18 Examples Of How Christians Are Being Specifically Targeted By Big Brother

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When the freedom of speech of one group is being threatened, it is a threat to all of us.  Just because you may not be a Christian, don’t think that what you are about to read is not a problem for you as well.  The truth is that any individual or group that does not “fit in” with the new “politically-correct” global system that is emerging is going to be persecuted sooner or later.  In our society today, it has become quite fashionable to bash Christians.  In fact, I am quite certain that some of the comments that get left after this article will say really horrible things about Christians.  But after “Big Brother” is done with the Christians, are you sure that they will not come after you next?  When I speak of “Big Brother”, I am not just speaking of the government.  In today’s world, giant corporations and the mainstream media also play instrumental roles in the totalitarian police state prison grid that is being constructed all around us.  The elite control the government, they run nearly all of the major corporations and they own most of the major media outlets.  Anyone that does not “conform” to their system is a threat.  As time goes by, the persecution of those that attempt to “rebel” against their system is only going to become more intense.


So if you are not a Christian, do not applaud when the system cracks down on Bible-believing Christians.

You never know, you might be next.

The following are 18 examples of how Christians are being specifically targeted by “Big Brother”….

#1 Home Bible studies are now banned in the city of San Juan Capistrano, California.  According to city officials, regular gatherings “of more than three people” in private homes are simply not allowed.  One couple that has held home Bible studies for years has already been fined twice and is being threatened with even more fines.

#2 Paypal has initiated “formal investigations” of a large number of Christian websites and organizations.  Apparently, many of these investigations have been launched due to concerns that these websites and organizations do not hold to a “politically-correct” view of sexuality.

According to WorldNetDaily, Paypal has targeted include Americans For Truth, Last Days Watchman and a host of other Christian organizations including “Abiding Truth Ministries, New Generation Ministries, Noua Dreapta of Romania, Truth in Action Ministries, Dove World Outreach, Faith Word Baptist Church, Family Research Institute and American Society for the Defense of Traditional Family”.

#3 In Wichita, Kansas last year, a Christian minister was handcuffed and hauled off to jail by police for sharing the gospel and handing out tracts to Muslims on a public sidewalk.  Apparently freedom of speech does not apply on the public sidewalks of America any longer.

#4 In the UK, police recently threatened a cafe owner with arrest for silently playing a Bible DVD on a small television on the back wall of his cafe.  The following is an excerpt from a Daily Mail article about this incident….

Mr Murray, 31, was left shocked after he was questioned for nearly an hour by the officers, who arrived unannounced at the premises.

He said he had turned off the Bible DVD after an ‘aggressive inquisition’ during which he thought he was going to be arrested and ‘frog-marched out of the cafe like a criminal’.

#5 Last year, a high school student in Southern California was suspended for two days because he had private conversations with his classmates during which he discussed Christianity.  He was also banned from bringing his Bible to school ever again.

#6 Big cable networks regularly feature “comedians” that love to mock Christians.  For example, HBO “comedian” Bill Maher recently stated that “there’s a term for people who hate charity and love killing: Christian“.

If that had been said about another minority group, it would have made front page headlines for weeks.

#7 Down in Texas, the Department of Veteran Affairs actually tried to ban prayers that include the words “God” or “Jesus” during funeral services for veterans.

#8 In North Carolina last year, a pastor was dismissed from his chaplain duties for praying in the name of Jesus.

#9 An unclassified Department of Homeland Security report published a couple years ago entitled “Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” claims that a belief in Bible prophecy “could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons.”  The report goes on to state that such people are potentially dangerous.

#10 Back on February 20, 2009, the State of Missouri issued a report entitled “MIAC Strategic Report: The Modern Militia Movement“.  That report warned that the following types of people may be potential terrorists….

*anti-abortion activists

*those that are against illegal immigration

*those that consider “the New World Order” to be a threat

*those that have a negative view of the United Nations

#11 All over the nation, “child protection agencies” are ripping an inordinate number of children out of Christian homes.  In many of these cases the parents believe in homeschooling their children or they do not believe in having their children vaccinated.

#12 On June 18, 2010 two Christians decided that they would peacefully pass out copies of the gospel of John on a public sidewalk outside a public Islamic festival in Dearborn, Michigan and within three minutes 8 police officers surrounded them and placed them under arrest.

#13 A Christian consultant was recently fired by Bank of America and by Cisco because they discovered a book that he had written that expressed Christian viewpoints about social issues.

#14 A while back, a federal judge actually ruled that the University of California can deny course credit to applicants from Christian high schools that use textbooks that teach that it was God who created the earth.

#15 Back in 2009, one 8 year old boy in Massachusetts was sent home from school and was forced to undergo a psychological evaluation because he drew a picture of Jesus on the cross.

#16 The Obama administration has announced that there is a whole host of laws that it will not be enforcing, but one thing that the Obama administration has chosen to do is to aggressively pursue lawsuits against anti-abortion protesters.

#17 During a Congressional hearing earlier this year, U.S. Representative Sheila Jackson Lee warned that “Christian militants” might try to “bring down the country” and that such groups need to be investigated.

#18 According to a shocking FBI document obtained by Oath Keepers, the FBI definition of “suspicious activity” now includes making “extreme religious statements” and believing in “radical theology“.

The good news is that there still is at least a limited amount of religious freedom in America.  It may soon be gone, but at least we are in better shape than most of the globe.

Almost 70 percent of the population of the world now lives in countries where religious activities are highly restricted.

The sad truth is that the entire planet is moving away from freedom of religion.

That is a right that we are supposed to be guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution, but it should be obvious to everyone that our right to religious freedom is rapidly dying.

If you are not religious, don’t think that you should not be fighting for religious freedom along with the rest of us.

Once they take some of our rights away, it will be much easier for them to take all the rest of our rights away.

United we stand, or divided we will fall.


  • Tim

    “In fact, I am quite certain that some of the comments that get left after this article will say really horrible things about Christians.”

    You ought not post any such comments. If it means less hits to this site in the future, so be it. The Lord will make up for it.

    • Michael


      You should see the stuff I have to censor out. But in general I try to let the debate flow. I think more good will be done if people feel like they are able to say what is on their mind.





        And I am one of those who truly believes in saying what is on his mind. And yes, some of my postings here have been censored. But to the point of the article, I have to ask the question and that is: What are “christians” complaining about? I am totally serious when I ask this because look at the history of the Asylum States of Amerika. Look at all the different groups of people who have been targeted, discriminated against, had draconian, oppressive, and brutal economic, judicial, and law enforcement measures used against them.

        Native Americans, blacks with slavery, the unnecessary civil war fireburning of the south by Sherman, Bull Connor and his regime of civil rights crackdowns on blacks during the 60s, hatred, scapegoating, and hunting of gays and immigrants during the 90s, and most recently Arabs/Muslims after Sept 11 2001, and so forth and so forth. Now it is simply the “christians” turn at the guillotine. The governmental and banking control freaks and their goons in law enforcement who are simply the enforcers for these crime bosses are simply “expanding the victim base”. They are doing what all control freaks in all empires do at every stage and that is searching for new victims to victimize. Real christians should have stood up long ago and decried, villified, and rebelled against this oppression of other groups because any honest historian would have told them that at some point they would be next on the list to be victimized. But hey, they know now and now the question has to be asked, what, if anything, do they intend to do about it? Will the band together with other oppressed groups to “fight the power” of the control freaks or will they continue to ally themselves with the republican party and other so called conservatives to outlaw abortion, blow up abortion clinics, and outlaw gay marriage? Being a rational thinking person, Rational people would conclude that this is a no-brainer…………

  • Religion is a private matter

    I tell you what – if you can get these “Christians” to stop shoving their religious beliefs down everyone’s throats I will stop punching them in the face when they begin a sentence with “I’m a Christian.”

    • Michael

      Punching people in the face is not nice.


    • Colin


    • Emily

      Michael’s right on this one: punching people in the face is not nice. Really, though, it just lends to the persecution complex that many mainstream Christians hold. I am a University student, and I have nothing against people believing in God and feeling as though their mission is to spread God’s light, &c. I do feel, though, like this article is just reinforcing a modern persecution complex that I’ve already mentioned. It’s not like They (that big They to whom the author keeps referring) are removing “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance, though some schools elect not to use it, and it’s not like They are removing one’s right to free speech. What they are doing is protecting the rights of another religious group in a scene that amounts to harassment. I don’t go to a church on Sunday – a public gathering – and pass out pamphlets on Allah, Budda, Taoism, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster out of respect to Christian beliefs. And yet, here’s the exact text from your article:

      #3 In Wichita, Kansas last year, a Christian minister was handcuffed and hauled off to jail by police for sharing the gospel and handing out tracts to Muslims on a public sidewalk. Apparently freedom of speech does not apply on the public sidewalks of America any longer.

      #12 On June 18, 2010 two Christians decided that they would peacefully pass out copies of the gospel of John on a public sidewalk outside a public Islamic festival in Dearborn, Michigan and within three minutes 8 police officers surrounded them and placed them under arrest.

      I know for a fact that if I walked in to a church or an Easter sunrise service handing out pamphlets promoting another religion, I’d be hauled away in handcuffs because that is tantamount to harassing someone and infringing on their right to freedom of religion.

      I’d also like to point out that just because there are less of them, doesn’t mean there are no Christian terrorists. They even have their own Wikipedia article here. I’d also like to point out terrorist groups that use God as a justification, even though it’s incorrect. God’s Army in Africa is one extremely notorious group at the moment.

      Also, some of these facts are a little inflated. Let’s look at the original articles linked, shall we?

      #1 Home Bible studies are now banned in the city of San Juan Capistrano, California. According to city officials, regular gatherings “of more than three people” in private homes are simply not allowed. One couple that has held home Bible studies for years has already been fined twice and is being threatened with even more fines.

      What do the articles behind it say?

      From the first article:

      The San Juan Capistrano city manager denies that the citations were issued because the meetings were Bible studies, and told CP that the citations were issued because the couple was having regular gatherings of 50 or more people. The Fromms have paid $100 and $200 fines for the citations and have been told they will be fined an additional $500 if they continue to hold the gatherings.

      “The issue with the Fromm case involves the question of when a property developed for residential use has been transformed into a place of public assembly,” she said.

      Salcedo also referenced additions to the zoning laws that referred to “the gathering together of 50 or more persons for such purposes as meetings, conferences, education, training, worship, or other similar purposes.”

      From the second:

      However, district attorney Omar Sandoval said, “The Fromm case further involves regular meetings on Sunday mornings and Thursday afternoons with up to 50 people, with impacts on the residential neighborhood on street access and parking.”

      And about Paypal?

      #2 Paypal has initiated “formal investigations” of a large number of Christian websites and organizations. Apparently, many of these investigations have been launched due to concerns that these websites and organizations do not hold to a “politically-correct” view of sexuality.

      According to WorldNetDaily, Paypal has targeted include Americans For Truth, Last Days Watchman and a host of other Christian organizations including “Abiding Truth Ministries, New Generation Ministries, Noua Dreapta of Romania, Truth in Action Ministries, Dove World Outreach, Faith Word Baptist Church, Family Research Institute and American Society for the Defense of Traditional Family”.

      From the article linked:

      The demands from PayPal came in the form of a questionnaire that required the site operators to explain the PayPal button on their site and “the purpose … of collecting these donations.”

      PayPal, which returned a WND request for comment on the “hate” campaign against the Christian organizations but said it did not have a statement prepared, also wanted to know how PayPal would be used as a payment provider and whether the organization has “registered” tax-exempt status.

      Oh! And it wasn’t just against Christian foundations:

      Popular activist, author and blogger Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs, who has also helped found the Freedom Defense Initiative and Stop Islamization of America, reported getting intimidating letters from PayPal that claimed the websites “promote hate” and “racial intolerance.”

      According to Geller, PayPal sent her letters explaining the websites had violated the company’s policy, which bans use of PayPal for items that “promote hate, violence, racial intolerance or the financial exploitation of a crime.”

      In order to comply, Geller reported, she was required to remove PayPal as a payment option from her websites, as well as all references to the company, its logo and shopping-cart features.

      She later reported an executive with the company called and explained the decision was in error and that financial services to the websites could resume.

      Look! They let her go about her way after the investigation was done.

      Honestly, looking into all 18 was too much trouble. But these 3 satisfied me well enough.

      Good day, sir.

      • lone survivor

        Just wait until they get sick or some family member falls ill. What will they say? Please GOD help me or help my family member get well.
        I am a Christian and believe in GOD and in the BIBLE, it is GOD’s written word!

        • Mikey

          You’re an ass. It’s that simple.

      • Josh

        Just a couple of things.

        I know for a fact that if I walked in to a church or an Easter sunrise service handing out pamphlets promoting another religion, I’d be hauled away in handcuffs because that is tantamount to harassing someone and infringing on their right to freedom of religion.

        The point being made in the instances was that they were both in PUBLIC places. A public sidewalk is a tax-paid public domain on which as long as no laws are being broken (which none were in both cases) and the peace is not being disturbed, they were doing no wrong. Had they have been naked, they could have been arrested for indecent exposure. If they were causing fights or raising their voices, they could have been arrested for disturbing the peace. They were doing no such thing. They were passing out information about their religion that people were free to take or decline as they so wished. This is an ESSENTIAL practice of freedom of religion that is protected under the Constitution.

        A church, however, is a PRIVATE establishment. They are not owned by the government, and thus they are not “public gatherings”. They are “open gatherings” meaning most churches welcome any and all who choose to come. However, should one choose to enter a private establishment and proceed to harass the patrons, the owners or caretakers of that establishment would have every right to ask you to leave or (should you choose to stay despite that request) have you arrested for trespassing. These people were not “going into a mosque” and handing out tracts. They were doing so in a public forum, on public property, and had every right to do so. If they had been on private property, been asked to leave and refused to comply, THEN there would have been completely justified and legal grounds to arrest them.

        I’d also like to point out that just because there are less of them, doesn’t mean there are no Christian terrorists. They even have their own Wikipedia article here.

        Well obviously, if it’s on Wikipedia, then it must be true. :P There are “terrorist” groups of ALL kinds, including gays, middle-class whites, Romanians, Canadians, hippies, Republicans, Hindis, etc. Just saying. :)

      • SturJen

        I stopped reading your rant after “I’m a University Student” which reads to people like me:”I’ve paid a lot of money to be indoctrinated into hating anyone that my professors tell me to.”

        The rest of your diatribe? TL DR
        Didn’t your handlers @ University teach you to be brief?

