15 Reasons Why The Obamacare Decision Is A Mind Blowing Disaster For America

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You can almost always count on the Supreme Court to do the wrong thing.  In fact, just about every major decision by the U.S. Supreme Court over the last 40 years has been bad for America.  Many were hoping that the Supreme Court would strike down Obamacare, but the truth is that we all should have known better than to expect them to get something right.  So now America is headed for a complete and total disaster as Obamacare is fully implemented over the next several years.  Obamacare is going to absolutely shred the infrastructure of our medical system, it is going to send health insurance premiums soaring, it is going to dramatically expand the size and the scope of government, it is going to fundamentally alter the relationships between doctors and their patients and it is one of the largest tax increases in U.S. history.  Not only that, it is also going to add about a trillion dollars to our national debt over the next decade.  So no, the Obamacare decision is not good news.  Obamacare was one of the worst pieces of legislation in American history, and now we are stuck with it.


It was a 5-4 decision to uphold Obamacare, and the swing vote was Chief Justice John Roberts who was appointed by George W. Bush.

After the vote today, it is hard to have any faith in the U.S. Supreme Court.  Many constitutional conservatives kept voting for Republicans in the hope that the direction of the Supreme Court would change, but it hasn’t.

Prior to the Obama administration, Republicans controlled the White House for 20 out of 28 years.  If Republicans were going to fundamentally change the nature of the Supreme Court, that was their opportunity.

But it didn’t happen.

Instead, what we have is a Supreme Court that is dominated by judges that have very little respect for the U.S. Constitution.  When I was in law school I got to study the Supreme Court pretty closely and I quickly realized that most of the time they simply do whatever they want to do and they make up whatever reasons they can to justify their decisions.

That sounds really bad, but that is the truth.

And thanks to the Supreme Court, we are stuck with Obamacare – at least for now.

The following are 15 reasons why the Obamacare decision is a mind blowing disaster for America….

#1 According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the federal government has the power to force you to buy private goods and services.  Now that this door has been opened, what else will we be forced to buy in the future?

#2 Obamacare is another step away from individual liberty and another step toward a “nanny state” where the government dominates our lives from the cradle to the grave.

#3 The IRS is now going to be given the task of hunting down and penalizing millions of Americans that do not have any health insurance.  In fact, the Obama administration has given the IRS 500 million extra dollars “outside the normal appropriations process” to help them enforce the provisions of Obamacare that they are in charge of overseeing.

#4 Obamacare imposes more than 20 new taxes on the American people.  You can find a comprehensive list of Obamacare taxes right here.  If you love paying higher taxes, then you are going to absolutely love Obamacare once it is fully implemented.

#5 In an attempt to “control costs” and “promote efficiency”, Obamacare limits the treatment options that doctors and patients can consider.  This is likely to result in a decrease in life expectancy in the United States.

#6 Obamacare is going to impose nightmarish paperwork burdens on doctors, hospitals and the rest of the healthcare system.  This is going to significantly increase our healthcare costs as a nation.

#7 Obamacare is going to send health insurance premiums soaring.  This is especially true for younger Americans.

#8 Many small businesses are going to be absolutely crushed by the provisions in Obamacare that require them to provide expensive health insurance coverage for their employees.  This is going to make them even less competitive with companies in other countries where businesses are not required to provide healthcare for their workers.  This is also going to make it even less attractive for businesses to hire new employees.

#9 Obamacare is going to make the emerging doctor shortage in America a lot worse.  Surveys have found that we could potentially see hundreds of thousands of doctors leave the medical profession because of Obamacare.

#10 Obamacare has already forced the cancellation of dozens of doctor-owned hospitals.

#11 Obamacare is going to result in a much bigger federal government.  In order to fully implement all of the provisions of Obamacare, hordes of new government bureaucrats will be required.

#12 Thanks to Obamacare, you are going to have to wait much longer to see a doctor.  Just look at what happened once Romneycare was implemented in Massachusetts….

In fact, we have already seen the start of this process in Massachusetts, where Mitt Romney’s health care reforms were nearly identical to President Obama’s. Romney’s reforms increased the demand for health care but did nothing to expand the supply of physicians. In fact, by cracking down on insurance premiums, Massachusetts pushed insurers to reduce their payments to providers, making it less worthwhile for doctors to expand their practices. As a result, the average wait to get an appointment with a doctor grew from 33 days to over 55 days.

#13 Obamacare contains all kinds of insidious little provisions that most people don’t even know about.  The following is one example from the Alliance Defense Fund….

“Did you know that with ObamaCare you will have to pay for life-saving drugs, but life-ending drugs are free. One hundred percent free. If this plan were really about health care wouldn’t it be the other way around?”

#14 As if the U.S. government was not facing enough of a crisis with entitlement spending, it is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls.  You and I will be paying for all of this.

#15 The Congressional Budget Office estimates that Obamacare will add more than a trillion dollars to government spending over the next decade.  Considering the fact that the U.S. government is already drowning in debt, how in the world can we afford this?

So what do you think about the Obamacare decision?

Please feel free to post a comment with your thoughts below….

  • Ameen

    Everyone is apparently going nuts…..

  • mondobeyondo

    One small step for the Supreme Court, one giant leap towards socialized medicine.

    • I hope to God that this is true.

      Those who oppose affordable care for all seemingly have no empathy for their fellow citizens who have no access to health care of any kind.

      “Socialized medicine” — bring it on.

      You know what, don’t give me that ‘you people can always go to the emergency room’ crap. That is so far out of reality (as a form of real health care, as opposed to acute care) that I’m not even going to address it.

      • DownWithLibs

        Then by all means, the optimist, YOU pay for it!!!!!!

        • IdjitH8R

          You pay for it anyway. Whether it’s “mandated” or not. Why do you think costs are so high?

          If somebody who had no insurance and no job, let’s say me for instance, was in an accident and taken to a hospital, who is going to pay the bill? Most likely it won’t be me. I have a 10 year old car, less than 1000 dollars to my name and no property or “real estate” (goods) to speak of. My net worth is marginal.

          So, that means I pay pennies on the dollar for my bill and YOU pay the rest. Which is why YOUR bill is so high and mine is so low.

          This Act will lower your medical bills. It will give me coverage so you won’t have to pay my bills by having them tacked onto yours.

          Get it?

          • fdjsdjosoe

            I can see assisting “fellow citizens” who are not capable of providing health insurance for themselves for a legitimate reason. The problem is that too many people are just plain lazy, don’t have jobs and live off of handouts. I get tired of people saying they can’t find a job when I see help wanted signs in windows of local businesses. Swallow your pride, get off your ass and get a job.

      • Doogie

        So when you reach age 50 and get cancer…..remember there will be no treatment for you, only pallative care. Check out UK and Canada system if you dont believe it. So, no whining – your getting what you want.

  • I saw this coming since 2010. Well, guess what? I’m saving up my money
    and then moving out. America is done and gone. The Stress of staying here
    is not worth it.The sheeple won’t wake the f!8k up and are too much into
    reality TV, Sports, Materialistic worship, etc. A one world government and
    economic collapse closer than you think as well.

    • Alyanna

      Sounds about right to me

    • Afi K. James

      Chris I Blame the 1990’s for all this, it was the beginning of the end.

    • EW

      So, where you going to move that does not have Universal health care, taxes, television, advertising, or anything else you are trying to run away from?

    • Move out where? The New World Order has all the bases covered.

  • HecatesMoon

    I keep hearing and reading “…how people are going to react now that it is being called a tax.”
    Why the hell does it matter what you call it? Call it a tax or call it a fine. Either word you use ultimately means the same thing. It is PUNISHMENT if you do not buy this product. PUNISHMENT.
    I feel so depressed….

  • Chris

    Truly a sad day for The United States Constitution….

  • Cinderella Man

    This sucks I had a faint glimmer of hope that we still have a constitutional following SCOTUS but instead we have schills that only have the interests of the big insurance companies and big pharma at heart. How are we going to afford this? How am I going to come up with extra money to buy insurance? I can barely afford to eat let alone pay for expensive insurance. Enjoy this moment Gary2 smile now cry later. Barry is going to take our tax returns if we cant pay for insurance. Mark my words it will happen. Shame on you justice Roberts your betrayal will be forever etched in my memory. I feel sick and sad and definetly not proud of my country today. We will all be lucky if we have a job next year this is the deathblow to the economy.

    • Gary2

      low income will be paid through subsidies. It will cost you little to nothing. Read the plan. You need to turn off fox and think for your self.

      And yes this is the first step towards socialized medicine which is the ultimate goal.

      • libertyin413

        And just where, pray-tell, do “subsidies” come from? Let me give you a hint… tax payers… or in other words producers, you know the people that your ilk is constantly declaring are being exploited by evil capitalists to suit their own desires and aspirations and that that is why we need more unionizations. So who is exploiting the producers now to suit their own desires and aspirations?
        “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money. ”
        ― Margaret Thatcher

        • Gary2

          that’s right we are going to tax the wealthy to keep us healthy

          • Guido

            At least your comment rhymed.

      • Cinderella Man

        Shut up ***** this is terrible and you are so ****** stupid Gary!! I like you sometimes but you are way off on this one bud!! This is a terrible over reach of the federal govt.s power!!! This is a dangerous step towards tyranny and all you can think about is freebees!! Nothing in this world is free man we are all going to pay for this! I dont listen to that Fox BS BTW im strictly internet news.

        • Gary3

          Don’t be too hard on Gary2, he is a Wisconsin Liberal Democrat who is still reeling from the stinging defeat of backwards Barret in the gubernatorial election. Never anything positive to say, the right is always wrong and the left is never wrong. Gary2 has always relied on someone to either give him a paycheck or government assistance check. Never owned a business to employe anyone. Just a bitter little man. Got that about right Gary2?

          • Randome-11
          • Gary2

            You are correct in that barrett was a poor candidate. The right gave their max to walker and we gave out min to barrett. We deserved to loose. Too bad for WI as Walker is terrible. Anyway how do you account for the folks who vote walker and then vote Obama? talk about cognitive disadense. (SP wrong)

          • Gary2

            PS–Everyone knows walker is John Doe and will hopefully be removed from office.

          • ME

            He thinks “the wealthy” will just sit around and let his ilk steal all their money.

        • Scott

          Maybe the Republicans will pass a bill now for Gary, mandatory subscription to the Limbaugh letter, heavy tax fine for failure to comply. With the Roberts ruling, they could now theoretically do it.

          • Gary2

            talk about a false equivalency comparing bimbo to the ACA.

      • Scott

        Wrong. You might get reimbursed by the government if you can convince some government bureaucrat that you are low income, and only after putting up the money for insurance yourself, that is if you have it.

    • Gay Veteran

      why are you surprised at how Roberts voted? he is a corporate whore who voted for Big Pharma and the insurance companies

      • Cinderella Man

        I know this GV im not one of the blind i know we live in a corporacy not a free republic

      • Guido

        Actually, there seem to be some very interesting aspects to this. Court watchers are looking at the opinions and saying they don’t quite make sense. They said it looks like he changed his mind at the last minute. The Conservatives disagreed with him. Oddly, the Liberals also disagreed with him about his unique interpretation of what a tax is. Apparently, they supported the Commerce Clause point, not his ridiculous activist reaching for some way to save the bill.
        It’s sort of amusing to consider that he’s on the wrong side and even the people on the wrong side think he’s wrong.

  • marK

    The Supreme Court has got it wrong many times. Wickard vs Filburn comes to mind. How in the world can the government tell a farmer that he can’t grow grain to feed to his own livestock. With the Courts idea that Congress can Tax ( FINE YOU ) you for not buying something is nuts. The court has made an oversized federal government into a much larger monster. If the democrats take control of the congress and the executive branch again things will become darker very quickly. The republicans are not great, but they would not have given us Obamacare and the tax increases with it.

    • EW

      How dare farmers take billions of handouts in the forms of subsidies while complaining about government interference?

  • Colin

    This law has fundamentally changed the well being of our country for the worst on so many levels. This completely opens the door for the stripping of more individual liberties one by one and now the precedent has been set, expect many more to come.

  • VegasBob

    We might as well change the name of the country to the Communist States of America.

  • Stan522

    This decision spells for a landslide for Mitt……unless they can get enough dead people and illegals to vote.

    This is evil from top to bottom. I fully expect there to be riots this Summer as more and more of these obama atrocities occur.

    • jaxon64

      I actually have been getting a re-occuring daydream and nightmares of a different kind Stan. My friends and family find me almost annoyingly optomistic and cheerful no matter the circumstances but I’ve been feeling/sensing something on our way soon.

