof that you have a reprobate, depraved and perverted cranium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Gay Veteran

          yet more proof you’re just another republican moron who doesn’t understand that
          democrats = republicans

          • djc

            Gay Veteran,

            I agree with almost all of your posts on economics and the current political and economic environment. I think you are right on target with almost all of your views although as a practicing Catholic I don’t agree with your views on religion.

            I think you’d get a lot more acceptance of your views if you’d be a little more gentle and not respond to hate with more hate. Is it really productive to equate Republicans with morons? Bush WAS a failed president but that doesn’t make all Republicans morons.

          • Gay Veteran

            anyone voting republican or democrat is a moron because the 2 parties are owned by the elites

          • Joan Camara

            Exactly! One is just as bad as the other…

          • mervin.hanawalt@gmail.com

            You are absolutely right!

        • Gay Veteran

          Iraq was the biggest foreign policy blunder in American history, with costs calculated at several $TRILLIONS

          • afchief

            Ahhh Mr. Reprobate, Perverted, Depraved and Deviant mind your fellow commies said otherwise!!!

            “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”

            –Sandy Berger, Clinton

            National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

            “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missiIe strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” Letter to President Clinton, signed by: — Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

            “Saddam H u s s e i n has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”

            -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

            “H u s s e i n has … chosen to spend his money on building weap0ns of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”

            — Madeline Albright, Clinton

            Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

            “There is no doubt that … Saddam H u s s e i n has reinvigorated his weap0ns programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missiIe program to develop longer-range missiIes that will threaten the United States and our allies.”

            Letter to President Bush, Signed by:

            — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

            “We begin with the common belief that Saddam H u ss e i n is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. Hehas ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weap0ns of massdestruction and the means of delivering them.”

            — Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

            “We know that he has stored secret supplies ofbiological and chemical weap0ns throughout his country.”

            — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

            “Iraq’ssearch for weap0ns of mass destruction hasproven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for aslong as Saddam is in power.”

            — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

            “We have known for many years that Saddam H u s se I n is seeking and developing weap0ns of mass destruction.”

            — Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

            “The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq inOctober of 1998. We are confident that Saddam H u s s e i n retains somestockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarkedon a crash course to buildup his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”

            — Sen. Robert K K K Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

            “I will be voting to give the President of theUnited States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hu s s e i n because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weap0ns of mass destruction in his hands is areal and grave threat to our security.”

            — Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

            “There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam H u ss e i n is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons ofmass destruction.”

            — Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

            “He has systematically violated, over the courseof the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that hedisarm and destroy his chemical and biological weap0ns, and any nuclearcapacity. This he hasrefused to do”

            — Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

            “In the four years since the inspectors left,intelligence reports show that Saddam H u s s e i n has worked to eebuild hischemical and biological weap0ns stock, his missiIe delivery capability, and hisnuclear program. He hasalso given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists,including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam H u s s e i n will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weap0ns.”

            — Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

            “We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam H u s s e i n has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”

            — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

            “Without question, we need to disarm Saddam H u ss e i n. He is a brutal, murd3rous dictator, leading an oppressive regime …He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weap0ns of mass destruction …So the threat of Saddam Hu s s e i n with weap0ns of mass destruction is real…”

            Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

            “One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weap0ns of mass destruction and the missiIes to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”

            –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

            “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”

            –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

            “Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weap0ns against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”

            –Madeline Albright,

            Feb 18, 1998

          • Gay Veteran

            what part of
            “democrats = republicans”
            do you not understand?!?!?!?

            are you so retarded that you can’t understand that nothing changes in DC because
            democrats = republicans

            BOTH parties support empire abroad and the national security/surveillance state at home

          • afchief

            Ahhh, but Mr. Pack the fudge, Ahhhh……the culture of death, the culture of oppression and the culture of immorality, all neatly packaged, marketed and sold under the label of liberalism

            This travesty is 0liar and the left. He voted for this sort of murder in IL when he did not vote Not Present. This is who the democrap party is. They murder babies and then whine about water boarding enemies. They give America’s technology to potential enemies while dissing allies.They give AR-15’s to drug dealers while trying to take them away from the rest of us.