    • I once had a Xtian break a business deal because Jesus spoke to his heart, apparently Jesus told him that riping some one off for $5000 was OK with Jesus.

      I don’t blame Jesus any more than I would blame Skelator or Godzilla.

      But those who always have to tell you that they are Xtian as having some kind of moral relevance are the ones that I can’t take.


    • WM

      Religion is a private matter: If you had a disease and I had a cure for it that I knew could help you, would you not want me to share it with you? The reason Christians “shove their beliefs down your throat” as you say, is very simple. You must understand where they are coming from first. They believe that the Bible is the revelation from the creator God to human kind spoken through prophets and people as God used them. They believe that Jesus is the savior and that everyone needs to be saved from “the wrath to come”. They believe that there is ” No Name under heaven in which men can be saved” and that “unless you are born again, you will not inherit the kingdom” and also that Jesus Christ is “The Way, The Truth and the Life, and no one comes to the father except throuigh him”. They believe that God is a loving God, but also a very Holy , righteous judge who will judge everyone one day, and if your name is not in the Book Of Life, you will be cast into Hell.

      So you see, If everything they believe is true, then you should be glad that some Christian loves you enough to tell you the Truth about how to get right with God and have eternal life in Heaven through Jesus Christ.

      If you view sharing the life giving faith to you so you can be saved from Hell, as “shoving it down your throat”, then you are misunderstanding the motive behind a true believer in Christ when they share message of the Bible with you.

      • Mikey

        WM, I think you misunderstand. Yes, I agree that humans have an innate tendency to share good news (and if that good news is the gospel, and you are a believer, sure, I can understand the imperative to share that news). However, I believe the author of the earlier post had something different in mind when s/he wrote of Xtians who “shove their religion down other people’s throats”. At least I know I have something other than sharing good news in mind when I discuss the way I see Xtians shoving their shit down my throat. Simply stated Xtians use their religion as the bully pulpit to influence civic affairs in a way that infringes on the lives of many citizens who do not share their religion or religious view. Our country has been infected with this Xtian attitude that certain persons need not be treated with equality under the law (i.e., gay men and lesbians), or that other persons are entitled to preferential treatment because they are in consonance with the Xtian mindset (generally, heterosexuals, and certainly ‘religous’ organizations that are set up as tax exempt corporations while their sole purpose is to influence civic affairs).

        As a former seminarian, I am completely in favor of religious liberty. However, a bedrock principle this country is founded upon is the freedom from religion. When religion taints the way in which citizens are treated before the law, something is fundamentally wrong.

        Last point – the nonsense at the start of this discussion (the 18 points) is emblematic of the type of discourse put forth by the ignorant religious masses today (Xtian, Jewish, Muslim). Ignore the truth, twist the facts and you create a new truth that the speaker demands must be accepted. The level of intellignet discourse in this country has sunk to a new low. It is disheartening and will ultimately undermine our society.

        • Keri

          “a bedrock principle this country is founded upon is the freedom from religion.” You do not have freedom from religion, you have freedom of religion. Big difference. Please read the Constitution and stop quoting from what you heard.

    • Marilynn

      “I tell you what – if you can get these “Christians” to stop shoving their religious beliefs down everyone’s throats I will stop punching them in the face when they begin a sentence with “I’m a Christian.””

      I’ll tell you what, Religion is etc., if YOU can get atheists to stop shoving THEIR religious beliefs down MY throat I’ll keel over in astonishment. I state that I am a Christian AFTER these True Believers in Nothing-After-Death start in on me with their nihilist doctrine. I even had one use the term “convert” when he declared his intention to convince me there was no God. Another joker was going on about Nibiru when I made the offhand comment “Well, I’m Christian, so I don’t pay attention to that stuff.” Mr. Nibiru saw no irony in mocking MY beliefs after HIS solemn declaration that Nibiru had arrived. All Hail Nibiru! Sheesh…

    • Erik Lundrbeck

      In what ways are Christians shoving their beliefs down your throat?



      Straight to the point I was making. It seems that all extremes (especially the religious extremes) attempt to use the government as an anvil to crackdown on and smash other groups they find offensive. This has to end, one way or another.


      Religion is a private matter,

      With what radical christian dominionists, islamists, judaists, hindus, etc., are doing inside and outside of government, I think they deserve far more than just a mere “punch in the face”…………….

  • Christians in other countries WISH they had these minor problems.

    Christians are being killed in other countries every day.

    These 18 examples are a concern, and I believe that the persecution in America will get much worse… but let’s keep perspective here and pray for believers across the world.

    • pB

      In Indonesia for example, provocateurs with ties the the Military, and (you guessed it) the CIA/Mossad nexus go off and bomb Christian churches saying the Muslims did it, then bomb Mosques saying it was the Christians that did it. Divide and rule, and the people bite every time, letting them get away with it.

    • Nexus789

      So are people with other beliefs.

    • Toofar

      Oh yes, let’s pray. It’s not like Christians haven’t spent centuries killing non-christians for their beliefs. Get off the cross because someone needs the wood – better yet, grab a history book and read all the death and destruction Christian and other Arbahamic religions have caused.

      • WM

        Hey, show me in those history books of yours whether it was true, Biblical Christians that did all this killing you mentioned, or was it the Roman Catholic church who killed millions???? There is a HUGE difference between the two, and too often people like yourself are ignorant to the fact the RC church is not Christian at all (check me out on this) and that the word “Christian” is thrown around too much, and abused today thus causing many people to think that Christians were behind the killing and pillaging done in the name of Christ. The fact is, the RC church killed thousands and thousands of true Christians, ( followers of the Lord Jesus Christ) throughout the centuries.

        Sorry to ramble, but this really irritates me when thius misinformation is construed as fact.

        Christianity is the true religion of peace, No where will you find Jesus or the apostles ever strongarming or persecuting someone to convert to the faith.

      • Guido

        Cynical and sarcastic and totally off the mark. Western Christianity went through this thing called The Reformation. The Church had shot its wad on trying to run the world and suddenly, they lost their legitimacy. Since then, they’ve had to work real hard to clean up their act.

        Of course, you can’t invalidate a religious faith, just because the rulers and self-aggrandizing crooks perverted the church to serve their own ends.

        Non-Christians and anti-religious people like to poke at Christianity for the Crusades-but those were hundreds of years ago. They were also a tool of the ruling elite to gain power, wealth, and get rid of a lot of surplus people.

        Anymore, when a Christian talks about a crusade, it’s a crusade to help people. No church is preaching the liberation of the Holy Land and the subjugation of the Moores. Can you deny the incredible amount of charity work Christians have undertaken in the world? Food, medicine, clothing, shelter, infrastructure, literacy, education, etc. Are all those good deeds meaningless because some believers are Aholes?

        Finally, religion is like weightlifting. It’s individual and every person has their own level of accomplishment in their own life. It is not a monolithic faith-there are as many flavors as believers.

        You can not judge each Christian to be the exact same as the guy caught trying to bomb an abortion clinic. The folks who do wrong in the name of God are still wrong. They’re no different from secular folks who do wrong.

        Personally, I think many Christians do stupid things out of misguided belief they are doing the right thing. I think they damage the faith for everyone. I think Carlin was right when he suggested God probably hates it when things are done in his name.

        I’ve even dealt with it personally. I was yelled at by a well-meaning, but misguided, woman for standing in the New Age section at a bookstore. (I think I was looking for a book on UFOs or ghosts or something.) After I told her to get off my back, she didn’t know anything about me, she apologized.

        That woman was a flake, but she didn’t overturn and invalidate two thousand years of Christian faith tradition for me by acting like a fool. By the same token, are all Americans evil because Lt. Calley torched a village in Vietnam? Or because the US was once a slave-owning nation?

      • Toofar, you’re right, in that the Roman Catholic Church has killed millions and millions of non-Christians and Christians.

        But the RCC is apostate and a Christian facade. They don’t represent Jesus. They represent themselves and their religion of beliefs and rules.

        The Fuel Project videos provide information about religions and the New World Order, including videos on the RCC.


  • “The elite control the government, they run nearly all of the major corporations and they own most of the major media outlets. ”

    The elite who control the world’s banks, worship Lucifer, who opposes and wars against God and Christians.

    That is why Christians and Jews are the most persecuted people in the world.

    And when the elite push the economy to a one-world financial system, they will dramatically increase their persecution, because they will be able to cut off water and food to anyone who doesn’t worship their god, Lucifer.

    • pB

      I wouldn’t exactly put Jews and Christians on the same level as regards persecution. Completely different circumstances. Hardly a shared experience of persecution.

      • Actually, if you examine it based on true historical data, it’s pretty comparable.

      • alien

        During the Holocaust there were approximately 6 million Jews murdered. There were approximately 15 million murdered in total during the Holocaust. Who made up the difference? The rest were predominantly Protestant Christians. You are not very well informed as that was exactly a shared experience of persecution.

  • WM

    Another great article!!! I have been telling fellow believers for 15 years now that persecution would be in America before we know it, and it is here and is increasing. Too many have deceived into thinking that America is somehow protected or that our freedoms would never allow Christians to be persecuted. Jesus told us very clearly that persecution is to be expected if one would follow him., ( Jn. 15:18-21, Matthew 5:11, Matthew 10:21-22, Matthew 24:8-14, Mark 13:11-13, 1 John 3:13)
    If this increasing persecution against Christianity surprises you, then perhaps you have been a victim of the modern “peace and prosperity” gospel, which is no gospel at all. Perhaps you were preached that God has a “ wonderful plan for your life”, or that you can live “Your Best Life Now”? In other words, perhaps you thought that becoming a Christian would be living a life of no problems walking in the favor of God. The scriptures record many stories of people who walked with God but had difficult times in this life. Most of the apostles were killed violently for their faith in Christ. If we truly want to follow Christ, then we had better expect troubled times, as there is a battle raging, and I believe as we get closer to the end it is going to be more intense.

    • Michael

      One popular television preacher has a new book out that tells us all how every day can be a Friday.

      Hopefully people are waking up to the reality of what is coming.


      • Highspeedloafer

        The people who follow that guy are in for a rude awakening. He should write a book called, “Christianity Lite”.

    • JOY


  • In John 15:20, Jesus said “If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you.”

    In Matt 5:11 Jesus said “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.

    In Matt 5:44, Jesus said “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.”

    • Tee Jordan

      Amen David…

      I think that the american church has to go through persecution. And the reason is to separate the sheep from the goats… to divide the true christians from the pseudo ones.

      • Melinda

        I think you are right. I think it’s going to get worse before it gets better. I only pray that I have the strength to stay strong in faith to get through it.

  • Pamela

    As usual this blog is spot on. Get Michael Youseff’s new book “When the Crosses are Gone.”

    • Michael

      I really like Michael Youseff. He is very solid.


  • JD

    I heard a story about Nazi Germany from a Holocaust survivor on the Michael Savage Show.

    “When they came for the Communists, I did not care because I wasnt a Communist.”

    “When they came for the Jews, I did not care because I wasnt Jewish.”

    “When they came for the Christians, I did not care because I wasnt a Christian.”

    “When they came for Me, there was no one left to defend Me.”

    I not 100% on the groups but you get the point. When the government picks out a group to systematically destroy, we should all be concerned. What makes you think that you wont be their scapegoat next time. The government wants us to be a secular society. If you can throw out the morals of a nation, the populace will be capable of doing anything. Ever nptioce that what was once bad is considered good, and vice versa? If the government can destroy our view of human life they we will no longer respect it. I see the commercials for abused dogs and cats more than I see ones for starving children in Africa. They want to equate animal life even above Human. I love animals dont get me wrong, but a human life is more precious. The government dosent want a nation of strong families either. First they attacked the father, diminishing his role through welfare. Then the mother, then finally the children. When we are weak morally as a society, we are doomed to repeat the history of the Roman Empire. The family dosent stay together anymore. You put your parents into nursing homes, and toss them away like garbage. Bottom line, when the government destroys how people treat each other, they are eaiser to control. They want us all dependent on them like they are our god instead of trusting in an infinite God.

    • Guido

      I believe it was Pastor Niemoller. He changed the quote several times over the years, so you can feel free to, as well.

    • George Kadlec

      The actual quote was:

      “First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.”

  • Gary2

    Michael-with the tea baggers and republicans claiming to be the representation of Christianity its no wonder it is getting a bad name. Clapping at executions/letting people die due to no health insurance?? Tax cuts to the rich and program cuts that help the poor?

    Jesus says many times to help the poor, he never says to lower capital gains taxes on the rich.

    I have heard people say that if these folks are Christians they want nothing to do with Christianity.

    Republicans are destroying Christianity just like they are destroying this country.

    I posted this before but it is appro here:

    The God of the Bible has a special concern for the poor and is openly suspicious of the rich. And if that is not clear in the Bible, nothing is.
    You might say when it comes to economics; God has a bias toward the poor. God’s prophets say that nations will be judged by how they treat the poor and vulnerable — not by how much they lower tax rates for the wealthy. Listen to what the prophets Amos, Micah, Isaiah, and Jeremiah say about the rich and the poor, about fairness and justice, about inequality and equity. Is there any doubt that if the biblical prophets were saying such things in the House of Representatives or on Fox News today that they, too, would all be accused of class warfare?
    What about Jesus? Mary, the mother of Jesus, spoke clearly about his coming and his meaning in history when she prophesied about his mission in her famous prayer/song known as the Magnificent. She predicts how the child in her womb will reverse the status quo, saying, “He has brought down rulers from their thrones but has lifted up the humble. He has filled the hungry with good things and sent the rich away empty.” These are not the words of a humble and charitable service provider, but the language of a social revolutionary who would certainly be charged with class warfare today on conservative talk radio.
    Jesus fulfilled his mother’s prophesy in his own Nazareth Manifesto — his first words, in Luke 4 — by saying, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring good news to the poor.” He clearly should have been more sensitive to the rich who, after all, are job creators, right? How did all the prophets and Jesus miss that essential economic point?

    Well, let’s be clear: There really is a class war going on, and the upper class is winning. The only people doing well in this economy are the people at the very top, some of whose selfish behavior caused this recession in the first place. Only they have “recovered” from the crisis they helped create. The rest of us are still trying to recover. That’s a war being waged by Wall Street against Main Street. And Wall Street is winning that war.

    • Michael

      Wow Gary I am impressed that you are breaking out Amos, Micah, Isaiah, and Jeremiah. There is a lot of great stuff in those books that most people never read.


    • InArizona

      Gary2.. I really hate to even respond to you, but so be it, since you find yourself twisting God’s word to make your point.