      A great unexplained uneasiness has come over me the past few weeks and Michael, you can size me for a tinfoil hat if you wish-but I get this gut wrenching certainty that this will occur. I’m not a date-setter or making any specific predictions or prognostications–just an inner voice telling me to get my house in order and look out for loved ones.

      I’m not predicting a time, day or hour but something wicked this way comes. I believe that rioting and civil unrest are coming but I feel as if it will come from a different direction. I am really worried that if Obama loses the election in November that there will be rioting and fires burning across inner-cities across the country. Maybe someone in the media will generate a story of some kind of voting impropriety, maybe the OWStreeters will reemerge but more violently, maybe the race baiting that this president has done will finally erupt;maybe the union thugs get bolder, maybe the class warfare that the President has been fomenting breaks out into Section 8ers and the working poor invading and looting upper end neighborhoods; maybe Zimmerman will be set free and this sets it off ( if murders and riots occurred nationwide when Rodney King was assaulted imagine what will happen if an innocent teen murder victim goes unpunished)? maybe there will be another issue that brings about martial law or prevents a transition of POTUS–I don’t know the source of it but I’m really uneasy about what may be headed our way.

      I’ll be preparing for some interruption in basic services and doing a lot of praying. I may be guaranteed exemption from God’s wrath ( 1 Thes 5:9) but things could get pretty ugly by the hands of man while we watch and wait…I’m not a prophet and I don’t foresee the end of the world or any apocolypse but I can’t shake this feeling that things are gonna get really ugly this Oct and Nov.

      • Michael


        I am right there with you as you can see from the article I put up yesterday on The Economic Collapse….



      • Stan522

        jaxon64, I’ve had that “feeling” for over a year. I have been preparing ever since. Our sense of history as a nation is warped at best. Look at the history of mankind. We have bee raping and pillaging since the beginning of time. We have murdered and killed forever. We have been with corruption and evil. We have always had killing, evil governments and that has been most of history. Why should we think this way would ever end–?

        Americans have turned soft and my gut says this peace and esoteric, tree hugging crap is about to end. I don’t think we will make it to the November elections, especially if obama senses the strength of the movement against him. There are evil men behind him. He is a puppet and there are those pulling his strings.

        Call it “preparation” for possible earthquakes, floods, storms, etc. Give your family a plan of survival. If nothing happens then you are ready for a natural disaster. God will handle the rest……

  • Stan522

    I’m afraid the only thing left to do is revolution…… This government crumbles to its knees if all taxpaying citizens opt out……

    ….and since that is barely half of us this ought to be easy ;-]

  • Guido

    What do you do when the so-called court of last resort can’t get it right, either?
    I can’t believe how many conservative twits are saying this was a great day for the system and how lucky we are to live in a nation where we solve these problems in court. What a joke.

    Go download yourself a copy of the Chinese Barefoot Doctor’s Handbook. If America’s going to go full-retard, you might as well prepare to take care of yourself.

    • xander cross

      Again, something is very wrong with Gudio? It’s like he is just plan stupid. Just like ron paul.

      • Guido

        You’ve probably never had the fedgov provide your healthcare. I have. I’ve seen where it leads and just what quality service you get. I don’t need them screwing around with my health again. Like the USAF pilot who went in for an outpatient gall bladder procedure and lost both his legs. Or the soldier I knew who had a severe back injury, but the Army didn’t want to give him an MRI and got him useless back massage and anti-psychotic meds, instead. Or the soldier I knew who was ignored and accused of malingering when he complained of training-related injuries to his shoulder and was left with 10-20% loss of movement.

        Naaaah, I’m “…just plan(sic) stupid,” as you said.

        BTW-you can tell this is a more fair and just system when it doesn’t apply to Congress or their staffers.
        Go read Animal Farm some time.

      • Guido

        Xander, you’re slipping. You forgot to accuse me of being a racist, too.

        I’m opposed to Barry-Care because it helps minorities and women and I really hate minorities and women. I’m not sure, but I think some homosexuals may also benefit and if that happens, I’ll blow a gasket.

        This bill must be stopped before it can benefit any minorities, women, or homosexuals. You can burn the founding documents and throw my freedoms out the window-just don’t help minorities, women, and homosexuals.

        • Gary2

          Guido–Xander does not need to keep calling out your racism and homophobia–you do a good job reminding us in your posts.

          • ME

            I’m one too.

  • Buzzy Watts

    After all the money the insurance companies spent getting this passed, there was no way that the Supreme Court would strike it down. I’m amazed the decision wasn’t 9-0.

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  • judy

    Clearly, this is a judgement from God…the scum in the white house is a luciferarian…his heart is evil…thus, his deeds are evil….he means ONLY the demise of the country….as well the country deserves it…how many babies are slaughtered everyday in the name of “choice”? People find joy anymore in torturing children and animals…there’s no end to the evil we find ourselves in….sad, very sad.

    • xander cross

      No, you’re very sad and as usual, you religion and yet, you’re going to use obamacare and just lying. Just like how Michael will take full advantage of obamacare as well.

    • Gary2

      Are Gog and Magog luciferarian???

      • DownWithLibs

        Mixed up the blue and red pills again, Gary2?

  • DaytoDay

    It’s over Michael… They got us…

    I’m serious, we are witnessing the pull of the lever. Welfare will double in 10yrs and like you said, the “incentive” to hire new employees will be virtually non-existent, but guess what? You still have to have health insurance even if you’re unemployed, because it’s the LAW now!

    Get ready folks, 6 months for doctors visits, and 2yrs for surgery… That’s what’s coming, and yes, you will receive “free” medical care (If you can call it that) But doesn’t anyone stop to ask about the quality of health care from now on?

    Because, now that health care is free and universal, any time someone sneezes they will go to the doctor… Don’t you all understand? Emergency rooms will be standing room only 24/7…

    Then again, I can see why people like it. Because 50 million Americans (1/3 of the population) Can’t afford health care anyway, so some is better then none I suppose. But if you look at the bigger picture, doctors offices and hospitals will be so full ALL of the time, you’re never going to be able to get you “free” healthcare when you need it, especially when it’s a REAL emergency, because there will be people in there from; Sneezing and Coughing, to Skin Knees, to Soar Throats… You name it… Because it’s all FREE!!!

    • mondobeyondo

      I for one, am not looking forward to 6 hour waits in the emergency room.
      Isn’t the emergency room for, like, EMERGENCIES??
      Heart attacks, gunshot wounds, and stuff like that.

      Brace yourselves for overworked physicians. Doctors simply giving up and throwing in the towel. Yes, free medical care for everyone, as long as you don’t die before the doctor sees you.

      • EW

        When was the last time you were in a public ER, the waits are 6 hours NOW because it is the only place low income people go when they have no preventative care options. Then they can’t pay their ER bills and the cost is passed on into higher costs for everyone.

        • Guido

          Bah, the emergency room and the ambulance are a joke. I have a relative who has been working in the field for some time and he estimates 95% of their calls are lazy jerks who game the system for their own benefit, not legitimate calls.

          They waste hours and untold amounts of money on lazy, selfish, stupid jerks who use the ambulance as a free ride to the liquor store. They call 911 to talk to people because they’re lonely. They call with fake symptoms, knowing suffocation and heart attacks will bring the ambulance fastest. They call for a guaranteed warm bed overnight. They call to make the paramedics chase them. They call to get someone to open the fridge and hand them a drink-something they refuse to do because they weigh 400 pounds and can’t/won’t get out of their la-z-boy recliner.

          These lazy jerks actually monopolize resources and cause truly needy people to go without care or even die. My relative has seen it happen-someone goes without attention so they can babysit some scumbag. Maybe the police kept these folks in line in the old days with “stick time,” but these days, the inmates are running the asylum.

          In my opinion, these cases of “The Boy Who Cried Wolf” need to be cut off from future treatment. If you call 911 for a babysitter, you don’t get help in the future. It seems just to me.

          Then, there are the illegals, who suck up funds and run E-rooms into the dirt. Out in the southwest, they’re running E-rooms into bankruptcy. Here, locally, they fill up the E-room for every complaint. My niece once suffered a miscarriage and went to the E-room with serious pain and bleeding. 3+ hours later, it was all over but the crying when she was finally seen by a doc.

          In my home town, one guy did figure out how to speed up the E-room. He walked in wearing an ICE windbreaker, approached the front desk, and then pretended to be calling back to ICE, commenting there were a lot of possible suspects in the room. The illegals disappeared and he was able to get help quickly.

          These days, with the economy failing, I don’t think the fedgov can afford to offer existing social services, let alone this ridiculous new mess they’ve created. I think the ultimate result will be the collapse of public spending, especially if and when hyperinflation hits.

          I think what may result is a 2 tier system like Poland has. In Poland, you can go to the gov’t run system for medical care, but it is very, very second-rate care with long waits. You can also pay for 1rst-rate care with personal attention, better quality treatment, and so on. That may be illegal now under Barry-Care, but money talks and it will have a lot more to say as if/when the economy collapses.

          Meantime, you might want to invest in your own medical/medicinal/herbal knowledge. Get the Barefoot Doctor’s Handbook and Where There Is No Doctor while you still can. Medical care in this country is only going to get more stupid under this system.

          • HecatesMoon

            Sorry about your niece. That is so hard. :(

      • Guido

        EW is right, we’re already here. Doctors ARE retiring and threatening to retire. Plus, we don’t graduate enough to keep up with year-to-year losses from retirements. They’re bringing in second-rate foreign doctors to work in our hospitals. There’s also a cash-is-king mindset developing. After being burned by Medicaid and Medicare and insurance companies, docs are treating cash-paying customers with much better service and refusing the gov’t customers.

        The sad fact of the matter is, the feds are the source of most of our misery vis-a-vis medical care. Keep in mind, they control every aspect of it from beginning to end.

        Their retarded rules prevent new hospitals, stifle innovation, prevent purchase of new equipment, keep residency slots low, prevent competition in insurance, keep drug prices high, and otherwise screw everything up. More fedgov meddling will not improve the situation.

        I was in the military, so I’ve seen what this will eventually look like. We used to have a joke:
        Q-What do you call a Doctor who graduated in the bottom of his med school class?

        In addition to the wonderful low-quality 2nd-rate medical attention we got, Tricare, the military medical provider, actually handed out books titled, “Take Care of Yourself.” They were books full of home remedies for various ailments. I found it very disturbing to be getting a home remedy book from my health care provider.

        When Hilary Care was being debated, there was talk of a black market hospital ship that was going to be set up offshore for people who were willing to pay for quality care. I wonder if she’ll become a reality now?

    • HecatesMoon

      I am on adult medicaid- bipolar disorder with A.D.D. I would rather come out and say that to the whole world than have people thinking I am schizophrenic at least. :P
      My doctor has a a couple offices in the city that take various people’s insurances. The office where I live though is basically a medicaid office. I have seen this doctor most of my life. Originally, for the misdiagnosis of clinical depression.
      As a child I saw him in the city on my mother’s insurance. I remember that the sessions were hour long, and I believe the times between visits were shorter. I stopped seeing him when I was 19.
      I moved here to the country, and as an adult, decided to go back to him at his office here- the medicaid office. It took three months to get in with the counselor for my first assessment and another three months to actually see my psychiatrist.
      When first officially given the new diagnosis and placed on medications I did a lot of research. I found out that I was supposed to be monitored very closely on new medication, that I should have behavioral therapy.
      My appointments have always been three months apart, behavioral therapy was never mentioned, and the first medications that I was put on made me WORSE. In fact, one almost ruined my life. I rode out the worst hell ever with no real back up from the psychiatrist for it.
      For a very short period, my sessions were then closer together as I was considered a crisis case by that time.
      Always at the medicaid office, before, during the crisis, and after, the length of my appointments are about ten minutes.
      My son is a part of the system too. It took me over a YEAR to get him into the psychiatrist’s office.
      Welcome to the system, folks. :/

      • EW

        And yet you choose to use the medicaid system rather than have nothing… Funny how that works.

