When the freedom of speech of one group is being threatened, it is a threat to all of us. Just because you may not be a Christian, don't think that what you are about to read is not a problem for you as well. The truth is that any individual or group that does not "fit in" with the new "politically-correct" global system that is emerging is going to be persecuted sooner or later. In our society today, it has become quite fashionable to bash Christians. In fact, I am quite certain that some of the comments that get left after this article will say really horrible things about Christians. But after "Big Brother" is done with the Christians, are you sure that they will not come after you next? When I speak of "Big Brother", I am not just speaking of the government. In today's world, giant corporations and the mainstream media also play instrumental roles in the totalitarian police state prison grid that is being constructed all around us. The elite control the government, they run nearly all of the major corporations and they own most of the major media outlets. Anyone that does not "conform" to their system is a threat. As time goes by, the persecution of those that attempt to "rebel" against their system is only going to become more intense.
So if you are not a Christian, do not applaud when the system cracks down on Bible-believing Christians.
You never know, you might be next.
The following are 18 examples of how Christians are being specifically targeted by "Big Brother"....
#1 Home Bible studies are now banned in the city of San Juan Capistrano, California. According to city officials, regular gatherings "of more than three people" in private homes are simply not allowed. One couple that has held home Bible studies for years has already been fined twice and is being threatened with even more fines.
#2 Paypal has initiated "formal investigations" of a large number of Christian websites and organizations. Apparently, many of these investigations have been launched due to concerns that these websites and organizations do not hold to a "politically-correct" view of sexuality.
According to WorldNetDaily, Paypal has targeted include Americans For Truth, Last Days Watchman and a host of other Christian organizations including "Abiding Truth Ministries, New Generation Ministries, Noua Dreapta of Romania, Truth in Action Ministries, Dove World Outreach, Faith Word Baptist Church, Family Research Institute and American Society for the Defense of Traditional Family".
#3 In Wichita, Kansas last year, a Christian minister was handcuffed and hauled off to jail by police for sharing the gospel and handing out tracts to Muslims on a public sidewalk. Apparently freedom of speech does not apply on the public sidewalks of America any longer.
#4 In the UK, police recently threatened a cafe owner with arrest for silently playing a Bible DVD on a small television on the back wall of his cafe. The following is an excerpt from a Daily Mail article about this incident....
Mr Murray, 31, was left shocked after he was questioned for nearly an hour by the officers, who arrived unannounced at the premises.
He said he had turned off the Bible DVD after an ‘aggressive inquisition’ during which he thought he was going to be arrested and ‘frog-marched out of the cafe like a criminal’.
#5 Last year, a high school student in Southern California was suspended for two days because he had private conversations with his classmates during which he discussed Christianity. He was also banned from bringing his Bible to school ever again.
#6 Big cable networks regularly feature "comedians" that love to mock Christians. For example, HBO "comedian" Bill Maher recently stated that "there's a term for people who hate charity and love killing: Christian".
If that had been said about another minority group, it would have made front page headlines for weeks.
#7 Down in Texas, the Department of Veteran Affairs actually tried to ban prayers that include the words "God" or "Jesus" during funeral services for veterans.
#8 In North Carolina last year, a pastor was dismissed from his chaplain duties for praying in the name of Jesus.
#9 An unclassified Department of Homeland Security report published a couple years ago entitled "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment" claims that a belief in Bible prophecy "could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons." The report goes on to state that such people are potentially dangerous.
#10 Back on February 20, 2009, the State of Missouri issued a report entitled "MIAC Strategic Report: The Modern Militia Movement". That report warned that the following types of people may be potential terrorists....
*anti-abortion activists
*those that are against illegal immigration
*those that consider "the New World Order" to be a threat
*those that have a negative view of the United Nations
#11 All over the nation, "child protection agencies" are ripping an inordinate number of children out of Christian homes. In many of these cases the parents believe in homeschooling their children or they do not believe in having their children vaccinated.
#12 On June 18, 2010 two Christians decided that they would peacefully pass out copies of the gospel of John on a public sidewalk outside a public Islamic festival in Dearborn, Michigan and within three minutes 8 police officers surrounded them and placed them under arrest.
#13 A Christian consultant was recently fired by Bank of America and by Cisco because they discovered a book that he had written that expressed Christian viewpoints about social issues.
#14 A while back, a federal judge actually ruled that the University of California can deny course credit to applicants from Christian high schools that use textbooks that teach that it was God who created the earth.
#15 Back in 2009, one 8 year old boy in Massachusetts was sent home from school and was forced to undergo a psychological evaluation because he drew a picture of Jesus on the cross.
#16 The Obama administration has announced that there is a whole host of laws that it will not be enforcing, but one thing that the Obama administration has chosen to do is to aggressively pursue lawsuits against anti-abortion protesters.
