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ISIS Plot To Shoot Up A Detroit Megachurch Revealed As ‘Christianophobia’ Spreads Across America

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Aggression - Public DomainIf you are a Christian, you better brace yourself for great persecution. It has gotten very little attention from the mainstream media, but federal authorities have uncovered an ISIS plot to “shoot up” a Detroit megachurch. 21-year-old Khalil Abu-Rayyan of Dearborn Heights, Michigan told authorities that he actually intended to take a gun into a very large church in Detroit that can seat up to 6,000 people and start killing Christians. He has been charged with supporting the Islamic States and with “illegally having a firearm while using a controlled substance”. Abu-Rayyan actually admitted that since he can’t be part of the jihad in the Middle East, that he would “do my jihad over here”.  As I have warned so many times before, ISIS terrorists are already here, and what we have seen so far is just the beginning.

I can’t understand why this story is not headlines news all over America. If Khalil Abu-Rayyan had succeeded in conducting the megachurch attack that he was planning, hundreds of Christians could have potentially been killed. The people that go to that church might not ever know just how close they actually came to being slaughtered

I tried to shoot up a church one day,” Abu-Rayyan is quoted as saying in court records. “I don’t know the name of it, but it’s close to my job. It’s one of the biggest ones in Detroit. Ya, I had it planned out. I bought a bunch of bullets. I practiced a lot with it. I practiced reloading and unloading. But my dad searched my car one day, and he found everything. He found the gun and the bullets and a mask I was going to wear.

Investigators didn’t name the church Abu-Rayyan allegedly eyed, but claim the property covers about two blocks less than half a mile from his work and can accommodate up to 6,000 members. He allegedly purchased a gun and told an undercover FBI employee that attacking a church would be “easy.”

“A lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church,” the affidavit quotes him as saying. “Plus it would make the news. Everybody would’ve heard. Honestly I regret not doing it. (If I) can’t go do jihad at the Middle East, I would do my jihad over here.

These comments show us precisely what these terrorists want.

They want to create fear, and they want to get as much media attention as possible.

Terrorists like Khalil Abu-Rayyan do not fear death, because they have been promised that they will go to a wonderful paradise where they will be showered with attention by virgins when they die. In fact, many of them seem quite eager to receive a one-way ticket to their sex-fueled religious fantasy.

Unfortunately, mainstream media outlets in both the United States and Europe purposely downplay the hatred that these Islamic radicals have for ordinary Christians, because they don’t want to make Muslim immigrants look bad. That is why the mainstream media almost entirely ignored the fact that the main target of the San Bernardino shootings was a Messianic Christian, and that is why the mainstream media is burying this current story about Khalil Abu-Rayyan.

If a Christian baker refuses to bake a cake for a gay wedding, that is front page news, but if a Muslim admits to planning to shoot up a church of several thousand people that is a non-event according to the media.

This anti-Christian bias is growing stronger with each passing year, and it has now become institutionalized in our society in so many ways. A recent article by Selwyn Duke highlighted some examples of this phenomenon that we have recently witnessed…

A student is punished for refusing to “stomp on Jesus,” a Christian baker faces a year in jail for refusing to cater faux marriages, two men are arrested for reading the Bible aloud near a government building, a school “purges” Christian works from its library. Critics asserting the existence of an institutional anti-Christian bias, and a resultant war on the faith, have often been labeled paranoid. But now two University of North Texas sociologists have produced research showing that just such an agenda exists — among America’s most powerful people.

The two sociologists that he was referring to are Professor George Yancey and Professor David Williamson, and they shared their research in a newly published book entitled “So Many Christians, So Few Lions: Is There Christianophobia in the United States?” The Christian Post interviewed Yancey about this new book and the following is an excerpt from that interview

In the minds of many of the respondents Christians are ignorant, intolerant and stupid individuals who are unable to think for themselves. The general image they have of Christians is that they are a backward, non-critical thinking, child-like people who do not like science and want to interfere with the lives of everyone else.

But even worse, they see ordinary Christians as having been manipulated by evil Christian leaders and will vote in whatever way those leaders want. They believe that those leaders are trying to set up a theocracy to force everybody to accept their Christian beliefs. So, for some with Christianophobia, this is a struggle for our society and our ability to move toward a progressive society. Christians are often seen as the great evil force that blocks our society from achieving this progressive paradise.

If you are a “liberal”, it is quite likely that this is how you view Christians.

Many non-religious liberals consider evangelical Christianity to be the biggest “problem” that America is facing today, and some of the potential solutions that liberal activists are advocating for this “problem” are quite chilling.

During their research, Yancey and Williamson personally interviewed a number of “cultural progressive activists”, and the following are a few examples of what some of them said should be done to “the Christian right”

I want them all to die in a fire.” (Male, aged 26-35 with Doctorate).

They should be eradicated without hesitation or remorse. Their only purpose is to damage and inflict their fundamentalist virus onto everyone they come in contact with.” (Female, aged 66-75 with Master’s degree).

They make me a believer in eugenics…. They pollute good air…. I would be in favor of establishing a state for them…. If not, then sterilize them so they can’t breed more.” (Male, aged 46-55 with Master’s degree).

So what makes a liberal activist that wants to “eradicate” Christians that much different from an Islamic terrorist that wants to achieve the same goal?

Of course radical Islamic terrorists are probably more likely to use violent means to achieve their goal right now, but what would happen if our government became dominated by people that think like the liberal activists quoted above?

And don’t think that it can’t happen. When radical leftists took power in the Soviet Union, they killed countless numbers of Christians.  When radical leftists took power in China, they killed countless numbers of Christians.  And when radical leftists took power in Nazi Germany, they intended to completely eradicate Biblical Christianity.

On December 15th, 1941 U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt made the following statement: “To Hitler, the church…is a monstrosity to be destroyed by every means.”

Most Christians today don’t realize just how much Hitler hated our faith. But if you do the deep research, you will find some absolutely incredible things. In a previous article, I included the following information which was originally uncovered by author Bruce Walker, the author of “The Swastika Against the Cross: The Nazi War on Christianity“…

The Nazi tract Gott und Volk was distributed in 1941, and it describes the life cycle of German youth in the future, who would: “With parties and gifts the youth will be led painlessly from one faith to the other and will grow up without ever having heard of the Sermon on the Mount or the Golden Rule, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments… The education of the youth is to be confined primarily by the teacher, the officer, and the leaders of the party. The priests will die out. They have estranged the youth from the Volk. Into their places will step the leaders. Not deputies of God. But anyway the best Germans. And how shall we train our children? Thus, as though they had never heard of Christianity!

We like to think that we are so much better than Nazi Germany, but the truth is that the exact same spirit is at work today.

Americans have been trained to want a society that has completely sanitized all references to the Bible and to the Christian faith from the public arena.

Our children are being raised in public schools that are specifically modeled after the German system. If you doubt this, just look it up. Prayer has been banned, and if you try to read a Bible during school hours it can get you suspended.

We may not call ourselves Nazis, but in so many ways we are just like them.

And the hatred toward Christianity in this country just continues to grow every time a comedian makes jokes about our faith and every time Christians are portrayed as stupid, evil or crazy in our movies and television shows.

Christians over in the Middle East are being crucified and are having their heads cut off, and of course the persecution of Christians in the western world is not even worth comparing to that at this point.

But all over the world hatred for Biblical Christianity is on the rise, and great persecution is coming.

The half-hearted, lukewarm religion that passes for Christianity in so many of our churches today has got to go, because that kind of faith is simply not going to cut it during the times that we are moving into.

It has already got to be settled in our hearts that we are willing to lay down our lives for what we believe, because someday that is precisely the choice that many of us may be forced to make.

  • jaxon64

    All of these things tell us to lift up our faces for the hour is late.
    So many mockers and outright haters come to these sights for no other reason than to laugh, mock and scorn–little do they know that their actions are EXACTLY in accordance with what the Bible said they would do in the latter days.
    We are told that people would be despisers of the truth–when have we seen such open and blatant lying and hatred of any truth, let alone The Truth.
    We know that people will be incredibly materialistic, selfish and self-involved– Facebook, social media of all types and the general psychosis of the average American fulfills this prophetic vision like never before in history.
    We are told that people would call good evil and evil would be called good…If I were not aware of the scriptures I’d be dumbfounded as to how people could not see how all that is good is attacked constantly, and any behavior or belief that is degenerate, bloodthirsty, based in killing ( islam, abortion, depopulation etc) are defended. If one speaks simple, common sense truths, one gets labeled a hater, misogynist, extremist, chauvinist, isolationist, racist, homophobe..etc etc…
    It was all predicted however in the Bible–over 2000 years ago Christ stated that we would be hated and killed for His namesake and as the hour grew later we would see an increase

    • watchmannonthewall

      You know what is even more disturbing than what you have just shared, even though it is the Truth? This is God’s way that He HAS to use, yes, it has come to that, to try to get His people to come into a proper relationship with Him.

      Jesus cleansed the temple at the Beginning of His ministry, John 2:13-22, and at the END of His ministry. (Mt 21:12, Mk 11:15, Lk 19:45) Only John tells us about the cleansing at the beginnnig of His miinistry. The first cleansing of His temple, which is His dwelling place, occurred during the initial spead of the gospel. Today, we are experiencing the cleansing that occurs at the end of His ministry, just before He comes as King over the earth!