          • Gay Veteran

            Ahhh but Mr. Moron, you put the “conservatives” in charge and NOTHING changes.

            so sad YOU still don’t get it:
            democrats = republicans

          • afchief

            But Mr. Pack the fudge, the Democrats today are socialist. The Republicans today are like Democrats 30 years ago. There is still a handful of Tea Party Conservative in DC today.

          • Gay Veteran

            But Mr. Moron, the Tea Party sold you out also.

            so sad YOU still don’t get it:
            democrats = republicans

          • afchief

            But Mr Pack the fudge, they have not. You are proving my point about listening to liberal websites!

          • Gay Veteran

            But Mr. Moron, which of these sites are liberal?!?!?!?

            1. Zerohedge [libertarian],
            2. oftwominds (Charles Hugh Smith)[independent/libertarian],
            3. Market Ticker (Karl Denninger) [libertarian, one of the founders of the Tea Party movement],
            4. Paul Craig Roberts [paleo-conservative]
            5. Gerald Celente [independent],
            6. The Burning Platform [libertarian],
            7. Saker [anti-U.S. empire].

          • afchief

            But, Mr. Pack the Fudge, a favorite Leftist mantra goes like this: “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.” Facts are such “upsetting” little things…

          • Gay Veteran

            But, Mr. Moron, are you too stoopid to answer the question?

            which of these sites are liberal?!?!?!?

            1. Zerohedge [libertarian],
            2. oftwominds (Charles Hugh Smith)[independent/libertarian],
            3. Market Ticker (Karl Denninger) [libertarian, one of the founders of the Tea Party movement],
            4. Paul Craig Roberts [paleo-conservative]
            5. Gerald Celente [independent],
            6. The Burning Platform [libertarian],
            7. Saker [anti-U.S. empire].

          • afchief

            What is your point Mr Pack the Fudge, that these websites say the GOP is just like the socialists? They are entitled to their opinions!!

          • Gay Veteran

            poor, poor Mr. Moron, too stoopid to actually read any of those sites

        • krinks

          He’s gay so he is mentally ill to begin with from being molested as a child.

          • mervin.hanawalt@gmail.com

            You srd absolutely wrong!

          • Gay Veteran

            project much?

        • Native Respect

          too bad your too foolish to understand both parties are corrupt… this isnt football and we all win with the republican team. both side rep and dems are the same.

          • mervin.hanawalt@gmail.com

            You are absolutely right!

          • afchief

            Not disagree with you. The Republican party has left us conservatives. There is still a handful that are true patriots.

            But Bush is NO where close as bad as 0lawless!!! NO WHERE!

    • mervin.hanawalt@gmail.com

      I am 100% b e hind you!

  • WhiteDragonKing

    They are both working for the same end. Whats the difference?

    • Steven M Zerbey

      See; globalism (US or USSR) vs.nationalism (Russia).

  • John Noyb

    Putin = Gog

    • Joan Camara

      Yup, that’s right! Someone knows their bible!

  • ter ber

    Putin=KGB. Obama(American presidents)=CIA
    Satan just loves the game of good cop vs bad cop. Either way WE lose.

  • DJohn1

    In 2016, Obama leaves office.
    Someone else will be in charge.
    Meantime no one in the Republican party wants to impeach such a perfect example of an opposition party member. He reminds people what the candidates actually stand for which is a no-no in politics.
    The idea is with nothing left to lose, Obama is doing whatever Obama cares to do and that includes whatever that means for everything that Obama supports. Like Planned Parenthood as a lousy example. Like reducing the military. Like giving weapons to our enemies and then attempting to go to war with them.
    We do not even know who to send his retirement checks to. Last I heard he was still using a 74+-year-old’s Social Security number.
    His actions on illegal immigrants should have earned him impeachment a long time ago.
    Our Supreme Court has long maintained that only the two candidates for office can bring suit against him for falsehoods. They are the damaged parties. No one else. I refer to your Republican candidates that want to keep him in office until the bitter end.
    I can see why the best we can come up with for the next 4 years is Donald Trump and who ever he picks to be vice.
    The Nazis made the same mistake with weapons that the Soviets are now making. Logistics does not support massive, expensive, tech weapons. It is too easy to shoot down expensive weapons.
    ISIS is not prepared to do so.
    Same goes for aircraft carriers at a billion dollars.
    When cheaper alternatives can blow them right out of the water within 30 minutes of attack do we really want them in place as a target? You are looking at 3 years to put together a replacement.
    The Russians are in the same trap.

