79 percent of evangelicals believe ‘violence across the Middle East is a sign that the end times are nearer’

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Death On A Pale Horse - Public DomainIs the return of Jesus Christ getting closer? According to a survey conducted by the Brookings Institute’s Center for Middle East Policy entitled “American Attitudes Toward The Middle East And Israel“, 79 percent of all evangelical Christians in America believe that “the unfolding violence across the Middle East is a sign that the end times are nearer”. In addition, the survey also discovered that evangelical Christians are also far more likely to be pro-Israel than the population as a whole, and most of them believe that Israel will control more territory than it currently possesses before Jesus comes back. Many “secular” Americans may find this strange, but evangelical Christians really do view everything that is going on in the Middle East through the lens of Bible prophecy. The vast majority of evangelicals truly believe that Jesus is actually coming back to our world, and most of them are fully convinced that Israel is going to play a leading role in the events of the last days.


Before I get to more of the survey results, I should disclose that I am a pro-Israel evangelical Christian that believes that the return of Jesus Christ will happen within my lifetime. So this survey was very interested in finding out what people like me think. With that in mind, here are more of the findings with my comments in italics after each point…

-Benjamin Netanyahu (16 percent) is the world leader that evangelicals admire most, followed by Ronald Reagan (11 percent) and Barack Obama (10 percent).

Comments: It should be no surprise that many evangelicals admire Benjamin Netanyahu more than any U.S. politician. But how did Barack Obama get 10 percent? Have 10 percent of all evangelical Christians in America gone completely insane?

39 percent of evangelicals say that Israel has too little influence on U.S. politics, while 23 percent say that Israel has too much influence on U.S. politics.

Comments: These numbers are much different than for the population as a whole. Overall, the survey found that 37 percent of all Americans believe that Israel has too much influence on U.S. politics, and only 18 percent of all Americans believe that Israel has too little influence on U.S. politics.

55 percent of evangelicals say that “a candidate’s position on Israel matters a lot to them” when deciding who to vote for.

Comments: I know that this is true for me. One of the very first things that I look for when evaluating any candidate is their position on Israel. If I find out that a candidate is anti-Israel, I completely rule out casting a vote for that candidate. Unfortunately, that means that there are hardly any politicians that I can actually vote for.

81 percent of evangelicals believe that Jesus will return to this planet.

Comments: So what are the other 19 percent thinking? Haven’t they read the end of the book? The Bible tells us over and over that Jesus is coming back. Sadly, I believe that this is just part of a larger trend. The church in America is increasingly moving away from interpreting the Bible literally, and that is a very bad thing.

75 percent of evangelicals believe that “things need to happen in Israel before Christ returns”.

Comments: This is very consistent with what the Bible says. The Bible indicates that the nation of Israel will play a starring role in the last days, and what we have seen so far is just the beginning.

63 percent of evangelicals believe that “for the rapture or Second Coming to occur it is essential for current-
day Israel to include all the land they believe was promised to Biblical Israel in the Old Testament”.

I definitely agree that Israel will end up possessing more land than it does right now. But I think that the wording of this question probably threw a lot of believers off. Were they referring to a pre-Tribulation rapture, a mid-Tribulation rapture, a pre-Wrath rapture or a rapture that comes at the end of the Tribulation?

Needless to say, these survey numbers are really surprising a lot of people – especially those that happen to be on the left end of the political spectrum. For instance, just consider the following comments from Politico editor Susan Glasser

These numbers are very striking on the end of days theology that these respondents claim motivate them,” Politico editor Susan Glasser said during a panel discussion after the release of the survey at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

“Some of these numbers are really stark,” she added. “I mean, the percentage of American Evangelicals, according to your survey, who believe the end of times is nigh, is kind of eye popping, at least for secular America or blue America.”

And I am sure that some of these statistics are going to provoke some very strong reactions from my regular readers as well.

You have seen what I think, so now it is your turn.

What is your response to the numbers that you have just seen? Please feel free to join the discussion by posting a comment below…

  • GetReal4U2

    REPENT…for the kingdom of God is near…may God Bless all those who read this site…

  • Kent Harris

    I will only say that it will not be limited to Israel alone. The Book of Revelation and what Jesus said in the Gospels it clearly indicates that The Great Tribulation will be a worldwide phenomena and not just the Middle East. Take the worst events in human history like the holocaust, the Black Plague, World Wars and the worst natural disaster and multiply it by a thousand fold and you have the End Times.

    • JF

      Israel is the geographic center of Bible prophecy. Of course, the entire planet is going to see times never before imagined.

      • Gay Veteran

        “Israel is the geographic center of Bible prophecy….”

        well DUH, of course it is, the people who wrote the bible knew nothing about North America, South America, Australia, etc.

      • Gandi007

        The Anti-Christ In ”Israel” will declare himself god so many diluted misguided ‘Christians’ donate there hard earned money to the ”rebuilding” the Temple in Jerusalem (Salem) where the Anti-Christ will declare himself God no true Christian would support Evil or assist those who do the Bible tells to shun wickedness and protect the meek


          Jerusalem means the ‘city of peace’. There are presently 160,000 Chrisrians
          living in Israel. The Christians since 1967 have been visiting their holy sites
          and churches unlike when it was occupied by Jordan for 19 yrs. in fact
          the Christians have and still building Churches in Tel-Aviv. How many
          other Muslim country does a Christian have the same rights as in Israel.

  • Paul Patriot

    I would not base end time prophetic observations on people’s responses to a survey. We as humans live in a tiny sliver of time and often can be led to think that the time we are living in has to be the end.

    I agree , the signs are their and the stage is being set with a rapid convergence of events, and I think the rapture can occur any moment, I am just cautious to base what may be happening on people’s opinions.

  • Gay Veteran

    I fixed your sentence: I definitely agree that Israel will end up STEALING more land than it does right now.

  • Gay Veteran

    heh, will it be near the Shemitah like the last predicted economic collapse?

    • Jim Davis

      Those blood moons certainly fizzled, disappointing John Hagee-following loons everywhere.

      • Gay Veteran

        there’s always next year….or the next….or the next…..ROFLOL

  • FollowDaMoney

    Everyday we move one step closer to Christ’s return for his bride. Violence is one of the many signs that Jesus gave us to foreshadow the rapture. Look up for our time is short.

    • afchief

      And the days of Lot which was open homosexuality.

      • FollowDaMoney

        they also enjoyed animals.

      • Gay Veteran

        don’t you have a street corner to pray loudly at?