      Jeremiah prophesied of this cleansing: “Behold, I am going to send for many fishermen,’ declares the LORD, ‘and they will fish for them [fish for My people among the nations]; AND AFTERWARDS I shall send for many hunters, and they will hunt them from every mountain and from every hill, and from the clefts of the rocks.'” They are coming and they are here!

      Ishmael was an archer and Esau was a hunter. Esau married into Ishmael’s line and the two are now combined to hunt down those who claim to be following after God, claim to belong to the God of Israel, but many really don’t, and they certainly are not obeying God! These are those who are luke-warm and being a Christian has been an easy road for them. These are those who have believed the prosperity gospel and believe that, “Because Jesus loves me, I will not see Tribulation.” Sorry, you and I will see it and experience it! Alll who live godly in Yeshua will suffer persecution!

      The hunters have been brought forth to bring discipline to the house of God, to His dwelling place. Please test everything and seriously vet all the doctrine your leaders try and feed you. Much of is is good for nothing but to be burned, and it will.

      There are many tares among the wheat and God has allowed the events of today to occur to separate out those who really belong to Him, those who, as Michael said, have already decided to lay down their lives for what they believe. This does NOT include the taking up of arms but certainly doesn’t prevent acting in self defense, individually or corporately. We do not get the “virgins”, but rather an everlasting kingdom founded on peace and righteousness!

      • iris

        Yes, there’s a huge difference between suffering persecution for His name and experiencing the wrath of God toward us. Christians are not destined for God’s wrath, but we are promised persecution. The NT actually refers to it as a gift, an honor and a hallmark of true belief. Not that we should go looking for it, but in His will, that persecution will be encountered. He will strengthen us for those times.

    • iris

      So true! The Church does thrive in persecution, so hopefully, this will bear fruit. In fact, I believe it will bear much good fruit. I know the persecuted Christians around the world are such a testimony to me, and a real motivation to share the gospel in word and deed. Especially now, there are many places in the world where one who claims Christ, knows that doing so puts their lives in immediate danger, not for some evil perpetrated on others, but for simply hoping in the truth, love and power of God through Messiah Jesus and His mercy poured out for us all.

      • apeiron

        There is only one condition in which the Church & Gospel fails to thrive…prosperity.

        • iris

          Many times, that’s the case.
          We’ve sure seen the greed and covetousness which are the roots of the prosperity gospel, and now, most believers are waking up to the carnal nature of it and its futility, especially if it didn’t work for them.

          That said, there are many very prosperous Christians who give most of their lives and incomes away in helping others. I think the condition of our heart is what God cares more about, and He knows whose hearts are mature enough to handle plenty of money.

        • Gay Veteran

          and education

          • JB

            “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If
            you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to
            pieces.” (Matthew 7:6)

          • Gay Veteran

            are you another Polly? if so, do you want a cracker?

          • awb22

            are you another sodomite? do you want a…

            oh, nevermind.

          • Gay Veteran

            18 replies to my comments, 17 of those were from you, Sodomite Obsessed Polly.

            and I’ve ignored most of them.
            why? you’re a boring stalker

          • awb22

            right, that’s why you keep responding, idiot.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey junior, how many of those 17 posts did I reply to? 1? 2? hmmmmmmmmmm

            now get off my di*k, stalker

          • awb22

            my, you have some curious obsessions, sodomite.

          • awb22

            you first, sodomite. Go back to your first reply to me, and tell me who wrote the first unsolicited response.

      • Holger Jahndel

        Gender Activists Alarmed: New Report on the “Anti-Gender Mobilizations in Europe” by Left-Wing Think Tank

        July 31, 2015 by Gabriele Kuby

        The world-wide operating Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung (FES) is the intellectual activist centre of the Social Democratic Party (SPD) which presently governs Germany in a coalition with the Christian Democratic Party under Chancellor Angela Merkel. As their publications and conferences reflect, the FES pushes for same-sex marriage, reproductive rights, biotechnology, sexual diversity, gender equality, and sexual education. It also publishes reports with the intention of “naming and shaming” individuals, organizations, parties, and networks which work on behalf of life and the family. WEITERLESEN

        http://www.gabriele-kuby.de/vorabpruefung-inhalte/#c476

        Gabriele Kuby beim GLOBAL POLICY FORUM

        für UN-Vertreter in Mesa, Arizona, 16. Januar 2015

        After the fall of communism in 1989 the world expected a new era of freedom, free of totalitarian ideology. Yet, a new ideology took hold of the West and is now undermining the value-system on which the Western culture and the family are built….weiterlesen

        http://www.gabriele-kuby.de/wortmeldungen/#c471

        Gabriele Kuby in Czech Parliament, Prague 14 October 2014

        Gender – A new ideology destroys the family

        In our time we are subjected to a new ideology, which aims to dissolve the very basis of our existence: the difference between man and woman. This is the ideology of genderism….weiterlesen

        http://www.gabriele-kuby.de/wortmeldungen/#c460

        The Global Sexual Revolution

        Destruction of Freedom in the Name of Freedom

        Angelico Press, USA, December 2015

        Now available in English: Gabriele Kuby’s explosive new work on the revolution sweeping the globe….

        “As the carnage of untrammeled sexual license piles up in cultures that have embraced sexual revolutionary ideology, we need the kind of sober and thoughtful analysis Gabriele Kuby provides. Her work will help readers understand that false visions of freedom are highways to slavery, and that true freedom is to be found in self-mastery and virtue.”

        —ROBERT P. GEORGE, author of “Conscience and Its Enemies”

        http://www.gabriele-kuby.de/buecher/the-global-sexual-revolution/

    • Gay Veteran

      “…If one speaks simple, common sense truths, one gets labeled a hater, misogynist, extremist, chauvinist, isolationist, racist, homophobe..etc etc….”
      got some examples?

      • awb22

        read some of your own posts, idiot.

        • Gay Veteran

          awwwwwwwww, Sodomite Obsessed Polly, stop stalking me and get a hobby

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    You wanna see Christanophobia – try being Mormon…

    • Jim Davis

      I don’t think you get to be called Christian if you invent your own bible.

      • Gay Veteran

        ROFLOL, oh my

        • Jim Davis

          George Takei, is that you?

          • Gay Veteran

            don’t be a moron

    • Gay Veteran

      why, what does being a mormon have to do with christanophobia?

      • awb22

        what difference does it make to you?

  • Mistanick

    “The half-hearted, lukewarm religion that passes for Christianity in so many of our churches today has got to go, because that kind of faith is simply not going to cut it during the times that we are moving into.”

    Amen Michael.

    • afchief

      You know why we have a lukewarm church today? Money!!! You cannot serve God and money. We Christians have been duped to believe that the tithe is still for today. It is not!!!! Pastors should work just like the rest of us. We must NOT pay a man to preach to us. It causes ALL kinds of compromise. Christ told us to give. And we are to give expecting nothing in return. We are to give where the Holy Spirit leads us to give. How many Christians would give if we did not get that piece of paper from our church at the end of the year so we can deduct it on our taxes? How many pastors compromise the Word because of big tithers? How many pastors compromise the word because they don’t want to violate their 501(3)c status? I have seen it in every church I have been in.

      The love of money is the root of ALL evil.

      • algol2000

        ‘Nough said.

      • Gay Veteran

        “…The love of money is the root of ALL evil.”

        explain adultery, explain rape, explain murder, etc.

        • afchief

          Jeremiah 17:9-10 (NASB)
          9 “The heart is more deceitful than all else
          And is desperately sick;
          Who can understand it?
          10 “I, the Lord, search the heart,
          I test the mind,
          Even to give to each man according to his ways,
          According to the results of his deeds.

          • Gay Veteran

            good parrot, Polly want a cracker?

          • JB

            Don’t waste your breath with “Gay Veteran” – see Matthew 7:8 and 2 Timothy 2:23. Pray for him – but don’t waste your time.

          • Gay Veteran

            awwww, another Polly, want a cracker?

          • jaxon64

            Don’t reply to GV–don’t cast your pearls before swine–I tried in the past to reason with him and also to give the message of God’s love, healing and forgiveness–he chooses his destiny and now we must move on and ignore him..sad, but he has chosen to have life without a relationship with his creator–and God Almighty will honor his choice for eternity.

          • afchief

            Your right! I get a little bit rough with him, calling him Mr. Packs the Fudge. But I know he is blinded by his sin. It is quite obvious!

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re blinded by your stupidity.

            your utter inability to defend your own positions, thus the NEED to say childish things like “Mr. Packs the Fudge” which only makes YOU look like a retard (and boy am I laughing at you!)

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            I think “Mr. Packs the Fudge” is pretty funny.

          • Gay Veteran

            I find afchief even funnier

          • Truthing

            I just use the biblical name for him.
            SODOMITE

          • Gay Veteran

            bet you also use ni**er

          • Truthing

            What?
            Nippers?
            Nickers?
            Oh nooo! I always suspected that your type was “into” such things. You are disgusting! I WILL pray for you.

          • Gay Veteran

            junior, you know what word I meant.
            put in the “gg”

            and try thinking for yourself

          • awb22

            you first, sodomite

          • awb22

            perfectly good english word, so is f*g, sodomite

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Sodomite Obsessed Polly, I’ve got a word for YOU: retard

          • awb22

            once again with your ad hominem attacks. keep it up, sodomite.

