Days Of Lot: New Survey Finds That Evangelical Christian Support For Gay Marriage Has More Than Doubled

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A new survey just released by the Pew Research Center has found that support for gay marriage in the United States is at an all-time record high. According to the survey, 62 percent of all Americans are now in favor of allowing gays and lesbians to get married, and only 32 percent are opposed. These numbers have almost flipped completely upside down from where they were a decade ago. In 2007, 54 percent of all Americans were against gay marriage and only 37 percent were in favor of it. To say that our culture has been transformed over the past ten years would be a major understatement.

 

One of the biggest shifts that we have seen has been among evangelicals. This brand new survey discovered that support for gay marriage among white evangelicals has more than doubled since 2007…

Support for same-sex marriage has risen across all religious groups in recent years, including among white evangelicals and black Protestants. Support for same sex-marriage among white Evangelicals has more than doubled compared with a decade ago (14% then, 35% now), while the share of black Protestants who favor same-sex marriage has increased from 24% in 2007 to 44% today.

In particular, the shift in favor of gay marriage among evangelicals has been most noticeable among young people. Today, a staggering 47 percent of all white evangelicals born after 1964 favor gay marriage

Overall, white evangelical Protestants continue to stand out for their opposition to same-sex-marriage: 35% of white evangelical Protestants favor same-sex marriage, compared with a 59% majority who are opposed. But younger white evangelicals have grown more supportive: 47% of white evangelical Millennials and Gen Xers – age cohorts born after 1964 – favor same-sex marriage, up from 29% in March 2016. Views among older white evangelicals (Boomers and Silents) have shown virtually no change over the past year (26% now, 25% then).

I honestly don’t know how this is possible.

How in the world did we get to the point where nearly half of all evangelicals born since 1964 have abandoned what the Word of God says about marriage?

As this massive cultural shift continues, it is going to become increasingly difficult for those that still want to try to stand up for traditional values.

Already, we have gotten to the point where no Bible-believing Christians will be able to participate in the wedding industry because the risk of getting slapped with a very costly lawsuit is just too great. One of these cases is headed to the Supreme Court, and so let us be praying for a positive outcome…

Jack Phillips and his Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, Colorado had never had problems before with homosexual customers. That changed when the Christian owner refused to create a cake to celebrate a same-sex marriage, the business landed in deep legal trouble with the state.

Now the U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to take up Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

It pits Phillips’ religious rights against the rights of a gay couple to receive the same and equal treatment under the law as heterosexual couples.

Today, the average American watches approximately five hours of television a day, and more than 90 percent of the news and entertainment that we watch is controlled by just six gigantic media conglomerates. All of those media giants are relentlessly advancing a pro-gay agenda, and we need to realize what is being done to us.

If you allow anyone to feed “programming” into your mind for five house a day, it is going to have a major impact on how you view the world.

This is particularly true of the next generation. Our children are being raised to fully embrace the social agenda of the radical left, and eventually they are going to become the leaders of tomorrow.

Our hearts should break when we read about young kids such as 9-year-old Audrey Cisneros

But Audrey is realizing it’s not an easy thing for people to understand — especially her fellow fifth-graders. Here’s how she puts it:

“A drag show is a very, very fun and special event where people can express themselves for who they really are, and show it to everyone that is in the room. You don’t judge people just because they dress up as the opposite gender or because they love someone of the same gender. Just be proud of them, don’t fight it.”

On Saturday, Audrey and other children attend a drag queen story hour hosted by My LGBT Plus. Similar events have been held across the country, aiming to familiarize kids with the gay community and give them “glamorous, positive and unabashedly queer role models.”

On the other hand, children all over the country are being banned from bringing Bibles to school or gathering for group prayer.

Eventually it will get to the point where our children can’t even say grace before a meal. If you doubt this, just check out what is happening in Sweden

Children at a Christian preschool in Sweden are no longer allowed to say grace at mealtimes, “Amen”, or talk about the Bible, after a ruling by the Umeå municipality.

Visiting the preschool for an inspection, supervisors from the district said the activities run contrary to the Education Act, which forbids educational content during school time from containing confessional elements, and states that children at must always have the choice of whether or not to participate.

The municipality said it felt that children at the Salvation Army-run kindergarten were not given enough of an opportunity to opt out of saying grace at mealtimes.

When I say that the radical left wants to eradicate our way of life, I am not exaggerating one bit.

The left does not believe in free speech and the marketplace of ideas. Instead, they believe in hate speech laws and using the legal system as a tool to punish those that do not see things the same way that they do.

Slowly but surely, they are going to criminalize the belief systems of those that disagree with them.

Meanwhile, much of the evangelical church is silent on these issues. Many leaders are concerned that if they do speak out that attendance will go down and offerings will not be as large as they were previously.

If evangelical churches had been boldly proclaiming the truth all this time, support for gay marriage among evangelicals would not have doubled over the past decade.

If we want America to repent and turn in a positive direction, it begins with us, and it is about time that we got started.

 
  • Ray S.

    What comes next is to open the doors for accepting and embracing other perversions like pedophilia and beastiality. There will come a time when these practices will be defended and we won’t be able to do anything about it to protect our children. Do enough searching around and you will already start to see the beginnings of this happening right before our eyes… Just as in the days of Lot. It is all about the children. Satan knows they are the future. I keep telling people this and they seem shocked about the comparison. But those of us who have lived through it remember that not even 15 years ago to mention homosexuality and transgenderism as something being taught to preschoolers would have been just as shocking then. Sadly our government has allowed perversion to become acceptable normal behavior now. Marriage is no longer what God says it is. Love is not about Jesus or the cross, it’s about your desires and lusts. I see Christian people even using the Bible to defend their twisted views, omitting key verses, anything that offends them, or saying that something does not mean what it says. In a generation or two there will be fewer and fewer people who will even believe it is a sin. They will believe the lie just as Eve believed the lie in the garden, and many will pave their own path to hell because of it.

    • iris

      exactly. The American Psychiatric Association worked for 20 years behind the scenes to have homosexual behavior accepted as normal, even though there’s plenty of data which shows otherwise. Now, they’ve been working, again, behind the scenes, to do the same with pedophilia. Evil is good and good is evil in the mind of someone who doesn’t have the Holy Spirit. I can’t remember where the verse is in the OT, but God says that one who abuses a child, incurs a double curse on themselves. Children are often now viewed more as burdens or commodities, than as human beings with needs and intrinsic beauty and value. All part of the culture of death and signs of the last days.

      • Gay Veteran

        poor iris, still obsessed with Teh Gays

      • MaxRockatansky33

        Driving cars, eating shellfish and mixing fabrics is also “against nature”

        • Gay Veteran

          ROFLOL

    • guppy

      Muhammad had a 6 year old wife. In the Muslim world they think its perfectly fine to marry children or even r aape them.

      • Joel W

        And like this article being about the perversion of Christianity, that is perversion of the Islam. And as for hundreds of years ago, it was a common thing in all religions back then. Some Mormons sects (pseudo-satanists) still practice it as well.

    • MaxRockatansky33

      Pedophilia? Ask your priest or go to closest parish church. Focus on more important things than gays. Better protect your children from pedophile priests or teachers. BTW most of cause of pedophilia behavior happens in families.

  • Brett Skidmore

    So the law of Moses condemned homosexuality as well as gathering sticks on the sabbath. Paul condemned it along with women praying in church. So are we all just certain that homosexuality is a sin? Jesus never spoke on the subject, maybe Paul was wrong. How can anyone know, it’s just up to the individual to decide if they “feel” it is of God or not to condemn or accept it.

    • Guest

      Sodomy is against nature.