        • afchief

          Your pampers must be full!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            so is your mouth

          • Taussig

            is that your boyfriend on your avatar?

    • Gay Veteran

      we’ve had violence since the dawn of time

      • FollowDaMoney

        Cain Able and a rock.

  • Michael

    “But how did Barack Obama get 10 percent? Have 10 percent of all evangelical Christians in America gone completely insane?”

    “So what are the other 19 percent thinking? Haven’t they read the end of the book?”

    Short answer: “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (NKJV)

    Years ago when I first got involved with sharing the Gospel, a common response was, well, I’m not a Jew or a Muhammadan so I MUST be a Christian. Apparently that attitude is still out there.

    • watchmannonthewall

      I have to say amen regarding the Deception! But really, what is the deception?
      The deception began in the 1st century as Paul, James, John, Jude and Peter all wrote warning the people about things that either already were infiltrating the Church or that these things would happen. Most wrote that this had already happened. Remember John said many false prophets have GONE OUT into the world and this is the spirit of anti-christ. That they have GONE OUT, means they have gone out from among the flock. They were once walking in Truth!
      Edwin Gibbons, writer of arguably the best history of Rome ever written, “The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire” wrote that followers of Christ held to the Mosaic Law until the destruction of Jerusalem. Once this happened, the Gentiles overwhelmed the disorganized Jewish Christian Church in Israel and gradually began to reintroduce paganistic practices they had been delived from back into Christianity. Paul wrote about this same kind of situation in Galatians 4:8-10 also! According to Gibbons, in the early 2nd century the Christian Jews even elected a Gentile leader who convinced them to completely leave Mosaic Law practices so they could be welcomed back into areas of Israel held by Rome and escape continuing persecution.
      The rest, as they say, is history. We still engage in pagan practices, Sunday, Christmas, Easter and others and refuse to comply with Moses. Jesus said you have to do what Moses said!

      In Luke 10 after a laywer asked Jesus what he had to do to inherit eternal life, Jesus asked Him the following, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” Notice, Jesus knew where the answer was to be found!
      The lawyer replied, “You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and you shall love your neighbor as yourself.” I doubt most Christians today even know that is written in the Law of Moses. They think Jesus discovered that command.
      But listen to what Jesus said to the man! “YOU HAVE ANSWERED CORRECTLY; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE [HAVE ETERNAL LIFE]. Jesus is just validating what God spoke through Moses (Lev. 18:5), through Ezekiel (Ez. 20:11), and through Paul (Romans 10:5).
      And so we come to today and the subject of your article where many evangelicals think violence in the Middle East is a sure sign of Jesus’ return. Actually, it is a sign of God’s impending discipline upon HIS people who have refused to submit to the Creator’s authority even though they say they are in covenant with Him. It is the last warning before the discipline goes worldwide. What is it we bring to the table as our obligation to Him in acceptance of His offering of His covenant? We refuse to obey and this is the only thing He told us we had to do!
      Scripture says judgment begins at the House of God. God can’t judge the world when those who claim to belong to Him refuse to grant Him honor on the earth and instead profane His Name. He has to first discipline His own family and then He can deal with those not of His family. When we who claim to belong to Him return, teshuva, repent and return to obeying the things of Moses, and spoken by Jesus, 2 witnesses that agree thereby establishing facts, God spoke as instructions for His household, for those who claim to be in covenant with Him, then He will act on our behalf. Until then, the hunters will come after us as Jeremiah says (16:15) and Jacob will be delivered into the hands of Ishmael and Esau.
      While I can’t say for sure how things will play out, it seems Scripture indicates Israel wil again be overrun by her enemies and the king of the north will plant his tents there. The Jews and Christians, especially evangelical ones, which even the Pope is against, and I am not one but He would be against me also, are going to be severely persecuted. We still have a ways to go, as at least one other person has mentioned in these comments.
      God says Israel will be His threshing instrument in the day of His vengence on the earth. Suffice it to say, it is not a physical Israel He is speaking of but rather the one Jesus, Yeshua, will rule and reign with for a thousand years! See Joel 2 and compare to the circumstances and events surrounding the battle of Jericho, the FIRST battle as Israel entered the Land. How many similar actions are you able to find? Surely there is a God who orchestrated the writing of Scripture!! Awesome!

  • Barry Goldwater

    Beware if you’re counting on the evangelicals to vote for Conservatives. When we look closer they’re divided along several lines. Those collecting Federal benefits, those opposed to armed conflict of any kind, those who’re Democrats due to family history, those who support amnesty etc.

  • Everyone will be made to suffer the tribulation, not just the enemies of gods people.

    Babylon is not in the east, if you factor the book of enoch into your foresight, the true babylon is in the west.

    • Hoss Inphepher

      Get your forsight off your fore skin

  • “[H]ow did Barack Obama get 10 percent?”

    Black churches are heavily evangelical. I think not many evangelicals were included in the poll if only 10% thought positively of Obama.

    • afchief

      The majority of blacks are black first then Christian/American.

      If 95% of blacks can vote an evil man like 0bama, it is proof positive!

      • Jim Davis

        I think going to church to them means dressing up and fronting, and maybe getting into the pants of other church-goers.

      • Proof positive that Christians are evil? Well, many Americans would agree with that observation if they watch the news (Robert Dear, Josh Duggar, etc).

        Blacks were 12% of the population, and only one third of those Blacks were old enough to vote in 2008. Of those old enough to vote, [some rather high percentage I am not going to research] were incarcerated and prohibited from voting. It was WHITES who overwhelmingly got Obama voted in, as whites are only ever the demographic that reaches double digits percentage-wise on Election Day.

        And don’t forget, the first time he ran for Prez, many Christians refused to vote for a Mormon. Whereas individual followers may be quite nice, Mormonism itself IS a false religion that pukes in the face of anything Biblical, and good Christians distance themselves from anyone who has chosen to follow that disguised path to He||..

        • afchief

          Wow! More proof that liberalism truly is a mental disorder

          • Gay Veteran

            in other words: YOU got NOTHING

          • Naw. they already tried painting Robert Dear and Josh Duggar as Liberals; it didn’t hold up too well to any of us with an education beyond 6th grade… sadly, their mental disorders can’t be blamed on Liberalism. (Nor can Romney’s of course.)

          • afchief

            Just remember Newtons 1st law of liberalism:

            Each and every liberal action has an equal and opposite result! That’s why it’s called a mental disorder!!!