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re a hypocrite.

            and probably a coward. you said “ni**er” was a perfectly good word, but do you call African-Americans “ni**er”?

          • awb22

            I reject the term AA, ni**er, however, fits you quite well.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh I’m sure you think ni**er is a perfectly good word

          • awb22

            last time I checked it’s in the dictionary, but don’t let the facts get in the way of your delusion

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re backpeddling now

          • awb22

            no, I’m not.

          • Gay Veteran

            snort, you are blinded by your stupidity. It is quite obvious!

          • awb22

            talking to yourself again. you never have another constructive to say, why is that?

          • Gay Veteran

            you’re a hypocrite

          • Gay Veteran

            awwww jaxon64, the problem is I wouldn’t buy your fairy tales

        • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

          Some translations say “the root of all kinds of evil”. It’s the Greek. It can be translated more than one way.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…It can be translated more than one way….”

            so much for the unchanging word of “god”

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            A Greek scholar could explain it to you. I got a D- in that subject so I won’t try.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…It can be translated more than one way….”

            oh I believe you!

            so much for the unchanging word of “god”

          • Gay Veteran

            “… It can be translated more than one way.”

            oh yes, I truly believe you!

            thus proving there is NO unchanging word of “god”

          • MEP325

            You do make some valid points but I’m curious. If you despise the Christian sentiments that Michael puts into some of his articles, then why are you here? Why do you continue reading his articles? Or do you even read the articles?

          • Gay Veteran

            I don’t despise the Christian sentiments from Michael.
            what I do despise are Christian hypocrites, Pharisees and wannabe ayatollahs.
            and yes, I read every article. most are good, some are BS

          • awb22

            translation does not equal change.

          • Gay Veteran

            not very smart, are you.

            she said: “… It can be translated more than one way.”

          • awb22

            a lot smarter than you.

      • AJ2

        Amen. Money isn’t everything and we can’t take it when we die.

      • jaxon64

        Excellent point about the 501(c)3…this tax exempt status ensures that the Church may not make comments that are considered political in sermons, official stances, outspoken issues etc.
        The trick that was played on the Christian churches is that for tax exempt status they traded away their voice.
        Ultimately, most political issues are really issues about culture, morals and ethics–by ensuring that Christians as a group have no voice, they have given up the core of their purpose..to reach out to a lost world and offer the Hope of Jesus Christ to the darkness of this world. Instead we get “Hope and Change” offered by hucksters, Marxists and evil with agendas.
        Cities are burned with rioting and violence–the church is silent…massive fraud and corruption in govt–the church is silent…degradation, perversity and even bullying by a group that encompasses 1 to 2% of the populace and yet the overwhelmingly larger group remains silent,
        The Church surrendered her voice and no longer has any affect on the culture of our country–and we wonder why it is dying and the object of ridicule and scorn?

        • Gay Veteran

          “…The trick that was played on the Christian churches is that for tax exempt status they traded away their voice….”

          simple solution: don’t take tax exempt status.
          But don’t expect other people to subsidize your political views.

          “…by ensuring that Christians as a group have no voice, they have given up the core of their purpose….”

          BS, you can form a political action committee like any other group.

          “…cities burned with rioting and violence–the church is silent….”

          did the “church” speak out against American jobs being shipped overseas which deprived the cities of employment?

          “…massive fraud and corruption in govt–the church is silent….”

          might want to clean your own house first

          “…degradation, perversity and even bullying by a group that encompasses 1 to 2% of the populace and yet the overwhelmingly larger group remains silent….”

          oh yes, the all powerful Teh Gays.

          bullying? hey junior, your type has been murdering us for decades.
          how does it feel now that the shoe is on the other foot?
          [and you people are experiencing LITTLE of what we have suffered through, so your self pity is in VERY poor taste]

      • Preacher62

        If the Gospel comes attached to a salary, it is probably not the gospel.

        • afchief

          Pastors should work just like the rest of us. They should not earn a salary from other Christians to preach God’s Word. Tithing is NOT in the NT.

          • Preacher62

            I think that is what I just said.

  • iris

    Great post, Michael. Thank you.

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    Mike, the usurpers are afraid Christians will end them.

    Demographically; the socialists, the feminazis, the eugenic mass murderers, the militant athiests, the pseudoscience clerics, the Islamic terrorists, the deviant homosexual gestapo; all usurpers, only account for 21% of the population at best. Nominally, 17-18%. Christians are over 65% national population. However, national population growth has stalled – we’re in demographic winter. Coupled with the majority of the usurpers killing their own children as opposed to majority of faithful Christians, that doesn’t bode well for the death worshipers. No wonder they need the illegal immigrants – they’re running out of victims.

    When the Christians decide they follow Christ – not worship at the alter of public opinion – the usurpers are finally done. No more recruiting, no more manipulations: their revolutions will die out quickly in a few years. They’ll turn on anyone they can; especially each other.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…deviant homosexual gestapo….”

      as opposed to you good Christians (well, mormon in your case) who tossed your gay children into the street, who stood by and said nothing as gays were fired merely for being gay, or did the firing yourself

      as opposed to you good Christians who stood by and said nothing as gays were beaten, even murdered, or did the beating and murdering yourself

      now the shoe is on the other foor, and my sympathy is limited because of your history of oppression

  • NicksTaxFree

    I checked out the link. That proves there is no pre- trib rapture. The rapture can’t happen until the devil sits in the Temple. Which is day 1290 of Daniel 12:11 and Rev talks of day 1290. Another name is Jacobs troubles. Satan knows he has a short time.
    Daniel 12:12 tells us it’s only 45 days at day 1335.

    • Spook89

      Believe what you want, but Daniel wasn’t referring to the Harpazo. The Tribulation will be two, 3 1/2 year periods. Who do you think Paul was referring to when he said, “7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[d] who now restrains will do so until He[e] is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.” ? Paul was referring to the Holy Spirit, The AC will not be identified until the HS is “taken out of the way. Since Christians are sealed unto the Day of Redemption, that means we’ll be gone.

      • Mike

        A simple reading of Matthew and Thessalonians, convinced me to become pre trib, prewrath.

      • watchmannonthewall

        I think John was actually agreeing with Paul’s statement about the “mystery of lawlessness being already at work” by the following, “By this you know the Spirit of God ; every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of anti-christ which you have heard that it is coming and NOW it is ALREADY in the world.” (1 John 4:2-3) In Hebrew thought it isn’t what comes out of the mouth that testifys to something but rather the life lived by, the actions of, the person. John was saying anyone not walking in obedience to God was AC and Paul simply said the one coming would NOT walk in God’s Law, would walk lawlessly!

        The one who restrains God’s people from walking in righteousness is the devil just as weeds restrain the crops from the vital nutrients in the soil by stealing them. He will be taken out of the way at the beginning of the Millennial reign of Messiah and cast into the bottomless pit.

        The Day of Redemption is Yom Happado (not spelled right) but it is a literal named day in Hebrew and is actually the Day of Atonement/Redemption, the day of the battle of Armageddon, two sides of the same coin.

        It is just like the exodus from Egypt and the Flood. The Israelites were “redeemed” when the first born of the Egyptians “atoned for their redemption. The same pattern happened at the Flood: Noah and his family were “redeemed” and the rest of those on the earth paid, “atoned”, for their redemption. It will happen at least one more time when Jesus delivers His possession and slays His enemies from the one end of the earth to the other. Zephaniah (1:3) says there will not be any flesh remaining, “I will cut off man from the face of the earth”! It also happened whenJesus “atoned for you and you were “redeemed” unto God! We need to understand the patterns in Scripture to understand what it actually says.

    • Gay Veteran

      I find it so amusing to see you Christians arguing about the bible

      • jesus freak

        every time you make your comments Gay Veteran.. another warrior says a prayer for you… so keep it up.. the scales may come off your eyes

        • Gay Veteran

          at least you got the freak part right

          • jesus freak

            And proud of it… Whoops another pray up for you.. You can belittle us but u can’t stop us from praying for u cause We serve a Mighty God and we were once blind just like u, and He came for sinners just like u and me

          • Gay Veteran

            pray all you want, little good will it do you.

            why?

            why does “god” never answer the prayers of amputees?

          • awb22

            who says he doesn’t, sodomite?

          • jesus freak

            Well to start , prayers must be addressed to the one True God . That being said..does that mean my prayers are always answered ? No but I do remember Gods promises that He loves and walks with me through life’s problems. scripture tells us that John the Baptist leaped in his mothers womb when he saw Pregnant Mary come visit( they were cousins) Yet when he was thrown in prison, He sent word to ask Jesus if he was the Promised Messiah Jesus response is on Matthew 11 – Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me.. There is a difference between the God we want and the God who is- I’m so sorry for the loss of your limbs. I have been taking care of quadriplegics for thirty years and I see the struggles. . But there is a God who wants to show u hope . He is not hiding . I challenge u to read a chapter of the book of John every day. And ask this God that u don’t believe in to show Hinself to u if He is indeed real … And …. Whoopsies. Prayed again

          • Gay Veteran

            but, but, but “god” cures people, your type says so allllllll the time.
            but why does “god” NEVER answer the prayers of amputees?