    • Gay Veteran

      “In 2016, Obama leaves office….”

      nope, January 2017

      “…Meantime no one in the Republican party wants to impeach such a perfect example of an opposition party member….”

      they’re in the same club

      “…Like reducing the military….”

      and yet the bloated Pentagon budget gets bigger and bigger

      “…His actions on illegal immigrants should have earned him impeachment a long time ago….”

      ROFLOL, as if he has an opposition party to do that.

      “…The Nazis made the same mistake with weapons that the Soviets are now making. Logistics does not support massive, expensive, tech weapons. It is too easy to shoot down expensive weapons.
      ISIS is not prepared to do so….”

      There are no more Soviets.
      And the Russians do NOT squander money on their planes in order to build profits for the military-industrial complex (that’s what WE do).

  • bambi hussein

    Essentially we have Steve Urkel as our president.

    • Guest

      What do you have against Urkel?

    • jaxon64

      Actually did laugh out loud with this one, funny stuff ( but sadly true in a way.)
      Except Urkel used to say, “did I do that?” and O-bama says, ” Bush did it”

  • HumbleAmerican

    When Americans start reading The Declaration of Independence, and The United States Constitution, and begin to understand how they work together, then America will change. The Declaration of Independence describes what America declared it’s Independence from, The Tyrant, King George III.

    America is not becoming the new Nazi Germany, we are descending back to the tyrant ways of King George III. Take time to read the Declaration of Independence, and the US Constitution. Then, read the Bill of Rights, and understand how they all work together for the people.

  • Steven M Zerbey

    Putin, whether it is Georgia, Ukraine, or Syria, is acting in the common interest of Russia, and Russians, whereas Obama, or before him, Bush and Clinton, acted only in the interest of the wealthy and corporate globalists.

  • Gay Veteran

    “…there are real questions about what Russia’s true motives in Syria and elsewhere are….”
    No there are not. Putin clearly said he was supporting Assad and killing the terrorists (including the American sponsored ones)

  • Gay Veteran

    the corporate pressitutes continue to slime Putin

  • jaxon64

    All the media coverage I see about Putin is derogatory or belittling–I see no putting of Putin on any pedestal by any side of the US media.
    Liberal media tries to belittle Putin to elevate their anti-American boy O-bama and the neo cons at Fox and on talk radio are re-hashing the Soviet USSR evil empire claptrap.

  • Pale Writer

    It’s not good to compare yourself with anyone. But Vladamir Putin has got to have a valid birth certificate without any forgeries on it going for him and Russia.

  • John Doe

    Obama looks like a fruit cake. Isn’t that a girls bike?

  • daniel lee morgan

    I think you got the wrong photo of obama!!!!! Where putin is mounted on the horse,being an old spice man,,, I think obama would prefer the photo of the horse mounting him! Seeing how he is such a down low play’ah !!! It would be the only thing putin wouldn’t try to emulate!

  • Undecider

    Who knows what’s really going on? Russia’s operations in Syria are conveniently pushing hordes of Middle Easterners right up through Turkey, then into Europe. Who’s side are they really on?

    • Gay Veteran

      WRONG, it was the terrorists the U.S. sponsored that drove millions out of Syria

  • he-is RISEN

    Good morning,
    I don’t how anyone could campare the 2 at all, as for the US WE the People have allowed our founding principles from the BIBLE to be pushed out little by little this is the end result.
    You want GOD & THE BIBLE OUT well this is the end result!!!
    Be prepared to accept the evil that seems to be coming faster & faster,
    I suggest you don’t believe what the BIBLE teaches please prove it wrong BIBLE PROPHECY IS 100% correct & playing out right in front of the world to see.
    Ezekeil 38-39.
    GOD Bless in JESUS NAME

    • Gay Veteran

      founding principles? you mean like slavery?