      • Brett Skidmore

        By whose definition, that’s always the question. One can argue and reason using the Bible forever but never be able to prove definitively that a concept or spiritual principle is true

        • Guest

          Many states in America have laws concerning “crimes against nature”, which criminalize certain sexual conduct such as sodomy, incest and bestiality.

          Now, are you going to argue that incest and bestiality aren’t wrong?

          • Brett Skidmore

            Personally I believe that depriving individuals of their rights or harming animals is wrong. But I believe two adults who are consenting should be protected by the law.

          • Joel W

            Two adults can do what they want, yes, nobody is saying any differently, but it is most certainly not a marriage before God. And any church that performs such sham ceremonies is spitting in the face of God. Marriage is a religious institution and government needs to stay out. They got their civil unions, which grants all same legal rights. The push for gay ‘marriage’ is nothing but an attack on Christianity. By the way, I’m not a Christian, at least nowhere near today’s definition, so I don’t have that bias. But it is what it is.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…The push for gay ‘marriage’ is nothing but an attack on Christianity….”

            BS, your type were opposed to civil unions too, but now you’re changing your tune

          • Joel W

            What is it that is said about people who assume what they do not know? First, I personally was never opposed to civil unions. What other people felt is out of my control. And secondly, by ‘your type’ I am guessing you are referring to Christians. Here is the thing though. I’m not a Christian. Just stating facts.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…The push for gay ‘marriage’ is nothing but an attack on Christianity….”

            sorry for assuming you were a Christian

          • Joel W

            No need for apology. I could see why you would think that, considering the points I was making. Just call em how I see em.

          • Joel W

            Last thing. It appears your only purpose being here is to agitate and troll. Don’t you have anything better to do with your life than prove my point about attacking Christianity?

          • Gay Veteran

            not attacking Christianity, just those so called Christians who are obsessed with Teh Gays

          • Joel W

            I don’t think it is so much an obsession with homosexuality as more taking issue with the Pink Mafia agenda of shoving things down people’s throats and the slow creep of systemic indoctrination of children. And as not a Christian, or a religious person for the most part, I have to agree. Nobody cares what two adults do. Just keep it to yourselves, and most certainly leave children out of it. I personally don’t want to see a straight couple all over each other in public, so same goes for a homosexual couple. And the Pride Parades are nothing but a public display of degenerate behavior. That is what the issue is, and I am most certain, most would agree with me on that.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…And the Pride Parades are nothing but a public display of degenerate behavior….”

            a small part

            do you also condemn Mardi Gras?

          • Joel W

            Yea most of them are absolute degenerates as well. I’m not claiming to be a saint, or perfect, but there is public decorum. And with the ‘pride parades,’ they are during the day, with children seeing the filth.

          • Gay Veteran

            hmmmmm, so according to your “logic”:
            gays = incest = bestiality

            you know what? the later 2 involve a lack of consent

        • kartune

          Mr Skid. I am under no delusion that im not a sinner, or that my sins are less than another’s. The difference between ME and the lgbt group, is that THEY want absolution and acceptance of their behavior. Rationalizing sin is a path of destruction. Look at the passion plays put on by the lgbt community in san fran, and you will see the spirit that drives them. Debauchery in the representation of our dear saviors likeness is not only tolerated it is celebrated. In the city of Sodom, the men, ALL the men, of the city surrounded lots home wanting to “know” his guests the angels. Lot was almost torn to pieces because he suggested their behavior was wicked. THAT was when the angels blinded the men of the city. JESUS Himself was there with Abraham before the destruction of Sodom. The Lord is VERY clear on His stance on ALL KINDS of sin. PLEASE. DO NOT try to use the holy bible to justify yours, or anyone elses, behavior and sin. Love does not abide in iniquity, Corinthians. If you willfully continue to sin there is no more grace, Hebrews. We are all filthy. We are all sinners. We are all condemned under the law, which Jesus wrote with His own finger in stone. Jesus is our safety. He is our redemption. And His stance on homosexuality is crystal clear.

          • iris

            So true and same here.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…The difference between ME and the lgbt group, is that THEY want absolution and acceptance of their behavior….”

            uh no, we want legal equality

            “…Jesus is our safety. He is our redemption. And His stance on homosexuality is crystal clear….”

            really, guess you can cite some verses where Jesus made it “crystal clear”

            and speaking of “crystal clear”, how come you Christians have so many different interpretations of the Bible???

          • kartune

            Im left with an impression that you’re being disingenuous about why “Christians” have so many interpretations of the bible” and could care less about what the bible or Jesus has to say about homosexuality. Arguments between people of such differing opinions (you and I) are fruitless. You want your lifestyle sanctioned by everyone. (Christian cake shop, Christian tee shirt shop, etc) and if you don’t get it you push to punish “legally.” But no one is stopping you from getting a cake made or a tee shirt printed. But that’s not enough. YOU want those that don’t agree with your lifestyle to be forced to comply or be punished, so you target them. (im using YOU as an object just as your comment used YOU towards me as Christians in general) There are many many business owners that will accommodate the lgbt crowd. So why do you gays have so many interpretations of “legal equality?”

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Jesus is our safety. He is our redemption. And His stance on homosexuality is crystal clear….”

            AGAIN: guess you can cite some verses where Jesus made it “crystal clear”

          • kartune

            Again. You don’t care. Anything I offer as proof will be dismissed. I see your comments up and down the thread attacking and ridiculing all the Christians offerings. Why? No snappy comments for other posts? No mind boggling insight into THEIR beliefs? Yours is a singular intent, designed to eradicate a viewpoint about your lifestyle that (through your actions) make you uncomfortable. Why do you care what Christians believe? What does it matter? Please show me all the evidence of all the instances where the evil Christians called for your death, dismemberment, or banishment from the ranks of civilization. There aren’t any. And yet here you are, mr enlightenment, trolling articles with Christian themes and attacking those on the side of Jesus. YOU, are the one obsessed. Anyone on this thread can see it.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Please show me all the evidence of all the instances where the evil
            Christians called for your death, dismemberment, or banishment from the
            ranks of civilization….”

            you don’t know history very well

            obsession is a problem with some of you so called “Christians” who are obsessed with Teh Gays

          • kartune

            you don’t know history very well
            HA! Look at you! Changing the discussion from whats happening TODAY, to all of recorded history, to make your point about discrimination. Well done sir! But hardly applicable. Well, unless youre like a… 1200 year old homosexual… Are you? Is that what we”re all dealing with here?! Unknowingly we have been having a discussion with someone that’s been alive for a thousand years??!!!

          • MaxRockatansky33

            Bigotry.

        • C R Lord

          Are you arguing your point from the perspective of skepticism and unbelief or do you claim to be a believer. If you were a believer you would know that the Holy Spirit leads all God’s children into truth – not confusion. Confusion comes from the father of lies and can only exist in those who are willing to listen to and believe his lies. Which is it for you?

      • Sitting in a “cancer box” (modern house) surrounded by EMFs, eating chemical-laden foods and guzzling sugary drinks is also against nature. As is sitting in front of the TV or using a computer. Nature perhaps rightly has NONE of those things in it.

        • guppy

          I think the worst EMFs at home are Wi-Fi, powerline adapters and cordless home phone + base station. Best to have the wi fi & powerline on a timer or get wifi with an on off switch. Also leaving electric cords without on off switch is bad, although I found the hard way not to turn off my shrimp tank bubbler at night. At least thats 1.6 watts on low so the EMFs are small.

      • Gay Veteran

        ROFLOL, yeah, that’s why you see so much of it in nature

      • MaxRockatansky33

        Using computer is against nature.