          • jesus freak

            Well. Again sometimes God cures people, sometimes He just heals people – heals the hurt inside . I respectfully Argue that He has answers some amputees prayers . Your name is not gay warrior to the God of the universe, it is precious one… Stop running from Me , I love you… Curse me, yell at me, talk trash about me, it doesn’t matter.. I will keep pursuing you cause I made u and I love u.. There’s goes another prayer your way. Whoops

          • Gay Veteran

            “Well. Again sometimes God cures people….”

            but “god” NEVER cures an amputee.

            prayer?

            heh:

            http://whywontgodhealamputees dot com

          • jesus freak

            Whoops.

          • awb22

            why question god, so he didn’t give the human body the ability to regenerate limbs.

            you reject the truth of god’s word, that’s your privilege. you don’t then need to ridicule those who accept it.

          • Gay Veteran

            why not? I ridicule those who believe in democrats or republicans

            “…so he didn’t give the human body the ability to regenerate limbs….”

            but your “god” is almighty!

          • awb22

            sure he does

          • jesus freak

            One more thing. John the Baptist was then be-headed

          • Gay Veteran

            uh, you proved my point, because “god” didn’t reattach John’s head

          • awb22

            the question isn’t whether he could, but why didn’t he. god has a plan, sodomite joe, and you’re part of it

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwwww, Sodomite Obsessed Polly, your “god” NEVER reattaches heads or limbs.

            so keep believing those fairy tales

          • awb22

            doctors have re-attached limbs, el stupido.

          • Gay Veteran

            now Sodomite Obsessed Polly, don’t change the subject, you know I was talking about amputed limbs no longer available for a doctor to reattach.

            now again, why does “god” NEVER answer the prayers of amputees

          • awb22

            why do you say he doesn’t? talk to any amputees lately? He does.

          • Gay Veteran

            seen any regenerated limbs?

          • awb22

            if god wanted man to regenerate limbs, he would have given him the ability to do so. it must not be as critical as you make it out.

          • Gay Veteran

            more like “god” is incapable of regenerating limbs

          • awb22

            hahaha, that’s a good one.

          • awb22

            your opinion really doesn’t matter

          • awb22

            in nature? sure.

          • Gay Veteran

            humans?

          • awb22

            if god wanted man to regenerate limbs, he would have given him the ability to do so.

          • Gay Veteran

            “god” parted the Red Sea, but you say he can’t regenerate limbs???

          • awb22

            you’re a liar, sodomite. I never said he couldn’t

          • jesus freak

            Well, lets start that prayers need to be to the one true God, that being said, does that mean God always answers my prayers? Of course not- Does that mean I sometimes doubt ? Of course it does.. John the Baptist was Christ’s Messenger and he while he was in prison, he sent word to ask if Jesus was the Messiah, or should they look for another. Christ reply was , Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me.. The is a difference between the god we want and the God who is.. But through doubt, I always come back to His promises that He will walk through the storm , and pick up our yoke of shame and guilt , and find rest for our souls.. I’m sorry for the loss of your limbs, I have worked with quadriplegics for 30 years and know the struggles.. but many of them have hope in Christ. If you would pick up the gospel of John and read a chapter a night, and ask the God that you doubt to reveal Himself , he will.. He is not hiding.. Look at creation, and see that He is all around .. whoopsies .. praying again.. and John the Baptist ended up being beheaded.. peace

        • JG

          Yes, don’t waste time arguing with him (Matthew 7:8 and 2 Timothy 2:23) but pray for him.

          • Gay Veteran

            Polly want a cracker?

          • awb22

            sodomite want a…

            oh, nevermind

  • afchief

    Matthew 5:10-11 (NASB) “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

  • Taking care of business!

    I suppose it’ll be like the rapes in Europe: we are asking for it. And after a fashion, both we and Europe are “asking for it,” by letting these Satanic-hooligans within our/their borders.

  • K

    You have already seen the beginning. So called Christian leaders, claiming we worship the same God as the muslims. That we should join with the muslims, as some of them already have. It will be the wolves, in sheep’s’ clothing who will grant the permission. They will turn against the true believers. They will claim, we are the same as the taliban. They will shed false tears, as they say we must be controlled. That we are militant, and radical. You will see these things, far sooner than you think.

    • watchmannonthewall

      My wife and I have been to see our “In-network” ME doctors who say to us, “We worship the same God.” Sad to say you are right that many are falling for this line and it is becasue they do not know the meaning of the Scripture. We are aware of this happening more and more lately. I think they (those from the ME) are all getting the message this is how they are to respond to those who let it be known they are Christians or follow Jesus. It is to disarm them and encourage them to find a common bond. There is no doubt of the falseness of their statement!! They may not even know it themselves! Many religious Christian leaders of today obviously don’t!

      One thing that greatly encourages me, and should all of us, are forums like this for the following reason; Malachi wrote, “Then those who feared the LORD spoke to one another, and the LORD gave attention and heard it and a Book of Remembrance was written before Him for those who fear the LORD and esteem His Name. ‘And they will be Mine,’ says the Lord of Hosts [Yeshua] ‘on the day that I prepare My own possession, and I will spare them as a man spares his own son that serves him. So you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between the one who serves God and the one who does not serve Him.'” (Mal 3:16-18) If you have a chance, finish reading the passage of Malachi 4, noting there were no chapter and verses in the original, and then DO it.

    • carson

      yeah the interfaith is afoot these day’s.
      if researching, the term inter-faith will bring up more articles then most other terms.
      Many perish because of a lack of knowledge and if they had knowledge of God and His word even without much knowledge of inter-faithism itself they’d hear interfaith spiels and recognize it for what it is, hogwash and lie’s from hell, but without God they fall for the lie’s.

  • afchief

    That website is a great website. I go to it all the time. After 30 years in churches where I was a youth pastor and elder for years my family and others finally had enough of the pride, love of money and power we saw in pastors and church leadership. God open our eyes to see that this is NOT what He had in mind for His church. Christ meant for His church to be “relational”. How can a pastor or anyone be relational with everyone in their church? They can’t! Jesus is our example and He only had a close relationship with 12 people. What makes us think that we can have a close relationship with more than that?

    In years past, I always wondered what Philippians 2:12 meant when it states to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” But now I have better understanding of this scripture. These bishops, elders, preachers, apostles cannot and will not help anyone in their relationship with God.

    They are distractions and the very reason why we are admonished as Christians to deal directly with God and again work out our own salvation. While many would argue with me – and try to call me out because they feel that I’m rejecting the man made covering of God – I’m going to stand fast in the liberty that Jesus gave me. And I have scripture to back me up.

    • watchmannonthewall

      Scripture over and over states wwe are each going to be rewarded for our works, whether we have accepted Messiah and His blood for our redemption or no. The difference is, the blood is a requirement by the Father. Those who reject the blood have no covering! Work out your salvation with reverence and awe! You are right!! Paul said we were “created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” Once you have accepted His blood atonement, those “good works” are found in God’s Instructions and in what Jesus taught! (Luke 10:25-28)

      • iris

        I so agree, but my hope is in Christ and God’s Holy Spirit for those works. Philippians 1:6, He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it until the day of the Lord Jesus, and Philippians 2:13, For it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
        I’ve found that my heart and subsequently my actions can stay in a better place more easily, when I rest in that hope and simply lean on Him. (:

        • watchmannonthewall

          Not sure if you looked at Luke 10:25-28 but Yeshua there, when asked by the lawyer how to obtain eternal life, responded by asking him what the Law of Moses said, thus indicating the Law contains the answer to his question. After the lawyer told Him, Jesus said “You have answered correctly: Do this and you will live.” Question: “Was Jesus lying, or did He say we will have eternal life if we do what Moses said?” There was no NT when this dialogue took place!!

          Let’s leave what we have been taught, the 2,000 years of false docrine, aside and simply accept the plain Word of Messiah. Yes, we have to come through the blood of Jesus, but the Law itself requires blood to atone for sin. Paul referred to this as “from faith, to faith” in Romans 1:17. First the blood of lambs and goats and then the blood of Jesus! We can assume the lawyer was following that aspect of God’s requirement. Now he just has to obey the words of the One who redeemed him from slavery to sin. He won’t sin anymore if he does this. (1 John 3:2)

          The word “hope”, as used in NT Scripture, actually means “expectation”. If you are being lead by the Spirit of God you will not be violating His, the Father’s, Instructions. You therefore should have an expectation, an assurance, of your own salvation, the redemption of your body, and the understanding you will be returning to the Land God promised Abraham forever, where God will dwell with us and be our God and we will be His people! (Ex 6:7-8 and Rev 21:1-3)

          This assurance brings great peace and joy! See how the OT and NT correspond with one another? Awesome!

          • iris

            Of course Jesus wasn’t lying about the Law, but He’s the only one who ever could or did fulfill the Law. As it says in Romans, believers establish the Law because we are walking in the Spirit, in faith of grace, not by our own power or righteousness. Galatians is clear that the Law is a tutor to lead us to Christ. “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”. Just one sin, even a fleeting one in the mind or heart, is enough to deservedly keep us from Him for eternity. Only He is perfect, that’s why we need Jesus, and why He came. I don’t have an argument with you, if you noticed, I’m in agreement about works, (see my first sentence). I just trust God for them, and praise Him for His faithfulness. I’m not perfect, and will never become Him, as the occult based New Age, or Transhumanism purports, but He has promised that He’ll transform me into His likeness, and that I’ll be with Him where He is. God bless.