#17 During a Congressional hearing earlier this year, U.S. Representative Sheila Jackson Lee warned that "Christian militants" might try to "bring down the country" and that such groups need to be investigated.
#18 According to a shocking FBI document obtained by Oath Keepers, the FBI definition of "suspicious activity" now includes making "extreme religious statements" and believing in "radical theology".
The good news is that there still is at least a limited amount of religious freedom in America. It may soon be gone, but at least we are in better shape than most of the globe.
Almost 70 percent of the population of the world now lives in countries where religious activities are highly restricted.
The sad truth is that the entire planet is moving away from freedom of religion.
That is a right that we are supposed to be guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution, but it should be obvious to everyone that our right to religious freedom is rapidly dying.
If you are not religious, don't think that you should not be fighting for religious freedom along with the rest of us.
Once they take some of our rights away, it will be much easier for them to take all the rest of our rights away.
United we stand, or divided we will fall.
For a spiritual analysis of why this is happening, among other things, here’s a YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmFm8PIz8M&feature=feedu
It’s rather lengthy; but to watch it in segments here’s another link:
http://www.douglashamp.com/age-of-deceit-fallen-angels-and-the-new-world-order/
Bring it on! God will deal with you in his own good time!
It amazes me that people just sleep through all the changes and freedoms that we seem to be losing. If it doesn’t happen to them they just ignore it. What’s so horrifying to me is seeing what is done to children in the schools and if they are accused of a crime. Little ten year olds can be locked up, five year olds have been hauled off in cuffs for acting badly at schools, kids are forced onto ADD meds, school cops can lie and threaten children into confessing, cops go to schools and talk to children without the parents being notified, and there is a lack of HIPPA and confidentiality when kids do get into trouble. It’s very shocking and only a drop in the bucket of what’s really going on out there.
Vi, are you also up and arms about the oppression of gays and their rights as well? I certainly hope so. Kids are committing suicide just because they’re bullied because of their sexuality all because many “Christians” believe homosexuals are an abomination and are better off dead.
Know who is better off dead? Straight couples who keep reproducing and increasing the population is that causing overpopulation. Know what that means?
I’ll fight for the rights of “Christians” when they shut down websites like godhatesfags.com, and they do something about picketers at gay funerals, and even veterans.
There’s a reason “Christians” are being targeted, and I use quotes because many true Christians don’t behave like this and it’s not Christian like what these so-called “Christians are doing. “Christians” are imposing a threat on our society, just as well as the radicals of Muslim belief.
Live & let live. This means stop soliciting your religion, stop imposing your belief upon our “FREE” government and learn to ACCEPT your fellow man regardless of what your damn opinions are.
Yes, I am gay, and it should make no difference to you.
it doesn’t make any differene to me/us, but it will to you… eventually. God is the one who says homosexuality is an abomination, not Christians. feel free to read the Bible any time. WE didn’t write it. He is plain and clear about it.
i suppose, by your logic, that you will also support pedophiles and beastiality? because, after all, live and let live?
homosexuality has been FORCED on the general public and culture, FORCED. by an extremely small percentage of people.
IF Christians were able to “impose” our beliefs as homosexuals have, as you imply we are doing, then the whole WORLD would be saved by now.
i don’t see that happening, do you?
Hate the sin. Love the sinner.
Just a comment my friend. I am a Christian and do not hate gays ok., but the Bible says the practice of sexuality between 2 like adults is an really dislike by God and that is why He destroyed Sodom (for sodomy) and Gomorrah . God hate immorality between male and females that r not married as well. God also gives Christians and non Christians the right to choose their lifestyle OR to choose life after death thru accepting Christ into ones life and temple (the body) and in accepting Christ you must acknowledge that ones lifestyle is a sin to God so He can forgive you as only God can forgive sin. Christians as you can see are not perfect and r saved sinners so we as Christians need to repent daily as well. You must also believe that Christ rose from the dead. It is our faith as Christians and what the shed blood on the cross did that saves us from hell, NOT by our deeds or works, as it a a gift from God not of works. Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8,9,10.
hope that helps my friend. I struggle with looking at porn as i am not married. I ask God often to take that away from me and sometimes i go for weeks and months without. I am not perfect and u and i will never be so it is your choice and God gives u that freedom to choose cause He love all of us, But He created us in a very complex and Godly intellengence that even science today can only begin to understand jsut the tip of the iceberg. It has been said that just a pinhead of our DNA has enough info to fill volumes of books that would circle the globe 55 times around. MY friend , do you or anyone of you think that a God that created such a complexity like us humans would not even have a plan for us humans????????? The plan my friend was given to us in the OLD and New Testaments of the Bible. God personally delivered the fine details of that plan HIMSELF in the form we know as Jesus Christ, He was God and His advent to this planet was the most well attested fact in history and 2//3rd of the Worlds calendars still recall and practice daily remembering this His birth by the simple terminology of BC( before Christ and AD AFter God. Enough said, call Ed or call on HIM, Christ for the future of your soul in heaven rather thatn hell. U cannot blame Him as He gives you your freedom of choice, You can accept or reject His Plan or yours. God love you, Sincerely MTSFJESUS.