            And don’t forget Newtons 2nd law of liberalism:

            Liberalism is like taking a dump in your pants. You get a temporary warm fuzzy feeling, but later you realize it’s just crap.

            And don’t forget Newtons 3rd law of liberalism:

            If you believed in making the world a better place, you and other liberals would stop breeding!!!!

          • I wonder if anyone is uneducated enough to not have realized instantly that you made all of those “Newton’s Laws” up.

            Maybe before you try to talk about mental disorders again you should get yours checked out first? Making nonsense up out of whole cloth opinion and labeling it as “fact” does not make it so in the real world.

          • Taussig

            he posts the same things over and over and over all over these forums…..he’s just a moron

          • Thanks, I had not realized this until after I had responded to him :

          • Gay Veteran

            more cut and paste from our resident retard

          • afchief

            Retard?!?! I’m not the one who thinks the back door is a sexual organ???


          • Gay Veteran

            many of your fellow heterosexuals disagree, RETARD

          • afchief

            Negative Mr Packs the Fudge!!! That is a boldface lie that homos like to use to justify their “sickness”!!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            then prove me a liar, pharisee

          • Taussig

            you couldn’t be more than 10 or 11 years old with the posts that you’re making

          • afchief

            Virtually everything the left institutes is done to create a Godless society. Liberalism has been an effective tool toward that end, and it’s real origin comes from the one they follow, Satan.

          • Gay Veteran

            yeah, the Clean Water Act and Clean Air Act creates a godless society /sarc/

          • Taussig

            how many times have you posted that drivel??

          • afchief

            Wow! More proof that liberalism truly is a mental disorder

          • Gay Veteran

            Wow! More proof that your small brain can only cut and paste

        • Gay Veteran

          don’t confuse afchief with the facts

          • How could anyone do that?? He doesn’t even confuse himself with facts… although he is clearly confused by facts.

      • Gay Veteran

        did you vote for Bush? then you voted for an evil man

        • afchief

          Nope! I personally met GW and he is a good man!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            oh, one war criminal meeting another

          • afchief

            You are showing yourself more and more STUPID. GW had congresses approval to go to war Mr Packs the Fudge!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            hey Einstein, so what?
            Hit ler had the Reichstag’s approval to go to war.
            war crimes = war crimes no matter who approves them, you vile, psychopathic p.o.s.

          • afchief

            You are proving the mental disorder called homosexual in more ways than one!!!! Mr Packs the Fudge no crime has been committed if no law was broken.

            Go back to your best and only positon…..ON ALL FOURS!!!!!!


          • Gay Veteran

            only a psychopath would continue to defend our war of aggression against Iraq.
            you are a FOOL

          • afchief

            A fool??!?! I’m not the one who Packs Fudge!!!!


          • Gay Veteran

            interesting you focused on fool instead of psychopath.

            there’s a special place in Hell for war mongers like you

          • afchief

            Poor Mr. Packs the Fudge!!! No war crimes have been committed!!!

          • Gay Veteran

            spoken like a good little na zi

          • Taussig

            or is that your wife on the avatar?Hmmm

          • Taussig

            maybe in a bathhouse somewhere…LOL!

        • JB

          You’re really full of a lot of vitriol – I see your angry comments all over this blog – maybe you should lie down and take a nap.

          • Gay Veteran

            maybe you should STFU

          • Jean-Marie Hendricks

            You’re just a hateful person, aren’t you? Why are you so angry and hateful to others? This isn’t healthy; perhaps talking to someone would help you – just a thought. I’ve met some nasty people in my life, but you seem to take the cake – smh.

          • Gay Veteran

            well Jeannie, you have led a VERY sheltered life, now grab your lace hankie and head over to the fainting couch

          • Jean-Marie Hendricks

            No, I just don’t see the sense in being a jerk to others, simply because I disagree with them; which is exactly what you are doing. Most of us have the ability to have a dialog with another who disagrees with us. You on the other hand, seem to get your kicks at stirring up people – and just for your own enjoyment. Again, that is not a healthy psychology, it is in fact considered unhealthy. You are welcome to disagree; however, using logical fallacies does nothing for your credibility. In fact, it harms it and makes you appear quit ignorant. Perhaps reading some philosophy would help you understand the art of debate. It’s quite a historical art, and requires tact – something you obviously don’t have. Good day to you, Gay Veteran.

          • truefreedom

            I wouldn’t talk, if I were you. You show very little debating skill and very little respect for people with different opinions than you – even fellow Christians. Gay veteran loves to provoke. Silence is the best response to that.

          • Jean-Marie Hendricks

            Are you serious? Please point out where I was disrespectful; and where I was debating anything in my above comment. As for your silence comment; I don’t recall Jesus ever remaining silent because He was speaking against others behavior – do you? If you do, then by all means, quote it! You can’t because He did not. In fact, he threw tables and chased people with a whip in the Temple. Moreover, we are told to correct and to speak without ceasing of the good news of the gospel – that must be one of the parts of the Bible you neglected to read, or completely ignore.

          • truefreedom

            Jean-Marie, you are in the grip of some bad stuff … you need to get to know God in a deeper way. If someone who disagrees with you is an Israel-hater, then you are a communist, group-think nutbar disguised as a bible-believer.

          • Jean-Marie Hendricks

            “maybe you should STFU” That is a comment made by one who is disrespectful.

            “No, I just don’t see the sense in being a jerk to others, simply because I disagree with them; which is exactly what you are doing.” This is a respectful reply to one who made the comment above, and in response to this: “You’re just a hateful person, aren’t you? Why are you so angry and hateful to others? This isn’t healthy; perhaps talking to someone would help you – just a thought. I’ve met some nasty people in my life, but you seem to take the cake – smh.”
            When one tells other to shut the —- up; that is not being respectful. Moreover, when one repeatedly responds in such a way, as this person has to ANYONE and EVERYONE, that is disrespectful, full of vitriol, and the use of logical fallacies. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Obviously you don’t know the difference; and are just upset that I called you on your blasphemous religion – your satanic lead cult. If telling you the truth is antichristian and disrespectful; you must dispise Jesus Christ. He spent the better part of His ministry telling the Pharisees and Saducess how wrong they were though debate and truth. In fact, the only person who would claim my speaking the truth, and then attack my comment with a logical fallacy would be the father of lies – satan. And I will gladly tell satan exactly what I think of him, and remind him that he is a loser for all time! Don’t like it, then don’t worship satan!