          • watchmannonthewall

            I hear what you are saying. I’m just asking you to take a step back and be open to look at things a bit differently. It is obvious you know the Scripture and have a pure heart. We are told by our leaders no one can keep the Law but God said He gave the covenant and promises of Abraham to Isaac, “because Abraham obeyed me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and my Law.” (Strong’s #8451- Torah- Gen 26:5)
            In the NT Luke testified of John the Baptist’s parents, “And they were both righteous in the sight of God, walking BLAMELESSLY in all the commandments and requirements of the LORD.” (Lk 1:6) What “Law” was Luke referring to which they were “blamelessly” walking in? God told Abraham, “I am God Almightly; walk before me and be BLAMELESS and I will establish My covenant between Me and you. (Gen 17:1b-2) The earlier Gen 26:5 quote shows he did do this and he was a foreshadow of Messiah. How?Remember God told Abimelech Abraham was a prophet. (Gen 20:7) His life prophesied of the life of Jesus! Isaac received the blessing due to Abraham’s obedience, just as we receive it by Jesus’! Isaac didn’t do anything to get the blessing except offer himself to his father on the altar; Paul speaks of this as our “reasonable service”!
            Paul also said, “…what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God” (1 Cor 7:14), and “Jesus Christ is the end (Strong’s Grk- #5056- telos- goal, result) of the Law for righteousness sake.” If we walk in the Law as He did, we will look just like Him! He also asked, just before your quote from Romans 3:31, above, “Does faith nullify the Law?” Of course not! Grace doesn’t either! (6:1)The Jews Paul wrote to at Rome fully understood what Paul was saying since they had studied the OT from childhood. Remember, Pricilla and Aquila were also ones to whom he was writing. (16:3) They knew Deut. 13:1-11 requires anyone who teaches a different Law than that of Moses to be stoned. This was the charge made against Paul (21:28) and Stephen (6:13-14) in Acts by the Pharisees/Jews who had their own “Oral Law” they followed, which trumped the Law of Moses! Find an old encyclopedia and look this up under Judaism. I just found more confirmation on this in an Open Bible I got from Jerry Falwell back in the late 70’s! I’m sure it will tell you some things about the Oral Law. This was what Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for using to void God commandments, their “oral traditions”. Paul used to follow these. If we understand this, Paul will make a lot more sense.
            Just asking you to think about it and research it. Now that I have done the historical research on the foundations, I understand where we went wrong 1,900 years ago and the Bible makes so much more sense, all of it! God has been merciful since then, but that period of time is ending. (Mal 4)

          • iris

            apology accepted, and thanks for your input wotw. I get you, and agree, but I think perhaps I come at it from a different angle. Have been a believer for 42 years and in many different denom and non denoms, went to a Bible college and have taken several inductive studies, read the Bible a lot, but this is how I do best to keep the Law and do good works, by faith in grace and leaning on Him. I “strive to enter into that rest”. (:

          • watchmannonthewall

            Ahhh, me too! Can’t wait for that 7th day rest of 1,000 years, the Day of the LORD!

          • iris

            Amen! And come, it will!

          • watchmannonthewall

            Sorry, I should have responded to your comment about one sin keeping us from Him for eternity. Both the writer of Hebrews (10:26-31) and 1 John (2:1 and 3:7-9), teach us that once we have come into Christ, we no longer “practice” sin. It is not a way of life. Yes, we still sin but we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous who makes intersession for us by His blood. We are to confess it and “go and sin no more.” God is not waiting to slam us down. He understands we are in this flesh and we still need to bring the acceptable sacrifice, which both Abraham, and Zacharias and Elizabeth did, spoken of below. He just wants a proper response from us!

    • Gay Veteran

      don’t you Christians have some bible verses to fight over?

      • afchief

        There are 9 we all agree on!!!!!!

        The Bible contains 9 specific references to homosexuality: 4 in the Old Testament (Genesis 19:1-25; Judges 19:22-30; Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13) and 5 in the New Testament (Romans 1:24-28; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; 1 Timothy 1:8-11; 2 Peter 2:6-10; Jude 1:7). The passage in Romans, in particular is so clear that it seems to have been written by St. Paul in anticipation that people might challenge the idea that homosexual behavior is wrong (in case you don’t get it, let me make it perfectly clear!). In addition, there are numerous other passages that touch on this topic indirectly through comments on the biblical view of marriage and family, promiscuity, and sexual purity. Included in these references are Genesis 2:18-25; Proverbs 18:22; Mark 7:21; 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5; Romans 6:13; Romans 13:13; 1 Corinthians 6:13; 1 Corinthians 6:18-19; Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; Revelation 21:8; Revelation 22:15.

        Homosexual behavior is always discussed in the Bible as a serious sin. It is usually not singled out, but listed among other particularly heinous sins as examples of how depraved one can become. It is discussed in the context of idolatry. Idolatry is a most serious offense against God, and its seriousness helps explain why homosexual behavior was a capital offense in the Old Testament. Historical Christian interpretation has consistently viewed homosexual behavior as sinful. The modern word sodomy even comes from the biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah.

        • Gay Veteran

          like I’m going to take any lectures on morality from a person who still supports our war of aggression against Iraq.

          like I’m going to take any lectures on morality based on a book which could not flat out condemn slavery

          • afchief

            It is the cover ups that are the proof of the evil of homosexuality. HIV is caused by homosexual behavior. Like most diseases it can be spread to innocent victims and it has and that is lied about. It is constantly mutating against the medical serums that attempt to control it and that creates related drug resistant viruses that can be blamed on something other than HIV. The corruption of the industry created by this creates a voter base to keep it going, not cure it. This is lied about. The annual HIV death rate averages 15000 in this country and 1.7 million around the world.

          • Gay Veteran

            one would truly have to be a fool to trust anything Dr. afchief has to say.
            you’re so ignorant that you don’t know that AIDS has become a manageable disease.

            unfortunately for you, no cure for mental retardation

          • Gay Veteran

            get your talking points from Westboro Baptist Church??????

        • Gay Veteran

          YOU still support a war of aggression against Iraq (and probably Libya and Syria) which resulted in the deaths of 1000s of Americans and 10s of 1000s of wounded Americans, and over a MILLION dead Iraqis.

          lecture me on morality?!?!?!?!? you can go F yourself with a rusty chainsaw

          • afchief

            You know if the truth would come out about the homosexual lifestyle which our media never tells us about. More people would know the truth of how sick and twisted this lifestyle is. For example; some gays may have to wear diapers for the rest of their poor lives. The few unfortunates who have AIDS may have their lives shortened to just 38.547 years. Sure doesn’t sound normal to me but abbynormal!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            I understand why you don’t want to talk about the wars of aggression YOU continue to support.
            you think I’m going to he ll? sorry, but that’s YOUR destination because of the blood on your hands

          • Gay Veteran

            wow, you sound like you’re stuck in the 1970s.
            and your type rarely hates only one group

          • awb22

            neither does yours.

          • Gay Veteran

            get your talking points from Westboro Baptist Church?????

          • Derek D

            Stay on topic much?

          • Gay Veteran

            I constantly have to remind afchief of his support for war crimes.

            but Teh Gay is soooooooooooo much worse

          • awb22

            you first

        • Gay Veteran

          you want to parrot bible verses?

          here’s one:

          1 Samuel 15 (New International Version)

          3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ ”

          your “god” ordered the murder of children and infants

          • awb22

            God does not go against his own word. It’s still nothing compared to what the pagans were doing, idiot. Also doesn’t speak well for what you deserve, are did you skip Romans 1?

          • Gay Veteran

            what the pagans were doing?

            you mean like the pagan INFANTS that were ordered to be murdered by your “god”

          • awb22

            no, they were sacrificing their own children, idiot

          • Gay Veteran

            oh, so the pagans were sacrificing their own children and “god’s” solution was to order the murder of their children?!?!?!?!?!?

            keep it up junior, more and more will turn away from your gutter religion

          • awb22

            you’re wrong, once again, idiot. More and more are turning to the truth of god’s word.

          • awb22

            you’re wrong, more and more people are turning to the truth, idiot

          • Gay Veteran

            well yeah, fewer and fewer people in this country are following your religion

          • awb22

            always qualifying your answer, and wrong once again.

        • JB

          Again – don’t waste your time with “Gay Veteran.” Pray for him, but don’t expend any further effort as it would be diminishing returns. Only God can change him.

          • Gay Veteran

            poor JB, your religion exists for 2 reasons:
            (1) man fears death
            (2) as a means of social control (obey the king or you’ll go to he ll).

            Heck, I’ll toss in a third reason:
            (3) as a means for priests and preachers to obtain money and power

        • Gay Veteran

          get your talking points from Westboro Baptist Church?

        • watchmannonthewall

          Scripture teaches we are not to judge those who are outside the body. We are to judge those who claim to be in covenant with others within the body. “For what have I [Paul] to do with judging outsiders? Do not you judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. Remove that wicked man from among yourselves.” (1 Cor. 5:12-13)

          • afchief

            Who is judging? Quoting scripture is NOT judging.

          • Gay Veteran

            ROFLOL, liar, that’s your entire point: casting stones

          • awb22

            hypocrite

  • Jim Davis

    I see what the new strategy for this site is. The blood moons and The Rapture was a giant fail. So now let’s play up the Everyone is Picking on us Evangelicals meme.