      God does not show bias to the poor, what the scripture repeatedly states is that money is a great corruptor. “It is easier for a camel pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.”

      God intended for man to take care of his fellow man and neighbor (the poor, widowed, infermed, etc), but He intended this to be done with kindness and charity from your heart, “that which you do to the least of these, you also do to me”.

      I am pretty sure He NEVER intended for the government to take from the wealthy and give it to the poor, that would not be YOU taking care of YOUR neighbor… and where is the goodness in that? The gift of giving comes from TRUE giving, something that you have chosen to do with goodness from the bottom of your heart.

      Matter of fact, He mentions the government, but it seems to be only a necessary evil in the bible, “Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s (taxes), and give unto God what is God’s(your spirit)”. This was not giving to Caesar your taxes so he could do good with it, it was to absolve you from the crimes (abortion, corruption, etc) that the Government would committ with your earnings.

      So now this post you put up has contradicted all of your previous posts, you sir are in a quandry.. On one had you state that we must take from the wealthy and give to the poor, but then you start using the Bible and Jesus to make the point that the wealthy should take care of the poor through charity. Which one is it? Taxes or Charity? Government or God?

      • Gary2

        I don’t know–the whole thing with Joseph/Pharaoh and Pharaoh’s government feeding Josephs family and the Israelites who migrated to Egypt due to famine? What about Nebuchadnezzar dreams about the 7 fat cows and 7 lean cows as a “message” from God to stock up and get ready for famine so he could feed his people. Kinda seems to me that this is God working through government to provide for people….

    • Aurelius 7

      I’m shocked myself Gary mentioned all this…

      Too bad it’s all void by his wanting of conservatives and Republicans alike to be murdered.

      Thanks for the laugh, Gary.

    • mark

      Gary, you seem to miss the point that charity is a personal responsibility.

    • Who Wants To Know?

      I don’t usually agree with your posts, but this one is really good!

    • Guido

      I dunno, I find it hard to believe when I see a Socialist quoting the Bible to support an argument. Where are you on religious symbols on public property? It seems to me more cynical than impassioned belief, but I have no way of knowing your personal beliefs, only your political ones.

      Tarring Tea Partiers and Rs as Christians for the actions of some is silly. Christianity is about the individual’s private relationship with God. I don’t see Tea Party members claiming to be God’s representatives on Earth.

      If some clapped during a debate for executions, I don’t blame them. I also don’t know what their faith was, who they were, or anything else about them. (I also don’t have a problem with executing criminals, either. I think we ought to execute a whole lot more!)

      In any case, government is NOT the source of charity. It never was and it should not be now. In fact, private charity was once the predominant form of support for needy people and it worked. Families supported family members. It’s only since Progressives decided to turn the government into our nursemaid that charity dropped. Their assault on Christianity hasn’t helped, either.

      You can’t apply Christianity, and the principle that your personal actions matter, to government. Government has no personal relationship with God, we do; it’s our actions that matter.

      The Founders also didn’t see government as the source of charity-they did not include it in the powers allotted the fedgov for a reason. In fact, they seem to have seen government charity as evil and corrosive to the nation. Franklin said, “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

      Keeping this in mind, it is perfectly acceptable to me, and at least a few thinking people, to cut off federal programs. Cut off these illegitimate programs and let the states decide whether they wish to create their own programs or not.

      I believe in a world without federal intrusion into charity and religion (Wilson and his Progressives really did treat Gov’t as a new religion, look at their talk of Social Gospel and so on), private charity would fill the gap like it did in the old days.

      As an example, Buffet has pledged to give the bulk of his wealth to charity. What do you want to bet his private charity can help more people per dollar than the feds? (In 2009, the stimulus bill was calculated to have created 30K jobs at a cost of 2.2billion dollars!) The sheer amount of charity that flows out of our people during disasters, i.e. Katrina, 911, the Tsunami a few years ago, Fukushima, etc is proof that we are a giving people and we’re ready to give when the gov’t gets out of the charity business…

      • Gary2

        I don’t see Tea Party members claiming to be God’s representatives on Earth.

        Apparently you have not been listening. Perry hyping up his praying and even holding a prayer-a-thon. (did not work out to well for him), Bachmann saying God told her to run, I could go on. Many on the right claim they have a line to God and invoke religion to get the easily led people to think they are Christians. They even say they are against abortion yet could care less for conservative values and throw them under the bus in a New York Minute. Its kinda funny if it was not so sad.

        • Guido

          Actually, I agree with you-I think it is silly and self-serving to tell people to vote for you because God told you to run for office. In a nation where I expect rational thought (am I naive?) and facts to make the difference in selecting candidates (unreasonable?), it seems insane to say, “Vote for me because God says so!” (Taliban, anyone?) Gott Mit uns, anyone?

          But I don’t think that means the Tea Party is claiming to be God’s representatives on Earth. I think most Tea Partiers, and it isn’t a monolithic organization by any means, would shy away from pretending to be God’s representatives on Earth. It’s particularly hard to make that connection, since it is a secular group demanding fiscal responsibility, not theocracy.

  • kim

    Excellent article. For months I been saying that very thing to people.

  • jaxon64

    I expect that kind of hate filled comment by Bill Maher–and Gary2–but it is steeped in huge amounts of ignorance. It is because as Christians, we understand that we are appointed as individuals to give to the poor and charity. There is tons of irrefutable evidence that shows that Christians and conservatives in general, give about 8 dollars to the poor for every 1 doillar that a liberal gives–THIS IS FACT. When a tragedy like an earthquake in Haiti happens, the liberals make a big show of having a fundraiser. The George Clooney’s, mega-rich rockstars and entertainers take a day out of their lavish lifestyle and make a big show to the world about how much they care. What isn’t reported is that for over 50 years various Christian organizations have been feeding, housing and educating the poor in Haiti–and long after the Hollywood stars lights have dimmed from Haiti and they’ve gone back to their ocean front properties and got their pats on the back, well the Christian relief agencies will still be in Haiti helping them to rebuild, fighting the cholera outbreak and providing the basic necessities of life. This comes from the goodness of our Christian hearts and not from a desire for accolades-maybe this is why it’s not mentioned much? I still find it hard to believe that Bill Maher doesn’t recognize that the world’s 2 biggest charities-The Red Cross and the Salvation Army, are both founded on Christian principles and have helped millions of the unfortunate over the years.
    Maybe in the end it is because his socialist leanings make him incapable of seeing the truth–A Christian believes that is the people’s job to give to the poor. The socialists–like Gary2 and BillMaher– believe that it is the government’s job to take millions from the people by force and then after it has been “administrated”, then maybe 10c of every dollar may end up as food in the belly of a hungry child.

    • Guido

      Remember when Sean Penn went to New Orleans with a boat to rescue people, but his PR people and camera crew insured they couldn’t even save one person?

  • Timmy

    Jesus said it was coming. Bring it on.

  • HeartofShadows

    With the way alot of special interest groups act its no surprise they are easier to pick on but yeah this is no surprise as the government has been making different groups and those of various ideals hate one another for a long time as if people from different stands could co exist or even operate together then they might not follow a government that goes against them and stand together.

  • The Sojourner

    Jesus Christ said to expect much persecution just before His Second Coming.

    It will only get worse because the devil knows he has but a short time left to sway the masses, but it is a sign that Christ will soon return and crush those who hate the true and living God.

  • Randome-11

    Bashing christianity sure doesn´t increases one´s IQ.

  • Religion is for tards

    Good, get rid of the christians. They are just an eye sore on society. Most try to push their beliefs down your throat or criticize you for not believing or not having a religion.

    This article is totally biased as well. People need to wake up and quit believing in this whackjob ancient archaic god/jesus/bible rubbish. Its 2000+ year old trash, all religions are just ancient forms of propaganda to attempt to control people, the way the act, and put fear into their minds to make them follow order.

    #12 On June 18, 2010 two Christians decided that they would peacefully pass out copies of the gospel of John on a public sidewalk outside a public Islamic festival in Dearborn, Michigan and within three minutes 8 police officers surrounded them and placed them under arrest.

    Well duh, you are handing out Christian bs at an ISLAMIC festival. The xtians who got arrested were just trying to mess with the attendees there. This is done to spite those in another religion. They deserve it.

    • Whatever happened to freedom of speech? A Moslem taught me a lot of truth, but later I would learn what is in this link:
      http://www.truedemocracy.net/td22/11.html Wake up Islamics! You’re being conned by those who are con artists.

    • MJGray

      I find what you say very interesting, especially since you don’t even (appear to) believe in what you say enough to use a name….just Religion is for tards. Really?!

      You say, “People need to wake up and quit believing in this whackjob ancient archaic god/Jesus/bible rubbish. Its 2000+ year old trash, all religions are just ancient forms of propaganda to attempt to control people, the way the act, and put fear into their minds to make them follow order.

      To this I will say that you have no knowledge of what you are against. Do the research! Do you know the probability that just a few (under ten) of the 100’s of prophecies that were made (sometimes) over 1000 years in advance could happen? No apparently you don’t. I have heard it explained this way ~ if you took Texas and put quarters over the whole state over one foot deep (it may be more, but I will use one foot) and selected the one correct coin, those are the odds you are dealing with.

      I don’t condemn you for what you believe; just don’t make me out as a “Tard” because I believe in something that is evidence based. If you know a genuine Christian, then you know someone who doesn’t condemn others, or live a life of fear. You see someone who knows that they are a sinful human and needs God to redeem them and help them to live a life that Christ showed us how to live….so how can that be bad?

      Yes there is good and bad in everything ~ but let’s keep this on what Christianity is based on! Don’t be closed to something you have little knowledge of….what is the worst that could happen to me? I will die and go to a dark whole after doing my best to live a good life. I’m good with that ~ but my version of the ever after is so much more than that!

    • WM

      Religion Is For Tards:

      They wouldn’t be an eye sore to you if you lived in Haiti or any other country where Christians volenteer to help people after disaters. You are just bitter, perhaps because of something that happen to you in your past? Perhaps a bad “religious experience”? Or is it that you just hate the God of the Bible so much?

      Just curious: How do you arrive at your presupposition that the Bible is ” a whackjob ancient archaic god/jesus/bible rubbish. Its 2000+ year old trash”???
      Maybe its not propoganda or a way of control, is it possible that it is a revelation message from the creator God?

    • Guido

      I guess you’re not a fan of that whole Freedom thing, either, huh?

      By the way-if you hate religion so much, why do you go to a religious-inspired blog?

  • Nexus789

    Religious claptrap…. fairy tales and fables. Religion is a human construct so if the planet is destroyed guess what no religion. Nothing like being arrogant and looking down on anyone else that does not believe in your delusions.

    People on this site ‘thank God’ for the fact they are not in the gutter – what the hell has an imaginary entity to do with it. I guess the many millions in poverty must have been forsaken by ‘God’ so the fortunate can luxuriate in their ‘choseness’ and feel smug.

  • Scott

    Well I will say this, and that is Christians have always been persecuted through out the ages. I am a believer and try my hardest each and every day to walk in the path of Jesus as my Lord and Savior but as all human I do stumble and fall but our God is a loving forgiving God and helps me and all who fall to get back up. Yes, there are extremist who want to force religion down people’s throat and that is in all religions. I believe that most Christians are just trying to show the lost souls a way home to their father. In the recent years it appears that every other religion that is practiced has had the chance to do whatever they wish, but you say some thing about Christ and the people get all offended.

    Let me ask a simple question, Do you think that it was all Christians killed in the 9/11 attack? So when they persecute the Christians first then who is next, Jews, Muslims, etc. Where does it stop? 70 years ago Hitler did the same thing and you see where it ended up war death and destruction.

    I would recommend a book for everyone, yes everyone no matter your religious belief, to read and that “When a Nation Forgets God” by Erwin W. Lutzer. This book shows a shocking similarities between Nazi Germany and the current USA.

    In closing this country was based on Godly morals and beliefs and we have gotten away from that and need to get back to it. With that said God Bless!

    • MJGray


  • The NWO will break down the World as it is today through EMP weapons, Haarp, Viruses and so on. They will then quickly rebuild everything as a paradise and PEOPLE WILL LOVE THE NWO. Antichrist will be a most beautiful, intelligent, exellent peacemaker. Antichrist is the one some “truthers” like Alex Jones & Co are pointing their fingers at while they are ridiculing Jesus and christians. Alex Jones are dreaming about a Valhalla, his Valhalla WILL come true… for a while. The FEMA camps are for christians only!, they are made only to behead christians, because non-believers are programmed to LOVE the NWO. Remember you who read this comment, if you take the money-mark on your hand or forehead… then you are screwed for all eternity! Accept Jesus Christ today or you will fall into love with the absolutely wonderful NWO and perish with it. Reject Jesus Christ and he will reject you!

    • WM

      Good comment. The camps AND guillitines are already in place in America, just waiting for things to happen.

  • Joe

    This article is spot on. Only an ignorant person (believe me there are many) would support or tolerate such bigotry against any group. It does not matter if they are Bhuddist, Hindu, Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc. It is wrong for these people to be singled out. However, it is ironic that they are singling out Christians more than anyone. The Bible promotes an independence from state control over your own life. It promotes you to be responsible under G_d for your children’s upbringing and their health. It also promotes you to be tolerant of other people (love your enemies) and this is why the government targets Christians. However, the Bible does make room for self-defense as well (Jesus’ reply to Peter’s sword: “It is enough.” Furthermore, the elite have been planning this a long time. This is why we have a 501(c)(3) church. They register with the state and when we get into a full blown persecution all they have to do is say: “your membership papers please.” Government sponsored churches also require an unholy marriage with the state. The state is not the bride of Christ, Jesus is. Therefore, you are much better off to be in a home church (this is how God wanted it from the very beginning of time) or non 501(c)(3). God is ubiquitous, therefore His people should be ubiquitous. The person that stated politics is killing Christianity above is right. Our government is to blame for worldwide persecution because many think that our government accurately represents Christianity, which to them is oppression. The Lord will judge this nation as he is doing right now. We reap what we sow.

    • Amen Joe. John 11:25 comes to mind.

    • Macnasty

      Amen Joe I have not attended a church in awhile a long while, my lord is there anytime I wish to talk with him,your right about church membership the list that is,and the gathering will begin and people will be murdered for their beliefs it happened before, and before was a test of whats to come.forgive them father they know not what they do !!!!!

  • jackieR

    I believe that we can practice what we want on a personal level. Besides doing one on one with whomever we choose is our right and no one can take that away from us. I also don’t like someone coming to my house peddling their religion to me.