    • Terri

      It is amazing how people spout off without reading the bible. May I suggest when you ‘feel’ like it to read Math 19:4-5.
      You may not ‘feel’ like reading the scripture but maybe your feelings are getting in your way of processing accurate thought.
      Homosexuality cannot create a child. Thus the child you hold in your arms is from a man and woman.

      • Brett Skidmore

        Homosexuality cannot create a child – is this the qualifier for a marriage sanctioned by God? So what about a man or a woman incapable of having children. In Matthew Christ talks about a man and a woman in marriage. One could interpret this as being anti gay marriage, but he doesn’t specifically address the subject so one must simply assume or draw their own conclusion. It proves nothing as to Gods true intentions. How can anyone know what God really thinks about the matter for certain, impossible to prove. Religion and spirituality can’t be proven to be true. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional

        • joanofark06

          Wow, I feel like I just heard satan speak!

          • Brett Skidmore

            Whether homosexuality is of God or Satan is for each person to decide for himself / herself. I respect your belief as that’s all one can do when it comes to religion or spirituality. Don’t get me wrong however, just because something can’t be proven using logic or reason doesn’t mean it isn’t important in my opinion. I value my Christian beliefs and my spirituality though I may not be able to necessarily prove one way or another that they are true. But relying on logic and reason alone to prove something is true or untrue spiritually speaking or whether something is moral or immoral is impossible and delusional thinking in my opinion.

          • Greg

            I’m afraid that you are lost. Evidence abounds in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. All scripture is God breathed.

          • Brett Skidmore

            Thank you all for your comments I do appreciate a good dialogue, but I respectfully disagree that evidence abounds. From my research homosexuality is addressed in Leviticus – the law of moses, and in the teachings of Paul. There are over 31,000 verses in the bible and homosexuality is addressed maybe 5 or 6 times by two people. And I agree that scriptures contain the word of God, but do all verses of the bible? Do women pray in your churches and do you believe Paul speaks for God when he specifically states that they should not?

          • Jake Motzkus

            Brett, from your comments, YOU are the ultimate authority and final judge of what is true based only on your feelings. That is not a Christian position.
            Proverbs 3:5-6
            Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
            And lean not on your own understanding;
            In all your ways acknowledge Him,
            And He shall direct your paths.

          • Brett Skidmore

            There are so many different Christian churches and different beliefs because men interpret the bible in so many different ways. Some say faith without works is dead, others that it is by faith alone that one is saved regardless of works. Who is right and who is wrong in their interpretation or understanding. How can one determine what is truth when logic and reason alone have only lead to confusion and so many different beliefs. I believe there are really only two ways to develop faith or belief in God – logic/reason being the first and most ineffective, and the second is developing the spiritual gift of discernment that does not rely on the learning of men.

          • MathCapitalist289

            “And lean not on your own understanding;”

            You are correct that you should not lean on their understanding, under the assumption that you cannot find the general solution to this:
            dy/dx = x^3(1-y),

            because it is a linear ordinary (and separable) equation, and is therefore easy for an eighteen year old to solve.

            Surely anyone who at least went to high school or has >/=average intelligence could solve it.

            The amazing thing about humans is that we can learn about laws of the universe at no cost besides that of a Wi-Fi connection.

          • iris

            Yep. God’s ways and wisdom are so far above our own, even if we have the indwelling Holy Spirit because of received faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, we’d better trust what He’s given us in His Word, and not go by our limited human understanding, circumstances, public opinion or fickle and fleeting emotion. Otherwise, even Christians will revert back to the time of the judges in the OT, which was when “everyone did what was right in their own eyes”. The cycle was that: They rebelled against God’s commandments, and He allowed them to face the consequences of their actions. They cried out to God for help and mercy. He, in His faithfulness and mercy, sent a judge, and they were delivered, but soon forgot about God again, and this was repeated many times.

            Western civilization is now in that same paradigm, although individuals still can know God, but our society is not crying out to God for help, partly because our post modern society tells us that there’s no difference between up and sideways, and no absolute truth. For my daily life and practice, 2+2 still equals 4, and God’s word is inspired and true. We cannot take His place or become Him. We are subject to Him, whether we realize it or not, whether we want to be or not. He is the sovereign creator, we are His creation. And until we surrender to Him, we suffer spiritually, and usually physically, whether we admit it to ourselves or not.

          • iris

            God’s Law was given through Moses, nevertheless, because of humanity’s sins, death reigned from Adam until Moses, as Paul said.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…we’d better trust what He’s given us in His Word….”

            gee, when you Christians aren’t arguing about different interpreations

          • Gay Veteran

            well, there was that business about not eating pork

          • MaxRockatansky33

            Eating shellfish is also a sin. Or mixing fabrics.

          • beezh

            For “each person to decide for himself / herself” is to do what is right in their own eyes. Biblical morality has decided this, and the Bible (God’s Word) is true and accurate. Homosexuality is not from God. I’d say it’s clear from these New Testament passages:

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11

            Romans 1:24-32

            1 Timothy 1:8-11

            2 Peter 2:6

            Jude 7

          • Brett Skidmore

            Paul, not the entire bible, condemns homosexuality – one man. Jude 7 is unclear and it’s debated what going after strange flesh refers to so really we only have Paul who makes any concrete remarks regarding homosexuality in the NT. In the Old Testament we only have a couple passages in the Law of Moses.

            It’s for each person to decide for himself / herself whether Paul was inspired when he made those statements. Not to beat a dead horse but was Paul inspired in ALL of his writings? Was he inspired when he stated that women must not speak in church? How do you know for certain Paul speaks the words of God? Religion comes from man and whether that man is inspired is always going to be a personal decision.

          • Paul Patriot

            Never allow one verse to dictate a doctrine. Scripture is CRYSTAL clear in its condemnation of homosexuality,
            Trying to justify Jude 7 as permissible to homosexuality will not work well for you on judgement day.

          • Gay Veteran

            Scripture is also CRYSTAL clear in its condemnation of eating pork

          • MaxRockatansky33

            Cars and computers are also not from your god.

          • MathCapitalist289

            Ad hominem fallacies are for only acceptable for monologues or retorts from those younger than seven years of age and conversations between cave dwellers.

            Do you see the problem with my statement. It is no different than calling someone Satan.

          • Gay Veteran

            don’t worry, just get back on your meds

        • MaxRockatansky33

          Most of AIDS cause comes from Africa- where they hump like a bunnies.

      • Gay Veteran

        “…Homosexuality cannot create a child….”

        neither can a newly married elderly couple or a couple who are infertile

    • Ray S.

      But Jesus did speak on the subject of marriage. In Matthew 19:4, “And He answered and said to them, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female,” and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” There is a truth here that the Lord shares with us about God’s standard for sexuality and marriage. You don’t have to agree with what Jesus says, no one is forcing you to. Most people these days don’t even believe God’s word is true or that there was even a real life Jesus who walked the earth.

      • Brett Skidmore

        Jesus was responding to a question a Pharisee had about marriage and in those days it was only between a man and a woman. I respect your interpretation of these scriptures that Jesus is saying marriage is ONLY between a man and a woman but he never says that nor does he specifically address the subject of homosexuality. I disagree with the conclusion / interpretation that Christ is defining sexuality and marriage in these verses, but as I said I respect your belief and interpretation :)

        • Gay Veteran

          what about all the polygamy in the Bible?