  • Kent Harris

    Americans have rejected God. I have been to too many pulpits in the past 6 months to know that the preachers in this country have forsaken the Word of God. 9/11 was God saying to this country we would be destroyed by our enemies. Isaiah 9:10 was repeated 3 times by our leaders and those words were not words of encouragement but an impending judgment upon this nation. When you read the rest of the chapter it says that God will strength our enemies against us from the east and from the west. Seriously, who are the enemies from the east and the west I would venture to say Russia and China. Both countries if they were to hit this country they would surely win militarily.

    • Gay Veteran

      no, 9/11 was blowback for our involvement in the Middle East, supporting dictators, etc.

  • Kim

    I read Obama is a homosexual and shaves his legs and Michele is a transvestite. Is there any truth to that?

  • watchmannonthewall

    The following is quoted from David Wilkerson’s book, “The Vision”, copyrighted in early 1974 but dated as of April 1973 and it is about your article, Russia and what is happening today (p.91-92).

    “While free nations experience a wave of real religious persecution, the Iron and Bamboo Curtains countries will experience a short period of spiritual awakening…God’s Holy Spirit will split the Iron and Bamboo curtains and will seek out and find hungary hearts in Russia, China, and Eastern Europe.”

    “God is bringing to pass a temporary truce between the East and West for the express purpose of getting the gospel into these Communist countries.”
    “Ironically, while the doors are beginning to close on this side of the Curtains, the doors will begin to open on the other side. And, after a short period of freedom and spiritual awakening among many, the doors will suddenly close, and the persecution madness will begin with intensity and engulf all those natoins.” Note that this was written 15-16 years before the Berlin Wall came down. David siad God showed him it would, but only for a short time. Is this true? What do you think?

    He continued writing on the subject of Russia in “Set The Tumpet To Thy Mouth”, written in 1985, also before the Wall came down. He wrote the following:

    “I believe modern Babylon is present day America, including its corrupt society and whorish church.” Really? A “whorish” Church? From what I’ve seen, this is an very accurate description of modern churches. Only thing is, he wrote it 30 years ago!

    “Is it the Russian bear that sinks her teeth into a “nation devoid of counsel”? (Deut 32:;22-24) “The entire vision [of Deut. 32] describes what will befall in the later days. This is the later days and we are the seed of Israel.”

    “God will melt America…America’s cup of iniquity is full; the bear has prepared and is set to act-it is now only a matter of time.”

    “This is why there will be no retaliatory strikes from this nation or its allies; because of the suddenness and finality of it all…”

    ” Numerous cracks will appear in our fragile prosperity, and soon event the most pessimistic will know in their hearts that a total collapse is certain…The great holocaust follows an economic collapse in America. The enemy will make its move when we are weak and helpless.”

    Why is all of this going to happen? David says, “America will not repent.” Let me be more clear: God’s PEOPLE in America will not repent. David again, “Jeremiah delivered a DUAL prophesy out of the potter’s house. It was directed to ancient Israel, but also to Israel THE CHURCH.” (emphasis is mine)
    Jeremiah was appointed a prophet “to the nations.” Israel did not exist at the time of this prophesy as the Northern 10 tribes had already gone into captivity a hundred years earlier. David is correct in that this is a prophesy to Israel, only it is not to the physical nation. It is to the “Church”. It is to the qahal, the edah (Heb. for assembly, congregation), the ecclesia (Grk Septuigint), the “Church” if you will.
    Many Christians do not consider “ecclesia” is actually an Old Testament word that is also found in the NT! This fact supports that the NT “Church” is nothing more than “former” Gentiles and scattered Israelites grafted into the Jews, even as Paul said in Romans 11, to the natural tree of Israel. Right now, neither group is obedient to the King! Hence, the coming wars in the Middle East!