  • J Colin Vaughan

    Sorry, but I have to weigh in here. The problem is not religion, of any kind. The problem is FUNDAMENTALISM. The difference? Religion is just religious belief in God or gods or spirits or whatever. Fundamentalism is using a belief system (Islam, Christianity, Socialism, Communism, Republicanism, Liberalism, Environmentalism, whatever) as a cover and an excuse for doing Evil (torture, rape, child abuse, murder, etc.). Fundamentalism is, to my mind, absolutely indistinguishable from Devil Worship, and it ought to be called out in just exactly those terms.

  • Mr Carpenter

    Look at Christ’s life and how he told the rich and powerful of the day to act towards their slaves (modern translation – towards employees).

    He told them to treat slaves as well as possible since they were under judgment if they did not – i.e. they would go to hell for a major sin.

    Exporting all the jobs for extreme extra profits will land many a rich “coastie” or Chicagoan into a permanent hell of damnation and complete separation from God the creator of the universe.

    Before you think I’ve morphed into Gary2, I have to say this does not give us the excuse to steal from them en masse, and we are warned NOT to envy their “stuff” and their very temporary riches.

    Look at what they will get in exchange for a few trinkets for a few decades – a hell of eternity. Unless they repent (i.e. change direction) – which WILL involve handing out their money, rehiring people instead of exporting all the jobs for the sole purpose of increasing profits, etc.

    • Gary2

      There may be hope for you yet. Turn form the evil selfishness of conservatism before its to late.

  • yosua

    It is written:

    Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. (Mat 24:9)

    Now tha’s is happening is another sign that we are in the end times.

  • louie

    I flip around the cable channels.
    Last night at the end of MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell show, he went on a tirade against Christians, specifically and with a vengence, against those who believe in The Rapture.
    It was all over the guy who called Obama the anti-Christ the other day.
    A heckler who may have been a plant, for all we know.
    O’Donnell was way overboard and he’d never do that to any other religious group.
    But he showed his biases and MSNBC’s, loud and clear.
    It was pretty bad….I recommend looking it up on Google.

    • Michael

      Thanks for the tip Louie – I would be very interested in checking that out.


  • Thanks Michael for another fine article.

    In it’s most basic form or genesis if you will – history & life can be broken down to a common element (politics & religion). There has always been an uneasy alliance between the two. Now it seems politics is beating down on religion particularly organized Christianity.

    These days were foretold long ago in the metaphor of the woman (whore) who rode the beast of Rev cha 17. This was predicted to happen. We should not be surprised at all.

    Although this is a hard saying for many – the Church(s) that they belong to are joined at the hip with the beast into a corporatized, tax emempt monstrosity that they take for granted (i.e. Behold I sit a queen and shall see no sorrow…). This unholy alliance will be destroyed (is being destroyed)

    God is calling His people out of that construct and structure into the desert to worship. His assembly is a “called out” assembly or ek-klay-see’ah. If they are not part of a non 501c3 corporation; God will protect them out in the desert.

    Otherwise, they will all be toast here real soon.

    Like God says: come out of her my people.

    God will always preserve a remnant.

    Go to TheRaptureCult.com (if you are like minded)

    –no money involved–

    Scott Sepanek

  • Joe

    Why was my post deleted? It took me time, it was honest, and there was no profanity in there. I did not criticize anyone or single any out. Please let me know.

  • Zazz

    Self martyrdom won’t work, pal

    You don’t tell the whole story in any of these points.

    Every day I see Christians preaching on the sidewalk here in NYC and NO ONE bothers them.

    Of course, if you are disturbing the peace or obstructing entranceways etc…different story.

    Stop thinking Christians are being singled out.

    You want to make yourselves out as mayrtyrs when you know right well you have full freedom to practice your religion here. I haven’t see or heard of one church closed down, have you? Maybe you can twist the truth to say yes.

    • Guido

      Just because you haven’t seen something, doesn’t make it nonexistent. I could point out air and electricity are two things you can’t see, but rely on all the time.

      If you don’t think religious people are persecuted, then how do you explain the CA gov’t shutting down gatherings of people in their own home? That sounds oppressive, doesn’t it?

      How about the many, many cases of kids being persecuted for talking about, reading about, or just drawing Christian topics in school?

      How often do you see Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists, Jews, etc mocked in popular culture? Christians get it in the neck constantly from all directions. If you started mocking a Hindu believer at work, how would that be taken? How would a joke at a Christian’s expense be taken???

  • Frank

    I am a Christian. I do not shove it down anyone’s throat. But I will pray for those who do not know God. Because shortly…you will.

  • Robert

    One can also quote pastor Martin Niemöller

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t
    a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

  • Dianne

    Well, I am not impressed with Gary2. He is expressing the views of the religious LEFT that is infiltrating the mainstream evangelical churches with left-wing socialist political doctrine and quoting scripture out of context to try to justify it. Satan said “Hath not God said….” to Eve and she fell for it hook, line and sinker. Satan tried the same tactic on Jesus in the temptation in the wilderness but Jesus came back with “It is written…..¨ and He resisted the devil and was victorious.
    My Bible study group is using a study promoted by these same people who have infiltrated my denomination. It is pure Liberation Theology.

    • Gary2

      Diane-are you reading the same bible I am??

    • Gary2

      I look at me being religious left as a badge of honor. I find that the religious right are extremely selfish and close minded and highly hypocritical. Most (50% or so in my experience) but not all seem to be that way.

      They seem to have forgotten the word compassion. I sited several books in the bible you can read-Amos etc so I do not believe I am quoting out of context.

      What I really believe is that deep down you know I am correct and that is threatening to your close minded world view.

      I am really not your enemy.

      • Guido

        I did not know you were actually religious, Gary. I thought you were merely using Christian principles in a cynical way to advance your argument. I guess I was wrong.

        But I disagree with your reading. I think you are applying principles of Christ, as he taught them to individuals, and applying them to governments, which operate differently.

        I believe it is the individual’s place to help people and it is as Christian as it gets, but the charity and love of your fellow man Christianity teaches has no place in government.

        As a Warrant Officer I once worked for told me, “Never love something that can’t love you back.”

        Government is made up of men, imperfect men, and can never behave like a man with a man’s convictions. Government can not give charity or be compassionate because it has no heart or soul or conscience.

        The leaders of government, imperfect men, use government to give for their own selfish purposes. Giving away tax dollars to the needy is buying votes. LBJ is a great example. His racist quotes about blacks and his cynicism about empowering them are surprising, given the whitewashing he gets in the press.

        Consider it this way-it’s one thing for Obama to talk about charity-to his credit, he gave about 330K last year in donations out of 5.5 million dollars in reported income. It is an altogether different thing to use others’ tax money to give to the needy. THAT is not charity or compassion.

  • whitewave

    Hello, I am a believer and follower of Jesus Christ, the bridge, the connector, the Savior. I am testifying to you that the signs are here and HE is coming soon and want to assure you that he DID DIE FOR EVERYONES sin.

    There are some ways to prove that the bible is true prophesy but you have to go into it with an open mind. I will only give a few examples. Lets start, in Matt 24; Jesus’ disciples asked “what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age” (notice NOT THE END OF the WORLD) Jesus tells them of things to come. Here are a few. “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.” This has happened through out history many have said that they are the Messiah, but were not. This has happened already and is still happening. He goes on to say “You will hear of wars and rumors of wars” This has happened through out history also, and still going on. We all know of the wars that are on going and rumors of wars that are going to happen. “Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.” “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.” These thing are happening with increased frequency. Famines are world wide, you can look up all the places that are affected. http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ This is the recent earthquakes on a map of the world. More earthquakes are happening now than ANY TIME in HISTORY. That is FACT. “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.”


    This is an article about persecution of Christians.

    “At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other” Many people are turning to a “COMFORTABLE” Christianity. They want to comfort of knowing they will go to heaven but without the acceptance of Jesus. People are turning from doing good for each other and instead doing what feels good. I know have been shunned and hated because my love for Christ.

    “many false prophets will appear and deceive many people” You can google false prophets for more lists of them.

    “Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

    More crime than ever before. The highest divorce rates and the lowest marriage rates ever. You can look up articles on this. More people live together without getting married because they don’t want to have to commit or get a divorce when it doesn’t work the way THEY want it to. Selfishness is at an all time high.

    “This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come” There was no way to preach to the whole world until we now, with the technology that we have today, soon there will not be an area of the world that has not heard of Jesus Christ and what he did for them. Here is a short excerpt showing what only one preacher has done, then imagine all of the people that are preaching the gospel.

    Through the broadcast services of INSP, ACTS, VISION, WGN, BET and others, “Jack Van Impe Presents” is distributed to more than 25,000 cities across North America, in both TV and radio format, in addition to being received in 160 countries throughout Europe, the Caribbean, Asia and South Africa. Computer Internet technology has further aided Van Impe throughout Eastern Europe and the Middle East in his mission.

    taken from http://www.ministrywatch.com/profile/jack-van-impe-ministries.aspx

    I am going to skip ahead a little now to verse 22 Jesus speaking about how hard the days will be.

    “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.” Now how in the world can a day be shortened? People would notice that, wouldn’t they? Let me show you science that shows that the days have already been shortened and they are going to get shorter. First I will start with Wikipedia to explain what the Schumann resonances is, first read the following than continue on our journey through Matt 24. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances Then read the next few articles if you would.



    According to science, time is speeding up. hmm. How could that happen? Well Jesus said those days will be shorten. He was talking about the days before his return. The days are scientifically shorter, fact. So to prepare for the coming time.

    “At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time.” There has been many who have claimed to be the Messiah. Some say the Messiah is here among us and is going to save us. It is not true. They are all false. Christ will only return to the earth on the ground after the rapture of his church.

    “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.” It will be known to ALL that is has arrived. It won’t be a secret for just the Christians to know. It will be very public and loud. The trumpet call is also mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:16

    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. And trumpets are talked about in Rev 8-10.

    “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” Jesus refers to a fig tree here. He is talking about Israel. He calls Israel the fig tree more than once in the bible. Her twigs getting tender and leaves come out are referring to her(Israel) becoming a nation again.

    May 1948, Israel became an independent state after Israel was recognized by the United Nations as a country in its own right within the Middle East. Christ is saying that the generation that sees Israel become a nation again will not all die before HIS return for his people.

    “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. We do not know exactly when but he shows us the signs of when it is about to happen. ” As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.” Want to know more about the rapture? A good movie to explain this is Left Behind starring Kirk Cameron. The rapture is when Jesus takes his people out of this world; those living and those who have died in Christ.

    “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.” If we accept Jesus into our hearts and believe that he died for our sins we are saved. This is being born again. It doesn’t matter if you were a terrible person your whole life if you accept Christ, truly, into your heart before you die or before he comes you are saved. This is why he didn’t reveal his arrival time. If you know when he is coming why not do what you want until he is almost here, then get saved. But only his people who have truly accepted him now, know that it about to happen because he says:

    Jesus says ” when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at your door”

    I am certified in theology and also in eschatology. I do not claim that I know anything, I am just writing what some do not understand. Jesus doesn’t care what you have done, how good or bad. He doesn’t care about your race, sex, life style choices. He loves you no matter what!!!! He died for your sin because he knew you were a sinner. He loves you anyway. I will pray that this reaches those who are supposed to receive it and I hope that those who receive this will also receive Christ as there Savior. He is on his way. Get ready today!!

    Romans 10:10-13

    10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

    • Christian

      Whitewave, in reference to your comment:
      I am certified in theology and also in eschatology. I do not claim that I know anything, I am just writing what some do not understand. Jesus doesn’t care what you have done, how good or bad. He doesn’t care about your race, sex, life style choices. He loves you no matter what!!!! He died for your sin because he knew you were a sinner. He loves you anyway. I will pray that this reaches those who are supposed to receive it and I hope that those who receive this will also receive Christ as there Savior. He is on his way. Get ready today!!

      Unless I missed it (and I apologize if I did miss it), I do not see ‘repent and turn from your wicked ways’ in your response. While the prayer of those who are convicted is accepted and becoming born again is by Grace because there is nothing man can do to deserve Salvation, which is a free gift, the sinner must still repent and turn away from sin. When a person becomes a believer in Christ (saved), that person must die to old ways, take up his or her cross and follow Him; this is a change of heart because the heart is now cleansed through the Blood of the Precious Lamb, the Perfect Sacrifice. I just wanted to clarify this for the readers out there.

      • whitewave

        Wow after writing all that I can’t believe I forgot to put that LOL! Yes we ALL need to repent. We are all sinners. The main point I think I was trying to get across at the end there was so many think that you have to be prefect or not a sinner to be a Christian. Not the case. Christ will meet you were YOU are at. We ALL have sin. No sin is better than the next which means I no better that a murderer or a bank robber or what ever. Personally I do not criticize other religions, life style choices or what ever because Christ died for everyone. He said LOVE each other as I have loved you. NOT judge each other as you will be judged. We are not suppose to judge sin, just love the sinner and through love you can win people over to Christ NOT through judgement. I was given 5 years to live because of many illnesses I have. That has been 11 years ago! I live each day for Christ not Sunday. I spread the Word and Love any chance I get. I don’t cram Jesus down anyone’s throat. I only talk of love and show love then when asked how I can be so happy I tell them what Christ did for me and let them know how much that he loves them to. He died for the whole world. He is the bridge and connector to heaven. He truly loves ALL people and it is heartbreaking when people turn against love. But Christians need to learn to accept the discrimination and the hate, it just means we are doing something right because the Devil hates us. It is not a battle of the flesh but of spirit. I pray for everyone. I love everyone. I know a lot of gay people, some Muslims and people of many religions. I respect and love them all. We all are sinners, we were born into it, we no different. We are just forgiven. Not until we repent and ask for forgiveness and turn from our sin are we saved. But it does not mean once you are saved hate everyone else but love everyone even more. You can only heap coals on the enemy(Satan) with love. May God bless you all and put peace in to your hearts.

  • Michael Archangel Peery

    Hey Mr Religion is a private matter, One Christianity is not a religion. When Jesus died on the cross was that a private matter. If Jesus hadn’t had his apostles spread the good news, how far do you think Christianity would of gotten. Jesus wants us to be fishers of men. He wants us to tell people about the Gospel. You know if your being offended or feel like Christians are cramming Jesus down your throat, then maybe Jesus is putting conviction in your heart.