        • HecatesMoon

          Yes, I have medicaid. I qualify for medicaid, because I have a condition that is ongoing and that has impaired my ability to function in every day life. I don’t feel like one of the lucky ones. ha!
          Had I been pushed into applying for medicaid as insurance against future, possible ailments I would have been rejected. Had that been the case, I could have skipped out of the state office as happily as you please.
          Outside of my ongoing condition, the last place you will ever find me is a doctor’s office or a hospital, and where the ongoing care is concerned, I am wanting to step away from that care more and more too…
          For people with the option to have better care than me, why would I wish less on them?
          EW, you cannot make the world a fair place, no matter how hard you try. The best you can do is to go through life and take the good you get and the bad you get from it, and care for and help those individuals you know or meet along the way using whatever you have whether that’s a little or a lot. Currently, some people have great medical care. You have people who have mediocre care for any number of reasons, and you have people with no medical care, because they don’t want to purchase it or they CANT purchase it. For those that can’t purchase it, it isn’t fair that other people have it.
          We will now switch over to a system where everyone has, but people that once had better care will now likely have lesser quality care. That’s not fair to them.
          People on medicaid take up ER space unnecessarily just as much as people with no insurance do. A lot of them would rather just go and sit a few hours than take the time to make a phone call and wait for a real appointment 24 hours later. On the upside though, more and more walk-in clinics are popping up. We now have two of them here.
          For those who can’t afford to purchase insurance, but don’t qualify for medicaid, maybe a better solution to that problem than making it mandatory for people to purchase a product, and using tax as a punishment for people who don’t wish to purchase it WOULD be a federally run insurance company or expanded medicaid that was paid for instead by not wasting money to find out how much crack a gorilla can snort in one sitting, or how often dogs will sniff each other’s butts in one day, or any number of the other insane little projects or research programs they may be engaging in. They could also fund it by giving other countries a lot less money.
          The money to expand medicaid and offer care for those people in that gray area is already out there if the government would choose to use it for the worth of it’s own people, and every one might not have to have lower quality care.
          Well, actually I guess the money isn’t out there technically. We are flippin’ broke, but if we’re going to spend money we don’t have until we fall over dead, we might as well use it for our own people.
          I am not a cold, unkind person, believe me. I’m not against people having medical care, because they are poor. I am against lower quality for ALL. I am against the method that’s being used to get coverage for those who don’t have it. I’m against all the things that this order has the potential to lead to.
          If the government would like to use the money they are wasting and funnel it instead into a program to help those left out instead of taking this gigantic step further to obliterating whatever is left of our form of government, I will be a number one supporter!

    • Tatiana Covington

      Oh, ***** law. It’s just paper and ink. Fahrenheit 451 and all that.

    • ME

      I hear that in England some doctors close up entirely every year after they have seen their quota of patients.

  • asd

    Ya, I feel so sorry for doctors. You really think Doctors are going to quit and work at McDonald’s. There are no jobs out there. There is still some billing corruption that must be monitored regularly.

  • Graham

    Re Obama:-

    The following is one reason why Obama (himself) “may yet be proven”… to be a mind blowing disaster for America and the rest of the Western world, namely the G5, G8 and G20 countries. The guy is sure looking like a Who exactly is controlling him? Remember the Obama of 2008? Positive change? Where?

    The link below will take you directly to a 20 page document presented to all the Hereditary Peers in the UK House of Lords. If you have any doubts about Obama’s legitimacy as a US President, this document thoroughly details every known fact. Whilst Lord Monckton is not a sitting or voting Lord, he is still able to use his title under existing UK laws re hereditary peers.

    Some of you may already have come across the recent interview on YouTube re his analysis of the Rio+20 meeting. It might be worth taking note of what this guy is saying, especially over the next 6-9 months. Is Obama the President of the United States “Corporation”, which has little to do with being the President of the US Republic, as per the 1776 Constitution? If this proves to be the case, what does the existing $16 Trillion debt have to do with “we the people”? The latter is an important question. It is not the people’s debt, so why should they be illegally taxed through the IRS to pay it off?

    I hope others research all this very thoroughly. As it stands, I see little in the way of solutions being proposed. Just an acceleration of fear. This produces negative energy and something is clearly “feeding” off that energy. People are kept in a perpetual state of fear as they are easy to manipulate and control, especially by religion and government. Freedom? Where? Everything looks to me like complete enslavement. Am I wrong?

    Solutions Michael?

    1) Monckton Briefing Document (Obama)

    2) Monckton Interview (Rio+20)

    3) The United States is Still a British Colony (?)

    • Graham


      the missing word in the first paragraph is “looking like a.. MARXCIST”

    • ME

      USA Constitution written 1787 and adopted 1789.

  • catscradle

    how do i feel about the decision? shocked, numb, betrayed, angry, disillusioned, sad to name a few emotions. in the end i agree what many have said in the blogosphere- The Constitution is hereby declared null and void…America as founded, a grand experiment in liberty and freedom for all, a beacon of hope and good for the world, is dead. RIP USA and may God have mercy on us all for what is to follow.

    • Jodi

      I agree. Yesterday, I felt the same way, depressed and angry. Yep, RIP USA!

  • Gary2

    We won on Obamacare–Suck on that you libertarians and conservatives (is there a difference??). This country is finally doing something sane and helping the poor. Next stop–single payer!

    • Alyssa

      And why worry ? We can simply print as much money as needed to pay for everything. Raise the minimum wage to $1m/yr!

    • justadad

      The poor are the losers in this decision.
      This is a tax increase and corporations will do what they have always done – pass the cost down to the consumer.
      The rights of the poorest in this country have been stripped and you are celebrating?

      • Gary2

        we are gonna tax the wealthy to keep us healthy! I am so happy!

        • Guido

          We’ll see how you feel in a few years. The plan is unsustainable. Besides, how do you reconcile your screw-the-wealthy mantra to the fact that Congress and their minions won’t be covered by it? Doesn’t that seem a little “all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others” to you?

    • jayhawk

      We hope so, since they are creating more poor while they are at it. Gary Gary Gary. So much faith in man. It’s all going to hell in a handbasket. Republicans were only in charge of economics. The liberal degenerate ‘progressives’ have controlled all the social engineering, i.e. Hollywood, MSM and many social laws. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. The powers that be do not want to help us Gary. When are you going to figure that out?

    • jaxon64

      Don’t be so gleeful Gary2…in 10 years or so when you are older and get sick and the cost vs productivity panel determines that the cost of care for you versus your projected production as a citizen of the Republik projects as a negative value–well then you will be wait listed until you are a non-entity.

      Everyone needs to re-visit the Stimulus Bill..aka HR1…aka Recovery and Reinvestment Act…

      direct quote from Title Vi sec 3.2 of HR3200…” The “Comparative Effectiveness Research Commission” will determine what medicine and treatments are effective enough to be worth their expense, and, therefore, which the government will allow patients to receive and will allow to be paid for by “private” insurance. These determinations are to be based on the treatment or prescription being economically “effective,” depending on whether the patient (or a category of patients) is deemed worth the expense because of age, potential productivity, health, and other factors.”

      Sarah Pailn was telling the truth but the media villified her. It is disgusting the collaboration of the Pravda-known as the MSM- and how they have hidden the ultimate goal of this whole health care fiasco. It is to make sure that more of the great unwashed masses DON’T get timely care and maybe Nursing homes, assisted living facilities, VA homes and skilled nursing facilities will be defunded and all of those unproductive baby boomers can just die away.

  • Gary2

    Republicans controlled the White House for 20 out of 28 years.

    And anyone still wonders why this country is in such bad shape and has the worst income inequality ever?

    I am PROUD of pres Obama for finally actually being a progressive and not a spineless conservative lite.

    I can absolutely promise you that single payer is next. Face it right wing d-bags–we won!!!!!

    Tax the wealthy to keep us healthy.

    • justadad

      The wealthy will not be paying this tax.
      The middle class small business owner will be put out of business and will not be able to hire the poor.
      The cost of health care will increase and the quality will decrease.
      You did not win – everybody lost.

    • Afi K. James

      Oh please, nobama is no progressive, he is a puppet of the global elite, he is for THEM just like romney

      Did you hear that giant sucking sound.

    • Scott

      And Democrats Controlled Congress for 40 straight years. What’s your point?

    • ME

      Republicans, but never conservatives. The repubicrats and demopubicans are in bed together.

  • Gary2

    Many constitutional conservatives can go ************** themselves!

    • justadad

      The constitution is what protects your right to post your ignorant comments.
      And it is conservatives that want to protect your right to post your ignorance.

      • xander cross

        Stop lying. You don’t care the about the constitution that says that blacks are 3/4ths of a person and your founding fathers were elitest themselves. You just lying and believe anything that alex jones says.

        • DownWithLibs

          You might need to adjust the cooking time for the humidity, but I think you will truly enjoy this dish!

        • ME

          They were counted as 3/5, not 3/4. In your case, that was obviously way too high.

        • libertarian-nut-job

          Clearly you don’t have a clue what the original intent of the 3/5 clause was, do you? This actually HELPED the slaves by NOT incentivizing slave ownership in the south. By only counting slaves as 3/5 of a man, it ensured that the southern states would NOT gain higher legislative representation numbers simply by bringing in more slaves. You idiots need to learn your history.

  • Gary2

    Michael–all your points mean nothing as this is but the first step towards a single payer system. You have to know we will not stop with Obama care.

    The plan all along is to show the mostly stupid American people how much better single payer is. My son can be on my insurance till 26. Love this. No preexisting conditions–love this. Forcing health insurance companies to actually spend a certain % of their revenue on healthcare and not big CEO salaries. Love that

    • justadad

      The plan all along was for the government to gain control of the money in the health care industry.

      And as we (mostly stupid Americans) know, the government always increases the value and efficiency of anything they take over.

      Why do you want to teach your son to be a mooch until he is only 26? Why not 30 or 40 or 50?

      • Stan522

        You are arguing with an idiot. I think Glenn Beck has a picture of him in his book. It’s pointless. He will just be collateral damage when the left and the right finally take to the streets. His only defense will be to rely on 911 and the gubamint to protect his sorry a$$.

    • Crystal

      Your premiums are going to go sky high. You might not be able to afford health insurance for yourself and your 20-something year old “boy.”

      Do you love the fact that insurance companies are going to go out of business (some already are)and, therefore, take choice away from you?

      • Gay Veteran

        uh Crystal, we were already paying nearly double for health care compared to other Western countries. And cry for the insurance companies, they are now guaranteed profits

      • Stan522

        You are giving too much credit. He seems more like 7.

      • Gary2

        yes I want the insurance companies who are parasites to go out of business.

        Health care is a human right that everyone deserves. It is not m ooching or any other of the retarded right wing nut things. One can hardley be free if you are sick and die young due to lack of healthcare.

  • Gary2

    hey mal and syrian–We won you loose ha ha ha ha.

    • justadad

      Hey Gary2
      Everybody lost, including you.
      Eventually you will kill the goose by your greed and your decendants will suffer.

    • witness the end

      Hey Gary,

      How about that prediction that Wisconsin would sweep Scott Walker and the Repubs out of office in the recall. How’s that working for you? Hahahahah…

      You want to double down on the November elections?

      • Gary2

        yep–Obama will cream mittens and the gop war on women, poor, minorities and everyone else who is not rich and white.

    • jaxon64

      You won a DEATH SENTENCE with your first serious illness after the age of 60 Gary2…and by the way, you don’t expect any of us to actually believe that you work for a company and pay for a health insurance policy do you?

      It will be me and my conservative, hard-working brethren who are paying for your son until he’s 26-and most likely most of his life if he learns his values from you.

      • Gary2

        It will be me and my conservative, hard-working brethren who are paying for your son until he’s 26-and most likely most of his life if he learns his values from you.

        And I thank you in advance for all your hard work. Have you considered getting a second job?

        • HecatesMoon

          And I thank you in advance for all your hard work. Have you considered getting a second job?

          lol That is an awful thing to say, but as much as I hate to say it, it WAS funny.

  • Gary2

    This is so wonderful: d-bagger right wingers will NEVER be able to repeal this. These are very popular with most everyone.

    1) Insurance companies can no longer impose lifetime coverage limits on your insurance.

    2) If you don’t know someone who has run into a lifetime cap, you probably know someone who has run into an annual cap. The use of these will be sharply limited. (They’ll be eliminated entirely in 2014.)

    3) Insurers can no longer tell kids with preexisting conditions that they’ll insure them “except for” the preexisting condition. That’s called preexisting condition exclusion, and it’s out the window.

    4) A special, temporary program will help adults with preexisting conditions get coverage. It expires in 2014, when the health insurance exchanges—basically big “pools” of businesses and individuals—come on-line. That’s when all insurers will have to cover everyone, preexisting condition or not.

    5) Insurance companies can’t drop you when you get sick, either—this plan means the end of “rescissions.”

    6) You can stay on your parents’ insurance until you’re 26.

    7) Seniors get $250 towards closing the “doughnut hole” in their prescription drug coverage. Currently, prescription drug coverage ends once you’ve spent $2,700 on drugs and it doesn’t kick in again until you’ve spent nearly $6,200. James Ridgeway wrote about the problems with the doughnut hole for Mother Jones in the September/October 2008 issue. Eventually, the health care reform bill will close the donut hole entirely. The AARP has more on immediate health care benefits for seniors. Next year (i.e., in nine months), 50 percent of the doughnut hole will be covered.

    8) Medicare’s preventive benefits now come with a free visit with your primary care doctor every year to plan out your prevention services. And there are no more co-pays for preventative services in Medicare.

    • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

      SO Gary, following the logic of obamacare, where the government can force things on you which it shouldn’t, then mandating that every citizen who is over 18 has to have a gun or face a “penalty”, would also be legal. I personally would have no problem with gun ownership, but you, the ever bleeding heart liberal, would. Chose carefully which side you choose, because if you do not support mandated gun ownership as a counterswing, then you cannot really say you support obamacare, after all, both would be the feds forcing us to buy something, am I right? The author of this blog put it much better than I did: http://thewildernessofmirrors.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/time-for-a-mandatory-federal-firearms-law-enter-the-affordable-firearms-act/#comment-1883
      -Young Patriot

      • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

        *note-I am not for federally mandated anything, this is just an argument against obamacare. If the feds get this much power, when will it stop?

    • mondobeyondo

      Never be repealed? Don’t know about that. Mitt Romney himself said that if he were elected President, the first thing he would do would be to repeal Obamacare. He said so this morning. But he’s got to get elected first, and there’s no guarantee that he will beat Obama.

      • Gay Veteran

        the Republicans will not repeal it, they serve the same corporate masters as the Democrats

        wake up

      • Gary2

        the right will bnever have a fillibuster proof majotiry in the senate. No repeal. Mittens will also not win.

    • justadad

      Your arguments are all based on static responses to this bad judgement.
      If it is not repealed, insurance companies will go out of business and goverment panels, not you or doctors, will determine the value of your existence. And the Supreme Court made that decision 40 years and 50 million deaths ago.

      You might as well believe that the government can declare all illness to be gone forever.
      Voila! Obamacure!

      • Gay Veteran

        get a clue, the insurance companies love this law

        and panels already determine the value of your existance, they’re insurance company panels

      • Gary2

        we already have death panel insurance companies determinijng the value of your existance. I would rather have a gov I can vote out than a scum bag corporation only concerned with profit.

    • DL

      Gary2, you are delusional if you think this leads to single-payer! What it does lead to is the govt. now in a position (through “legal precendent”) to force Americans to buy whatever thing the oligarchs want us to buy for their profit under cover of “tax”. By calling it a tax and getting the IRS to enforce it, the govt. can force us to buy carbon credits. Or homeowners insurance. Or flood insurance. Or horses. Or kill our parents once they reach 60. Or force us to have one child only like China, and if we want two kids, we have to pay an extra tax–afterwhich CPS steals the extra kid, anyway (or both more likely) and THEN the parents both get put in jail.

      Gary2 please! Seek the truth! Liberals ain’t gonna save us! Neither will conservatives (or Ron Paul for that matter)

    • witness the end

      That’s nice… until the money runs out.

      • witness the end

        Oh wait… If you never pass a budget the money will never run out! Free money! Whee! Free healthcare! Whee! Print… print… print that money!

    • Scott

      8. You’ll get thrown in jail if you can’t afford it and don’t pay up.

      • Deo

        I’ll sure feel safer knowing the jails are full of those dangerous criminals while pedophiles, rapists and murderers get slaps on the wrist!

    • Crystal

      The Obama Administration has gutted millions of dollars away from Medicare. The elderly will be the group to suffer severe consequences because of Obama’s reform.

    • SWP

      It’s being levied as a TAX.Therefore Gary even if the Chosen one gets another four year the next incoming President can repeal the TAX and remove all of this fiasco and restore sanity.But I see with your way of thinking you would love for the Obummer to remain as President/Dictator till he dies.There are other Countries run that way that I think you would be happier in with you logic.Why wait move now.

      • Gary2

        Its good that it is a tax as it makes my saying “Tax the wealthy to keep us healthy” all the more true.

    • libertarian-nut-job

      I cringe to think those lacking enough intelligence and flouting this as some grand victory, probably didn’t read the bill and realize that was actually written BY the insurance and Big Pharma lobbies. Oops!


      So, the question is, geniuses, what do you think now? You really think the bill is there to ‘protect’ you and ensure your continued health? If you had actually read the text of the bill, you will also find a little nugget in there known as “quality of life years.” Yep, this bill is the awesomest! Barry LOVES me!

  • Graham


    “Big banks craft “living wills” in case they fail”

    NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Five of the biggest banks in the United States are putting finishing touches on plans for going out of business as part of government-mandated contingency planning that could push them to untangle their complex operations………

    (Sorry, going a bit “off topic” as usual)

  • 1stVArifleman

    “All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.”
    John Adams

    “Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”
    Benito Mussolini

    “The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses generally referred to as ‘international bankers.’ This little coterie… runs our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen…[and] seizes…our executive officers… legislative bodies… schools… courts… newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”
    John F Hylan

    “The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity; and worship without sacrifice.”
    Mohandas Ghandi

    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back in to bondage.
    -Alexander Tyler

    A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.
    -Marcus Tullius Cicero

    “Wise men are instructed by reason; men of less understanding, by experience; the most ignorant, by necessity; the beasts, by nature.”
    -Marcus Cicero

    “The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion.”
    -Edmund Burke

    “I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
    -James Madison

    “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”
    -Thomas Jefferson

    Long Live the Constitutional Republic!
    Sic Semper Tyrannis

    • HecatesMoon

      “The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses generally referred to as ‘international bankers.’ This little coterie… runs our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen…[and] seizes…our executive officers… legislative bodies… schools… courts… newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”
      John F Hylan

      This is a very fine statement.

  • HecatesMoon

    Well…I think I ought to quit wallowing now…
    I hate seeing how people call each other names here and insult each other for having different opinions. I think sometimes that BOTH sides are right at the same time, and it’s a matter of where someone thinks more emphasis should be placed than it is someone else being WRONG.
    In cases where I might believe someone IS wrong, it doesn’t change my desire to get along or even to possibly be friends. I don’t have a desire to fight and argue. Discuss, yes. Fight about it, no.
    So, anyway, I have decided to congratulate those of you who are pro-obamacare. The American people didn’t exactly get to vote on it, but I know that a lot of people are happy about it, and had it come to a vote, the outcome may have been the same. I sincerely hope that it does a lot of genuine good, as much as you expect it to or more.

  • vicki

    I wonder, has anyone thought how is the IRS going to track whether or not you have insurance? There was a time when if you didn’t make very much money you would not have to file a return… Guess that’s changed.

    • mondobeyondo

      The Infernal Revenue Service has all the information they need to track you down, believe me.

  • whens dinner?

    What has happened to this Country. I am so disappointed in everyone. The foundation of this Country is almost dead. I’m sure it makes alot of YOU very happy, but it doesn’t make HIM very happy.

  • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

    This article gives me a little hope that maybe, just maybe, the ruling on obamacare was actually beneficial to the people, instead of the great financial trap it was designed to be. Yet I still have little hope for this country.
    -Young Patriot

  • Gary2

    I am guessing by all the gloom and doom posts that the tea billies did not even read a summary of the plan and are simply parroting fox which prominently had a headline saying obamacare was struck down until the dolts figured out they got it wrong.

    What a bunch of retarded ************* fox news is.

    Cheer up tea billies, when we get single payer dental you will be able to have teeth again.

    • Deo

      I just found this site yesterday and Gary2, you are the worst troll ever. I know I’m just feeding you by responding but for ****** sake get over yourself. I don’t understand how you progressives can justify using such nasty invective towards rural, mostly white Americans. I’m going to call you what you are, a vile racist but worse, a disgusting HYPOCRITE. You would never call the Nation of Islam followers a pack of n-words or La Raza a bunch of wetbacks, but it’s ok to use racist terms against whites? Hypocrisy at it’s worst, and you should be ashamed but from my observations, your kind has no clue what shame feels like.

      I saw a lot of your type growing up in DC and I think I figured y’all out pretty well. You cannot succeed in a healthy prosperous society where everyone works hard and behaves themselves. In those societies you are the true Untermenschen and you cannot stand it, so instead of fitting in as well as you can, you poison society so that you won’t be the sickest, most perverted losers out there. The old saying “misery loves company” was probably written about one of your progressive reformer heroes. Again, I say you should be ashamed of yourself but you will never gain the self-awareness to truly examine and question why you believe what you do….but here’s a little link for you anyways. Enjoy!!


      • Gary2

        you won’t be the sickest, most perverted losers out there.

        ah that would be conservatives so I have nothing to worry about. If I want to ever find a sick ******* all I need to do is go to a conservative blog.

    • SWP

      Yes you might get teeth again.Thing is you will have to wait for who knows how long to get them.And the teeth you get might just be made of wood and not what you would like to have.Guess George Washington wouldn’t have minded after all that’s what he had.

  • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

    Can someone explain to me what is going to happen to that bastard, holder? They just voted to convict him, but what does that mean for him? Obviously he won’t go to jail like he should, he’s to deep in barry’s agenda for that. And I doubt Obama’s going to be forced to release the documents he withheld, even though the mere fact that he withheld them allows one to assume that he was somehow involved. And the media has gone back to absolutely no coverage of fast and furious, which is just as big an issue, if not more so, than obamacare. Both need to be ended, and all criminals involved jailed.
    -Young Patriot

    • Zoltanne

      Rep Issa has wiretaps. Holder is as good as guilty now. And who wants to bet Obama is involved?

  • Gary2

    more comments and gloating on our kicking the GOP ass:


    • Deo

      If you think politics is an “us vs. them” thing, like it’s a sporting event, then I’ll just roll my eyes at you like I do at your counterparts on the right. All that kind of crap does is make people hate you even more and write you off as a pack of spoiled, mannerless children.

      Ugh dang it, here I am replying to the troll again….*sigh*

  • Nexus789

    Americans seem to amazingly selfish judging by many of the comments here. The whole society is built on screwing over other people so that many of you can feel good as you step over people in the gutter. Libertarianism and the mantra of Aryn Rand puerile and repulsive and when things are not understood then people with contrary views are ‘commies’, ‘socialists’, etc, terms that the majority of Americans have no idea of the meaning. There are Many other countries have established universal health services and this has reduced health costs. In the UK, Australia, NZ, Canada, Europe, etc, people do not go bankrupt as a result of health care costs. The current health initiatives in the US are a gigantic screw up as they don’t go far enough and represent a perverse and idiotic point between a libertarianism and I’m all right and screw you free for all and a just system that attempts to look after the vulnerable in society.

    • Deo

      Those countries did what works for them, but keep in mind they are all a lot smaller population-wise and have a homogenous population which leads to a high-trust society. When the US was more homogenous, we probably could have had universal healthcare because citizens were actually invested in the country. Now, you are correct when you say everyone is out for their own gain and screw everyone else. Maybe the fact that there’s no common ancestry, race, religion or even language any longer has something to do with it? I know it’s double plus ungood to talk like that and I’m sure it makes me a racist or something but it is what it is.

      • Gary2

        clearly if we were more homogenous we would not spend any time on race issues this is true. It is also true that diversity is WAY over rated. That said I guess we need to play the hand we have. I would love to have a high trust society.

        • Randome-11

          Aren´t “rednecks” part of the oppressed masses? Why are they the ones that gets called bigoted, inbred racists and all that **************?

          Who owned the serfs and still exploited them like hell even after it serfdom was officially abolished in your country? Not poor white peasants, that is for sure.
          Who built 90% of abortion centers near or in non-white neighborhouds? Not poor white peasants or blue collars.
          Who sends their childrens to all-white private schools? Not the “rednecks”.
          Who is ******************** with the third-world? Not the “rednecks” and “trailertrash”.

          It is the “wealthy”.

          Like Deo wrote, will you call la raza illegal wetbags? Will you call the black panthers black trash or black hello kittens?
          Who is racist? The ones assuming poor whites = evul, poor blacks = jesus´s 2nd coming.
          Who is hypocrite? Those who bitched about Travyon martin but where silent when Sudan and Libyan governements, their supporters comitted acts of genocides against black africans.
          Silent all those years the FMI destroyed the livehood of millions of non-whites.

          Are you so much better than conservato-libertarians in this? You sure have the same simplistic black-and-white view.
          Obamacare got both good features and bad features and you should really know better than assume that written law = applied law.
          You make another mistake, assume that taxing the wealthy will avoid the necessity for austerity.
          While they are more than a drain than an asset, contrary to the drivel of the ayn rand whorship collective, the people of your country would still have to spend less than they earn even if those getting +250 000 a year have all of their wealth seized and are forced into working the mines and the public sewers.

    • Gay Veteran

      amen, Nexus789

    • Gary2

      You are 100% correct. Good post!

      the conservative/libertarian are a heathen bunch of Godless selfish bastards.. They worship the athestic ann rand. They will be swimming in the lake of fire for their selfishness.

      There I thought I would put it in terms most of the conservatives on this blog will understand.