I am going to boycott Paypal ASAP and all my family and friends will do the same. If people cannot boycott it, they should use it as little as possible. What a bunch of vile and iniquitous people they are to promote tyrannical despotism..
I hope the people reading this also realize that religious repression and outright banishment is a hallmark of communism. As I recall, the USSR aka Russia would not allow people to attend church or engage in religious ceremonies. Just one more reason Americans need to be very concerned about this.
I agree that we should all be concerned. I also agree that Christians should be shown respect.
And I hope that people reading this realize, that historically, religious repression and outright banishment have been the hallmarks of religions, including Christianity. Anyone remember the escapades of Ferdinand and Isabella? How about the adventures of Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson in New England? Any Jews from the southern US states out there who have stories from the 20th century that they would like to share? Any simple working-class, law-abiding Muslim Americans who would like to remind us all just how vigorously the Christian community has defended their right to religious freedom during the last ten years?
Well, its divided we fall then.
The screws tighten. Its all over for the USA.
The devil is being allowed by the Lord to perform his evil as judgement upon the earth.
As the Bible says, when the Day of the Lord comes, God always judges His own people first, and then if it was that bad for His own people, how bad will it be for everyone else?
First they came for the communists,and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me,and there was no one left to speak out for me.
attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller
This is rather apropos. A man who writes a Christian Blog apparently offended a stranger who turned the law loose on him. The judge ordered him to turn over any and all firearms and ammo. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=349713
Hey, Michael-watch your back. You start getting too dogmatic and someone may gin up some complaints about how they were completely offended when they read something on your site and then stayed around to read more offensive stuff, which made them uber-offended, justifying the elimination of your civil rights.
Wow – I had not seen that story yet.
Things certainly are getting crazy out there.
Michael
You are all wrong. You should ready the whole Bible if you want to know God. Jesus and his followers quoited from it often. The statements in this document are incorrect. Christians tell the truth no matter what 9it costs them.
Nam Marine: “You can say anything you want. I received a Purple Heart in 1968 so that you CAN say whatever you want. I am also allowed to say what I think….”
Sorry you got wounded, but you weren’t fighting for my rights IN Vietnam
WM, Guido and Joe,
Christians are responsible for the sheer hatred people of other religions have towards them which is why they are openly abused in the Middle East where they live as minorities! This is also the reason as to why your historical places are being dug up and even burnt whilst your coreligionists look on helplessly! I have no sympathy for those who kill innocents…
The reason many Christian’s suffer as minorities is due to American invasions that are pereceived as Christian oppression and occupation…why not when your leaders like Bush openly use words like “crusade” against Muslims and Islam.
Listen up!!…there are over two billion passionate Muslims in the world and we ain’t going anywhere so live with it!. Moreover it’s a well known fact that the American military has many evangelists within infact these right wing Chrsitian fascists like Pat Robertson and those folk from GOD TV encourage the murder of innocent people for the creation of some fantasy in their heads.
Well Guido a Christian like you attacking Islam is similar to a prostitute preaching moral values! Christianity has blood on every page which is what your fake apostle Paul preached! You filty pig eaters have been killing people since the crusades followed by the millions of black Africans that were enslaved by your retarded cult for the creation of the USA!. That’s only to be expected from this white-man cult that any person with an ouce of commonsense can make a comedy movie out of!
There are many Christian retards who kill every day Guido only if you were to do some research! You don’t see Christians forcing there faith because you probably live in the west but it’s happening allover especially in Africa and India where food is used as a source of blackmail to convert innocent and ignorant villagers! See christianaggression.com and crusadewatch.org or shut your mouth!
Shows how ignorant you are in believing that Islam teaches death to non-Muslims, obviously you are unable to seperate politics from religious scripture and that from human nature! It’s your Christian cult that has blood on every page beginning with it’s violent philosophy of a man-God figure being torchered to death on some freakin’ cross!! What do you know about Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism or Buddhism that you believe for Christanity to be the true faith??? I have a degree in comparitive religion so know what iam talkin’ about!
Muslims want American military out of our nations and to stop interfering in our internal affairs! Until this continues the reaction to it will be your brothers and sisters in faith being persecuted in various forms not because Islam preaches this rather because revenge is a part of human nature!
Paul was a blood sucking vampire who preached the killing of innocent people to spread his racist cult of worshipping a white man to make other races feel inferior, how does that feel Guido and others!!!?? Hey if your people attack Muhammad then be prepared for the same in return!! As for the Prophet of Allah you can see what many intelligent and intellectual non-Muslims say about him on muhammad.net.