      • iris

        Yes, and yes, historians of the day (not Christians) agreed on the historicity of Jesus’ birth, that he died on a cross, and it was common knowledge, according to them, that He rose from the dead. This didn’t happen in secret, there were over 500 eye witnesses to His resurrection, people who spoke and ate with Him before He ascended back to heaven. The apostles, afraid for their lives before the Crucifixion, were laying their lives on the line after Pentecost, boldly proclaiming the Resurrection. Most of them did die for it. Why would anyone claim such a thing, knowing they would probably die for saying so, if it weren’t the truth? Because they had the love of God in their hearts, wanted their countrymen to have His salvation also, and knew it had happened, first hand. Also, the New Testament was written mere decades after Jesus’ death. The accounts weren’t written a hundred years later or more, but by people who had seen His miracles, seen Him resurrected, and all of the epistles line up, all of the accounts line up.

        • Brett Skidmore

          I love your faith and I share it in that I believe Jesus died for mine and your sins on the cross. However, you are relying on logic and reason to support these sacred beliefs. A logical foundation to ones faith, e.g. I believe Jesus died for me because there is physical evidence and eye witness accounts – I believe is a foundation of sand to one’s faith as logic and reason can always be disputed and argued away endlessly. Jesus says to Peter that Flesh and Blood had not revealed to him that he was Jesus the Son of the Living God but his Father in Heaven. I believe the flesh and blood refers to man’s learning founded in logic and reason. I can personally attest to the divinity of Christ not because someone successfully argued and convinced me that the Bible was true but because I feel it through my entire being. Thanks for sharing, I really do appreciate it.

          • iris

            Well, I’m glad that you have a personal faith in Jesus Christ, which is not based on logic, but logically, you’ve stated above that each person should decide what’s true or not, and that emotions are valid in making those decisions. Those statements would indicate, that although you think it hypocritical for a pastor to allow a woman to pray aloud or have short hair, and yet not accept a homosexual marriage, could apply to where your thinking is, as well. And if we are to judge by our own emotions, sense of morality or cultural norms, which would you say is worse, for a woman to pray aloud in church, or the heartbreak and frequent STDs which typically accompany homosexual behavior?

            I agree with you, Brett, there should be no hypocrisy or double standards when it comes to Scripture. I believe that all of it is true and inspired by God, partly from facts supplied by historians, archeology, and fulfilled prophecy, but much more because of the changes which have occurred in my heart, mind and life since I realized that Jesus is indeed God come in the flesh and that He died for my sins and rose again to save me, received Him in faith, and stepped into its obedience. I have a long way to go.

            I don’t believe Jesus Christ would now have us murder or mistreat practicing homosexuals. All people have needs and have great value. But I wouldn’t have felt comfortable with having my children exposed to it, and it concerns me greatly that our young grandchildren are inundated daily with it as being considered healthy, positive behavior. Only God can judge a person’s heart, and knows what they went through or why they made a decision. However, I believe that God has spoken clearly about its practice being something which is to be strictly avoided, because He loves everyone and knows how destructive it is. His Holy Spirit truly can empower a person to live according to His loving standards, when they trust and depend on Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

          • Brett Skidmore

            I think it is completely acceptable for a pastor to decide that homosexuality is wrong based on his understanding of the bible and yet allow women to speak in church and have short hair. Paul in the New Testament stated clearly that homosexuality is a sin. It is up to each individual to pray to know if his words are inspired of God. It may be possible that Paul got some things right and others wrong, that is all I have been trying to say in my posts. I’ve never heard of a Christian church that does not permit women to speak therefore one could argue that they therefore disagree with Paul and do not believe he was inspired when he made that statement. And if Paul got that wrong, isn’t it possible he made other mistakes as well? That should be the question everyone asks at all times when a man speaks or writes and claims to be inspired of God – men can be inspired in one moment and imperfect and human the next.

          • Gay Veteran

            your Bible couldn’t even get slavery right

          • woodstock

            What verse? Because if you’re leaving short troll-like comments all someone will do is click the drop-down menu, click block user, press enter.
            I just tried it and it takes like 3 seconds to block someone.

          • Paul Patriot

            No, there is FAR MORE than logic and reason to attest to the Truth that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is the most solid attestable event in history.

          • Paul Patriot

            Never allow “feelings” to determine Truth. They will fail you every time.

    • watchmannonthewall

      “For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; FOR IT DOES NOT SUBJECT ITSELF TO THE LAW OF GOD, for it is not even able to do: and those who are in the flesh CANNOT please God.” (Romans 8:5-8)

      Many of God’s people are just as confused about man picking up sticks on Sabbath and woman speaking in the Assembly as are you!

      Paul wrote, “For we KNOW the Law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh sold into bondage to sin.” (Romans 7:14) The spiritual Law 1st acknowledges God is the Creator and as such He has the Authority to tell His Creation who has authority in it and how His creatures, including those made in His image, are to act.

      This is stated by implication in the first commandment: “I AM the LORD your God who bought you out of the land of Egypt [a metaphor for bondage to sin] out of the house of slavery [to sin].” (Ex. 20:2) #’s 2 and 3 were one commandment before the Catholic Church split them. The Greatest Commandment is based on the first 4 commandments : ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.” (Deut. 6:5 and Mt. 22:37-40) “If you love Me, you WILL keep My commandments.” (Jn. 14:15)

      As to picking up sticks on the Sabbath, God said Israel was not to “pick up” manna on the Sabbath. (EX. 16:22-30) They were to “rest”. The man, who was aware of the events of Ex. 16, deliberately choose to go out and pick up stuff on the Sabbath though he had already been warned not to and by so doing showed his distain for God and His Word.

      As to women speaking in the Assembly, this is more involved. The Torah teaches God gave man authority over his wife, he is her head just as Messiah is the head of the man (Eph. 5:22-23 and 1 Cor. 11:3), and can nullify her vows only on the first day he learns of them. He also has the right to make the decision as to whom he will allow his daughter to marry.

      A married woman who is childless, whose husband dies, is to go back to her father who is to care for her. This is one reason her father was to receive a dowry from the prospective husband. Note how our culture makes fathers PAY for their daughter’s weddings contrary to God’s ways. This is a just brief review to show God’s Law is designed to ensure care and provision for women, as well as children, slaves, and the poor. God is all about caring for His entire Creation in an ORDERLY manner.

      Paul stated 3 times in 1 Cor. 34-35 a woman is not to speak in the Assemblies/Church. The bible editors messed up when they added the verse numbers. Verse 34 says twice women are not to to speak in church.
      Verse 35 should read, “But let them subject themselves [to their husband’s], just as the Law also says, and if they desire to learn anything [about God and His Word] let them ask their husbands at home; for it is [3rd x] improper for woman to speak in Church.”

      Most people reject Paul’s teaching on this matter, don’t they? Yet they love the doctrine HE DID NOT TEACH that “the Law was done away with”. But note specifically what Paul says in verse 37: “If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the LORD”S COMMANDMENT; but if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized [Either God does not KNOW him, or he is not to be recognized as a fellow citizen of the saints].”

      In 1 Tim. 2:12-14 Paul further explains why he said a woman is not to speak in the church: “But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise [religious] authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was NOT Adam who was deceived, but the woman being QUITE deceived, fell into transgression.”

      What exactly is Paul’s first argument against woman teaching men religious things? First, the order of Creation evidences that God made Adam and breathed His life into him. Gen. 5:1 tells us Adam was created in the likeness of God. Luke 3:38 says Adam was the son of God. Eve came from Adam. Adam came from God. Who is the head of whom?

      Spiritually, if a woman can have religious authority over a man, then a man can have religious authority over God. Patterns in scripture are given so we can understand God and His ways. Many religious men believe they do have authority over Him, at least until Judgement Day! If God didn’t grant a woman religious authority over her own husband, what in the world makes anyone think He would give a woman religious authority over ANOTHER woman’s husband?? This is a doctrine of demons!!