    • BeenThere

      The majority of posts in reply to this item seem to confirm your opinion of Americans is correct

    • Guido

      Sure, and they work very well. I remember learning about the success of a study conducted in the UK on cancer patients. The NHS wasn’t trying to care for them, since they were considered terminal cases, anyway, so a doc experimented with giving them large doses of Vitamin C. In some cases, high doses of C appeared to help cure cancer.

      It never might never have been discovered if the British Socialized Medical System weren’t willing to write people off and deny care to patients. BTW-if their systems are so much better, why did so many Canadians and Brits and others come to the US for care? I seem to remember a rather embarrassing incident when a Canadian gov’t official came to the US for care, rather than face the tender mercies of the Canadian medical system. A doctor relative of mine was visiting Canada where he met a resident proud of the Canadian system. He explained his wife’s deadly breast cancer and how she had excellent care-she was eligible for a free blood test every 6 months. No joke!

      Nahh, I’m wrong. The solution for any inequality is always to eliminate freedom and liberty for everyone else.

  • dudeman

    hey gary- GTH and STFU. its libtards that u that make me ashamed to say we are both belong to the same country. i now realize u AINT an american, u ARE the enemy and should be ostracized as such from this discussion board (care to grow a couple michael?). gary, why dont u go back to sesame street with people of like (simple, ignorant) minds like u, u have nothing constructive to offer us here or anywhere i am sure. i am THRU feeling sorry for u

    • Gary2

      dudeman–I feel the exact way about your point of view as you feel about mine. The thing is I have proof mine works where as you do not. I know little things like facts do not matter to conservatives but just becuase you may believe something is one way does not mean it really is that way

    • Gay Veteran

      I see dudeman is ready for his brownshirt, with his talk about “u AINT an american, u ARE the enemy”

      get a clue, this left/right garbage does nothing but distract the people from the real enemies: the Wall Street banksters, the top 0.1% (NOT the top 1%) like the scumbag billionaire Koch brothers, the mega-corporations shipping American jobs to India, China, Vietnam, etc.

  • Synick46

    The end result will be the opposite of the promise. True health care will only be available to the very rich. The rest of us will be paying a very high price for little to no health care.

  • Jodi

    I was absolutely devastated yesterday when the ruling came in on Obamacare. I had tears in my eyes, I couldn’t believe it. I sure hope that this ruling is a turning point for people to ‘wake up’. Please wake up if you haven’t. I believe this is going to help Romney but unfortunately I don’t trust him either. Why is it we always have an unfair choice in presidential elections?

    • Gary2

      you are a major d-bag if you cried over this. Typical tea billie–don’t you want a new set of teeth so you do not need to gum your food anymore???

      • Guido

        Wow, are you a sore winner, or what? So hateful…

      • Jodi

        Gary, you and your low life socialist friends should move to Europe. You would fit in much better.

        • Gary2

          this from a d-bag who cried about obama care.

  • Canuck Chris

    I’m a bit confused about what all of the fuss is? Canada has had universal medicare available for the last 60+ years. Our medical premiums are $50 per month (low income earners have their fees reduced). That is for unlimited medical (not dental or drugs) coverage.

    How much will the premiums be for the same coverage under Obamacare?

    Right now, it appears to me like the medical system in the US is reserved for the rich. What better way to keep the lower income majority oppressed than by refusing them the ability to be healthy. Obamacare semms like an honest attempt to help the American people

  • dan

    If you trust and believe in BIG government and being made to obey…this is a sweet victory for you…If you believe in self reliance and responsibility with limited government….a total loss and more to come….the only way to change things in this country was the ballot box…see where that has gotten us….no more voting will do the trick…

    • xander cross

      Stop lying. You are going to use obamacare and like it. we know you will.

      • DownWithLibs

        I was wondering about carrot allergies myself.

  • Gary2

    Believe in America again!

    I want my fellow citizens to have the same level of health care that Scalia’s family has. Mitt
    Romeney’s sons don’t deserve better care than my sons. It is not my sons and daughters fault
    that their dad was not rich. No one was more frugal and hard working than my father, he achieved a great deal for a blue collar worker. However his legacy was not passed to me or my sons it went to the medical industry. Just the way the rich want it, ( filthy peasant ) stay away from my country club.

    Justice Roberts, whatever my previous disagreements with you, thank you for allowing me to believe in America once again as a benevolent country that is of the people, for the people, by the people.

    • Guido

      Nope, I disagree. They deserve the best, if they want to pay for it. Cash is king.

      (If you believe money won’t matter in the future, you’re sorely mistaken. BTW-those guys already get better care than you can afford and they always will. Gov’t folks get sweet benefits and they’re exempt from this law.)

      There’s no reason why I shouldn’t be able to pay for better care than you if I want. There is no reason on God’s Green Earth why I shouldn’t be able to buy the care I desire.

      What else should I not be able to have, if I want to pay for it? How about a cool car? What if I want to buy better clothes than you? What if I want to give my kids a better education? Or better shoes? Or a better vacation? Or better food? Or a better computer? Xbox360 or violin lessons or gold-plated toilets?

      Actually, you DO sound like a peasant. You sound like an envious, small-minded peasant like the useful idiots who put the Bolsheviks in power. The kind of peasants who turned in their neighbors as enemies of the state, accused each other of hoarding grain, and who looked on smugly as innocent Kulaks were executed or exiled for the crime of having a little more than they did.

      I think this is the most revealing statement from you that I’ve ever seen. It’s really all about your personal self-esteem and your envy of others. You’ve got a petty, hateful outlook on life. You sound like you blame everyone else for your problems and hold a grudge against them for their success. As long as you’re stuck in a Keeping Up With The Joneses mindset, you’re always going to be miserable. How sad.

      Just keep in mind, your nasty attitude has helped to propel an evil law into place. An evil law that is counter to everything for which this nation stands. An evil law that will ruin our economy and even help destroy the fedgov welfare system. (Cloward and Piven, anyone?) An evil law that will help destroy this nation. And, meanwhile, no matter how badly you and the other small-minded peasants wreck the nation, the Romneys and Scalias (and me, too, if I have anything to say about it) will still buy better care than you can afford.

      I think your mindset is pretty nasty. It’s the envious mindset of a child who would rather destroy something beautiful he can’t have than permit someone else to enjoy it. How sad.

  • Watchandpray

    For those who thought the Supreme Court would stand between them and tyranical government, now you know.
    All I heard yesterday on talk radio was a near hysterical demand that we put republicans in control of both houses of congress so we could repeal this thing. Yeah, just like they repealed Roe V. Wade the last time
    they controlled congress. Nobody represents us. Nobody is listening to us. This game is rigged.

    • Gary2

      talk radio=trash

  • DL

    What I want to know is this: how will the IRS (even with 16,000 new agents) enforce paying a tax if you don’t have health insurance when nearly 50 million Americans don’t have health insurance?

    Even better: what smart enterprising entreprenuer will come up with a scheme that one can pay into (for cheap) whereby a person who does not want ObamaCare can get some kinda “certificate” of having health insurance that looks like the real thing but is just a piece of paper someone has to avoid the tax?

    Or what about folks with HSAs? I wonder if (like those who post a $55,000 bond at the local courthouse in lieu of car insurance) someone could post a certain dollar-amount bond at the local courthouse in lieu of health insurance?

    Some bright individual WILL come up with a work-around to ObamaCare, and it just might work, considering what a bunch of bozos work for the IRS (no better than TSA if you ask me).

    • SWP

      Yes they say you have to have medical insurance or they will tax you and take it out of you income.OK whats to keep some one from buying a policy that only pays for band-aids.A policy that only cost 25 dollars a year made up to do just that,be a work around of this tax.What are they then going to do,fine you cause your policy isn’t big enough and the coverage to small.What determines how much you have to spend on a policy??? These a&& hats won’t be satisfied till they get 99 cents of every dollar you earn.And even then they will wish they had that too.Then it will be that every person has to find an extra job so they can tax you some more!!!

  • Ema Nymton


    “You can almost always count on the Supreme Court to do the wrong thing. In fact, just about every major decision by the U.S. Supreme Court over the last 40 years has been bad for America. Many were hoping that the Supreme Court would strike down Obamacare, but the truth is that we all should have known better than to expect them to get something right.”


    You are witnessing the rule of law. (You are making a utterly foolish spectacle of yourself doing the ‘chicken little – the sky is falling’ routine.) Since September 1787 the Constitution has been the supreme law of the land. This is USA, the will of the people, and how the system works. The people’s Congress passed the ACA. The President of USA has signed the ACA bill into law. The Supreme Court of USA has declared the ACA constitutional.

    “… it is hard to have any faith in the U.S. Supreme Court.”

    Get over yourself.

    The crux of the matter is so simple. You have convince yourself that you do not want a safety net for yourself (for reasons known only to the universe). It pi$$es you off to no end to think that there are others who do want a higher quality of life and are willing to pay for it. Add to this, the fact that Mr Obama was able to make such a massive positive change for USA happen; must really make you angry.

    You have forgotten USA is the land of the free, home of the brave? Having a safety under the high-flying trapeze artist does not prevent the artist from being any better or worse than the individual wants to be.

    Ema Nymton

    • Guido

      Just because the SCOTUS is last does not make them right; they’re right only because they’re last.

      People’s Congress? Are you nuts? Soooo, was that the people’s congress when they had to strong arm and bribe congressmen to vote for the bill? Remember the “corn husker kickback?” And if they were acting for the people, should not the congress have read the bill before voting for it? I’m surprised the people’s will was for congress to pass the law so we could find out what was in it. And if it was the people’s congress, shouldn’t they have tried to pass it above board, not trying to sneak it through various legislative means, such as the deemed to be passed trick? Was it the people’s will for congress to push the bill through with no bipartisan support, instead of trying to reach a bipartisan compromise? Meeting to pass it at midnight, was that also the people’s will? And why did they need to ram it through quickly, rather than taking a while to really debate it? Or read it? In a republic, I would think the only way to take care of business would be to really sit down and talk about it. BTW-which members of the people’s congress actually wrote it? Since no one read it, I’m just curious who actually wrote it? When Barry was meeting secretly with Big Pharma and Big Insurance, was that the people’s will, too? I’m just curious, since he stated he was going to be the most open administration ever and he said he would kick the lobbyists out of the white house.

      If you’re going to talk about the Constitution, then show me where the gov’t has any right to control medical care? Cuz’ you can’t find it in their enumerated powers. There is no fedgov power to build safety nets. Since the SCOTUS ruled they had no interstate commerce interest in this, then it would seem to be solely a state issue. I don’t know how the government can tax you for not using a service-it makes no sense.

      In any case, this wasn’t about people paying for a higher quality of life. This was about control and bureaucracy. Take a look at the line and block chart of the ACA some time. It’s a mess. And if this nation really IS the land of the free and home of the brave, then perhaps we could be free to make our own healthcare choices.

      Finally, and fundamentally, polling shows about 60-75% of the population hates this bill. So if the people’s will is so important to you, are you prepared for the people’s congress to kill the bill????


    The Author failed to understand that we have a Government for the last 30 years mired in failure; both political parties are to be blamed. Our present medical system has been broken for decades. Obama care will in time be changed to one of the European health care system that is working.
    “All of the civilized capitalist countries in Western Europe, and Canada have social basic medical care for its citizens except the USA which uses medical care as a free enterprise system to make profit from the sick; one Hospital in America charged a patient in a hospital $25, 00 for a bucket of ice. I am not suggesting Obama care is the ultimate answer but it is a good start.
    The Supreme Court has made a wise decision in not striking Obama care in time it will be refined. Think for one moment all of the politicians in Washington including all of the nine justices on the Supreme Court bench are afforded a Cadillac medical plan at the Tax payers’ expense. It is time for Americans to begin to receive health care benefit for its citizens.
    As to those that voted against Obama care shame on them for they have the most secure jobs and the best medical plan being given to them by the American people.
    Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/”

  • Don Levit

    Calling the payments a tax is incorrect, in my opinion.
    Social Security passed constitutional muster because the contributions were deemed to be taxes, for the general welfare. The contributions went directly to the Treasury’s general fund. And, no citizen could directly tie his contributions to his benefits.
    Here, while the “taxes” may go to the Treasury’s general fund, it is merely a convenient conduit to transfer the money as subsidies for overpriced insurance of the for-profit insurers.
    Yes, the insured benefits , only indirectly, and only after the for-profit insurers take their cut, a cut they would never have received, because the insurance is simply too pricey, thus the need for subsidies.
    Don Levit

  • LM

    Constitutional and liberty issues aside, this boondoggle will necessitate serious rationing. Let’s see if Gary2 et al are still whooping it up in a few years when they are old, ill and in pain and they are denied all treatments with the exception of those that will hasten death. If you progressives think this can’t happen, you’re in for a rude awakening. It can happen and it will happen. Your “victory” won’t feel quite so sweet then.