I’m sorry, but wasn’t it Islam that introduced slavery to Africa and other parts of the world? I could have sworn it was Islam that maintained slavery until at least 1969 when Sudan finally bowed down to international pressure-yet it was alleged it continued in some places, such as Saudi Arabia, to present day.
And killing innocents??? I could have sworn it was Muslims behind a majority of the world’s terrorist attacks over the last, what, 40 years? I’m sure the folks in Bali, Madrid, Mumbai, NY, London, Scotland, and many, many other places would beg to differ with you.
oh blah blah blah
you need to paraphrase if you really expect anyone to read your dribble.
oh, and perhaps a little less hatred would help as well.
actually, you should be banned, tehre are not 2 million Muslims by any stretch and your place in the USA nor Europe should not even be tolerated. That said, plenty of evidence Muhammed was deluded, even he questioned his messages.
That said, anyone that denies Christ is God and Lord is damned…so yes, you will be going somewhere, good luck with that….Islam is of the Devil, Christ has and will continue to conquer….guess the moderation is not too tight here….
Dear Inman,
I do as a Christian do sadly agree with you. We do have radicals and unjust Christians just as you have in your belief. I also believe that Our own Country sadly enough attacked the Twin Towers as U tube has some great stuff on that. What a shame for all of mankind. We are all sinners which that Bible teaches and comparative religions or other religions do not admit to sin or have no way of truly washing sins from oneself from a divine perspective. Only God dan forgive sins in His eyes thru the blood of Christ. God cannot see sin on mankind thru the blood of Christ as His blood covers our sin from Gods eyes. . Jesus really was God in human flesh thats why our sins are forgive but only if we ask Jesus into our live and temple(body) and ask Him to forgive our sins and belive He was raised from the dead after 3 days . We must have faith as before Christ ascended HE descended into Hell and took the keys of death from Satan thus overcoming death as a promise that all who belived in His name and confessed that Jesus was raised from he dead, You will e saved from the destruction of HEll. anyway God Bless you and i do not recall where Paul instructed to kill any one after His conversion from Saul to Paul. Yes before hand he was killing Christians but true Christianity does not say that anywhere in the Bibles new testament but unlike the Koran which calls all mankind as infidels and must be killed, right? mtsfJesus. Now U can reject or accept Christ for who He claimed to Be, God. OR reject Him and perish in Hell and Mohammad can not save you from Hell and he unfortunately is there now unless he accepted Him(Christ)(God). and Mohammad never rose from the dead as he had not power or death as Christ did and we today still remember His advent into the world as our calendars still remember 2000 years later as they say 2011 years after Christ AD/BC OR BC/AD BEFORE CHRIST; AFTER GOD. HUGS TO YOU MY FREIND.
Imran IS AN EXAMPLE OF MUSLIM HATRED. ALLAH & MOHAMMED THAT THEY SUPPOSEDLY PRAY TO IS SATAN HIMSELF…… THE QARAN NEVER ONCE MENTIONS LOVE. INSTEAD IT PROMOTES VIOLENCE AND HATRED AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT’S GOOD.
NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND STRAPS ON A BOMB AND BLOWS UP WOMEN AND CHILDREN…. IT’S A SICK MINDED PERSON AND A F..KED UP RELIGION.
ALLAH & MOHAMMED ARE SICK MINDED AND THEY LEAD THEIR PEOPLE NOT TO PARADISE, BUT STRAIGHT TO HELL.
Happy Camper,
…and you are an example of Christian ignorance because none of you people are read in other scriptures otherwise would have realised that the Qur’an mentions “love” many times! You can’t even spell correctly and write in capital letter’s making a fool of yourself on a public forum! What a sorry loser!
The screwed up religion is your man worshipping cult Christianity that has the most violent history making even Hitler look like a saint! Your military including many practising Christians are the biggest ******* kllers on the planet who have been at it for centuries..if you call resistence to be meaningless violence then so be it!!
Son, a filthy pig eater like you wouldn’t know the difference between night and day no thanks to the worms flying around in your head…you may as well eat slime of the sea!!
Imran, if you hate Americans and Christians and the West so much, (and if you’re not just a fake trolling for flames) then why are you lurking on a Christian-oriented American-based site with such a limited focus?
Most Christians are fake and phony, so, not really a good representation to the rest of the world and AMericans themselves should hate what they see/hear, as God does….3300 aborted a day, rampant sodomy,etc…thinks God ignores that as we are Americans? somehow e got immunity from His judgment? hating sin and evil should translate into working toward a truly Christian nation, not one under a vague “god”…
“American Society for the Defense of Traditional Family”.
if this is the Catholic group, then not weeping, for main fact they are very pro-Neocon…if not, then ignore…
“Big cable networks regularly feature “comedians” that love to mock Christians. For example, HBO “comedian” Bill Maher recently stated that “there’s a term for people who hate charity and love killing: Christian”.
actually, terrible is Maher is, he is on to something, as most Christians in the USA love Big buiz and are warmongering, GOP cheerleaders…look at Southern Baptists for one….they are most likely to wave the flag and supprot militarism..just ask Chuck Baldwin about them or Laurance Vance, both have attacked this rot in evangelical circles…..Vance esp.