  • All in all, the scenario put forth by Bill Salus “Isralestine” “The Psalm 83 War” seems to see its pieces come together in the Middle East. Really interesting point of view whether you believe in Bible Prophecies or not, the scenario is well informed and well build. Worth watching on youtube where he develops the main ideas of his books.

    Interestingly, they recently discovered Oil in the area of the Golan Heights. Oil, I think, is the main culprit for any fight in the region (included ISIS using their extreme religious view as a side note to their real goal IMHO – a little bit like the Taliban in Afghanistan with drugs).

    We should never dismiss the Economic reality which is at play in the Middle East. Considering that the Golan Heights are highly disputed by Syria, Israel, Jordan and the Arabs, we are in for some big news in the future. The intervention of the US and Russia (both directly or via proxis in the region) is unavoidable.

    A personal opinion now — The winner will not be the US here (at least in the current configuration), mainly because of the Administration’s misunderstanding of the players in the Middle-East (China being involved as well), America as the fire power no doubt, but not the underlying intelligence and knowledge of the enemy needed to win.

    By knowledge I’m not speaking about the fire power or number of fighters, but well about the underlying MINDSET of the players. The mistake is always to think that they will play according to Western Mindset, yet they are not Westerners… something we could see as treachery on our side will just be seen as a normal mean of war on the other, Etc, etc.

    For instance :
    Chinese will mainly use Sun-Tzu’s Principle of War,
    Japan will mainly use Mihamoto Musashi and the Bushido Code,
    Germans will mainly use the Von Clausewitz Thinking
    etc, etc. Mainly because it is in their blood, in their “DNA”, those authors are just representative of their deep mindset build through centuries of History.

    It is just a really basic illustration, it is way more complex than this, but misunderstanding those basic mindset at play turn against you. In our case, the mindset of the Middle Eastern people is not taken into account. For instance, Islam is not a religion, it is a way of life, a way of thinking which pervade every aspect of life for the Middle Eastern people. It as to be included in the mindset at play when they fight.

    So I don’t think it is a firepower question. That power is still on the Western side (at least for now). However, it is an understanding of the way people think their fight which is the question. Even if you know they think a certain way, you still need to UNDERSTAND it.

    Comparing both President could be a fools game since they do not think, neither view, the world the same way (as an ex-KGB President Putin is to be feared way more than President Obama which has not one bit of experience of any kind in comparison). And as far as the Middle East goes, I think the Russian’s have it right, you can not play the game of using one foe against another one here. The only solution is to confront the problem straight on…

    • John Noyb

      Joel – good comment. I would add that Barry’s lack of experience makes his actions as dangerous as Gog’s – I mean Putin’s. Sadly there are many that follow this blog that think the Bible is just fairy tales. They refuse to believe it’s accuracy in prophecy is 100% – even when it is being played out in front of our eyes at this very time.

      • I agree.
        Lack of experience is as much dangerous as a lot of experience. Perhaps even more dangerous considering that someone with experience will avoid many traps, a “green” will go straight in. In many ways, however, although both are dangerous the results are rarely the same…

  • Imaplaneiac

    It’s STUNNING to see that 45.3% of Americans reportedly STILL approve of King Obama and his treason!? They must be of the 47% who pay NO FEDERAL TAX!? Or the 22 MILLION who ” work ” at some level of government!

  • Dramakiller

    I think Michael has a man-crush on Putin. There are several pictures of the Russian pres that he could of posted that don’t have Putin with his shirt off.

  • Gay Veteran

    and you can find examples of where Bush broke the law (see especially Torture)

    • afchief

      Poor Mr. Packs the fudge. THERE WAS NO LAW BROKEN!!!

      • Gay Veteran

        Poor Mr. Moron still the moron. We violated our own anti-torture laws

        • afchief

          Poor Mr Packs the fudge, we broke NO laws. Stop watching MSNBC.

          • Gay Veteran

            Poor Mr. Monon, still backing war crimes. No, I don’t watch your fellow morons on MSNBC. But I bet you watch the morons on Faux

          • afchief

            Yes, Mr Packs the Fudge I do watch Fox News. They are more fair and balanced then the communist news networks.