  • Peter A. Sagi

    These 18 points/examples comprise a great rant. Now, here is the truth that I keep hammering away at that Christians in particular don’t want to hear, don’t know if I will come up with 18 points tho:

    1) It seems that most churches I have visited are chock full of neocons. Neoconservativism is NOT Christianity, and the big neocons are NOT your friends. Politicians with an “R” next to their name are not your friends either
    2) The govt. is not your friend. To keep govt. in check you must be a beligerant claimant of your Creator endowed, inalienable rights.
    3) Rights specifically enumerated in the 1st ammendment are not to be compromised … right of assembly/religion/speech/petition for redress of grievances
    4) You probably attend a church that has made Caesar its boss. Most likely it is a 501(c)(3) not for profit religious corporate entity masquerading as a “church”. Your mealy-mouthed pastor will generally bleat out some misquoted nonsense about “render unto Caesar” if you bring this up to him, but it is out of context and BS. In the US, “We The People” are sovereign, or “Caesar” and government is servant, unless we VOLUNTARILY MAKE IT OUR MASTER by asking it for “favors” such as church incorporation, WHICH EFFECTIVELY MUZZLES THE PULPIT.
    5) Along the lines of what I have mentioned above … the “gay marriage” topic that has so many Christians here concerned is a total red herring and what the govt. WANTS you distracted with. The “gay marriage” issue is really just a matter of public policy regarding license issuance. LET the gays have that license, because, we as Christians SHOULD HAVE NO PART OF THAT LICENSE ANYWAYS. A license is a permission to do something you can’t do by right. Use of this license makes the state a third party in your marriage, allowing them a claim over the product of the contract, i.e., YOUR CHILDREN. A boycott on marriage licenses via revocation of signature/power of attorney as well as refusal on the part of people to accept new marriage licenses will bring the govt. to heal far faster than any protest over “gay” so-called “marriage.” Furthermore, DMV/Social Security/IRS/employee benefits will all accept a church issued certificate of marriage, I have personally verified this.
    6) Christians need to come out of all of those things anyways … Social Security admits SSN use is totally voluntary, and, with no SSN use there is no liability incurred for FICA, federal income tax, state income tax, local income tax, Medicare or Obamacare. Again, all VOLUNTARY based upon SSN use. If you are being forced into SSN use that is your employer’s policy and NOT ANY LAW.
    7) Christians need to stop handing their children over to the state. Besides the marriage license, there is birth registration which actually involves a TRANSFER OF TITLE. Since there can not be a title to a flesh and blood child, the title transfered is to a legal fiction entity created via the registration process known as a “person” and it is to this statutory “person” that all of the nonsense laws apply that you believe apply to you. Christians need to wake up and stand up. If you won’t stand up to, say, birth registration/vaccination/SSN use being rammed down your throat now, what makes you think you will be able to refuse “the mark” spoken of in Revelation?

    Some resources: famguardian dot org
    thinkfree dot ca
    View the Robert Arthur Menard videos “Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception” and “The Magnificent Deception” available on google video, vimeo, and youtube.


  • Imran

    Over 2 million Iraqi and Afghani Muslims have been killed by American and UN forces and you’re telling me Christians are being attacked!! Perhaps so but no way near what Muslim’s have suffered over the past decade.

    Americans with it’s evangelical community in particular are and always have been the aggressors and the enemies of peace who told the world about Iraq’s WMD that were never found!! Today it’s all returning to haunt these “turn the other cheek” Christian hypocrites! What about American occupation of foreign lands and it’s WMD??

    It’s the self-righteous and pig-eating Christians that need to read the scriptures of other religions instead of forcing their Bible up our ass! We neither want or need it!

    • WM

      Imran: Show me ONE, just ONE text in the Bible that commands Christians to do harm to muslims.

      Your hatred for Christianity is evident and your perception of reality a bit warped. Your comments seem to imply that the “American and UN forces” are Christian or somehow represent Christians???????

      How did you arrive at that false conclusion????

      Show me where a true evangelical Christian has been
      ” aggressors and the enemies of peace”.

      WMD and our governments involvement in poking their noses in other peoples business has NOTHING to do with Christians. The Bible never encoraged Christians to get invo;ved in political business, they are to be about the Fathers business.

      Why do you percieve Christians as self righteous? Is it perhaps that the message they speak is convicitng you of your sin and false religeous beliefs before the true God of the Bible?

      So, if I am a Christian, you are calling me a “pig eater”. Isn’t that nice. Thanks for the kind words.

      I can feel your hatred for Christianity through this post. I am going to just take a long shot guess…..I bet you are muslim. The hatred and anger exhibited within the “religion of peace” shows islams true agenda and motifs. Hopefully, more people will get their heads out of the sand and see islam for what it really is.

    • Guido

      Well, Imran, can you cite that # for me? Because I think you’re FOS on that one. How about this-If Christians aren’t persecuted, then where are all the Chaldean and Assyrian Christians in Iraq? Seems like there aren’t many there anymore, huh? In fact, I’ve visited one of the oldest Christian monasteries in Iraq, but for some strange reason, this historic structure is empty and uncared for. Oh, and I seem to remember a lot of unexplained explosions and ambushes on unarmed Christians at their churches.

      As for forcing Christianity on others, I find it laughable coming from someone who espouses Islam. Islam has used violence and coercion against everyone it encountered since the early days when Muhammad was just a murderous highway bandit. I don’t see Christians forcing their religion on anyone, but doesn’t Islam teach death to non-believers? Not much of that in Christian churches these days. And when was the last time a Christian murdered someone in cold blood for laughing at their religion or drawing Christ?

      America’s occupation of foreign lands is an entirely different subject. Believe me, those of us who have been in your foreign lands don’t want to be there any more than you want us there. You can keep em.

  • Adam

    Best Christian website I have found. http://www.thetrumpet.com. You should give it a try. Godspeed

  • Joe

    @ Imran……Man, I am sorry to see that you have been hurt or offended. To be sure, I am too. I am a Christian, but just because something says its Christian does not always mean it is authentic. Did you see my comment above? People that call themselves evangelical may not be Christians at all, even though they read their Bibles, they are taught to loathe anything that is NOT American or different. They do not think for themselves nor do many of them know what the world is like outside their self-made box. To lump every Christian together with the right wing extremists that we know as neo-cons is intellectually dishonest. For example, do you know how many Christians have been chased from Iraq and killed since we started our occupation??? Many lived there in peace with the Muslims, even under a dictator like Saddam Hussein. Both Muslims and Christians were better off before we bombed, pillaged, and occupied their land. This is multiplied all over the earth and this is why so many people hate us and equate Christianity with this kind of oppression. However, a true Christian seeks the peace of other nations and countries. Please understand that not all Christians portrayed by the media are this way. Until then, may we always strive to seek peace and kindness with other nations instead of bombs and sanctions.

  • Gay Veteran

    The defining characteristics of the modern right-winger are (1) blind rage and (2) self-pity. Nowhere is this more true than with radical right-wing “Christians”. Any criticisms or push-back is met with squeals of outrage. Well, as the Bible says, as ye sow so shall ye reap. Or in other words, karma is a bit*h.

    Many of your points are valid. But some melt under closer examination:

    #2. why should Paypal tolerate right-wing groups like the so-called “Family” Research Group that spread outright lies about the Gay community?
    “… Faithful Word Baptist Church say that “sodomites… recruit through rape and… molestation.” The Family Research Institute calls gay people predatory, diseased perverts….”

    #8. The pastor was fired because he gave a sectarian prayer which should have been ecumenical.

    #16. So-called “Christians” trying to deny others their civil rights: “…Since Obama’s inauguration, federal lawsuits have been filed against a woman who blocked a car from entering a clinic in West Palm Beach, Fla.; a Texas man who threw his body across the door of a patient waiting area in San Antonio; and a Pennsylvania man who posted on the Internet the names and addresses of abortion providers and extolled his readers to kill them….”

    #18. Does “extreme religious statements” include statements by Dominionists who want to turn this country into a theocracy?

    • Guido

      I would say mainly because they’re a business. I would think profits would be more important than trying to make some statement. If Paypal doesn’t need Christians, then someone out there start a faith-based alternative. There are enough Ebay dealers and gun dealers who would be happy to dump Paypal.

      Most Christians aren’t any more excited about these fruitcakes than you are. Just because there are extremists does not invalidate a belief.

      Otherwise, would you be willing to drop the gay cause in light of its extremists? For instance, back in the 80s-90s, there were Gays who threatened to infiltrate HIV-infected blood into the donated blood supply in response to perceived slights. What about the extreme flamboyant crowd and the exhibitionists and fetishists who like to go out and shock the public with nudity or public sex acts? That doesn’t put the gay community in the best light, does it?

      • Gay Veteran

        I’m willing to condemn extremists of any type. Unfortunately too many Christians are silent about the “Christian” extremists.

        • Guido

          Not me. I’m not above condemning religious wackos. The Westboro Baptist Church comes to mind. The guys who think you can excuse shooting abortion doctors to save lives, too. To me, these folks, though well-meaning, aren’t all that different from the Taliban.

    • Nam Marine

      You can say anything you want. I received a Purple Heart in 1968 so that you CAN say whatever you want. I am also allowed to say what I think.
      “Homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord”
      These ARE the end times my friend. You can still be saved if you ask forgiveness of your sins.

  • Gay Veteran

    Scott: “Well I will say this, and that is Christians have always been persecuted through out the ages….”

    yeah, and “Christians” have done their share of persecuting also. They used to Bible to justify slavery, justify the second-class status of women and Blacks, and even now tyrannize Gays.

    • petercha

      Be warned:
      “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.” (Jude 1:7, NIV). No one wants you to go to hell. Repent and go to Heaven!

      • Gay Veteran

        guess it depends on which of many versions of the Bible you read and how you want to interpret it:

        “…The Harper Collin’s New Revised Standard Version of the Bible uses the term “unnatural lust.” A footnote comments: “The Sodomites attempted sexual relations with angels.” They apparently use the term “Sodomites” in its original sense to refer to inhabitants of Sodom….”

  • And, yet, Muslims are whining all over America! Gimme a break.

    Good post.

  • Why do the nations rage and the people’s plot in vain?

  • Elizabeth

    I’m a Christian and proud of it. I love my Lord and refuse to deny Him.

  • JD

    God just gave me a full time job today. Bite me atheists.

    • Michael

      That is very exciting JD!

      Is it a job that you are looking forward to?


    • Guido

      Congrats, man! Work hard-millions on welfare are depending on you!

  • Cozmo

    Wait…let me get this straight, are you saying there is no longer a separation of church and state? It’s amazing the double standards Christians expect, don’t infringe on their rights, but same-sex marriage is strictly prohibited. Quite hypocritical, can some explain to me this elusive separation of church and state?

    • Guido

      Actually, it’s the government that regulates marriage. And it is not, strictly speaking, a right-look it up some time. It isn’t specifically listed, but I think some would make the argument that it is a dubious part of our right to the “pursuit of happiness” (J/K). Actually, it is construed by the courts to be covered under Due Process Clause of the Constitution.

      But this country is still majority Christian, so they tend to have a bit of a say in things, and Marriage is a fundamentally religious institution, too. I don’t think it is all that unusual for religious people to have their own opinion on the subject and the concept of gay marriage would have been wholly alien just a few years ago.

      • Gay Veteran

        well Guido it wasn’t that long ago that inter-racial marriage was illegal in most states

        • Guido

          Yeah, and that’s where I saw the caselaw cited using Due Process Clause. But I think a lot of folks might see a difference between civil rights and de-segregation versus gay marriage.

  • it is too bad that Christians are being targeted. you should be able to practice your religion

  • HeartofShadows

    Now that I think about it this reminds me of a guy with his own blog. At first he was a christian but then he actually practiced what the hypocrites preached and got rid of all his worldly possessions and went to third world countries to help people who were less fortunate than him and after seeing other fellow Christians putting money into bigger churches and trying to indoctrinate more believers instead of helping others while not to mention gaining even more money and giving it to others to make them richer he stopped being a christian altogether and nowadays not only posts up articles to disprove Christianity put also puts up news of the various sects and whatever bs they do. Thing is even though he isn’t a christian he still has more values than alot of them do.

  • MaddMaxx

    Michael – There are so many mainstream “Evanjellybeans” out there who confuse Church and State, confuse the true meaning of The Great Commission and are totally confused about eschatology (end times). Although they represent the popular conception of “Christian” today, they aren’t “orthodox” in any sense of the word. Check out Reformed Theology! Since you’re (at the least) sympathetic, do some reading of THE WHITE HORSE INN blog (better yet, LISTEN to Mike/Rod/Kim/Ken on the podcast) to see what I mean.


    Grace n’ Peace!


  • MaddMaxx

    Michael, Another great website is a guy named Darryl (DG) Hart. His website is called OLD LIFE. Its aim has been to “point the way back to the health and vigor of historic Reformed Protestantism.” You’ll get a perspective here regarding Church/State that is incredibly refreshing (what he calls “Two Kingdom” theology) …


  • Joe

    Hey Gay Veteran…..you left out your hate towards Christians and how gays are constantly looking at ways to not only silence Christians, but to use hate crimes to squelch all public discourse that criticizes your lifestyle. You also forgot to mention that gays pressured paypal to restrict Christians groups that criticize them. Hey, if you want to criticize Christians….I will support that right all day long. I will even support your right to seek a marriage license (I don’t need government to tell me my marriage is legitimate). However, I think it is my right under the first amendment to criticize you and gaypal as well.

    • Gay Veteran

      Do you follow the Ten Commandments? Isn’t one of those “those shalt not lie”? Lying is precisely what many radical right-wing fundamentalist groups do about the Gay community.

  • Gonzo

    Hey, WM!
    Of course there are no references in the bible towards muslims. Islam came into being when the bible was already a 300 year old book. But there are some statements in the Bible which could be interpreted as being directed against non-christians, including then muslims, of course.
    Luke 13,5
    Mt. 10, 34-35
    Mt. 13, 41-42
    Mt. 18, 6
    Mt. 23, 35
    Mk. 9, 43
    Luke 11, 23

    In general I do not understand why Christians seek advice in the old testament. That is heretical, IMO. If they do so, they become Jews, basically. The new testament is supposed to be the only source of Gods word for a true Christian.

    • janna

      1 Timothy 3: 16-17 (In the NEW testament)

      All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

      That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

      In general, I think the Word speaks quite clearly.

      • Gonzo

        Yes, that is right. But only “scripture” and it is only “profitable”. “Profitable” can also be through discourse, as one sees it is wrong. But if it contradicts the New Testament, it is still heresy IMO. I don´t see why a Christian would want to be a half-Jew. Christ is the saviour! He made a NEW Testament, for he saw it necessary to replace the old one.