“Almost 70 percent of the population of the world now lives in countries where religious activities are highly restricted.”
Mis-leading, some religious activities should be restricted-unless you believe in militant practcing of Hinduism (praying to false gods, who are demons), Islam, satanism, Wicca, Great thumb,etc
any religious practices that are contra-Christ should be restricted publicly and at times, privately….and no, not really caring what the indifferent deistic Mason “Founders” thought about it……their “every thing goes” has led to this collapse….they likely rotting in Hell.
Regarding #1, that means every Chabad Shliach (go to http://www.chabad.org to understand what means) will be a target too. Essentially there are many Orthodox Rabbis and lay people that host dozens, sometimes 50+ people for Shabbat dinners and Shabbad lunches and Holidays dinners and lunches, every week without fail. So will someone start cracking down on them too? This is a peaceful assembly in a private home! That Bible group was a peaceful assembly in a private home. BTW, Orthodox Jews also have their own study groups in private homes. So will out groups also be deemed illegal?
Sounds like the modern day King George is at it again, trying to get into private people’s homes just because he is the king. Well, these idiots that make up and uphold such laws need to be sued for billions of dollars for each instance they attempt to violate even one religious freedom!
And the one about engaging Muslims in talk in the streets is also illegal? Maybe the police closing down dozens of streets for Muslims should also be deemed illegal? It seems to me the whole world caters to the Muslims, while Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., are demonified.
The founding fathers would be sickened to death if they were to be alive today. America was a country build on Judeo-Christian beliefs, with the understanding that each man, woman and child is held responsible for their actions. But it is no more today.
It seems to me that only terrorists, hate-mongers, habitual sinners, etc., are given a Carte Blanche, while peaceful, loving, Bible-following people are terrorized, threatened, arrested, ridiculed, etc…
Where else do we have to hide in order to live a G-dly life? I welcome any comments.
I wish I could comment on all of them, because all of them make me furious! But allow me to comment one more: #10:
#10 Back on February 20, 2009, the State of Missouri issued a report entitled “MIAC Strategic Report: The Modern Militia Movement”. That report warned that the following types of people may be potential terrorists….
*anti-abortion activists
*those that are against illegal immigration
*those that consider the New World Order” to be a threat
*those that have a negative view of the United Nations
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I am anti-abortion, anti-illegal immigration, anti-NWO, and anti-UN…so come find me arrest me immediately, because I am guilty of the greatest crimes against mankind!
Gee wiz, if people like us lived in the 1950s, it would be mainstream to think like that. But today, we are treated liked criminals, before there is even a charge for a completely made up crime.
OK, one more…could not help myself:
Vaccines: Poison
Homeschooling: Gold
Guido,
To answer your query i would say that many Christians visit Islamic sites just to offend believers moreover don’t you American’s pride yourselves on freedom of speach or is that just for those who agree with your narrow minded views??
I am only visiting your website where as you American’s have occupied Muslim nations!!. Again your hypocrisy and double standards are exposed for any unbiased observer to see and laugh at!
This is more of a political not religious site where i am free to express my views otherwise they wouldn’t be published so live with it or ignore them! I am not a Christian hater but only attack your faith when you disrespect mine however i detest your nation and always have done!
Imran, I merely asked why you’re wasting your time at a place you don’t like full of people you hate? And you came in here attacking America, Americans, and Christianity first and spouting your ignorant, hateful rhetoric.
Winston and Guido,
Winston, you have trouble in reading otherwise would have realised that i said that there are over two billion Muslim’s in the world, i don’t know the number in your nation!
You can’t ban Islam in the west because in return the majority Muslim’s in the Middle East will openly destroy your holiest and historical shrines of the region whilst you look on helplessly! Your Christian family in majority Muslim lands will pay a massive price for your actions that your leaders are fully aware off!
Winston, i too insist that Paul was satan in human flesh suffering from a mental disorder in which he saw himself as a Prophet that he certainly was not! There are plenty of facts that support my claims of this individual who should rightfully be called as the greatest lier humanity has ever known and a racist who told fibs of God being a white man!
Christianity is a curse on humanity that must be destroyed otherwise it will take us all to the pit’s of hell giving Paul the fake Prophet what he wants! We see that Christians today are the most immoral people on earth largely due to the philosophy they follow!