          • Gay Veteran

            Poor Mr. Moron watches the korporate media. Now wonder you’re so stoopid.

          • afchief

            You make me laugh Mr Packs the Fudge. I’m not the one who thinks the rear end is a two way street!!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            You make me laugh Mr. Moron. Your brain is full of fudge if you are STOOPID enough to listen to the korporate media!
            you are a sad pathetic fool

  • Gay Veteran

    I’ll let PSYCHOPATHS like YOU continue to justify our war of aggression against Iraq.
    And why was it a war of aggression? because only a psychopath would think that Saddam would attack America.
    the deaths of 1000s of AMERICANS the over a MILLION Iraqis are on YOUR hands, plus the $TRILLIONS we have wasted

    • afchief

      Poor Mr. Packs the fudge, I was there and proud to serve and be there. You were probably out doing your rump ranger thing.

      • Gay Veteran

        Poor Mr. Moron, of course you’re proud, you’re a psychopath

  • Gay Veteran

    I’m amused at how morons like you label yourself and put yourself into an ideological box INSTEAD OF THINKING FOR YOURSELF

    • afchief

      So you a just a fudge packer?

      • Gay Veteran

        So you just a dog f**ker?

  • Gay Veteran

    here’s the quote from YOUR source:

    “…Although not mentioning Kim Davis by name, in a clear reference to the Kentucky county clerk who refused on religious grounds to issue a marriage license to a gay couple, Elder Oaks said public officials who take an oath have a responsibility to support the constitution and their local laws.

    “Office holders remain free to draw upon their personal beliefs and motivations and advocate their positions in the public square. But when acting as public officials they are not free to apply personal convictions — religious or other — in place of the defined responsibilities of their public offices,” he said. “A county clerk’s recent invoking of religious reasons to justify refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-gender couples violates this principle.”…”

    • VigilanteCaregiver

      Follow the link to the full video or complete transcript. You’re trying to take Elder Oaks words out of context. I read his speech: you’re selective editing doesn’t work.

      • Gay Veteran

        selective editing? NOT by me, you need to complain to the source you cited: Mormon newsroom

  • Gay Veteran

    hmmmmm, it sounds like you need to move to a country with other like minded people. Try Saudi Arabia, you ayatollah wannabe.

    fixed your sentence “…Oh and HETEROSEXUALS are notoriously PROMISCUOUS so the thought that they will ‘HONOUR’ their marriage vows is frankly PREPOSTEROUS…..”

    • afchief

      But, their not disgusting rump rangers!!!!

      • Gay Veteran

        Christ on a raft, learn to speak English you moron! “they’re”, not “their”

  • Gay Veteran

    the bigger threat to world health is YOUR mental retardation [see, for example, war of aggression against Iraq]

  • Controller4563902.094

    Dude you’re right.

    read the full transcript and that speaker Oaks is incredible!! what he said is not close to what the babykiller or the MSM said.

    Props to rising above the trolls. Mormons are cool.

  • Piglet

    [Unlike in the United States, war tends to make leaders even more popular in Russia. That may sound strange to you…]

    “Unlike the United States”? That is EXACTLY like the United States, and our “glorious leaders” have known it for a long time. For example, in the late 1990s George W. Bush told his biographer that he had learned from Maggie Thatcher that to get one’s way with domestic policy, it was necessary to be a successful leader of a military operation. Thatcher had the Falklands and then no UK politician could stand in her way. W. planned to do the same thing, and he already had his target picked out: Iraq.

    W. had started off as a mediocre president, and at the time my personal hope that he wouldn’t be any worse than his lying, corrupt predecessor, Bill Clinton. He wasn’t particularly popular, but after the 9-11 attacks W.’s popularity shot through the roof — despite being the person in charge during such a horrendous lapse in security. (Notice that, despite numerous failures at all levels to detect the attacks in advance or stop them on 9-11, no one was fired. That’s a subject for another column.) Instead of demanding his resignation, people acted like sheep and obeyed his commands, first to attack Afghanistan and then Iraq.

    How did that turn out?