          • Gay Veteran

            the comment wasn’t directed at you, church lady.
            and respect is earned

          • Gay Veteran

            “…Perhaps reading some philosophy would help you understand the art of debate. It’s quite a historical art, and requires tact….”

            oh my, you’ve got a death grip on your pearls.
            this ain’t the Harvard debate team darling, now head back to Downton Abbey for your tea and crumpets.

            Good day to you, madam

          • Gay Veteran

            “…using logical fallacies does nothing for your credibility….”

            hmmmm, and yet you didn’t list any, that does nothing for your credibility, my lady

  • Richard O. Mann

    Rapture first. 7 years of pure hell released on earth. Jesus returns to earth, touching down in Jerusalem. Pretty much the line up. Looks to be right on track. Yes, Israel may get more land before that time, but only about 1/3rd of the people of Israel will survive to the end of the 7 years. The rest of the world, will fair no better. Man will become more scarce than really fine gold. The elites will get their wish of a much lower population. Should be interesting times for all who have to go through it.

  • Jim Davis

    Evangelicals aren’t the brightest bunch. They support Israel.

  • MaxRockatansky33

    I wrote a comment but it didn’t appear. Censorship? Isisrael is a secular country and it is not on God side. And Natanjachu is a liar.

  • MaxRockatansky33

    Evangelics working for AIPAC and Hasbara?

  • Simon

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure the bible says exactly the same thing:

    “Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!” Romans‬ ‭11:25-33‬ ‭ESV‬‬

    Oh, my bad. Looks like you’re wrong too.

    Supporting Israel’s right to exist and honouring the Jews as the people chosen to bring Messiah into the world is actually pretty biblical. It doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything Israel does but if you think the nation of Israel was reborn purely by human desire born of the Schofield bible and not by God’s will and purposes for fulfilling countless prophecies about drawing the nations into confrontation with Israel at the end of the age to secure the salvation of all Israel as mentioned above, you might want to check your theology.

    Start with Romans.

    • truefreedom

      The rebirth of Israel as a nation has ZILCH to do with some prophecy being fulfilled. God’s days of dealing with his people as a nation-entity are over. The church is the Israel of God as just a bit of awareness of the NT would teach you. The world has been poisoned by the Israel exceptionalism of American foreign policy. And I say that as a fervent Christian believer.

      • Simon

        When a “fervent Christian believer” casually refers to numerous and significant passages of scripture as “some prophecy”, their “awareness of the NT” doesn’t carry as much weight with me as someone who actually respects scripture (and can use it defend their position), especially when that awareness is replacement theology which has conveniently been used to justify Jew hatred through the ages.

        Sounds like you hate Israel as much as Islam with the whole “poisoned” rhetoric. Funny that.

        • truefreedom

          A blog comment is not really the place to delve into hermeneutics and exegesis. Suffice it to say that the controlling idea about prophecy for the apostles is that the OT prophecies about Israel are fulfilled in Christ and the church. If you don’t get that, you don’t really get the storyline of the Bible and then you also get confused about the state of Israel still somehow being God’s holy nation despite the NT clearly saying that the true Israel of God is the church, just like Christ is the true priest and the true sacrifice and the church is the true temple of which the previous ones were only a shadow. Funny that your mind is so small that my failure to embrace Israel exceptionalism makes me an Israel-hater. No, I don’t hate Israel. I just want Israel to be treated like other nations and not given favored-nation status on the basis of some eccentric dispensational understanding of the Bible.

          • Simon

            Ad hominems aren’t the best way to prove your Christian fervency – impersonal, reasoned argument would work better. Check my comments again and you won’t see what you are dishing out at my small mind. I’m attacking replacement theology (for the aforementioned reason), not you!

            If you want Israel to be treated the same, I would imagine you’d be writing to the UN a lot, given their epic list of resolutions against it comparative to other nations. Equally, you must be enraged at the Arab nations surrounding Israel for all the same human rights violations they clearly commit that Israel is frequently accused of but much less clearly actually commiting. You seem to be focussed on Israel in a way that seems unequal. Stop insisting on Israel exceptionalism when it’s clear I’m not arguing for it. I think Israel should be treated like any other nation that can defend itself in the face of constant threats of annihilation, something no other nation faces. Given its social liberalness though, I’m not a fan.

            Like I said, you claim “the world has been poisoned” which is either over the top hyperbole or rhetoric you will hear across the Islamic world, a place where Israel is largely despised and literally threatened with total destruction.

            “Controlling ideas in theology” means little when church history is a long testament to competing ideas in all streams of theology. It might be controlling in your circles or even in brider society but that doesn’t mean it’s right. Humanism is the controlling ideology of the West, after all, and Islam across a quarter of the earth.

            You move from statements we would obviously agree on (fulfilment in Christ) through logical fallacy to ones we do not.

            Like a man and woman, equality in Christ does not necessitate the same function. So it is with Israel and the church.

            Israel conveniently exists again after Christians and Jews hundreds of years ago predicted it based upon their reading of the scriptures and prophecy. You can maintain that it’s sheer coincidence but whole passages of Zechariah, Isaiah, the Revelation, and others sure seem to plainly say God would restore Israel and centre a global conflict around that nation leading to the day of the Lord.

          • Gay Veteran

            Poland was destroyed and then recreated. The Poles are the Chosen People!

  • crash

    Looks like 19 percent of ” Evangelical Christians” are not Christian at all! There’s no way your a Christian and don’t believe that Jesus is not coming after his church! Sadly that is the trend in the world today. Too many people claim to be Christians that are truly not!

    • Many people who call themselves “Christians” only do so because they think that is the default answer. I asked a family friend “what” he was, and he said, “I dunno, Christian I guess”. I said, “you guess??”, and he said, “yeah whatever most people are”.

      He doesn’t attend church, he never opened a Bible, he does nothing for holidays but eat chocolate and Peeps (Easter) and take advantage of good sales (post-Xmas). He can rattle off “Jesus died for our sins”, but he couldn’t explain wtf that even means. I asked him to name THREE books of the Bible, and he didn’t even know what a “book” of the Bible meant. I told him Genesis was an example; he said Genesis was the only one he could think of then.

      He’s far from the only one either. I dare say the majority of people who CALL themselves Christian simply do so out of convenience.

      • Jean-Marie Hendricks

        You’re committing a very serious logical fallacy. You’re basing your last comment: “He’s far from the only one either. I dare say the majority of people who CALL themselves Christian simply do so out of convenience.”