Guido, Saudi and Sudan are majoritry Muslim nations but they don’t follow Islamic law, there is a massive difference. Islam liberated black people from slavery that Christianity enforced on them which is why we see so many of them reconverting to Islam from Muhammad Ali to Jermaine Jackson! Christianity has a history of slavery like i mentioned your nation was built on it so let’s stop talking rubbish!
Christianity is and always will be false…time will prove Islam to be the only correct faith and Christianity to be a man made religion that is much closer to satanism then peace!
You might want to try reading a book some time. Islam introduced slavery into Africa long before Europeans ever arrived. They engaged in the slave trade for over 1000 years. And it is well-known the last nations to ban slavery were Saudi and Sudan in the 1960s, although it was rumored to never have completely died out and Sudan is accused of having at least 200,000 Dinka tribesmen as slaves right now.
To say America was built on slavery is rather simplistic and merely points out your ignorance of the subject. And to accuse Christianity of slavery is laughable! At heart, Christianity is a religion OF slaves, not a religion that TAKES slaves.
There is a difference in reading a book and reading a one basec on a western perspective! No Islam did not introduce slavery rather it abolished it providing you understand those times! Next you’ll be asking why they didn’t have the internet 14 centuries back!!
There was slavery in Africa prior to Islam that is still effective in many parts especially those who continue to follow local customs.
At heart Christianity is the religion of guilt where Islam is of the proud! You need not worry about my educational qualifications instead do some travelling to broaden your own mind!
Guido,
There are many Christian’s responsible for terrible atrocities but if i were to mention them the mod will probably edit it out! When a Muslim kills his faith is held responsible and highlighted but when it’s a Christian his belief is not even mentioned by the gutter press!.That’s the difference only if you had the wisdom to see the bias of the western media!
Winston,
I can understand your jealousy but there are easily over two billion Muslim’s in the world and Islam is much more practised then Christianity is today that even the Catholic Pope accepts! The majority of European Christian’s are nominal to the core, hardly anyone in Europe practises Christianity and that is a FACT as much as it may hurt you! You obviously are not well travelled otherwise would have realised that Islam is the majority religion in almost seventy nations. See islamicpopulation.com or search google to clarify this!
I can understand that it enrages Chrsitian people but hey truth often does hurt!
Christian nations for example were fully responsible for the first TWO WORLD WARS and the killing of hundred’s of million’s of innocent people! No Muslim or non-Christian nation participated in this massive genocide yet we’re told that they were “word wars”…reality is that they were Christian’s murdering eachother or the Jews! They were CHRISTIAN WARS!
The anti-semetic Adolf Hitler who is one of history’s most despised leader’s was indeed a devout Christian. This is just one incident that violent Christianity has blessed the world with but really the list of Christian violence and occupation of foreign lands is endless.
Imran, your labeling Hitler as a devout Christian exposes your ignorance of many things including Christianity.
Your readers here including me are not new to Islam and Muslims who are perpetrators of hate. It is well documented that Muhammad spoked pot and frothed at his mouth and that the quaran describes the world’s creation as someone’s sperm gone wild and how men should beat their wives to submission. And how that Haddith book of yours reaching illiterate men was the beginning of so many acts of terrorism and killings in the name of Islam this century has seen.
You really don’t know what you’re talking about, do you? Hitler was not a Christian in any sense. Ignoring his occult leanings, interest in Nordic traditions, his love for Germanic myths, Hitler sent thousands of religious leaders to the camps.
And you really show your ignorance attempting to force WWII through your prism of religion. WWII was not a religious war. It was a war of survival fought all the way around the world and drawing on the resources of the entire planet. Every religion was represented, too. BTW-if it was a war of Christianity, how do you explain the presence of Muslims on both sides? There were Muslim Nazi soldiers, as well as Muslim Allied soldiers.
You’re telling a well travelled graduate that he doesn’t know what he’s on about! Don’t make a fool of yourself! Yes Hitler was indeed a Christian that is verified my many sources, google the subject to read some of them!
I didn’t say that world war’s were religious wars you idiot but Christian’s were far more involved then other other group pf people! Now you understand how Muslim’s feel when you people associate Islam with war!
Muslim’s were very much a minority compared to Christian’s…Muslim’s have mostly been victimes of Christian invasions that is even the case today!
Do you attend nursery school because you talk like an infant!
Guido,
Even today the majority USA/NATO Christian army have killed over TWO MILLION innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan alone!
So even if some Muslim was responsible for the killing of innocents in Scotland, Mumbai, Bali, 9/11 or Madrid the number of people killed was is way near what violent and blood thirtsy Christian’s have done or are doing!
Christianity the religion is responsible for this!
This is probably the most tediously offensive thread I’ve ever seen on this site. Imran is clearly no true Muslim, whatever he may claim. Why is it that everyone I’ve ever met who has studied “comparitive religions” at a Freemasonic institute of higher education comes away sounding so empty, angry and Godless? The answers will never come through manmade intellectual enlightment. They come through the Word and the Way of God.