        • Bimbo

          It is a mistake to think the Old Testament has been replaced by the new one. Just see Mt 5:17

  • glenna

    you need to be aware of what facebook is doing also. to be brief: I had a snake in my pool, went to google to find out what kind it was, saw my sister facebook profile on that page, click on the picture and got into her site. I was on a page looking up some news article, where a facebook of my daughter and nephew were there. there were 4 more instances of this. just found out today, the nephew’s site had been hacked and his business crashed. I believe they are linking all the christians and contacts for the roundup that is coming. when I wrote the nephew a map of his business came up on the page. Get ready, Jesus is coming

    • Glenna, This isn’t a round up Christian thing that Facebook is doing. It a marketing plow to show you which of your friends like that website. You can embed the Facebook software on your own website. I am not saying the world won’t round us up one day and maybe soon, but what you are witnessing isn’t against Christian.

  • Paul R.

    The enemies of the true Faith have been around ever since Abel was murdered by his half-brother Cain. Christianity of today is under attack again by those like-minded people that hated the Christ back then and still do today, and nothing will change that until He returns victoriously, before the human race annihilated itself.

  • Drew

    *Sigh, it’s actually pretty funny when a christian waves the “persecution flag” these days. What goes around comes around I suppose. The writer of this article needs to open his eyes and see that this sort of thing has been going on for a lot longer than he lets on. Funny thing though, it’s his christian buddies who have been doing it to everyone else!

    • Guido

      Sorry, but I’ve never persecuted anyone. I’ve never blackballed anyone, forced my beliefs down others’ throats, and I’ve never oppressed anyone or suffered from Sudden Crusade Syndrome. Soooo is it OK to oppress and persecute me now because someone may or may not have done it the past? Is evil and injustice fair now because it happened in the past?

  • petercha

    Great article. Sadly, our country has drifted far away from the values promoted by the founding fathers. I bet Washington is rolling in his grave.

  • MJM424

    A. I’m a catholic AND I’m a Christian, the two are not mutually exclusive of one another. But thanks for your non-judgemental comments, you self-righteous “christian”.

    B. AS a Christian I do NOT read a bible that was changed by a mere mortal. The “King James Version” of the bible is just that, the KINGS’ VERSION. If you wish to honor and abide by such a bible then so be it.

    Its’ no wonder why some “Christians” are targeted, the judgemental posts above about Catholics makes the reasons quite obvious. If you can’t follow one of Jesus (through Matthew) own simple teachings, Judge not lest ye be judged, then you’ve no business speaking about the bible, religious beliefs and/or Christians under attack in the first place.

    I was all ready to support you until I read that complete load about Catholics not being Christians. I know where I’m going when I leave this earth, I’ll bet you don’t have a clue where you’ll end up.

    • Brittany

      I’m sorry that you were dealt with harshly by other christians. However the fact remains that if you are a catholic that partakes in the worship of Mary you are NOT a christian. That is idolatry and is an abomination so you will not get into heaven as long as you engage in that activity. Jesus is the way the truth and the Life. No one else can offer us salvation. Mary was no different than you and I. She was merely a vessel chosen just like anyone else can be.

    • WM

      MJM424: I know exactly where I am going when I leave this life. I will ask you a few questions, the same that I asked the priest, cardinal and Bishop before I got excommunicated.

      Their answers were a dog chase cat round and round always leading back to “sacred tradition”…..
      Mark 7:13: “Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

      A few questions to ponder:
      Where in the Bible is the veneration of Mary, Why did John not mention the assumption of Mary( A RC dogma that MUST be believed if you are Catholic, why are clergy not allowed to marry, even though Peter was married, why does you catechism eliminate the 2nd commandment of God and split the 10th in half in order to come up with 10 commandments???? I could go on and on….. . And you call Roman Catolocism Christian??? I will pray for you that you see the Truth.

    • janna

      i haven’t read other post re: catholics. all i know is, if you have not professed belief that Jesus is the Son of God, confessed you are a sinner, and asked Jesus to come into your heart and life… then you are not a Christian.
      if you have, Praise His Holy Name!

      the idolatrous mary thing is something for you to take before the Lord in prayer, for sure.

      it’s all between you and God, doesn’t really matter what anyone else thinks or says, as long as you are right with The One.

  • I am a Christian since 1990. True Christianity is a religion of peace. Christianity means following Christ’s words. Many people claim to be Christians just because they are not Muslim or Buddhist or any other religion, so by default, they are a Christian. or their family was ‘Christian” so they are because they were born to Christian parents. Christianity is the act of inviting Jesus Christ into your heart and the holy spirit into your temple. Your life truly changes if your conversion is real. you turn away from the sinful things in your life. No you don’t live a perfect life, you still are a sinner, but you are forgiven if you confess your sins and repent of those habitual sins. People mistakenly think that Christians think they are perfect, we’re not. We are still human and make mistakes. We ask the Lord to forgive and He always does. The great commission utterred by our Lord was to go out and tell all people about me. That is what an obedient Christian does as Our Lord tells us to. If somebody is not interested, we do not push, we simply say thank you and walk away. The Lord still gives us credit for obedience. We peacefully protest sometimes at abortion clinics but a true Christian would never take anothers life intentionally. So these people that kill abortion doctors are NOT Christians, just because they say they are, you’re actions will speak louder than your words ever could and prove or disprove your Christianity. God chooses us, I am ever greatful He chose me. I vote by “the book” the bible. I hate nobody, Hate the sin, love the sinner as we are all sinners. People that don’t believe in God, that is their God given right, if they were right about the non existence of God, then after death we are just worm food and nothing else. If I am right, then I will spend eternity with God and not in the fiery furnace of hell. I would rather live my life as if there is God, than if there isn’t God. Nobody has ever come back from the dead to testify that there is no heaven or hell, so I will live my life trying to do God’s will and living my peaceful, non violent life. That is true Christianity, following Jesus Christ. Jesus said we would always have poor people, and we will. If one reads the bible and then reads the news then one can see the proof of God’s existence. The bible tells us we will be persecuted because of Jesus name, it’s happening isn’t it? The bible foretells of all the great calamities that are befalling the world as we speak. The earthquakes, tsunamis, etc. I believe this world is fast coming to an end, and I for one will be spending my eternity with The Lord. God bless.

    • Alan

      It dates farther back than the time of Jesus. The Mayan calender supposedly lines up with all the disasters events as well. There may be truth in what you say, but whose to say? That is up to the unknown. Just look at all the UFO sightings that have been happening.

      I prefer to lay claim on there is just no way of knowing what will happen. Everyone is free to place belief in whatever… but the problems at hand are those that let their belief lay claim to what it right and wrong for everyone. Everyone has different beliefs and everyone NEEDS to realize there is no UNIVERSAL belief.

      Much love to you though for your beliefs as they don’t impose on others. <3

      • mmer

        What about the advent of Planet X? Yes that looks real, hope i am raptured out of here b/4 next year when it’s approach is on our door step but i hope it never gets here. Jesus if wer ever needed you it is soon. God Speed.

        • Vindi

          There will not be a rapture. Sorry. I’m afraid the “great falling away” will happen once folks realize they are NOT going anywhere when the tribuloation period begins. This, in turn, will make folks believe there is no GOD and everything was just a big lie. Hench, they will “fall away” from the truth of the Lord. Jesus never said that we weren’t gonna get scuffed up or possibly die during the tribulation. He comes at the 7th Trump…the very last trump. There is no secret “rapture”…Jesus said “every eye shall see him” & “every knee shall bow” We’re all gonna go thru the tribulation…
          I think I know how people get confused…with the “two men will be in the field..one will be taken, the other left.” The WICKED are taken, not the believers in Christ. Bible even stated that “Jesus prayed to his Father that his people not be removed from the earth.”
          I’m afraid lots of folks are going to be sadly disappointed when they aren’t”raptured” outta here, and have to endure what’s coming. Just a heads up, so you know why you’re still here when TSHTF!!

    • Sue

      Very well done Tracy-I totally agree with you. You summed it up very nicely!

    • Joy

      AMEN TRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Every knee will bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

  • someone earlier said the bible was rubbish and a fairy tale. how do they explain the longevity of the bible, if it was a fairy tale, how has this book endured through the ages? The bible is the most popular book in the world. God’s word will endure and has endured for centuries, why do you think that is?

  • female Soldier

    Frankly I think that what is going on here is BS. We were garenteed freedom of religion in our constitution and as far as i know, there has yet to be an amendment to that. What all these organizations and schools are doing it WRONG!! I may not be a christian, but I don’t have to be to see that what we have fought for, and what we continue to fight for, is being taken away. I applaud the author of this post for pointing out things so many people turn a blind eye to.

    • anonymous mee


  • dtayls

    For a spiritual analysis of why this is happening, among other things, here’s a YouTube video:

    It’s rather lengthy; but to watch it in segments here’s another link:

  • Nam Marine

    Bring it on! God will deal with you in his own good time!

  • Vi

    It amazes me that people just sleep through all the changes and freedoms that we seem to be losing. If it doesn’t happen to them they just ignore it. What’s so horrifying to me is seeing what is done to children in the schools and if they are accused of a crime. Little ten year olds can be locked up, five year olds have been hauled off in cuffs for acting badly at schools, kids are forced onto ADD meds, school cops can lie and threaten children into confessing, cops go to schools and talk to children without the parents being notified, and there is a lack of HIPPA and confidentiality when kids do get into trouble. It’s very shocking and only a drop in the bucket of what’s really going on out there.

    • Alan

      Vi, are you also up and arms about the oppression of gays and their rights as well? I certainly hope so. Kids are committing suicide just because they’re bullied because of their sexuality all because many “Christians” believe homosexuals are an abomination and are better off dead.

      Know who is better off dead? Straight couples who keep reproducing and increasing the population is that causing overpopulation. Know what that means?

      I’ll fight for the rights of “Christians” when they shut down websites like godhatesfags.com, and they do something about picketers at gay funerals, and even veterans.

      There’s a reason “Christians” are being targeted, and I use quotes because many true Christians don’t behave like this and it’s not Christian like what these so-called “Christians are doing. “Christians” are imposing a threat on our society, just as well as the radicals of Muslim belief.

      Live & let live. This means stop soliciting your religion, stop imposing your belief upon our “FREE” government and learn to ACCEPT your fellow man regardless of what your damn opinions are.

      Yes, I am gay, and it should make no difference to you.

      • janna

        it doesn’t make any differene to me/us, but it will to you… eventually. God is the one who says homosexuality is an abomination, not Christians. feel free to read the Bible any time. WE didn’t write it. He is plain and clear about it.

        i suppose, by your logic, that you will also support pedophiles and beastiality? because, after all, live and let live?

        homosexuality has been FORCED on the general public and culture, FORCED. by an extremely small percentage of people.

        IF Christians were able to “impose” our beliefs as homosexuals have, as you imply we are doing, then the whole WORLD would be saved by now.

        i don’t see that happening, do you?

      • mrpom

        Hate the sin. Love the sinner.

      • mmer

        Just a comment my friend. I am a Christian and do not hate gays ok., but the Bible says the practice of sexuality between 2 like adults is an really dislike by God and that is why He destroyed Sodom (for sodomy) and Gomorrah . God hate immorality between male and females that r not married as well. God also gives Christians and non Christians the right to choose their lifestyle OR to choose life after death thru accepting Christ into ones life and temple (the body) and in accepting Christ you must acknowledge that ones lifestyle is a sin to God so He can forgive you as only God can forgive sin. Christians as you can see are not perfect and r saved sinners so we as Christians need to repent daily as well. You must also believe that Christ rose from the dead. It is our faith as Christians and what the shed blood on the cross did that saves us from hell, NOT by our deeds or works, as it a a gift from God not of works. Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8,9,10.
        hope that helps my friend. I struggle with looking at porn as i am not married. I ask God often to take that away from me and sometimes i go for weeks and months without. I am not perfect and u and i will never be so it is your choice and God gives u that freedom to choose cause He love all of us, But He created us in a very complex and Godly intellengence that even science today can only begin to understand jsut the tip of the iceberg. It has been said that just a pinhead of our DNA has enough info to fill volumes of books that would circle the globe 55 times around. MY friend , do you or anyone of you think that a God that created such a complexity like us humans would not even have a plan for us humans????????? The plan my friend was given to us in the OLD and New Testaments of the Bible. God personally delivered the fine details of that plan HIMSELF in the form we know as Jesus Christ, He was God and His advent to this planet was the most well attested fact in history and 2//3rd of the Worlds calendars still recall and practice daily remembering this His birth by the simple terminology of BC( before Christ and AD AFter God. Enough said, call Ed or call on HIM, Christ for the future of your soul in heaven rather thatn hell. U cannot blame Him as He gives you your freedom of choice, You can accept or reject His Plan or yours. God love you, Sincerely MTSFJESUS.

  • Texan Patriot

    I am going to boycott Paypal ASAP and all my family and friends will do the same. If people cannot boycott it, they should use it as little as possible. What a bunch of vile and iniquitous people they are to promote tyrannical despotism..

  • anonymous mee

    I hope the people reading this also realize that religious repression and outright banishment is a hallmark of communism. As I recall, the USSR aka Russia would not allow people to attend church or engage in religious ceremonies. Just one more reason Americans need to be very concerned about this.

    • jed

      I agree that we should all be concerned. I also agree that Christians should be shown respect.

      And I hope that people reading this realize, that historically, religious repression and outright banishment have been the hallmarks of religions, including Christianity. Anyone remember the escapades of Ferdinand and Isabella? How about the adventures of Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson in New England? Any Jews from the southern US states out there who have stories from the 20th century that they would like to share? Any simple working-class, law-abiding Muslim Americans who would like to remind us all just how vigorously the Christian community has defended their right to religious freedom during the last ten years?

  • Frank

    Well, its divided we fall then.

  • Sue

    The screws tighten. Its all over for the USA.
    The devil is being allowed by the Lord to perform his evil as judgement upon the earth.
    As the Bible says, when the Day of the Lord comes, God always judges His own people first, and then if it was that bad for His own people, how bad will it be for everyone else?

  • Barb

    First they came for the communists,and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

    Then they came for me,and there was no one left to speak out for me.
    attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller

  • Guido

    This is rather apropos. A man who writes a Christian Blog apparently offended a stranger who turned the law loose on him. The judge ordered him to turn over any and all firearms and ammo. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=349713

    Hey, Michael-watch your back. You start getting too dogmatic and someone may gin up some complaints about how they were completely offended when they read something on your site and then stayed around to read more offensive stuff, which made them uber-offended, justifying the elimination of your civil rights.