        “the majority of people who CALL themselves Christian simply do so out of convenience.” That is begging the question, my friend. How do you know that “the majority of people who CALL themselves Christian simply do so out of convenience”? Have you asked them? Are you privy to some information that proves your statement? If so, then you are obligated to share such information to prevent the natural response to such a statement: ‘And you know this how?’
        Your next problem is this: You are basing your entire argument on one interaction with a family member, and then attempting to attribute that single interaction as evidence for your conclusion. That is called a Hasty Conclusion fallacy.
        We all are guilty of fallacious logic at one time or another; however, we should try and be aware, and make a concerted effort to argue with logical facts, and not fallacies.

        • Ah, your faulty opinion — and that’s all it is — would be better directed at any number of the posters who constantly pull their own faulty opinions on this very site regarding liberals and ‘why liberals do what they do’. Surely none of them have spoken to so much as even one liberal prior to concluding liberals’ modi operandi on every last movement they make. But I will forgive that from you, as you may just be too similar to them to realize you had done the same.

          Did I only ask one person to come to my conclusion? No. I spoke to this one person and used this one person as a valid example of what passes for “Christianity” today. Polls which delve more deeply beyond the simple-minded question, “Are you a Christian/Do you believe in God?” routinely show that in fact — no — people do not believe in God any more than my uneducated friend does. When people say, “God Bless You” to those who sneeze, I ALWAYS ask them if they are saying that because that’s all they’ve ever heard, OR if they are saying that because they have a valid concern about someone’s state of mortality which God would be ultimately responsible for. NOT ONCE has anyone ‘passed’ the smell test of being a valid Christian. Yes, I have done this for decades (and it’s a great conversation starter).

          Are there real, valid Christians anymore? Sure. Can they name more than a handful of Books in the Bible? Can they do anything other than scream “GOD HATES F@G$”, or do they realize that God of the Bible is not all about hate and vengeance? Some Christians do still exist, but in ever-dwindling numbers. If you do your own research away from church parking lots, you will be hard-pressed to dispute this.

  • truefreedom

    Just goes to show how clueless evangelicals really are … they know little about biblical hermeneutics and have been led astray by doomsday prognosticators who read the Bible through the lens of politics. American evangelicalism is badly out of synch with the historical beliefs of Christianity when it comes to matters such as interpreting prophecy and eschatology. Evangelicals have been a bad influence on American foreign policy for a long time. I always tell my evangelical friends that Israel is just another piece of real estate in the middle east subject to all the same requirements of justice as any other nation on earth. There should be no Israel exceptionalism in American foreign policy as there has been for fifty years or more. So many evangelicals have strange beliefs about the future, for example, that there is a biblical necessity for another temple to be built in Jerusalem. Who would want another stone temple when as Christians we are living stones of the temple of the Spirit? Why would the Lord’s work of redemption regress to an earlier age? Why animal sacrifices again when the one sacrifice for all ages has been made? I am afraid that American evangelicals have become part of the world problem rather than a part of the solution. Failure to read Old Testament Scripture in the light of its fulfilment in Christ can lead to violence and war in the Middle East. By my judgment, American evangelicals, who claim to be pro-life, are really war-mongers. They usually support America’s interventionist wars in the Middle East at a much higher rate than the national average. How can that be Christian?

    • Jean-Marie Hendricks

      And you follow which Cult; because there is no way on God’s green earth that you are a Christian! I don’t know what garbage you have been reading, or who has been filling your head with this junk (well I could take a wild guess, satan, fits the bill); but you are seriously being mislead and deceived! Stop relying on your own, or others understanding of the True Word of God, and rely on His understanding. Then and only then will you comprehend scripture. Good grief and God help you.

      • truefreedom

        No I don’t belong to any cult or sect of Christianity. I belong to a healthy,vibrant, growing sector of Christianity profoundly in touch with Scripture and the ancient traditions of the church. I love God and I love his Savior Jesus Christ and I love Scripture which I read constantly. The problem with American evangelicalism is that it has lost touch with the grand heritage of the faith and imagines that truth began with the Scofield Reference Bible. Really, dispensational Christianity is a bit of a gong show. It is sectarian and mis-guided. There are so many discredited preachers and prophets who have predicted all manner of things which have turned out to be utterly false. Well,I guess you still think I’m representing satan here but the fact is that you need to have an education into historical Christian theology.

        • Jean-Marie Hendricks

          I have, that is where you are misguided. I have studied OT and New Testament at a well known Christian University. Moreover, I do not lean on the understanding per man, or even myself; but that of the true, living, and breathing Word of God. God’s word tells us to be discerning of men who preach prophecy; therefore, I do not rely on them but on God and His Word, and the Holy Spirit who conveys to me the truth. If you believe that the rebuilding of the Temple is false, then you are not following the Word of God; because Jesus specifically states that this is to happen. Moreover, He also speaks of His new covenant with Israel. God warns us that anyone who curses them will be cursed, and anyone who blesses them will be blessed. You have falsely spoken of God’s Word, and made God a liar by your own mouth. Jesus said we would know them by their fruits. And your own mouth speaks blasphemy against the infallible Word of God, toward Gentiles and Jews alike. Therefore, yes, you have spoken as satan would speak – lies! And I know NO Christian who believes that the founding began with the Scofield version. The original Word of God was given to the Israelites. It was not until Jesus came, that the Word of God was then delivered to the Gentiles. And that has been delivered first in Hebrew and Aramaic, then translated to Greek and then to English and other languages.The Scofield is simply a study Bible, nothing more, written with historical aspects included to guide the student in his study of scripture, with God. You are basically condemning a particular bible, simply because it doesn’t fit your narrative. however, the KJV and any other states the very same things. You have nothing to back your claims stated in your argument. Instead you resort to logical fallacies, namely the straw man and the selective perception fallacies – that is a big no, no. And anyone who has studied theology, or any form of debate would know that. As far as I can tell, and from my own theological education; you are of the ideology of a cult, or some satanic distortion of the Word of God. Therefore, the only person who needs an education here on Truth, is you. I’ll be praying for you.