      Nowhere in scripture does God give a woman religious authority over a man, and the only time a woman had political authority over men was when the nation was being judged for sin. Jesus, the oldest son in His family, gave His mother over to John the apostle for him to care for her when He was on the cross. John wrote this! Mary was His responsibility. Daughters looking after parents is not biblical!! Sons are to do so!

      What is Paul’s second argument? it was that Eve was “quite deceived” but Adam made a deliberate choice. Women are more easily deceived than are men. This also is spiritual. Men are more easily deceived than is God. God can’t be deceived but the lesson is that what occurs in the physical also often portrays a spiritual application. Paul said that which is natural occurs first, then that which is spiritual.

      Men just follow women into deception because they want something from them!!

      My personal opinion is that Adam was deceived into thinking he could “save” Eve by eating what she ate. Perhaps God would not let him die. Jesus is further proof He would! Adam could have saved Eve by becoming her atoning sacrifice, just like Jesus, and death would not have been able to hold him since he had never sinned. Not sinning even once is exactly the reason death could not hold Yeshua, who is the second Adam. Yeshua made the right choice. Adam made the wrong one. Spiritually, we are all women who eat the wrong things until the Spirit comes to give us a new life in Messiah! Then we have to learn how to eat “clean”, spiritually and physically, according to God’s Commandments!

      • Brett Skidmore

        Thanks for the comments!

      • MathCapitalist289

        O, silly paleoconservative––excuse me, closet communist cavemen, you never cease to amuse me.

        Such fallacious circular reasoning is unheard of in this civilized, technologically advanced world. Of course, as the disparity between us wealthy innovators/contributors to intellection and the superstitious individuals (who seek to expunge the First Amendment) widens, those with superstition will resort to childish scapegoats, such as globalization, rich people, gay people, apparently women, and even poor people, even though they themselves are fossilized plebeians usually receive a hefty check from Social Security (meaning us patricians).

        Why talk of a tiny speck of arid desert, when we could colonize space? Why should we feel beholden to others, when we can serve them through self interest? Why pursue mediocrity, when we can achieve supremacy over nature itself? Why condemn money, when we can create it?

        The author mentioned something about television on the internet.

        I hope not a trillionth of cent from the government went into the Creation “Museum” that I saw advertised through propaganda. If hedge funds cannot advertise on air because they might mislead investors, should the indoctrination of children should be labeled as misleading advertising. Both should be allowed to play ads, but the “Museum” should not mix pseudoscience with known facts. It corrupted the curiosity of children, except for the gifted or those attuned to science.

        • guppy

          I think the creation museum teaches Eve ate an apple or similar fruit, as if they would know.

        • Paul Patriot

          Lol! Your rambling diatribe is a bunch of nonsensical illogic.

          You simply do not like what watchman typed, and your rebellious spirit cannot accept Truth.

          This really got me laughing:

          “……in this civilized, technologically advanced world”

          We are no more civilized than people centuries ago, with 3000+ babies being murdered each day, and with all our the technological advances, we still cannot find a resolution for vile, depraved human nature, which lies, cheats, and murders its own.

          No, your “civilized, technologically advanced world”
          Cannot solve the real problem plaguing human kind, which is SIN, and the Lord Jesus Christ is the only answer.

      • Paul Patriot

        Thanks for these comments, politically incorrect as they are in this post modern era of darkness.

        The libs are beside themselves.😀

        • watchmannonthewall

          Unfortunately, some of those I worship with reject Paul’s comments also and follow after Jewish fables/myths and commandments of men which result in a departure from “the Truth”. (Titus 1:5-14)

          Amazing to me how many of God’s people, let alone the lost, think they have the right to accept or reject principles and instruction the Father gave His family. Even Jesus said he only speaks what the Father has given Him to say.” (Jn. 12:50)

          I just wonder if those who find me politically incorrect also let their children ignore their instruction the same way they ignore God’s. He said, “I, the LORD, do not change.” (Mal. 3:6) Isn’t that the core of the issue Michel raises in his article? The Father may not change but mankind’s values change on a whim!

    • C R Lord

      Jesus did speak on the subject. He is God incarnate or God come in human flesh. As God he condemns all sin including the immoral lust of lesbianism, homosexuality, bi-sexual behavior and every other form of deviancy from the intended purpose of God which is “only in a marriage between heterosexual male and female couples.” Outside of this heterosexual marriage all sexual behavior is sin.

      Here is something else you need to consider. “ALL SCRIPTURE” is given by inspiration of God – 2 Timothy 3:16. Therefore no scripture is in error and the words of Paul are just as inspired as the words of any other writer of scripture and the words of Jesus Christ as well. The Bible doesn’t allow for variations of scriptural accuracy.

      Then there is something else you are gravely mistaken on as are so many who wish to subvert the teachings of scripture through picking out scripture yet being ignorant of the two covenants in the Old and New Testaments. The laws you speak of concerning sticks on the Sabbath and etc. were specifically given to the Hebrew Nation under Moses. They are referred to as “the Law of Moses” in the Bible. They were given for those who were under that law at that time in Israel’s history.

      The New Covenant in Christ is totally different and the Bible is clear that the “Law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.” That speaks of the Ten Commandments which clearly define sin. Through understanding our sin we will be drawn to the Savior, Jesus Christ.

      You are right about one thing. You just worded it wrong. You said; “It’s just up to the individual to decide if they ‘feel’ it is of God or not to condemn or accept it.” What you should have said is that it is up to the individual to decide whether to rebel against the commandments of God or reject them. Feelings are not a good barometer of what is truth and what is not. They tend to rise or fall multiple times daily and even hourly and feelings cannot be trusted. That is why the Bible says all true believers walk by faith. Faith negates feeling and we continue to walk with God whether we feel like it or not. Jeremiah stated; “The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked; who can know it?” God demands obedience to his words and the Holy Spirit teaches believers what the word of God says and means to guide them through their lives. Apart from the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit all mankind would be clueless about anything having to do with God or the scriptures.

      • Gay Veteran

        “…only in a marriage between heterosexual male and female couples….”

        you mean polygamy, right?

        • C R Lord

          Polygamy is wicked and a violation of God’s word. One man and one woman for life is God’s intended purpose as written in Genesis 2:24 and 25. Notice the word “wife” – not wives. There were kings in the Bible who had many wives and concubines but there is nothing that would indicate that God approved of that.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…So are we all just certain that homosexuality is a sin?….”

      what, and deny the Bible thumpers here the opportunity to clutch their pearls and head on over to the fainting couch

  • Fr Agathon

    It is too late. Most “Christians” are lukewarm and settled in their couch living a Christianity built upon their own hypocrisy: a secularized religion which has nothing to do with Christ.

  • joanofark06

    And there’s a ad for a game above, on this page, called “the most sexiest game ever mad, and to “play now for free”, with a pic of an “almost nude” woman on it….gee thanks endofamericandream!! Show more sin for the perverts!!

    • Seriously! This site has oodles of pervy pics for ads like games, as well as the clickbait titles like “You’ll never believe what the cameraman saw”, “All the guys’ jaws dropped when she did THIS”, and so on, with smutty pics of near-nood* women.

      Some “Christian” site!

      (*Yes, pardon the spelling.)

      • Paul Patriot

        This comment is 100% valid and correct, and I appreciate you very much for posting that.

        Awaiting a response from author of the site.

    • Paul Patriot

      Yeah, and my comments criticizing this and the cleavage ads, are being blocked.