    • Gary2

      we already have rationing by private insurance companies. I would call 50 million w/o health insurance rationing. Think before you spew such stupidity.

      • Scott

        77 % are happy with their current insurance plan. LOL, when 10 million plus get added to medicaid you don’t think there will be rationing for all at its worst? What a shortsighted, naive statement.

  • VP


  • Widowmaker

    The author is both correct and incorrect because he does not understand the Constitution. He starts with;

    “What we have is a Supreme Court that is dominated by judges that have very little respect for the U.S. Constitution.

    When I was in law school I got to study the Supreme Court pretty closely and I quickly realized that most of the time they simply do whatever they want to do and they make up whatever reasons they can to justify their decisions.”

    First, the author is correct when he says that “they simply do whatever they want to do and they make up whatever reasons they can to justify their decisions.”

    Second, the author is incorrect when he says that “What we have is a Supreme Court that is dominated by judges that have very little respect for the U.S. Constitution.”

    They do in fact respect the Constitution, they do whatever they want to do because it is Constitutionally correct for them to do so, and as they are all attorneys they realize that the Constitution was written by attorneys to make it possible for them to do whatever they want to do in the first place!

    Another writer one,Otto Scott said: “Far from being the ideal document hailed and heralded in a sea of campaign oratory, the Constitution was a lawyer’s contract that claimed no higher law than its managers, who represented themselves as reflecting the will of the people.

    Since such a will was undefined and undefinable, lawyers made up the rules and procedures of government as they went along, within limits that were often ignored, slyly subverted, or poorly guarded.

    In effect, the Founders had recklessly placed the government in the position of what ancient Greeks called a ‘tyrant’ which, in its original sense, meant a rule without divine authority.” Otto Scott

    Patrick Henry said it best when he heard of the Constitutional Convention and neither he, nor John Hancock were invited. He said “I smell a Rat!”

  • Janet

    Take care of your health, people. Start taking vitamins, eat healthy and exercise. Their goal is population reduction. Do NOT take their vaccines.

    I agree with the person above: This country is lost. If I could leave I would.

    God help us.

    • Zoltanne

      Careful about refusing those government-approved vaccines. If you don’t take them, you’ll be taxed.

      “You Must Conform!”

    • HecatesMoon

      Janet, there really isn’t anywhere to go.
      I would add to eat a good dose of fresh garlic every week- at least three cloves. :)
      Hey…Janet, are you the person whose child had psoriasis or eczema and was worried what to do for it?
      I was just reminded of that, for some reason I suddenly thought it might be you, and I don’t know if that person got my comment about the chickweed or not.

  • it is a sad day for the U.S.I pray that obama does not get reelected.I feel that we have had a belly full of his mess.and if he does get elected again,it will not be by the American people,but the BILDERBURGS!!!!!!!he is a very evil man.I did not believe his message on change the first time and I do not believe anything he says. his whole presidency has been based on lies.he does not have Isreals best interest!he is an example of a true failure.the people that voted for him the first time got what they wanted,but did they really get what they wanted!we are truly in a mess.we need you Jesus to come to our rescue,there is no where else to go.

    • Gay Veteran

      the president of the USA should have us Americans’ best interest, NOT Israel’s

  • More right wing spin. Nothing to see here…

  • Listen to the Michael Savage show from 6/28/2012 and tell me he’s a fan of Romney as you insist.


    America is done for. People like Gary will reap all the benefits you and I break our backs for. Stick a fork in it.

    • Gay Veteran

      u listen to Michae Weiner? LOL

  • Gary2

    Hey Michael–are you sure that is not one of your baby pictures at the bottom of the post? You even looked like a conservative way back then. (You know that mean selfish look conservatives seem to perpetually have).

    • Austin_Patriot

      The silver lining in all of this is that when the economy finally collapses, parasites like Gary will be among the first to perish.

    • Gay Veteran

      oh Gary 2, that was wicked ;)

    • La_sha

      Gary you give man kind a bad name

  • thom

    i think its time that my state starts to think about splitting away from the rest of the USA and keep our freedoms. iam 57 and can not believe how we are just letting this leftist goverment take and do as they please. we have to stop this soon

  • choochoo

    Cannot believe what i’m reading here……90% of what is posted here is unbelievable,no facts, educated yourselves, you might really learn what this bill does for people and the costs involved…Quit with the Reds and Blues, this is the underlying problem with this country!! Read before you post, unless you don’t care about the facts,but just want to spew because you’re a republican or a democrat!

  • JStevens

    I don’t see how Romney’ camp cannot turn this, and the sheeple, against Barry. Between Above The Law Holder and No More Taxes Obama, only an imbecile could lose this election. Either way we’re boned but voting Romney may buy us some time. Of course, voting Paul would help a lot more but that’s far too radical. Baaa-aaa-aaa-aaa.

  • marK

    Gary2, you have way too much time on your hands with all of these posts.You need to get another part time job so that you can pay your fair share of the Obamacare tax.

  • SWP

    Now that all the Liberals will be able to get the Meds they are so in dire need of,this Tax will show them their error,now that they are sane from taking their Meds.

  • Not Surprised

    No surprises. 40% of Washington’s budget is thrown on a credit card which maxes out once or twice a year. 25% of this country is going into retirement, 50MM babies have been aborted, and the immigrants are going home. That’s a lot of people who are not paying taxes, interested in buying your house, or shopping retail. The 60’s freaks rule. Obamacare is their last hurrah. They say that when you get older you begin to examine your soul.

  • Tom

    I am happy Obama Care passed because this will just speed up the process of government collapse. I’m tired of living in limbo, lets just hurry up and get it over with already so we can all just go back to being free!

  • Afi K. James

    No Wonder this country is ******** and this bill is a disgrace

    and ******** the left/right bull******, it makes me sick.

  • Gary sucks

    16. It turns valued customers into tax burdens.
    Which would you like to be treated like?

    Government trolls like ‘Gary2’ will be soaking it up, like all the other “free” things people with his mindset like.
    He’s no more then a government aided thief that needs to grow up and take care of himself!

    • Watermelonasha


  • Theif Justice

    Americans are FINALLY beginning to realize that government is corrupt across the board. Glad to see many of you are FINALLY awakening from your slumber.

    WHILE YOU SLEPT, many of your rights and liberties have been stolen and eliminated.

    MUCH more to come unless you get angry….VERY, VERY angry and then actually DO SOMETHING with that anger.

    • sk1951

      It is not corrupt. It is legally correct. We allowed a corporation DC to take over under Lex Fori law. Everything they do is legaly ratified by the supreme court. We are way beyond any ability to save the Republic at this point. Sorry.

  • Bert

    The Louisiana governor has said that he won’t implement obamacare; probably recalls how the feds handled Karina; a real goat rope. Maybe other state governors will grow a pair, stand on the 9th and 10th Amendment even secede if necessary, but minimally tell the globalist usurpers in our government to take a hike.

    • HecatesMoon

      I just settled into this home, but I have wanted to go somewhere new for a long time. I had been thinking about Louisiana. I sure wish I had the money to go.
      A state with a representative that’s willing to put up the middle finger makes it the more appealing.

  • Obamacare will never really happen. The Lord spoke to me very clearly about this sometime in 2008 or 2009. He said, “It will pass, but it won’t have any teeth to it”.

    Here’s a review of my track record which is part of my personal testimony:

    In 1981, at the age of 24, I went to take the SAT test at a high school here in Ft. Worth, TX. There was a very cute young lady there that didn’t feel well because she had spent the night before out drinking with her friends. She told the administrator that she wasn’t feeling well enough to take the test. The administrator walked off for just a minute to attend to something else. During that time I prayed so fervently to the Lord, and I prayed that this very important moment in this girl’s life would not be taken from her. The administrator came back and wanted to confirm with the girl that she wasn’t going to take the test. The girl said she was feeling better now, and she would be able to take the test. She finished the whole test. Back then I think the SAT was about a 3 or 4 hour test.

    In 1989 when I was about 33, I was driving to a Steven Curtis Chapman concert at a place in Euless, TX called Footloose. It was a Christian entertainment type thing that isn’t there anymore. Anyway, I had been praying for a while to the Lord that I might be able to meet a Latina type woman. I know that may sound weird, but I have always been attracted to petite dark-haired or brunette women. Maybe I just felt inferior dating a “normal” white girl. I guess that had something to do with it. Anyway, when I was about 1 mile from Footloose, the Lord spoke to me (not audibly) as clearly as ever and He asked, “You want a Latina girl?” I’m telling you that’s what He said. I arrived at the concert and took a seat towards the back in the middle section before the concert started. I was sitting by myself. Sometime just before the concert started, I noticed there was this really cute petite Latina type girl sitting next to me on my right. I had been sitting by myself, but the place had begun to really fill up. This girl had the whole Latina look with the blue jeans and bright red shoes and dark hair, etc. She was about 5’1″ tall and probably weighed about 100 lbs. I talked to her off and on during the concert. She was from Nicaragua and her family had just came to the United States during the Contra freedom fighter thing that was happening in Nicaragua during the Reagan Presidency. She thought she didn’t speak good English, but she really spoke good English. She was an adorable girl. She was 21 years old. During the concert this girl kept bumping into me too which I thought was unusual. I know you may think this is funny, but it’s true. When the concert was over I stayed in my seat for a while because I wanted to wait for the crowd to die down before I left, and I also wanted to buy a couple albums. This girl got up to leave with the people she came with. As she was waiting in the line to get out the door, she kept looking over at me like, “you moron aren’t you even going to ask me for my phone number?” Unfortunately I had on my mind what I was going to do in Dallas after I left the concert which was not good. It wasn’t until a while afterward that I actually realized what had happened and what the Lord spoke to me just before I got to the concert that night. The thing is, I wanted to do things my way (illicit) by going to Dallas instead of the Lord’s way which was to start a relationship with this beautiful girl I had met at this concert. She was what I had requested (physically anyway) in prayer, but I was too stupid or whatever to trust the Lord in this situation. I wanted to handle things my way.

    Around 1990, I told a 28 year old female friend of mine that if she was really ready to be married, I could have her married in 6 months. She met a guy at a Bible study neither one of them were even planning to go to, and about 6 months later they were married.

    In 1995 I was sitting in the back of Calvary Cathedral International church in downtown Ft. Worth, and I prayed as earnestly as ever, “Lord I wish a tornado would come through here and destroy all this”. I prayed that because I believed that the “laughter movement” from when Rodney Howard-Brown was there 3 years ago had just gotten out of control. I don’t question however that it was a very real movement of God and a blessing to the church. Also, the acoustics in that round building were horrible because of so much reverberation. Well, five years later that is what happened. A tornado touched down and stayed over the church for 2.5 minutes. The building was destroyed, but not a single person was hurt. The church was fully staffed at the time. They bought another church about 3 miles away that used to be Midtown Church of Christ.

    In 2000, I was at a Wendy’s restaurant in Bellevue, WA. There was much political debate at work about the next president. As I sat there in Oct/2000 with my absentee ballot, I voted for Pat Buchanan which I was planning to do all along. The Lord spoke to me in the most poignant way ever, and He asked, “Are you sure you really want to do that”? Then He showed me that this race would be so tight and so close that we wouldn’t know who the next president would be for days and possibly weeks or months. I wasn’t exactly sure how long the Lord was telling me this would go on–just that as time went on it would become more clear who would win. It was more clear than an audible voice. This is when Bush barely won Florida by about 1,500 votes. It went on for days or weeks about who would be the winner.