    • Michael

      Wow – I had not seen that story yet.

      Things certainly are getting crazy out there.


  • Norman Earhart

    You are all wrong. You should ready the whole Bible if you want to know God. Jesus and his followers quoited from it often. The statements in this document are incorrect. Christians tell the truth no matter what 9it costs them.

  • Gay Veteran

    Nam Marine: “You can say anything you want. I received a Purple Heart in 1968 so that you CAN say whatever you want. I am also allowed to say what I think….”

    Sorry you got wounded, but you weren’t fighting for my rights IN Vietnam

  • Imran

    WM, Guido and Joe,

    Christians are responsible for the sheer hatred people of other religions have towards them which is why they are openly abused in the Middle East where they live as minorities! This is also the reason as to why your historical places are being dug up and even burnt whilst your coreligionists look on helplessly! I have no sympathy for those who kill innocents…

    The reason many Christian’s suffer as minorities is due to American invasions that are pereceived as Christian oppression and occupation…why not when your leaders like Bush openly use words like “crusade” against Muslims and Islam.

    Listen up!!…there are over two billion passionate Muslims in the world and we ain’t going anywhere so live with it!. Moreover it’s a well known fact that the American military has many evangelists within infact these right wing Chrsitian fascists like Pat Robertson and those folk from GOD TV encourage the murder of innocent people for the creation of some fantasy in their heads.

    Well Guido a Christian like you attacking Islam is similar to a prostitute preaching moral values! Christianity has blood on every page which is what your fake apostle Paul preached! You filty pig eaters have been killing people since the crusades followed by the millions of black Africans that were enslaved by your retarded cult for the creation of the USA!. That’s only to be expected from this white-man cult that any person with an ouce of commonsense can make a comedy movie out of!

    There are many Christian retards who kill every day Guido only if you were to do some research! You don’t see Christians forcing there faith because you probably live in the west but it’s happening allover especially in Africa and India where food is used as a source of blackmail to convert innocent and ignorant villagers! See christianaggression.com and crusadewatch.org or shut your mouth!

    Shows how ignorant you are in believing that Islam teaches death to non-Muslims, obviously you are unable to seperate politics from religious scripture and that from human nature! It’s your Christian cult that has blood on every page beginning with it’s violent philosophy of a man-God figure being torchered to death on some freakin’ cross!! What do you know about Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism or Buddhism that you believe for Christanity to be the true faith??? I have a degree in comparitive religion so know what iam talkin’ about!

    Muslims want American military out of our nations and to stop interfering in our internal affairs! Until this continues the reaction to it will be your brothers and sisters in faith being persecuted in various forms not because Islam preaches this rather because revenge is a part of human nature!

    Paul was a blood sucking vampire who preached the killing of innocent people to spread his racist cult of worshipping a white man to make other races feel inferior, how does that feel Guido and others!!!?? Hey if your people attack Muhammad then be prepared for the same in return!! As for the Prophet of Allah you can see what many intelligent and intellectual non-Muslims say about him on muhammad.net.

    • Guido

      I’m sorry, but wasn’t it Islam that introduced slavery to Africa and other parts of the world? I could have sworn it was Islam that maintained slavery until at least 1969 when Sudan finally bowed down to international pressure-yet it was alleged it continued in some places, such as Saudi Arabia, to present day.

      And killing innocents??? I could have sworn it was Muslims behind a majority of the world’s terrorist attacks over the last, what, 40 years? I’m sure the folks in Bali, Madrid, Mumbai, NY, London, Scotland, and many, many other places would beg to differ with you.

    • janna

      oh blah blah blah

      you need to paraphrase if you really expect anyone to read your dribble.

      oh, and perhaps a little less hatred would help as well.

    • actually, you should be banned, tehre are not 2 million Muslims by any stretch and your place in the USA nor Europe should not even be tolerated. That said, plenty of evidence Muhammed was deluded, even he questioned his messages.
      That said, anyone that denies Christ is God and Lord is damned…so yes, you will be going somewhere, good luck with that….Islam is of the Devil, Christ has and will continue to conquer….guess the moderation is not too tight here….

    • mmer

      Dear Inman,
      I do as a Christian do sadly agree with you. We do have radicals and unjust Christians just as you have in your belief. I also believe that Our own Country sadly enough attacked the Twin Towers as U tube has some great stuff on that. What a shame for all of mankind. We are all sinners which that Bible teaches and comparative religions or other religions do not admit to sin or have no way of truly washing sins from oneself from a divine perspective. Only God dan forgive sins in His eyes thru the blood of Christ. God cannot see sin on mankind thru the blood of Christ as His blood covers our sin from Gods eyes. . Jesus really was God in human flesh thats why our sins are forgive but only if we ask Jesus into our live and temple(body) and ask Him to forgive our sins and belive He was raised from the dead after 3 days . We must have faith as before Christ ascended HE descended into Hell and took the keys of death from Satan thus overcoming death as a promise that all who belived in His name and confessed that Jesus was raised from he dead, You will e saved from the destruction of HEll. anyway God Bless you and i do not recall where Paul instructed to kill any one after His conversion from Saul to Paul. Yes before hand he was killing Christians but true Christianity does not say that anywhere in the Bibles new testament but unlike the Koran which calls all mankind as infidels and must be killed, right? mtsfJesus. Now U can reject or accept Christ for who He claimed to Be, God. OR reject Him and perish in Hell and Mohammad can not save you from Hell and he unfortunately is there now unless he accepted Him(Christ)(God). and Mohammad never rose from the dead as he had not power or death as Christ did and we today still remember His advent into the world as our calendars still remember 2000 years later as they say 2011 years after Christ AD/BC OR BC/AD BEFORE CHRIST; AFTER GOD. HUGS TO YOU MY FREIND.

  • Happy Camper


  • Imran

    Happy Camper,

    …and you are an example of Christian ignorance because none of you people are read in other scriptures otherwise would have realised that the Qur’an mentions “love” many times! You can’t even spell correctly and write in capital letter’s making a fool of yourself on a public forum! What a sorry loser!

    The screwed up religion is your man worshipping cult Christianity that has the most violent history making even Hitler look like a saint! Your military including many practising Christians are the biggest ******* kllers on the planet who have been at it for centuries..if you call resistence to be meaningless violence then so be it!!

    Son, a filthy pig eater like you wouldn’t know the difference between night and day no thanks to the worms flying around in your head…you may as well eat slime of the sea!!

  • Guido

    Imran, if you hate Americans and Christians and the West so much, (and if you’re not just a fake trolling for flames) then why are you lurking on a Christian-oriented American-based site with such a limited focus?

    • Most Christians are fake and phony, so, not really a good representation to the rest of the world and AMericans themselves should hate what they see/hear, as God does….3300 aborted a day, rampant sodomy,etc…thinks God ignores that as we are Americans? somehow e got immunity from His judgment? hating sin and evil should translate into working toward a truly Christian nation, not one under a vague “god”…

  • “American Society for the Defense of Traditional Family”.

    if this is the Catholic group, then not weeping, for main fact they are very pro-Neocon…if not, then ignore…

  • “Big cable networks regularly feature “comedians” that love to mock Christians. For example, HBO “comedian” Bill Maher recently stated that “there’s a term for people who hate charity and love killing: Christian”.

    actually, terrible is Maher is, he is on to something, as most Christians in the USA love Big buiz and are warmongering, GOP cheerleaders…look at Southern Baptists for one….they are most likely to wave the flag and supprot militarism..just ask Chuck Baldwin about them or Laurance Vance, both have attacked this rot in evangelical circles…..Vance esp.

  • “Almost 70 percent of the population of the world now lives in countries where religious activities are highly restricted.”

    Mis-leading, some religious activities should be restricted-unless you believe in militant practcing of Hinduism (praying to false gods, who are demons), Islam, satanism, Wicca, Great thumb,etc

    any religious practices that are contra-Christ should be restricted publicly and at times, privately….and no, not really caring what the indifferent deistic Mason “Founders” thought about it……their “every thing goes” has led to this collapse….they likely rotting in Hell.

  • A.S.

    Regarding #1, that means every Chabad Shliach (go to http://www.chabad.org to understand what means) will be a target too. Essentially there are many Orthodox Rabbis and lay people that host dozens, sometimes 50+ people for Shabbat dinners and Shabbad lunches and Holidays dinners and lunches, every week without fail. So will someone start cracking down on them too? This is a peaceful assembly in a private home! That Bible group was a peaceful assembly in a private home. BTW, Orthodox Jews also have their own study groups in private homes. So will out groups also be deemed illegal?

    Sounds like the modern day King George is at it again, trying to get into private people’s homes just because he is the king. Well, these idiots that make up and uphold such laws need to be sued for billions of dollars for each instance they attempt to violate even one religious freedom!

    And the one about engaging Muslims in talk in the streets is also illegal? Maybe the police closing down dozens of streets for Muslims should also be deemed illegal? It seems to me the whole world caters to the Muslims, while Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., are demonified.

    The founding fathers would be sickened to death if they were to be alive today. America was a country build on Judeo-Christian beliefs, with the understanding that each man, woman and child is held responsible for their actions. But it is no more today.

    It seems to me that only terrorists, hate-mongers, habitual sinners, etc., are given a Carte Blanche, while peaceful, loving, Bible-following people are terrorized, threatened, arrested, ridiculed, etc…

    Where else do we have to hide in order to live a G-dly life? I welcome any comments.

    • A.S.

      I wish I could comment on all of them, because all of them make me furious! But allow me to comment one more: #10:

      #10 Back on February 20, 2009, the State of Missouri issued a report entitled “MIAC Strategic Report: The Modern Militia Movement”. That report warned that the following types of people may be potential terrorists….

      *anti-abortion activists
      *those that are against illegal immigration
      *those that consider the New World Order” to be a threat
      *those that have a negative view of the United Nations


      I am anti-abortion, anti-illegal immigration, anti-NWO, and anti-UN…so come find me arrest me immediately, because I am guilty of the greatest crimes against mankind!

      Gee wiz, if people like us lived in the 1950s, it would be mainstream to think like that. But today, we are treated liked criminals, before there is even a charge for a completely made up crime.

    • A.S.

      OK, one more…could not help myself:

      Vaccines: Poison
      Homeschooling: Gold

  • Imran


    To answer your query i would say that many Christians visit Islamic sites just to offend believers moreover don’t you American’s pride yourselves on freedom of speach or is that just for those who agree with your narrow minded views??

    I am only visiting your website where as you American’s have occupied Muslim nations!!. Again your hypocrisy and double standards are exposed for any unbiased observer to see and laugh at!

    This is more of a political not religious site where i am free to express my views otherwise they wouldn’t be published so live with it or ignore them! I am not a Christian hater but only attack your faith when you disrespect mine however i detest your nation and always have done!

    • Guido

      Imran, I merely asked why you’re wasting your time at a place you don’t like full of people you hate? And you came in here attacking America, Americans, and Christianity first and spouting your ignorant, hateful rhetoric.

  • Imran

    Winston and Guido,

    Winston, you have trouble in reading otherwise would have realised that i said that there are over two billion Muslim’s in the world, i don’t know the number in your nation!

    You can’t ban Islam in the west because in return the majority Muslim’s in the Middle East will openly destroy your holiest and historical shrines of the region whilst you look on helplessly! Your Christian family in majority Muslim lands will pay a massive price for your actions that your leaders are fully aware off!

    Winston, i too insist that Paul was satan in human flesh suffering from a mental disorder in which he saw himself as a Prophet that he certainly was not! There are plenty of facts that support my claims of this individual who should rightfully be called as the greatest lier humanity has ever known and a racist who told fibs of God being a white man!

    Christianity is a curse on humanity that must be destroyed otherwise it will take us all to the pit’s of hell giving Paul the fake Prophet what he wants! We see that Christians today are the most immoral people on earth largely due to the philosophy they follow!

    Guido, Saudi and Sudan are majoritry Muslim nations but they don’t follow Islamic law, there is a massive difference. Islam liberated black people from slavery that Christianity enforced on them which is why we see so many of them reconverting to Islam from Muhammad Ali to Jermaine Jackson! Christianity has a history of slavery like i mentioned your nation was built on it so let’s stop talking rubbish!

    Christianity is and always will be false…time will prove Islam to be the only correct faith and Christianity to be a man made religion that is much closer to satanism then peace!

    • Guido

      You might want to try reading a book some time. Islam introduced slavery into Africa long before Europeans ever arrived. They engaged in the slave trade for over 1000 years. And it is well-known the last nations to ban slavery were Saudi and Sudan in the 1960s, although it was rumored to never have completely died out and Sudan is accused of having at least 200,000 Dinka tribesmen as slaves right now.

      To say America was built on slavery is rather simplistic and merely points out your ignorance of the subject. And to accuse Christianity of slavery is laughable! At heart, Christianity is a religion OF slaves, not a religion that TAKES slaves.

      • Imran

        There is a difference in reading a book and reading a one basec on a western perspective! No Islam did not introduce slavery rather it abolished it providing you understand those times! Next you’ll be asking why they didn’t have the internet 14 centuries back!!

        There was slavery in Africa prior to Islam that is still effective in many parts especially those who continue to follow local customs.

        At heart Christianity is the religion of guilt where Islam is of the proud! You need not worry about my educational qualifications instead do some travelling to broaden your own mind!

  • Imran


    There are many Christian’s responsible for terrible atrocities but if i were to mention them the mod will probably edit it out! When a Muslim kills his faith is held responsible and highlighted but when it’s a Christian his belief is not even mentioned by the gutter press!.That’s the difference only if you had the wisdom to see the bias of the western media!


    I can understand your jealousy but there are easily over two billion Muslim’s in the world and Islam is much more practised then Christianity is today that even the Catholic Pope accepts! The majority of European Christian’s are nominal to the core, hardly anyone in Europe practises Christianity and that is a FACT as much as it may hurt you! You obviously are not well travelled otherwise would have realised that Islam is the majority religion in almost seventy nations. See islamicpopulation.com or search google to clarify this!

    I can understand that it enrages Chrsitian people but hey truth often does hurt!

  • Imran

    Christian nations for example were fully responsible for the first TWO WORLD WARS and the killing of hundred’s of million’s of innocent people! No Muslim or non-Christian nation participated in this massive genocide yet we’re told that they were “word wars”…reality is that they were Christian’s murdering eachother or the Jews! They were CHRISTIAN WARS!