    • guppy

      You can see a lot more Christian sin if you watch a Travel Channel show about Papua New Guinea or many other countries.
      I think he’d have to be good at computers to have more control over the ads.

  • Skywatcher57

    I believe the real issue hear is the mislabelling of “Christians”. These so-called “evangelical christians” are NOT biblical Christians; they’re apostate church-goers. There is a huge difference. These people should be labelled “apostate” and “reprobate” as they truly are. A true Christian is a follower of Christ, one who practices His teachings to the very best of their ability, enabled by the power of the Holy Spirit. These people (in this story) clearly are not possessed with the H.S. or the blessed hope. They are on the side of Sodom and Gommorrah, living for the flesh and not for Christ; death and destruction is their future. Their earthly pleasures are temporary; their “reward” for the same is eternal. Something to really think about. Do we want to be held accountable as Bible believers for not reaching out to extend God’s grace to these lost souls, who bare the name of Christ in vain? They are the “sick” that Christ referred to when He said the healthy do not need a physicianm but they who are sick. Mt. 9: 12 He says something in the next verse we need to pay particular attention to:

    “But you go and learn what that means.”

    We cannot and dare not cherry pick the Scriptures; we believe and receive it all or none at all. We don’t put our own spin on the interpretation of them either; they interpret themselves. We would be wise to keep Scripture in context, using sound reasoning, deduction skills, hermaneutics, and logic. To not use these tools, is to be a fool, and one who believes with “blind faith”, as many of us have been accused by the unbelieving for many years.

    God’s Word declares, “When pride comes, then comes shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.” Prov. 11: 2.

    Is it coincidental or divinely appointed that the LGBT gang call themselves a “pride” movement? They will stand before Jesus Christ, the Righteous Judge on that day, naked and ashamed and condemned. Then, we and they will see what happens to that ungodly pride, but it will be too late for them.

    The next verse says, “The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perversenesss of transgressors shall destroy them.”

    Prov. 16: 18 clearly sums up the people of this persuasion:

    “Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.”

    God’s Word draws a definitive line between righteousness and ungodliness; let’s make good and sure we’re supporting the right camp, and are also in the right camp! There is no way that homosexuality can be defended; God hates the sin, but He loves the sinner, and that’s why He has offered a way of escape. It’s a good thing that He loved us first, (Rom. 5: 8) or we would none of us, ever reach out to Him. However, as children of the light, we are obligated to reach out to and to warn those who are still abiding in darkness. The people in this story need the true light of the gospel so desperately but their leadership will lead them into the ditch right along with themselves…as Christ said!

    • iris

      Thanks, and I agree with everything you’ve said, except that there are still pastors out there who are teaching the truth in love. Those churches can be difficult to find depending on where one lives, but they’re worth hunting for. If one can’t find a gospel centered, whole Bible believing church in their locale, there are many on the internet, and plenty of great sermons to listen to for free. God bless.

    • Gay Veteran

      amazing how some of you Christians claim to be the TRUE Christians and then turn around and argue among yourselves about interpretations of the Bible

      • Skywatcher57

        I’m not aware that I was arguing with anyone. However, Christ has declared that there are many who believe they are Christians but they really aren’t:

        “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Mt. 7: 21-23.

        Jesus made it very clear that to become a Christian, one must be “born again”, John 3: 5-7. They must be born of and indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Those who choose to live for self and their fleshly desires are not Christians. Real Christians live for Christ, seeking to bring honor and glory to Him, thereby humbling themselves.

        When born again Christians attempt to show the love of Christ to many others who “believe” they are Christians, frustration sets in and emotions can become heated rather quickly. Then again, on sites such as these, there are many trolls and without being able to see whom we are speaking to, whatever is said may be a mere waste of time, as the truth (Christ, Jn. 14: 6) falls upon deaf and deceived ears.

        Then again, we must never EVER forget the enemy of the soul, whose job it is to accuse the brethren and to gender strifes between them and others. If he can take something nice and turn it into a shouting match, he loves to do it, and relishes in the horrible outcomes.

        So you see, Mr. Veteran, while comparing apples to oranges in the theology world, and being human, error and emotion can quite easily enter into the mix and things are said that never should’ve been. Many times, we Christians try to reach out to others, with love, grace, and mercy, only to find that we’ve been played by trolls and others who really have no interest at all. That too, gets pretty frustrating, but at the same time, we trust that God will take what we have said and use it to minister to another reader who is in need of the truth.
        That leads me to ask you, why are you on this site? I don’t see any profession of faith coming from you, or did I miss it somewhere along the way? I don’t have the time to read all the comments on this site or many others, so I may have missed your profession of faith. From what you said, “…some of you Christians…” would imply you’re not of the household of faith yet. Is that so?

        • Gay Veteran

          “I’m not aware that I was arguing with anyone. However, Christ has
          declared that there are many who believe they are Christians but they
          really aren’t….”

          and that is not for you to decide

          I usually read all of Michael’s articles, and I knew the Bible quoting parrots would arrive after reading this article

        • Gay Veteran

          why am I on this site?
          because the author usually writes some very interesting articles. unfortunately this is not one of them

          • The Real Farmer

            The real reason he is here is because it’s all he has. LOL, no life. He likes to insult others to make himself feel better about his worthless existence.

  • Dusty Bottoms

    At the risk of sounding simplistic it’s merely due to time and space available. The Church severely dropped the ball back in the 70s when the Homosexual Movement took root due to a complete lack of understanding of what causes it and the desire of most to have someone to look down upon, to scapegoat, and blame for the shortcomings of religious institutions then and even now. In short, a complete lack of understanding and practice of our own philosophy.

    Christianity has been “marketed” out of its original meaning and space mainly due to the transition of churches from holy places to a “butts-in-the-pew” competitive marketplace. The only way to get large numbers of people into church is to tell them what they want to hear. This increases the “take” every Sunday and allows ministers to flaunt their marketing skills by making showcases out of their church buildings and wallets. Religion has always been Man’s outreach to God. God gave His outreach through His Son and Jesus/Yeshua was uncompromising in His accounting of the Torah in the lives of those who CHOSE to follow Him. He was and is The Word. This, however, is counterproductive to a mass marketing of a “brand” which is what the World is all about. If Christ were physically visible today “leading His flock” He would have a very small following indeed.

    Homosexuals went from being stoned in the OT to simply being excluded from church worship and official gatherings of the truly devout who were actually TRYING to lead God-directed lives. What good does it do to have a devout person sitting next to one that openly flaunts their base instincts in worship services? This change in the treatment of homosexuals is probably accounted for mainly due to the existence of civil laws vs. the only Law around in Moses’ time which was God’s and the fact there was so many more people around at the beginning of the Church age. People without guidance are going to follow their own instincts which is what the Torah leads us away from – our worst instincts.

    • Skywatcher57

      A HUGE AMEN!!! Very well said! One line in particular, resonated very strongly with me, “If Christ were physically visible today “leading His flock” He would have a very small following indeed.” The Church needs to repent, collectively and individually, otherwise Mt. 7: 21-23 will gravely apply. Blessings!

      • Dusty Bottoms

        Thanks. At my age, though, 60, that’s one of the most troubling passages for me when I look at my life, now and past. I don’t go to any church as I’m overwhelmed by the insistence of “fitting in”. The last thing I want to be accused of when I meet our Maker is blasphemy. Luckily, as a rancher, I have one of the most impressive cathedrals ever to do my worshiping in – the West Texas skies.