    • Gay Veteran

      self pity isn’t pretty

  • DJohn1

    The question is not about Christians or Jews or anyone else.
    It is about the right of people to believe what they want and when they want to believe. The right to the pursuit of happiness in the law.
    It does not matter what one believes. It does matter that you have the right to do so without someone attempting to bully you out of doing so.
    This young man believes he is going to some kind of paradise if he dies doing this terror on everyone else. What this young man is actually doing is condemning his own religious beliefs and the many people that believe as he does to a life outside this country. Because once you force someone to believe as you do, you violate the constitutional rights of citizens.
    What needs to happen is that this belief system needs to change in order to survive. Because the moment you use force you have lost the right to live here.
    IF the world at large took this attitude then they would all be shipped back to where they came from with their excess baggage.
    Then they are free to live this belief in a hell of their own choosing.
    The result of terrorism is often an equal and opposite reaction to what is intended. Meaning that everyone of that belief system is evicted from the country with prejudice.
    And that will happen.
    To create terror situations here is a vote for Donald Trump.
    Because that Muslim cause simply cannot exist for long here without a general uprising of the public against them.
    People beaten down are easy targets. We, as a people, are not easy targets but a lot of us are expert weapon users. Meaning these people may never see a court room but might get shot down in the act of attempted terrorism.
    Guns are not the only weapons. But Christians everywhere need to change how they think about people threatening their right to their own belief system.
    As to that paradise, what if Christ is on the throne? What if when they die they are condemned by Christ on his throne to eternal damnation? Because that is as likely to happen as the tall tale that they have been given by their teachers.
    That also might be a tall tale. There is evidence though slim that these Muslim People need to know that there is a different thing going on.
    If I owned a pet dog or a pet cat it would likely be loved. It would be cherished and given the best care I could find through a Vet office. I would not sacrifice it like a chess piece in a game.
    Yet here we stand in the middle of a war between Satan and Christianity. A war that has been going on for at least a couple of thousand years.
    If we as humans are owned by Christ then something similar is going on. We are talking about a god-level intelligence as far above our own as we are above the short lived pets we often own.
    With that in mind, I have serious problems with anyone attacking Christian-believing people. WE ARE LOVED. And the first commandment of Christ? We are to love the Lord our God with all our hearts and all our souls.
    The curse of killing Christians is a terrible one indeed. But again, that is a belief system.
    Should churches have security? I think we pay good money to our tax system so that we have the right to believe whatever we want and be free from terrorism of any kind. With that in mind, I have no problem with a licensed security person or persons keeping the sheep of Christ safe as they worship in whatever manner they choose.
    And let it be known, if they worship that the Earth is flat and we will all fall off if we get near the edges, I would still defend their right to do so. It isn’t about belief. It is about your right to believe as you want to without harassment of any kind.

    • Gay Veteran

      there wouldn’t be any muslim refugees without America’s wars of aggressions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen.

      HOW many of you Christians spoke out against these war crimes??????????????

      • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

        Plenty! The Evangelical Lutheran Church was opposed to the invasion of Iraq, as were the United Methodists, United Church of Christ, the Quakers, the Pope, and many others.

        • Gay Veteran

          interesting, you RARELY will find anyone here who opposes our wars of aggression!

          just ask afchief

      • iris

        I’m a conservative Christian and I’ve mentioned several times here in other posts about the MidWestern U.S. university which has created, printed and mailed out pro jihadist reading materials geared for children in differing Arab dialects to ME countries since the 1980s. The link has since disappeared, but read about this in more than one article in 2001 and 2002 on a conservative internet news site. They never gave the name of the university, perhaps they ceased dispensing such materials, although jihad and the destruction of Israel is still being taught to the children in the UN schools in the ME, but the point is, why do you feel the need to blame Christians for such actions?

        • Gay Veteran

          hey iris, answer the question:
          HOW many of you Christians spoke out against these war crimes??????????????

          oh, the link “disappeared”, well isn’t that convenient for you

          • iris

            Your derogatory comments are always intended to pull others away from the main point and into attacking you back. Then you conveniently make some statement which tries to make whom you baited, look bad. When I consider how many different people, events and topics you’ve done this with, well, it’s pretty obvious to me that you’re probably a troll, GV. I’m sorry you’re consumed by your anger, but we’ve all been hurt in life and we’ve all hurt others, as well.

            And since you jumped on the opportunity (figured you would) to discredit regarding the link, even though I was agreeing with you, LOL, one of the 2 articles was posted on News With Views, which had a good track record for its journalism, much better than MSM, anyway. They’re still around as far as I know, even though I don’t follow them anymore, so I’ll try to contact them and ask for advice to research their archives. If I can find it, I’ll get it included.

          • Gay Veteran

            since you are still ignoring the question:

            HOW many of you Christians spoke out against these war crimes??????????????

          • awb22

            what difference does THAT make? You only care that the state forces acceptance of your lifestyle at the point of a gun, hypocrite.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh, and I guess you’re ok if a baker doesn’t want to bake a cake for an interracial couple too.
            against my religion, god don’t want the races to intermingle

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Now there’s a real current issue! Try traveling through the U.S. today to find even one baker who could care less that a black person is marrying a white person. Even the president of Bob Jones University, which used to forbid interracial dating, has admitted that the policy was wrong.

          • Gay Veteran

            get a f-ing clue, bakers know that if they refused to bake a cake for an interracial couple they would face massive protests.

            “…Even the president of Bob Jones University, which used to forbid interracial dating, has admitted that the policy was wrong.”

            just a few decades late

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            The fact is, hardly anyone cares anymore about interracial couples. But the proof that American attitudes about race have changed drastically over the past 50 years is in your answer: indeed if a business turned away an interracial couple, there would be howls of protest from an indignant public.

          • Gay Veteran

            “The fact is, hardly anyone cares anymore about interracial couples….”

            but the number is not zero.

            and look on the bright side, soon hardly anyone will care anymore about gay couples.

          • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

            Wrong on that second part, dude.Even conservative Christians will get used to the fact of gay marriage. But most of them won’t stop believing it’s sinful.

          • Gay Veteran

            and some conservative Christians won’t stop believing interracial marriages are sinful.
            let them grumble all they want

          • awb22

            in your upside down world, maybe, not mine.

          • awb22

            how does he feel about sodomites?

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwww, Sodomite Obsessed Polly is stalking me.

            how does “god” feel about anything?

            I don’t know.

            Neither do you.

          • awb22

            Oh, but I do. You don’t know how your god feels, because if you did, you would be on your knees begging forgiveness from my god.

            As far as stalking goes, you’re the troll.

          • awb22

            what part of free enterprise do you not understand?

          • Gay Veteran

            so you’re ok if a baker doesn’t want to bake a cake for an interracial couple too?
            how about not renting out an apartment to them?
            not hiring them?

          • awb22

            Are you really that stoopid? There’s only one demographic that consistently and persistently violates rental agreements, although not exclusively, and that’s blacks. WRT employment, one slave is as good as another.

            Sodomites are too small a demographic to cater to them.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Sodomite Obsessed Polly, I know you’re obsessed with me but stick to the topic!

            we’re talking about bakers being forced to do something against their religion

            AGAIN: so you’re ok if a baker doesn’t want to bake a cake for an interracial couple too?
            how about not renting out an apartment to them?
            not hiring them?

          • awb22

            AGAIN: what part of free enterprise do you not understand? you can’t have it both ways. YOU support the state, so by extension, YOU support the war criminals, sodomite.

            What you’re experiencing is called cognitive dissonance. Reject your sin and accept the savior from sin, the Lord Jesus Christ. Save yourself.

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Sodomite Obsessed Polly, tell the truth! you support the right of a baker not to bake a cake for an interracial couple

            “…cognitive dissonance…”

            awww, so cute when a troll learns a new phrase

          • awb22

            what part of free enterprise do you not understand? you can’t have it both ways.

          • Gay Veteran

            and there you have it. Sodomite Obsessed Polly supports the right to discriminate against interracial couples
            figured a bigot like you doesn’t just hate one minority

          • awb22

            freedom of speech can be extended to all sorts of things. if you don’t like it, move to a police state somewhere.

          • Gay Veteran

            AGAIN:

            oh, and I guess you’re ok if a baker doesn’t want to bake a cake for an interracial couple too.

            baker: against my religion, god don’t want the races to intermingle

          • awb22

            Again:

            what part of free in free enterprise do you not understand?

            you can’t have it both ways, whining about the state, AND demanding the state defend your special status. by transition YOU support the wars of aggression, sodomite.

            let’s be clear

          • Gay Veteran

            awwwwww, Sodomite Obsessed Polly can’t be honest and say he supports the right of bakers to refuse to bake a cake for an interracial marriage because of the baker’s religious beliefs.

            and what special status? oh, you mean equal rights

          • awb22

            again, what part of free enterprise do you not understand?

          • Gay Veteran

            and there you have it, Sodomite Obsessed Polly supports the right to discriminate against interracial couples.
            how about African-Americans in general?
            Jews?
            Catholics?

          • awb22

            why not, don’t you discriminate against christians. why then wouldn’t everyone be allowed to discriminate against anyone they choose?

            You’re a hypocrite.

          • Gay Veteran

            already gave you my solution, a baker can refuse to bake a cake for gays IF the baker puts a sign on his front door stating “we do not bake cakes for gays”
            truth in advertising, you know.