          • Gay Veteran

            put 5 Christians in a room with 1 bible verse and you’ll get 6 different interpretations

          • Jean-Marie Hendricks

            That’ why we are told not to rely on man’s (general pronoun) interpretation and understanding; but the inerrant Word and Omnipotent knowledge of God. Humans are, by all accounts fallible. Moreover, the Bible clearly speaks to this in Genesis 3:1; Jeremiah 17:9; Matthew 15:19, to name a few). Now before you say it; because I can hear it already: ‘Well if man is fallible, and man wrote the Bible, then how can you claim the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. This is classic; however, flawed logic. Let me explain.
            It is flawed or false logic to contend that if man is fallible and man wrote the Bible, then the Bible is not inerrant. Why? Because you lay the blame for misinterpretation at the wrong feet. Proper thought would dictate that if one interprets something incorrectly, and sells it as fact to another; the one who, albeit foolishly, accepted without question your interpretation is not blamed. Nor could you blame it on the person who initially shared such knowledge with you. Let’s look at an example. Let’s say, you purchase an biography on J.R.R Tolken. Now you know that J.R.R. Tolken did not personally pen the biography; because well, it’s a biography. A biography is written about an individuals life, by one who has either personally retrieved the facts of the biography from the individual, and from personal experiences with the individual, or in the case of death, has studied the historical facts relating to the individual and made every effort to ensure accuracy of the statements made – in layman terms. In keeping with the Biblical scenario, let’s say the author personally spoke to and witnessed what he/she wrote, or at least they say they were and we have no reason to question it. Therefore, you read the biography and believe it to be absolute truth and fact. You share with another what you have learned about J.R.R. Tolken; but unbeknownst to this person some of the facts are misinterpreted by you; not necessarily intentionally, but misinterpreted nonetheless. Should the person who you shared this information with hold you accountable, J.R.R. Tolken, or the author? That is a good question, so let’s look at it.
            Who is to blame for the error(s)? We could ask J.R.R. Tolken about it, if he were alive; however, alas he is not. So instead we could research for the truth pertaining to the error, perhaps in his writings or with descendants. We could lay the blame on you. I mean you did read it and then misinterpret the facts, so it is fair to say you hold the brunt of the responsibility. But we would have to ascertain whether you knew what you said was false. And let’s up the ante here; the author is also deceased – trying to keep with the same scenario as with the Bible (apostles and prophets are deceased, so we can’t speak to them directly). Or, do we blame the hearer whom heard it from you, and trusted you. Well we could say that they should have investigated prior to taking your word for it, now couldn’t we. But, since J.R.R. Tolken is deceased; and through our investigation we have found no justifiable reason for him to lie, we can ascertain that either the author outright lied or misrepresented the facts, or you did. So, we can’t justifiably blame Tolken, because he uttered the truth to the author; who too is deceased. We can’t blame the author because what he wrote fits with the facts from our investigation of Tolken himself, his character, and life. So the only one left holding the bag here is you and the hearer of your misinterpretation. You spoke incorrectly; whether intentional or otherwise, which in turn misinformed another; whom should have done their own investigation to ascertain the truth, rather than accept everything you said as gospel (no pun intended). Therefore, blaming God for the misinterpretation of His inerrant word of proven facts (do some research on historical and archeological discovery in the Middle East – it is fascinating) is the equivalent of blaming J.R.R Tolken for his inerrant word of his life, character, and experiences. The same could be said for the author. The author did not fudge the truth; rather he described what he experienced with and heard Tolken say to him. Sure we could say that his experiences were expressions of his own perceptions; but then we would be getting deeply into Philosophical issues of Realism and Metaphysics; and frankly it’s quite deep and takes a lot of time to delve into, so let’s just suffice to say that perceptions can be selective in the nature of the human psychology. Moreover, we can certainly mishear another, or our memory can mislead us. Is this possible with the apostles, sure, but not intentionally. It is just a fact of human fallability. However, I believe that God would ensure that His Word was written precisely as He directed; as He was staking everything on our accepting Him as the one, true God; and His Son as the Savior and God in the flesh.
            I don’t know if I helped you here or not, I hope so; but I am human as well. If you truly want to know the truth, then all I can suggest is that you seek His wisdom, not mine or anyone elses, and spend some time reading His word with an open mind. You asked and stated a very good question/statement here, truly.
            As Christians, we are told by Paul, that we are to be ready with an answer at all times. So I thank you for making me work hard at attempting to answer this for you. Again I hope I helped, or at least peaked your interest to investigate for yourself.

      • Gay Veteran

        interesting that you didn’t refute a single thing he said

  • truefreedom

    So clever but so irrelevant. What matters is what Jesus said: no one knows the day or the hour of his return and all efforts to figure it out stand condemned. What matters is only that we live by faith in the Son of God and advance his Kingdom through our words and deeds. Leave the future to the Lord of the future.

    • Jean-Marie Hendricks

      “What matters is what Jesus said: no one knows the day or the hour of his return and all efforts to figure it out stand condemned.”
      Funny, that’s not what Jesus told His disciples in Matthew 24:42-51:
      42″ Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that id the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant for whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to yo that he will make him a ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appointed him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
      I’d say that’s pretty clear that we’re to do more than “live by faith in the Son of God and advance [H]is Kingdom through our words and deeds”; or “leave the future to the Lord of the future.” We are to remain watchful and aware of the signs. Were this not so, then the signs Jesus gave us and His disciples would be, as you say, “irrelevant.” He told us for a reason; so we would watch, and make sure our house is in order for His return, and God’s judgement of the World. Any interpretation outside of that makes Jesus and liar, and discredits his entire ministry. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by a someone who spends their time condescending to anyone who isn’t as ‘well versed’ and knowledgeable as you. Jesus told us to be humble, guess you missed that in your infinite wisdom, oh mighty one. Your arrogance reminds me of the Pharisees and Sadducees of Jesus’ day – get over yourself!

  • Heidi K.

    The 7 year Tribulation period is just around the corner, the rapture of the born again Christians is near! Please witness to the lost as much as you can.

  • Robert

    Over 40 years I have watched this debate, discussion,sermonizing. Every hiccup in the Middle East was “it”. I even heard preachers tell the faithful not to worry about retiring because the “rapture” was upon us and we would have our retirement in heaven. Give more though for the preacher’s retirement and for the building program. Dozens of theories and Bible interpretations abounded. I have seen people “fall away” over the years disappointed that life was hard and that they could not live up to some pulpit pounding preacher who had all the answers to life like some good folks here. Well, I do not have the answers but my faith still holds however weak it might be. I will leave it to God to exercise His sovereign will. One thing though: memento mori.

    • Jean-Marie Hendricks

      Those people were relying on a human being, not on God. That is where and why they became deceived, misguided, confused, and disappointed. We are not to put our faith in man (general pronoun), or anything of this world; but in the infallible Word of God Almighty. We are IN this world; but we are NOT of this world. Our home is in heaven, not here on this earth which is passing away. Keep your eyes on Him – He will NEVER, EVER mislead you. God Bless and keep you always. You will be in my prayers, Robert.