Please understand, if you’re able to Imran, that America/NATO’s obscene wars have nothing to do with Jesus Christ. As you yourself say “obviously you are unable to seperate(sp) politics from religious scripture and that from human nature.”
Our leaders, just like the leaders of organizations like the so-called Muslim Brotherhood are “wolves in sheep’s clothing” who serve Satan, whatever they may claim.
And people like Winston, frothing with anger, so quick to dismiss so many as “rotting in hell,” do you really think Christ stands with you? How exactly are you loving your brother as yourself?
As Peter said in Acts 10:34/35 “I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him.”
Hatred, rage, racism and ridicule will have no place in God’s kingdom. Open your hearts and change your minds for the better.
Another couple of comments specificially for my brother Imran, and anyone else who professes to be Muslim…
I would have included them this morning but confess to not being so versed with the Qur’an as I am with the Bible.
A letter from the prophet in defense of the Christian monks at the monastary of Saint Catherine at mount Sinai, who were being persecuted by local Arabs…
“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them.
Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
The Muslims are to fight for them.
If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”
And from the Qur’an, 5:82…
“…thou wilt certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say, “We are Christians;” This because there among them are priests and monks and because they are not elated with pride.” This last line has also been translated as “This because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.”
and…
“Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).
Hopefully this is a help for you.
Your stunted view of the world insures you will never understand the real issues involved. You can’t look at the world through a religion-colored lens and expect to see everything, especially when the West is hardly religious.
Religion is all but dead in Western Europe and America is a Republic, not a theocracy. They do not act to further Christianity-otherwise, how do you explain our tolerance of Islam in our nation? The Middle East has no record of tolerance of other religions.
I don’t know where you get your 2 million # from, but it sounds like BS. Is that counting the enemy fighters, too? Those so-called innocents are responsible for a lot of bloodshed.
BTW-if you’re correct, how do you explain the Islamic governments of the Middle East and THEIR slaughter of their own peoples? Where does that fit into the equation?
Vancouver Mark,
Your comments should be addressed to people like Guido who believe that Islam is the source of every evil! You should be telling him of Islamic tolerance and great contribution to civilisation and human thought…that how mighty Muhammad was if he can understand that fourteen centuries back life in Arabia was very different to today’s NYC!!!
Verily, i am a Muslim who only attacks Christianity when they do my faith! Islam is so deep that it’s knowledge only increases…it is by all means perfect where as Muslim’s are not!!
Guido,
I am glad that you can accept the collapse of Christianity in the west but it goes beyond that because western society is morally bankrupt and for that you don’t need to be religious whatsoever!! You demonise Islam in your nation at every opportunity which is not tolerance to me!
As for the Middle East there exist million’s of Arab Christians and Jews in the region and the holiest sites in Christendom ard in the Muslim majority Middle East that continue to thrive that indeed is tolerance!
To you every critisism of the USA is BS so i am not surprised with your silly comments! My views are based on authentic sources and independent websites where as yours are probably in the NY times and coperative media! Wake up and smell reality before it smells you!
Middle Eastern leaders are western puppets put there by the west to serve them! They’re killing their people to remain in power therefore the whole thing is political not religious!
Reality is that your country is collapsing under it’s own sin and rightly so! You continue to speak in ignorance because it’s already too late to save people like you! People like you need a shrink more then anything else!
Imran –
I directed comment specifically to you because you had repeatedly insulted my Christian faith and called me (by association) a “filthy pig-eater” among other slurs. You also spoke against the word of the Prophet and thus you perpetuate negative and dangerous prejudice against Muslims.
Rather than lash back with anger and insults as others (and you) have done so much on this thread, I took the time to find words from Prophet Muhammed himself that specifically counter your messages of hate.
I notice that you completely disregard the passages I cited. Did your Freemasonic classes in “comparative religion” teach you to ignore God’s word?? As a self-proclaimed “Muslim” should you so obviously oppose the directives of the Prophet? Perhaps you feel that you know the mind of Allah better than he did…?
I suggest you read my previous comment again, contemplate the message, and then respond with at least a modicum of intellect and basic respect, specifically responding to the passages cited rather than pointing yellow fingers at others or hurling more gutter slurs.
If you choose not to respond in such a calm and cogent righteous way, I will know that you are definitely no Muslim, but just another ugly little troll serving the Dajjal/ Anti-Christ.
Back to you, my brother.
VM,
Well eating pig meat is indeed filthy so deal with it though i realise that your gospel doesn’t support this act! My anti-Christian views are a direct response to your Christian’s brother’s attacking Islam so either condemn both or remain silent, there is no need to show double standards!
Christian’s more then Muslim’s follow freemason’s so keep such silly sarcastic forms of humour to yourself, i don’t find it alluring!