            YOU support that same baker being able to refuse to bake a cake for an interracial couple. Let that baker put a similar sign on his front door: “we do not bake cakes for interracial couples”

          • awb22

            there you go with your statist opinion again. what part of free enterprise do you not understand?

          • Gay Veteran

            awwww Sodomite Obsessed Polly, tell everybody again how you think a baker should have the right not to serve interracial couples again, and how you think “nig*er” is a perfectly good word

          • awb22

            I’m pretty sure you’re the only one who cares, at this point. Why wouldn’t a baker have that right?

          • awb22

            tell everyone again how you don’t support free enterprise, sodomite.

          • awb22

            it’s called freedom of expression, sodomite.

          • Gay Veteran

            oh yes Sodomite Obsessed Polly, YOU are free to say “nig*er” all you want

          • awb22

            so are you, sodomite, see how easy it is

          • Gay Veteran

            but YOU are the one who thinks “nig*er” is a “perfectly good word”

          • awb22

            it’s a derogatory term, otherwise perfectly good, sodomite.

          • iris

            Contacted NWV and WND and searched archives of several authors, but wasn’t able to find the original articles. Like I said, that was about 15 years ago. Did find however, some pertinent articles about the U.S. involvement as far back as the early 1930s and continued into at least the 1980s in the ME. The purported premise was to fight Communism and retain oil interests at the same time. The plan was to use the culture of tribal war ingrained in Arabic societies in combination with the ideology of jihad, as a way to foster trust toward our interests in the region. We spent 51 million alone on children in Afghanistan and much more on children in Iraq, Iran and elsewhere. We looked the other way and at times, greatly encouraged the hostilities of Arab countries against Judaism and Israel, as an ends to a means.

            A more Islamic friendly, very well done article on the website, Global Issues, is entitled, U.S. Cold War Propaganda. A more neutral and much shorter article on Nova News, titled U.S. Spent Millions Giving Children Violent Textbooks, addresses that specific area. A book, Genocidal Liberalism, by Dr. Richard Cravatts, deals with current issues and how jihadist terrorism, the fomentation of global antiSemitism, etc., are all related to this former and current covert propaganda from different countries and organizations. Those are just 3, I bookmarked several others.

          • iris

            A huge part of the problem as to why a majority of Christians haven’t spoken out, is that our country, including yourself as well, is given so much misinformation in the process of social engineering, even our more educated citizens tend to trust whatever the MSM tells us is true. Like the sheep’s talking face in 1984, the voice drones incessantly with the same propaganda, and many know of no alternative sources or standard to compare it to. And of course, according to the MSM, alternative sources are highly untrustworthy.

          • Gay Veteran

            luckily I pay NO attention to the corporate media

          • awb22

            so says the hypocrite

  • Mike

    This is why Vruz will not get in.

  • Mike

    Cruz, sorry

  • Gay Veteran

    “… Prayer has been banned [in schools]….”

    there will be prayer in school as long as there are algebra tests. oh, maybe you meant government sponsored prayer

  • Gay Veteran

    “…two men are arrested for reading the Bible aloud near a government building….”

    outrageous, but follow the story: “…3) California Christians Found “Not Guilty” of Reading Bible Near Government Offices:” A court has said that a pair of Christians were ‘allowed’ to read the Bible aloud outside the Department of Motor Vehicles in Hemet, California….”

    Air Force story: “…Monk tells me Christians are trading places with homosexuals.
    “Christians have to go into the closet,” he said. “We are being robbed of our dignity and respect. We can’t be who we are.”…”

    again outrageous, but karma is a bit ch, they are starting to suffer what gays have suffered for decades

    and the Christian baker? simple solution, sure you are free not to bake a cake, but put a sign on your bakery door stating” we do NOT bake cakes for gay weddings”.
    truth in advertising

  • Seen2013

    “As I have warned so many times before, ISIS terrorists are already here, and what we have seen so far is just the beginning.”

    ISIS was an offshoot of Al-Qaeda, and the present leadership determined to adjust tactics after an Al-Qaeda affiliate was able to garner support from the UN in ousting Gaddafi when it was the main group who was trapped in the Benghazi pocket that sparked the UN Libyan Resolution. After ISIS’s successful exploitation of disarmed Iraq and seizure of US weapons and munitions meant to transition to Iraqi Security Forces, it pledged itself to ISIS along with Bokem Harem who is the terrorist operating in Kony’s former range but allegedly opposes Harem around Nigeria, Sudan, and South Sudan.
    Yes, ISIS existed before the Iraq war as a off shoot of Al-Qaeda.

    “Unfortunately, mainstream media outlets in both the United States and Europe purposely downplay the hatred that these Islamic radicals have for ordinary Christians, because they don’t want to make Muslim immigrants look bad.”

    It exposes increasing entrenchment of Guilty Until Proven Innocent a necessity for open borders, multiculturalism, and integration (co-existence).

    As a general rule, if you’re trading liberty aka free will for security, you’re trading Innocent Until Proven Guilty for Guilty Until Proven Innocent.

    “The Christian Post interviewed Yancey about this new book and the following is an excerpt from that interview…

    In the minds of many of the respondents
    Christians are ignorant, intolerant and stupid individuals who are
    unable to think for themselves. The general image they have of
    Christians is that they are a backward, non-critical thinking,
    child-like people who do not like science and want to interfere with the lives of everyone else.” (qtd)

    “Yancey and Williamson personally interviewed a number of “cultural progressive activists”, and the following are a few examples of what some of them said should be done to “the Christian right”…

    “I want them all to die in a fire.” (Male, aged 26-35 with Doctorate).

    “They should be eradicated without hesitation or remorse.
    Their only purpose is to damage and inflict their fundamentalist virus onto everyone they come in contact with.” (Female, aged 66-75 with Master’s degree).

    “They make me a believer in eugenics…. They pollute good
    air…. I would be in favor of establishing a state for them…. If not,
    then sterilize them so they can’t breed more.” (Male, aged 46-55 with Master’s degree).” (qtd)

    1. Man-made climate change and overpopulation are redirects of policies that force people into dire straits, but it also utilizes scientific law, which requires the system to be ‘finite, simple, or extremely isolated’. The flaw is scientific law also states those system having an imbalance collapses entirely.

    2). It is example of bad scientific method to:
    -Arguing through a position of authority

    -Omitting or misrepresenting or falsifying data

    -Inaccurate catalyst.

    First, how many readers know during the 1970s-80s that the New Age Movement split over man-made V natural catalysts? Yes, we’re discussing a concept derived by the New Age Movement.

    Second, few know the difference between a Scientific Theory and Scientific Law. Scientific Theory centers on understanding complex systems meanwhile Scientific Law centers on Tinkering like a mechanic, chemist, engineer, physicist, eugenicist, Neo-Malthusian, and etc.

    “So what makes a liberal activist that wants to “eradicate” Christians that much different from an Islamic terrorist that wants to achieve the same goal?”

    Liberals are people Progressives, which is truly Bismarkianists, who are convinced Absolute Authority is the solution to the world’s issues.

    According to optimum sustainable population, the sustainable population is between 250 million-500 million in perpetual balance with nature. Christian denominations is one of the fastest eroding religions who account for far less than 500 million easily.

    According the Universal Goals utilizing 1870-90s era and 1906-around 1960 era, we also know feeble-minded formerly formal for mental illness-defect includes but not limited to:
    -People who are living below standards of living or otherwise impoverished

    -Unborn, homeless, and elderly.

    -genetic impurity includes racial/ethnic/nationality minorities, which follows the general rule in which protected class status tends to need it from those who grant protected class/caste status.

    -Those with mal-adjusted, Opposition of Authority Disorders, and etc.

    As the adage goes, ‘the more things change the more they stay the same’.

    “We like to think that we are so much better than Nazi Germany, but the truth is that the exact same spirit is at work today.”

    The Nazis ‘Final Solution’ was aspired by the US’s population control policies of 1906-around 1960, which was around the time the courts ruled population control was unconstitutional. The ruling was repealed by Roe V Wade under ‘voluntary’ population control.
    In fact, you can read Eugenics: Re-Imaging to Reproductive Health of the 1970s that sets the arguments used during the 1994 UN Summit Agreement surrounding population control albeit authors as Engelman associated as a failure due to the financial crisis of 2008 incurred a ‘population expansion’.

    • iris

      Thanks for this. I know Hitler was a big fan of Margaret Sanger, didn’t know the formal movement of eugenics had gone back that far in the U.S, or that it was used as a template by the UN.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…ISIS was an offshoot of Al-Qaeda, and the present leadership determined to adjust tactics after an Al-Qaeda affiliate was able to garner support from the UN in ousting Gaddafi when it was the main group who was trapped in the Benghazi pocket that sparked the UN Libyan Resolution…..”

      ISIS is the creation of U.S. and Saudi Arabia. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, all American neo-con wars of aggression

      • watchmannonthewall

        Agreed! For people not to see and understand this today, they must have their eyes closed!

      • Seen2013

        “ISIS is the creation of U.S. and Saudi Arabia.”

        Along with about a half dozen other nations-interests.

        “all American neo-con wars of aggression”

        Which is why the rhetoric shifted to Dovish justifications. The only difference is Doves are more reluctant to send in ground troops beyond special forces and other proxies.