  • John Noyb

    Agree – JD is Lebanese and has a very keen insight into what is happening in the Middle East. I find his weekly updates very interesting and encouraging. Hopefully “near” doesn’t mean 25 years – but good point for sure.

  • VigilanteCaregiver

    These are the last days of the wicked.

    The literal gathering of Israel and restoration of the lost 10 tribes is coming to pass. Zion, the New Jerusalem, is now being established on the American continent whilst the Jews are rebuilding things in their land. The end of the wicked is so very soon! Relief so very soon!

    Jesus the Christ shall personally reign upon His planet soon. The Saints will enjoy peace and happiness for a long, long time upon a renewed planet Earth – just like how Eden was. Our righteous ancestors and our children died far too young returned to Earth: my stillborn son restored to us.

    Why should I even consider atheism or any other imaginary faith based on desperate assertions adopting scientific definitions? What is the result? Misery, corruption, iniquity, death without hope of anything; to live and die like an animal…

    We are men and women: made in the image of God, the Father; and bestowed with potential for growth and development. Not some crude material.

    And just a reminder: I am running a program that automatically erases the trolls from my viewing. It doesn’t erase you off Disqus; just from appearing on my web browser. You have the right of free speech: not the right for me to hear you.

    • Gay Veteran

      “…And just a reminder: I am running a program that automatically erases the trolls from my viewing. It doesn’t erase you off Disqus; just from appearing on my web browser. You have the right of free speech: not the right for me to hear you.”

      because you are a COWARD, and intellectually incapable of defending your own positions

    • Gay Veteran

      “…Zion, the New Jerusalem, is now being established on the American continent whilst the Jews are rebuilding things in their land….”

      where did you come up with that? from the bad piece of 19th century fiction known as the book of mormon?

    • Gay Veteran

      “…You have the right of free speech: not the right for me to hear you.”

      in other words: VigilanteCaregiver sticking his fingers in his ears screaming la-la-la-la!!!!!!!!!

  • Sandbagger

    Whatever happened to being a joyful Christian?

    For decades, I’ve heard Christians go on and on about how this or that was a “sure sign” that the Rapture was
    imminent and this war or that skirmish was a “sure sign” that The Tribulation was imminent.

    I know, because I am a Christian who has listened and considered. I’ve prayed and studied. “Sure signs” come and go again and again.

    But, this is the time, you say.

    Perhaps it is.

    But perhaps it isn’t.

    What I DO KNOW is the JOYFUL CHRISTIAN has disappeared while busily looking for signs. The joyful Christian runs around declaring the end is near and wringing their hands, all while denying they are wringing their hands and insisting they ARE JOYFUL!!

    Satan loves nothing more than to steal a Christian’s joy by distracting them with “signs”.

    Christians are told to occupy until Christ comes. He wants us to do so joyfully. We are to live our lives according to His teachings with joy and share that GOOD NEWS with the lost.

    I’m not seeing ANY joyful sharing of good news within the sign-seeking crowd.

    So it’s true an evil generation asks for signs.

  • watchmannonthewall

    Jer 51:19-23: The portion of Jacob (Israel) is not like these (see verses 17 and 18 to see what Jacob isn’t); for the Maker of all is He, and of the tribe of His inheritance; the LORD of hosts is His Name. He says, ‘You (Jacob-Israel) are My battle axe, My weapon of war; and with you I will shatter nations, and with you I will destroy kingdoms. And with you I will shatter the horse and rider, and with you I will shatter man and woman, and with you I will shatter old man and youth, and with you I will shatter young man and virgin, and with you I will shatter the shepherd and his flock, and with you I will shatter the farmer and his team, and with you I will shatter the governors and the prefects.” (See also Isaiah 11:11-16 as a corrsponding passage.)
    But notice this though: “But I will repay Babylon and all the inhabitants of Chaldea for all their evil that they have done in Zion before your eyes, declares the LORD.” (See also Isaiah 10:20-27 as a corresponding passage.)
    Why is the last statement so important to us? This is the Babylon that is spoken of in Revelation 17 and 18. Scripture says it takes two witnesses to establish facts. The Babylon in the NT must have a corresponding Babylon testimony in the OT! These passages in Jeremiah and Israel are yet to be fulfilled. All that Jeremiah wrote before the last statement that sounds so good to Jacob-Israel, only occurs AFTER the last statement has played out.
    What is the significance of the last statement? It encompasses the 3.5 year Great Tribulation period, the time God called “Jacob’s Trouble”. It is the time God is going to use the nations, the rod of men, to chastise His people. Yes, Israel will have more land but not until the Millenniel reign of Messiah. Before that she is going to be decimated, once again, along with many Christians. Many other Christians (mentioned above in the 10%, plus others?) will join the anti-christ who is the one who will decimate her. This is the outcome of the “strong delusion” spoken of in the atricle “because they loved not the Truth”- the Word of God, the Scriptures. They really don’t know what Scripture says!
    It will only be when there is a small remnant left that are watching for Him and are obedient to Him (think Gideon), that God will then discipline the nations for touching His anointed, those of Zion. Zoin is actually related to a Hebrew word meaning “grafted in”. Some of you know what that means! The Christians think they are going to be raptured out of here. Actually, just like Noah went thru the Flood, we are going to go thru the final Flood also, only this one ends in fire! All those who think they belong to the Messiah need to be building their ark, learning how to love and walk out the Truth!
    Michael has been warning us for over 6 years that I know of what is coming. Some of the prophets warned for decades and some of their prophesies are still on the way to come true! Whether we are at the time we are looking for right now is not yet apparent. That it is near is vey apparent. God has given the radical Muslims authority over a portion of the earth (25%?), authority over God’s people to discipline them and it is going to get worse. It is coming to the United States in far greater intensity than exhibited thus far.
    Ezekiel prophesied concerning the coming days: “‘Son of man, if A Country sins against me by committing unfailtfulness (goes into apostasy), and I stretch out My hand against it, destroy its supply of bread, send famine against it and cut off from it both man and beast, even though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job were in its midst, by their own righteousness they could only deliver themselves,’ declares the LORD God.”
    Note it is by righteousness, not a confession of faith, these three men are delivered. What does God’s righteousness look like? “All Thy commandments are righteousness.” (Ps 119:172) Paul said, “Jesus is the end (Grk- teleos- goal, result) of the Law.” Are you walking as He walked or at least trying to? He is your goal! Build your ark God’s way!