    In 2001 or 2002 I was about 46 I guess. I had gone for almost a year without the illicit activity in my life. I thought that I was over it, but I still had a problem with internet porn. I went to a TCU football game in Ft. Worth, TX near the time of Thanksgiving. I prayed for a while before I went to the game, and I was praying that the Lord would deliver me from going to the strip places in Ft. Worth where there were drugs and prostitution. As I was praying the Lord spoke to me just as clearly as he had the first time about meeting the Latina girl at Footloose, and He said, “There is someone at the game I want you to meet”. I didn’t know what to think of this, but I didn’t think I had my act together enough to start a relationship. I went to the game. It was a night game and due to being near the holidays there weren’t quite as many people there. TCU was winning and they upset #17 ranked Louisville at that game. There was this girl I had noticed there that was so attractive to me. She was the type of girl that I had told the Lord I would like to have as a wife. Again, I’m talking physical attraction here. You know how shallow us guys are about this. Anyway, this girl was “hot” to use the modern term. At least she was to me, and I thought I wish I could meet somebody like her. I thought for sure this girl had to be married. I never more than glanced at her, and she never saw me looking at her. With about 2 minutes left in the game I moved down to a completely different section of stands near the 10 yard line. I did this because I was making my way out of the stadium and wanted to beat the crowd out a little bit. I was about 4 or 5 rows back in this section of stands and there was NOBODY in this entire section of stands except me. All of the sudden this girl that I had noticed walks down and stands right next to me!! I looked at her, and she kind of awkwardly looked away out of embarrassment I guess. Now, my mind is racing. This time I realize that I am right in the middle of what the Lord told me was going to happen. But I begin to justify in my mind why I can’t have a relationship with this girl. I’m not enough this or that or the other thing. I never opened my mouth and after about a minute or two of her standing there, she went back to hang out with the people she came to the game with. I didn’t talk to her because I can’t talk to women. I have no problem with that or making conversation, etc. I guess I just couldn’t believe that a girl as attractive as this girl was would really like me if she knew who I really was. So guess what? After the game was over I went to the seedy section of Ft. Worth like clockwork.

    In 2002 when the snipers were out in Washington, DC a few years ago, I simply went to the Lord in prayer and I asked the Lord if He would reveal to me who was doing the killing. The Lord spoke to me, and He said, “It’s 2 black guys from the Tacoma, WA area and one is a lot older than the other, but they are both under 40”. The Lord also showed that the name of one was “Malvo”, but I wasn’t sure if that was the first name or last name. That’s what the Lord said. I thought about going to the FBI, but since I had this sin problem in my life I was always shy about telling people things the Lord revealed to me. I was afraid I had missed God and would make myself look foolish.

    In 2008 or 2009, a couple of years ago before they even took the first vote in the Senate on Obama’s health care bill, the Lord spoke to me about it, and he said, “It will pass, but there won’t be any teeth to it”. The Lord was saying it would pass, but it wouldn’t be enforceable. It failed to get 60 votes in the Senate, and then the democrats lowered the bar for it to pass with 50 votes.

    • Gary2

      dude–I think you need to avail yourself of the mental health care provision in Obamacare.

  • Peppy Preppy

    Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, Pride, & Lust… The new Bill of Right!

    • Gary2

      sounds like a conservative “To Do” list

  • Robert Larson

    The rhetoric is pretty overheated in this article; “mind blowing disaster.” Is the sky really falling? Item #8 says that “small businesses…will be absolutely crushed”, but in fact the article it links to is entitled “Retailers Dismayed…”. A little difference there both between “small businesses” and “retailers” and between “absolutely crushed” and “dismayed”. In fact the article mostly brings up aspects of the law that could stand to be improved, many of which liberals and reasonable conservatives might agree on. This law was a crummy compromise, but something needed to be done. Live with it or improve it. Don’t freak out.

    • Allen

      Very rational statement. I agree. No one said the law was perfect but republicans who can’t compromise on a darn thing would rather repeal it and all the good things in it rather than work to improve it.

  • SWP

    @Gary2 for Gary2
    All over America, small business owners are saying that they are going to have to let some workers go because they cannot afford to keep them all under Obamacare. It would be hard to imagine a more job killing law than Obamacare, and now that the Supreme Court decision has finally been announced we are going to see many businesses making some really hard decisions.

    Wonder how you will feel about Obamacare if and when the job you have goes bye bye cause your employer has to lay off employees,(to afford health care for the other employees) and you are one of them.

    • Troy Johnson

      you nailed it right on the head, or they will only hire part time employees and keep them under the number of hours

  • Washington76

    Jun 28, 2012 by BenSwannRealityCheck Ben Swann Reality Check breaks down the Affordable Care Act ruling by the Supreme Court and looks at why the determination that the law is a tax, may make it invalid!


  • Now do you belive he’s the Anti-christ

    • bob

      hell yeaaa

  • Laura Borst

    I read that the Obama”care” bill would also increase funding for various mental “health care” screenings. Some of these will be developmental screenings in children. Many of these could be downright intrusive and likely entail violations of the Fourth Amendment. Some of these could involve home visits by social workers to check to see if children’s families are providing the “right” kind of developmental environment. This could be extremely intrusive.

  • A concerned young AmeriCan Patriot

    Gary, I constantly see you proclaiming that this is equalized healthcare for all, but yet, did you know that in the bill certain treatments for certain people, regardless of whether they have the money or not to spend on said treatments, will be denied? Certain treatments, like radiation cancer treatments for one are supposed to be severely limited once this bill comes into effect. You constantly tell us to read the bill itself, yet all you do is read what you want to, yes some people who could not afford healthcare will get it that didn’t have it before (might I add a large percentage of this population will be illegals, who should be deported for illegally entering this country, instead of rewarded by both parties in a hope for falsely-registered votes); Many more will die because of the limitations on the treatments. Not to mention the fact that many doctors didn’t agree with this, and might leave the profession once it is implemented. This will lead to a worsening shortage of doctors, which IS BAD for everybody. Also, more lawyers will come around, and be looking for every way to exploit any loophole in the law they can for their client, and themselves. So please, read the whole thing, including the unpleasentries. (Not just what fits your purpose).
    -Young Patriot

  • Seen

    “You can almost always count on the Supreme Court to do the wrong thing.”

    Admittedly, I was hopeful that the US Supreme Court would strike ACA ‘Obamacare’ down. While this may be naive on my behalf, I was banking on; the Supreme Court possessed enough integrity and principle to strike it down. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court had other ideas, and it effectively proved all three branches of government is run by Communitarian politicians. As I understand it, Communitarians are ideologically derived by both popular forms of national socialist forms of governance fascism (Corporatism) and communism who strongly advocate Crony Capitalism, which as I also understand it is an economic merger of Capitalism (which to my understanding of Capitalism is a falsehood), Fascism, and Communism. Effectively, the major difference from Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s USSR/Mao’s China is the public-private partnership centered around either Corporations or otherwise Big Industries or Big Unions. What Communitarians advocate is a public-private partnership centering around both camps of Big Industries and Big Unions. Effectively, ‘Obamacare’s’ anti-free market and small business prospective as well as strong support to and from Big Industries and Big Unions enables the government to ensure its fiefdoms of Big Industries and Big Unions particularly Big Industries and Big Unions whose nature is supranational aka globalist.

    “#1 According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the federal government has the power to force you to buy private goods and services. Now that this door has been opened, what else will we be forced to buy in the future?”

    Well, I’d think that the next phase here is to require people to purchase items and behavior advocated for your own good and for the good of the planet as well as the economy.
    A). Green Energy, infrastructure, and transportation become required. This sparks governmental coercive growth within the green industry. This very likely increases under the directive to enhance demand for public transportation. I forget the name of the forum something to the effect of the future forum that featured ‘Venus Project’ style Metropolis’s where resources are controlled by Cybernation through cities on the move and etc in which forces enhanced Urbanization and strengthened and enhanced Metropolis densities.
    B). Opens the door to governmental mandated health consumption, exercise, and etc as a matter of controlling and ‘reducing cost’ for Over-Weight related illnesses.
    C). As sort of a 3-pronged assault, this also opens the door to solidify the fiefdoms:
    1). As a matter of economic stability, you must conduct your banking through Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, and etc.
    2). You must enhance your debt load through credit lines from not only the institutions above, but you will eventually be forced to work, buy, and sell within one of these governmental fiefdom industries. If I recall, the US had this system, but I forget the years off hand in which the place you worked for was also where you conducted your buying/selling and etc.
    3). These institutions will also be required to hire and employees will be expected to be Unionized.
    The end result is effectively a public-private partnership conducting economic activity in a cashless society.

    “#5 In an attempt to “control costs” and “promote efficiency”, Obamacare limits the treatment options that doctors and patients can consider. This is likely to result in a decrease in life expectancy in the United States.”

    Oh, it’s not just a resultant decline in life expectancy and standard of living; it’s also effectively a backdoor Euthanasia. The next phase would likely be through enhancing quality of life technocrats and implementation of sort of a Euthanasia pill aka legalized suicide and assisted suicide as well as enhanced abortions would likely be followed up particularly through the use of gene therapy and gene mapping, but this would probably be followed or preceded or coupled with enhancing various pseudo mental illnesses like per say resistance to authority or specifically people in positions of authority to be bared privileges or formerly rights.

    “#6 Obamacare is going to impose nightmarish paperwork burdens on doctors, hospitals and the rest of the healthcare system. This is going to significantly increase our healthcare costs as a nation.”

    This enhances number 6 and further advocates euthanasia and abortion as economic and financial incentives to cut cost. In hindsight, this further compounds upon articles like “How to Die” and etc, which plainly advocates seeking justification to encourage effectively culling the population as well as creating more able bodies for times of international interventionism (I predict that the draft will be re-implemented in the future following the expectant decline in obesity).

    “#7 Obamacare is going to send health insurance premiums soaring. This is especially true for younger Americans.”

    Naturally, the younger generations of Americans won’t have the experience with the civil rights that the older generations possessed; therefore, the general core assessment much like mythology/philosophy amounts to ‘if you never imagined a chair, how would you envision building the perfect chair’. In short, since the younger generation wouldn’t possess the knowledge and experience of civil rights, they would be abstractly less drawn to challenging people who possess positions of authority, which is why it’d be important to said central government to deeply limit the privileges granted to people with inquisitive, rebellious, and etc personality traits either through medically chemical inducement like per say Prozac and etc. I think that the term is conditioning, so people are less likely to per say remove tyrannical government or otherwise resist. Or to be blunt, the populace would be less likely to pursue violent rather than non-violent resistance to a government who possesses no qualm implementing violence against those who resist (OWS would be the most recent example that I can think of; considering, the Department of Homeland Security seemed to have coordinated the crackdown on Occupy Wall Street protestors. While I’ve heard people refer to that crackdown as pansified compared to China, North Korea, and etc, the fact of the matter is such crackdowns worsen as the populace considers such crackdowns as justifiable actions to prevent a riot and etc. Think about it, if you cannot petition your government for grievances, your government ignores the people, does not act in representation of the populace as a whole in accordance to the guidelines of the rights, liberties, and freedoms under oath aka social contract, and instead views their elected position as consent to rule you is it truly a democracy, republic, or any form of government in which won’t use increasingly more brutal crackdowns against resisters of said government?

    “#9 Obamacare is going to make the emerging doctor shortage in America a lot worse.”

    Effectively enhances end of life benefits and pursuits don’t it?

    “#14 As if the U.S. government was not facing enough of a crisis with entitlement spending, it is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls. You and I will be paying for all of this.”

    If I recall correctly, didn’t the Supreme Court rule this to be unconstitutional, but the past precedent indicates this ruling will ultimately be ignored anyhow much like the indefinite detention provision in which the Federal statement amounted to only privy to those involved in the court.

  • mondobeyondo

    I do not have health care coverage.
    Ever since I lost my job in June of 2009, I have not had health care coverage.
    I could probably afford health care coverage.
    (Emphasis: PROBABLY!!)
    But at something like $1500/month, is it worth it?
    I mean, signing up for Blue Cross/Blue Shield, or Save the Dolphins, or Aetna, or whatever?
    Yeah, I suppose so. Heart attacks are very costly.
    I dunno. Guess I’ll roll the dice, spin the roulette wheel and take my chances.
    $1450.00 on red, number 19. Aww, lost! Darn! [incoherent screaming from my throat]
    Oh well, and there goes the $500 for the hospital co-pay. You can’t win ’em all!
    Such is life. The good news is – I’M NOT DEAD YET! Hehehehehhhh.

    • Rob Levy

      You will be soon, brother.

      • Me

        What a F*cked up comment

  • Cleo

    Obamacare is all about eugenics….denying healthcare to the older Americans and aborting deficient fetuses, both mentally and physically deficient. Over population is killing “Mother Earth” you know, so the means justify the end. Maybe we should call Obamacare Agenda 22?

    • And, about deconstructing this nation,,

    • Rob Levy

      Oh, good.. you lefties ruined this country that much more… I’m so glad you are here.

  • Randome-11

    Obamacare? You might as well call it Romneycare, Romney have really no disagreement with the whole thing, he is just trying to get votes.

    • Jerry

      Romney did it on a state level because the sheeple of Taxachusetts wanted it. As he says, imposing healthcare on the federal level is a whole other ballgame. In November vote for anyone with an “R” next to his name because we need this albatross repealed!!!!!

  • libertarian-nut-job

    To anyone who has actually been brainwashed into believing this bill is a good thing:

    First of all, did you read it or do you even know what’s in it? Pray tell, if we are a debt-based society, and CBO estimates this will add well OVER a trillion in addition debt (some estimates have it closer to $1.7 trillion) in 10 years, where will we get the money when we’re already BROKE? Additionally, how are we to believe that the same entity (i.e. the gubment) that can’t run a post office, social security, medicare, etc, are going to be equipped and competent enough to run health care for 300 million people?