        • Skywatcher57

          Yes, Dusty, you and I, and others who live in rural areas are so blessed because we can meet with God in the holiness of His creation. We readily find Him there because no matter where we go or are, we take Him with us, as He resides within us! I will admit though, I crave good and solid Christian fellowship, and the singing of praise and worship hymns and choruses as a congregation. To hear the swelling, ebb, and flow of a beautiful electric or pipe organ blasting out the praises of our Lord is something that I miss too. If we could have that without some of the “Christians”, how nice it would be! I don’t have much in common with church-goers (apostates), but I have much in common with Bible-believing/practicing Christians, but that comes with a price as I’ve learned. I will share more on that below…

          If one has never had those things, they don’t really know what they’re missing. I’m blessed, in that I can play those same songs on whatever keyboard I choose to use at home.

          To be able to go out on my park-like property and to give God thanks for all the beautiful shrubs, plants, trees, etc., is such a wonderful blessing. To hear the birds singing in the cathedral of the green canopy is another added blessing. To see them flit from tree-to-tree, from shrub to shrub and from birdhouse to trees, as they feed their young families is plenty to give Father thanks and praise for! HE is so good to us.

          Having said all that, it would still be nice to have a church close by where solid Bible doctrine is preached, without the self-righteous and judgmental attitudes of the congregations. That’s not to be found here; I too, don’t fit in, because I take my Christianity very seriously.
          I find iI fit in perfectly while strolling through the forest or on the lake or stream as I fish, drinking in all the sights and smells that He has prepared just for ME, in THAT moment in time! Yes, I hear you! We are so blessed, and those who live in cities and suburbs are missing out on so much if they are not near a park. Sixty is not that old; I’m behind you by a couple of years, so get out there as much as you can! Please don’t let your body dictate to you what you can do, yet, allow it to remind us how grateful we will be once we have our brand new extreme make-over by Jesus! Blessings!

          • Dusty Bottoms

            My son and his family go to one of those “Rock and Roll” churches in town. Lord I feel lost in there and wonder where I went wrong! As a former Lutheran I sorely miss “the boys” – Bach, Brahms, Beethoven, Mendelssohn, Chopin. God must have really had a ball inspiring those guys as their names appear in just about every hymnal I’ve ever opened. Their music was truly made in Heaven!

            Don’t worry about me not getting out there, though. There’s miles of fences I have yet to put up, major renovations on the ranch house, machinery to fix & etc. The only thing that keeps me away from it is a soon-to-be second grader of our daughter’s that lights our lives up. Another one of the many blessings we have. Enjoy them while you can! The Worlds getting more “interesting” by the day.

          • Skywatcher57

            It truly is getting interesting in the world today! Satan may be in the saddle, but God is still on His throne!

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Having said all that, it would still be nice to have a church close by where solid Bible doctrine is preached….”

            solid Bible doctrine???
            put 10 Christians in a room with 1 Bible verse and you’ll get 11 different interpretations

          • Skywatcher57

            Golly Gee, Sarge! Don’t suppose it’s the result of the “blind leading the blind”? This only happens when the biblically illiterate fail to take all the Scriptures into consideration on any given topic, keeping them in context as they do. Your comment solidly confirms what I had said…many so-called “christians” are nothing of the sort; they’re merely pew warmers, who don’t spend ten minutes a week studying God’s Word or in prayer. Then when they find themselves in a discussion of the same, they don’t know a speck of what they’re talking about.

            Regardless, there is NO Scriptural support for the gay lifestyle, but much is said against it. God loves the gays but He hates the sin, commanding repentance and obedience to Himself and not the flesh and its vile desires.

            Christ said many times, “If you love me, you WILL keep my commandments.” (Emphasis mine). Seeing that He is the Word, Jn. 1: 1, He cannot go against Himself, and that includes the Law of Moses where we lear implicitly that the gay lifestyle is an abomination to God. That means He detests, deplores, and despises it, as shown by His cleansing of Sodom and Gomorrah, although that was only part of the reason for His destroying the people there. Christ came to fulfill the Law, therefore, He cannot go against it.

            I expect you’ll dispute this, but I’ll only come back with Scripture to support my position. At that point, your argument will be with God and not with me. For the record, I found out a few months ago that I have a daughter who is lesbian, and that breaks my heart.

            We had “THE talk” and I lovingly told her to never expect me to give her away to another woman or to bless her union if there ever is one. I cannot go against God’s Word, and she understood, and we are still very close. I love her as my daughter, but I cannot and will not show my approval or blessing upon her sinful lifestyle because God cannot. She knows she is lost and if she dies today or tomorrow, she will go to Hell and ultimately to the lake of fire for all eternity. I’m praying that the Holy Spirit will intervene in her life and turn her around. That’s His will and He is able, but He will not force Himself upon her. He will give her the choice and every second of every day is a chance to repent and to choose life rather than eternal death (separation from God). In the meantime, my heart’s door is wide open and my ears are open to her and any ensuing discussion when she has any questions. There’s nothing any more powerful than the love of God, and I don’t judge her, but love her all the more. Her soul is more precious to God than it is to me, and I will not say or do anything to cast her away. In God’s sight, we are all sinners, in need of the love, forgiveness, and saving power of the Savior! This comes only as a result of our repenting of our sins and running away from them, and not embracing them.

          • Gay Veteran

            “…as shown by His cleansing of Sodom and Gomorrah….”

            ancient man could not explain natural phenomena thus they used “god” to explain it

            btw, why does your “god” NEVER regenerate amputated limbs?

          • Skywatcher57

            God does that all the time; haven’t you noticed? He has given man the knowledge and wherewithal to invent prosthesis! Sometimes, He actually does provide missing limbs and digits, and ofttimes, He also resurrects the dead to life, but it never makes the mainstream news. For those times that He doesn’t heal as we’d like Him to, we trust Him to know what He is doing, what He is not doing, and the reasons for such outcomes. I’ll ask you a question, why didn’t God remove Paul’s “thorn in the flesh”? I know the answer, do you?

          • Gay Veteran

            “…He actually does provide missing limbs and digits….”

            incredible assertion with NO evidence

          • Dusty Bottoms

            So let’s throw the baby out with the bath water?

    • Gay Veteran

      What good does it do to have a devout person sitting next to one that openly flaunts their divorce in worship services?

      • Dusty Bottoms

        Then and now. This was the concern when Paul wrote his letter regarding this issue. I’m sure there were others.
        Did you read ALL of my post or just the part that concerned you?

  • tz1

    before 1930, contraception was considered a grave sin. And that held till the 1960’s. Now contraception in marriage is praised, but read Catholic Humanae Vitae for the prophecy.
    Then we got no fault divorce. The church applauded again.
    Abortion is mostly ignored.

    So this temporary, sterile institution we call Christian Marriage is to be denied to gays?
    Having twice profaned something sacred, the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony, they wish to hold the line?
    Go back to when Marriage was fruitful and till death do you part, then complain.

    • Dusty Bottoms

      This whole discussion on marriage caused an interesting tidbit regarding the history of marriage licenses to be dredged up. As I understand such a “license” came about due to purely racial prejudices in, I think, frontier Illinois or maybe Iowa. Men were marrying Native American women and they wanted to put a stop to such “nonsense” and making N.A. people seemingly acceptable in white society. Before that it was strictly a religious ceremony and institution, a sacrament that is employed for our own spiritual edification and foundation of the family. Today the only reason the government is still involved in it is strictly due to tax revenues.

      • tz1

        I think it was Virginia with its anti-miscegany law, but you are right that licenses were to block interracial marriage.

  • MathCapitalist289

    The word, for those not fluent in English, is actually offshoring. One need not attain a Ph.D in economics to know that.