  • Jean-Marie Hendricks

    I agree wholeheartedly. I do believe we are in the end times and have for some time now (last few years, especially). I also agree that Israel must play a star role in the coming events. We all need to make sure we get right with the Lord; and I include Christians in that as well, because He’s coming. When, well I couldn’t begin to guess, nor would I; but He is coming soon. It’s going to get worse before it gets better, so get ready, and God Bless.

  • Taussig

    the majority of those I work with in the hospital are liberal? hope you never need a doctor..:LOL!

    • Jean-Marie Hendricks

      Couldn’t come up with an actual argument against my comment could you. So, as is typical of the r- archtype, use a strawman or attack the character of the individual. Both of which you use quite regularly, and with ease! smh!

  • Hank

    Matthew 24:6-14 (NASB)
    6 “You will be hearing of wars and
    rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must
    take place, but that is not yet the end.
    7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against
    kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes.

    8 “But all these things are merely the beginning of
    birth pangs.
    “Then they will deliver you to tribulation,
    and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My
    10 “At that time many will fall away
    and will betray one another and hate one another.
    11 “Many false prophets will arise and will mislead
    12 “Because lawlessness is increased,
    most people’s love will grow cold.
    “But the one
    who endures to the end, he will be saved.
    “This gospel
    of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the
    nations, and then the end will come.

    Yes, we are living in end times, but Jesus said many horrors will happen before he returns. I do not think his return will happen in our lifetime. The truth is, no one knows when he will return.

  • Gay Veteran

    “Actually, it is a proven fact based in biology, that liberalism/socialism is a mental disorder, and leads to retardation….”

    hypocrite! “Thou shalt not bear false witness”

  • Mart1963

    Daniel 11 is all about the coming Muslim wars but it will only occurs after the U.S. is taken out which occurs after the U.S. destroys Iran’s military power as Iraq’s was.

  • Piglet

    I remember passing evangelical book stores in malls in Charleston, SC, on the eve of the Gulf War in late 1990. Then too it was claimed we were in the “end times” because military forces from around the world were gathering in the Mideast, supposedly in fulfillment of biblical prophecy. A quarter of a century later, here we are. It turns out that the fun was just getting started back then. I can hardly what to see how things will be an even bigger mess in another 25 years.

  • Hoss Inphepher

    lay a book up next to…

    • Apparently I’ve touched a nerve.

      I’ve been shown you are an “accursed of the accursed for ever that sleeps in the dust, hoss.

      Your ostentatiously bland accursed rhetoric complete with a weird homoerotic slight that allows me to understand that you most certainly aspire to be like Joseph Smith.

      You’ve outted yourself! Does the light hurt your eyes?

      Way to go, Joe!

      • Hoss Inphepher

        To be cursed by the book you hold is to be blessed by thought, and if you think that inferring I’m gay either diminishes my argument or hurts my feels, you are obviously a religionist, and incapable of ideas not supplied by someone else’s book. My eyes is fine, thanks for asking.

        • Been reading long?

          Glad to hear your “eyes is fine”, hoss.

          The inference had nothing to do with your or anyone’s sexuality.

          If you do not understand who the “accursed of the accursed” are, then you replied with commented regarding my post without reading it, it appears.

          You have offered up far too much credit to the “religionists”. I assert that only reading something once would not allow any of them to understand a simple theory. Possibly with multiple perusal, they might find successful comprehension, but that takes some serious practice for them.

          And, as far as my spiritual beliefs, you are incorrect. You couldn’t have been farther from what “is”, in reality. I am not now, nor have I ever been “religious”. But, I am “biblical”.

          In the book of Revelation, I am referred to as the “seven headed beast that rises up out of the sea”.

          Maybe you should curse yourself with a little bit of the bible, as the prophecy is all very valid and was around thousands of years before the bible was written.

          I would suggest that you just rip the entireity of the new testament out and dispose of it, first though.

  • Think about it like this, Ewiak

    How can the Battle of the Armageddon be a long way off, if I can name the players in the game?

    The “famine and drought” in Rev.6 is the third “seal” of the seven seal, which are the plagues that are wrongly attributed the God. But, you need to understand that the mythology of the bible is backwards, placing the “creature of light” in the “creature of the dark’ s” role. The plagues will be brought by the “accursed of the accursed for ever, that sleep in the dust” according to Enoch. He also tells us that the “accursed” live in the “accursed valley, that lies between the lofty trees”. The “lofty trees” are the trees in the Sierra Nevada’s, and the Rockies.

    The “accursed” reside between the Sierra and the Rockies. Hmmmm? I wonder who that could be?

    The “great harlot” is representative of the illuminati and the skull&bones.

    Your Daniel 11:14 the “violent ones” is a confirmation of Enoch foretelling of the “accursed”. There is too much violent malevolence that they have already attempted, including the little stunt the pulled known as the “Missouri Mormon war”, where the governor enacted Executive Order #44, which made it totally legal to shoot a Mormon on sight in Missouri. EO#44 remained on the book’s until 1974.

    Even one of their “prophets”, Spencer Kimball, proclaimed they were a “warlike people” a few years ago.

    They have caused trouble wherever they self righteously claim “divine right” to wherever they are.

    Your Luke 21:8 is in reference to the “false messiahs” that will step up.

    The “third temple” is representative of the “Jews” of Babylon. Not the Israelis. They aren’t in or near Babylon.

    The “king of the north” is representative of England.

    There are multiple levels of understanding to “beast”. The “Mark of the beast” is referring to the giant computer in Brussels, Belgium. It will track, or is keeping track of all of our transactions involving money.

    This is not the “seven headed beast that rises out of the Sea”.

    “Gog” will be a colonel in the New World Order, who comes from the municipality of “Ig” in Slovenia.

    Again, you need to understand the reversed mythology when you consider this verse in Rev7:14′ or Daniel 12. “The great tribulation of the enemies of God’s people.” Since its backwards, this places the “accursed” in the role of “God’s people”.

    I don’t think any of the prophetic passages you list have come to pass, yet, but it won’t be long.

    I am quite sure of that.

    • Gandi007

      the ”end” of the world happened 2000 years ago what the prophets of old and new testaments when referring to the events occurring then were meant for their generation not ours countless Evangelicals and others ”Christians” have been led astray by the premillennial Dispensationalism popularized by the Scofield reference Bible why else do so Evangelicals support serial wars in the Middle East? After all it’s God’s will Right?