You looking upon me as a Muslim or not is totally irrelevent to me as if i am here to satisfy you…NOT!! As i have stated before that i agree with your Quranic quotes that indeed is a revelation for entire mankind so there is nothing more to say on this matter, you need not worry about my blood pressure either as i am perfectly calm and under no danger from coollapsing, inshallah!
There are many people…both Muslim’s and Christian’s who believe that Adolf Hitler was indeed a Christian who believed in original sin, trinity and Christ being the literal son of God! You can google this subject to read some articles. My response is thoughtful only that you’re unable to contemplate it!
Yes, George Bush indeed is a Christian too!
And, sorry to belabour the point, I know I’m ranting a bit, but note that just as I quoted God’s word from the Qur’an as well as the Prophet’s letter regarding Christians, I also quoted the apostle Peter’s insights regarding the universality of true believers.
I believe very strongly that there are two, and only two, groups of people in this world, those who believe in the one God and those who do not. Trust me, as a God-fearing and -loving Christian I have far more in common with a pious Muslim than I do with someone like George Bush, however often he may call himself “born again.”
When you do things like referring to Hitler as a devout Christian you show a colossal ignorance and/or a willful contempt for the words of Christ. And in doing that, you offend all believers, both Christian and Muslim.
Still looking forward to a thoughtful response..
VM,
Continue to be offended until the end of time for i care little and yes i believe in my heart that Hitler was a Christian just like Osama Bin Laden is/was a Muslim….who didn’t follow Islamic teachings! I won’t deny my conscience!
You’re a typical self-righteous Christian who doesn’t know what he’s on about and no we don’t believe in the same ALLAH whatsoever! Muslims have much more common with the Jews in the sense that we both believe in the one ALLAH, have simailar ways of performing prayer and both eat koshar/halal!
I consider Christian with their weird belief of trinity to be unbelievers nevertheless you’re entitled to your opinion only don’t insist that we’re one in our belief! Christian’s do not consider Muhammad to be a true Prophet where as i reject Paul and all your other saints equally!
I consider the Torah not the Bible to have divine decree where as Christians reject the Qur’an so there are plenty off differences if only you pondered! Christian’s to be exact believe in a 3 in 1 God!!
Awsesome stuff here guys – but I’m happy to announce this meeing of “minds” (and I use that term ever-so-loosely) is a draw. Ratbag Christian wingnuts nil. Ratbag Muslim guy nil. If any of you clown school rejects ever thought they had a chance of winning any argument against the opposition – rest assured you has about as much chance as you did of convincing me. Faith is making a virtue of not thinking, not reasoning, not demanding evidence. Americans – FFS travel the world and get your heads out of the Fox news bubble. How you guys live with all the cognitive dissonance truly astounds me. Do yourselves a favour and everytime you hear the words “The Lord is my shepherd” ask yourself if you’re truly happy being sheep. The box is paper thin people. Wet paper at that.
Atheist dictators killed millions of people over the past century, which is less than the number killed during the black plague, crusades and smallpox outbreak during the dark ages, but whatever, and murdered hundreds of thousands in an effort to eradicate religion itself, because, you know, mass murder is the inevitable result when a community becomes too intolerant of outlandish dogmas and too fond of critical thinking.
You the atheist, of course, will respond that “BUT DUDE STALIN DIDN’T KILL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM HE KILLED THEM IN THE NAME OF COMMUNISM!!!!11″, as though Communism’s status as an atheistic philosophy had nothing to do with persecuting theists. It’s sort of like saying “THE KKK DIDN’T LYNCH PEOPLE FOR BEING BLACK THEY LYNCHED THEM FOR NOT BEING WHITE!!!”
Surely, if evolution was not guided by a God, then we would not have evolved minds geared toward truth, only survival. In that case, where do you get off making blanket statements about the nature of the universe?
If emotions are nothing but chemical reactions and there is no afterlife then there really is no reason why someone should not kill themselves over small matters like losing an ipod.
I’m an atheist. I do believe in evolution and I am pro-choice. While most people would believe that seeing Christianity oppressed would make me happy due to my personal views – all it does is sicken me. Our country allows freedom of religion, meaning that I can go about my life choosing not to worship any particular God, as well as Christians have EVERY right to worship and preach their views. The liberty in this country is quickly fleeting.
When someone hands me a religious pamphlet I politely take it and thank them. There’s no need to be rude or arrest anyone – they are not being aggressive by handing out a piece of paper. It’s not like they’re forcing me at gunpoint to read it. It’s really not a big enough deal for anyone to cause a commotion over it, especially to arrest someone. As Americans there are certainly things we won’t always agree on – like religion. But even as an Atheist, it angers me to see that my friends and family members that are Christian are quickly losing their rights to lead their lives as they see fit. We need equal freedom for everyone. The government really should just stay out of this one. There’s no need to fight, or oppress or discriminate. Let people worship, or not worship – it is our individual right to choose.