        About the only thing those powers-interests agree on is destabilizing the Middle East and exposing the Russian underbelly. Otherwise, the bait and switches polarize.

        Sorry for the tardy response.

  • info warrior

    These conspiracy theory websites are always funny to read. Even funnier is that people actually believe this crap. lol!

  • Scott

    John 16:33 – These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In
    the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have
    overcome the world.

    • iris

      (: Thanks!

  • Kent Harris

    How many people consider that the Super Bowl halftime had LGBT and Black Panthers that were displayed in a positive portrayal? Will preachers condemn any of this? They won’t because it is football and football is good. Satan takes something we like and then turns it into poisons. I have decided never to watch another football game. That is it. I have had it with the lie.
    While I am thinking about it does your church have a festival on church grounds that celebrates Halloween. You will probably say no but in all honesty a lot of churches celebrate Fall Festival / Harvest Festival to make it sound more appeasing. The fact that a church would ever celebrate a day that honors Satan is completely absurd but they do.
    I have been saying to people that the pulpit is where the problem lies and I believe that only a few preachers are called by God the rest are not. That is why the churches are doing so poorly because preachers were never called by God and we end up having an immoral church.

    • Gay Veteran

      “How many people consider that the Super Bowl halftime had LGBT…that were displayed in a positive portrayal?….”
      OH NOEZ, Teh Gay!

      • awb22

        don’t you?

  • iris

    Good examples! You’ve just been stating facts. Doesn’t mean you have hate, fear or ignorance behind the observations. And if people aren’t allowed to share differences of opinion or state facts as they see them, it won’t be long before they won’t be allowed to speak at all, and then soon enough, that will include those accusing the ones who have been silenced.

    • Gay Veteran

      “… Doesn’t mean you have hate, fear or ignorance behind the observations….”

      OR Doesn’t mean you don’t have hate, fear or ignorance behind the observations.

  • Diabolus Candidus

    It took you longer to get to Herr Hitler than I thought.

  • Gay Veteran

    “You’re not a girl (or a guy) just because you think you are….”

    genetically true. I have no problems with transsexuals, what they do is their business but I can’t pretend I understand it.

    “…Prejudice against African-Americans will continue so long as crime rates among that group remain disproportionately high….”

    the crime rate could be zero and there would still be prejudice

    “…A florist shouldn’t have to lend her time and talent to an event she feels is an abomination….”

    agreed, if the baker puts a notice on the bakery’s front door: “we do not bake cakes for gay weddings”
    truth in advertising, you know

    • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

      Oh come on, GV! How much prejudice remains against the Irish? The Poles? Asians? If crime rates and out-of -wedlock births among black Americans dropped to almost nothing and stayed that way for a generation, prejudice against members of that group would plummet just as fast. Even Jesse Jackson famously admitted that when he hears footsteps behind him at night and turns around and sees a white person he feels relieved. That feeling is based in statistical reality, not irrational bias. You know it, too.

      • Gay Veteran

        Oh come on, joPrejudice against African-Americans has a LONG history which won’t go away as simply as you imply

        • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

          This ain’t the America of 1950. Times and attitudes have drastically changed.

          • Gay Veteran

            gotten worse lately, and this ain’t 2050

  • MaxRockatansky33

    The one of the main causes of Christianofobia in US are organizations such as Westboro Baptist Church and a TV church shows of a rich charlatans pretending to do a Healing Miracles and pretending to be a new Messiah. And of course street preachers and Bible thumpers saying ” Believe in Jesus or burn in hell”. Fanaticism is wrong in any Religion.

    • Gay Veteran

      interesting there were no replies to your post

      • awb22

        you just did

    • Hyakkidouran

      I wouldn’t say it’s the main cause of violence. War over ressources and power usually is. And you just have men with a mad ego too.

      Religion can be a convenient excuse for all those things, and even when religion causes violence, it’s the tree hiding the forest of other causes.

      The leaders of ISIS are probably more concerned by their own lust for power than by bringing the kingdom of God on Earth. You don’t need to be a psychologist to assume this much.

  • iris

    Thanks for this, Jodie Lynn. Yes, the “Thought Police” are upon us in big and small ways.

  • JB

    Don’t waste your breath with “Gay Veteran.” See Matthew 7:8 and 2 Timothy 2:23. Pray for him – but don’t waste your time.

    • Gay Veteran

      oh, another Polly, want a cracker?

    • Jodie Lynn Gaeta

      Thanks for the counsel, but I really think that GV makes some valid points. He’s not just being antagonistic or abusive.

      • Gay Veteran

        I treat people who parrot bible verses like the parrots they are

        • awb22

          no, you just hate truth

  • Gay Veteran

    “…And why did they accede to that? For a tax break….”

    simple solution: don’t take tax exempt status.
    But don’t expect other people to subsidize your political views.

    you know what else happened in the 60s/70s?
    Civil Rights Act
    Voting Rights Act
    Clean Water Act
    Clean Air Act

  • Gay Veteran

    jeez, substitute “Jews” for “gays” and you would fit in with the SS

  • Gay Veteran

    poor afchief, doesn’t realize that there’s this thing called medical progress.
    though I have to admit not much progress in dealing with your retardation.

    and you think you hets NEVER get STDs, pathetic

  • Gay Veteran

    get your talking points from Westboro Baptist Church??

  • Gay Veteran

    get your talking points from Westboro Baptist Church???

  • Gay Veteran

    get your talking points from Westboro Baptist Church????

  • Holger Jahndel
  • Holger Jahndel

    Gender Activists Alarmed: New Report on the “Anti-Gender Mobilizations in Europe” by Left-Wing Think Tank

    July 31, 2015 by Gabriele Kuby

    The world-wide operating Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung (FES) is the intellectual activist centre of the Social Democratic Party (SPD) which presently governs Germany in a coalition with the Christian Democratic Party under Chancellor Angela Merkel. As their publications and conferences reflect, the FES pushes for same-sex marriage, reproductive rights, biotechnology, sexual diversity, gender equality, and sexual education. It also publishes reports with the intention of “naming and shaming” individuals, organizations, parties, and networks which work on behalf of life and the family. WEITERLESEN

    http://www.gabriele-kuby.de/vorabpruefung-inhalte/#c476

    Gabriele Kuby beim GLOBAL POLICY FORUM

    für UN-Vertreter in Mesa, Arizona, 16. Januar 2015

    After the fall of communism in 1989 the world expected a new era of freedom, free of totalitarian ideology. Yet, a new ideology took hold of the West and is now undermining the value-system on which the Western culture and the family are built….weiterlesen

    http://www.gabriele-kuby.de/wortmeldungen/#c471

    Gabriele Kuby in Czech Parliament, Prague 14 October 2014

    Gender – A new ideology destroys the family

    In our time we are subjected to a new ideology, which aims to dissolve the very basis of our existence: the difference between man and woman. This is the ideology of genderism….weiterlesen

    http://www.gabriele-kuby.de/wortmeldungen/#c460

    The Global Sexual Revolution

    Destruction of Freedom in the Name of Freedom

    Angelico Press, USA, December 2015

    Now available in English: Gabriele Kuby’s explosive new work on the revolution sweeping the globe….

    “As the carnage of untrammeled sexual license piles up in cultures that have embraced sexual revolutionary ideology, we need the kind of sober and thoughtful analysis Gabriele Kuby provides. Her work will help readers understand that false visions of freedom are highways to slavery, and that true freedom is to be found in self-mastery and virtue.”

    —ROBERT P. GEORGE, author of “Conscience and Its Enemies”

    weiterlesen

    http://www.gabriele-kuby.de/buecher/the-global-sexual-revolution/

  • Holger Jahndel

    Prof. Dr. Margrit Kennedy

    was an architect, an ecologist, a financial expert and a critic of the prevailing economic system. As a Professor she headed the department of “Technological Advancement and Resource Efficient Construction” at the University of Hannover’s architecture school. As early as 1982 she recognized that the broader application of ecological principles were inhibited by fundamental flaws in the monetary system, especially the consistent need for economic growth resulting from interest and compound interest. Through her continuous research and scrutiny she became an expert on the subject, working on practical solutions for essential Problems:

    How can we create a sustainable monetary system?

    What characterizes monetary systems which do not collapse repeatedly and which serve us rather than control us?

    Where can we find examples of well-working monetary systems in the past and present?

    http://www.margritkennedy.de/index.php?lang=EN

  • iris

    Well, it sure took long enough, but major organizations in the EU are now starting to actually call what has been going on with ISIS/ISIL/IS, what it is, genocide. Ding, Ding, Ding! Now, if the U.S. leadership would just get a spine and use the correct word, too, but then, O’s spokespeople stated they wouldn’t use the g word because of its legal ramifications. Come on, can’t they say, alleged genocide, instead? At least the politically correct EU is getting some guts, now.

  • Gay Veteran

    just ignore the centuries of the Catholic Church supporting monarchies, and no I am not wetting my pants over them “islamofascists”

    • awb22

      why bring the roman catholic church into it?

  • mollysdad

    NOW do you understand why the Crusades and the Inquisition were necessary?

  • Terri Horn

    I read something a few months ago. 8 million Christians were killed in the death camp but since di if ferent nationalities so not as bad as he Jews

  • Arizona

    I would advise ALL americans to watch this video,”FEMA CAMPS and CAPTIVITY”…by William Ross…this is whats coming to america……