    The anti-semetic Adolf Hitler who is one of history’s most despised leader’s was indeed a devout Christian. This is just one incident that violent Christianity has blessed the world with but really the list of Christian violence and occupation of foreign lands is endless.

    • Well Read

      Imran, your labeling Hitler as a devout Christian exposes your ignorance of many things including Christianity.

      Your readers here including me are not new to Islam and Muslims who are perpetrators of hate. It is well documented that Muhammad spoked pot and frothed at his mouth and that the quaran describes the world’s creation as someone’s sperm gone wild and how men should beat their wives to submission. And how that Haddith book of yours reaching illiterate men was the beginning of so many acts of terrorism and killings in the name of Islam this century has seen.

    • Guido

      You really don’t know what you’re talking about, do you? Hitler was not a Christian in any sense. Ignoring his occult leanings, interest in Nordic traditions, his love for Germanic myths, Hitler sent thousands of religious leaders to the camps.

      And you really show your ignorance attempting to force WWII through your prism of religion. WWII was not a religious war. It was a war of survival fought all the way around the world and drawing on the resources of the entire planet. Every religion was represented, too. BTW-if it was a war of Christianity, how do you explain the presence of Muslims on both sides? There were Muslim Nazi soldiers, as well as Muslim Allied soldiers.

      • Imran

        You’re telling a well travelled graduate that he doesn’t know what he’s on about! Don’t make a fool of yourself! Yes Hitler was indeed a Christian that is verified my many sources, google the subject to read some of them!

        I didn’t say that world war’s were religious wars you idiot but Christian’s were far more involved then other other group pf people! Now you understand how Muslim’s feel when you people associate Islam with war!

        Muslim’s were very much a minority compared to Christian’s…Muslim’s have mostly been victimes of Christian invasions that is even the case today!

        Do you attend nursery school because you talk like an infant!

        • Gail Frost

          You are a pompous ass! Go sell your wares somewhere else. You have no clue.

  • Imran


    Even today the majority USA/NATO Christian army have killed over TWO MILLION innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan alone!

    So even if some Muslim was responsible for the killing of innocents in Scotland, Mumbai, Bali, 9/11 or Madrid the number of people killed was is way near what violent and blood thirtsy Christian’s have done or are doing!

    Christianity the religion is responsible for this!

  • vancouver mark

    This is probably the most tediously offensive thread I’ve ever seen on this site. Imran is clearly no true Muslim, whatever he may claim. Why is it that everyone I’ve ever met who has studied “comparitive religions” at a Freemasonic institute of higher education comes away sounding so empty, angry and Godless? The answers will never come through manmade intellectual enlightment. They come through the Word and the Way of God.
    Please understand, if you’re able to Imran, that America/NATO’s obscene wars have nothing to do with Jesus Christ. As you yourself say “obviously you are unable to seperate(sp) politics from religious scripture and that from human nature.”
    Our leaders, just like the leaders of organizations like the so-called Muslim Brotherhood are “wolves in sheep’s clothing” who serve Satan, whatever they may claim.
    And people like Winston, frothing with anger, so quick to dismiss so many as “rotting in hell,” do you really think Christ stands with you? How exactly are you loving your brother as yourself?
    As Peter said in Acts 10:34/35 “I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him.”
    Hatred, rage, racism and ridicule will have no place in God’s kingdom. Open your hearts and change your minds for the better.

  • vancouver mark

    Another couple of comments specificially for my brother Imran, and anyone else who professes to be Muslim…
    I would have included them this morning but confess to not being so versed with the Qur’an as I am with the Bible.

    A letter from the prophet in defense of the Christian monks at the monastary of Saint Catherine at mount Sinai, who were being persecuted by local Arabs…
    “This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
    Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
    No compulsion is to be on them.
    Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
    No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses.
    Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
    No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
    The Muslims are to fight for them.
    If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
    Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
    No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”

    And from the Qur’an, 5:82…
    “…thou wilt certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say, “We are Christians;” This because there among them are priests and monks and because they are not elated with pride.” This last line has also been translated as “This because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.”
    “Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

    Hopefully this is a help for you.

  • Guido

    Your stunted view of the world insures you will never understand the real issues involved. You can’t look at the world through a religion-colored lens and expect to see everything, especially when the West is hardly religious.

    Religion is all but dead in Western Europe and America is a Republic, not a theocracy. They do not act to further Christianity-otherwise, how do you explain our tolerance of Islam in our nation? The Middle East has no record of tolerance of other religions.

    I don’t know where you get your 2 million # from, but it sounds like BS. Is that counting the enemy fighters, too? Those so-called innocents are responsible for a lot of bloodshed.

    BTW-if you’re correct, how do you explain the Islamic governments of the Middle East and THEIR slaughter of their own peoples? Where does that fit into the equation?

  • Imran

    Vancouver Mark,

    Your comments should be addressed to people like Guido who believe that Islam is the source of every evil! You should be telling him of Islamic tolerance and great contribution to civilisation and human thought…that how mighty Muhammad was if he can understand that fourteen centuries back life in Arabia was very different to today’s NYC!!!

    Verily, i am a Muslim who only attacks Christianity when they do my faith! Islam is so deep that it’s knowledge only increases…it is by all means perfect where as Muslim’s are not!!


    I am glad that you can accept the collapse of Christianity in the west but it goes beyond that because western society is morally bankrupt and for that you don’t need to be religious whatsoever!! You demonise Islam in your nation at every opportunity which is not tolerance to me!

    As for the Middle East there exist million’s of Arab Christians and Jews in the region and the holiest sites in Christendom ard in the Muslim majority Middle East that continue to thrive that indeed is tolerance!

    To you every critisism of the USA is BS so i am not surprised with your silly comments! My views are based on authentic sources and independent websites where as yours are probably in the NY times and coperative media! Wake up and smell reality before it smells you!

    Middle Eastern leaders are western puppets put there by the west to serve them! They’re killing their people to remain in power therefore the whole thing is political not religious!

    Reality is that your country is collapsing under it’s own sin and rightly so! You continue to speak in ignorance because it’s already too late to save people like you! People like you need a shrink more then anything else!

  • vancouver mark

    Imran –
    I directed comment specifically to you because you had repeatedly insulted my Christian faith and called me (by association) a “filthy pig-eater” among other slurs. You also spoke against the word of the Prophet and thus you perpetuate negative and dangerous prejudice against Muslims.
    Rather than lash back with anger and insults as others (and you) have done so much on this thread, I took the time to find words from Prophet Muhammed himself that specifically counter your messages of hate.
    I notice that you completely disregard the passages I cited. Did your Freemasonic classes in “comparative religion” teach you to ignore God’s word?? As a self-proclaimed “Muslim” should you so obviously oppose the directives of the Prophet? Perhaps you feel that you know the mind of Allah better than he did…?

    I suggest you read my previous comment again, contemplate the message, and then respond with at least a modicum of intellect and basic respect, specifically responding to the passages cited rather than pointing yellow fingers at others or hurling more gutter slurs.
    If you choose not to respond in such a calm and cogent righteous way, I will know that you are definitely no Muslim, but just another ugly little troll serving the Dajjal/ Anti-Christ.

    Back to you, my brother.

    • Imran


      Well eating pig meat is indeed filthy so deal with it though i realise that your gospel doesn’t support this act! My anti-Christian views are a direct response to your Christian’s brother’s attacking Islam so either condemn both or remain silent, there is no need to show double standards!

      Christian’s more then Muslim’s follow freemason’s so keep such silly sarcastic forms of humour to yourself, i don’t find it alluring!

      You looking upon me as a Muslim or not is totally irrelevent to me as if i am here to satisfy you…NOT!! As i have stated before that i agree with your Quranic quotes that indeed is a revelation for entire mankind so there is nothing more to say on this matter, you need not worry about my blood pressure either as i am perfectly calm and under no danger from coollapsing, inshallah!

      There are many people…both Muslim’s and Christian’s who believe that Adolf Hitler was indeed a Christian who believed in original sin, trinity and Christ being the literal son of God! You can google this subject to read some articles. My response is thoughtful only that you’re unable to contemplate it!

      Yes, George Bush indeed is a Christian too!

  • vancouver mark

    And, sorry to belabour the point, I know I’m ranting a bit, but note that just as I quoted God’s word from the Qur’an as well as the Prophet’s letter regarding Christians, I also quoted the apostle Peter’s insights regarding the universality of true believers.

    I believe very strongly that there are two, and only two, groups of people in this world, those who believe in the one God and those who do not. Trust me, as a God-fearing and -loving Christian I have far more in common with a pious Muslim than I do with someone like George Bush, however often he may call himself “born again.”
    When you do things like referring to Hitler as a devout Christian you show a colossal ignorance and/or a willful contempt for the words of Christ. And in doing that, you offend all believers, both Christian and Muslim.
    Still looking forward to a thoughtful response..

    • Imran


      Continue to be offended until the end of time for i care little and yes i believe in my heart that Hitler was a Christian just like Osama Bin Laden is/was a Muslim….who didn’t follow Islamic teachings! I won’t deny my conscience!

      You’re a typical self-righteous Christian who doesn’t know what he’s on about and no we don’t believe in the same ALLAH whatsoever! Muslims have much more common with the Jews in the sense that we both believe in the one ALLAH, have simailar ways of performing prayer and both eat koshar/halal!

      I consider Christian with their weird belief of trinity to be unbelievers nevertheless you’re entitled to your opinion only don’t insist that we’re one in our belief! Christian’s do not consider Muhammad to be a true Prophet where as i reject Paul and all your other saints equally!

      I consider the Torah not the Bible to have divine decree where as Christians reject the Qur’an so there are plenty off differences if only you pondered! Christian’s to be exact believe in a 3 in 1 God!!

  • Sane

    Awsesome stuff here guys – but I’m happy to announce this meeing of “minds” (and I use that term ever-so-loosely) is a draw. Ratbag Christian wingnuts nil. Ratbag Muslim guy nil. If any of you clown school rejects ever thought they had a chance of winning any argument against the opposition – rest assured you has about as much chance as you did of convincing me. Faith is making a virtue of not thinking, not reasoning, not demanding evidence. Americans – FFS travel the world and get your heads out of the Fox news bubble. How you guys live with all the cognitive dissonance truly astounds me. Do yourselves a favour and everytime you hear the words “The Lord is my shepherd” ask yourself if you’re truly happy being sheep. The box is paper thin people. Wet paper at that.

    • MartyGeeLorenzo

      Atheist dictators killed millions of people over the past century, which is less than the number killed during the black plague, crusades and smallpox outbreak during the dark ages, but whatever, and murdered hundreds of thousands in an effort to eradicate religion itself, because, you know, mass murder is the inevitable result when a community becomes too intolerant of outlandish dogmas and too fond of critical thinking.

      You the atheist, of course, will respond that “BUT DUDE STALIN DIDN’T KILL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM HE KILLED THEM IN THE NAME OF COMMUNISM!!!!11”, as though Communism’s status as an atheistic philosophy had nothing to do with persecuting theists. It’s sort of like saying “THE KKK DIDN’T LYNCH PEOPLE FOR BEING BLACK THEY LYNCHED THEM FOR NOT BEING WHITE!!!”

    • MartyGeeLorenzo

      Surely, if evolution was not guided by a God, then we would not have evolved minds geared toward truth, only survival. In that case, where do you get off making blanket statements about the nature of the universe?
      If emotions are nothing but chemical reactions and there is no afterlife then there really is no reason why someone should not kill themselves over small matters like losing an ipod.

  • FLGirl

    I’m an atheist. I do believe in evolution and I am pro-choice. While most people would believe that seeing Christianity oppressed would make me happy due to my personal views – all it does is sicken me. Our country allows freedom of religion, meaning that I can go about my life choosing not to worship any particular God, as well as Christians have EVERY right to worship and preach their views. The liberty in this country is quickly fleeting.

    When someone hands me a religious pamphlet I politely take it and thank them. There’s no need to be rude or arrest anyone – they are not being aggressive by handing out a piece of paper. It’s not like they’re forcing me at gunpoint to read it. It’s really not a big enough deal for anyone to cause a commotion over it, especially to arrest someone. As Americans there are certainly things we won’t always agree on – like religion. But even as an Atheist, it angers me to see that my friends and family members that are Christian are quickly losing their rights to lead their lives as they see fit. We need equal freedom for everyone. The government really should just stay out of this one. There’s no need to fight, or oppress or discriminate. Let people worship, or not worship – it is our individual right to choose.

    • ephixa

      I know right! Why can’t all people be like you? I’m christian but I see Jehovah witnesses walking up my street all the time and I just get the pamphlet. Same as you do. I don’t understand why people these days feel so threatened about our religion :0 were real nice and we won’t try to pressure you or whatever. Now I have heard of some Christians doing that but they shouldn’t. Kinda gives Christians a bad name. Anyway, thank you for bringing that up and I really appreciate it. May you be blessed in all your wonderful years! Have a good day! :)

    • juan Carlo

      But the Democratic Socialist pagan religious communists want a fight.

      Not many atheists are really freedom loving lets all get along types like yourself.

      Most atheists are really pagan religious people who want to take over and worship trees and the sun and the moon and the earth as a deity.

      The KGB admitted to starting Greenpeace years ago.

      You are not allowed to be a conservative in the sierra club either.

      That’s how far the evil goes.

      The commies hate us.

      A conservative contractor was fired by bank of America because he wrote a book on his own time that was conservative and Christian.

      Hope he sued. That is the only way to deal with evil people.

  • joe smith

    The devils children hate the light.

    The homos are targeting those they hate. They go miles out of their way to initiate a lawsuit with a Christian business; passing by known left wing businesses that would love to have their money.

    Democratic Socialist pagan religious communists are on a unholy war. they take over foundations and fire all the conservatives and give money to political causes of the left. re ford foundation and all the foundations that give money to public television. There has not been a conservative program on public television in 20 years. About 10 years ago one tried and the left threatened to boycott instead of lose their illegal monopoly.

    The teachers unions devote the first ten votes of their yearly meetings to political activities for democrats reelection. Any teacher who does not agree to teach liberal communist pagan lies is denied tenure or fired.

    70% of the text books in PUBLIC SCHOOLS are lies. now they are debating what 1 + 1 equals as if we all dont know. Communist Core values is the last installment of the communist takeover of america.

    A generation from now there will not be anything but uneducated comrades walking the streets in poverty.

    Now they want to kill the elderly who created the country they are inheriting.

    Democratic Socialist pagan religious communism is pure satanic evil and nothing less.

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