    Now paleoconservative closet communists would not understand such seemingly arcane concepts such as. . . capitalism. Conservatism has really become a joke for us enlightened capitalists, for it has succumbed to ultranationalist, anticompetitive, and protectionist garbage-bin ideology. Why are billionaires accused of being liberals? They simply have not heard of or misunderstand libertarianism.

    When I have the A.I. resources, profit margins will soar, at least for productive people. Lazy Americans just want to blame it on the rich, or Indian/Chinese/foreign people. We really have reached a pinnacle–an inverted one of mediocrity. Imagine a cubic function y=x^3 on a Cartesian plane. Look at how one side tends to ∞ and and the other to -∞. We are going to -∞, so long as we play the blame game. Liberals can call it racism; they may or may not be correct. However, calling out New Conservatism as being Communism would be correct.

    One must wonder why the conservatives are waning; defectors have not heard of libertarianism, which allows the 1st, 2nd, etc. amendments, gay marriage, and also embraces market capitalism and, yes, usury.

    I have nothing against people who put in the effort to learn English make such blunders, but I do have disdain for those who were not only exposed to it, but learned in school. Indian children spend over 500 hours per year on voluntary academic work, whereas Americans spend less than half that; its pathetic, really.

  • Joel W

    “How in the world did we get to the point where nearly half of all evangelicals born since 1964 have abandoned what the Word of God says about marriage?”

    Simple answer. The vast majority of church leaders are charlatans, frauds and/or other various wolves in sheep’s clothing, purposely leading the congregation astray.

  • This is equivalent to saying, more evangelicals support murder, kidnapping, and rape. After all, all four are capital criminals according to the Only One with the authority to determine what constitutes a capital crime.

    This is invariably what comes from contemporary Christianity’s rejection of Yahweh’s moral law as society’s standard under the New Covenant, despite a plethora of New Testament Scriptures such as the following:

    “…truth [is] in the law.” (Romans 2:20)

    “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” (Romans 3:31)

    “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” (Romans 7:12)

    “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.” (1 Corinthians 7:19)

    “But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully.” (1 Timothy 1:8)

    “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.” (1 John 2:3)

    “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.” (1 John 5:2)

    “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” (1 John 5:3)

    For more on how Yahweh’s immutable moral law applies and should be implemented today, see free online book “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/law-kingdomFrame.html.

  • DJohn1

    The problem I see with all of this is simple. When someone violates the church and brings unclean things in then God is likely to step in and he is not likely to be forgiving to them if it is the Holy Spirit in the church.
    In today’s world I suspect a prime directive is in place and no gods are allowed in. The prime directive was a fictional thing from TV but I suspect it might be in effect here right now. Especially considering the tech we have today.
    If that is the case then they can do what they want and nothing will happen.
    Jesus Christ is allowed in and I doubt that he is happy with his ministers right now.
    It is time to choose whether these ministers represent Christ or the Devil.
    Whether it is real or a fiction to enable ministers to make money.
    If the descriptions in the Bible are true then the Holy Spirit is likely to dwell in the church. Unlike Jesus, the Holy Spirit appears to be a god that moves on the Earth and kills when insulted by unclean objects within the church.
    Several sons of one priest were killed in the old testament because they were drunk in the temple. The only safety is not to be caught unclean within the temples of God.
    What makes this all critical is we have the ability to destroy the planet with the number of nuclear missiles currently available. So if Jesus is going to return it is going to have to be fairly soon. We are like a bunch of children in a small room and everyone has rifles and pistols loaded. And like children we squabble. Will the guns be brought forth and fired into the crowd?
    Will the Earth become a radioactive ruin? Or will Christ return to lead the world for a thousand years while the devil is cast into a lake of fire?
    My own suggestion would be for these homosexuals to either convert or stay away from any place where the Holy Spirit dwells. Stop doing what is unclean before the Lord. Sooner or later the Lord Jesus will return according to Revelations. Might even happen in my lifespan.
    Historically, not likely but it could happen.
    We are very close to another world war if we are not careful.
    The perversions are the actions of people that do not believe.
    If they did believe then none of this would be happening.

  • C R Lord

    Homosexuality is not an act of love but of lust according to the scriptures. God allows it because he has given people the choice to obey him or rebel against him.

    As for your man who is lonely. Celibacy is a choice. God has said it is not good for a man to be alone. That is why he gave Adam a woman for his companion. Some men choose to be celibate as a dedication to God. Who are you to say this man is lonely. Perhaps he finds joy in his friends and acquaintance within his sphere of life and that is enough for him. Has he complained to you about loneliness? If not, then you assume what you do not know. If he is lonely he can marry. God will bring someone into his life in answer to prayer that will be a wonderful lifetime companion for him.

    • Gay Veteran

      “Homosexuality is not an act of love but of lust according to the scriptures….”

      well the Bible couldn’t even get slavery right, so spare us the moral lectures

      “… If he is lonely he can marry. God will bring someone into his life in answer to prayer that will be a wonderful lifetime companion for him.”

      and back in the day if a black man wanted to marry a white woman you would say that God will bring a black woman into his life in answer to prayer that will be a wonderful lifetime companion for him

      • C R Lord

        Try all you wish you cannot justify your chosen sexual behavior which is clearly called “abomination, burning in lust and vile affections” in scripture. You seek to interpret what you cannot understand. Until you repent of this sin and all other sin in your life and put your faith in Jesus Christ to deliver you and save you and forgive you; you will forever be clueless about the scriptures. I Corinthians 2:14

        God is infinite and we are finite. True understanding of scripture is totally impossible apart from salvation and God’s divine revelation to those who put their trust in him. If you refuse to humble yourself in the presence of God and repent you have only yourself to blame when the hammer of his just wrath come upon you.

        Is it worthwhile to risk eternal damnation for a few years of sexual pleasure and satisfaction? You must decide before you die. After death there is no reconciliation with God possible.

  • Zoe

    Mike said “I honestly don’t know how this is possible.” Are you kidding? This is made possible because professing Christians have sent their children into the belly of the beast for a godless education. For years children from Christian families have been taught to deny the faith of their parents and imbrace the state religion of evolution. Taught that there is no God and you need to love yourself and sexuality needs to be expressed and explored anyway you feel like it. Christians have no one to blame if their offspring imbraces homosexuality and transgenderism you sent them to secular school to be trained up in the way they should go and when they are old they will not depart from it. Instead of bringing them up in the fear and admonition of the LORD. What did you think would happen? What you practice is what you will do.

  • Gay Veteran

    “…On the other hand, children all over the country are being banned…gathering for group prayer….”

    got ANY proof of that?

    • MARK

      Aids to the rescue

      • MaxRockatansky33

        You mean drug users prostitutes and most of straight?

      • Gay Veteran

        “…On the other hand, children all over the country are being banned…gathering for group prayer….”

        AGAIN: got ANY proof of that?

        and AIDS? gee, homosexuality is as old as man, but you think your “god” only created AIDS in the mid 1970s? what happened, was he too busy to do that from the start?

  • Gay Veteran

    well you hets certainly enjoy it

  • MaxRockatansky33

    So stop doing this with your wife.

  • MaxRockatansky33

    Trump is a Saudi Puppet.

  • Gay Veteran

    “…Anyone that will not conform will be barred from buying and selling, and eventually put to death….”

    and there you have it, the theocrat drooling over obtaining the power to kill others (in the name of Jesus, of course!)

    • The Real Farmer

      As usual you think you are king big schieit.

    • The Real Farmer

      Lay off the mushrooms fool, listen to yourself.

    • kartune

      I was actually trying to help you. I know whats coming. Ive been watching it develop. And now, its almost here. And those laws im talking about? they will be calling for My head as well. IM not the one that WANTS those laws.

  • C R Lord

    Answered this previously.