    You all are glaring indictments of why this country is going down in flames. You probably think that recent Posse Comitatus violations that include our military training on PUBLIC streets is a good thing too right? Hmm, they couldn’t be conditioning you into accepting a martial law-like presence in your own back yard, could they?

    WAKE UP!

  • libertarian-nut-job

    With today’s Supreme Court ruling that The Affordable Care Act is constitutional it is now unquestionably time for those members of congress representing Conservative Americans to write and pass a law requiring all American Citizens over the age of 18 to purchase or show proof of ownership of a firearm or suffer a massive tax penalty.

    The SCOTUS ruled that the Commerce clause could not be used to require citizens to purchase health insurance, but that congress as so accorded in the United States Constitution could levee a tax against any citizen that did not engage in a financial transaction that was deemed by congress as necessary and proper.

    Unlike healthcare which cannot be found mentioned in any place in the United States Constitution, the ownership of a firearm is not only explicitly enumerated in the 2nd amendment as a right, it is likewise implicitly implied by the 2nd amendment as a responsibility.

    Amendment II

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    The only question involved here, is, are there any members of the GOP Aristocracy willing to side with the people of the United States against the United States Federal Government. In light of the recent and growing coverage of the Obama Administrations “Operation Fast and Furious” scandal, under which the Obama Justice Department intentionally provided firearms to Mexican Narcotics Cartel members for the specific purpose of being used in violent acts so that they could gin up statistics and provide a justification for stricter firearms regulations.

    Just such legislation requiring a penalty tax be imposed upon every citizen over the age of 18 who fails to purchase or prove ownership of a firearm would provide a unique juxtaposition of moral and ethical values between the American people and the Obama administration. Since the SCOTUS ruling on ACA states that the Commerce Clause cannot be employed to coerce individuals to engage in financial transaction as dictated by Congress, but that punitory taxation can be employed the Democrat Administration of Barack Obama would be placed in a odious position of defending why the Affordable Care Act is good and acceptable legislation while a nearly identically worded Affordable Firearms Act legislation would not be.

    Let us then in that case see how the ruling on the Affordable Care Act stands up when worded thusly.

    See §5000A(b). That, according to the Government, means the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition—not owning health insurance A Firearm—that triggers a tax—the required payment to the IRS. Under that theory, the mandate is not a legal command to buy insurance a Firearm. Rather, it makes going without insurance a Firearm just another thing the Government taxes, like buying gasoline or earn-ing income.

  • mtsaint

    It is a fact that Romney flip-flops on every issue, depending on which side has the most votes. After all, he is the rider on the White Horse (Joseph Smith’s prophecy) and he will save us from the mess he started several years ago (Romneycare and same-sex marriages).

  • All I know is that the health care system IS a mess! But expecting our Government to take it over and fix it is WAY too foolish! ANYONE who thinks this is going to cure it is CRAZY!! You tell me ONE government program that has worked or is currently working!!!If it isnt a mess it is broke or they are in the process of promising to fix it! They couldnt run a lemonade stand without messing it up some how!!!! Fools,each and everyone of them!!

    • Ben

      I can list 26: Russia, New Zealand, UK, Sweden, Iceland, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Japan, Saskatchewan, Canada, Australia, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Spain, South Korea, Taiwan, Israel, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Switzerland

    • sk1951

      Actually they arrest kids for running lemonade stands now.

  • helen

    Such hatred from all you angry people are not conscious consumers, but perpetuators of the split in our country.. there are two sides to every story.. I just got back a rebate from my health insurance under Obamacare, since I didnt use it much.. I rather buy your great living products but WITHOUT THE HATRED!!!

    • When my nation is being destroyed by a bunch of parasites and traitors, it would be irrational for me to be indifferent.

  • Andrew

    let the Hunger Games begin…

  • Suhas Hoysala

    1) The SCOTUS ruled specifically that the part of the bill that forces govt. to make people pay for something is unconstitutional. The govt. can, however, impose taxes on things that people refuse to do/won’t affect them, such as staying single/paying for gas.

    2) Individual liberty? The very system that gives us the right to our own healthcare AS LONG AS WE CAN PAY FOR IT chokes those who are ineligible to buy it.

    3) The IRS will “hunt down” those who WON’T buy healthcare, not those who CAN’T.

    4) I don’t want to pay taxes. But I do want to keep prices low. Medicare and Medicaid will cost billions, hell, trillions for our kids and grandkids due to high levels of inflation. Think about it, people, the greater number of retirees, the more our economy is burdened. Obamacare will curb these costs by REDUCING spending on these programs, and by completely reforming the system.

    5) *Ahem* Obamacare will REDUCE the number of people that are INELIGIBLE for treatment options. Your statement CONTRADICTS the premise of your argument, that MORE people will get insurance.

    6) Yes, employers will now have to get their employees eligible for healthcare. But these employees are on ONE comprehensive health plan. Sure, a few specifics here and there, but this is hardly a burden.

    7) Read #4. Obamacare will NOT send prices soaring. Obamacare will cut back on these prices.

    8) Small businesses that have less than 50 people employed FULL-TIME will NOT be covered. In the case of franchises like Pizza-Hut, the franchise will be affected, yes. But each Pizza-Hut store will be minimally affected.

    9) I hardly think that a doctor earning $600K a year will quit his job because he is now being paid $400K. Poor doctors.

    10) This is because these hospitals were insolvent. They were paying more on treating those that could not afford healthcare for the simple reason that they can’t turn down patients. Under Obamacare, each and every patient is covered, and the hospital itself will not be financially responsible for providing care.

    11) Big government. Huge bureaucracy. Luckily, we don’t see these in the military, and we especially don’t see irresponsible leaders in the military almost giving away confidential information to their mistresses *cough* Patraeus *cough*. I’m saying that if the US could keep an efficient military for 236 years, we sure as hell can cover a majority of our population.

    12) Listen. Obamacare is NOT A SINGLE-PAYER SYSTEM. If you are currently covered by a health system (in Western PA I’m covered by Highmark), you will NOT experience radical changes in doctor and patient care. You will be almost completely unaffected, unless you require a specialist.

    13) Death panels. I love Sarah Palin’s little argument. Obamacare will not legalize euthanasia, for that is only legal in Washington and Oregon. Obamacare will not let people get medication without prescription, either.

    14) Obamacare is taking $716 billion OUT OF MEDICARE. Obamacare is reforming the system so that our economy will not be devastated by rising healthcare costs.

    15) The CBO said that Obamacare will REDUCE THE DEFICIT. This means that the government will spend LESS IN THE LONG RUN because healthcare prices will come back down. Way to take numbers out of context.

    In conclusion, Obamacare is the best thing that can happen to America. No religious bullshit, no fascist/socialist conspiracy theories, just plain facts. Obamacare will reduce our deficit, make sure that our relentless spending on goodies such as Medicare and Medicaid will decrease, and make sure that most people are covered. Higher taxes? Yes. But if you consider how much our healthcare costs are rising, we need higher taxes. Take an economics course to see how costs are curbed through increased government spending.

    • Sha nay nay

      Obviously you’d benefit from Obamacare

      • Rob Levy

        You’re the biggest dipshit ever… of course you don’t wan’t to pay taxes… you’re a lefty that wants to keep that money, while letting others keep paying other’s money.

        • RodgerMitchell

          Another, well-considered comment based on logic. I’m impressed.

        • Ben

          Why should being poor mean you shouldn’t receive healthcare? Why is being a lefty bad?

      • sk1951

        He works as a paid troll.

    • Troy Johnson

      if you really think all your points make any sense you stupid.

      • RodgerMitchell

        Really, well thought out comment, based on logic. You must be an expert.

    • Kenny Kangas

      right on

    • sk1951

      Spoken like a true socialist constitutional Republic hater. Thanks for the laugh.

  • cometakethem22

    i read on a story from alex jones the other day saying they can ask patients to supply the names of known gun owners, and/or the serial number to said guns, and if they dont they can be denied healthcare. i know not everything you hear is true, but this story has supplied facts as well as a video of that same question being asked to a represenative of obama, and he refused to answer, so it sounds alot to me like its just another way for obama to steal our constitutional rights from us. so NOOO obamacare!!!

  • lets get rid of this obamanation and install a new government that remember the power of the people!


  • julia_disqus

    Just one question: how does it provide healthcare to everybody by collecting tax penalties, not giving healthcare?

  • Eric Swolley

    Taxing the rich, will increase unemployment, it is the rich that employ most of us, and increasing their taxes will have them terminating jobs in order to keep profit flows. Its basic economics.
    This bill will increase unemployment and will further the gap between the rich and the poor. All of those large companies that employ millions, will lay people off to offset the increase in taxes, which will worsen the unemployment rate and increase the number of poor in society, while not actually effecting the rich.
    Lowering taxes on the Rich is a better way to improve the situation as they tend to higher more employees when taxes are low in the hopes that they can improve productivity and therefore profits, which means more people employed and more consumers to buy.
    Equality in this country has always been about equal OPPORTUNITY, not socialist equality, the conservatives tend to want opportunity to remain equal as it allows philanthropists to become wealthy from nothing through hard work. A good example is someone like Steve Jobs, while he wasn’t poor by any means, he wasn’t filthy rich until he decided to start his own corporation with Wozniac, which at first still didn’t make them rich, but it gave them the foundation which did after years of hard work.
    Socialism is the opposite end of the spectrum, where a McDonalds employee would be making as much as a Doctor, but honestly, does that unskilled worker at McDonalds deserve to make as much as the Doctor? Where is the incentive to gain skill in a trade if I can make as much at easy unskilled labor jobs?
    If you continue to vote for socialist measures like this, the country, and the world will be worse off, as it will create more and more drain on society, more unemployed, and fewer skilled laborers as there will be no incentives to improve, and by the time it gets bad enough that the population realizes the problem(assuming they ever do), it will be too late to solve it.

  • Tee Tee
  • kathy koch

    You got me at IRS!!! Are you kidding me anyone who thinks that this is good idea for our government/IRS to manage this system. This is frightening!

  • Lawrence H.

    the worst bill I’ve ever heard

  • J R Williams MD

    As a physician my choices are already blocked and controlled by private insurance companies and the corporate health care instituions. I am also suffering financially because I am obligated to treat uninsured hospitalized patients without reimbursement. I see Obama Care as an opportunity for everyone to receive healthcare and for the people providing that care to be fairly compensated. As for the doctor patient relationship, that was declared obsolete by the healthcare insurers 20 years ago. I see this new system as a chance to improve my ability to care for patients. I wish this much rebellion could a have been in force for the “No Child Left Behind Act” which has handcuffed teachers and education. I am not sure we always know what to be afraid of.

  • Jim

    I have spent 10 years yelling about this day. I read the federal laws and rights for every citizen. The public was more interested in the Iraq war than in C-span watching the Bush admin working deviously behind the scenes. More interested in instant gratification than future chaos.

    Well It has arrived and I am not happy!! The American public continued to tell me I was a crazy nut. I had a financial plan that would have rebuilt the economy all along but now it is tooo late to use because of the negativity of the public to keep me down in the streets. Soon many crazy nuts are going to apear because of this healthcare problem. Eugenics is their future. You are now going to be controlled like a slave or shut down for coffin through a push of a button.

  • Kenny Kangas

    I’d be more concerned by government subsidies and insidious nature of our military industrial complex than healthcare since they will be a hundered fold the burden of “ObamaCare”. Maybe some of you will realize that this good thing is being demonized by those who interest it doesn’t serve. Propagandizing the logistics and implications of Affordable Care is easy and the flood of reception to such rhetoric is evidence of effect. Doctors who quit because they may be required to work full 40 hour schedules like everyone else are selfish and immature in their reaction, that concept is fairly elementary, it’s not what you’d expect from our best and brightest.

  • Jason

    The reason why people are being fined for not getting healthcare is because if they don’t pay, there own bill goes into other people who go to get treatment, they have to pay the other’s bill.

  • Doc

    Can someone explain to me how this is going to raise the national debt, I don’t see how it would and I could really use someone who knows what they are talking about.

  • sk1951

    Lex Fori law rules the day (for the court). The courts are corporation employes of DC City incorporation. The new social experiment of corporate law has negated constitutional law as void. We have ratified this by silent consent.

  • fear mongerer

    the fear mongering youre using is ridiculous. youre claims are dubious at best. Like you’re more qualified than anyone in the supreme court. obamacare will cause life expectancy to go down? really, this is fear mongering conservative propaganda. please build you house under an iceberg and continue to deny climate change as it slowly crushes you